[00:01] * apachelogger pokes Nightrose [00:02] * Nightrose pokes apachelogger [00:02] Nightrose: how can you dare doing that Oo [00:02] oO [00:03] you just poked me before [00:03] doing what? [00:03] poking him I assume [00:03] apachelogger: so wasup? [00:03] * NCommander fails miserably [00:04] Nightrose: hm, good point, I actually just wanted attention :P [00:04] * Nightrose hugs apachelogger [00:04] \o/ [00:04] * apachelogger hugs Nightrose and Riddell and NCommander [00:04] * apachelogger is out of arm [00:05] I don't seem to fit in with the Debian community [00:05] I posted a debdiff to a proposed change, and the maintainer bit my head off [00:05] apachelogger: btw do you know that someone was quite jealous of you? [00:05] * NCommander grumbles [00:05] Nightrose: no, who? and why? and when? [00:05] * Nightrose hands NCommander a new head [00:06] * NCommander apt-get install's it [00:06] NCommander: don't we do that as well? [00:06] * apachelogger is pretty sure he does some times, when he has a bad day, which is about ever 3rd day :P [00:07] apachelogger: bf - you can guess the rest, no? ;-) [00:08] hm [00:08] Nightrose: nope, maybe you got a clue for me [00:09] :P nvm - /me should just go to bed [00:09] apachelogger: you spend too much time packaging... she's making sexual innuendo! [00:10] * Nightrose pokes goatsocks [00:10] I never do! [00:11] only in a polite way, of course [00:11] Nightrose: hm [00:11] I want to know [00:11] * goatsocks is wrestling with termcap/terminfo and konsole [00:11] * apachelogger wants to be jealous of apachelogger as well :S [00:13] ok who in here is using 256 color konsole (that is, TERM=xterm-256color) with gnu screen? [00:15] konsole is doing something evil with the colors under screen that gnome-terminal doesn't [00:16] * NCommander smashs his head more [00:17] NCommander: who is this meanie? i'll have HULK come and SMASH him after he SMASHES konsole [00:17] goatsocks, no, I think I managed to sink my AM application [00:18] s/AM/NM/g [00:18] oh what are you working on with NM? [00:19] Posting patches to bugs [00:19] I uploaded a fix as a debdiff with an NMU changelog [00:19] SInce the way the task on the AM application was worded to do it like that [00:19] I reposted the patch twice, once for a mistake I caught afterword, and once because my mail client line wrapped (I forgot to turn off that "feature") [00:20] Debian Maintainer believes I intend to NMU (I hadn't posted an intent to NMU message) [00:20] Gets rather pissed, and second two emails CCed to the bug, before I can respond [00:20] So yeah [00:20] I think I sunk my chances at becoming a DD [00:42] NCommander: well, I am never going to become an ubuntu core dev either [00:42] apachelogger, ouch, why? [00:42] I guess there is always the option to go seek shelter at suse's or fedora's :P [00:43] NCommander: because i am not responsible enough I guess [00:44] NCommander: did I tell you that one could rewrite REVU almost only using ruby rails' automagic generation script? ;-) [00:45] .................. [00:46] seriuosly, you can scaffold the overview page, so you would only need to add the seperate views for updated and archived and then you can scaffold the upload page [00:46] do some theming and you are done :P [00:50] eveing!i!i! [00:50] n [00:53] hey vorian [00:56] apachelogger: Would you please look at Bug 271935 and work out with pitti what the right answer is. I'm leaving town for a week in about 8 hours and will be totally offline. [00:56] Launchpad bug 271935 in kde4bindings "kurllabel missing in python-kde4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271935 [00:57] ScottK: sure [00:57] apachelogger: Thanks. === NCommander is now known as MAC === MAC is now known as NCommander === ScottK is now known as ScottK-vacation [06:17] kde4 on a new glossy 24" lcd is gorgeous [07:37] yuriy: oh shush you... :P [07:38] i'm soon going to buy 2x24" === cmvo_ is now known as cmvo === m-onkey is now known as emonkey [09:34] hi there [09:44] Riddell: do we have packages available for this ? [09:44] http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KDE+Partition+Manager?content=89595&PHPSESSID=a50d9320fd2b30851a4612678b10b489 [09:44] Riddell: that's a must have I guess ;) [09:45] Riddell: even though a kcm module would be better (I'll ping upstream about that) [10:05] looks nice [10:59] seaLne: it is, and kde misses this kind of tools for years [11:01] seaLne: I'll probably put a package on revu in a moment, but that's way too late for intrepid [11:03] trouble with that sort of app is testing it is hard, needs a virtual machine I guess [11:06] on a dev machine you don't care about [11:14] Riddell: true that [11:14] Riddell: also an external drive can help [11:17] or large enoughusb stick :P [11:22] Riddell: also, is there any reason we let the kgrubeditor standalone desktop file so that it ends up in the menu ? [11:22] Riddell: should be removed I guess no ? [11:27] can be yes [11:36] Riddell: uploading with a fix :) === davmor2 is now known as davmor2-away [12:18] hmm, kopete-cryptography is still pending in the new queue after 5 days [12:23] this is what happens when I'm away on my archive admin day :) [12:26] stdin: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends} should it depend on kopete? [12:26] * Riddell accepts [12:27] Riddell: shlibs apparently adds kopete anyway: Depends: kdebase-runtime (>= 4:4.1.1), kdelibs5 (>= 4:4.1.1+really4.1.1), kdepimlibs5 (>= 4:4.1.1), kopete, libc6 (>= 2.1.3), libkleo4, libqtcore4 (>= 4.4.1), libqtgui4 (>= 4.4.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1) [12:28] that's clever of it [13:22] kde rev 862623 [13:22] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=862623&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 862623 [13:22] ViewVCException: 404 Not Found: Invalid revision [13:29] hey [13:31] morning rgreening, did you loko at qt 4.4.2? [13:31] loko [13:31] hmm [13:32] Riddell: Yes and no... I started (picked it up again now) last night. I had a look at the configure and saw no differences. I was able to cpy/update the debian dir and debuild -S it. So, just gotta actually build it. [13:32] Riddell: that's gonna start now [13:33] Riddell: so, hopefully not to long to buld/test/debdiff for ya [13:34] * rgreening thinks I'm eventually going to need to upload deb on my own.... :P [13:35] not long? I think you're underestimating how large Qt is :) [13:35] Riddell, if he is awfully talented? [13:36] or has a build cluster [13:37] Riddell: lol. It's been a while since Gentoo, but I remember Qt taking some time to build... let's see what happens on my system [13:38] no cluster... though I could easily enough I guess... hehe [13:39] Riddell: did you have a chance to look at the qtjambi stuff I sent? [13:39] rgreening: not yet I'm afraid [13:40] Riddell: k. I'll work on making the "proper" control file. That's still not done. The rules file is mostly complete. Made some notes in it. [13:41] Riddell: I think phonon may simply be out for the time being. Unless you can make it play nice with KDE phonon_gstreamer and libphonon (or libphononexperimental) [13:43] yeah, fair enough [13:43] Riddell: Which is the "correct qt src archive". I had assumed it was qt-x11-opensource-src. However, I extracted the one from 4.4.1 we use and the dir was qt-all-opensource-src. Does it make a difference? [13:44] I can never remember [13:44] copy what debian do :) [13:44] hmm... [13:49] rgreening: you are packaging qt 4.4.2? [13:49] apachelogger: gonna give it a shot. Looks like it should be straight forward. [13:49] :) [13:50] rgreening: you shoudl merge the packaging with debian ;-) [13:50] or poke me when you are done, so that I do the merge [13:50] apachelogger: ? what do you mean? [13:50] that's not a requirement post merge freeze [13:50] apachelogger: I'll poke you and riddell... :) np [13:50] Riddell: Scott reminded us that the later we remerge with debian the more work it's gonna be [13:51] let you both duke it out [13:51] * apachelogger points out that the kjava thing is buggy [13:52] apachelogger: the more often we merge with debian without a paticular reason the more work it's going to be and the more chance of introducing bugs :) [13:52] also true [13:52] * apachelogger needs an own opinion on merges [13:53] *opinions for sale* *get them while they're hot* [13:53] * Hobbsee steals all the opinions, and runs away with them [13:54] * rgreening has secretly added dye packs to the opinions *splat* [13:54] Oo [13:54] * Hobbsee puts the opinions in the freezer, freezes them, and removes the dye packs. [13:54] thwarted! [13:54] lol [13:55] you've done this before I see [13:55] * Hobbsee attacks rgreening with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™ for trying. [13:55] no, i haven't - but I work in retail, and people tell me these things. [13:55] *duck* [13:55] hehe [13:55] OTOH, I *have* disabled the security for dvds with a butter knife. [13:55] lol [13:55] (without breaking the case) [13:56] * rgreening shouts *REBEL* === davmor2-away is now known as davmor2 [13:56] it was bought from our compeditors, i was at a friends place, and they were shut for the night. [13:56] and we wanted to watch the movie. [13:56] whta can you do? [13:57] (and don't say "attempt to open it. fail. then bitch at the customer service person the next day, as they can't open it, because you broke the lock system) [13:59] er, s/you/they/ [13:59] er #2: incorrect replacement. it is you. [13:59] :) [14:02] Riddell: well, we seemed to have merged with debian for the qt4 backports to the KDE4 ppa (Debian ver is higher than current Debian ver in Intrepid) === echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna [14:03] * JontheEchidna thinks there's a bug about that [14:09] true [14:17] Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/ubuntu-restricted-extras_19_to_20.diff [14:17] apachelogger: groovy [14:18] Riddell: we will have to add java settings to default-settings because of kde bug 171333 [14:18] KDE bug 171333 in general "[konqueror] java executable not found out of the box" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171333 [14:18] considering I find the branch ;-) [14:18] * txwikinger whishes a good morning from Canada [14:18] apachelogger: uploaded. ok [14:19] apachelogger: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu [14:19] \o/ [14:19] Riddell: thank you :) [14:20] txwikinger: say hello to the Canadians [14:20] Riddell: I will do [14:20] go Canada! [14:20] :) [14:20] Do you know if we have any Kubuntu promotion going on the Linuxfest in Toronto? [14:21] txwikinger: nothing official so far [14:21] txwikinger: feel free to organize something ;-) [14:21] Well, I already give a presentation [14:22] with pbuilder, how do I get it to install the required deps in the pbuilder env [14:22] Some guys from the LUG here asked me for T-shirts [14:22] rgreening: it does automagically [14:23] rgreening: considering you have the necessary deps in debian/control [14:23] oh... hmmm... let me try again. maybe did somethnig wrong [14:23] txwikinger: we don't exactly have shirts yet [14:23] txwikinger: we are trying to get some though ... featuring a possible new slogan [14:24] rgreening: did you debuild the source package? and did you try pbuilding the right dsc file? [14:24] * apachelogger is wondering why branching kubuntu-default-settings takes that long [14:26] apachelogger: I did it wrong last night. Got it working now. Thanks. [14:29] we did have t-shirts, they sold out [14:29] apachelogger: who's we? [14:29] KDW: cmake'ing things better [14:30] s/KDW/KDE [14:30] Riddell: the marketing doods ;-) [14:30] did you actually read the marketing meeting minutes? [14:31] Nightrose: that is normal behaviour [14:31] apachelogger: what is? [14:31] Nightrose: kdelibs-data contains crystalsvg, as does kdeartwork-theme-icon I think [14:31] ah that one [14:31] ok [14:31] apachelogger: nope [14:31] so they conflict, making amarok uninstallable if the latter is installed [14:32] Riddell: well, it mostly was that we need a real slogan and we might want to do a community competition to find a good one [14:32] the winner gets a t-shirt with the slogan and the logo [14:33] which could be offered by canonical in the merch shop [14:33] apachelogger: sounds interesting. does anyone in canonical know about it? [14:34] Riddell: ryanakca said he is going to ask [14:35] Nightrose: we could probably drop crystalsvg from kdeartwork-theme-icon [14:35] probably makes sense [14:36] apachelogger: well however it is going to be done I think it would be good to allow to have both installed at the same time [14:36] apachelogger: When do I have those shirts here? [14:36] txwikinger: 6 months [14:36] Too late [14:37] txwikinger: we don't even have a slogan yet [14:37] Linuxfest is in October [14:37] nah, no way we are going to make that [14:37] well.. shall I sell ubuntu shirts instead? [14:37] Nightrose: please move the bug to kdeartwork and assign it to me, I will take a look [14:37] apachelogger: alright [14:37] thanks [14:38] txwikinger: that is damage promotion :P [14:38] Well.. people here want something ;p [14:40] What is the problem with the wiki? [14:40] txwikinger: you could become 24/7 artist and do kubuntu paintings [14:40] I can't login [14:40] apachelogger: I ain't no artist [14:41] yesterday someone wanted to make a salesperson out of me, today an artist [14:41] txwikinger: https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=3013 [14:41] ubuntu - ubuntu [14:44] Is it against the Human Rights Act to be forced to use FF? [14:46] txwikinger: you're in Canada. Your Human Rights are controlled by the US now. [14:46] Riddell: No... they have a Charter of Rights here too [14:46] see, you've lost your sense of irony already :) [14:47] lol [14:51] ROFL [14:52] Riddell: I still have to regain it.. after such a long time in England ;p [14:53] Cacada is going to buy the states after all the banks devalue the property there [14:53] s/Cacada/Canada [14:53] Then sell it on e-bay [14:54] lol [14:54] Riddell: latest kubuntu-default-settings ships 3 bug fixes [14:55] ships? [14:55] rgreening: Right, the Can-$ is already pair to the US-$ [14:56] :) [14:56] now we have the monopoly moneh [14:56] Riddell: to temp remove a patch, I can simply remove it from the series file without deleting if from the patches dir (correct)? [14:56] Riddell: includes, holds, well, it would be fixing 3 bugs if you were uploading it ;-) [14:56] rgreening: yes [14:57] kk [14:57] rgreening: make sure it's unapplied before you do [14:57] ok [14:59] morning Riddell [15:00] hi NCommander [15:00] how goes it? [15:01] JontheEchidna: oh, btw,4.4.2 > 4.4.1, so we wouldn't really need to merge at all [15:01] true [15:04] NCommander: ok, battling with NM again [15:05] New Maintainer? [15:05] I feel like the guy in the Duncan Donuts commercials... "time to cmake qt". build, patch fail. Remove patch. Build... :) [15:05] network-manager [15:06] * rgreening hates k-n-m at the moment. [15:06] Well.. I am fixing to become more Canadian and get a local driver's licence... Have fun guys! [15:07] gl [15:07] rgreening: Thanks.. need it with my Amp [15:07] rgreening: Thanks.. need it with my Amblyopia [15:07] * rgreening searches wp: [15:08] wow.. never knew lazy eye had a real medical term/condition. learn something new everyday. [15:09] Well.. lazy eye is not a correct description anyway :D [15:09] I know... :) [15:09] later [15:09] I have a lazy something else [15:09] :) [15:09] l*r [15:15] Riddell: Where is the Kubuntu alpha 6 announcement? [15:17] davmor2: somewhere on my todo list [15:18] Not at the top ;) [15:19] anyone else have issues with gpg signing periodically? sometimes when I enter the passphrase it fails. [15:20] * apachelogger thinks davmor2 wants to write the announcement ;-) [15:21] * davmor2 slaps apachelogger hard for having a death wish ;) [15:21] we certainly need a new text producer dood [15:37] * jussi01 thinks davmor2 rocks!!! (and thanks for doing the studio testing :D ) [15:38] * davmor2 is just gladd someone else I think sbeattie did the xubuntu alt i386 tests so I had time too :) [15:41] Riddell: ok, so I spoke too soon on the qt build. HAHA. Didn't realize the significant # of patches that there are. Going through them to verify is going to take a bit longer. [15:45] rgreening: most of the patches are from qt-copy, you may well find they've been updated or removed from svn http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/qt-copy/patches/ [15:46] yeah. found two so far. [16:23] Riddell: 10_config_tests_fixes.diff - last hunk fails - appears unnecessary - should I rename patch or simply correct and keep same name? [16:25] Riddell: think I'll rename -r2.diff [16:30] rgreening: just keep the same name [16:30] ok [16:31] Riddell: been able to elim 5 or so patches [16:32] rgreening: all applied upstream? [16:32] yep === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander [16:52] seele: ping [16:52] pong [16:53] Artemis_Fowl: hows it going? [16:53] seele: good [16:53] but I have no time at all [16:54] school? [16:54] yes [16:54] so I was thinking of just releasing a new version just for the bugfixes [16:54] ok, sounds good [16:54] since I have no time to do any more improvemenets [16:54] i dont know if features could get added at this time anyway [16:55] I think it would require a feature exception but since it contains only bugfixes it will be ok [16:55] ok cool [16:58] seele: btw have you thought of a new password-workflow? [17:04] Artemis_Fowl: no, i havent had time to work on much kde stuff this week because of work [17:16] Riddell: ok, so now I've checked the patches, I can finally start building qt.. lol. Any estimate on time to quild it on a 1.67Hz celeron with 2Gig RAM? [17:17] couple of hours? [17:17] ok, sweet. I'll let you know how it goes then [17:18] building now [17:23] hrm, just installed qt4-designer from the members ppa fro hardy... cant get it to start. anyone seen this? [17:23] I'm running designer now, so no :) [17:24] ohh.. it segfaults... [17:25] http://paste.ubuntu.com/48341/ [17:26] I get all that, except the segfault [17:26] hrm [17:27] see what gdb has to say? [17:27] ok, dont laugh, but please tell me how to use gdb... [17:27] I thought you may as ;) [17:28] run "gdb designer" to start [17:28] then type "run" to get designer starting, it should then segfault somewhere, type "bt" to get a backtrace [17:28] then "c" then "q" to finally exit gdb [17:29] http://paste.ubuntu.com/48343/ [17:31] jussi01: what does "dpkg -l | grep qt4" show? [17:32] http://paste.ubuntu.com/48344/ [17:32] well, doesn't look like an installation issue [17:32] hrm [17:33] the only really non standard thing here is I have fglrx from envy... [17:33] (although I wish I knew how to revert) [17:34] jussi01: what's the md5sum of /usr/lib/libQtDesignerComponents.so.4.4.1? could be a bad download [17:34] 76fa42e5fb25c082724ad076f8a26e8c /usr/lib/libQtDesignerComponents.so.4.4.1 [17:34] 76fa42e5fb25c082724ad076f8a26e8c /usr/lib/libQtDesignerComponents.so.4.4.1 [17:34] nope [17:35] have you tried the "windows fix" yet? [17:35] no? [17:35] which is? [17:36] restart? [17:36] hehe [17:36] yeah :p or just logout/in [17:36] brb [17:36] I've (had to) reboot since the update [17:36] so I don't know if that has anything to do with it [17:42] stdin: nope. still broken. weird [17:44] is it possible its missing a dep? [17:48] the only things I have that you don't are "qt4-dev-tools" and "qt4-doc" [17:48] oh, and libqt4-dbg [18:54] jussi01: do you have firefox installed? [18:55] apachelogger: yes [18:55] jussi01: hardy? [18:55] yes [18:56] jussi01: please try http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17764996/mozilla-plugin-plasma_0.1~git20080918-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa3_i386.deb [18:56] you should be able to test it if you access /usr/share/doc/mozilla-plugin-plasma/examples/plasma.html in firefox [19:01] apachelogger: that gives me "plasma!!!!" and a plugin install thing, which finds no plugins [19:01] jussi01: did you restart firefox? [19:07] yes [19:07] (not the first time, but when I tried again same thing) [19:08] apachelogger: ^ same for me [19:08] and about:plugins doesn't show it [19:08] fun [19:08] well [19:08] it probably wouldn't work anyway [19:08] * apachelogger senses 4.2 dependency [19:09] doh!! [19:10] 4.4.2 on the way soonish [19:10] doh.. nm [19:10] I was thinking Qt and not KDE [19:10] lol [19:11] Anyone got a KDE4.2 PPA started for pre-release? [19:11] I'm on 4.2 world already, iu [19:11] got debs or SVN? [19:11] I build daily from svn [19:12] cool [19:12] adventurous [19:12] :) [19:12] not really (:) [19:12] how the heck do i install deb files in kubuntu kde4 mix ? [19:12] dpkg -i [19:12] wajig install /path/to/package ? [19:14] !neon | rgreening [19:14] Sorry, I don't know anything about neon [19:14] uh [19:14] aww [19:14] oh [19:14] lol [19:14] son, fix it [19:14] no [19:14] no time [19:14] * apachelogger gotta investigate something [19:15] how stupid.. deb files opened with the useless ark-kde4 [19:15] had to manually install gdebi-kde4 [19:15] jussi01: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/quassel ;-) [19:15] DreadKnight: intrepid? [19:16] apachelogger: kde4 mix hardy [19:16] can't even manage to install intrepid... [19:16] I am pretty sure we had gdebi-kde4 in the cd seed [19:16] apachelogger: nice work!! [19:16] * apachelogger reads createTar() started with component: amarok-nightly-qt [19:16] apachelogger: did an apt-cache search and there is not even gdebi-kde4 there btw [19:17] Oo [19:17] !package gdebi-kde4 [19:17] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [19:17] gdebi, gdebi-core and gdebi-kde [19:17] you want !info probably [19:17] !info gdebi-kde4 [19:17] Package gdebi-kde4 does not exist in hardy [19:17] xD [19:18] stdin: alias that [19:18] DreadKnight: oh [19:18] right [19:18] there is no such package [19:18] and gdebi-kde is damn slow on one of my boxes... eats the crap out of the cpu [19:18] gdebi is used, and that is pretty much in the cd seed [19:18] perhaps a bug; gdebi (on gnome) is a breeze [19:18] perhaps [19:19] apachelogger: backport gdebi-kde4 to hardy? ^^ [19:19] there is no gdebi-kde4 in intrepid either [19:19] erm [19:20] jussi01, JontheEchidna, stdin: suggestions about what I could be blogging? [19:20] also, bought a tablet pc recently... and the out of the box config for tablet pc's plain sucks; could be improved dramatically with few changes; plenty of similar how-to's on the net in order to hack your way.. like wtf... [19:20] apachelogger: about quassel of course :D [19:22] DreadKnight: you could buy me one as well, then I would probably make it behave smoother [19:23] apachelogger: i have suggestions on how the experience can be improved; could buy you a beer :-) [19:23] * apachelogger can't really do anything without such a device :P [19:24] I'm getting a Pandora [19:24] even if wacom-tools are installed; the devices are not added to xorg.conf [19:24] Ubuntu is going on it [19:25] and there is a bug, when rotating screen with krandrtray doesn't rotates the coordonates maping for the stylus [19:27] also creating a right-click for the stylus using the button or mapping the hardware keys by having some handy application around; manage to map the button to right click using a start-up bashbin script i recall, but didn't had enough pacience to map keys [19:30] * rgreening patiently waiting for Qt4.4.2 to finish building.... [19:56] hi guys, i just bought a dell studio 15 and i'm running intrepid on it [19:56] how can i check if it has excesive load/unload cycles? [19:58] digistyl3: uptime? [19:58] If i correctly understand your question [19:59] it shows the system load for the past 1, 5 and 15 minutes [20:00] smarter: uptime 9 miutes [20:01] I thought it was about the hard drive aggressive unload cycling for maximum power saving. :) [20:01] load average 0.01, 0.23, 0.20 [20:02] smarter: should i use this guide for intrepid? [20:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerManagement#How to get disks idleing correctly (without excessive load cycling) [20:03] So it was about it after all. [20:05] From that page:"Current state in intrepid (ubuntu 8.10) is..." [20:07]