[00:19] sweet. my launchpad catchall now works. [00:19] :) [00:29] Hobbsee: How? Not all of the emails have the right headers... [00:29] wgrant: X-generated-by: Launchpad (canonical.com) [00:30] Aha. [00:34] gmail still can't filter by headers, right? [00:35] no idea, sorry, I don't use gmail much. [00:35] well, it only forwards everything that gmail doesn't think is spam, to my fastmail. [00:36] I guess I'll keep fighting against my inbox for now then... [00:38] hmmmm [00:39] spam: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/228261 [00:39] Ubuntu bug 228261 in malone "The arrow next to add comment/attachment on the bug page is too large" [Low,Fix committed] [00:39] any admins to close an account? https://edge.launchpad.net/~metehanist [00:39] kiko-afk, Rinchen ? [00:41] that user is editing bug comments and filling them with spam [00:42] Can someone please ban a user from the gutsy/fiesty backports [00:42] ^trackers [00:42] He keeps subscribing bugs to these trackers despite multiple emails to ask him to stop [00:43] NCommander: still no admins around, it appears. beuno's just asked for one too. [00:43] THis is getting insane [00:43] The trackers are now unusable [00:43] SInce we have almost 50+ items added [00:44] We need a way to vote people out of Launchpad. [00:45] Oh, nice spam. [00:45] * wgrant wonders if we should revert them as we see them. [00:45] I'd say revert, report [00:45] I guess somebody will have to trawl through notifications, unless we can get a sysadmin to work out how to revert them... [00:46] wgrant, you mean bug comments? [00:46] beuno: No, description. [00:47] wgrant, it's easy [00:47] just go the the activity log [00:47] see what they changed, profit [00:47] Ah, true. [00:47] Pretty much the one thing the activity log can actually be used for. [00:47] NCommander, can you file a question about that? [00:48] beuno: It'll expire 4 times before anyone gets to it... [00:48] I'll make sure to poke admins tomorrow [00:48] Won't it, Hobbsee? [00:48] beuno, can his bugtracker changes be unwound [00:48] wgrant: maybe only 3. [00:48] Tasks are not revokable. [00:48] wgrant: but essentially, yes. [00:48] wgrant, I'll poke people :) [00:48] beuno: can't you call one of the admins? [00:48] right. [00:48] Unless you can convince kiko that it's a good idea, I guess. [00:49] Hobbsee, they're all either trying to fix something, or resting [00:50] beuno: sounds like you need more admins then, tbh. [00:50] Hobbsee, I agree. I'll see what can be done about that [00:51] * beuno re-pokes kiko-afk about that ^ [00:51] beuno, generally speaking, I'm now getting spammed at a rate I had to unsuscibe from the team [00:51] beuno: also, NCommander has been in here since yesterday about this. [00:51] argh [00:51] Maybe there needs to be a superset of ~admins that can embargo accounts in an emergency. [00:51] I'm sorry about that [00:51] So can we please get someone to call? [00:52] * beuno re-tries [00:53] There should be a LOSA around now... spm, surely. [00:53] NCommander: who is the offender? [00:53] and yes, a LOSA can do this [00:53] and the man is spm [00:53] technical-ezekiel33 [00:53] I think he's opened now 100 new bugs [00:54] Or added fiesty/gutsy backport tracker to the existing bugs [00:56] https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+question/45643 [00:57] NCommander, so, our safest bet is to wait for spm to get off the phone :) [00:57] if you see him move, jump on him! [00:57] Can you please mark this critical [00:57] Or something [00:58] He's currently adding more spam [00:58] and if automatic deletation isn't possible [00:58] Closing and removing all these bugs will be a pain [00:59] beuno, on an unrelated side note, can you setup super-groups? [01:00] super-projects? [01:00] Only ~admins can. [01:00] NCommander, working on getting your question answered. And no, I can't either. [01:00] I feel dirty saying this [01:00] but file a question, and admin will get to it [01:00] * beuno ducks [01:00] Was "duck"ing deliberate there? [01:01] It was rather well done, I must say. [01:01] I've been thinking about super projects somewhat lately [01:01] I'll talk with beuno next week about it [01:01] Super projects, projects, project groups... do they have any other names? [01:01] beuno: and come up with more and more elaborate responses each time it times out because no one responded? [01:01] wgrant: :-) [01:02] thumper, we've got quite an agenda for next week! [01:02] * Hobbsee ponders finding out the stats on unanswered, expired questions from the lp guys, again [01:02] beuno: we have an agenda? [01:02] Hobbsee: I suppose we'll be able to do that via the API soon [01:02] Hobbsee: we have an api now :-) [01:02] Hobbsee, I'm really sorry, I try my best :( [01:02] wgrant: and cron it? :) [01:02] thumper, well, in my head and in some tomboy notes I have! [01:02] Indeed. [01:03] * wgrant disappears. [01:03] beuno: i figured :) [01:04] Hobbsee, please do continue pushing for a better response time, it's very much appreciated [01:04] beuno: heh, okay... [01:08] * NCommander sighs [01:08] Still at it [01:09] NCommander, working on it, working on it... [01:10] Sorry [01:10] Its just a little annonying :-/ [01:10] beuno, what will happen to this user? [01:11] NCommander, trying to disable his account for now [01:13] I assume he'll get a reason why his account got disabled [01:13] (I can see this guy, considering disgrad from multiple please stop notices will simply register another one and keep going unless its painfully obvious that he's unwanted) [01:14] The amount of spam has now suprassed the valid bug count. [01:14] \o/ [01:14] NCommander: he's not kmos in disguise or something, is he? [01:14] kmos? [01:15] a problem bug guy / developer / user that we had. [01:15] I'm not sure if this guy is just stupid or not. He's subscribing old releases [01:15] probably just clueless, thinking everything should get updated. [01:15] (its generally noted that backporting requests for anything but the last release and last LTS generally remain unresponded to unless you ping it a few times) [01:15] Wait [01:15] isn't dmos the getdebs.org guy? [01:15] NCommander, disabled [01:15] Well [01:15] NCommander: that's the one. [01:16] That stops the contining damage [01:16] How do we remove the now 150 bugs he's filed on two trackers [01:16] and remove them so they are actually gone (i.e., I don't want to see they if I search for invalid bugs) [01:17] NCommander, this is as far as I can go at 9pm with no real admins around [01:17] *sigh* [01:17] we can try again tomorrow and see what can be done [01:18] I'm going back to my dinner now [01:18] have a good evening everyone [01:19] NCommander: i expect they can do that at the DB level. [01:19] thanks beuno [01:19] Hobbsee, so freaking anonying [01:20] Its a pity you can ban idiots in real life [01:20] Uh [01:20] I think the ban failed [01:20] I'm still getting his emails [01:20] NCommander: it takes a while for the emails to stop - that's on a cron. [01:21] oh yay [01:21] Up to 10 minutes. [01:21] Though some do appear in the future. [01:21] Oh [01:21] That's ironic [01:21] What? [01:22] The very last messages I got were the bugs being set to incomplete [01:22] Hah. [01:22] (after he opens them all) [01:22] NCommander: 267982 should be the last bug? [01:22] spm, ? [01:22] I real live LOSA at this hour. Amazing! [01:22] I dunno [01:22] Sorry [01:22] wgrant: 10:22am? :-) [01:22] The trackers are so spammed up at the moment I'm not quite sure where things begin or end [01:23] spm: Yes, it's just a new thing to have a ~admins member that isn't on the other side of the world. [01:23] I dunno if he just read my email or not, but the last bunch these emails are things being set to incomplete [01:23] *sigh* [01:23] I can't tell if this is stupidity or not [01:23] wgrant: some would argue that canberra IS the other side of the world from the rest of australia :-) [01:23] haha [01:23] Hahah. [01:24] * Hobbsee trouts spm, from the other side of the world. [01:24] Hobbsee: Antarctica, no? [01:24] Spads, the highest bug I can see is 271575 [01:24] But there ar elikely higher ones that got marked invalid [01:24] At least my positioning is within a few tens of kilometres. Or is it? Anybody could have set it! [01:25] * NCommander likes that Hobbsee is in the middle of nowhere [01:25] NCommander: cool - ok is good to know there may be others. am seeing what I can do from a cleanup perspective atm. pls be bearing with me - may not be fast. [01:26] spm, well, its the older backport trackers which got spammed to hell [01:26] So they aren't as used as hardy-backports is [01:26] Hobbsee: as in a fish slapping dance type of trouting? interesting! :-) [01:26] NCommander: ok - I'm just doing a simple bugs related by date seach to start with [01:26] Pretty much bugs from the last 48 hours [01:27] There were no new bugs that were valid as far as I could tell [01:28] NCommander: cool [01:28] The bugs themselves are valid against the Ubuntu package [01:28] Its just the backports tasks that need to be deleted [01:29] s/deleted/invalidated/, I suspect. [01:29] wgrant, that would screw up search results if you look against invalid bugs [01:29] There is more spam ATM then legit bugs ever [01:29] I can imagine there would be some inconvenient references in BugNotification, among other tables. [01:29] spm: dance? no, i don't dance :) [01:29] Launchpad needs a delete task button then :-P [01:29] wgrant: i meant sydney, but antarctica's good too. [01:30] * NCommander teachs Hobbsee how to dance [01:30] * Hobbsee refuses [01:30] * NCommander drags Hobbsee onto the dance floor [01:30] now that's just mean. [01:30] what's meee [01:30] * wgrant pushes Hobbsee into a pool. [01:30] Or amusing, depending on how bad you can dance [01:30] oy! [01:31] * NCommander takes pictures of Hobbsee in the pool [01:31] kiko-afk: You are you. [01:31] Unsurprisingly enough. [01:31] except for the 'afk' bit :) [01:31] He has remarkable remote typing skills, I must say. [01:31] telepathic typing. somebody wants me to do something adminny? [01:31] kiko-afk, yes [01:31] make me an admin [01:31] * NCommander runs [01:31] j/k [01:32] Two bug trackers of the backports project got spammed to hell [01:32] I think all the necessary users have been killed, haven't they? [01:32] wgrant, well, I'm hoping the bugs can be mass closed [01:32] I don't want to close 150 bugs by hand [01:32] SIGECUTE support in Launchpad would be nice, but we'll have to live with deactivation for now. [01:32] wgrant: and an IQ test on registering. [01:32] NCommander, eww, how gross. you've filed a question for that? [01:32] kiko-afk, yeah [01:32] kiko-afk, the abuse started yesterday, but your the first admin I caught [01:33] https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+question/45643 [01:33] Hobbsee, IQ is no indication of intelligence. [01:33] NCommander: then better metrics are needed. [01:34] No one has built an idiot detector [01:34] And even if they did, it would likely only work on imperial idiots and not metric [01:34] stupidity usually fails to cross international borders [01:35] NCommander, I'll look into this tomorrow. can you add a note to the question explaining why Invalid doesn't help you? [01:36] OK [01:36] We could always go with the idea given in the last panel of http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/taking-freedom-further. [01:38] or do it in reverse: if half of the ubuntu devs pay 1c each, we deactivate the accoutn [01:39] Spend 10000 karma, deactivate an account :P [01:39] better! [01:39] mwh: When did you join the league of three-character usernames? [01:39] \o/ [01:40] * NCommander joins the three letter league === NCommander is now known as MAC [01:40] argh [01:40] Too many people seem to be doing it. [01:40] ITs a registered nickname [01:40] wgrant: well, about 7 years ago, but in the immediate case so i could op myself on another channel === MAC is now known as NCommander === mwh is now known as mwhudson [01:40] mwhudson: Ah. [01:41] oh, i exaggerated slightly [01:41] Registered : Feb 27 17:10:59 2003 (5 years, 29 weeks, 2 days, 07:30:25 ago) [01:44] how do you get that statistic? [01:45] /msg nickserv info jml === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson [01:45] (i came to irc a relatively long time after i got involved with open sourcey stuff) [01:46] cjwatson: hello [01:46] * wgrant blames being relatively young. [01:46] mwhudson: I can appreciate the delay myself. IRC? 7 weeks ago. Open Sourcy Stuff (pre "Open Source" as a phrase) 1990. :-) [01:47] spm: :) [01:47] spm: old fogey, clearly [01:47] is *soooo* embarrassing finding those old emails and news postings appear now and then [01:47] spm: out of curiosity, were you in Canberra then? [01:47] BrisVegas [01:47] spm: oh well, yes, we all have that [01:48] jml: moved to canberra in '91 - still consider myself a Qlder tho. go figure :-D [01:48] jml: hello, but it's just an autoreconnect ... [01:48] was that back when Fortitude Valley was actually affordable? [01:48] jml: not to a Uni student [01:49] cjwatson: np. I'll try to get in touch with you some time next week probably. [01:50] jml: oh, you actually wanted to talk to me? :-) Some people see an automatic reconnect as an opportunity to be social, you see ... [01:50] mwhudson: yes to the old fogey. :-) Still looking around in amazement wondering how/when I suddenly joined the grumpy old farts club. Weird... :-D [01:50] what's up? [01:51] spm: i'm probably older than the average for canonical [01:51] cjwatson: well, I'd like to have a chat with you about source package branches. [01:51] jml: always up for that [01:51] cjwatson: even so late? [01:51] well, you might not get very high quality of thought [01:51] cjwatson: because I'm happy to call you on your morning sometime next week :) [01:51] ok, that works too [01:52] I generally keep most mornings free of scheduled appointments [01:52] so pick your time [01:53] 9am your time? [01:53] mwhudson: clearly we'll have to compare walking frames in tartan designs/colouring. w00t. the excitement and anticipation is causing my pacemaker to shock me. sweet. [01:53] Hahah. [01:53] you're in British Summer Time, right? [01:53] spm, his account has not been disabled [01:54] I'm still getting new messages [01:54] on Monday, that is. [01:54] * jml thought that really hard but didn't actually type it. :\ [01:54] Doesn't look very disabled to me... [01:55] Good god. [01:55] His karma page. [01:55] NCommander: interesting - appears to have been re-enabled - the fix we have/use should have stopped that from happening [01:55] Comments comments comments comments comments. [01:55] yeah [01:55] He's now marking each bug incomplete [01:55] Seems he read my email [01:55] (finally) [01:55] Oh, not saying "Sorry" to each bug spamming you hundreds of times? [01:55] Boring. [01:55] -_-; [01:55] * NCommander cries [01:56] I've deleted 400 emails now [01:56] NCommander: advanced search is your friend. [01:56] Oh, nice. He's marked lots for feisty, gutsy *and* hardy. [01:56] argh [01:57] And to top it all off, his account disabled, and yet he's still going [01:57] Nice to see that WONDERFUL engineering behind the account disabler at work :-) [01:57] I think spm just redisabled it. [01:57] wgrant: I did [01:57] Oh [01:57] As it looks disabled now. [01:57] Scratch the comment on the enginneering [01:58] https://edge.launchpad.net/~technical-ezekiel33/+karma - that's really pathetic [01:58] He's got more karma then I do just from freaking bugs [01:58] Even I can't triage bugs that quickly. [01:58] wgrant: sure, but you're not a monkey. [01:58] NCommander: Just wait a few hours for the karma cache to update. [01:58] He'll have tens of thousands. [01:58] Well [01:58] wondering out loud: if - because he's logged in, he can still edit his account and thusly fix his email address. :-( [01:59] spm, delete his session [01:59] wow - i'd suspect that has to be using an api or something. [01:59] Oh, it didn't invalidate his session? [01:59] launchpad just doesn't load that quickly. [01:59] For each bug he's getting 7 points of karma [01:59] * 3 for each task he creates [01:59] That's a bug I must file - there's no way to invalidate one's sessions. [01:59] NCommander: How did you calculate that? [01:59] wgrant, file one bug, wait 24 hours [01:59] It goes up seven points [02:00] * 150 or so bugs [02:00] so ... [02:00] NCommander: Bug != BugTask, + comments. [02:00] Oh, and * 2 for each comment hes added [02:00] BAh [02:00] His karma going to cause a buffer overflow bug :-) [02:00] no account -> no karma :> [02:00] https://edge.launchpad.net/~technical-ezekiel33 - his acocunt is back [02:01] lifeless: His account just won't die. [02:01] DELETE FROM Sessions; [02:01] Win. [02:01] He's got too much good karma [02:01] spm: need to nuke the details in the backend, then all the session info [02:01] * NCommander runs from the bad pun [02:02] Is there a reason we can't revoke our oddly long-lived LP cookies from the UI? [02:02] I guess Launchpad re-enables someones account if you do something with it [02:03] * NCommander remembers the rather interesting fun you have banned accounts on Sourceforge [02:03] * wgrant disappears to a lecture. [02:03] * NCommander begs spm to do something to make this stop :-P [02:03] Can you at least disable the backports trackers so they can no longer be spammed [02:03] NCommander: working on it! [02:03] At this point, that would be an improvement [02:04] * NCommander notes that when spm fixes this, I shall throw a party in his honour [02:06] * NCommander plays on Dogfood [02:10] beside dogfood and staging, which other LP instances are there? [02:11] NCommander: have you maanged to speak tot he dude ? [02:11] Well, it seems he got my email since I told him none of his backport request were valid and to stop filing them [02:11] I dunno if he actual read it or not [02:11] But there is no reply [02:12] * NCommander is seeing if he can find any interesting bugs on dogfood [02:23] NCommander: have a possible solution in place - so let me know if more stuff comes in [02:24] You have 44 new emails [02:24] :-P [02:24] So yeah ... [02:24] the backlog may be a while :-) [02:24] NCommander: one *possible* workaround for your pain at your end - namely too much email - just filter on emails from him and delete??? [02:25] Already done [02:25] Still need to keep an eye on the damage though [02:25] heh. the bigger stick approach :-) [02:25] sure - at this stage i'm in mitigation - cleanup is next [02:26] so what did you do? [02:26] Is his account finally disabled? [02:26] jml: 9am on Monday is fine [02:26] while 1 disable forever :-) [02:26] jml: (sorry for the delay) [02:27] cjwatson: cool. [02:28] ok [02:36] spm, I think your banhammer missed the mark [02:36] NCommander: in what way? [02:36] Still getting emails [02:37] older ones? his/her karma report is showing as 20 minutes ago for last change [02:37] Maybe its still the queue [02:37] But I'm getting a nice steady drizzle of emails :-) [02:37] good ol' dev null to the rescue [02:38] This reminds me of the South Park World of Warcraft episode [02:38] but agreed - is irritating that it's even an issue. :-) [02:38] "He's become too strong to ban!" [02:38] heh [02:39] Does he get a reason when he tries to login explaining why his account is disabled? [02:40] i don't believe so - hopefully they have the sense to ask why their account is disabled [02:41] spm, you could disable my account and I could tell you [02:41] or ban my account on staging [02:41] NCommander: that might *not* be a good idea. :-) lemme try against my local copy with a dummy account [02:41] argh [02:42] you have a local Launchpad [02:42] ;.; [02:42] sorta - in that it's a dev copy - but is useful for us (losas) testing breakables, upgrades etc [02:43] I just want my own copy of launchpad for Soyuz [02:43] Unless we could get Canonical to host and run a copy of publisher for us ;-) [02:44] NCommander: have you spoken to kiko ? [02:44] the flippant response to copy for soyuz would be: bug 50699 but I wouldn't ever be that evil :-P [02:44] Launchpad bug 50699 in launchpad-foundations "Launchpad should be free software (free as in freedom)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/50699 [02:44] lifeless, I talked in passing about it, but Soyuz's design doesn't allow publisher to be run across the internet securely [02:45] so unless Canonical hosted our archive, its not fessible [02:46] * NCommander is rather interested to see what the admin interfaces of Soyuz looked like so I could learn how badly it slaughters dak [02:47] It isn't so hawt :P [02:47] cody-somerville, you've played with Soyuz's archive tools? [02:48] NCommander, you've used the PPA haven't you? :P [02:48] cody-somerville, of course I have. Xfce 4.6 :-P [02:48] I'm talking more for handling of ports, classification of package sections, NEW queue, etc. [02:48] All the things dak does, but does in a "fun" way [02:49] * NCommander blinks [02:49] cody-somerville, you use pike? [02:49] Yes. [02:49] o_o; [02:49] Why do you ask? [02:49] I've never seen anyone else ever use it [02:50] My first programming language was LPC. [02:50] That explains the braindamage ;-) [02:50] * NCommander runs [02:50] j/k [02:50] I shouldn't speak [02:50] I know Ada [02:50] :P I love LPC [02:51] you've got more icons than me [02:51] which is saying something [02:52] hehe [02:52] I'm slowing down in my old age :( [02:53] 27 vs 30 [02:53] If I become an MOTU, we'll tie up :-) [02:55] correction, 28 vs 30 [02:58] NCommander, That is until I start adding icons to the all the teams (https://edge.launchpad.net/~cody-somerville/+participation) I'm a member of that don't have one yet :P [02:59] cody-somerville, I think a constest is on between the two of us to see who can cause a scroll bar on our profiles to appears at 1024x768 [02:59] NCommander, indeed. In the name of testing the scalability of launchpad of course :P [03:00] I think I have a more interesting set [03:00] Kubuntu and Xubuntu on the same profile :-) [03:00] NCommander, I /wonder/ how difficult it would be for me to get mythbuntu, kubuntu, and edubuntu? :P [03:01] Well, to get in Kubuntu, you need to actually commit some serious contributions [03:05] spm, my inbox has gone silent [03:08] * wgrant looks suspiciously at /etc/aliases on fiordland. [03:10] NCommander: cool/good news. do ping me if any more new ones come back - still chasing on the proper cleanup method [03:10] spm, I'm suprised Launchpad doesn't have a despammer [03:17] It doesn't get hit too often, fortunately. [03:40] hmm. looks like there's no easy way to filter team-generated bugmail from user-generated bugmail. [03:42] Hobbsee: X-Launchpad-Rationale? [03:42] Or -Message-Rationale or something like that. [03:43] wgrant: it doesn't specify a user - only a team. [03:43] Hobbsee: Ah. [03:43] that's what i was going to do - until i saw the headers. [07:54]