[12:56] <persia> Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 5 minutes
[14:12] <persia> davidm: You need a MID with a proper offset keyboard, and useful tactile response.
[14:17] <ogra> persia, the n810 kbd is quite good, just missing some essentials like the tab key
[14:18] <persia> ogra: Isn't it one of those that implements the silly idea that one should have the keyboard be a regular grid?
[14:18]  * persia goes and looks at images before spreading more FUD
[14:19] <persia> Yeah.  That's exactly the keyboard style that has convinced me not to make a purchase previously.
[14:19] <ogra> its a qwerty
[14:19] <ogra> but yes, in a grid layout
[14:20]  * ogra is running out of battery
[14:20] <persia> (the actual product I didn't buy for this reason was http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/sharp_em_one.jpg)
[14:20] <ogra> just needs a bit of getting used to
[14:20] <persia> ogra: We can chat about foolishness in keyboard layouts adn thumb-based ergonomics another time then.  Go find some joules.
[14:21] <ogra> loic made me intrested in another smoke ... which i'll do now :P
[14:21] <ogra> bbl
[14:53] <ian_brasil> i downloaded the current image last night and the the desktop icons are still mixed up
[14:55] <ian_brasil> for instance clicking a terminal starts time and date which then hangs in kvm
[14:56] <persia> Yeah.  The launcher isn't working.  A replacement is underway: see http://people.ubuntu.com/~stevenk/IMG_2096.JPG for a screenshot of the work-in-progress
[14:56] <persia> (and yes, not having a white background might make that prettier, but that's not so critical as it actually launching the selected program)
[14:57] <persia> Apparently it's gone from being ~1800 lines of C to ~70 lines of python.
[14:58] <StevenK> It now has a black background
[14:59] <ian_brasil> cool
[14:59]  * persia failed to remember that the URL would be a highlight (x_x);
[15:07] <ian_brasil> any idea when this will be ready and intrepid images willwork?
[15:10] <persia> There was an action item to get the updated launcher into the repos at the meeting just concluded.  If they aren't in the Saturday images, they ought be in the Tuesday images. (I have little faith they will be in the weekend images)
[15:11] <ian_brasil> persia: thanks
[15:58] <tonyespy> DebbieFoghorn: which Dennis PV unit do you have right now ( SKU / SN )?
[16:21] <latouche> which window manager is used by ubuntu mobile?
[16:22] <latouche> it looks quite nice
[16:25] <persia> latouche: matchbox
[16:26] <persia> latouche: Note that matchbox itself is quite limited.  I suspect you're being impressed the envionment more generally, rather than just the WM.
[16:28] <latouche> i already tried matchbox but the screenshots i see on ubuntu website are much more beautiful
[16:28] <latouche> maybe that i need a lot of tweaking :)
[16:29] <latouche> i will probably test ubuntu mobile
[16:29] <persia> latouche: Which screenshots?
[16:29] <latouche> is there a "live cd" that i can boot from a usb key?
[16:29] <latouche> http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile >> here persia 
[16:30] <persia> There's a live-environment USB key for intrepid, but it has several issues (like the launcher launching the wrong applications).  For hardy, there is no available live environment.
[16:31] <persia> latouche: The top screenshot is roughly accurate.  I'm not sure how the two at the bottom were generated.
[16:31] <persia> Probably some example OEM/ODM customisations of some sort (guessing by the nearby text)
[16:34] <latouche> ok
[16:36] <latouche> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mid/intrepid/current/ >> is this one the live-environment ?
[16:38] <persia> Yep, but it's quite buggy, so be careful.
[16:38] <Graham70> good day room 
[16:42] <latouche> thanks persia 
[16:42] <persia> latouche: What hardware are you using?
[16:44] <latouche> an eee pc 701
[16:48] <persia> I suspect you'll find the interface interesting, but a little confining after a while.  There's work-in-progress to generate a flavour (Ubuntu Mobile) that's more well suited for that sort of device, but there aren't any images yet.
[16:50] <latouche> well, i'll test it and maybe install it or keep the good ideas for my current system
[16:50] <latouche> but, first, i'm going to bed
[16:51] <latouche> good night/evening/morning/...
[16:51] <persia> latouche: Have a good night.
[16:53] <latouche> thanks
[17:21] <crevette> heya
[17:21] <crevette> persia: around?
[17:26] <persia> crevette: Usually.
[17:26] <crevette> :)
[17:26] <crevette> hello
[17:26] <crevette> did you manage to merge bluez-gnome ?
[17:28] <persia> I haven't looked at it.  slytherin was chasing it last weekend, but I don't remember the results.
[17:34] <crevette> I can perhaps do it right now
[17:34] <crevette> my son is sleeping for a while
[17:34] <crevette> :)
[17:45] <persia> crevette: That would be great!  I was heading to bed, but I'll stay up to review/check/test the results.
[17:46] <crevette> ah already ? where do you live ?
[17:46] <crevette> just give the steps, and I'll do the merge
[17:47] <crevette> then I'll put the package somewhere and mail you once done
[17:47] <crevette> No sure how long my son will continue to sleep
[17:51] <persia> I live in Japan (where it's late).
[17:52] <persia> Steps are to grab the new upstream package, review the changes in the Debian package between 0.25 and 0.27 and see if there's any patches we want, review the patches we have against 0.25 to see what is already upstream, and what is still required, and then put it all together into a 0.28 source package.
[17:53] <crevette> okay
[17:53] <crevette> I'll try to do that tonight
[17:56] <persia> crevette: Good luck.  If you only finish part, but you can post your results somewhere, that could be helpful for the next person.
[17:56] <persia> I did a quick look at 0.27 vs 0.28 for Debian, and found that 0.28 was compatible with the 0.27 Debian packaging.
[18:06] <ethana2> Okay, I'm running ubuntu desktop edition combined with netbook edition
[18:07] <ethana2> i found that ubuntu netbook edition had some great tools that i now rely upon with my new ubuntu dell
[18:07] <ethana2> i was wondering if there may be any similar packages in ubuntu mobile..
[18:10] <ethana2> hmm
[18:10] <ethana2> ethan@home:~$ install ubuntu-mobile
[18:10] <ethana2> whoa, looks like i found it
[18:10] <ethana2> okay, if i install this metapackage, i'll have another session option to load from gdm, correct?
[18:11] <persia> If you're running intrepid, that should do the right thing.  If you're running hardy, you may get unexpected results.
[18:11] <ethana2> Also, will I be able to use a mouse with it?
[18:11] <ethana2> oh
[18:11] <ethana2> i'll probably be installing intrepid today with alpha 6
[18:11] <persia> For hardy, the metapackage for Ubuntu MID is confusingly named "ubuntu-mobile".  It has a different way of doing many things.
[18:12] <persia> For intrepid, this was resolved, and the ubuntu-mobile metapackage should provide a good experience for those with 7-9" devices.
[18:12] <ethana2> well i have a 14" inspiron 1420n
[18:12] <persia> I understand there are still a few bugs to be ironed out, but it should work fine with a mouse, etc.
[18:12] <ethana2> but i use window-picker-applet from ubuntu netbook and maximus
[18:12] <ethana2> oh sweet
[18:13] <persia> I find your use case surprising, but then I'm the sort of person who runs full -desktop on a 7" laptop.
[18:13] <ethana2> well the window list applet is visually noisy as heck
[18:13] <ethana2> and when i want to do one task at a time, title bars are simply a waste of space
[18:14] <ethana2> plus having the close window button in the top panel brings me more into harmony with Fitt's law
[18:14] <ethana2> ok, looks like alpha 6 hasn't gone gold yet
[18:15] <ethana2> persia: don't mind my use cases, they surprise /everyone/
[18:15] <persia> I guess.  I tend to like to have at least two windows (the thing I'm changing and the thing to which I'm referring for data).
[18:16] <ethana2> i'd love to have two side by side frames; two workspaces on one screen
[18:16]  * ethana2 shrugs
[18:16] <persia> ethana2: Of course :)  You may find ubuntu-mobile is perfect for you, despite not having the hardware expected for use with it.
[18:16] <ethana2> exactly what i'm figuring
[18:16] <persia> Yeah.  Two side-by-side is good.  If you use terminal apps a lot, and like the fullscreen model, you can do that with terminator.
[18:17] <ethana2> the thing i really love about maximus is the way it helps me work with compiz
[18:17] <ethana2> i have this..  urge to keep everything minimized
[18:17] <ethana2> ....but if i can only see one window at a time, the urge goes away and i can use the cover flow switcher
[18:18] <ethana2> (X windows don't exist when minimized and the compiz folks think it's 'hackish' to cache mipmaps)
[18:21] <persia> Interesting.  Highlighting the compiz cover flow switcher may be interesting in mobile.  I'm curious how it works from ubuntu-mobile without the netbook-remix stuff.
[18:22] <ethana2> i had to take ghex2 to my compiz binaries because of an apple patent, you know, for the genie effect
[18:22] <ethana2> ....went to the linux mint irc channel to ask them how they handled that but i didn't get a response
[18:24] <persia> I don't know anything about that.  I don't actually use compiz where I can avoid it (saves battery life for me).
[18:24] <ethana2> i turn it off for battery life also
[18:24] <ethana2> along with my wireless and screen brightness
[18:24] <ethana2> my 56 WHr battery lasts 2.5 H, which is pretty good
[18:58] <persia> crevette: I'm going to have to wish you luck.  Please post your results for however far you get, and I'll take an interested look when I return.