[00:26] Anyone here tonight? [00:26] There seem to be people in the room.....but I'm not getting any messages [00:26] this is my first time here [00:26] HELLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOO! [00:32] yo 'sup [00:32] hi [00:32] im just like yeh [00:33] ok [01:29] i'm here too [03:31] AliTabuger7: We really shouldn't be asking for materials yet. And we already have a good initial group of stuff to work with, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DIYMarketing [03:32] Oh. Ok. I could have sworn that was somewhere in our meeting yesterday. Don't know how you found out I was looking, but yes I was. [03:33] Flannel, I guess I'm just trying to kill time while I wait for pep. [03:35] AliTabuger7: Hmm. Deadtime is annoying. I'll try and think of some things you'd be able to do while you wait. You might ask hubuntu as well, if you see hi,. [03:36] him, even. [03:36] yeah. I haven't closed this window since the meeting because, you know, ubuntu is stable. He hasn't been on since then. [03:37] You could send him an email too. [03:37] the mailing list archives will have it, if you can't find it elsewher.e But I've gotta run. Talk to you later. [03:38] I thought one thing that might be useful would be for me to do a mockup, not of the layout, but the design of the nodes and the table where viewers would look for materials [03:38] Ok, bye flannel! [03:39] AliTabuger7: Mockups are always good, yes. [03:42] Oh, one more thing if you are still there. What is the mockup we are shooting for? This one seems broken: http://imagebin.ca/img/WyEp6x.png === cody-somerville_ is now known as cody-somerville [16:05] greets [16:06] hello [16:06] I think i can get you the logs like this: [16:06] !logs [16:06] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [16:06] ah yeah of course [16:06] I'll have a look this afternoon [16:06] uh [16:06] evening as I see [16:08] It would seem that even though ubot says this channel is logged, there are no logs for ubuntu-marketing [16:09] AliTabuger7: there is [16:09] I regularly check it [16:09] please wait [16:09] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/09/18/%23ubuntu-marketing.txt [16:10] this is today's log [16:10] you can go back too [16:11] Oh. they are actually on there? I didn't see it. I already copy and pasted it into an email to you though. [16:12] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/09/14/%23ubuntu-marketing.txt [16:12] the meeting day [16:12] For the mockup: is this what we are shooting for? http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/1834/mockup6bismn7.png [16:12] i think you mentioned that it should look like this: http://imagebin.ca/img/WyEp6x.png but the link doesn't work [16:13] about the structure AliTabuger7? [16:13] that was my last mockup AliTabuger7, yes. [16:13] its on the wiki now [16:14] shahriar86: you're working on spreadubuntu too. [16:14] ? [16:14] sorry, I have lots of catching up to do :) [16:14] I actually printed out a bunch of "blank" versions of the first link, that don't include the tabs. I'm going to work on some more specific things later. [16:14] pep I decieded to give a hand. though I am not on technical side [16:14] more of a communication channel [16:14] oh that's great, whatever you do! [16:15] if you go through the log you will see it [16:16] sure AliTabuger7, I made this to show what I had in mind, to ease the understanding of the concept of the site, but it's surely not a definitive one [16:16] yes, I'll read the logs, got some things to do first [16:17] Yup. So does that imagebin link work for anyone? The imageshack one is the one i printed out without the tabs/box and will work on later, but I want to know if that is the right idea. [16:18] I think it is, yes... the imagebin link doesn't work here either... [16:21] same here not working [16:46] I heard there is an offtopic channel for ubuntu [16:46] can anyone give me the name? [16:52] ubuntu-us-offtopic [16:52] ok [16:53] thanks [16:53] they have other languages too [16:53] not in bengali though :( [16:54] There are two theme possibilities. Ubuntu07 (featured on http://ubuntu.com) and UbuntuIcing (featured on http://shipit.ubuntu.com) [16:54] Icing seems to be a smaller theme, and probably superior appearance wise as well. 07 is the standard ubuntu theme, and is already ported to Drupal. [16:55] I have no problem porting icing to drupal though. [17:04] is there going to be the ability to vote on material? [17:05] AliTabuger7: yes [17:06] I think we should do this [17:06] add comment and give a rating... [17:06] I take it that we are using views for the main view? [17:06] then we will have (together download popularity) some good filters to offer to the visitor [17:07] yeah, I'm not perfectly sure about how the main list should look [17:07] how are we getting download populartity numbers? [17:07] maybe we don't even need a view in it, and you only see it once you click on a document [17:08] views is a pretty standard drupal module. It has the ability to have multiple fields and display content differently. Usually people use tables because it's easy to implement and compact [17:08] It's also possible to do, lists, thumbnails, and even previews of the nodes [17:08] maybe we should use a view-on-hover system for more detailed info [17:08] don't know if it's too difficult [17:08] should be possible no? [17:09] a list, with the sorting criteria in columns, and when you hover on it, you have some more info and a little view [17:10] it's possible, but because it is so heavily dependent on javascript it may not be able to fall back for users who don't have javascript enabled (sometimes they do taht for secuirty) [17:11] the hover part would make it substantially more difficult because it does not work like that right out of the box like that [17:11] they'd have to click on it to have a view then I suppose.... [17:11] a table with sortable columns is ery easy to do [17:11] exactly [17:11] thats also very easy to make with views [17:11] this point should be kept in mind for later discussion [17:12] I'm thinking about starting some mockups with more specific content layouts [17:12] specifically starting with the home page [17:12] i'm thinking it would be nice to have a little bit more content there than just "welcome. this is what diy is..." [17:12] yes, I did mine on the gimp, without thinking too much about "the list" [17:12] ^^ [17:13] something like a "Most Downloaded" and a "Recently popular" preview [17:13] but the idea was to directly come upon the content, the documents, no senseless clicking [17:13] maybe even a "todays featured material" [17:14] ah right, you mean a startpage before accessing the actual content [17:14] yes [17:14] exactly [17:14] well, maybe that's a good idea, I'm not sure what is best... personally I quite like the direct way ;) [17:14] I'd figure i'd start with that because I think i have to wait for someone to finish the db backend for the rest of it [17:14] direct? [17:15] as in: you come directly upon the content list and you set your search filters, nothing else [17:15] that is possible [17:16] it's my point, but your's is worth keeping inmind too of course [17:16] look at say... wikipedia... or even ubuntu [17:17] yes, but these are standalone sites, spreadubuntu, as we're currently talking about it, is in fact diy.spreadubuntu, a part of a bigger project/site [17:17] we're just starting with that because it's the essential bit [17:17] they make the important content prominent on the first page. The first page is the most viewed page usually, so it includes an "about ubuntu" a few important links to "get ubuntu" a "press room" [17:17] yes, the final spreadubuntu.com will have that [17:17] true, and that does make it different [17:18] but we didn't want it for diy.spreadubuntu.com if I remember [17:18] I mean, best is to focus on the essential part first, you can always do that too if we feel the need [17:18] But i still think that a "direct" might not be the best idea. I think the first page should include an "about diy" an few links to the best materials, a link to the "get" and a link to the "upload" [17:19] add your point to the wiki ;) [17:19] that's what it's there for [17:19] ok. i'll do that after I make a hand drawn mockup on the printout of it [17:20] everyone can add his point there without modifying other people's ideas, and then everyone reads everything and we decide what is best [17:20] back [17:21] that is great AliTabuger7 :) but I still think direct approach is best [17:21] what you want can be added in the main spreadubuntu site [17:21] yes [17:21] that was the idea I think... [17:21] but you can always add your point to the wiki and we can talk about it in a meeting [17:21] main spreadubuntu will redirect to the diy part [17:21] ok. i guess i can agree [17:22] yes thats better, add to the wiki [17:22] lets see what people thinks [17:22] right, I've got to get some things done now. [17:22] its a project of others rather than ours [17:22] so we don't deciede anything on ourselfves only [17:23] ok. I was also thinking that instead of having the "download" and "upload" links at the top (http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/1834/mockup6bismn7.png ) [17:23] the people that show up to the meetings (except valid excuses) get to decide generally :) [17:23] we could have "get materials" and "upload materials" links similar to the "get ubuntu" and "get support" links on http://ubuntu.com [17:24] at the left [17:25] you have many ideas, try and make a description/mockup of what you think would be best and set it on the wiki or mail it to the list ;) [17:26] :) [17:26] Ok. I was tossing it up here to get some imediate feedback first. I'm not so convinced on the direct/inderect homepage. I could be convinced either way [17:36] what kinds of materials are there? [17:36] brochures, posters... [17:36] yes [17:36] presentations (powerpoints)? [17:36] not yet [17:36] but could be [17:37] videos? [17:37] buttons? [17:37] yes [17:37] yeah, presentations too [17:37] http://diy.devubuntu.com/repo/spreadubuntu/ [17:37] this is what we will get first [17:37] from the old repo [17:37] *database [17:37] so tshirts? [17:37] tshirst order or tshirsts design? [17:38] *t-shirt [17:38] no videos I think, but strong linking on the main site to ubuntuvideo.com [17:38] or screenlets [17:38] so if we do the indirect ubuntuvideo would be a videos link? [17:38] http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/ [17:39] yeah screencasts is a good idea [17:39] vides are not defined yet. [17:39] commercials advertising or tuitorials [17:39] ? [17:39] mhh looks like ubuntuvideo is down [17:39] tutorials have nothing to it really [17:40] So... i'm doing an indirect page mockup. If we do that. what would you want to see given a prominent link? I've got posters and brochurs so far [17:40] i mean to spreadubuntu (though it helps indirectly) [17:40] they do imo, very useful for marketing actions [17:40] at release or install parties for example [17:40] room for maybe 4-6 more [17:40] you need tutorials [17:40] AliTabuger7: leaflets [17:40] is that marketing? [17:40] isn't a leaflet a brochure? [17:40] yes pep I understand [17:40] but it will just clutter the site I think [17:40] yeah sure, but I mean marketing has many aspects, not just advertising [17:41] shahriar86: yeah maybe... [17:41] rather we redirect to the video sites [17:41] I'd do that too [17:41] they do a good job [17:41] but in all cases good links to that screencasts site and what used to be ubuntuvideo.com (can't find it for some reason) [17:41] AliTabuger7: http://diy.devubuntu.com/repo/spreadubuntu/DIY%20Material/ go there its old SU [17:42] we will get them first [17:42] its seems cd level, stickers, tshirts, posters etc [17:46] I got a good example of what I was thinking with indirect. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/ [17:47] if theres a lot of material it would be terrible to just toss them into some list [17:47] show some recommendations and good ones. explain what the site is for. provide a prominent search tool [17:47] search would be less relevent for diy [17:52] ok list is not what we are looking for [17:52] maybe we should have a "make materials" link, which provides resources, guidlines, and suggestions? [17:52] AliTabuger7: that will be on the spreadubuntu site [17:52] we have two side you see one diy and another main site [17:52] why? i think "make" has to do a lot with doing it yourself [17:53] yes [17:53] i understand the seperation, but this seems diy to me [17:53] ok [17:53] guidelines suggessions are ok [17:54] what we want is direct approch so that users don't have to go read everything [17:54] like the user who have been there few times will not like it come again and again [17:54] we can have links true that gives the idea but not the homepage [17:54] homepage should directly show the materials [17:55] I think AliTabuger7 you are saying the first time visitors will not get it right? [17:55] *the direct approach? [17:56] No... i was suggesting that at the left where i was going to put a "get materials" and "share materials" link, could be a "make materials" [17:56] yes [17:56] AliTabuger7: diy is just a codename [17:56] it wouldn't be like it's wasting a lot of space [17:56] no problem with that [17:56] it's historical really [17:56] becaus SU was already taken? [17:56] no [17:57] because the concept was already startd many times [17:57] we will use SU [17:57] and the one we are mostly basing on used to be called diy [17:58] so it is SU, that is the big project. But for the workflow, there is a "Site" part and a "DIY" part [17:58] i think there is some kind of miscommunication here... I'm talking about a section of the left menu like ubuntu has whre you can alwasy see the "get ubuntu" "get support" and "get involved" stuff even though you're technically on other sites (like getubuntu or shipit) [17:59] yes I got you later :( [17:59] sorry for that [17:59] that would be in the top right hand corner I think [17:59] its ok if you have link in the right or left (does not matter) [17:59] but yeah I see what you mean [17:59] http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu look at the "get support" on shipit. [18:00] yeah I understand your point :) [18:00] ok AliTabuger7 [18:00] it was mainly to save space that I put it at the top and backed off the side menu in the diy part only... [18:00] it was my mistake for that sorry.. did not get you on the first not. but link is ok no problem [18:00] ok. i have to go to class now. I'll work on the mockup and upload it and put it on a wiki later [18:01] ok AliTabuger7 [18:01] goodbye [18:01] see you later [18:01] fine [18:01] be [18:01] bye* [20:17] Anyone actually here tonight? [20:17] ? [20:18] well the other night I came in and it seemed like no one was speaking so I decided that all the names up the side must be a bug and weren't really actual people [20:18] no one actually talks here unless something important comes up [20:18] oh right [20:18] seems everyone is too busy :S [20:19] I'm new at this....I am not very geeky [20:19] I thought this was like a chat room! [20:19] I am also a non techie :) [20:19] * shahriar86 stretches his hand for a handshake :P [20:19] so are there meetings here of the official ubuntu marketing team then [20:19] thanks [20:20] yes it holds occationally [20:21] the meeting takes place occationally (but before it used to be every month, not sure what went wrong) [20:21] you will get update on the mailing list [20:21] or the wiki [20:22] I don't really get the wiki [20:22] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/ [20:22] I was looking at the mailing list archives a bit [20:22] thats the wiki page. [20:22] its actually a page where everyone contributes [20:23] it holds information, tutorials, personal information you name it [20:23] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing and this is the mailing list subscription [20:24] by the way what do you do? Yellow_Stevej? [20:24] I'm in marketing (sort of) [20:24] great then you can tech me something :D [20:25] I am a marketing major student currently [20:25] (though not a good one I suppose :( ) [20:25] well I say I'm in marketing, basically I'm responsible for spreading a message [20:25] most of what I do is creative publicity though [20:25] ohh ok :) same goes for me in my locality [20:26] nice to here that :) [20:26] except the creativity thing, it does not go with me. that's why not such a good marketing student :( [20:26] how does ubuntu marketing fit with spread ubuntu on the launchpad? [20:26] ubuntu marketing is a contineuous process [20:27] and spread ubuntu is there to help the bigger process [20:27] right well I have to think creatively because I am not spreading a very popular thing [20:27] spreadubuntu is for getting the metarials [20:27] and how to's [20:27] ok so if I am interested in contributing to the debate and sharing my ideas which should I do it with? [20:28] debate? [20:28] ok you can contribute in ubuntu marketing [20:28] but if you have presentation slides, lectures, leaflets etc then spreadubuntu is the place [20:29] spreadubuntu is to help other spread the news of ubuntu [20:29] like I want to hold a workshop, but its tough for me to design a new poster, brochure, presentation slides, so I go to spreadUbuntu and collect the materials [20:29] ah right so if I got an idea for a flyer then spread ubuntu, but if I want to suggest a new direction then ubuntu marketing? [20:29] yes [20:29] now i understand [20:30] only I have some ideas from my working life [20:30] :) that also helps [20:30] the main spreadubuntu site will also hold opinions guidelines [20:30] suggessions [20:30] but currently we are doing the DoItYourself part [20:31] ok [20:31] first diy then the main site [20:31] you can hang around and see what happens :) [20:32] yes it seems to me that maybe ubuntu marketing is going in a new direction [20:32] though you might get bored because here people talk less (and perhaps work more= which is kind of good I suppose) [20:32] well maybe [20:32] humm I am not convinced yet [20:32] what are people doing at the moment? [20:32] there is no objectives and goals [20:32] that what bothers me most [20:33] if you ask any member what you want to see in real term in real statistics, then they have no definite answer [20:33] like increase in user? [20:33] what percentage of people we want by the next release? [20:34] how many people are currently running ubuntu? [20:34] I hope canonical have these info, but not the marketing people [20:34] am I boring you?> [20:34] sorry for that [20:35] no not at all sorry just had to say something to someone in my room! [20:36] yes I think we need a long term plan [20:36] I think 1% of market share is goal [20:37] after all linux has 1% [20:37] humm [20:37] ubuntu should aim to have 1% [20:37] too ambitious? [20:37] not really [20:37] but by the next release tough [20:38] ah I meant long term....I think it's hard to tell since we don't know where we are [20:38] hummm [20:41] I think we need to move ubuntu marketing away from the geeks [20:41] we need to tell Joe Public about Ubuntu [20:43] In my work I know there are a small percentage of people who need me and a slightly larger percentage who want me....I therefore need to tell a much larger percentage about me in order to make that happen [20:43] just brb [20:44] need to give someone an article [20:44] ok [20:52] sorry back [20:53] well we can not completely separate the geek [20:53] when we talk about ubuntu or linux in particular people know us, they trust us, so when they are in trouble they will come to us for help [20:54] and its not possible for us to help them without technical know how, we can presume but can't be accurate [20:55] that's why the technical people and the marketing people should work as section of the team [21:00] maybe [21:00] maybe technical is aftersales [21:01] humm may be [21:01] people being joe public don't trust us they don't know who we are....we have to fix that first [21:01] but people don't see the after sales, they just move around and come after us :( [21:01] hummm [21:02] I don't think that convincing people is tough, but convincing for good is tough [21:02] *for good means for longer period to switch [21:03] its like my current job when I arrived we had a good thing in place but nobody new it was there....so I realised I was going to have to spend about 70 per cent of my time marketing us [21:03] it took me around one and half year to be convinced before I tried ubuntu [21:03] yes I agree but I think the first thing is letting the world know we are here [21:03] i suggested 1% a couple days ago [21:04] medium goal is 50% of all linux boxes [21:04] shahriar86: I finished my mockup of the home page: http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/1600/spreadubuntudiyhomealitcy2.jpg [21:04] long term is 1% market share [21:04] :) [21:04] humm [21:04] @ AliTabuger7 checking [21:04] I am not good at multitasking [21:04] :( [21:05] 20tabs, two im three channel [21:05] one email [21:05] I think you get the picture :p [21:07] AliTabuger7: looks good :) [21:08] go ahead with it and post in the wiki :) [21:08] I like it :) [21:08] I already am. I told you! I knew we just had a miscommunication [21:09] yes and sorry for that :) [21:09] it was probably my fault to [21:09] Yellow_Stevej: see geeks are not that bad :P [21:09] they can be creative too [21:09] * shahriar86 means no disrespect or harm just jokeing [21:10] :( my grammer and spelling sucks :( [21:10] yeah no problem with geeks [21:10] geeks make ubuntu work [21:10] but we mustn't market as geeks [21:10] true [21:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Projects/SpreadUbuntu/diy#Design [21:11] I have to go to another class now. I may work on another mockup later today [21:11] AliTabuger7: what happens from the next page? [21:11] ok see you later then [21:11] what next page? [21:11] I mean this is the first page (like say homepage) but it is taking too much space [21:12] on both side [21:12] so if I click say poster what I will see? [21:12] same layout remains? [21:12] The thumbnails at the bottom will get rid of the thing at the right and show a table(or something) with the materials [21:13] the popular and stuff only shows up ont he first page [21:13] humm table is not so convincing [21:13] agreed [21:13] because for slower connection line then I will have to click on every material [21:13] and see what inside [21:13] you might have to anyway [21:13] and it would be evens lower if it wasn't [21:13] because you'd load every single one [21:13] tumbernail could give a glimps [21:14] true [21:14] yes [21:14] thumbnails get generated anyway [21:14] there would probably be thumbnails if it were a table [21:14] not sure about it, a full blown 1024*768 size or 256*256? [21:14] humm anyway do it [21:14] go for it no problem [21:14] be back in like an hour and a half [21:15] bye [21:15] just I am thinking of problems we face regularly [21:15] ok see you later [21:15] so marketing: don't focus on it being a better system from a programming point of view focus on it being faster, prettier and more reliable [21:15] see simple...non geek friendly! [21:16] :) [21:16] yah but problem is: how do I install? [21:16] my data is gone? linux sux,,,, [21:16] etc.. we all have heard of it [21:17] and lets face it, problems are somewhat unique. so we have faced difficulty [21:17]