[00:01]  * apachelogger pokes Nightrose
[00:02]  * Nightrose pokes apachelogger 
[00:02] <apachelogger> Nightrose: how can you dare doing that Oo
[00:02] <Nightrose> oO
[00:03] <Nightrose> you just poked me before
[00:03] <Riddell> doing what?
[00:03] <Nightrose> poking him I assume
[00:03] <Nightrose> apachelogger: so wasup?
[00:03]  * NCommander fails miserably
[00:04] <apachelogger> Nightrose: hm, good point, I actually just wanted attention :P
[00:04]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger 
[00:04] <apachelogger> \o/
[00:04]  * apachelogger hugs Nightrose and Riddell and NCommander
[00:04]  * apachelogger is out of arm
[00:05] <NCommander> I don't seem to fit in with the Debian community
[00:05] <NCommander> I posted a debdiff to a proposed change, and the maintainer bit my head off
[00:05] <Nightrose> apachelogger: btw do you know that someone was quite jealous of you?
[00:05]  * NCommander grumbles
[00:05] <apachelogger> Nightrose: no, who? and why? and when?
[00:05]  * Nightrose hands NCommander a new head
[00:06]  * NCommander apt-get install's it
[00:06] <apachelogger> NCommander: don't we do that as well?
[00:06]  * apachelogger is pretty sure he does some times, when he has a bad day, which is about ever 3rd day :P
[00:07] <Nightrose> apachelogger: bf - you can guess the rest, no? ;-)
[00:08] <apachelogger> hm
[00:08] <apachelogger> Nightrose: nope, maybe you got a clue for me
[00:09] <Nightrose> :P    nvm - /me should just go to bed
[00:09] <goatsocks> apachelogger: you spend too much time packaging... she's making sexual innuendo!
[00:10]  * Nightrose pokes goatsocks 
[00:10] <Nightrose> I never do!
[00:11] <goatsocks> only in a polite way, of course
[00:11] <apachelogger> Nightrose: hm
[00:11] <apachelogger> I want to know
[00:11]  * goatsocks is wrestling with termcap/terminfo and konsole
[00:11]  * apachelogger wants to be jealous of apachelogger as well :S
[00:13] <goatsocks> ok who in here is using 256 color konsole (that is, TERM=xterm-256color) with gnu screen?
[00:15] <goatsocks> konsole is doing something evil with the colors under screen that gnome-terminal doesn't
[00:16]  * NCommander smashs his head more
[00:17] <goatsocks> NCommander: who is this meanie? i'll have HULK come and SMASH him after he SMASHES konsole
[00:17] <NCommander> goatsocks, no, I think I managed to sink my AM application
[00:18] <NCommander> s/AM/NM/g
[00:18] <goatsocks> oh what are you working on with NM?
[00:19] <NCommander> Posting patches to bugs
[00:19] <NCommander> I uploaded a fix as a debdiff with an NMU changelog
[00:19] <NCommander> SInce the way the task on the AM application was worded to do it like that
[00:19] <NCommander> I reposted the patch twice, once for a mistake I caught afterword, and once because my mail client line wrapped (I forgot to turn off that "feature")
[00:20] <NCommander> Debian Maintainer believes I intend to NMU (I hadn't posted an intent to NMU message)
[00:20] <NCommander> Gets rather pissed, and second two emails CCed to the bug, before I can respond
[00:20] <NCommander> So yeah
[00:20] <NCommander> I think I sunk my chances at becoming a DD
[00:42] <apachelogger> NCommander: well, I am never going to become an ubuntu core dev either
[00:42] <NCommander> apachelogger, ouch, why?
[00:42] <apachelogger> I guess there is always the option to go seek shelter at suse's or fedora's :P
[00:43] <apachelogger> NCommander: because i am not responsible enough I guess
[00:44] <apachelogger> NCommander: did I tell you that one could rewrite REVU almost only using ruby rails' automagic generation script? ;-)
[00:45] <NCommander> ..................
[00:46] <apachelogger> seriuosly, you can scaffold the overview page, so you would only need to add the seperate views for updated and archived and then you can scaffold the upload page
[00:46] <apachelogger> do some theming and you are done :P
[00:50] <vorian> eveing!i!i!
[00:50] <vorian> n
[00:53] <apachelogger> hey vorian
[00:56] <ScottK> apachelogger: Would you please look at Bug 271935 and work out with pitti what the right answer is.  I'm leaving town for a week in about 8 hours and will be totally offline.
[00:57] <apachelogger> ScottK: sure
[00:57] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.
[06:17] <yuriy> kde4 on a new glossy 24" lcd is gorgeous
[07:37] <jussi01> yuriy: oh shush you... :P
[07:38] <knome> i'm soon going to buy 2x24"
[09:34] <Tonio_> hi there
[09:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: do we have packages available for this ?
[09:44] <Tonio_> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KDE+Partition+Manager?content=89595&PHPSESSID=a50d9320fd2b30851a4612678b10b489
[09:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's a must have I guess ;)
[09:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: even though a kcm module would be better (I'll ping upstream about that)
[10:05] <seaLne> looks nice
[10:59] <Tonio_> seaLne: it is, and kde misses this kind of tools for years
[11:01] <Tonio_> seaLne: I'll probably put a package on revu in a moment, but that's way too late for intrepid
[11:03] <Riddell> trouble with that sort of app is testing it is hard, needs a virtual machine I guess
[11:06] <seaLne> on a dev machine you don't care about
[11:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: true that
[11:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: also an external drive can help
[11:17] <knome> or large enoughusb stick :P
[11:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: also, is there any reason we let the kgrubeditor standalone desktop file so that it ends up in the menu ?
[11:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: should be removed I guess no ?
[11:27] <Riddell> can be yes
[11:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: uploading with a fix :)
[12:18] <stdin> hmm, kopete-cryptography is still pending in the new queue after 5 days
[12:23] <Riddell> this is what happens when I'm away on my archive admin day :)
[12:26] <Riddell> stdin: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}  should it depend on kopete?
[12:26]  * Riddell accepts
[12:27] <stdin> Riddell: shlibs apparently adds kopete anyway: Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.1.1), kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.1.1+really4.1.1), kdepimlibs5 (>= 4:4.1.1), kopete, libc6 (>= 2.1.3), libkleo4, libqtcore4 (>= 4.4.1), libqtgui4 (>= 4.4.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1)
[12:28] <Riddell> that's clever of it
[13:22] <apachelogger> kde rev 862623
[13:22] <Riddell> ViewVCException: 404 Not Found: Invalid revision
[13:29] <rgreening> hey
[13:31] <Riddell> morning rgreening, did you loko at qt 4.4.2?
[13:31] <Riddell> loko
[13:31] <Riddell> hmm
[13:32] <rgreening> Riddell: Yes and no... I started (picked it up again now) last night. I had a look at the configure and saw no differences. I was able to cpy/update the debian dir and debuild -S it. So, just gotta actually build it.
[13:32] <rgreening> Riddell: that's gonna start now
[13:33] <rgreening> Riddell: so, hopefully not to long to buld/test/debdiff for ya
[13:34]  * rgreening thinks I'm eventually going to need to upload deb on my own.... :P
[13:35] <Riddell> not long?  I think you're underestimating how large Qt is :)
[13:35] <knome> Riddell, if he is awfully talented?
[13:36] <Riddell> or has a build cluster
[13:37] <rgreening> Riddell: lol. It's been a while since Gentoo, but I remember Qt taking some time to build... let's see what happens on my system
[13:38] <rgreening> no cluster... though I could easily enough I guess... hehe
[13:39] <rgreening> Riddell: did you have a chance to look at the qtjambi stuff I sent?
[13:39] <Riddell> rgreening: not yet I'm afraid
[13:40] <rgreening> Riddell: k. I'll work on making the "proper" control file. That's still not done. The rules file is mostly complete. Made some notes in it.
[13:41] <rgreening> Riddell: I think phonon may simply be out for the time being. Unless you can make it play nice with KDE phonon_gstreamer and libphonon (or libphononexperimental)
[13:43] <Riddell> yeah, fair enough
[13:43] <rgreening> Riddell: Which is the "correct qt src archive". I had assumed it was qt-x11-opensource-src. However, I extracted the one from 4.4.1 we use and the dir was qt-all-opensource-src. Does it make a difference?
[13:44] <Riddell> I can never remember
[13:44] <Riddell> copy what debian do :)
[13:44] <rgreening> hmm...
[13:49] <apachelogger> rgreening: you are packaging qt 4.4.2?
[13:49] <rgreening> apachelogger: gonna give it a shot. Looks like it should be straight forward.
[13:49] <rgreening> :)
[13:50] <apachelogger> rgreening: you shoudl merge the packaging with debian ;-)
[13:50] <apachelogger> or poke me when you are done, so that I do the merge
[13:50] <rgreening> apachelogger: ? what do you mean?
[13:50] <Riddell> that's not a requirement post merge freeze
[13:50] <rgreening> apachelogger: I'll poke you and riddell... :) np
[13:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: Scott reminded us that the later we remerge with debian the more work it's gonna be
[13:51] <rgreening> let you both duke it out
[13:51]  * apachelogger points out that the kjava thing is buggy
[13:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: the more often we merge with debian without a paticular reason the more work it's going to be and the more chance of introducing bugs :)
[13:52] <apachelogger> also true
[13:52]  * apachelogger needs an own opinion on merges
[13:53] <rgreening> *opinions for sale* *get them while they're hot*
[13:53]  * Hobbsee steals all the opinions, and runs away with them
[13:54]  * rgreening has secretly added dye packs to the opinions *splat*
[13:54] <apachelogger> Oo
[13:54]  * Hobbsee puts the opinions in the freezer, freezes them, and removes the dye packs.
[13:54] <Hobbsee> thwarted!
[13:54] <rgreening> lol
[13:55] <rgreening> you've done this before I see
[13:55]  * Hobbsee attacks rgreening with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™ for trying.
[13:55] <Hobbsee> no, i haven't - but I work in retail, and people tell me these things.
[13:55] <rgreening> *duck*
[13:55] <rgreening> hehe
[13:55] <Hobbsee> OTOH, I *have* disabled the security for dvds with a butter knife.
[13:55] <rgreening> lol
[13:55] <Hobbsee> (without breaking the case)
[13:56]  * rgreening shouts *REBEL*
[13:56] <Hobbsee> it was bought from our compeditors, i was at a friends place, and they were shut for the night.
[13:56] <Hobbsee> and we wanted to watch the movie.
[13:56] <Hobbsee> whta can you do?
[13:57] <Hobbsee> (and don't say "attempt to open it.  fail.  then bitch at the customer service person the next day, as they can't open it, because you broke the lock system)
[13:59] <Hobbsee> er, s/you/they/
[13:59] <Hobbsee> er #2:  incorrect replacement.  it is you.
[13:59] <Hobbsee> :)
[14:02] <echidnaman> Riddell: well, we seemed to have merged with debian for the qt4 backports to the KDE4 ppa (Debian ver is higher than current Debian ver in Intrepid)
[14:03]  * JontheEchidna thinks there's a bug about that
[14:09] <apachelogger> true
[14:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/ubuntu-restricted-extras_19_to_20.diff
[14:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: groovy
[14:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: we will have to add java settings to default-settings because of kde bug 171333
[14:18] <apachelogger> considering I find the branch ;-)
[14:18]  * txwikinger whishes a good morning from Canada
[14:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: uploaded.  ok
[14:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu
[14:19] <apachelogger> \o/
[14:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: thank you :)
[14:20] <Riddell> txwikinger: say hello to the Canadians
[14:20] <txwikinger> Riddell: I will do
[14:20] <rgreening> go Canada!
[14:20] <rgreening> :)
[14:20] <txwikinger> Do you know if we have any Kubuntu promotion going on the Linuxfest in Toronto?
[14:21] <apachelogger> txwikinger: nothing official so far
[14:21] <apachelogger> txwikinger: feel free to organize something ;-)
[14:21] <txwikinger> Well, I already give a presentation
[14:22] <rgreening> with pbuilder, how do I get it to install the required deps in the pbuilder env
[14:22] <txwikinger> Some guys from the LUG here asked me for T-shirts
[14:22] <apachelogger> rgreening: it does automagically
[14:23] <apachelogger> rgreening: considering you have the necessary deps in debian/control
[14:23] <rgreening> oh... hmmm... let me try again. maybe did somethnig wrong
[14:23] <apachelogger> txwikinger: we don't exactly have shirts yet
[14:23] <apachelogger> txwikinger: we are trying to get some though ... featuring a possible new slogan
[14:24] <apachelogger> rgreening: did you debuild the source package? and did you try pbuilding the right dsc file?
[14:24]  * apachelogger is wondering why branching kubuntu-default-settings takes that long
[14:26] <rgreening> apachelogger: I did it wrong last night. Got it working now. Thanks.
[14:29] <Riddell> we did have t-shirts, they sold out
[14:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: who's we?
[14:29] <rgreening> KDW: cmake'ing things better
[14:30] <rgreening> s/KDW/KDE
[14:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: the marketing doods ;-)
[14:30] <apachelogger> did you actually read the marketing meeting minutes?
[14:31] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that is normal behaviour
[14:31] <Nightrose> apachelogger: what is?
[14:31] <apachelogger> Nightrose: kdelibs-data contains crystalsvg, as does kdeartwork-theme-icon I think
[14:31] <Nightrose> ah that one
[14:31] <Nightrose> ok
[14:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: nope
[14:31] <apachelogger> so they conflict, making amarok uninstallable if the latter is installed
[14:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, it mostly was that we need a real slogan and we might want to do a community competition to find a good one
[14:32] <apachelogger> the winner gets a t-shirt with the slogan and the logo
[14:33] <apachelogger> which could be offered by canonical in the merch shop
[14:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: sounds interesting.  does anyone in canonical know about it?
[14:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: ryanakca said he is going to ask
[14:35] <apachelogger> Nightrose: we could probably drop crystalsvg from kdeartwork-theme-icon
[14:35] <apachelogger> probably makes sense
[14:36] <Nightrose> apachelogger: well however it is going to be done I think it would be good to allow to have both installed at the same time
[14:36] <txwikinger> apachelogger: When do I have those shirts here?
[14:36] <apachelogger> txwikinger: 6 months
[14:36] <txwikinger> Too late
[14:37] <apachelogger> txwikinger: we don't even have a slogan yet
[14:37] <txwikinger> Linuxfest is in October
[14:37] <apachelogger> nah, no way we are going to make that
[14:37] <txwikinger> well.. shall I sell ubuntu shirts instead?
[14:37] <apachelogger> Nightrose: please move the bug to kdeartwork and assign it to me, I will take a look
[14:37] <Nightrose> apachelogger: alright
[14:37] <Nightrose> thanks
[14:38] <apachelogger> txwikinger: that is damage promotion :P
[14:38] <txwikinger> Well.. people here want something ;p
[14:40] <txwikinger> What is the problem with the wiki?
[14:40] <apachelogger> txwikinger: you could become 24/7 artist and do kubuntu paintings
[14:40] <txwikinger> I can't login
[14:40] <txwikinger> apachelogger: I ain't no artist
[14:41] <txwikinger> yesterday someone wanted to make a salesperson out of me, today an artist
[14:41] <apachelogger> txwikinger: https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=3013
[14:41] <apachelogger> ubuntu - ubuntu
[14:44] <txwikinger> Is it against the Human Rights Act to be forced to use FF?
[14:46] <Riddell> txwikinger: you're in Canada.  Your Human Rights are controlled by the US now.
[14:46] <txwikinger> Riddell: No... they have a Charter of Rights here too
[14:46] <Riddell> see, you've lost your sense of irony already :)
[14:47] <apachelogger> lol
[14:51] <txwikinger> ROFL
[14:52] <txwikinger> Riddell: I still have to regain it.. after such a long time in England ;p
[14:53] <rgreening> Cacada is going to buy the states after all the banks devalue the property there
[14:53] <rgreening> s/Cacada/Canada
[14:53] <rgreening> Then sell it on e-bay
[14:54] <JontheEchidna> lol
[14:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: latest kubuntu-default-settings ships 3 bug fixes
[14:55] <Riddell> ships?
[14:55] <txwikinger> rgreening: Right, the Can-$ is already pair to the US-$
[14:56] <rgreening> :)
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> now we have the monopoly moneh
[14:56] <rgreening> Riddell: to temp remove a patch, I can simply remove it from the series file without deleting if from the patches dir (correct)?
[14:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: includes, holds, well, it would be fixing 3 bugs if you were uploading it ;-)
[14:56] <Riddell> rgreening: yes
[14:57] <rgreening> kk
[14:57] <Riddell> rgreening: make sure it's unapplied before you do
[14:57] <rgreening> ok
[14:59] <NCommander> morning Riddell
[15:00] <Riddell> hi NCommander
[15:00] <NCommander> how goes it?
[15:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: oh, btw,4.4.2 > 4.4.1, so we wouldn't really need to merge at all
[15:01] <JontheEchidna> true
[15:04] <Riddell> NCommander: ok, battling with NM again
[15:05] <NCommander> New Maintainer?
[15:05] <rgreening> I feel like the guy in the Duncan Donuts commercials... "time to cmake qt". build, patch fail. Remove patch. Build... :)
[15:05] <Riddell> network-manager
[15:06]  * rgreening hates k-n-m at the moment.
[15:06] <txwikinger> Well.. I am fixing to become more Canadian and get a local driver's licence... Have fun guys!
[15:07] <rgreening> gl
[15:07] <txwikinger> rgreening: Thanks.. need it with my Amp
[15:07] <txwikinger> rgreening: Thanks.. need it with my Amblyopia
[15:07]  * rgreening searches wp:
[15:08] <rgreening> wow.. never knew lazy eye had a real medical term/condition. learn something new everyday.
[15:09] <txwikinger> Well.. lazy eye is not a correct description anyway :D
[15:09] <rgreening> I know... :)
[15:09] <txwikinger> later
[15:09] <rgreening> I have a lazy something else
[15:09] <rgreening> :)
[15:09] <rgreening> l*r
[15:15] <davmor2> Riddell: Where is the Kubuntu alpha 6 announcement?
[15:17] <Riddell> davmor2: somewhere on my todo list
[15:18] <davmor2> Not at the top ;)
[15:19] <rgreening> anyone else have issues with gpg signing periodically? sometimes when I enter the passphrase it fails.
[15:20]  * apachelogger thinks davmor2 wants to write the announcement ;-)
[15:21]  * davmor2 slaps apachelogger hard for having a death wish ;)
[15:21] <apachelogger> we certainly need a new text producer dood
[15:37]  * jussi01 thinks davmor2 rocks!!! (and thanks for doing the studio testing :D )
[15:38]  * davmor2 is just gladd someone else I think sbeattie did the xubuntu alt i386 tests so I had time too :)
[15:41] <rgreening> Riddell: ok, so I spoke too soon on the qt build. HAHA. Didn't realize the significant # of patches that there are. Going through them to verify is going to take a bit longer.
[15:45] <Riddell> rgreening: most of the patches are from qt-copy, you may well find they've been updated or removed from svn http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/qt-copy/patches/
[15:46] <rgreening> yeah. found two so far.
[16:23] <rgreening> Riddell: 10_config_tests_fixes.diff - last hunk fails - appears unnecessary - should I rename patch or simply correct and keep same name?
[16:25] <rgreening> Riddell: think I'll rename -r2.diff
[16:30] <Riddell> rgreening: just keep the same name
[16:30] <rgreening> ok
[16:31] <rgreening> Riddell: been able to elim 5 or so patches
[16:32] <Riddell> rgreening: all applied upstream?
[16:32] <rgreening> yep
[16:52] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: ping
[16:52] <seele> pong
[16:53] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: hows it going?
[16:53] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: good
[16:53] <Artemis_Fowl> but I have no time at all
[16:54] <seele> school?
[16:54] <Artemis_Fowl> yes
[16:54] <Artemis_Fowl> so I was thinking of just releasing a new version just for the bugfixes
[16:54] <seele> ok, sounds good
[16:54] <Artemis_Fowl> since I have no time to do any more improvemenets
[16:54] <seele> i dont know if features could get added at this time anyway
[16:55] <Artemis_Fowl> I think it would require a feature exception but since it contains only bugfixes it will be ok
[16:55] <seele> ok cool
[16:58] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: btw have you thought of a new password-workflow?
[17:04] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: no, i havent had time to work on much kde stuff this week because of work
[17:16] <rgreening> Riddell: ok, so now I've checked the patches, I can finally start building qt.. lol. Any estimate on time to quild it on a 1.67Hz celeron with 2Gig RAM?
[17:17] <Riddell> couple of hours?
[17:17] <rgreening> ok, sweet. I'll let you know how it goes then
[17:18] <rgreening> building now
[17:23] <jussi01> hrm, just installed qt4-designer from the members ppa fro hardy... cant get it to start. anyone seen this?
[17:23] <stdin> I'm running designer now, so no :)
[17:24] <jussi01> ohh.. it segfaults...
[17:25] <jussi01> http://paste.ubuntu.com/48341/
[17:26] <stdin> I get all that, except the segfault
[17:26] <jussi01> hrm
[17:27] <stdin> see what gdb has to say?
[17:27] <jussi01> ok, dont laugh, but please tell me how to use gdb...
[17:27] <stdin> I thought you may as ;)
[17:28] <stdin> run "gdb designer" to start
[17:28] <stdin> then type "run" to get designer starting, it should then segfault somewhere, type "bt" to get a backtrace
[17:28] <stdin> then "c" then "q" to finally exit gdb
[17:29] <jussi01> http://paste.ubuntu.com/48343/
[17:31] <stdin> jussi01: what does "dpkg -l | grep qt4" show?
[17:32] <jussi01> http://paste.ubuntu.com/48344/
[17:32] <stdin> well, doesn't look like an installation issue
[17:32] <jussi01> hrm
[17:33] <jussi01> the only really non standard thing here is I have fglrx from envy...
[17:33] <jussi01> (although I wish I knew how to revert)
[17:34] <stdin> jussi01: what's the md5sum of /usr/lib/libQtDesignerComponents.so.4.4.1? could be a bad download
[17:34] <stdin> 76fa42e5fb25c082724ad076f8a26e8c  /usr/lib/libQtDesignerComponents.so.4.4.1
[17:34] <jussi01> 76fa42e5fb25c082724ad076f8a26e8c  /usr/lib/libQtDesignerComponents.so.4.4.1
[17:34] <jussi01> nope
[17:35] <stdin> have you tried the "windows fix" yet?
[17:35] <jussi01> no?
[17:35] <jussi01> which is?
[17:36] <jussi01> restart?
[17:36] <jussi01> hehe
[17:36] <stdin> yeah :p or just logout/in
[17:36] <jussi01> brb
[17:36] <stdin> I've (had to) reboot since the update
[17:36] <stdin> so I don't know if that has anything to do with it
[17:42] <jussi01> stdin: nope. still broken. weird
[17:44] <jussi01> is it possible its missing a dep?
[17:48] <stdin> the only things I have that you don't are "qt4-dev-tools" and "qt4-doc"
[17:48] <stdin> oh, and libqt4-dbg
[18:54] <apachelogger> jussi01: do you have firefox installed?
[18:55] <jussi01> apachelogger: yes
[18:55] <apachelogger> jussi01: hardy?
[18:55] <jussi01> yes
[18:56] <apachelogger> jussi01: please try http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17764996/mozilla-plugin-plasma_0.1~git20080918-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa3_i386.deb
[18:56] <apachelogger> you should be able to test it if you access /usr/share/doc/mozilla-plugin-plasma/examples/plasma.html in firefox
[19:01] <jussi01> apachelogger: that gives me "plasma!!!!" and a plugin install thing, which finds no plugins
[19:01] <apachelogger> jussi01: did you restart firefox?
[19:07] <jussi01> yes
[19:07] <jussi01> (not the first time, but when I tried again same thing)
[19:08] <stdin> apachelogger: ^ same for me
[19:08] <stdin> and about:plugins doesn't show it
[19:08] <apachelogger> fun
[19:08] <apachelogger> well
[19:08] <apachelogger> it probably wouldn't work anyway
[19:08]  * apachelogger senses 4.2 dependency
[19:09] <jussi01> doh!!
[19:10] <rgreening> 4.4.2 on the way soonish
[19:10] <rgreening> doh.. nm
[19:10] <rgreening> I was thinking Qt and not KDE
[19:10] <rgreening> lol
[19:11] <rgreening> Anyone got a KDE4.2 PPA started for pre-release?
[19:11] <Tm_T> I'm on 4.2 world already, iu
[19:11] <rgreening> got debs or SVN?
[19:11] <Tm_T> I build daily from svn
[19:12] <rgreening> cool
[19:12] <rgreening> adventurous
[19:12] <rgreening> :)
[19:12] <Tm_T> not really (:)
[19:12] <DreadKnight> how the heck do i install deb files in kubuntu kde4 mix ?
[19:12] <goatsocks> dpkg -i
[19:12] <Tm_T> wajig install /path/to/package ?
[19:14] <apachelogger> !neon | rgreening
[19:14] <apachelogger> uh
[19:14] <Tm_T> aww
[19:14] <apachelogger> oh
[19:14] <rgreening> lol
[19:14] <Tm_T> son, fix it
[19:14] <apachelogger> no
[19:14] <apachelogger> no time
[19:14]  * apachelogger gotta investigate something
[19:15] <DreadKnight> how stupid.. deb files opened with the useless ark-kde4
[19:15] <DreadKnight> had to manually install gdebi-kde4
[19:15] <apachelogger> jussi01: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel ;-)
[19:15] <apachelogger> DreadKnight: intrepid?
[19:16] <DreadKnight> apachelogger: kde4 mix hardy
[19:16] <DreadKnight> can't even manage to install intrepid...
[19:16] <apachelogger> I am pretty sure we had gdebi-kde4 in the cd seed
[19:16] <jussi01> apachelogger: nice work!!
[19:16]  * apachelogger reads createTar() started with component: amarok-nightly-qt
[19:16] <DreadKnight> apachelogger: did an apt-cache search and there is not even gdebi-kde4 there btw
[19:17] <apachelogger> Oo
[19:17] <apachelogger> !package gdebi-kde4
[19:17] <DreadKnight> gdebi, gdebi-core and gdebi-kde
[19:17] <stdin> you want !info probably
[19:17] <apachelogger> !info gdebi-kde4
[19:17] <DreadKnight> xD
[19:18] <apachelogger> stdin: alias that
[19:18] <apachelogger> DreadKnight: oh
[19:18] <apachelogger> right
[19:18] <apachelogger> there is no such package
[19:18] <DreadKnight> and gdebi-kde is damn slow on one of my boxes... eats the crap out of the cpu
[19:18] <apachelogger> gdebi is used, and that is pretty much in the cd seed
[19:18] <DreadKnight> perhaps a bug; gdebi (on gnome) is a breeze
[19:18] <apachelogger> perhaps
[19:19] <DreadKnight> apachelogger: backport gdebi-kde4 to hardy? ^^
[19:19] <apachelogger> there is no gdebi-kde4 in intrepid either
[19:19] <DreadKnight> erm
[19:20] <apachelogger> jussi01, JontheEchidna, stdin: suggestions about what I could be blogging?
[19:20] <DreadKnight> also, bought a tablet pc recently... and the out of the box config for tablet pc's plain sucks; could be improved dramatically with few changes; plenty of similar how-to's on the net in order to hack your way.. like wtf...
[19:20] <jussi01> apachelogger: about quassel of course :D
[19:22] <apachelogger> DreadKnight: you could buy me one as well, then I would probably make it behave smoother
[19:23] <DreadKnight> apachelogger: i have suggestions on how the experience can be improved; could buy you a beer :-)
[19:23]  * apachelogger can't really do anything without such a device :P
[19:24] <rgreening> I'm getting a Pandora
[19:24] <DreadKnight> even if wacom-tools are installed; the devices are not added to xorg.conf
[19:24] <rgreening> Ubuntu is going on it
[19:25] <DreadKnight> and there is a bug, when rotating screen with krandrtray doesn't rotates the coordonates maping for the stylus
[19:27] <DreadKnight> also creating a right-click for the stylus using the button or mapping the hardware keys by having some handy application around; manage to map the button to right click using a start-up bashbin script i recall, but didn't had enough pacience to map keys
[19:30]  * rgreening patiently waiting for Qt4.4.2 to finish building....
[19:56] <digistyl3> hi guys, i just bought a dell studio 15 and i'm running intrepid on it
[19:56] <digistyl3> how can i check if it has excesive load/unload cycles?
[19:58] <smarter> digistyl3: uptime?
[19:58] <smarter> If i correctly understand your question
[19:59] <smarter> it shows the system load for the past 1, 5 and 15 minutes
[20:00] <digistyl3> smarter: uptime 9 miutes
[20:01] <astraljava> I thought it was about the hard drive aggressive unload cycling for maximum power saving. :)
[20:01] <digistyl3> load average 0.01, 0.23, 0.20
[20:02] <digistyl3> smarter: should i use this guide for intrepid?
[20:02] <digistyl3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerManagement#How to get disks idleing correctly (without excessive load cycling)
[20:03] <astraljava> So it was about it after all.
[20:05] <astraljava> From that page:"Current state in intrepid (ubuntu 8.10) is..."
[20:07] <digistyl3> http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Known_issues#How_to_determine_whether_a_machine_has_this_problem
[20:07] <digistyl3> i need to install smartmontools on the laptop
[20:07] <digistyl3> i'll brb, because i have to plug in the network cable
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: bugs maybe? We could always use help there
[20:16] <JontheEchidna> and Suse is calling for volunteers for a bug triage soon
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> ubottu: tell me about kde revision 862734
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> kde revision 862734
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> kde rev 862734
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> dumb bot
[20:25] <DreadKnight> sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't works for me
[20:25] <DreadKnight> every kde editor i try, evem with kdesu
[20:25] <DreadKnight> don't want to use vim ffs
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> in hardy?
[20:25] <DreadKnight> yeah
[20:26] <DreadKnight> kde4 mix
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> kdesudo /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> sudo/kdesudo etc doesn't play nice with the custom path for kde4 binaries
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> it's an issue in Intrepid
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> *isn't
[20:26] <DreadKnight> i see
[20:27] <DreadKnight> think it's going to work; thanks xD
[20:28] <DreadKnight> worked with kdesu
[20:28] <rgreening> Riddell: ok, so a few hours later and the build fails in the debian/ruls
[20:28] <rgreening> Riddell: cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp//usr/include/qt4/Qt/qatomic_windows.h': No such file or directory
[20:28] <rgreening> dang
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: remove that file from the -dev package's .install file and debuild -nc
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> (-nc is no clean)
[20:30] <rgreening> debuild?
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> isn't that how you're building the package?
[20:30] <rgreening> no, pbuilder
[20:30] <rgreening> can I do same with pbuilder
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> uh yeah, if you had some scripts
[20:31] <rgreening> to continue
[20:31] <rgreening> this was what I ran: sudo pbuilder --build qt4-x11_4.4.2-0ubuntu1.dsc
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: you need to pimp out your pbuilder hookers
[20:31] <rgreening> lol
[20:32] <rgreening> I just started using pbuilder today
[20:32] <rgreening> haha
[20:32]  * rgreening man pbuilder
[20:32] <goatsocks> i think it's in the pbuilder guide, not sure about the manpage
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> yeah, apachelogger has several handy hooks for things like this
[20:32] <goatsocks> i recall it was fairly simple to set up
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> like, it will dump you to the chroot's console if the build fails
[20:32] <rgreening> yeah.. cause this took 2.5 hours to crap out.
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> so you can modify stuff without having to do everything again
[20:33] <rgreening> and I really don't want to have to wait 2.5 more
[20:33] <goatsocks> rgreening: you need extra iron
[20:33] <rgreening> oh no.....
[20:33]  * rgreening crys
[20:33]  * goatsocks hands rgreening a vitamin
[20:33] <rgreening> -> removing directory /var/cache/pbuilder/build//6999 and its subdirectories
[20:33] <rgreening> grrrr
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> yeah, too late now :(
[20:34]  * rgreening bangs head against brick wall
[20:34] <rgreening> *rinse*repeat*
[20:34] <rgreening> dam
[20:35] <rgreening> I guess I should have run --login instead...
[20:37] <rgreening> so, in pbuilder in the login env, do I run debuild in there?
[20:53] <rgreening> Riddell: around?
[20:56] <rgreening> Riddell: some of the header files have changed and the .install files need updating. How did you gen the file list? I want to verify b4 I spend another couple of hours re-building
[21:29]  * rgreening rebuilding qt again... doh
[21:30] <digistyl3> does anyone use pppoe on their internet?
[21:30] <digistyl3> i've configured my network with pppoeconf
[21:31] <digistyl3> but network manager sais i'm not connected to the internet
[21:31] <digistyl3> and firefox starts in offline mode
[21:31] <digistyl3> pidgin too
[21:31] <digistyl3> it's so annoying :|
[21:59] <goatsocks> digistyl3: this is a dev channel, #kubuntu for support ;)
[22:01] <digistyl3> well it's in the development release
[22:04] <goatsocks> digistyl3: this isn't exactly end user support for dev releases either, more for discussion of development, not use ;)
[22:05] <digistyl3> goatsocks: ok, clear :)
[22:05] <goatsocks> digistyl3: however, if there's a bug in intrepid's pppoe then this is definitely the place to talk about it ;)
[22:07] <digistyl3> goatsocks: i think this is a networkmanager bug, because it doesn't recognize the pppoe connection
[22:08] <digistyl3> and other programs rely on networkmanager for network status information, like pidgin and firefox
[22:11] <goatsocks> digistyl3: i didn't think ppoe was finished in nm, you might wanna search launchpad on that
[22:20] <digistyl3> i'll brb
[23:31] <digistyl3> goatsocks: is this the blueprint for that?
[23:31] <digistyl3> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/network-manager-pptp
[23:31] <digistyl3> i see it's not implemented :|