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[10:34] <davmor2> xivulon: ping
[10:37] <davmor2> xivulon: wubi is suffering from this bug too but other than that and the cd reporting it's wrong everything seems to be okay :) https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/261073
[10:41] <davmor2> cjwatson: why does the installer say "An attempt to configure apt to install additional packages from CD failed."  I have a niggling feeling it may be landscape-client still but could be wrong.  Where is the best place to look?
[10:41] <persia> davmor2: At what point did you get that?  Which package didn't install?  Is there anything useful in the install logs?
[10:42] <xivulon> davmor2 could you give a second look to 204133
[10:43] <xivulon> mounting ntfs with -o syncio and copy a large file to it
[10:43] <davmor2> persia: installer says scanning the mirror which log will be most likely to show it up?
[10:43] <xivulon> last time I tried performance was crap
[10:43] <davmor2> xivulon: two ticks
[10:44] <xivulon> also if that work it would be nice to try syncio in wubi
[10:44] <persia> davmor2: Hrm.  The bottom of /target/var/log/dpkg.log ought have something, but there may be other more sensible places to discover it.
[10:45] <xivulon> to do so delete/deactivate /etc/init.d/lupin-sysctl and add ROOTFLAGS=syncio to the boot arguments
[10:47] <xivulon> cjwatson, evand I have also almost finished with the wubi python code rewrite, to the point where it almost works
[10:48] <xivulon> still have some bugs to fix with the freezing, some smaller WinUI fixes (transparency + tabstops), add translations, and code clean-up
[10:49] <cjwatson> davmor2: err, what bug number is this related to? logs?
[10:49] <xivulon> new branch is here: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/wubi/intrepid.python
[10:49] <cjwatson> as ever, the installer syslog should have it. I don't think dpkg.log will be useful
[10:49] <cjwatson> (apt-get update type operations don't show up in sources.list at all)
[10:50] <cjwatson> xivulon: ok, we've passed the point where it could be accepted for intrepid though I'm afraid
[10:50] <cjwatson> last I heard you were suggesting jaunty instead yourself
[10:50] <xivulon> yep I was aware of that, and I would agree
[10:51] <cjwatson> ok, just responding to the branch name :)
[10:53] <xivulon> sorry I was late, but was really busy for me these past months (if you read financial news you'll see why), anyway hopefully the new code base would be easier to maintain
[10:54] <davmor2> cjwatson: there is some stuff in syslog I'll see if there is a bug if not I'll open one and post it up for you
[10:56] <cjwatson> I mean, specifically, that error means that 'apt-cdrom add' exited non-zero or that 'apt-cdrom ident' produced no output
[10:56] <cjwatson> davmor2: what sort of installation was this? wubi?
[10:57] <cjwatson> hmm, I suppose wubi loop-mounts /cdrom
[10:57] <davmor2> wubi but it happens on normal too and you get similar result on other versions.  But you just click okay and the install carries on
[10:57] <cjwatson> you *sure* it happens on normal installations? the cause would have to be completely different
[10:58] <davmor2> cjwatson: would you like me to do a normal install and post both syslog results to the same bug?
[10:58] <cjwatson> no, I'm doing one now
[10:59] <davmor2> cjwatson: it happens right near the end of the package install section
[10:59] <xivulon> I can confirm I have the same issue in wubi, haven't tried on regular installations, yes in wubi the ISO is mounted as /cdrom
[10:59] <davmor2> writing bug now
[11:00] <davmor2> cjwatson: I just thought it was the work round for landscape-client and didn't think that much to it so then thought I'd better ask
[11:00] <cjwatson> no, it isn't
[11:01] <cjwatson> right near the end of which package install section? there are two major phases when lots of packages are installed
[11:01] <cjwatson> this is definitely unrelated to landscape-client
[11:02] <davmor2> cjwatson:  scanning the mirror that is what the installer says behind the message box
[11:02] <cjwatson> ok, so that's apt-setup as expected
[11:03] <ganes> i booted through casper but its not detecting the other partitioon
[11:03] <ganes> cjwatson, i booted through casper but its not detecting the other partitioon
[11:04] <cjwatson> ganes: is this your modified version of Ubuntu?
[11:04] <ganes> cjwatson, yeah
[11:04] <ganes> cjwatson, is there any relation with the kernel
[11:06] <cjwatson> sigh, sory
[11:06] <cjwatson> ganes: does unmodified Ubuntu work?
[11:06] <cjwatson> (s/sory/sorry/)
[11:09] <cjwatson> davmor2: I can't reproduce this with a normal alternate CD install
[11:09] <cjwatson> which is good since that means I think I understand the problem ;-)
[11:09] <davmor2> needs to be via ubiquity
[11:11] <cjwatson> ah
[11:11] <cjwatson> well that's odd too since I thought I'd fixed that in ubiquity 1.9.12
[11:12] <cjwatson> definitely happening with current desktop images?
[11:12] <davmor2> 17.1
[11:12] <cjwatson> (I have to go out for a bit, back in <1hr)
[11:12] <davmor2> bug 271693 for syslog
[11:13] <davmor2> I only got onto live cd's late last night
[11:42] <davmor2> xivulon: I'll try out that test you want after testing is out of the way need to get alpha 6 out then I'll have some time again is that okay
[11:43] <davmor2> cjwatson: when you get back bug 271693 is present on the latest Kubuntu live cds too
[11:53] <xivulon> davmor2 that's fine, thanks a lot.
[11:55] <cjwatson> davmor2: ok, thanks. You said "wubi" in the bug; does that mean these tests are via wubi or not?
[11:55] <cjwatson> Sep 18 09:39:08 ubuntu ubiquity: /usr/lib/ubiquity/apt-setup/generators/40cdrom: 77:
[11:55] <cjwatson> Sep 18 09:39:08 ubuntu ubiquity: --pass-stdout: not found
[11:55] <cjwatson> hmm, that can't be helping
[11:55] <davmor2> cjwatson: kubuntu is a standard live install
[11:56] <cjwatson> ok
[11:56] <ganes> cjwatson, sorry for late reply ., yeah that is working
[11:57] <cjwatson> ganes: OK, then I'm afraid you have to sort it out yourself by applying divide-and-conquer to the changes you've made. We cannot help you.
[11:58] <cjwatson> davmor2: I suspect the fix is http://paste.ubuntu.com/47997/ to ubiquity but will have to test to make sure
[11:59]  * davmor2 fears respins on all live cds :(
[12:00] <cjwatson> the underlying bug there is http://paste.ubuntu.com/47998/ to apt-setup; I'll commit that upstream though, we don't particularly need it in Ubuntu immediately if ubiquity is fixed anyway
[12:00]  * davmor2 hugs cjwatson
[12:01] <davmor2> ara: on testing has just confirmed it on i386 ubuntu install
[12:02] <cjwatson> ok, just need to reproduce it myself so I can confirm my fix works
[12:19] <cjwatson> urgh, I need to sync down a newer build first. I wish everything didn't take so long
[12:20] <davmor2> cjwatson: I wish installs only took a couple of minutes, but we can't have everything we want now can we :(
[12:29] <davmor2> cjwatson: just had it confirmed too that kubuntu ubiquity does exit properly you're left with the last (click to install) page if you try closing it it says exit installation
[12:29] <cjwatson> there was a bug about that already
[12:30] <davmor2> cjwatson: I'll try tracking it down
[12:30] <cjwatson> 270423
[12:31] <davmor2> cjwatson: that's the one :)
[13:40] <cjwatson> ok, this seems to be working better now
[13:46] <CIA-50> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2831 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.9.17
[13:52] <CIA-50> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2832 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/apt-setup):
[13:52] <CIA-50> ubiquity: Call apt-setup with --log-output, since it breaks otherwise as of
[13:52] <CIA-50> ubiquity: apt-setup 1:0.36 (LP: #271693).
[14:03] <persia> cjwatson: Is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs04.html#preseed-partman the right place to start from to construct a proper preseed file for partman?
[14:05] <evand> persia: you should use our documentation as we diverge from d-i in areas.
[14:06] <cjwatson> WHS; use the installation-guide-i386 package
[14:07] <persia> OK.  Thanks.
[14:08] <cjwatson> or, well, installation-guide-lpia perhaps ;)
[14:09] <persia> heh.  Yeah.  I do hope to make Ubuntu MID work for other architectures at some point, but it's not going to happen for intrepid.
[14:10] <persia> I think Ubuntu Mobile is going to be i386 and lpia for intrepid, but that doesn't need nearly as much preseeding, as it uses GDM.
[14:46] <xivulon> evand bumping 258045 :)
[14:48] <evand> 04:26:49 <katkin> my head hurts :(
[14:48] <evand> 09:02:17 <evand> aww
[14:48] <evand> 09:03:26 <evand> I have just the thing for that.  Ibuprofen and kisses.
[14:48] <evand> whoops
[14:48] <evand> how embarrasing
[14:58] <evand> xivulon: on it now
[15:03] <CIA-50> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2833 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.9.17
[15:05] <xivulon> evand thanks, will close the bug then. will it be on alpha-6?
[15:05] <evand> xivulon: I imagine so as there's going to need to be a re-roll
[15:06] <xivulon> good
[15:09] <cjwatson> wow, 261073 is quite spectacular actually
[15:10] <cjwatson> I bet somebody's been messing around with g-s-d's path again
[15:10] <evand> lovely
[15:11] <evand> between HAL and this it's quite the game of whack-a-mole we've started :)
[15:11] <cjwatson> hmm, or not
[15:11]  * cjwatson peers at ps xw from a normal session
[15:11] <evand> ah
[15:12] <evand> I've had g-s-d crash on me fairly regularly on intrepid live CDs
[15:12] <cjwatson> I don't think it's a crash though, that usually results in a dialog box doesn't it?
[15:12] <evand> ah, good point, it does
[15:13] <cjwatson> I suspect the problem might be that we aren't starting up a session bus
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[15:15] <evand> xivulon: done
[15:16] <davmor2> cjwatson: Have you seen it, its ugly
[15:16] <cjwatson> yeah
[15:17] <davmor2> but only happens on the automated (don't know what else to call it) side of things
[15:18] <evand> indeed, so it's most certainly ubiquity-dm's fault.
[15:18] <cjwatson> I'm working on a patch to make it start a dbus daemon now, and see if that helps
[15:21] <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/48050/ WIP
[15:23] <evand> I thought KDE uses dbus now, no?  Or is it just an optional dependency?
[15:24] <cjwatson> I wasn't sure ...
[15:26] <evand> gah, why on earth is this looping back to partman-commit
[15:27] <evand> oh, somehow post install I ended up back on the summary page
[15:27] <cjwatson> (out for 15 minutes)
[15:33] <evand> 10:21:23 < cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/48050/ WIP
[15:33] <evand> 10:23:54 < evand> I thought KDE uses dbus now, no?  Or is it just an optional dependency?
[15:33] <evand> 10:24:37 < cjwatson> I wasn't sure ...
[15:33] <evand> Riddell: ^ Can you clairfy this.
[15:34] <evand> It looks like gnome-settings-daemon requires a dbus session (which we currently don't provide in the Install Ubuntu mode), and we want to be sure we make the change for both kde and gtk if it's required for the former.
[15:35] <Riddell> kde uses dbus
[15:35] <Riddell> i need to start dbus for oem installer
[15:37] <evand> ok, noted
[15:37] <evand> thanks!
[15:38] <evand> interesting, I somehow managed to crash X by using less.
[15:44] <cjwatson> Riddell: so you do. Does that mean that your "Install Kubuntu" mode is broken right now?
[15:45] <Riddell> could well be havn't tried
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[15:48] <cjwatson> I'm not sure I believe your dbus-launch code in oem-config-dm though :)
[15:48] <cjwatson> surely you need to extract and set environment variables from them - and I think it needs to be run with --exit-with-session
[15:59] <Riddell> it certainly made it work
[16:00] <cjwatson> curious
[16:00] <cjwatson> in my case metacity is segfaulting so I may have more than one problem
[16:00] <davmor2> Riddell: oem worked fine for me :(
[16:01] <Riddell> davmor2: is that a cause for a sad face?
[16:02] <davmor2> I couldn't be bothered to to click on the confused face :)
[16:02] <cjwatson> they're two characters. wouldn't it be easier to type them?
[16:04] <davmor2> 3 according to pidgin and I never seem to get it right :( Fail on my part me thinks
[16:06] <cjwatson> your IRC client is rendering them as two characters
[16:13] <davmor2> evand: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/migration-assistant/+bug/180309 I'm confused why would M-A have anything to do with localisation?
[16:13] <cjwatson> this is tedium squared to debug
[16:14] <evand> davmor2: that's a hard one to fix without pulling in some additional dependencies.
[16:15] <cjwatson> this is YA reason why localised directory names are a stupid idea
[16:15] <evand> but basically, it needs to write to the proper xdg directories
[16:15] <evand> indeed
[16:15] <evand> what is? the g-s-d bug?
[16:16] <cjwatson> tedium squared? yes
[16:16] <davmor2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/261073 that one
[16:16] <cjwatson> except I think I fingered g-s-d incorrectly, but 261073 anyway
[16:17] <evand> ah
[16:17] <cjwatson> I'm trying to fix metacity falling over and hoping that'll be good enough to fix the rest
[16:19] <cjwatson> it seems to want gconfd to be running
[16:19] <evand> why do I have the feeling we're going to end up running most of GNOME ;)
[16:20] <superm1> would it be worthwhile to perhaps ship another more lightweight WM on the disk to run instead?
[16:21] <cjwatson> I'd rather have it look pretty much like Ubuntu at least at the window management level.
[16:22] <davmor2> Riddell: when you could get the end message on the installer was it on a dual boot or single install?
[16:23] <cjwatson> gconfd is not very heavy in terms of memory use
[16:25] <Riddell> davmor2: single install
[16:26] <davmor2> I've just finished auto resize and I got the end message :-?
[16:26] <davmor2> :-/ even
[16:28] <evand> hrm
[16:29] <Riddell> I've not been able to recreate it this afternoon
[16:29] <Riddell> maybe it's a morning problem only..
[16:29] <evand> lol
[16:29] <davmor2> Riddell: great tell every to only install in the afternoon :D
[16:30] <evand> hrm, "Language: 10 languagechooser/language-name doesn't exist" - I thought cjwatson fixed that.
[16:32] <evand> oh whoops
[16:32] <evand> 1.9.7 != 1.9.17
[16:33] <davmor2> D'oh
[16:45] <bdmurray> I did an OEM install and had not internet access and now have no finalize icon on the desktop for the oem install.  Is that expected?
[16:49] <cjwatson> bdmurray: could well be a consequence of bug 271693
[16:49] <cjwatson> that would mean that apt doesn't know about the CD during installation (could also break localisation etc.)
[16:50] <bdmurray> I did see that error message
[16:51] <bdmurray> cjwatson: thanks
[16:52] <_ruben> hrm .. my installation seems to hang at "validating coreutils..." .. nothing to happen .. performing installation over remote kvm with a virtual cdrom over the network .. any hints on how to troubleshoot?
[16:52] <_ruben> i thought perhaps it'd have troubles reading the virtual cd, but that doesnt seem to be the case .. ls in /cdrom works fine, and no timeouts or anything in dmesg
[16:53] <bdmurray> cjwatson: do you have time for a ssh question?
[16:54] <_ruben> hmm .. apparently it doesnt hang, but is just dogslow
[16:56] <_ruben> loadavg of 1 .. cant be good
[16:57] <cjwatson> bdmurray: probably
[16:58] <bdmurray> cjwatson: I see the following when ssh'ing to systems
[16:58] <bdmurray> debug1: PEM_read_PrivateKey failed
[16:58] <bdmurray> debug1: read PEM private key done: type <unknown>
[17:00] <cjwatson> unfortunate that it doesn't say in what why, but that suggests that your private key is corrupt
[17:00] <cjwatson> s/why/way/
[17:01] <bdmurray> that's time impression I'd got from what I'd read
[17:02] <cjwatson> in the sense that it no longer parses
[17:02] <cjwatson> it's the OpenSSL function to read the key that's failing
[17:21] <evand> I can confirm that 270423 isn't occuring every time.
[17:36] <cjwatson> anyone else remember typing in 8-bit micro programs out of magazines?
[17:37] <cjwatson> this is JUST LIKE THAT.
[17:37] <evand> hahaha
[17:45] <cjwatson> HAHA YOU BASTARD DBUS/GCONF SPAWN I GOT YOU
[17:46] <cjwatson> only took 2.5 hours :-/
[17:46] <cjwatson> may break a11y, I'm not sure
[17:46] <cjwatson> I think probably post-a6
[17:59] <CIA-50> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2834 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.9.18
[18:09] <CIA-50> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2835 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity-dm debian/changelog):
[18:09] <CIA-50> ubiquity: Start dbus and (in the case of the GTK frontend) gconfd in only-ubiquity
[18:09] <CIA-50> ubiquity: mode (LP: #261073). I'm not entirely certain that accessibility will
[18:09] <CIA-50> ubiquity: keep working with this ...
[18:52] <davmor2> cjwatson: this is the other bug in xubuntu that I couldn't find earlier https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/261340
[19:19] <vincouille> hi all
[19:28] <vincouille> I've got a problem with tasksel when trying to install ubuntustudio-desktop with a netboot install.
[19:30] <vincouille> here is the corresponding syslog:
[19:30] <vincouille> Sep 18 11:36:59 in-target: Couldn't find task ubuntustudio-desktop
[19:30] <vincouille> Sep 18 11:36:59 in-target:
[19:30] <vincouille> Sep 18 11:36:59 in-target: tasksel: aptitude failed (100)
[19:30] <vincouille> is this bug already known ?
[20:09] <cjwatson> vincouille: no, I hadn't heard of that; could you put the full syslog somewhere, please?
[20:10] <cjwatson> oh, actually, yes, it is known
[20:11] <cjwatson> vincouille: bug 199649
[20:11] <cjwatson> davmor2: that's a germinate bug that I've fixed, but we're deferring the fix until after alpha-6 'cos it's quite invasive
[20:12] <davmor2> cjwatson: np's I just couldn't find it before so was just highlighting it so it wasn't forgotten :)
[20:13] <cjwatson> bug 271309
[20:23] <davmor2> cjwatson: that's the one I couldn't find before :)
[20:57] <evand> Not sure what relevance this has, but 270423 only occurs the first time you run ubiquity.
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[23:46] <CIA-50> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2836 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/tzsetup):
[23:46] <CIA-50> ubiquity: Set OVERRIDE_SHOW_ALL_LANGUAGES while calling localechooser on the
[23:46] <CIA-50> ubiquity: timezone page as well as on the language page itself (LP: #253749).
[23:47] <persia> Does that fix the oddity of preselected location based on language?
[23:47] <cjwatson> which exact oddity? :)
[23:48] <cjwatson> you mean how the location is always Algiers for many languages?
[23:58] <persia> Perhaps.  I was thinking about how it was never Japan for English.
[23:59] <cjwatson> not quite sure I understand you. Why would Japan be a sensible default for English?
[23:59] <persia> It wouldn't.