[01:53] <cody-somerville> Please help test Xubuntu alpha candidate: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/xubuntu/all
[02:02] <favro> cody-somerville: is running that in vbox helpful at all?
[02:02] <cody-somerville> sure
[02:02] <favro> :)
[03:21] <Oneword> is there a vnc server in xubuntu by default?
[03:23] <Odd-rationale> Oneword: no note by default...
[03:23] <Odd-rationale> not
[03:23] <Oneword> what package do I need
[03:23] <Odd-rationale> !vnc
[03:26] <Catoptromancy> does that new xubuntu contain gnome libs?
[03:26] <Odd-rationale> Catoptromancy: some, i believe...
[03:26] <Catoptromancy> = (
[03:26] <Catoptromancy> gnome-games?
[03:26] <Catoptromancy> i wish xubuntu was more xfce and less gnome
[03:27] <Oneword> how come ubuntu doesn't see the network card, debian could
[03:29] <Oneword> oh, it does. my fault
[03:30] <Catoptromancy> heh
[03:30] <Catoptromancy> I wonder if its possible to just install xfce4
[03:30] <j1mc> Catoptromancy: you can
[03:30] <Catoptromancy> without xubuntu-desktop
[03:31] <Catoptromancy> install with nothing but base files and apt
[03:31] <j1mc> Catoptromancy: install a command-line system from an alternate install cd, and then just "sudo aptitude install xfce4"
[03:31] <Catoptromancy> ya I thought it was alterante
[03:31] <Catoptromancy> worked awesomely on debian
[03:31] <Catoptromancy> pure xfce, no extra luggage
[03:32] <Catoptromancy> I wish live cd also has "install text console only"
[03:32] <Catoptromancy> live was less than 600 mb, coulda fit
[03:33] <Odd-rationale> Catoptromancy: it comes with totem, gnome-games, etc. so...
[03:33] <Catoptromancy> still coulda fit alot more
[03:33] <Catoptromancy> last time I downloaded xubuntu cd was like 699 mbs
[03:33] <Catoptromancy> just big enough to fit on a cd
[03:34] <favro> it's kinda designed that way :)
[03:34] <Catoptromancy> 8.04 live cd was like 530 or 540 mbs
[03:35] <Catoptromancy> coulda fit complete OOo on it
[03:35] <Odd-rationale> Catoptromancy: yes i think it is possible to install just xfce4. search the repos...
[03:37] <Catoptromancy> yup = )
[03:40] <Oneword> where do I set a proxy for apt-get or package manager?
[03:50] <nclife> hi, any recommendations for a light and good bittorrent client?
[03:51] <favro> rtorrent ftw !
[03:51] <favro> !info rtorrent
[03:52] <nclife> thx
[03:56] <Catoptromancy> heh will need to google that to figure out how to use it
[03:56] <Catoptromancy> but it awesome
[04:24] <favro> there is a wiki and chat for rtorrent
[04:24] <favro> http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/wiki/RTorrentCommonTasks and #rtorrent
[04:48] <nclife> thanks
[04:51] <Oneword> how do I enable remote remote desktop on xubuntu?>
[04:57] <filipegatti> I'm creating some Launchers and I want them to have the icon of the application. Where do Xubuntu store Icons?
[05:01] <favro> /usr/share/pixmaps or icons normally
[05:06] <filipegatti> there it was, thanks favro (again!)
[05:07] <favro> filipegatti: np :)
[05:52] <Sunborn1> hey, I have been looking around the boards but I am wondering if anyone has tried to put xubuntu on a 32MB ram 200 mhz machine, even though the alternate install recommends 64 MB
[05:54] <favro> I'm running a minimal install and it needs 40mb just to get to the desktop
[05:55] <favro> puppy or damn small linux might be better alternatives
[05:55] <sunborn> yuck, ok
[05:55] <sunborn> thanks
[05:56] <sunborn> might as well stay with win95 than that
[05:56] <sunborn> ubuntu has spoiled me
[05:56] <favro> I had a dapper minimal with fluxbox and with no wallpaper it only used 28mb to get to the desktop
[05:58] <sunborn> I could see if there is some ram for this old box floating around on ebay
[05:59] <sunborn> I am thinking would 4 MB be enough to do anything else other than run the box?
[05:59] <favro> I have some spare 32mb sdram - where are you?
[05:59] <sunborn> Canada
[06:00] <sunborn> in the middle of nowhere northern canada
[06:00] <favro> other side of the globe in australia here :)
[06:00] <sunborn> which would explain why you are still up
[06:01] <favro> 3pm it is
[06:02] <sunborn> bah if I wanted to put more ram in, I would have to figure out what clock speed the ram in there is at. I think it would be too much work
[06:03] <favro> hehe
[06:06] <sunborn> well I will consider it thanks for the info favro, have a good rest of the day
[06:06] <favro> see ya :)
[07:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> can i change the window manager on xfce to open box?
[07:54] <favro> to use compiz with xfce the command is   compiz --replace   I wonder if that'll work with openbox...
[07:54] <favro> openbox --replace   ?
[08:05] <Catoptromancy> xinitrc
[08:05] <Catoptromancy> !xinitrc
[08:29] <CostaRicanQuaker> favro, how do you mean the command is? do i type that into a terminal?
[08:29] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i add compiz to xfce? does it run as fast as without it?
[08:30] <favro> compiz is heavy on the system
[08:30] <favro> and I was more thinking out loud then suggesting - sorry
[08:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> how about changing the window manager to fluxbox?
[08:31] <favro> CostaRicanQuaker: you can use any wm you want - but prob not in xfce
[08:31] <favro> normally you install openbox and select it at login from options
[08:32] <CostaRicanQuaker> why not? i found this: http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Help:XFCE/Openbox
[08:32] <favro> I prefer fluxbox myself
[08:32] <favro> CostaRicanQuaker: I said prob not - if that link is something you want to try then go ahead?
[08:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do you "save session"?=
[08:35] <favro> it's in the settings manager under login
[08:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok thanks
[08:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> brb
[11:07] <craxie> Why is Kubuntu always behind you? Are you more integrated with the main distro or are you just quicker?
[13:50] <cody-somerville> Hello. Please help test the Xubuntu Intrepid Alpha 6 candidate by visiting http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com
[14:57] <gorebeh> Hi, I want to keep the right click functionality from the default install of xubuntu (create shortcuts) but i would also like to be able to make the xfce4-menu appear at the pointer when i press a certain keycombo, is this possible?
[14:58] <cody-somerville> gorebeh, probably not
[14:59] <gorebeh> cody-somerville: at the moment when i press the key combo it launches the menu from whatever pannel its attached to, is there no way to launch it if its not attached to a pannel?
[15:00] <cody-somerville> I'm afraid I don't do anything fancy with my xfce4 install :P
[15:00] <gorebeh> cody-somerville: cool nps :) mabe ill cheat somehow with a hidden menu or something
[15:00] <cody-somerville> :]
[15:08] <ron_o> can one upgrade from dapper to the latest?
[15:08] <Myrtti> yes, you should be able to
[15:09] <cody-somerville> latest being 8.04 :]
[15:12] <robert__> Hi everyone, I have a problem=( I have lost my gnome-panel I cant get it back, (Menybar) pls help im new with Linux
[15:15] <Myrtti> robert__: gnome-panel or xfce4-panel?
[15:15] <Myrtti> are you on gnome or in xfce4?
[15:16] <robert__> Myrtti, im not sure im a beginner =) But i think its xfce4
[15:17] <Myrtti> did you have brown-n-orange ubuntu logo on the panel or a cute blue mouse?
[15:17] <robert__> a blue mouse i think
[15:18] <Myrtti> then you can get the panel back with alt-f2 and typing xfce4-panel on the run prompt.
[15:19] <robert__> Myrtti You are my hero =( thanks alot m8
[15:19] <robert__> =)
[15:19] <Myrtti> oh my gawd, a deja vu
[15:19] <robert__> hehe Okey thx =)
[15:19] <Myrtti> erhm. right.
[15:19] <Myrtti> no probs.
[15:21] <Myrtti> didn't have the heart to correct him...
[15:21] <Myrtti> back to business...
[15:22] <CostaRicanQuaker> can someone help me set up thunderbird, i am at the stage where the dialogue says incoming/outgoing server if pop/imap is checked, i clicked on my connection details and can't find anything other than the following data: ip address, broadcast address, subnet mask, default route, primary dns. secondary dns, they're all numbers, whihc do i have to enter in the outgoing incoming slots?
[15:24] <Myrtti> you can't figure them out from those unless you're super wizard
[15:24] <Myrtti> incoming/outcoming information is given to you by your ISP or email service provider.
[15:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> how do i figure them out then?
[15:24] <Myrtti> for instance, google mail has its own.
[15:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> the account i want to set up is a ymail/gmail account
[15:24] <CostaRicanQuaker> so what do i have to do?
[15:25] <Myrtti> hold on...
[15:26] <Myrtti> CostaRicanQuaker: check https://mail.google.com/mail/#settings/fwdandpop first
[15:26] <Myrtti> check that imap is enabled
[15:27] <Myrtti> CostaRicanQuaker: and then follow http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=77662
[15:28] <CostaRicanQuaker> and for ymail?
[15:30] <Myrtti> for ymail http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/mailplus/pop/pop-35.html and http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/yahoomail/mailplus/pop/pop-14.html
[15:30] <CostaRicanQuaker> can i have several different accounts on thunderbird like can i have both the ymail and gmail set up?
[15:32] <Myrtti> sure
[15:33] <CostaRicanQuaker> how so?
[15:34] <CostaRicanQuaker> i just finished setting up for gmail
[15:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> and it has a loading bar, it says connecting
[15:35] <Myrtti> I use claws-mail myself so I can't remember the details :-<
[15:35] <CostaRicanQuaker> what distro are you on?
[15:35] <Myrtti> but it should be quite straightforward
[15:35] <Myrtti> xubuntu
[15:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> what's claws mail? i haven't seen it on xubuntu
[15:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> waht's the diffference from say kmail and why do you like it
[15:36] <CostaRicanQuaker> connection timed out
[15:36] <Myrtti> I think claws-mail is lighter to run than thunderbird - and it's gtk
[15:36] <Myrtti> unlike kmail
[15:37] <Myrtti> you can add accounts to thunderbird with Edit - Account settings
[15:37] <TheSheep> and it's not that ugly, once you install the Tango theme
[15:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> sudo aptitude install claws-mail?
[15:38] <Myrtti> yup
[15:38] <CostaRicanQuaker> please wait
[15:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> Myrtti, ok i just got claws mail
[15:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> now what do i do to set up the ymail account
[15:42] <CostaRicanQuaker> i mean i see that link you gave me
[15:43] <CostaRicanQuaker> the username on claws
[15:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> does it correspond to either "account/name/login" from the page you linked
[15:44] <CostaRicanQuaker> or e-mail address?
[15:44] <Myrtti> user id yes.
[15:44] <Myrtti> full name is your full name
[15:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> username though
[15:45] <CostaRicanQuaker> on the claws thing
[15:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok i just set it up
[15:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> but as soon as i clicked on get mail
[15:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> it said error connection to plus.smtp.mail.yahoo.com
[15:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> failed
[15:47] <CostaRicanQuaker> what do i do? what did i do wrong?
[15:48] <Myrtti> do you have paid yahoomail plus account?
[15:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> no
[15:49] <Myrtti> have you gotten yahoo mail to work in other clients than the webmail before?
[15:49] <CostaRicanQuaker> do you have to to be able to open ymail on a program like claws-mail? what about thunderbird and gmail?
[15:50] <CostaRicanQuaker> thunderbird keeps trying to connect adn then it times out
[15:58] <Myrtti> are you sure you've got the ports correctly?
[15:58] <Myrtti> and the username?
[16:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> ok i just set up the gmail one
[16:00] <CostaRicanQuaker> and that one's working
[16:01] <CostaRicanQuaker> do you have to have a  paid for account for the ymail one to work on pop tho?
[16:10] <Myrtti> oh, he left just as I was going to answer him
[18:07] <Danu> Hi i really need help, i just install xubuntu-dektop, and i'm confuse
[18:07] <Myrtti> oh?
[18:11] <zoredache> Danu: perhaps you could tell us what you are confused about...
[18:12] <Danu> everything!, for example how do i change themes?
[18:13] <Danu> please
[18:14] <zoredache> !xfce-themes | Danu
[18:15] <Danu> but i already have the .themes folder (because i have gnome too)
[18:15] <zoredache> and?
[18:16] <Danu> and where do i change them?
[18:16] <Myrtti> Danu: Applications - Settings - Settings Manager
[18:16] <Myrtti> User interface
[18:17] <Myrtti> wasn't that hard, now was it? :-)
[18:18] <Danu> sorry a lot but i don't see it :(
[18:19] <Danu> ups now i do =) thenks
[18:20] <Danu> and now how do i apply it?
[18:21] <Myrtti> you did unpack the theme to the .themes directory, right?
[18:21] <Danu> yes
[18:22] <Danu> another thing, sorry the bother but, i have in the applications menu wien icons in "others"
[18:23] <Myrtti> *blink*
[18:24] <Myrtti> whut?
[18:26] <Danu> wine*
[18:26] <Myrtti> yes?
[18:28] <Danu> all the icons of applications that i uninstall a long time ago are in "others"
[18:37] <Danu> bye thenks anyway
[18:40] <armornick> hey guys, how much faster is xfce than gnome?
[19:04] <PsynoKhi0> where could I find some info about the storage device management in hardy and later versions? (e.g. the standardised /dev/sdx naming scheme and what this incurs)
[19:14] <dreamy> hi anyone around?
[19:14] <dreamy> i require assistance in mounting fat32
[19:19] <dreamy> anyone?
[19:19] <Myrtti> sure
[19:21] <dreamy> i have a dual boot system windows and xubuntu
[19:22] <Myrtti> ok
[19:22] <dreamy> c: d:(which is fat32 so that i can share between windows and xubuntu)
[19:23] <dreamy> i notice that unlike ubuntu, the d drive does not auto mount
[19:24] <dreamy> i have been looking through the forums but can't seem to figure out what command line am i to use
[19:24] <dreamy> sorry....i'm pretty much a noob with linux
[19:25] <Myrtti> hmmm.
[19:28] <PsynoKhi0> dreamy: that would be the mount command
[19:28] <PsynoKhi0> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/mounting-windows-partition-onto-ubuntu-linux/
[19:29] <PsynoKhi0> if you want to make it persistent you need to edit the fstab file in your /etc directory
[19:32] <dreamy> ok
[19:32] <dreamy> should i follow this command from the webbie
[19:32] <dreamy> # sudo  mount  -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222 /dev/hdb1 /media/c
[19:32] <PsynoKhi0> almost
[19:33] <dreamy> but change my ntfs to fat32
[19:33] <PsynoKhi0> vfat
[19:33] <dreamy> and change ﻿hdb1 to my drive name
[19:33] <dreamy> oh ok
[19:33] <PsynoKhi0> but
[19:33] <PsynoKhi0> have you run fdisk -l?
[19:33] <dreamy> yep
[19:34] <dreamy> ohh
[19:35] <dreamy> i see it now
[19:35] <PsynoKhi0> what the outpout for your fat32 partition?
[19:35] <PsynoKhi0> output*
[19:35] <dreamy> its further down the webbie
[19:35] <PsynoKhi0> yep, read the whole thing ;) you don't want to mess up data or worse
[19:35] <dreamy> yeah that's all my sch work
[19:35] <dreamy> else i'll be dead
[19:36] <dreamy>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[19:36] <dreamy> /dev/sda1   *           1        4865    39078081    7  HPFS/NTFS
[19:36] <dreamy> /dev/sda2            4866        9729    39070080    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[19:36] <dreamy> /dev/sda5            4866        6162    10418121    b  W95 FAT32
[19:36] <dreamy> /dev/sda6            6163        6466     2441848+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
[19:36] <dreamy> /dev/sda7            6467        9729    26210016   83  Linux
[19:37] <PsynoKhi0> oy oy oy oy...
[19:37] <PsynoKhi0> more than 3 rows, please use the pastebin
[19:38] <dreamy> oops
[19:38] <dreamy> sorry
[19:38] <dreamy> :/
[19:38] <PsynoKhi0> http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[19:38] <PsynoKhi0> so it's sda5, right?
[19:39] <dreamy> yep
[19:39] <dreamy> sweet
[19:39] <dreamy> its mounted
[19:39] <dreamy> :)
[19:39] <PsynoKhi0> neat
[19:40] <dreamy> thanks!!!but how do i make it ﻿persistent?
[19:40] <PsynoKhi0> to be on the safe side, I'd only read data fron that partition for now
[19:40] <PsynoKhi0> i.e. no writes
[19:40] <dreamy> oh?
[19:41] <dreamy> why not?i thought it was interchangable?
[19:42] <PsynoKhi0> I've never played around with fat32 partitions myself in linux, only NTFS ones, and not so long ago, writing to those was kind of risky... I don't want to tell you stuff I'm not 100% sure of
[19:43] <PsynoKhi0> that's all, might be all good but I can't give you my word :)
[19:43] <PsynoKhi0> look for more info or ask someone more knowledgeable than I
[19:44] <dreamy> ohh...okok....thanks dude.
[19:44] <PsynoKhi0> np
[19:45] <PsynoKhi0> as for making it persistent
[19:46] <PsynoKhi0> could you please paste your fstab (/etc/fstab) in the pastebin and drop the URL to the output here?
[19:46] <PsynoKhi0> e.g.
[19:47] <PsynoKhi0> mousepad /etc/fstab
[19:47] <PsynoKhi0> copy/paste
[19:50] <dreamy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/48115/
[19:51] <PsynoKhi0> ok
[19:52] <PsynoKhi0> what was the command you typed to mount your partition? could you paste the whole string here?
[19:54] <dreamy> sudo mount -t vfat -o iocharset=utf8,umask=000 /dev/sda5 /media/d
[19:56] <saiki> what is the sound configuration utility for xubuntu?
[19:59] <PsynoKhi0> dreamy: in a terminal type
[20:00] <PsynoKhi0> sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.bak && sudo mousepad /etc/fstab
[20:00] <PsynoKhi0> that will make a backup of your current file and open it in the tet editor with super user privileges (need to edit it)
[20:00] <dreamy> done
[20:00] <PsynoKhi0> tet = text
[20:01] <dreamy> ok
[20:02] <Myrtti> PsynoKhi0: GKSUDO
[20:02] <PsynoKhi0> do you have the file in front of you, with a red row above it Waring you're using super user blablabla?
[20:02]  * Myrtti larts PsynoKhi0 for opening mousepad with sudo
[20:03] <dreamy> yep
[20:03] <dreamy> i have that
[20:04] <PsynoKhi0> ok, now add a line at the bottom so it looks like this:
[20:04] <PsynoKhi0> http://paste.ubuntu.com/48120/
[20:04] <PsynoKhi0> then save and exit the text editor
[20:04] <dreamy> i add line 10?
[20:04] <PsynoKhi0> yep
[20:05] <dreamy> kk
[20:05] <dreamy> alright
[20:05] <dreamy> done
[20:05] <PsynoKhi0> save and exit
[20:06] <dreamy> ok
[20:06] <PsynoKhi0> then if you want to check it worked, rebbot the compy
[20:06] <PsynoKhi0> reboot*
[20:06]  * PsynoKhi0 now flees
[20:08] <saiki> what is the sound configuration utility for xubuntu?
[20:08] <dreamy> lol
[20:08] <dreamy> okok
[20:08] <dreamy> i reboot
[20:08] <PsynoKhi0> alsamixer you mean?
[20:08] <dreamy> thanks
[20:08] <PsynoKhi0> np
[20:10] <saiki> PsynoKhi0: that seems to only control alsa, I need all of them. because I can't get some things to work
[20:11] <PsynoKhi0> all of them what?
[20:11] <PsynoKhi0> hardware settings?
[20:13] <PsynoKhi0> do you need to increase input volume to a micrphone, that kind of stuff?
[20:14] <saiki> I need to change default as well
[20:14] <saiki> alsa doesn't seem to control my webcam
[20:14] <saiki> which has a mic
[20:15] <saiki> Slvoice isn't connecting to everyone else, just me. Skype refuses to play audio (in or out)
[20:16] <PsynoKhi0> nt using xfce right now, though if you go through the volume applet (speaker icon) on top right corner
[20:17] <PsynoKhi0> there should be omething in the line Open ontrol panel
[20:17] <saiki> there isn't one
[20:18] <saiki> on live it had one, no it doesn't
[20:18] <saiki> now*
[20:18] <PsynoKhi0> then right click on the top panel (random free space) and choose Add item
[20:20] <PsynoKhi0> there should be a Mixer applet in the list
[20:20] <saiki> mymixer doesn't tetect my webcam as an audio source
[20:21] <PsynoKhi0> nothing under View > Manage?
[20:24] <dreamy> hey PsynoKhio
[20:24] <dreamy> it worked
[20:24] <dreamy> :)
[20:24] <PsynoKhi0> cool :)
[20:24] <dreamy> thanks dude
[20:24] <PsynoKhi0> np *hugs google*
[20:24] <PsynoKhi0> :D
[20:24] <dreamy> hehe
[20:25] <dreamy> i want to try chrome on linux
[20:25] <PsynoKhi0> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/mountwindows
[20:25] <PsynoKhi0> ^^
[20:25] <PsynoKhi0> that works through wine if I remember correctly
[20:26] <Yashy> help! My nvidia driver seems to have gone awol, I'm stuck using VESA in 800x600   http://pastebin.com/m1df0dbb
[20:26] <dreamy> yep...it does
[20:27] <dreamy> thank god for wine
[20:28] <PsynoKhi0> you're gonna need the latest version though, there are instructions on winehq.org to get it through Synaptics
[20:29] <PsynoKhi0> Yashy: tried Envy to install the driver?
[20:30] <PsynoKhi0> it's in the repo (as long as you have universe and multivers enabled)'
[20:31] <PsynoKhi0> bye
[20:32] <saiki> Yashy: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[20:54] <holyguyver_> My computer is not reading or even mounting my SD flash memory card, shouldn't it be able to?
[20:54] <Myrtti> that is totally dependant on whether your computer has hardware that is supported
[20:55] <holyguyver_> I did an ls /dev/sd* if that helps
[20:55] <holyguyver_> /dev/sda   /dev/sda2  /dev/sda4  /dev/sda6  /dev/sdb1  /dev/sdc1  /dev/sde /dev/sda1  /dev/sda3  /dev/sda5  /dev/sdb   /dev/sdc   /dev/sdd   /dev/sdf
[20:56] <Myrtti> no, it really doesn't help
[20:56] <holyguyver_> Well do you know anything that would help us find out?
[20:56] <Myrtti> what happens if you type "dmesg | tail -f" into terminal and plug the SD flash memory in the computer?
[20:58] <venome> holyguyver_:  looks like you've got several devices that lack partitions
[20:59] <holyguyver_> Myrtti, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/48143/
[20:59] <venome> holyguyver_: so it's the sdc1 partition
[20:59] <holyguyver_> venome, I guess, I do not know.
[21:00] <venome> holyguyver_: 've you tried mount /dev/sdc1 /media/cdrom for example
[21:00] <venome> (from console)
[21:00] <venome> (or i can let Myrtti explain it :) )
[21:01] <holyguyver_> venome trhat thing at the bottom appeared in the terminal before I put in the sd card.
[21:01] <Myrtti> venome: go ahead, I'm trying to procrastinate work too much and IRC is doing a pretty good job with it
[21:01] <venome> ok, i see :)
[21:01] <zoredache> if the device is connected do a 'sfdisk -l' perhaps?  See if you see the filesystem you are looking for
[21:02] <holyguyver_> venome, "[21882.086614]  sdc: sdc1" appeared before I attached the card.
[21:02] <Myrtti> and what happens when you insert the card?
[21:02] <holyguyver_> Myrtti, no response
[21:02] <venome> holyguyver_: ok, so that means it is not related to the card issue
[21:03] <venome> then you most likely do not have the drivers (modules) for the card reader hardware
[21:03] <holyguyver_> venome but here is where it gets stranger.
[21:04] <venome> holyguyver_: do you know what brand is your card reader? is it a notebook one?
[21:05] <holyguyver_> I purchased this computer from the factory with the flash card reader as a normal factory pre-installed hardware that normally comes with the computer, & the computer originally came with MS Vista, well I even then logged out of my Linux distro & back into vista & even vista is giving the same respnse that Linux did.
[21:06] <venome> holyguyver_: what size is your card?
[21:06] <venome> holyguyver_: haven't you put you vista into 'hibernate' mode?
[21:07] <venome> holyguyver_: (that could cause a series of troubles)
[21:07] <holyguyver_> venome, I don't know if the flash card is for notebooks, my mother purchased it. I already said several times that it is a SD card, but I have yet to say it is by SanDisk & it is 2GBs.
[21:07] <venome> holyguyver_: so unless you've got another 2GBs drive, sdc1 is the flash
[21:08] <holyguyver_> venome, No I have never put my vista into hibernate mode because this is only the second time I have booted into vista in the year & a half that I have owned this computer. When I got it the first thing I did was install Linux.
[21:08] <venome> holyguyver_: all right, i think it must be the sdc1 device that is the flash partition
[21:10] <holyguyver_> No I do not have another 2 GB partisition, but how did you know other then when I said it, that it was 2GBs?
[21:10] <venome> holyguyver_: its in the dmesg ...
[21:11] <holyguyver_> Well it is refusing to let me mount it both in Linux & Vista.
[21:12] <venome> holyguyver_: well, and the sdc gets mounted?
[21:12] <holyguyver_> What would the SDC be?
[21:12] <Catoptromancy> how doe it refuse? how are you mounting?
[21:12] <venome> holyguyver_ : it might be because it's not formatted
[21:12] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, I am going to the file manager & right clicking & telling it to mount.
[21:13] <Catoptromancy> manually try to mounr
[21:13] <Catoptromancy> mount
[21:13] <holyguyver_> venome, If I format it will it still work with the digital camera that I am using it in?
[21:14] <holyguyver_> cat I do not know hot to manually mount, I do not know the cammand, but I mean I was manually mounting it using the GUI.
[21:14] <Catoptromancy> mount -t msdosfs /dev/sdc1 /mnt/somedirectory
[21:14] <holyguyver_> somedirectory?
[21:14] <Catoptromancy> make sure its dev sdc1  and find an empty directory in /mnt
[21:15] <holyguyver_> How would I find an empty directory?
[21:15] <Catoptromancy> see if anything is in it
[21:15] <Catoptromancy> or mkdir /mnt.sdcard
[21:15] <Catoptromancy> err
[21:15] <Catoptromancy> or mkdir /mnt/sdcard
[21:15] <Catoptromancy> and
[21:15] <Catoptromancy> mount -t msdosfs /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard
[21:16] <holyguyver_> mount -t msdosfs /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard
[21:16] <holyguyver_> mount: mount point /mnt/sdcard does not exist
[21:17] <Catoptromancy> mkdir /mnt/sdcard
[21:17] <Catoptromancy> that mkdir = makes directory
[21:18] <Catoptromancy> if that command doesnt work
[21:18] <Catoptromancy> mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard
[21:18] <Catoptromancy> probably heh
[21:19] <holyguyver_> jack-desktop jack # mkdir /mnt/sdcard mount -t msdosfs /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard mount: unknown filesystem type 'msdosfs'
[21:19] <Catoptromancy> try vfat
[21:19] <Catoptromancy> maybe auto?
[21:19] <Catoptromancy> mount -t auto /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard
[21:19] <holyguyver_> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[21:19] <Catoptromancy> woah
[21:19] <Catoptromancy> dont put all that on one line
[21:20] <Catoptromancy> mkdir and mount are sepreate commands
[21:20] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, I didn't put it all on one line
[21:20] <Catoptromancy> ok heh
[21:20] <holyguyver_> I made it into one line here so I didn't have to pastebin it.
[21:20] <Catoptromancy> cat /sbin
[21:20] <Catoptromancy> dont paste
[21:20] <Catoptromancy> look for mount_anything commands
[21:20] <Catoptromancy> look for sopmething that seems MS compatible
[21:20] <Catoptromancy> that shoulds mount an CD card
[21:21] <holyguyver_> mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1,   missing codepage or helper program, or other error  In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try  dmesg | tail  or so
[21:22] <holyguyver_> venome, you never answered me, if I format it will it still work with the digital camera?
[21:23] <Catoptromancy> see if its really sdc1
[21:23] <Catoptromancy> bash-3.1$ dmesg|grep /dev/sd
[21:23] <holyguyver_> bash: bash-3.1$: command not found
[21:23] <Catoptromancy> heh
[21:23] <Catoptromancy> dmesg|grep /dev/sd
[21:23] <venome> holyguyver_: sorry, i thought Catoptromancy's answered your questions.... depends on what type of filesystem you camera expects
[21:24] <venome> it's most likely fat16 or fat32
[21:24] <venome> ... does the flash card work in your camera?
[21:24] <venome> (now)
[21:24] <Catoptromancy> mount -t fat32 /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard  ?
[21:24] <holyguyver_> [    0.000000] Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda2 ro quiet splash[  127.855266] Adding 5686968k swap on /dev/sda5.  Priority:-1 extents:1 across:5686968k
[21:24] <Catoptromancy> but i dont think its /dev/sdc1
[21:24] <holyguyver_> Yes the flash card does work in my camera.
[21:24] <Catoptromancy> dmesg|grep /dev/
[21:25] <Catoptromancy> try that
[21:25] <Catoptromancy> itll be longer, but pickout where sd card will be
[21:25] <holyguyver_> [    0.000000] Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda2 ro quiet splash[  127.855266] Adding 5686968k swap on /dev/sda5.  Priority:-1 extents:1 across:5686968k
[21:25] <holyguyver_> It was not longer
[21:26] <Catoptromancy> your system cant find card. Are you sure its properly in computer?
[21:26] <Catoptromancy> mine has lights that come on
[21:26] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, yes the little green light is on.
[21:26] <venome> holyguyver_: well .... try ls /dev/hd* /dev/sd* BEFORE you plugin the card
[21:26] <venome> holyguyver_: and then do the same after you plug it in
[21:27] <holyguyver_> Without card
[21:27] <holyguyver_> ls /dev/hd* /dev/sd*
[21:27] <holyguyver_> ls: cannot access /dev/hd*: No such file or directory /dev/sda   /dev/sda2  /dev/sda4  /dev/sda6  /dev/sdb1  /dev/sdd  /dev/sdf /dev/sda1  /dev/sda3  /dev/sda5  /dev/sdb   /dev/sdc   /dev/sde
[21:28] <holyguyver_> With card
[21:28] <holyguyver_> ls: cannot access /dev/hd*: No such file or directory /dev/sda   /dev/sda2  /dev/sda4  /dev/sda6  /dev/sdb1  /dev/sdc1  /dev/sde /dev/sda1  /dev/sda3  /dev/sda5  /dev/sdb   /dev/sdc   /dev/sdd   /dev/sdf
[21:29] <holyguyver_> venome, that good?
[21:30] <venome> holyguyver_: according to what you post, it must be the sdc1
[21:30] <venome> or sdf
[21:30] <venome> but definately some strange things are happening, cause many devices appear and disappear
[21:31] <venome> did the mount /dev/sdc1 /media/cdrom work for you?
[21:31] <holyguyver_> I told you there was a strange part :p
[21:31] <holyguyver_> venome, But I do not have anything in my CDROM drive at the moment.
[21:32] <holyguyver_> Also remember this same problem is happening on Vista.
[21:33] <Catoptromancy> try another cd card?
[21:33] <Catoptromancy> sd
[21:34] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, what is a CD card?
[21:34] <Catoptromancy> try another sd card?
[21:34] <venome> holyguyver_: yep, but i say /media/cdrom because that device should exist by default in your system
[21:34] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, This is the only SD card I own, my mother just purchased it for me yesterday for my cameras which I got yesterday.
[21:34] <venome> holyguyver_: so we dont have to deal with that issue on separate :D
[21:35] <holyguyver_> venome, My CDROM works fine, even plays DVDs.
[21:38] <holyguyver_> I feel alone now. I must have scared everyone away.
[21:38] <venome> holyguyver_: don't care about the cd rom
[21:39] <holyguyver_> venome, we already created the mnt/sdcard remember.
[21:39] <venome> yea?
[21:39] <venome> and when you do ls /mnt/sdcard?
[21:40] <venome> (sorry, I'm on several channels and I can hardly read all the messages :) )
[21:40] <holyguyver_> Yes we did at the beginning of this Catoptromancy could vouch for it. I will do the ls for it now.
[21:40] <Catoptromancy> I dont think /dev/sdc1 is there
[21:40] <Catoptromancy> or machine isnt reading it at all, nothing to mount
[21:41] <holyguyver_> jack-desktop jack # ls /mnt/sdcard
[21:41] <holyguyver_> jack-desktop jack #
[21:41] <holyguyver_> I have been told that with unix cammands that if it doesn't say anything that thatn means all went well.
[21:42] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, If it isn't reading it at all then how did you guys know besides when I said it that it was 2GBs?
[21:43] <venome> holyguyver_: well, you might try 'mount -l'
[21:43] <venome> and see if there's the /dev/sdc1 listed ...
[21:43] <holyguyver_> venome,  Catoptromancy http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/48154/
[21:45] <venome> ok, sdc is not there
[21:48] <holyguyver_> venome, Alright, so what does that mean?
[21:48] <holyguyver_> & yes the card is plugged in
[21:49] <venome> this means that the card is not mouned
[21:49] <venome> mounted = you can't see it's contents
[21:50] <venome> but the device itself might exist
[21:50] <venome> 've you tried the mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard?
[21:52] <holyguyver_> venome, Yes, you where here for that & the very first thing I said isd that the computer was refusing to mount the card.
[21:53] <venome> right, so it says you've got to specify the file system, right?
[21:54] <holyguyver_> mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc1,   missing codepage or helper program, or other error  In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try  dmesg | tail  or so
[21:54] <holyguyver_> That is what I said a half hour ago
[21:55] <holyguyver_> & when we did auto it told us to specify.
[21:55] <venome> ok ok
[21:55] <holyguyver_> But even windows Vista responds the same, Windows vista asks me to reformat the drive.
[21:55] <venome> its too late for me to think about that ... :)
[21:56] <venome> it might be a hardware failure
[21:56] <bytor4232> hm.
[21:56] <holyguyver_> venome, it is only 2 in the afternoon
[21:56] <bytor4232> I need to figure out why hotkeys is running in memory, yet not running.
[21:56] <venome> in my country its midnight :D
[21:56] <holyguyver_> venome, My mother just bought the card yesterday & this is the first time I have ever used my memory card reader.
[21:56] <venome> (i just came back from a pub ;) )
[21:57] <bytor4232> In soviet russia, night mids you!
[21:57] <venome> well, thankfully i'm from a country more to the west than russia :)
[21:57] <holyguyver_> venome, Gute Nacht
[21:57] <venome> danke :D
[21:57] <venome> aber noch nicht
[21:58] <holyguyver_> venome, I live in Arizona USA but took German in high school & love the langauge & the country.
[21:59] <venome> yep, I'm not german, but 'd like to go to usa ... :) just checked Las Vegas on the street view maps.google.com and it about 80 F there ... we are almost freezing here :D
[22:00] <holyguyver_> Dutch?
[22:00] <venome> never mind ... i suggest you try the card in another computer to be sure it works all right
[22:00] <venome> nope :)
[22:00] <venome> czech
[22:00] <holyguyver_> Well you are close to Russia then?
[22:00] <venome> no :)
[22:01] <venome> we are next to germany
[22:01] <holyguyver_> Closer then I am :p
[22:01] <venome> well, yea ...
[22:01] <holyguyver_> Austria & Poland are close to Germany.
[22:01] <venome> we are between austria and poland :D
[22:01] <venome> check eg. google earth
[22:02] <holyguyver_> Good to know, I don't know how I could have skipped Czech on my map :p
[22:02] <venome> hehe
[22:02] <holyguyver_> I love Austria too, & I have a friend who lives in Poland.
[22:05] <holyguyver_> weiner ist gut
[22:05] <venome> !arizona | holyguywer_
[22:06] <venome> alles ist gut rund hier :D
[22:06] <holyguyver_> venome, Arizona ist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona
[22:07] <venome> yea, i know arizona ... been there
[22:07] <venome> i was just kidding
[22:07] <holyguyver_> Czech is to Austria as Arizona is to Mexico.
[22:08] <venome> well...might be
[22:10] <holyguyver_> My favorite musical play is wein-Germanic, it is called Tanz der Vampire. I am always translating it for my friends.
[22:11] <bytor4232> hey guys, can you take the offtopic conversation to #xubuntu-offtopic please
[22:11] <bytor4232> We appreciate it.  We try to keep this channel for support only.
[22:11] <venome> sure, sry :)
[22:11] <holyguyver_> bytor4232, So do you know how to help me with my SD card?
[22:12] <bytor4232> holyguyver_: did you format the card?
[22:12] <bytor4232> holyguyver_: it isn't ntfs is it?
[22:12] <holyguyver_> bytor4232, No not yet.
[22:13] <holyguyver_> bytor4232, my computer can read ntfs as I have ntfs-3g installed.
[22:13] <venome> bytor4232: holyguyver_ said his card is woking in his camera, so it is formatted
[22:14] <holyguyver_> & it is working well in my camera
[22:14] <holyguyver_> But even Windows vista asks me to format the card.
[22:14] <bytor4232> holyguyver_: heres what you do
[22:14] <bytor4232> holyguyver_: poweroff your machine, let it boot all the way up
[22:14] <holyguyver_> done that
[22:15] <bytor4232> holyguyver_: after its booted all the way, put the card in your reader, and pastebin the output of dmesg
[22:15] <holyguyver_> done that
[22:15] <bytor4232> holyguyver_: send all of that in a private message to me.
[22:16] <bytor4232> holyguyver_: I'll look it over when I get home tonight.
[22:16] <holyguyver_> I pastebinned it to Catoptromancy  & venome
[22:16] <bytor4232> holyguyver_: I'll still be online, as I'm on line 24/7, but I'm not always in front of my kbd.
[22:16] <bytor4232> holyguyver_: My irc client runs in screen on my primary machine.
[22:17] <bytor4232> holyguyver_: I'm commuting, then dinner, but I'll be online after that.
[22:18] <holyguyver_> bytor4232, I will try & find where I said all of it to the other two guys & just repost it all to you from earlier, hopefully I wll not turn off my irc befoe you get back :p
[22:18] <Catoptromancy> /dev/sda6 on /media/disk type vfat
[22:18] <Catoptromancy> heh
[22:18] <Catoptromancy> you only run Vista and Ubuntu
[22:18] <Catoptromancy> but you have mysterious vfat partition
[22:19] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, I don't run vista, it is just on my harddrive as I never deleted that partiition, but I never use it either.
[22:19] <Catoptromancy> Vista would not be vfat
[22:19] <Catoptromancy> Win2000 isnt vfat
[22:19] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, I have a 1TB external harddrive in ntfs format.
[22:19] <Catoptromancy> what /dev/sda6?
[22:19] <Catoptromancy> whats /dev/sda6?
[22:20] <Catoptromancy> its vfat
[22:20] <Catoptromancy> vfat is most likely format of sdcard
[22:20] <holyguyver_> the 1TB is the ontrack
[22:20] <holyguyver_> the sd is 2gb
[22:21] <Catoptromancy> ontrack is /dev/sda1
[22:21] <Catoptromancy> err sdb
[22:21] <Catoptromancy> dev/sda6 on /media/disk type vfat
[22:21] <Catoptromancy> mount -t vfat /dev/sda6 /mnt/sdcard
[22:21] <Catoptromancy> try that
[22:22] <Catoptromancy> oh wiat
[22:22] <Catoptromancy> thatsa already mounted?
[22:22] <holyguyver_> Is it?
[22:22] <Catoptromancy> pastebin is only putput of mount not dmesg
[22:22] <Catoptromancy> wont hurt to remount twice,
[22:22] <Catoptromancy> acxutllay
[22:22] <Catoptromancy> dont
[22:22] <Catoptromancy> I got it
[22:23] <Catoptromancy> /dev/sda6 on /media/disk type vfat (
[22:23] <Catoptromancy> ls /media/disk
[22:23] <Catoptromancy> your sd card is in /media/disk
[22:23] <Catoptromancy> i think
[22:24] <holyguyver_> Now in my mnt/sdcard folder all I get is a recycle.bin or whatever.
[22:25] <mm_202> Hey guys, is there a way to get the mouse pointer to become an hour-glass/watch/whatever when Xubuntu is starting up an app or waiting on something?
[22:33] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, Is that a good sign?
[22:33] <Catoptromancy> look in /media/disk
[22:33] <Catoptromancy> something of vfat format is in there
[22:35] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, Yes the same recycle.bin folder
[22:35] <Catoptromancy> try card again in camera
[22:35] <Catoptromancy> take a picture
[22:35] <Catoptromancy> and put it back in computer
[22:35] <Catoptromancy> after
[22:38] <holyguyver_> Alright Catoptromancy
[22:38] <holyguyver_> Nothing changed
[22:39] <holyguyver_> I recorded one video & took 2 pictures, but they are not showing up in that mounted valume.
[22:44] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, ?
[22:44] <Catoptromancy> cd /media/disk
[22:44] <Catoptromancy> ls -a
[22:46] <holyguyver_> ls -a.  ..  $RECYCLE.BIN
[22:48] <mm_202> Hey guys, is there a way to get the mouse pointer to become an hour-glass/watch/whatever when Xubuntu is starting up an app or waiting on something?
[22:48] <Myrtti> mm_202: it doesn't do that already?
[22:48] <mm_202> nope :(
[22:48] <mm_202> Thats the only thing that I dont like about it.
[22:57] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, So the things I recorded are not showing up in there.
[22:58] <holyguyver_> But they are showing up in the camera
[22:58] <Catoptromancy> pastebin whole dmesg
[22:59] <holyguyver_> what camand do I do Catoptromancy
[22:59] <Catoptromancy> dmesg
[23:01] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, I cannot it was larger then what terminal can hold, I need to do that output into file thing.
[23:01] <holyguyver_> But I forgot the cammand to do that.
[23:02] <Catoptromancy> bash-3.1$ cd ~/
[23:02] <Catoptromancy> bash-3.1$ dmesg > file
[23:02] <Catoptromancy> mousepad file heh
[23:03] <holyguyver_> So if I want it to go to desktop & be called dmesg.txt I will put what Catoptromancy ?
[23:04] <Catoptromancy> cd ~/
[23:04] <Catoptromancy> takes you to desktop
[23:04] <Catoptromancy> dmesg > file
[23:05] <Catoptromancy> dump dmesg into a file called "file"
[23:05] <Catoptromancy> mousepad file  open the file in mousepad
[23:05] <Catoptromancy> cd ~/
[23:05] <Catoptromancy> bash-3.1$ dmesg > dmesg.txt
[23:07] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/48172/
[23:09] <Catoptromancy> what kind of camera?
[23:09] <Catoptromancy> brand model
[23:09] <Catoptromancy> its not using a stanrd fat filesystem I guess
[23:09] <Catoptromancy> [22919.860649] FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors
[23:09] <Catoptromancy> [22919.860655] VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdc1.
[23:10] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, it is adigigr8
[23:10] <Catoptromancy> that exact name?
[23:11] <holyguyver_> no, the a stuck
[23:11] <holyguyver_> digigr8
[23:11] <holyguyver_> that exact name
[23:12] <holyguyver_> digigr8 dv 182
[23:13] <holyguyver_> digigr8 dv182
[23:13] <holyguyver_> That is brand & model
[23:15] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, so that is it.
[23:17] <Catoptromancy> mount -t vfat /dev/sdc1 /mnt/sdcard
[23:17] <Catoptromancy> dunno
[23:17] <Catoptromancy> google parts of dmesg that relate to the errors
[23:18] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, it is already mounted remember
[23:18] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, what errors?
[23:19] <holyguyver_> & google doesn;t like you to call it that, it is called web search.
[23:20] <Catoptromancy> verb
[23:20] <Catoptromancy> 1. 	search the internet (for information) using the Google search engine;
[23:20] <holyguyver_> all of the errors I see are USB related & this is not a USB.
[23:20] <Catoptromancy> look at bottom
[23:20] <Catoptromancy> of pastebin
[23:21] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, google doesn't like people using that term though because it could void their trademark on the word google, they have asked people to stop using it, & also I am sorry but I only go by dictionaries pre-1900.
[23:23] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, the only errors I see towards the bottom are errors having to do with Pidgin, ones like this [24017.130116] pidgin[17748] general protection eip:b764e4ac esp:bf916e68 error:0
[23:25] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, I think I found it, would it be the errors that start with the word sd?
[23:37] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, anything?
[23:42] <Catoptromancy> i think your camera uses a modified fat fs
[23:45] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, my camera says in its manual that it works with Win98/2000/xp/vista, Maz OSX, & Linux 2.14
[23:47] <favro> Linux 2.14 is pretty old...
[23:48] <Catoptromancy> you plug sdcard in computer? Can you directly plug camera into computer
[23:52] <holyguyver_> Yes
[23:53] <holyguyver_> The computer reacts to it same way it does to the card
[23:54] <holyguyver_> Catoptromancy, I think I am going to go to bed, I am tired.
[23:56] <DCPom> how do you enable pidgin notification bubbles?
[23:58] <DCPom> i did it in ub but when i reinstalled the OS as xub i couldn't figure out hoe
[23:58] <DCPom> how
[23:59] <holyguyver_> DCPom, it is a plugin called Giuifications (I misspelled it I am sure)