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cody-somervillePlease help test Xubuntu alpha candidate: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/xubuntu/all01:53
favrocody-somerville: is running that in vbox helpful at all?02:02
cody-somervillesure02:02
favro:)02:02
Onewordis there a vnc server in xubuntu by default?03:21
Odd-rationaleOneword: no note by default...03:23
Odd-rationalenot03:23
Onewordwhat package do I need03:23
Odd-rationale!vnc03:23
ubottuVNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX03:23
Catoptromancydoes that new xubuntu contain gnome libs?03:26
Odd-rationaleCatoptromancy: some, i believe...03:26
Catoptromancy= (03:26
Catoptromancygnome-games?03:26
Catoptromancyi wish xubuntu was more xfce and less gnome03:26
Onewordhow come ubuntu doesn't see the network card, debian could03:27
Onewordoh, it does. my fault03:29
Catoptromancyheh03:30
CatoptromancyI wonder if its possible to just install xfce403:30
j1mcCatoptromancy: you can03:30
Catoptromancywithout xubuntu-desktop03:30
Catoptromancyinstall with nothing but base files and apt03:31
j1mcCatoptromancy: install a command-line system from an alternate install cd, and then just "sudo aptitude install xfce4"03:31
Catoptromancyya I thought it was alterante03:31
Catoptromancyworked awesomely on debian03:31
Catoptromancypure xfce, no extra luggage03:31
CatoptromancyI wish live cd also has "install text console only"03:32
Catoptromancylive was less than 600 mb, coulda fit03:32
Odd-rationaleCatoptromancy: it comes with totem, gnome-games, etc. so...03:33
Catoptromancystill coulda fit alot more03:33
Catoptromancylast time I downloaded xubuntu cd was like 699 mbs03:33
Catoptromancyjust big enough to fit on a cd03:33
favroit's kinda designed that way :)03:34
Catoptromancy8.04 live cd was like 530 or 540 mbs03:34
Catoptromancycoulda fit complete OOo on it03:35
Odd-rationaleCatoptromancy: yes i think it is possible to install just xfce4. search the repos...03:35
Catoptromancyyup = )03:37
Onewordwhere do I set a proxy for apt-get or package manager?03:40
nclifehi, any recommendations for a light and good bittorrent client?03:50
favrortorrent ftw !03:51
favro!info rtorrent03:51
ubotturtorrent (source: rtorrent): ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.8.0-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 346 kB, installed size 968 kB03:51
nclifethx03:52
Catoptromancyheh will need to google that to figure out how to use it03:56
Catoptromancybut it awesome03:56
favrothere is a wiki and chat for rtorrent04:24
favrohttp://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/wiki/RTorrentCommonTasks and #rtorrent04:24
nclifethanks04:48
Onewordhow do I enable remote remote desktop on xubuntu?>04:51
filipegattiI'm creating some Launchers and I want them to have the icon of the application. Where do Xubuntu store Icons?04:57
favro/usr/share/pixmaps or icons normally05:01
filipegattithere it was, thanks favro (again!)05:06
favrofilipegatti: np :)05:07
Sunborn1hey, I have been looking around the boards but I am wondering if anyone has tried to put xubuntu on a 32MB ram 200 mhz machine, even though the alternate install recommends 64 MB05:52
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favroI'm running a minimal install and it needs 40mb just to get to the desktop05:54
favropuppy or damn small linux might be better alternatives05:55
sunbornyuck, ok05:55
sunbornthanks05:55
sunbornmight as well stay with win95 than that05:56
sunbornubuntu has spoiled me05:56
favroI had a dapper minimal with fluxbox and with no wallpaper it only used 28mb to get to the desktop05:56
sunbornI could see if there is some ram for this old box floating around on ebay05:58
sunbornI am thinking would 4 MB be enough to do anything else other than run the box?05:59
favroI have some spare 32mb sdram - where are you?05:59
sunbornCanada05:59
sunbornin the middle of nowhere northern canada06:00
favroother side of the globe in australia here :)06:00
sunbornwhich would explain why you are still up06:00
favro3pm it is06:01
sunbornbah if I wanted to put more ram in, I would have to figure out what clock speed the ram in there is at. I think it would be too much work06:02
favrohehe06:03
sunbornwell I will consider it thanks for the info favro, have a good rest of the day06:06
favrosee ya :)06:06
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CostaRicanQuakercan i change the window manager on xfce to open box?07:43
favroto use compiz with xfce the command is   compiz --replace   I wonder if that'll work with openbox...07:54
favroopenbox --replace   ?07:54
Catoptromancyxinitrc08:05
Catoptromancy!xinitrc08:05
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about xinitrc08:05
CostaRicanQuakerfavro, how do you mean the command is? do i type that into a terminal?08:29
CostaRicanQuakerhow do i add compiz to xfce? does it run as fast as without it?08:29
favrocompiz is heavy on the system08:30
favroand I was more thinking out loud then suggesting - sorry08:30
CostaRicanQuakerhow about changing the window manager to fluxbox?08:30
favroCostaRicanQuaker: you can use any wm you want - but prob not in xfce08:31
favronormally you install openbox and select it at login from options08:31
CostaRicanQuakerwhy not? i found this: http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Help:XFCE/Openbox08:32
favroI prefer fluxbox myself08:32
favroCostaRicanQuaker: I said prob not - if that link is something you want to try then go ahead?08:32
CostaRicanQuakerhow do you "save session"?=08:34
favroit's in the settings manager under login08:35
CostaRicanQuakerok thanks08:36
CostaRicanQuakerbrb08:36
craxieWhy is Kubuntu always behind you? Are you more integrated with the main distro or are you just quicker?11:07
cody-somervilleHello. Please help test the Xubuntu Intrepid Alpha 6 candidate by visiting http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com13:50
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gorebehHi, I want to keep the right click functionality from the default install of xubuntu (create shortcuts) but i would also like to be able to make the xfce4-menu appear at the pointer when i press a certain keycombo, is this possible?14:57
cody-somervillegorebeh, probably not14:58
gorebehcody-somerville: at the moment when i press the key combo it launches the menu from whatever pannel its attached to, is there no way to launch it if its not attached to a pannel?14:59
cody-somervilleI'm afraid I don't do anything fancy with my xfce4 install :P15:00
gorebehcody-somerville: cool nps :) mabe ill cheat somehow with a hidden menu or something15:00
cody-somerville:]15:00
ron_ocan one upgrade from dapper to the latest?15:08
Myrttiyes, you should be able to15:08
cody-somervillelatest being 8.04 :]15:09
robert__Hi everyone, I have a problem=( I have lost my gnome-panel I cant get it back, (Menybar) pls help im new with Linux15:12
Myrttirobert__: gnome-panel or xfce4-panel?15:15
Myrttiare you on gnome or in xfce4?15:15
robert__Myrtti, im not sure im a beginner =) But i think its xfce415:16
Myrttidid you have brown-n-orange ubuntu logo on the panel or a cute blue mouse?15:17
robert__a blue mouse i think15:17
Myrttithen you can get the panel back with alt-f2 and typing xfce4-panel on the run prompt.15:18
robert__Myrtti You are my hero =( thanks alot m815:19
robert__=)15:19
Myrttioh my gawd, a deja vu15:19
robert__hehe Okey thx =)15:19
Myrttierhm. right.15:19
Myrttino probs.15:19
Myrttididn't have the heart to correct him...15:21
Myrttiback to business...15:21
CostaRicanQuakercan someone help me set up thunderbird, i am at the stage where the dialogue says incoming/outgoing server if pop/imap is checked, i clicked on my connection details and can't find anything other than the following data: ip address, broadcast address, subnet mask, default route, primary dns. secondary dns, they're all numbers, whihc do i have to enter in the outgoing incoming slots?15:22
Myrttiyou can't figure them out from those unless you're super wizard15:24
Myrttiincoming/outcoming information is given to you by your ISP or email service provider.15:24
CostaRicanQuakerhow do i figure them out then?15:24
Myrttifor instance, google mail has its own.15:24
CostaRicanQuakerthe account i want to set up is a ymail/gmail account15:24
CostaRicanQuakerso what do i have to do?15:24
Myrttihold on...15:25
MyrttiCostaRicanQuaker: check https://mail.google.com/mail/#settings/fwdandpop first15:26
Myrtticheck that imap is enabled15:26
MyrttiCostaRicanQuaker: and then follow http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=7766215:27
CostaRicanQuakerand for ymail?15:28
Myrttifor ymail http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/mailplus/pop/pop-35.html and http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/mailplus/pop/pop-14.html15:30
CostaRicanQuakercan i have several different accounts on thunderbird like can i have both the ymail and gmail set up?15:30
Myrttisure15:32
CostaRicanQuakerhow so?15:33
CostaRicanQuakeri just finished setting up for gmail15:34
CostaRicanQuakerand it has a loading bar, it says connecting15:35
MyrttiI use claws-mail myself so I can't remember the details :-<15:35
CostaRicanQuakerwhat distro are you on?15:35
Myrttibut it should be quite straightforward15:35
Myrttixubuntu15:35
CostaRicanQuakerwhat's claws mail? i haven't seen it on xubuntu15:36
CostaRicanQuakerwaht's the diffference from say kmail and why do you like it15:36
CostaRicanQuakerconnection timed out15:36
MyrttiI think claws-mail is lighter to run than thunderbird - and it's gtk15:36
Myrttiunlike kmail15:36
Myrttiyou can add accounts to thunderbird with Edit - Account settings15:37
TheSheepand it's not that ugly, once you install the Tango theme15:37
CostaRicanQuakersudo aptitude install claws-mail?15:38
Myrttiyup15:38
CostaRicanQuakerplease wait15:38
CostaRicanQuakerMyrtti, ok i just got claws mail15:42
CostaRicanQuakernow what do i do to set up the ymail account15:42
CostaRicanQuakeri mean i see that link you gave me15:42
CostaRicanQuakerthe username on claws15:43
CostaRicanQuakerdoes it correspond to either "account/name/login" from the page you linked15:44
CostaRicanQuakeror e-mail address?15:44
Myrttiuser id yes.15:44
Myrttifull name is your full name15:44
CostaRicanQuakerusername though15:45
CostaRicanQuakeron the claws thing15:45
CostaRicanQuakerok i just set it up15:47
CostaRicanQuakerbut as soon as i clicked on get mail15:47
CostaRicanQuakerit said error connection to plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com15:47
CostaRicanQuakerfailed15:47
CostaRicanQuakerwhat do i do? what did i do wrong?15:47
Myrttido you have paid yahoomail plus account?15:48
CostaRicanQuakerno15:49
Myrttihave you gotten yahoo mail to work in other clients than the webmail before?15:49
CostaRicanQuakerdo you have to to be able to open ymail on a program like claws-mail? what about thunderbird and gmail?15:49
CostaRicanQuakerthunderbird keeps trying to connect adn then it times out15:50
Myrttiare you sure you've got the ports correctly?15:58
Myrttiand the username?15:58
CostaRicanQuakerok i just set up the gmail one16:00
CostaRicanQuakerand that one's working16:00
CostaRicanQuakerdo you have to have a  paid for account for the ymail one to work on pop tho?16:01
Myrttioh, he left just as I was going to answer him16:10
DanuHi i really need help, i just install xubuntu-dektop, and i'm confuse18:07
Myrttioh?18:07
zoredacheDanu: perhaps you could tell us what you are confused about...18:11
Danueverything!, for example how do i change themes?18:12
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Danuplease18:13
zoredache!xfce-themes | Danu18:14
ubottuDanu: Themes for Xfce4 are simply GTK2+ themes which means Gnome themes are also compatible with your xfce4 desktop. To install themes, unpack it in ~/.themes/  To install icons, unpack them to ~/.icons/ - Visit http://www.xfce-look.org/ for all kinds of eyecandy for your Xfce4 desktop! - See also !themes for other GNOME theme sites18:14
Danubut i already have the .themes folder (because i have gnome too)18:15
zoredacheand?18:15
Danuand where do i change them?18:16
MyrttiDanu: Applications - Settings - Settings Manager18:16
MyrttiUser interface18:16
Myrttiwasn't that hard, now was it? :-)18:17
Danusorry a lot but i don't see it :(18:18
Danuups now i do =) thenks18:19
Danuand now how do i apply it?18:20
Myrttiyou did unpack the theme to the .themes directory, right?18:21
Danuyes18:21
Danuanother thing, sorry the bother but, i have in the applications menu wien icons in "others"18:22
Myrtti*blink*18:23
Myrttiwhut?18:24
Danuwine*18:26
Myrttiyes?18:26
Danuall the icons of applications that i uninstall a long time ago are in "others"18:28
Danubye thenks anyway18:37
armornickhey guys, how much faster is xfce than gnome?18:40
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PsynoKhi0where could I find some info about the storage device management in hardy and later versions? (e.g. the standardised /dev/sdx naming scheme and what this incurs)19:04
dreamyhi anyone around?19:14
dreamyi require assistance in mounting fat3219:14
dreamyanyone?19:19
Myrttisure19:19
dreamyi have a dual boot system windows and xubuntu19:21
Myrttiok19:22
dreamyc: d:(which is fat32 so that i can share between windows and xubuntu)19:22
dreamyi notice that unlike ubuntu, the d drive does not auto mount19:23
dreamyi have been looking through the forums but can't seem to figure out what command line am i to use19:24
dreamysorry....i'm pretty much a noob with linux19:24
Myrttihmmm.19:25
PsynoKhi0dreamy: that would be the mount command19:28
PsynoKhi0http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/mounting-windows-partition-onto-ubuntu-linux/19:28
PsynoKhi0if you want to make it persistent you need to edit the fstab file in your /etc directory19:29
dreamyok19:32
dreamyshould i follow this command from the webbie19:32
dreamy# sudo  mount  -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222 /dev/hdb1 /media/c19:32
PsynoKhi0almost19:32
dreamybut change my ntfs to fat3219:33
PsynoKhi0vfat19:33
dreamyand change hdb1 to my drive name19:33
dreamyoh ok19:33
PsynoKhi0but19:33
PsynoKhi0have you run fdisk -l?19:33
dreamyyep19:33
dreamyohh19:34
dreamyi see it now19:35
PsynoKhi0what the outpout for your fat32 partition?19:35
PsynoKhi0output*19:35
dreamyits further down the webbie19:35
PsynoKhi0yep, read the whole thing ;) you don't want to mess up data or worse19:35
dreamyyeah that's all my sch work19:35
dreamyelse i'll be dead19:35
dreamy   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System19:36
dreamy/dev/sda1   *           1        4865    39078081    7  HPFS/NTFS19:36
dreamy/dev/sda2            4866        9729    39070080    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)19:36
dreamy/dev/sda5            4866        6162    10418121    b  W95 FAT3219:36
dreamy/dev/sda6            6163        6466     2441848+  82  Linux swap / Solaris19:36
dreamy/dev/sda7            6467        9729    26210016   83  Linux19:36
PsynoKhi0oy oy oy oy...19:37
PsynoKhi0more than 3 rows, please use the pastebin19:37
dreamyoops19:38
dreamysorry19:38
dreamy:/19:38
PsynoKhi0http://paste.ubuntu.com/19:38
PsynoKhi0so it's sda5, right?19:38
dreamyyep19:39
dreamysweet19:39
dreamyits mounted19:39
dreamy:)19:39
PsynoKhi0neat19:39
dreamythanks!!!but how do i make it persistent?19:40
PsynoKhi0to be on the safe side, I'd only read data fron that partition for now19:40
PsynoKhi0i.e. no writes19:40
dreamyoh?19:40
dreamywhy not?i thought it was interchangable?19:41
PsynoKhi0I've never played around with fat32 partitions myself in linux, only NTFS ones, and not so long ago, writing to those was kind of risky... I don't want to tell you stuff I'm not 100% sure of19:42
PsynoKhi0that's all, might be all good but I can't give you my word :)19:43
PsynoKhi0look for more info or ask someone more knowledgeable than I19:43
dreamyohh...okok....thanks dude.19:44
PsynoKhi0np19:44
PsynoKhi0as for making it persistent19:45
PsynoKhi0could you please paste your fstab (/etc/fstab) in the pastebin and drop the URL to the output here?19:46
PsynoKhi0e.g.19:46
PsynoKhi0mousepad /etc/fstab19:47
PsynoKhi0copy/paste19:47
dreamyhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/48115/19:50
PsynoKhi0ok19:51
PsynoKhi0what was the command you typed to mount your partition? could you paste the whole string here?19:52
dreamysudo mount -t vfat -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000 /dev/sda5 /media/d19:54
saikiwhat is the sound configuration utility for xubuntu?19:56
PsynoKhi0dreamy: in a terminal type19:59
PsynoKhi0sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak && sudo mousepad /etc/fstab20:00
PsynoKhi0that will make a backup of your current file and open it in the tet editor with super user privileges (need to edit it)20:00
dreamydone20:00
PsynoKhi0tet = text20:00
dreamyok20:01
MyrttiPsynoKhi0: GKSUDO20:02
PsynoKhi0do you have the file in front of you, with a red row above it Waring you're using super user blablabla?20:02
* Myrtti larts PsynoKhi0 for opening mousepad with sudo20:02
dreamyyep20:03
dreamyi have that20:03
PsynoKhi0ok, now add a line at the bottom so it looks like this:20:04
PsynoKhi0http://paste.ubuntu.com/48120/20:04
PsynoKhi0then save and exit the text editor20:04
dreamyi add line 10?20:04
PsynoKhi0yep20:04
dreamykk20:05
dreamyalright20:05
dreamydone20:05
PsynoKhi0save and exit20:05
dreamyok20:06
PsynoKhi0then if you want to check it worked, rebbot the compy20:06
PsynoKhi0reboot*20:06
* PsynoKhi0 now flees20:06
saikiwhat is the sound configuration utility for xubuntu?20:08
dreamylol20:08
dreamyokok20:08
dreamyi reboot20:08
PsynoKhi0alsamixer you mean?20:08
dreamythanks20:08
PsynoKhi0np20:08
saikiPsynoKhi0: that seems to only control alsa, I need all of them. because I can't get some things to work20:10
PsynoKhi0all of them what?20:11
PsynoKhi0hardware settings?20:11
PsynoKhi0do you need to increase input volume to a micrphone, that kind of stuff?20:13
saikiI need to change default as well20:14
saikialsa doesn't seem to control my webcam20:14
saikiwhich has a mic20:14
saikiSlvoice isn't connecting to everyone else, just me. Skype refuses to play audio (in or out)20:15
PsynoKhi0nt using xfce right now, though if you go through the volume applet (speaker icon) on top right corner20:16
PsynoKhi0there should be omething in the line Open ontrol panel20:17
saikithere isn't one20:17
saikion live it had one, no it doesn't20:18
saikinow*20:18
PsynoKhi0then right click on the top panel (random free space) and choose Add item20:18
PsynoKhi0there should be a Mixer applet in the list20:20
saikimymixer doesn't tetect my webcam as an audio source20:20
PsynoKhi0nothing under View > Manage?20:21
dreamyhey PsynoKhio20:24
dreamyit worked20:24
dreamy:)20:24
PsynoKhi0cool :)20:24
dreamythanks dude20:24
PsynoKhi0np *hugs google*20:24
PsynoKhi0:D20:24
dreamyhehe20:24
dreamyi want to try chrome on linux20:25
PsynoKhi0http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountwindows20:25
PsynoKhi0^^20:25
PsynoKhi0that works through wine if I remember correctly20:25
Yashyhelp! My nvidia driver seems to have gone awol, I'm stuck using VESA in 800x600   http://pastebin.com/m1df0dbb20:26
dreamyyep...it does20:26
dreamythank god for wine20:27
PsynoKhi0you're gonna need the latest version though, there are instructions on winehq.org to get it through Synaptics20:28
PsynoKhi0Yashy: tried Envy to install the driver?20:29
PsynoKhi0it's in the repo (as long as you have universe and multivers enabled)'20:30
PsynoKhi0bye20:31
saikiYashy: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new20:32
holyguyver_My computer is not reading or even mounting my SD flash memory card, shouldn't it be able to?20:54
Myrttithat is totally dependant on whether your computer has hardware that is supported20:54
holyguyver_I did an ls /dev/sd* if that helps20:55
holyguyver_/dev/sda   /dev/sda2  /dev/sda4  /dev/sda6  /dev/sdb1  /dev/sdc1  /dev/sde /dev/sda1  /dev/sda3  /dev/sda5  /dev/sdb   /dev/sdc   /dev/sdd   /dev/sdf20:55
Myrttino, it really doesn't help20:56
holyguyver_Well do you know anything that would help us find out?20:56
Myrttiwhat happens if you type "dmesg | tail -f" into terminal and plug the SD flash memory in the computer?20:56
venomeholyguyver_:  looks like you've got several devices that lack partitions20:58
holyguyver_Myrtti, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/48143/20:59
venomeholyguyver_: so it's the sdc1 partition20:59
holyguyver_venome, I guess, I do not know.20:59
venomeholyguyver_: 've you tried mount /dev/sdc1 /media/cdrom for example21:00
venome(from console)21:00
venome(or i can let Myrtti explain it :) )21:00
holyguyver_venome trhat thing at the bottom appeared in the terminal before I put in the sd card.21:01
Myrttivenome: go ahead, I'm trying to procrastinate work too much and IRC is doing a pretty good job with it21:01
venomeok, i see :)21:01
zoredacheif the device is connected do a 'sfdisk -l' perhaps?  See if you see the filesystem you are looking for21:01
holyguyver_venome, "[21882.086614]  sdc: sdc1" appeared before I attached the card.21:02
Myrttiand what happens when you insert the card?21:02
holyguyver_Myrtti, no response21:02
venomeholyguyver_: ok, so that means it is not related to the card issue21:02
venomethen you most likely do not have the drivers (modules) for the card reader hardware21:03
holyguyver_venome but here is where it gets stranger.21:03
venomeholyguyver_: do you know what brand is your card reader? is it a notebook one?21:04
holyguyver_I purchased this computer from the factory with the flash card reader as a normal factory pre-installed hardware that normally comes with the computer, & the computer originally came with MS Vista, well I even then logged out of my Linux distro & back into vista & even vista is giving the same respnse that Linux did.21:05
venomeholyguyver_: what size is your card?21:06
venomeholyguyver_: haven't you put you vista into 'hibernate' mode?21:06
venomeholyguyver_: (that could cause a series of troubles)21:07
holyguyver_venome, I don't know if the flash card is for notebooks, my mother purchased it. I already said several times that it is a SD card, but I have yet to say it is by SanDisk & it is 2GBs.21:07
venomeholyguyver_: so unless you've got another 2GBs drive, sdc1 is the flash21:07
holyguyver_venome, No I have never put my vista into hibernate mode because this is only the second time I have booted into vista in the year & a half that I have owned this computer. When I got it the first thing I did was install Linux.21:08
venomeholyguyver_: all right, i think it must be the sdc1 device that is the flash partition21:08
holyguyver_No I do not have another 2 GB partisition, but how did you know other then when I said it, that it was 2GBs?21:10
venomeholyguyver_: its in the dmesg ...21:10
holyguyver_Well it is refusing to let me mount it both in Linux & Vista.21:11
venomeholyguyver_: well, and the sdc gets mounted?21:12
holyguyver_What would the SDC be?21:12
Catoptromancyhow doe it refuse? how are you mounting?21:12
venomeholyguyver_ : it might be because it's not formatted21:12
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, I am going to the file manager & right clicking & telling it to mount.21:12
Catoptromancymanually try to mounr21:13
Catoptromancymount21:13
holyguyver_venome, If I format it will it still work with the digital camera that I am using it in?21:13
holyguyver_cat I do not know hot to manually mount, I do not know the cammand, but I mean I was manually mounting it using the GUI.21:14
Catoptromancymount -t msdosfs /dev/sdc1 /mnt/somedirectory21:14
holyguyver_somedirectory?21:14
Catoptromancymake sure its dev sdc1  and find an empty directory in /mnt21:14
holyguyver_How would I find an empty directory?21:15
Catoptromancysee if anything is in it21:15
Catoptromancyor mkdir /mnt.sdcard21:15
Catoptromancyerr21:15
Catoptromancyor mkdir /mnt/sdcard21:15
Catoptromancyand21:15
Catoptromancymount -t msdosfs /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard21:15
holyguyver_mount -t msdosfs /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard21:16
holyguyver_mount: mount point /mnt/sdcard does not exist21:16
Catoptromancymkdir /mnt/sdcard21:17
Catoptromancythat mkdir = makes directory21:17
Catoptromancyif that command doesnt work21:18
Catoptromancymount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard21:18
Catoptromancyprobably heh21:18
holyguyver_jack-desktop jack # mkdir /mnt/sdcard mount -t msdosfs /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard mount: unknown filesystem type 'msdosfs'21:19
Catoptromancytry vfat21:19
Catoptromancymaybe auto?21:19
Catoptromancymount -t auto /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard21:19
holyguyver_mount: you must specify the filesystem type21:19
Catoptromancywoah21:19
Catoptromancydont put all that on one line21:19
Catoptromancymkdir and mount are sepreate commands21:20
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, I didn't put it all on one line21:20
Catoptromancyok heh21:20
holyguyver_I made it into one line here so I didn't have to pastebin it.21:20
Catoptromancycat /sbin21:20
Catoptromancydont paste21:20
Catoptromancylook for mount_anything commands21:20
Catoptromancylook for sopmething that seems MS compatible21:20
Catoptromancythat shoulds mount an CD card21:20
holyguyver_mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1,   missing codepage or helper program, or other error  In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try  dmesg | tail  or so21:21
holyguyver_venome, you never answered me, if I format it will it still work with the digital camera?21:22
Catoptromancysee if its really sdc121:23
Catoptromancybash-3.1$ dmesg|grep /dev/sd21:23
holyguyver_bash: bash-3.1$: command not found21:23
Catoptromancyheh21:23
Catoptromancydmesg|grep /dev/sd21:23
venomeholyguyver_: sorry, i thought Catoptromancy's answered your questions.... depends on what type of filesystem you camera expects21:23
venomeit's most likely fat16 or fat3221:24
venome... does the flash card work in your camera?21:24
venome(now)21:24
Catoptromancymount -t fat32 /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard  ?21:24
holyguyver_[    0.000000] Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda2 ro quiet splash[  127.855266] Adding 5686968k swap on /dev/sda5.  Priority:-1 extents:1 across:5686968k21:24
Catoptromancybut i dont think its /dev/sdc121:24
holyguyver_Yes the flash card does work in my camera.21:24
Catoptromancydmesg|grep /dev/21:24
Catoptromancytry that21:25
Catoptromancyitll be longer, but pickout where sd card will be21:25
holyguyver_[    0.000000] Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda2 ro quiet splash[  127.855266] Adding 5686968k swap on /dev/sda5.  Priority:-1 extents:1 across:5686968k21:25
holyguyver_It was not longer21:25
Catoptromancyyour system cant find card. Are you sure its properly in computer?21:26
Catoptromancymine has lights that come on21:26
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, yes the little green light is on.21:26
venomeholyguyver_: well .... try ls /dev/hd* /dev/sd* BEFORE you plugin the card21:26
venomeholyguyver_: and then do the same after you plug it in21:26
holyguyver_Without card21:27
holyguyver_ls /dev/hd* /dev/sd*21:27
holyguyver_ls: cannot access /dev/hd*: No such file or directory /dev/sda   /dev/sda2  /dev/sda4  /dev/sda6  /dev/sdb1  /dev/sdd  /dev/sdf /dev/sda1  /dev/sda3  /dev/sda5  /dev/sdb   /dev/sdc   /dev/sde21:27
holyguyver_With card21:28
holyguyver_ls: cannot access /dev/hd*: No such file or directory /dev/sda   /dev/sda2  /dev/sda4  /dev/sda6  /dev/sdb1  /dev/sdc1  /dev/sde /dev/sda1  /dev/sda3  /dev/sda5  /dev/sdb   /dev/sdc   /dev/sdd   /dev/sdf21:28
holyguyver_venome, that good?21:29
venomeholyguyver_: according to what you post, it must be the sdc121:30
venomeor sdf21:30
venomebut definately some strange things are happening, cause many devices appear and disappear21:30
venomedid the mount /dev/sdc1 /media/cdrom work for you?21:31
holyguyver_I told you there was a strange part :p21:31
holyguyver_venome, But I do not have anything in my CDROM drive at the moment.21:31
holyguyver_Also remember this same problem is happening on Vista.21:32
Catoptromancytry another cd card?21:33
Catoptromancysd21:33
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, what is a CD card?21:34
Catoptromancytry another sd card?21:34
venomeholyguyver_: yep, but i say /media/cdrom because that device should exist by default in your system21:34
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, This is the only SD card I own, my mother just purchased it for me yesterday for my cameras which I got yesterday.21:34
venomeholyguyver_: so we dont have to deal with that issue on separate :D21:34
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holyguyver_venome, My CDROM works fine, even plays DVDs.21:35
holyguyver_I feel alone now. I must have scared everyone away.21:38
venomeholyguyver_: don't care about the cd rom21:38
holyguyver_venome, we already created the mnt/sdcard remember.21:39
venomeyea?21:39
venomeand when you do ls /mnt/sdcard?21:39
venome(sorry, I'm on several channels and I can hardly read all the messages :) )21:40
holyguyver_Yes we did at the beginning of this Catoptromancy could vouch for it. I will do the ls for it now.21:40
CatoptromancyI dont think /dev/sdc1 is there21:40
Catoptromancyor machine isnt reading it at all, nothing to mount21:40
holyguyver_jack-desktop jack # ls /mnt/sdcard21:41
holyguyver_jack-desktop jack #21:41
holyguyver_I have been told that with unix cammands that if it doesn't say anything that thatn means all went well.21:41
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, If it isn't reading it at all then how did you guys know besides when I said it that it was 2GBs?21:42
venomeholyguyver_: well, you might try 'mount -l'21:43
venomeand see if there's the /dev/sdc1 listed ...21:43
holyguyver_venome,  Catoptromancy http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/48154/21:43
venomeok, sdc is not there21:45
holyguyver_venome, Alright, so what does that mean?21:48
holyguyver_& yes the card is plugged in21:48
venomethis means that the card is not mouned21:49
venomemounted = you can't see it's contents21:49
venomebut the device itself might exist21:50
venome've you tried the mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard?21:50
holyguyver_venome, Yes, you where here for that & the very first thing I said isd that the computer was refusing to mount the card.21:52
venomeright, so it says you've got to specify the file system, right?21:53
holyguyver_mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1,   missing codepage or helper program, or other error  In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try  dmesg | tail  or so21:54
holyguyver_That is what I said a half hour ago21:54
holyguyver_& when we did auto it told us to specify.21:55
venomeok ok21:55
holyguyver_But even windows Vista responds the same, Windows vista asks me to reformat the drive.21:55
venomeits too late for me to think about that ... :)21:55
venomeit might be a hardware failure21:56
bytor4232hm.21:56
holyguyver_venome, it is only 2 in the afternoon21:56
bytor4232I need to figure out why hotkeys is running in memory, yet not running.21:56
venomein my country its midnight :D21:56
holyguyver_venome, My mother just bought the card yesterday & this is the first time I have ever used my memory card reader.21:56
venome(i just came back from a pub ;) )21:56
bytor4232In soviet russia, night mids you!21:57
venomewell, thankfully i'm from a country more to the west than russia :)21:57
holyguyver_venome, Gute Nacht21:57
venomedanke :D21:57
venomeaber noch nicht21:57
holyguyver_venome, I live in Arizona USA but took German in high school & love the langauge & the country.21:58
venomeyep, I'm not german, but 'd like to go to usa ... :) just checked Las Vegas on the street view maps.google.com and it about 80 F there ... we are almost freezing here :D21:59
holyguyver_Dutch?22:00
venomenever mind ... i suggest you try the card in another computer to be sure it works all right22:00
venomenope :)22:00
venomeczech22:00
holyguyver_Well you are close to Russia then?22:00
venomeno :)22:00
venomewe are next to germany22:01
holyguyver_Closer then I am :p22:01
venomewell, yea ...22:01
holyguyver_Austria & Poland are close to Germany.22:01
venomewe are between austria and poland :D22:01
venomecheck eg. google earth22:01
holyguyver_Good to know, I don't know how I could have skipped Czech on my map :p22:02
venomehehe22:02
holyguyver_I love Austria too, & I have a friend who lives in Poland.22:02
holyguyver_weiner ist gut22:05
venome!arizona | holyguywer_22:05
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about arizona22:05
venomealles ist gut rund hier :D22:06
holyguyver_venome, Arizona ist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona22:06
venomeyea, i know arizona ... been there22:07
venomei was just kidding22:07
holyguyver_Czech is to Austria as Arizona is to Mexico.22:07
venomewell...might be22:08
holyguyver_My favorite musical play is wein-Germanic, it is called Tanz der Vampire. I am always translating it for my friends.22:10
bytor4232hey guys, can you take the offtopic conversation to #xubuntu-offtopic please22:11
bytor4232We appreciate it.  We try to keep this channel for support only.22:11
venomesure, sry :)22:11
holyguyver_bytor4232, So do you know how to help me with my SD card?22:11
bytor4232holyguyver_: did you format the card?22:12
bytor4232holyguyver_: it isn't ntfs is it?22:12
holyguyver_bytor4232, No not yet.22:12
holyguyver_bytor4232, my computer can read ntfs as I have ntfs-3g installed.22:13
venomebytor4232: holyguyver_ said his card is woking in his camera, so it is formatted22:13
holyguyver_& it is working well in my camera22:14
holyguyver_But even Windows vista asks me to format the card.22:14
bytor4232holyguyver_: heres what you do22:14
bytor4232holyguyver_: poweroff your machine, let it boot all the way up22:14
holyguyver_done that22:14
bytor4232holyguyver_: after its booted all the way, put the card in your reader, and pastebin the output of dmesg22:15
holyguyver_done that22:15
bytor4232holyguyver_: send all of that in a private message to me.22:15
bytor4232holyguyver_: I'll look it over when I get home tonight.22:16
holyguyver_I pastebinned it to Catoptromancy  & venome22:16
bytor4232holyguyver_: I'll still be online, as I'm on line 24/7, but I'm not always in front of my kbd.22:16
bytor4232holyguyver_: My irc client runs in screen on my primary machine.22:16
bytor4232holyguyver_: I'm commuting, then dinner, but I'll be online after that.22:17
holyguyver_bytor4232, I will try & find where I said all of it to the other two guys & just repost it all to you from earlier, hopefully I wll not turn off my irc befoe you get back :p22:18
Catoptromancy/dev/sda6 on /media/disk type vfat22:18
Catoptromancyheh22:18
Catoptromancyyou only run Vista and Ubuntu22:18
Catoptromancybut you have mysterious vfat partition22:18
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, I don't run vista, it is just on my harddrive as I never deleted that partiition, but I never use it either.22:19
CatoptromancyVista would not be vfat22:19
CatoptromancyWin2000 isnt vfat22:19
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, I have a 1TB external harddrive in ntfs format.22:19
Catoptromancywhat /dev/sda6?22:19
Catoptromancywhats /dev/sda6?22:19
Catoptromancyits vfat22:20
Catoptromancyvfat is most likely format of sdcard22:20
holyguyver_the 1TB is the ontrack22:20
holyguyver_the sd is 2gb22:20
Catoptromancyontrack is /dev/sda122:21
Catoptromancyerr sdb22:21
Catoptromancydev/sda6 on /media/disk type vfat22:21
Catoptromancymount -t vfat /dev/sda6 /mnt/sdcard22:21
Catoptromancytry that22:21
Catoptromancyoh wiat22:22
Catoptromancythatsa already mounted?22:22
holyguyver_Is it?22:22
Catoptromancypastebin is only putput of mount not dmesg22:22
Catoptromancywont hurt to remount twice,22:22
Catoptromancyacxutllay22:22
Catoptromancydont22:22
CatoptromancyI got it22:22
Catoptromancy/dev/sda6 on /media/disk type vfat (22:23
Catoptromancyls /media/disk22:23
Catoptromancyyour sd card is in /media/disk22:23
Catoptromancyi think22:23
holyguyver_Now in my mnt/sdcard folder all I get is a recycle.bin or whatever.22:24
mm_202Hey guys, is there a way to get the mouse pointer to become an hour-glass/watch/whatever when Xubuntu is starting up an app or waiting on something?22:25
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, Is that a good sign?22:33
Catoptromancylook in /media/disk22:33
Catoptromancysomething of vfat format is in there22:33
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, Yes the same recycle.bin folder22:35
Catoptromancytry card again in camera22:35
Catoptromancytake a picture22:35
Catoptromancyand put it back in computer22:35
Catoptromancyafter22:35
holyguyver_Alright Catoptromancy22:38
holyguyver_Nothing changed22:38
holyguyver_I recorded one video & took 2 pictures, but they are not showing up in that mounted valume.22:39
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, ?22:44
Catoptromancycd /media/disk22:44
Catoptromancyls -a22:44
holyguyver_ls -a.  ..  $RECYCLE.BIN22:46
mm_202Hey guys, is there a way to get the mouse pointer to become an hour-glass/watch/whatever when Xubuntu is starting up an app or waiting on something?22:48
Myrttimm_202: it doesn't do that already?22:48
mm_202nope :(22:48
mm_202Thats the only thing that I dont like about it.22:48
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, So the things I recorded are not showing up in there.22:57
holyguyver_But they are showing up in the camera22:58
Catoptromancypastebin whole dmesg22:58
holyguyver_what camand do I do Catoptromancy22:59
Catoptromancydmesg22:59
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, I cannot it was larger then what terminal can hold, I need to do that output into file thing.23:01
holyguyver_But I forgot the cammand to do that.23:01
Catoptromancybash-3.1$ cd ~/23:02
Catoptromancybash-3.1$ dmesg > file23:02
Catoptromancymousepad file heh23:02
holyguyver_So if I want it to go to desktop & be called dmesg.txt I will put what Catoptromancy ?23:03
Catoptromancycd ~/23:04
Catoptromancytakes you to desktop23:04
Catoptromancydmesg > file23:04
Catoptromancydump dmesg into a file called "file"23:05
Catoptromancymousepad file  open the file in mousepad23:05
Catoptromancycd ~/23:05
Catoptromancybash-3.1$ dmesg > dmesg.txt23:05
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/48172/23:07
Catoptromancywhat kind of camera?23:09
Catoptromancybrand model23:09
Catoptromancyits not using a stanrd fat filesystem I guess23:09
Catoptromancy[22919.860649] FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors23:09
Catoptromancy[22919.860655] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdc1.23:09
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, it is adigigr823:10
Catoptromancythat exact name?23:10
holyguyver_no, the a stuck23:11
holyguyver_digigr823:11
holyguyver_that exact name23:11
holyguyver_digigr8 dv 18223:12
holyguyver_digigr8 dv18223:13
holyguyver_That is brand & model23:13
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, so that is it.23:15
Catoptromancymount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard23:17
Catoptromancydunno23:17
Catoptromancygoogle parts of dmesg that relate to the errors23:17
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, it is already mounted remember23:18
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, what errors?23:18
holyguyver_& google doesn;t like you to call it that, it is called web search.23:19
Catoptromancyverb23:20
Catoptromancy1. search the internet (for information) using the Google search engine;23:20
holyguyver_all of the errors I see are USB related & this is not a USB.23:20
Catoptromancylook at bottom23:20
Catoptromancyof pastebin23:20
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, google doesn't like people using that term though because it could void their trademark on the word google, they have asked people to stop using it, & also I am sorry but I only go by dictionaries pre-1900.23:21
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, the only errors I see towards the bottom are errors having to do with Pidgin, ones like this [24017.130116] pidgin[17748] general protection eip:b764e4ac esp:bf916e68 error:023:23
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, I think I found it, would it be the errors that start with the word sd?23:25
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, anything?23:37
Catoptromancyi think your camera uses a modified fat fs23:42
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, my camera says in its manual that it works with Win98/2000/xp/vista, Maz OSX, & Linux 2.1423:45
favroLinux 2.14 is pretty old...23:47
Catoptromancyyou plug sdcard in computer? Can you directly plug camera into computer23:48
holyguyver_Yes23:52
holyguyver_The computer reacts to it same way it does to the card23:53
holyguyver_Catoptromancy, I think I am going to go to bed, I am tired.23:54
DCPomhow do you enable pidgin notification bubbles?23:56
DCPomi did it in ub but when i reinstalled the OS as xub i couldn't figure out hoe23:58
DCPomhow23:58
holyguyver_DCPom, it is a plugin called Giuifications (I misspelled it I am sure)23:59

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