[00:07] <solomeh> I have a MacBook and when I boot up it freezes halfway through the orange bar
[00:07] <solomeh> I have to hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 to see some text messages, no explicit error though
[00:07] <solomeh> But it still won't continue booting.
[00:07] <solomeh> I have to hit Fn + Ctrl + Alt + Command + Backspace
[00:08] <solomeh> Or some smaller combination of those keys
[00:08] <solomeh> then it continues booting fine (without the usplash screen though)
[00:15] <eklof> Hi. is alpha 6 released ?
[00:16] <telexicon_> i guess not v_v
[00:16] <eklof> ok
[00:18] <eklof> alpha 6 seems to be out
[00:19] <eklof> it's on the dl page at least
[00:30] <generic> christ
[00:31] <generic> i pasted the link to http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-6/intrepid-desktop-i386.iso.torrent in 'ubuntu
[00:31] <generic> and i get banned
[00:31] <generic> that chan is going to shite
[00:31] <blayde_> ha ha - you're Jack_Sparrow?
[00:31] <generic> no he banned me
[00:32] <blayde_> ya they're kinda super peeved over there
[00:32] <generic> because i announced that it was released?
[00:32] <generic> well he can go and sh**e
[00:32] <blayde_> it would seem that way - i think it's the links they get mad about
[00:32] <generic> blayde_, coming up to new releases and on release day, torrent links are handy
[00:33] <blayde_> you should have been in the release_party channel when hardy came out
[00:33] <generic> saves on  bandwidth, and also spreading the word
[00:33] <blayde_> people were getting banned left and right
[00:33] <generic> blayde_, been there
[00:33] <jrib> generic, blayde_: it's offtopic in #ubuntu first of all.  Your current discussion isn't appropriate at all now either.
[00:33] <blayde_> ya i always seed the lastest alpha but i just wait til my bittorrent client is yelling at me
[00:33] <generic> yup thanks jrib
[00:33] <blayde_> and i
[00:33] <blayde_> 'll be quiet now
[00:34] <brainsonfire> its called dickfear ;)
[00:34] <brainsonfire> but anyway, i have a question i wonder if any od you can help me
[00:34] <generic> shhh no talking !
[00:34] <generic> :P
[00:34] <blayde_> ha ha - i say fire away!
[00:41] <Hobbsee> blayde_: what makes you think a whole lot of often new users would be suitable in downloading, and using, a development release of ubuntu, which may eat your hard drive?
[00:41] <brainsonfire> since upgrading to ibex alpha 5 yesterday xorg uses xorg.conf.failsafe for some reason, i have no idea why :(
[00:41] <brainsonfire> i also cant Ctrl+Alt+F5 to restart gdm,   all i see is a blinking cursor
[00:41] <brainsonfire> anyone have any idea how i can find out why xorg is using failsafe ?
[00:42] <brainsonfire> sorry, my line dropped
[00:42] <blayde_> Hobbsee: umm... i didn't post the link...
[00:42] <brainsonfire> anyone have any idea what could cause xorg to use xorg.conf.failsafe?
[00:42] <Hobbsee> blayde_: as for -release-party, those images occasionally do get changed, before the released mail is sent out, if something major is discovered late - and you wouldn't want everyone downloading the wrong thing, do you?
[00:42] <Hobbsee> blayde_: oh, my error.  the first was for generic
[00:43] <blayde_> Hobbsee: and i didn't really post any links in the release party either - that's why i saw everyone getting banned
[00:44] <Hobbsee> blayde_: right.  just giving you the reasoning for why :)
[00:44] <Hobbsee> besides, i thought we mostly removed this time, not banned.
[00:46] <blayde_> ya i don't really know what the policy is... and i hate to say it but i have no idea what to do for you, brainsonfire
[00:47] <CarlFK> brainsonfire: yeah, hang on
[00:47] <brainsonfire> :(
[00:51] <CarlFK> brainsonfire: in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf  # out ### FailsafeXServer=/etc/gdm/failsafeXServer
[00:52] <CarlFK> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart - it should give you a text error with the option to view the log
[00:57] <Hobbsee> hm, that had no response.
[01:09] <solomeh> I have a MacBook and when I boot up it freezes halfway through the orange bar...  I have to hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 to see some text messages, no explicit error though
[01:10] <solomeh> But it still won't continue booting.  I have to hit Fn + Ctrl + Alt + Command + Backspace   then it continues booting fine (without the usplash screen though)
[01:17] <chowmeined> oh nice
[01:17] <chowmeined> it got releasedah
[01:19] <eeejay> will f-spot 0.5.0 make into intrepid, or is the freeze solid?
[01:21] <generic> i hate f-spot
[01:21] <eeejay> generic: i am sorry to hear that
[01:24] <x1250> Does changing brightness and contrast work for anyone in totem? Changing their values in here does nothing :(
[01:27] <chowmeined> hmm
[01:27] <chowmeined> im no longer able to adjust the brightness on my laptop's LCD
[01:51] <J_Smirnoff> !ops
[01:53] <CarlFK> J_Smirnoff: what?
[01:53] <CarlFK> yeah.
[01:53] <Hobbsee> that's an op doing that, too...
[01:54] <outbri> what *is* the op command for?
[01:54] <Pici> Emergencies.
[01:54] <CarlFK> outbri: spammers, bad language, trolls...
[01:54] <Hobbsee> outbri: people spamming teh channel / breaking the rules / etc.
[01:55] <CarlFK> ﻿﻿breaking the rules <- right answer :)
[01:55] <outbri> so if anyone is breaking the rules you can enter that command? so it's just to get the attention of the mods to kick the person out?
[01:55] <Hobbsee> outbri: pretty much.
[01:55] <outbri> ok
[01:55] <Hobbsee> outbri: although you may well get kicked out if you use it, and it wasn't someone breaking the rules :)
[01:56] <outbri> so I saw
[01:57] <CarlFK> Hobbsee: I am sure there is a rule about crying wolf :)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> CarlFK: yeah ;)
[01:57] <Hobbsee> (dealing in pm)
[01:58] <CarlFK> leme guess, it was an accident...
[01:58] <DanaG> Odd... Flash just crashed in the MIDDLE of a video.
[01:59] <Hobbsee> CarlFK: no, he wanted to know who the ops were in here.  *eyeroll*
[02:00] <Pici> I think we should keep discussion in this channel ontopic...
[02:01] <DanaG> Here's an idea for a command that'll tell who are ops: insert spaces between characters.
[02:01] <DanaG> S o ,   t h i n g s   w o u l d   l o o k   l i k e   t h i s .
[02:01] <Hobbsee> Pici: teach your ops how to use chanserv, please :)
[02:09] <DanaG> Heh, 1.0GB disk; total storage: 936MB.
[02:09] <DanaG> Mmm, 50% CPU usage from ntfs-3g, at the moment.
[02:40] <yaser> Hi, why can it be that, my Mobility ATI HD400(well recognized by Restricted Driver Manager) in Hardy, and perfectly recognized in "lspci" list(in Intrepid), now is not listed in Driver Manager?
[02:41] <yaser> lshw says something as "unclaimed", is that a kernel problem?
[02:42] <yaser> is very paradojic as fglrinfo, says there is Direct Rendering
[02:42] <yaser> please any idea about
[02:43] <CarlFK> yaser: did you file a bug report?
[02:45] <RAOF> yaser: I presume that's a Mobility HD 4000, not 400
[02:45] <RAOF> ?
[02:46] <RAOF> If so, the answer is likely to be "ATI doesn't support our Xserver yet".
[02:46] <yaser> Carlk, I have never made one
[02:47] <yaser> RAOF: your right its 4000
[02:48] <RAOF> And the reason why you're getting "direct rendering: yes" is because mesa's software rasteriser now supports direct rendering.
[02:48] <yaser> RAOF: umm, but it doesnt imply visual effects, isnt?
[02:48] <RAOF> No.
[02:49] <RAOF> "direct rendering: yes" has _never_ been equivalent to "you have 3d acceleration".
[02:49] <RAOF> It's just been a reasonable rule-of-thumb.
[02:49] <yaser> RAOF: umm, I see, and do you think that will be fixed by release time, as it is with Hardy?
[02:50] <RAOF> Hopefully, yes.  But we're at the mercy of ATi providing a new driver.
[02:50] <RAOF> (So you're in the same boat as the poor nvidia users with geforce4s or lower)
[02:52] <yaser> RAOF: isnt there something as a backport, so that new kernel can at least recognize the card, even when there is no driver then to use it properly?
[02:52] <RAOF> yaser: No.
[02:52] <RAOF> A backport would imply that it's working somewhere.  It isn't.
[02:52] <RAOF> There's no later version in which it's working :)
[02:53] <LL00> about configure files update, which letter for append both files?
[02:54] <yaser> RAOF: ok, you have very helpful, so your recomendation is that there is no sense in filling a bug report on this, isnt?
[02:56] <arooni> if i want intrepid, which build should i get?
[02:56] <arooni> nightly?
[02:56] <arooni> tribe?
[02:56] <CarlFK> arooni: I like daily
[02:57] <RAOF> yaser: Yes.  there's not much point in filing a bug.
[02:58] <yaser> RAOF: thanks again
[02:59] <Hobbsee> arooni: alpha 6 has beenr eleased today, so probably go for that..
[03:00] <outbri> so the different alpha releases have names?
[03:02] <RAOF> outbri: Not anymore, sadly.  We stopped that tradition with Hardy.
[03:02] <x1250> Does changing brightness and contrast work for anyone in totem? Changing their values in here does nothing :(
[03:02] <PRGUY85> hey anyone tested alpha 6?
[03:02] <outbri> RAOF: so what are the different build names for?
[03:02] <RAOF> outbri: What different build names?
[03:03] <RAOF> x1250: Does your Xv adapter have working brightness and contrast knobs?  IIRC, few do.
[03:03] <outbri> ROAF: just above, these arooni: nightly? arooni: tribe?  CarlFK: arooni: I like daily
[03:03] <yaser> PRGUY85: im using it right now
[03:04] <x1250> RAOF, no idea, but brightness and contrast works with vlc, xgamma, and with the Fn + Arrows keys. I guess it should work in totem too, but it doesn't.
[03:05] <PRGUY85> yaser: any noticeable changes?
[03:05] <PRGUY85> yaser: Im downloading it right now to test it on virtualbox
[03:06] <RAOF> outbri: "Tribe" was from... Gutsy.
[03:09] <outbri> RAOF: oh, hmm.
[03:22]  * mneptok watches Alpha 6 torrent to the office NFS share
[03:23]  * ethana2 is torrenting it also
[03:26] <SteveMartin> is it safe?
[03:27] <RAOF> For some values of 'safe', probably.
[03:28] <RAOF> It's unlikely to accidentally format your harddrive.
[03:28] <CarlFK> i doubt any puppies will die
[03:28] <RAOF> Right.  But it's by no means guaranteed that an upgrade won't break stuff you depend on.
[03:32] <SteveMartin> it is a reference to a Steve Martin movie..."is it safe?"
[03:33] <mneptok> that sounds more like a reference to "Marathon Man"
[03:33] <SteveMartin> damn you're right
[03:34] <DustinHoffman> ok better ;)
[03:37] <DustinHoffman> I should read up on Ibex. Last time I upgraded cuz of PulseAudio (still having porblems). I wonder what is the selling point this time around
[03:40] <jason_> does anyone know how to get an intel X4500 video card working in Intrepid?
[03:42] <dmoerner> it is supported in xorg 7.4 out of the box, i believe
[03:42] <DBO> well
[03:42] <DBO> it crashes dmoerner
[03:43] <DBO> i just get a blacklit black screen =/
[03:43] <DBO> complete computer lockup
[03:43] <dmoerner> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_x4500hd&num=1
[03:43] <dmoerner> hmm that seems to disagree with you
[03:43] <dmoerner> at least for them
[03:43] <dmoerner> file a bug i guess
[03:43] <DBO> there is a bug filed
[03:43] <DBO> its being mostly ignored
[03:44] <dmoerner> #?
[03:44] <DBO> erm, i find again
[03:44] <DBO> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/265119
[03:49] <dmoerner> DBO: its fixed in upstream
[03:49] <dmoerner> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17507
[03:49] <DBO> dmoerner, yeah, but upstream fix does not mean it works in Ubuntu
[03:57]  * Killeroid is away: I'm busy
[03:57]  * Killeroid is back (gone 00:00:04)
[03:58] <RAOF> !away > Killeroid
[03:59] <Killeroid> RAOF: was a mistake, i mistakenly hit ctrl A and it set me away
[04:00] <`Matir> is fglrx causing problems on upgrade to intrepid for anyone?
[04:00] <DanaG> RAOF: oh yeah, the new PulseAudio fixes the CPU-devouring pausing.
[04:01] <DanaG> I'm still getting lots of droputs, though.
[04:01] <tuxxy__> hey anyone got a link for todays Ibex build
[04:01] <DanaG> The dropouts go away if I enable hpet=force... but then I get random hard-lockups.
[04:02] <RAOF> `Matir: Yes; for everyone.  fglrx doesn't work on Intrepid's xserver (unless the recent fglrx upload fixed that).
[04:02] <jrib> tuxxy__: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-6/
[04:02] <`Matir> RAOF, k, ty
[04:02] <tuxxy__> ok just checkin i had the correct one
[04:04] <DanaG> grr, da ng   dropo uts   are ra     ther ann        oying.
[04:04] <DanaG> =þ
[04:05] <LL00> next release is beta? beta = RC?
[04:06] <RAOF> No, the release candidate is RC :)
[04:06] <LL00> I mean after alpha6
[04:06] <dmoerner> beta, then rc
[04:07] <LL00> so 2 more releases before the stable one?
[04:23] <tuxxy__> erm the AMD ISO seems to think I havnt got a 64-bit system
[04:23] <tuxxy__> through vitualbx
[04:23] <DanaG> You have to define the guest as 64-bit, I'd imagine.
[04:24] <RAOF> Do you actually have an x86-64 virtualbox environment?  I didn't think virtualbox supported 64bit guests.
[04:24] <DanaG> Take a look -- it's been updated recently.
[04:24] <DanaG> er, upgraded.
[04:24] <tuxxy__> yes they do with the 2.0 update
[04:26] <tuxxy__> well supposedly, tis not supporting this is it heh
[04:29] <Hew> tuxxy__: I reported that bug already and it's been fixed, you need the *ubuntu2 version of virtualbox-ose
[04:30] <tuxxy__> hmmm
[04:31] <Hew> tuxxy__: Actually, I just tested and the problem still exists. I'll reopen the bug.
[04:31] <tuxxy__> yes thinky uo should, it thinks I have ai686 cpu here heh
[04:31] <tuxxy__> also can you link me
[04:32] <Hew> tuxxy__: bug 271651
[04:33] <Hew> tuxxy__: Please verify you're running the latest version and confirm the report :-)
[04:47] <arooni> folks! how well do nvidia cards work in intrepid daily?
[04:47] <RAOF> Yes*
[04:48] <RAOF> (*) Geforce4 cards or below need not apply.
[04:54] <DanaG> grrr.... nvidia.
[05:01] <arooni> should my /home partition be primary or logical
[05:03] <arooni> how about the chipset p43 from intel
[05:07] <dmoerner> arooni: i have that it works fine
[05:07] <arooni> yay
[05:07] <arooni> god i hope my nvidia geforce 8600gts works with intrepid
[05:07] <arooni> and p43 chipset;
[05:07] <arooni> well find out
[05:19] <arooni> how do i go from intrepid beta..... to the released intrepid?
[05:23] <RAOF> arooni: By successive clicks of the "Update" button.
[05:23] <arooni> ha
[05:27] <_Zeus_> arooni: it's impossible, it's not out yet :P
[05:33] <arooni> um:  i'm still seeing> "low graphics mode"  ... in /var/log/Xorg.log.0 ... i see: EE Failed to initalize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found).... i downloaded restricted drivers for it....
[05:34] <arooni> p43;  8600gts ideas?
[05:40] <DanaG> Argh, now stupid Flash is crashing in the MIDDLE of videos.
[05:46] <yao_ziyuan1> is it safe to upgrade from 8.04 to intrepid alpha 6 and how?
[05:46] <RAOF> Safe?  No.  How?  It's on the release notes (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview)
[05:47] <arooni> how do i get the linux headers for daily build of ubuntu intrepid
[05:47] <arooni> linux-generic is installed
[05:47] <RAOF> Install the linux-headers package?
[05:48] <arooni> its a virtual package that can be one of a couple packages
[05:48] <arooni> i'm not sure which to install
[05:48] <RAOF> linux-headers-generic.
[05:48] <arooni> its already installed
[05:48] <RAOF> Then you've got them.
[05:49] <arooni> nvidia wont compile the drivers because of /asm/semaphore.h no such file or directory
[05:50] <RAOF> How are you getting the nvidia drivers?
[05:50] <arooni> i downloaded the package from their website
[05:50] <RAOF> Won't work.
[05:50] <arooni> restricted driver doesnt work
[05:50] <arooni> says that it failed to init glx extension
[05:51] <RAOF> So, you'd want to pastebin your xorg.conf and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[05:52] <arooni> ok coming right up!@
[05:57] <arooni> RAOF, http://pastebin.com/f6e2a87f (xorg log) and http://pastebin.com/f702646ff
[05:59] <RAOF> Hm.  Can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old?
[05:59] <arooni> RAOF, yessir; coming right up
[06:01] <arooni> RAOF, http://pastebinit.com/f5a8e90e5
[06:02] <RAOF> Broken link.
[06:02] <arooni> sorry one sec
[06:03] <arooni> RAOF, http://pastebin.com/f5a8e90e5
[06:03] <RAOF> arooni: Awesome!  I suggest reading that log file you posted :)
[06:04] <RAOF> Lines 169 onward.
[06:04] <arooni> thats the most descriptive error message i've EVER SEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:04] <_Zeus_> wow
[06:05] <_Zeus_> that is incredibly helpful :D
[06:05] <arooni> isnt that a ridiculous error message?
[06:05]  * arooni hugs RAOF 
[06:05] <arooni> probably cuz i never read docs
[06:06] <_Zeus_> yeah, that's insane
[06:12] <arooni> THATS what that damn connector was for
[06:13] <arooni> and now it works
[06:13] <arooni> wow
[06:13]  * arooni hugs RAOF 
[06:33] <supertones> my flash has an issue with crashing a lot and and flickering video i know i know i see that there is a bug report on it i was just wondering if anyone could update me on how that is going?
[06:36] <Hew> supertones: From memory, the next step is to update to Flash 10 RC since the beta has issues
[06:37] <supertones> is that a suggestion for me or something ubuntu plans to do?
[06:37] <Hew> supertones: Flash problems are a well known issue, so I'm sure the devs are doing everything they can (as far as non-free software goes).
[06:37] <Hew> supertones: Something ubuntu plans to do
[06:37] <supertones> do you know if the 64bit is the issue?
[06:37] <Hew> supertones: I also know that gnash is planned to update to 0.8.4 which I'm watching with interest.
[06:37] <davidw89> hi guys
[06:38] <davidw89> is it possible to install a backup version of intrepid ibex without touching hardy?
[06:38] <Hew> supertones: 64-bit is handled by nspluginwrapper, which has a few bugs atm, but I don't think you'll see anything magically improve on 32-bit
[06:38] <RAOF> davidw89: Yes, certainly.  On a separate partition.
[06:39] <supertones> davidw89: you could also use something like virtualbox
[06:39] <Hew> davidw89: What do you mean by "backup version"? You will need to install it on a new partition, separate from Hardy
[06:39] <davidw89> Hi there.
[06:39] <davidw89> BUt that will over-write the GRUB
[06:39] <davidw89> and then iam screwed ; (
[06:39] <Hew> davidw89: No you're not, you can adjust it once you've finished installing.
[06:39] <davidw89> Yeah how do you run 2 or more Distros?
[06:40] <davidw89> got a link?
[06:40] <Hew> davidw89: You can always run it in a VM (like virtualbox-ose) if you really want to keep it separate.
[06:40] <supertones> the install should find both installations
[06:40] <Hew> davidw89: I don't have a link other than google.com, but adjusting menu.lst and making sure the kernels are in the right place always works for me.
[06:40] <davidw89> yeah virtualbox sounds good
[06:41] <davidw89> what are you're setup?
[06:41] <supertones> my hdd blew up so i said what the hell and installed intrepid on a spare one ;-)
[06:42] <davidw89> who where do i download it?
[06:42] <davidw89> cant find it on the main site
[06:42] <davidw89> oh and freedom day tmmr
[07:16] <brandonmpace> Hey I just wanted to know if 8.10 is going to be a lot better that 8.04
[07:16] <brandonmpace> than*
[07:17] <SwedeMike> brandonmpace: better in what aspect?
[07:17] <SwedeMike> it'll support newer hardware, so that's definitely better.
[07:17] <brandonmpace> maybe looks, features
[07:21] <brandonmpace> Is the artwork for 8.10 final right now?
[07:33] <jason> intrepid suspend sucks, s2ram seems to work however.  How can I make it use that?
[08:48] <zniavre> !network-manager
[08:55] <alksldkjfkasld> for production machines that we write code on day and day out.... is intrepid alpha a BAD move?
[08:55] <alksldkjfkasld> not production servers;  but workstations
[08:57] <mazzen> is there a good reason to upgrade?
[08:58] <mazzen> my ati card doesn't work anymore (we have to wait for ati driver, which fits the new kernel/XServer) and unfortunately the free driver doesn't work also
[08:58] <mazzen> (for me, it seems that other people have no problem with the free driver)
[08:59] <mazzen> so, i wouldn't upgrade
[09:02] <Hew> alksldkjfkasld: If stability is a requirement, stick with Hardy for now, until Intrepid is released.
[09:03] <alksldkjfkasld> Hew, when is it realeaseed
[09:03] <alksldkjfkasld> oct 30?
[09:03] <Hew> alksldkjfkasld: yes
[09:03] <Hew> !schedule
[09:04] <Hew> mazzen: Intrepid contains a lot of new stuff, so a good reason to upgrade would be if you want a sneek peak or want to help with testing. If you know you are going to have graphics issues at this stage, perhaps it's best to hold off for now.
[09:07] <mazzen> Hew: you are right. but if you have productive work stations, which have to run fine, as you do programming, i wouldn't upgrade. you? i upgraded from 7.10 to 8.04 alpha6 for some reason (didn't shut down proper, ...) and everything worked fine. after the first updat was my X broken :-/.
[09:08] <mazzen> that's the reason i updated so early to 8.10. i hope(d) that it's possible to fix that issue. but as i posted my xorg.conf and xorg.0.log in #xorg and none had an idea...
[09:09] <Hew> mazzen: Exactly. The standard warnings apply when installing alpha/prerelease software. If the machine in question is needed for something important, you should stick with Hardy.
[09:10] <Hew> mazzen: If you're comfortable with installing Intrepid just to give it a go then that's fine, as long as you are prepared for breakage and the possibility that you might have to revert back to Hardy.
[09:11] <mazzen> i have no problems with unstable and broken things... as long as it's possible to fix them :-)
[09:11] <mazzen> and if i can help to fix them - even better :)
[09:11] <Hew> mazzen: Personally, I don't have any 'critical' tasks I need to perform on my machine, so I run Intrepid and have been helping with testing since Alpha 1. In a worst-case scenario I can always use a LiveCD temporarily, or install the stable version again.
[09:13] <Hew> mazzen: Yep, if you enjoy running the latest version of everything and have little need for stability, then the Intrepid alphas may be for you :-)
[09:13] <mazzen> Hew: hm... i'm afraid that's not possible at all. evolution changed the mail database, didn't?
[09:13] <mazzen> Hew: *no* :) i need a stable OS. but it has to work :)
[09:16] <Hew> mazzen: Sounds like you're wanting something that doesn't exist. Hardy is probably best for you, and if you experience any bugs, seek support.
[09:16] <Hew> mazzen: I don't use evolution so I'm not sure.
[09:20] <vega--> what's this new landscape-* stuff and do i need to care about it as a normal desktop user?
[09:21] <vega--> during upgrade i get: landscape-client is not configured, please run landscape-config.
[09:21] <mazzen> Hew: ? no, no. i guess we're meaning the same, but don't get us. i want that my ati card works in 8.10. and that's why i upgraded so early, so i can make reports and make testing. in general i don't want to use an unstable (testing) OS for productive use
[09:21] <vega--> and then it wants to start some daemon at startup
[09:22] <Hew> mazzen: You could run Hardy and Intrepid on two separate partitions, that way you get the best of both worlds
[09:23] <Hew> vega--: I'm not sure, I just removed it.
[09:25] <mvo> vega--: its not very interessting for desktop users/single machines, its safe to remove
[09:25] <o0Chris0o> is Intreped only coming with kde 4.1 not 3.5?
[09:42] <zzillezz> jockey-kde crashes on every boot in alpha6 is that right?
[10:11] <user_> hi, i have virtualbox 1.6.6 with guest additions installed, but intrepid still offers only 800x600 screen resolution.
[10:24] <Harry2o> Hi - I have 8.10 intrepid alpha5 installed, no problems so far. As of this morning I get "failed to fetch" on apt-get update because of "Hash Sum mismatch". Is there anything like this known?
[10:29] <mvo> Harry2o: are you behind a proxy? what mirror do you use?
[10:32] <Harry2o> no proxy here, internet works just fine. http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/binary-amd64/Packages.bz2  , universe, multiverse, those three URLs get Hash Sum mismatch. It worked ~15h ago. Maybe sth about Alpha6? I _could_ rm files from /var/lib/apt/lists ....
[10:40] <Harry2o> hmm, removing the appropriate files from /var/lib/apt/lists helped .... but I still don't know the reason why it all started to fail
[10:44] <void^> happens every now and then
[10:45] <glance> hellu.
[10:45] <glance> i have some strage problems with nm-applet.
[10:45] <glance> it works but its invisible in the system-tray.
[10:45] <glance> i can find it and click on it but its like 2x2 pixels in size.
[10:46] <glance> almost imposible to hit.
[10:46] <glance> anyone got a clue whats br0ken?
[12:09] <Blinkiz> Need help to understand launchpad ppa's. I have added a repository from a private on over at launchpad.net. But when I run update, it's ignoring this line. Why?
[12:09] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: see #launcchpad
[12:09] <gnomefreak> oops
[12:10] <gnomefreak> see #launchpad
[12:10] <gnomefreak> oh wait a minute
[12:10] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: ignore as in ign?
[12:10] <gnomefreak> or doesnt get posted at all
[12:11] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: yes, as in ign
[12:11] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: please pastebin the output of sudo apt-get update
[12:11] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: most of time ign means nothing for final output
[12:12] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: A pastebin will not show much. I have three launchpad repositories. Two work and one don't
[12:14] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: it will show me enough
[12:14] <gnomefreak> if 3 it should show 3
[12:15] <ratpoison> hello! Does anybody know which Open Office version will be on 8.10 ?
[12:15] <dns53> 3 i think, even if it's still beta
[12:15] <ratpoison> nice
[12:15] <ratpoison> thnx
[12:16] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu.com/48276
[12:17] <gnomefreak> dns53: it will be released end of this month early next month but the person working on it had to leave home due to hurricane but it should get in. the PPA has it for now
[12:17] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: So what do you think my problem is?
[12:17] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: Get:1 http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid Release [27.6kB]
[12:18] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: Get:2 http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid Release [27.6kB]
[12:18] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: Get:3 http://ppa.launchpad.net intrepid Release [27.6kB]
[12:18] <gnomefreak> and your problem is?
[12:18] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: That its not downloading from my third repository on launchpad
[12:19] <gnomefreak> the above was 1 ign than look at bottom for the 3 of them again
[12:19] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: i would make sure your versionign is correct. but first check with apt-cche policy packagenamefromPPA
[12:19] <gnomefreak> damn
[12:19] <gnomefreak> apt-cache policy
[12:20] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: BTW comment out backport repos
[12:20] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: http://paste.ubuntu.com/48278
[12:21] <gnomefreak> b;apt-cache policy packagenameinPPA
[12:21] <gnomefreak> or damnit
[12:21] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: give me pacckage name from your PPA that is not working
[12:23] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: http://img519.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pixmr6.png
[12:23] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: give me the name of a package that you have in the PPA that you think is not working
[12:24] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: https://launchpad.net/~c-korn/+archive . Its the package name "vnc" am after
[12:25] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: in terminal type apt-cache policy vlc
[12:25] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: pastebin the result
[12:25] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: also pastebin your sources.list
[12:26] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: never mind
[12:26] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: http://blinkiz.pastebin.com/d7ebe8b8e
[12:26] <gnomefreak> i checked it
[12:26] <Blinkiz> vlc
[12:26] <Blinkiz> oh
[12:26] <gnomefreak> give me sources.list file
[12:27] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: Sure, w8
[12:27] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: i have a feeling its caused by the sources.list.d
[12:28] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: you added the repos by using system>admin>sources
[12:28] <gnomefreak> right?
[12:28] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: yes
[12:28] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: yep
[12:28] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: add them by hand into /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:28] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: here is sources.list: http://blinkiz.pastebin.com/d2a6b8900
[12:28] <gnomefreak> wait
[12:29] <Blinkiz> :-P
[12:29] <gnomefreak> is yours the only one that being hit?
[12:29] <gnomefreak> you can get packages from other 2?
[12:30] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: Yes, I think so anyway. I can browse with synaptic on two repositories from launchpad.
[12:30] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: cd into /etc/apt/
[12:30] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: than ls
[12:30] <gnomefreak> do you see sources.list.d
[12:31] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: Yes, its a directory that is empty
[12:31] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: removeit
[12:31] <gnomefreak> remove it
[12:31] <gnomefreak> or rename
[12:32] <gnomefreak> than save and run update command
[12:33] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: Well, no change
[12:33] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: ok than see if #launchpad can help you
[12:33] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: Does it not exist any "verbose" mode or log file from apt-get ?
[12:33] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: never mind
[12:33] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: they are for hardy
[12:34] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: look at your PPA
[12:34] <gnomefreak> you have interpid sources in sources.list
[12:34] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: in changelog instead of hardy target use intrepid and rebuild and re push
[12:35] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: You are nice anyway for trying to solve this issue for me :)
[12:35] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: i soulved it already
[12:35] <gnomefreak> solved
[12:35] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: rebuild for intrepid
[12:35] <Blinkiz> what?
[12:36] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: look at your PPA
[12:36] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: vlc and wine are only built for hardy
[12:36] <Blinkiz> Oh
[12:36] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: hint you have intrepid PPA in sources.list
[12:37] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: So that explains why is was working in hardy for me
[12:37] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: How did you found out the solution? Curious.. I want to learn :)
[12:38] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: looking at you sources.list and your PPA
[12:38] <cypherdelic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/271367
[12:38] <gnomefreak> your PPA says hardy on the right and your sources.list you used intrepid sources
[12:38] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: So yoy looked in http://ppa.launchpad.net/c-korn/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/binary-amd64/Packages ?
[12:38] <cypherdelic> How can i provide further informations?
[12:38] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: https://edge.launchpad.net/~c-korn/+archive
[12:39] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: see #ubuntu-bugs
[12:39] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: Aha! now I see it
[12:39] <gnomefreak> or ask on bug
[12:39] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: :)
[12:39] <Blinkiz> gnomefreak: okay, that was easy... hehe... Thanks for helping me gnomefreak. It was.. eehh... fun!
[12:40] <gnomefreak> Blinkiz: np
[12:46] <stephantom> hey there. I've just upgraded a testing machine to intrepid, and the new kernel won't boot. normally there would be something useful in the logs that would tell me what's wrong. but I can't find anything. it just... stops. have a look, please: http://nopaste.biz/51874
[12:58] <Cheery> ok... so this is the next version? how will I get my hands onto it?
[13:00] <stephantom> it'll be released in a final version on october 30th
[13:00] <stephantom> or you can be brave (and risk breaking your system) by upgrading now to a development release. which is not recommended at all.
[13:01] <Cheery> october 30th, but that's not far away
[13:01] <stephantom> nope, it isn't
[13:01] <stephantom> you can check out the schedule here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[13:02] <Cheery> since the dev channel is quiet, I echo one of my question here:
[13:03] <Cheery> I've noticed bunch of new software and such in ubuntu, which makes me concern. Don't you fear you will introduce bunch of legacy behind you and eventually get dragged down by it?
[13:03] <stephantom> cruft is removed on a regular basis. there are also plans for an extra application that should remove leftover applications.
[13:04] <Cheery> of course, if it all goes well, I'd never need to touch xorg.conf anymore for instance.
[13:05] <stephantom> bulletproof xorg was introduced in hardy already. if you'd remove your xorg.conf now xorg should still be able to start properly. of course that mechanism gets improved as time goes by.
[13:06] <Cheery> oh well, I have one radeon HD3650, which I can't use with fglrx, perhaps ought yet try radeonhd
[13:06] <Cheery> it drops into black screen after bootup
[13:08] <stephantom> perhaps, yes. but be patient with intrepid (= hardy+1) until it's released. i already broke one testing machine today :-)
[13:08] <Cheery> also have had some trouble with audio, particularly because of some new stuff added into hardy
[13:08] <Cheery> stephantom: how did you broke it?
[13:08] <Cheery> you mean you broke it completely or just broke the linux install?
[13:09] <stephantom> it doesn't boot the intrepid-kernel at the moment
[13:09] <Cheery> ok, so it's not hardware broken?
[13:09] <Cheery> I don't care about few broken kernels. :)
[13:09] <Cheery> you can fix those without big trouble anyway
[13:10] <stephantom> no, just something with the wireless drivers i guess
[13:11] <stephantom> nothing unfixable, but it would bother people if this were a production machine
[13:11] <Pici> Have you looked for or filed a bug?
[13:12] <Cheery> as long as I can fix my install, I'm happy.
[13:13] <stephantom> Pici: I'm on it. just looking at some log files now...
[13:13] <Pici> stephantom: Okay.
[13:26] <literal> do I have to compile my own vim if I want the 'clipboard' feature compiled in?
[13:28] <mifritscher> hi
[13:28] <mifritscher> I've some severe problems with 8.10
[13:29] <mifritscher> e.g. suspend/standby isn't working anymore
[13:29] <mifritscher> I can't find standby in the new shutdown dialog
[13:29] <mifritscher> suspend only says someting like "it can't be shown whether the user has enough rights"
[13:36] <literal> hm, the vim-gnome seems to provide what I need
[13:36] <literal> vim-gnome package*
[13:51] <white_eagle> sorry if disturbing, but is there a date for when the beta will come out?
[13:53] <Pici> !schedule | white_eagle
[13:53] <white_eagle> thanks
[13:54] <white_eagle> so it's october the second
[13:54] <white_eagle> great :)
[13:56] <Kano> hi, did somebody test pxe boot yet? i got it working with a stupid hack: boot in single mode, then rm /etc/rc?.d/*NetW* , then init 5
[13:56] <Kano> networkmanager sucks...
[13:56] <Kano> it ignores the manual statement in /etc/network/interfaces
[13:59] <chronographer> hello. Anyone got experience with either wicd or rt73 ralink cards???
[13:59] <chronographer> hi all. I am using wicd, and it is nice. But i hav an issue with wireless dropping out, via timeouts to network... If I reconnect, using wicd or ifdown, ifup, it works again. What I want is ... To write a script to reconnect every 10 mins or so, to add to cron asa 10 minutely job!
[14:03] <Ng> Kano: that sounds like there should be a bug, but maybe talk with asac first, he's the NM guy in ubuntu
[14:03] <mifritscher> ah, and te text mode consoles don't work, too
[14:04] <Kano> i use this script - iso loop mounted to /cdrom and then
[14:04] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/fix/casper-terminalserver/casper-terminalserver.sh
[14:05] <Kano> maybe it is helpful for other who want to try pxe boot. i disabled splash + quiet mode to see more
[14:05] <Kano> hardcoded to german layout, you can change that easyly
[14:07] <chronographer> anyone know when the nvidia drivers will work with 2.6.27-3 ?
[14:08] <shadowhywind> is there a way to change inode of a partition without having to backup/restore the data?
[14:10] <Kano> chronographer: usually nvidia 177 + 173 work with it, just not 96 or 71
[14:10] <Kano> for the kernel those drivers are not the problem, the xserver 1.5 is the critical point
[14:11] <Kano> i patched em already for 2.6.27
[14:11] <chronographer> ok
[14:11] <chronographer> I get low graphics when I boot later than -1
[14:12] <Kano> http://kanotix.com/files/install-nvidia-debian.sh
[14:12] <Kano> try this
[14:13] <chronographer> gosh that looks complex! Should I be booted in that kernel first?
[14:13]  * JontheEchidna cries for the 96 drivers
[14:13] <Kano> chronographer: yes
[14:14] <Kano> it autoinstalls latest nvidia
[14:14] <chronographer> Thanks, I will give it a go later
[14:15] <Kano> JontheEchidna: maybe ask in nvnews.net ;)
[14:15] <JontheEchidna> nvidia hasn't updated them yet, but they've been "working on it" for quite some time...
[14:15] <chronographer> Isn't using the nvidia packages a better way to go, better than maintaining it with a script?
[14:17] <Kano> chronographer: i can change the script much faster than u can update nvidia driver packages
[14:18] <chronographer> =)
[14:18] <Kano> i need less than 1 min to update it to new drivers when they are compatible with latest kernel, if not it takes longer of course
[14:18] <chronographer> do I need to removeother nvidia drivers before I start?
[14:18] <Kano> the script will do
[14:18] <chronographer> ok
[14:18] <Ktron> Hey, just upgraded to Intrepid, after the reboot I have no keyboard or mouse at gdm
[14:19] <Kano> maybe rename the xorg.conf
[14:23] <Lynoure> Ktron: no idea, but if you have sshd installed, you could ssh in to troubleshoot. (I guess alt+ctrl Fsomething is non-worky, too)
[14:23] <Ktron> Upgraded to Intrepid, at gdm I have no keyboard or mouse, text only terminals blank with blinking cursors, desktop has either lost network configuration or refuses networking connectivity
[14:23] <Lynoure> oh, that sounds bad.
[14:23] <Kano> i guess nm is really broken ;)
[14:23] <Ktron> Lynoure: yeah, no, I just nmapped my desktop's IP and _nothing_ is there
[14:23] <Ktron> I'm going to try the 'reboot and pray' approach briefly then
[14:26] <Ktron> nope :(
[14:29] <Kano> also i get no X with my 8800 gts 512 with standard driver, only when i install the binary drivers with my script...
[14:29] <Kano> no error in xorg.log however
[14:29] <Kano> nv seems to be really broken too...
[14:31] <Kano> next error, firefox menu is below the ubuntu menu when started, thats really funny...
[14:31] <Kano> i am sure everybody knows alt-space to get into the system menu of it and move it..
[14:32] <keanu> Hi,  I noticed that my touchpad vertical scrolling isn't working.  I know that key repeats wouldn't work before, but I fixed them by disabling/re-enabling that.  Didn't work as well for the vertical scrolling issue.
[14:32] <keanu> Is this a known bug?
[14:34] <Kano> what should be the default java plugin package?
[14:34] <chronographer> if you're patient, it might get fixed in the next few weeks, like all the other issues I have had.
[14:35] <Kano> well i am impatient by default ;)
[14:36] <chronographer> i meant keanu ... but if you're impatient then you're impatient!
[14:37] <keanu> chronographer, ok, that's fine. /me has gone through a few bugs that have been fixed with an update
[14:37] <keanu> thanks
[14:37] <Kano> the icedtea plugin is crap, the games from spin.de do not work
[14:38] <chronographer> at least items i add to sessions stay there now!
[14:38] <Kano> and i just tried i386 isto
[14:38] <Kano> not even amd64
[14:38] <chronographer> that was frustrating for a while
[14:39] <Kano> i usually prefer java 1.4.2 for webbrowsing and java 1.6 for the rest
[14:40] <chronographer> really? I wouldn't notice the difference! I do notice how much faster chrome is to firefox... hope the next update of ff is as fast
[14:40] <Kano> well is anybody using java in ff?
[14:41] <chronographer> i don't know... I thought you knew, you said it
[14:41] <Kano> i have got my own distro, there java is preinstalled and working
[14:42]  * Kano tix
[14:42] <chronographer> my java works fine
[14:42] <Kano> which plugin used?
[14:43] <HUNTER_byte> How do I install the 2.6.26 kernel if  I have Intrepid Alpha 6 with the 2.6.27 kernel?
[14:43] <Kano> sun-java6-plugin works on debian at least for 32 bit
[14:44] <Kano> well it would be in multiverse it seems, but no "supported" java is really bad..
[14:44] <Kano> as you need often fixes
[14:44] <chronographer> sun-java6 6-07-4
[14:45] <Kano> multiverse only not main
[14:45] <chronographer> HUNTER_byte: there is a 2.6.26 kernel in repos
[14:46] <HUNTER_byte> chronographer: I can't find it. What's the name?
[14:46] <chronographer> linux-image-2.6.26-5-generic
[14:54] <DBO> I can't make suspend/hibernate work right
[14:54] <DBO> can anyone help?
[15:06] <mikedep333> hey, is there ubuntu-restricted-extras anymore?
[15:12] <danbh_intrepid> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:19] <babeck> Does anyone know how to set the resolution on xserver anymore?
[15:19] <babeck> I noticed that dpkg-reconfigure doesn't seem to work anymore.
[15:22] <goldmetal> anyone know if the new gnome will have new look and feel for the next release of buntu?
[15:24] <CarlFK> babeck: delete xorg.conf - it will figure out good/best settings
[15:24] <CarlFK> babeck: including which driver (hopfully.  did for nv)
[15:26] <mikedep333> nvm, i dont know why i couldnt find it before
[15:33] <babeck> CarlFK: I did a clean install, and it (whatever does the monitor/graphics card detection) selected 800x600.  Back in the old days you could just run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to add the monitor settings that you really wanted, but that appears to have disappeared.
[15:34] <CarlFK> babeck: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[15:34] <mikedep333> babeck: perhaps you could rename the xorg.conf and let it generate a new one
[15:36] <jason> how do I automatically remove a module on suspend?
[15:36] <babeck> I've renamed the xorg.conf file to see what happens, it appears to be more of the same:  800x600, wrong refresh rate, and really high pitch wine.  In the case that the new version of x.org selects the wrong defaults is thre a fix?
[15:36] <jason> if modprobe -r ath5k before I suspend it works fine
[15:36] <jason> if I dont, it freezes on resume
[15:42] <danbh_intrepid> jason: the atheros drivers are slated for beta
[15:45] <tretle> Hi, Im using intrepid alpha 6 and it looks like the screens and graphics app is no longer installed, this kinda sucks as ubuntu always detects my monitor as 800 x 600 and now there is no way of manually changing the monitor settings without editing xorg.conf
[15:48] <danbh_intrepid> tretle: what about screen resolution?
[15:50] <tretle> screen resolution has always only allowed me to use 800 x 600
[15:50] <tretle> it has no option to manually set displays
[15:50] <tretle> only automatically
[15:51] <mikedep333> tretle: what graphics adapter do you have?
[15:51] <mikedep333> if you have an nvidia card, and you install the nvidia driver, it should get all the resolutions
[15:51] <tretle> choosing that app to replace screens and graphics has to be one of the worst regression choices of hardy
[15:51] <tretle> mikedep333 - I want to use vesa
[15:52] <tretle> vesa allows higher resolutions
[15:52] <tretle> I don't think the driver is the issue, its the screen resolution app having bad database of monitors
[15:53] <mikedep333> yeah, I think I had that problem before
[15:53] <mikedep333> and I always worked around it by installing nvidia
[15:53] <mikedep333> I had that problem with hardy I believe
[15:53] <tretle> and nowe there is no easy way for usersto choose non propietary drivers
[15:55] <danbh_intrepid> tretle: xorg.conf still works, so if you know the commands, you can put them in...
[15:55] <danbh_intrepid> tretle: but thats not a really helpful suggestion, I know
[15:55] <tretle> why was screens & graphics taken out?
[15:55] <Turski> aren't resolutions detected from screen without any databases?
[15:56] <tretle> apparently not
[15:56] <tretle> and no way of graphically setting up a generic display setting now
[15:58] <noodlesgc> why does intrepid-desktop-i386 not have a jigdo?
[16:00] <ikonia> noodlesgc: why should it
[16:02] <noodlesgc> because the rest of them do
[16:02] <ikonia> where are you looking ?
[16:03] <noodlesgc> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-6/
[16:03] <CarlFK> desktop CD is mostly one big compressed file
[16:03] <CarlFK> jigdo works well with a CD of lots of files
[16:03] <gnomefreak> as aposed to a normal ISO?
[16:04] <ikonia> noodlesgc: it's not out yet
[16:04] <noodlesgc> thanks
[16:04] <gnomefreak> ISO in general is a compressed file
[16:04] <CarlFK> the hope is that some/most of the files are local, so use the local copy instead of downloading
[16:04] <CarlFK> ISO is not 'compressed'
[16:05] <mikedep333> the iso itself isnt compressed, but it contains a large squashFS file which is compressed
[16:05] <gnomefreak> "in general"
[16:05] <CarlFK> in general, and ISO is not 'compressed'
[16:05] <CarlFK> better?
[16:06]  * CarlFK loads a cannon
[16:06] <gnomefreak> other wise it would be way too big if there werent compressed files init
[16:06] <gnomefreak> ISO its self is an image tat comtains compressed files/dir
[16:06] <gnomefreak> better?
[16:07] <gnomefreak> s/tat/that
[16:07] <CarlFK> add "the ubuntu live cd, and many other live cd's, and any other iso that contains a compressed file"
[16:08] <CarlFK> you make it sound like all ISO's contain a compressed file
[16:09] <gnomefreak> CarlFK: in the ISO's that we ship they are IIRC
[16:10] <CarlFK> do you ship the alternate install CDs?
[16:10] <gnomefreak> CarlFK: shipit no but we ship them as in on ubuntu servers
[16:11] <gnomefreak> ship it is not the same as ship
[16:13] <CarlFK> alt and server do not contain the 'one big compressed file' like desktop does
[16:14] <CarlFK> so alt and server can make good use of jigdo. destop would be a waste of effort
[16:15] <CarlFK> if someone will hack jigdo to decompress - update files - compress then it would make sense
[16:15] <acuster> hello, could someone paste their grub lines for ibex? my old grub installation sees the contents of the new partition but then gives me a folder error on boot; I wonder if the boot line has changed
[16:15] <ikonia> how about tell us the error
[16:15] <ikonia> show us your lines
[16:17]  * gnomefreak wonders why language-support-writing-en needs to have gnome restart
[16:17] <gnomefreak> it only depends on OO.o and dictionarys
[16:18] <acuster> well, I forget the exact error and my lines for 8.10 are the same as for 8.04
[16:18] <ikonia> gnomefreak: are you sure it's just OO
[16:18] <ikonia> acuster: then it's wrong
[16:18] <gnomefreak> ikonia: myspell(dictionaries) adn oo.o stuff
[16:18] <ikonia> acuster: as 8.10 should be on a different file system, with different kernel values etc
[16:18] <gnomefreak> ikonia: yes apt-cache depends
[16:18] <ikonia> gnomefreak: I knew I 'd see other things want it
[16:18] <ikonia> gnomefreak: still doens't warrent a restart
[16:19] <acuster> http://rafb.net/p/KP8Suo40.html
[16:19] <acuster> on a different file system? yeah, it's on a different partition
[16:19] <gnomefreak> ikonia: other things? i gave you what it depended on myspel, dictionaries, oo.o
[16:19] <acuster> 8.04 is on hd0,4
[16:19] <ikonia> acuster: thats not an ubuntu line
[16:19] <gnomefreak> ikonia: but no it shouldnt need a restart
[16:19] <ikonia> acuster: thats nothing like an ubutnu entry for 8.04 or 8.10
[16:20] <gnomefreak> Removing language-support-writing-en ... * Reloading GNOME Display Manager configuration...                              * Changes will take effect when all current X sessions have ended.
[16:20] <acuster> it's what I ended up with for 8.04
[16:20] <ikonia> gnomefreak: sorry, thought you said apt wanted it also
[16:20] <ikonia> acuster: impossible
[16:20] <acuster> okay
[16:20] <ikonia> acuster: you'd need to manually modify it to get that
[16:20] <acuster> right, so what's the new 'ibexy' way
[16:20]  * gnomefreak restarts gnome while wondering why
[16:20] <danbh_intrepid> acuster: is that really your menu.lst file?
[16:21] <acuster> 1) are we done with the UUID= mess?
[16:21] <ikonia> acuster: there is no "new ibex way"
[16:21] <acuster> if I were to allow ibex to install grub, what would it generate
[16:21] <ikonia> acuster: your lines are not 7.10,8.04,8.10 or any version comapbitlbe
[16:21] <acuster> this is like pulling teeth
[16:21] <ikonia> acuster: let ibex install grub and you'll be fine
[16:21] <acuster> it's not smart enough now is it?
[16:22] <ikonia> what's not smart enough ?
[16:22] <acuster> ibex
[16:22] <acuster> don't make me fight you to get an answer
[16:22] <danbh_intrepid> acuster: maybe you are missing /boot
[16:22] <ikonia> to install grub ?
[16:22] <ikonia> acuster: yes it's fine to let ibex install grub
[16:22] <acuster> the question was, what would ibex do
[16:22] <acuster> and let me figure out what I need to do for my install from there, please
[16:22] <ikonia> acuster: ibex would install a ubuntu complient boot line, in the same way 8.l04 7.10, 7.l04 etc would do
[16:22] <danbh_intrepid> acuster: just prepend lines 3 and 4 with /boot
[16:23] <ikonia> danbh_intrepid: that won'y work he's missing boot image versions
[16:23] <acuster> the symlinks are there
[16:23] <CarlFK> acuster: you have the tool to make it work.  why not use it?
[16:23] <danbh_intrepid> ikonia: o yeah, you are correct
[16:23] <ikonia> acuster: if you install ibex - it will do it for you
[16:23] <ikonia> acuster: it's that simple
[16:23] <acuster> people, there are users in the world who have very good reasons not to work with the default
[16:24] <acuster> why don't I
[16:24] <acuster> because for the last eight years or so I have settled on a system that works for me
[16:24] <ikonia> acuster: well tell us why ?
[16:24] <ikonia> acuster: then we can help
[16:24] <acuster> 3boot partitions of different os'es
[16:24] <acuster> 4 if you include windows
[16:24] <ikonia> acuster: yes ?
[16:24] <ikonia> acuster: the default shsould still work fine with that
[16:24] <acuster> and I don't want my grub to move install partitions
[16:25] <ikonia> move install partitions ??
[16:25] <ikonia> grub won't touch your partitions
[16:25] <acuster> since the install doesn't know about the other partitions, grub could not possibly land in the right place
[16:25] <CarlFK> ikonia: i doubt we are qualified - in the US you need special certification to help people with this kind of problem :)
[16:25] <jason> anyone familiar with pm-utils?
[16:25] <acuster> so now, could someone *please* give me the lines that ibex generated for their install?
[16:25] <jason> I need help getting it to unload a module before suspend and load it after suspend properly
[16:25] <ikonia> acuster: the install will be aware of the other partitions
[16:26] <ikonia> acuster: our lines willl not be the same as yours
[16:26] <Hohlraum> is browsing windows shares going to work properly in the intrepid final release?
[16:26] <acuster> ikonia, yes, I am aware of that
[16:26] <ikonia> acuster: hence why I suggest instaling it, ibex will be aware of your other /boot and windows partitions
[16:26] <ikonia> acuster: the lines are the same as 8.04
[16:26] <acuster> right and I choose not to follow your suggestion
[16:26] <ikonia> acuster: ok - then good luck
[16:26] <CarlFK> acuster: http://dpaste.com/79181/
[16:26] <acuster> thank you
[16:26] <tretle> installing propietary nvidia drivers have lowered my resolution to 640 x 480
[16:26] <danbh_intrepid> ikonia: whats the best way to make to have two separate installs of ubuntu, grubwise?  I think right now, if I update the kernel in the older install, it will update the old grub/menu.lst, not the one that is actually used.  Is there an official/supported/best practice way to deal with that?
[16:27] <ikonia> danbh_intrepid: shared /boot - seperate root fle systems are my recommendations
[16:27] <danbh_intrepid> ikonia: mk, thanks.  Ill have to try that sometime  : )
[16:28] <ikonia> danbh_intrepid: thats always worked very well for me - one menu.lst and /boot to deal with, makes running say 5 installs easy to manage
[16:28] <acuster> thanks all, please try to treat users as if they are not stupid---installers of alpha software sometimes know what they are doing.
[16:28] <CarlFK> pfft
[16:28] <tretle> I tried putting Option 		"PreferredMode" "1280x1024" under the monitor section of xorg.conf but that no longer does anything for intrepid
[16:29] <danbh_intrepid> ikonia: how big is your /boot?
[16:29] <ikonia> danbh_intrepid: 200 meg-sh normally
[16:29] <danbh_intrepid> ikonia: even for 5 installs?
[16:29] <ikonia> CarlFK: if he knew what he was doing, he wouldn't be asking quetions
[16:29] <ikonia> danbh_intrepid: yeah
[16:29] <danbh_intrepid> mk
[16:30] <CarlFK> ikonia: i wanted to ask him what value was in my post
[16:30] <CarlFK> tretle: http://dpaste.com/79183/
[16:30] <ikonia> CarlFK: he's going to do a copy and paste in the wrong menu.lst - as he has 3 /boot partitions, and his kernel version will be diferent due to updates, so it won't work
[16:30] <CarlFK> tretle: that gives me 1200x800, my laptops native res
[16:31] <CarlFK> ikonia: ﻿ yeah - I got tired of trying to help him and decided to help us :)
[16:32] <CarlFK> ikonia: "here, have some rope and other dangerous objects - go play"
[16:32] <CarlFK> ikonia: and it worked!  yay for us!
[16:32] <ikonia> he'll be back shortly asking why his ssytem doesn't boot
[16:33] <CarlFK> ikonia: i gotta ask - can you have 3 /boot parts?
[16:33] <ikonia> sure
[16:33] <tretle> CarlFK : thanks, I'll give it a shot
[16:33] <CarlFK> I am having trouble comprehending how that would work
[16:33] <ikonia> it's messy if your are trying to maange 3 grub installs
[16:33] <jason> I need help getting it to unload a module before suspend and load it after suspend properly, any takers?
[16:34] <CarlFK> ikonia: ill keep that in mind if I ever need to complicate my life
[16:34] <ikonia> CarlFK: 1 boot = fine for as many insalls as you can throw at it,
[16:35] <CarlFK> ikonia: but it is more fun to ride the roller coaster than just stand and watch it :)
[16:36] <ikonia> good luck house keeping that
[16:36] <tretle> didnt work
[16:36] <CarlFK> even more fun to.. um... sky dive with a parachute found in the trash
[16:36] <tretle> does anyone know which package screens and graphics is in so that I can install it
[16:37] <CarlFK> tretle: is it booting using the "failsafe" config?
[16:38] <CarlFK> tretle: if so, /etc/init.d/gdm stop, then log in as user, run $ startx - look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:38] <tretle> Its booting using the de4fault config of intrepid alpha 6
[16:39] <CarlFK> tretle: what does this give you: carl@dv67:~$ grep "Using config"  /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[16:40] <tretle> (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[16:54] <Turl> hello
[16:54] <Turl> is it normal when booting to have the "landscape-client is not configured. run landscape-config" message?
[16:59] <badp> Hello. Network Manager 0.70 appears to be unable to read/save network configuration. Has anybody else experienced this problem?
[17:00] <badp> e.g., when I connect to a wifi network it correctly adds an item for it in the Network Connection window
[17:00] <Turl> badp, just update the system, that bug was solved
[17:00] <badp> Ok, will try.
[17:03] <badp> I guess I will need to restart the applet
[17:04] <Turl> restart the system
[17:04] <Turl> as NetworkManager is a daemon
[17:08] <badp> I rebooted, but the problem is still there.
[17:08] <XiXaQ> are the alpha images available as torrents?
[17:09] <badp> There was some interesting message on nm-applet's stdout
[17:12] <badp> http://paste.ubuntu.com/48340/
[17:13] <badp> Network Manager applet does not even seem to access the keyring (I received no prompt to allow/allow once/disallow)
[17:13] <badp> and I just checked, the passphrase for the wifi network IS in the keyring.
[17:14] <Turl> it doesn't ask now for permission badp
[17:14] <badp> Oh, cool.
[17:14] <badp> I'll try and delete the item in the keyring and try again.
[17:17] <badp> I deleted the network key from the keyring, disconnected, reconnected, reentered the network key, rechecked the keyring. It is not there.
[17:17] <badp> Suggestions?
[17:17] <XiXaQ> can someone please confirm that the images on http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ are up to date?
[17:21] <Turl> badp, I think it uses a different keyring
[17:22] <Turl> try right click on the applet->edit network connections and check the passw there
[17:22] <badp> It's not there
[17:22] <badp> The field is blank, just rechecked.
[17:22] <Turl> mhm strange
[17:22] <badp> (The password field, that is.)
[17:23] <Turl> can you try setting it there and reconnecting?
[17:23] <badp> Sure.
[17:23] <badp> I'm not sure about the "System setting" checkbox
[17:24] <badp> Does that mean this-user-only vs system-wide?
[17:24] <Turl> leave it unchecked, or it's saved system-wide (for all that pc's users, not only you)
[17:24] <badp> Thanks
[17:24] <XiXaQ> it's not possible that nobody here knows anything about the iso images?!
[17:25] <Turl> XiXaQ, latest is alpha6, check if it's that one
[17:25] <XiXaQ> how do I do that?=
[17:25] <badp> Well, that didn't quite work. Let's see what stdout says.
[17:25] <XiXaQ> If could of course compare the hashes if I already had the image, but I don't, so I can't.
[17:26] <badp> ** (nm-connection-editor:8024): WARNING **: Invalid setting Wireless Security: Invalid wireless security
[17:26] <badp> //Here I set it and press Ok.
[17:26] <badp> ** (nm-connection-editor:8024): WARNING **: nma_gconf_connection_changed: Invalid connection /system/networking/connections/1: '(null)' / 'connection setting not found' invalid: 1
[17:26] <badp> ** (nm-connection-editor:8024): WARNING **: Invalid connection: '(null)' / 'connection setting not found' invalid: 1
[17:26] <badp> // repeated a bunch of times
[17:27] <badp> ** (nm-connection-editor:8024): WARNING **: Invalid connection: 'NMSettingConnection' / 'type' invalid: 2
[17:27] <badp> ** (nm-connection-editor:8024): WARNING **: Invalid connection: 'NMSettingConnection' / 'type' invalid: 3
[17:27] <XiXaQ> Turl, do you have that image? Perhaps you could tell me if the correct md5 is 1e3f2e75d2a88744c82bd5c7cd4e2e10d7b9d6d5 for i386 desktop cd?
[17:27] <badp> Then I just remove the entry in Network Connections and reconnect
[17:27] <Turl> XiXaQ, if the torrent is ubuntu-8.10-alpha6 or similar, well it's the latest ¬¬
[17:27] <XiXaQ> Turl, the images aren't named like that.
[17:27] <Turl> I don't have that image, sorry
[17:28] <Hew> XiXaQ: Those images named intrepid will be daily isos, I suspect
[17:28] <XiXaQ> unfortunately, they're all called intrepid-desktop-i386.iso. It's extremely annoying if I have to spend a day of downloading only to discover that it's an old alpha release. :(
[17:29] <Hew> XiXaQ: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-6/
[17:29] <XiXaQ> Hew, is there torrents for that too?
[17:29] <Hew> XiXaQ: Have you clicked the link and had a look?
[17:30] <XiXaQ> I thought so. :)
[17:31] <XiXaQ> but that means torrent.ubuntu.com isn't up to date. thanks.
[17:31] <badp> XiXaQ, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-6/MD5SUMS
[17:31] <XiXaQ> right. that's what I checked. It doesn't match the md5 for the intrepid-desktop-i386.iso from torrent.ubuntu.com
[17:32] <badp> Any more suggestions? Beyond reporting this on the Gnome bug manager.
[17:42] <danbh_intrepid> badp: is this network-manager?
[17:43] <Turl> yeah
[17:44] <danbh_intrepid> did he say what drivers?
[17:44] <Turl> nope
[17:44] <Turl> badp, are you using ndiswrapper?
[17:45] <danbh_intrepid> well, they are supposed to work on nm for the beta release.  I hope it clears these problems up
[17:45] <badp> I don't know wheter I am
[17:45] <danbh_intrepid> heh, then you arent
[17:45] <badp> I think I'm using native Intel wifi drivers
[17:45] <Turl> badp, can you run sudo lshw -C network ?
[17:45] <crimsun> XiXaQ: you do know that you can rsync...????
[17:46] <badp> Sure. It's running.
[17:46] <badp> http://paste.ubuntu.com/48346/
[17:48] <danbh_intrepid> I wonder why his wifi is eth1 and not wlan0
[17:48] <badp> It's been like that since 7.04
[17:49] <Turl> you are using a G network, and your driver is ipw2200
[17:49] <XiXaQ> crimsun, what do you mean by that?
[17:49] <Turl> is that correct?
[17:50] <badp> The G network is correct
[17:50] <badp> As for the driver...
[17:50] <XiXaQ> crimsun, rsync works on a file-by-file basis, doesn't it?
[17:50] <Turl> can you run iwconfig?
[17:51] <Turl> or iwconfig eth1, it's the same
[17:51] <badp> http://paste.ubuntu.com/48348/
[17:51] <XiXaQ> crimsun, my last intrepid image is really old. But the torrent cdimages.u-c seems to be ok.
[17:52] <crimsun> XiXaQ: you simply rsync against the current image.
[17:52] <XiXaQ> crimsun, but wouldn't that be like downloading the image all over?
[17:53] <Turl> XiXaQ, it won'r download all the image though, there are parts that haven't been changed for ages
[17:53] <Turl> won't*
[17:53] <XiXaQ> I have a really slow connection and I move around, so I have to be able to resume and download a little at a time. The torrent seems like the best choice right now.
[17:54] <Turl> I think you can stop and resume rsync
[17:54] <Turl> not sure though
[17:54] <Turl> maybe the other option is wget the ISO from http?
[17:54] <XiXaQ> perhaps jigdo would be a better choice for next time?
[17:54] <XiXaQ> can wget be stopped and resumed?
[17:55] <Pici> XiXaQ: Yes.
[17:55] <lenios> damn, alpha 6 update broke my system
[17:55] <crimsun> XiXaQ: no, it only downloads parts that are different (i.e., have changed)
[17:55] <XiXaQ> lenios, did you read the topic? :)
[17:55] <lenios> i was running alpha 5 good
[17:56] <lenios> and alpha 6 broke something with gnome or X
[17:56] <XiXaQ> crimsun, oh. But won't most of intrepid have changed since a2?
[17:56] <crimsun> XiXaQ: yes, but it beats downloading the entire image
[17:56] <XiXaQ> lenios, that is to be expected.
[17:57] <XiXaQ> I'll try that the next time, or maybe use jidgo? I'm not entirely sure what that is either.
[17:58] <crimsun> XiXaQ: rsync is the preferable method.
[17:58] <XiXaQ> I thought jigdo was tailored for just that use case?
[18:11] <[-JiPe-]> hey ppl
[18:11] <_Zeus_> hi
[18:12] <[-JiPe-]> how do you upgrade to intrepid?
[18:12] <lufis> The scroll bars on my trackpad were working in the last release but have stopped in intrepid. Any ideas?
[18:12] <lufis> [-JiPe-]: sudo update-manager -d
[18:13] <[-JiPe-]> ty
[18:13] <_Zeus_> you do know that's an alpha
[18:16] <lenios> aanyone knows how to compare intalled packages list with the default packages list?
[18:31] <k_laus> hello . after update kde wont start but stays black (intrepid) ... :(
[18:31] <k_laus> has anybody any idea?
[18:32] <_Zeus_> hi
[18:32] <badp__> I'm sorry, I dropped.
[18:32] <_Zeus_> so you start up your pc
[18:32] <_Zeus_> and at what point do you get black?
[18:32] <badp__> Oh, I get black too. It's just after "Resume device"
[18:33] <badp__> Then usplash quits. I had this with Hardy too.
[18:33] <_Zeus_> uhh
[18:33] <_Zeus_> so you can't boot?
[18:33] <k_laus> if i press ctrl+alt+f7 i see and move a mouse pointer on a black screen. strg+esc comes with crashhandler and list of processes
[18:33] <badp__> Hmm, no, I can boot.
[18:34] <badp__> Oh, it's the X problem. nvm
[18:34] <k_laus> can boot into tty1 :)
[18:34] <badp__> I was stuck there too, then I rebooted in recovery mode and used the 'xfix' menu. It worked for me
[18:35] <badp__> The logs were unhelpful etc., I'm not sure what got broken.
[18:35] <k_laus> sounds good, i will give it a try, thanks badp__
[18:36] <badp__> Anyhow, I've sent a bug report for that NetworkManager problem to the GNOME bug tracker
[18:38] <danbh_intrepid> badp: have you tried wicd?
[18:40]  * badp tries apt-cache'ing it
[18:40] <badp> Is that a website?
[18:41] <danbh_intrepid> badp: you do have to go to a website for it, but its an alternative to network-manager
[18:41] <badp> Well, I'm more interested in getting the problem fixed rather than finding alternatives
[18:41] <badp> That's the point of alphatesting :)
[18:41] <badp> I can live with copy pasting the key from a file on the desktop for a few days.
[18:42] <mlise> Very happy so far with Alpha6, I tried it on my Macbook pro and wireless worked out of the box as well as a lot of other things! yay!
[18:42] <badp> ...I guess.
[18:42] <danbh_intrepid> but if wicd works, then you can be sure its network managers problem, supposedly
[18:42] <badp> Well, other programs access the keyring just fine.
[18:42] <badp> ...I guess.
[18:42] <badp> The keyring manager does.
[18:43] <danbh_intrepid> have you tried putting it in interfaces?
[18:43] <badp> Sorry?
[18:43] <danbh_intrepid> /etc/network/interfaces
[18:43] <badp> My wireless device is listed there.
[18:44] <danbh_intrepid> you can put the key there too
[18:44] <danbh_intrepid> but whatever, you are right, network-manager needs some TLC
[18:44]  * badp whips up man
[18:44] <danbh_intrepid> man is not very helpful with this
[18:45] <danbh_intrepid> try wireless- or wpa-
[18:46] <badp> Oh, I used wpa-supplicant in the past
[18:46] <badp> for my uni network
[18:47] <badp> Yeah, that would work
[18:48] <badp> So nobody here has problem with usplash?
[18:49] <badp> I had them since Hardy, tbh
[18:49] <badp> Hmm, now all the terminals are gone
[18:49] <badp> Ctrl-Alt-F1-6 show just the blinking dot
[18:55] <bsnider> of course people are having trouble with it, considering none of the x drivers work with the new kernel or x server yet.
[18:59] <danbh_intrepid> hey bsnider, remember how I said wicd works?  well, its very flaky.  If I try to change anything, my connection just drops
[18:59] <bsnider> yeah
[18:59] <bsnider> well, i don't know if it's ath9k or what
[19:00] <bsnider> i can't connect to the router downstairs even with wicd
[19:01] <bsnider> it's better than a big spoonful of jack squat though
[19:39] <krager> anyone else running into problems with perl doing a dist-upgrade to alpha6 from hardy?
[19:42] <k_laus> hi ... still have probs with kde. it crashes after logon :( using r100 xfix wont help :(
[19:51] <k_laus> huh
[20:03] <Pewpewarrows> my vpn keeps "closing unexpectedly" almost immediately after connecting, and my /var/log/messages just says kernel: [50313.461016] tun0: Disabled Privacy Extensions, any suggesions?
[20:12] <XiXaQ> how big is the probability that the final release will include a more recent version of madwifi?
[20:17] <bsnider> XiXaQ, what for?
[20:18] <XiXaQ> well, as it is, I have to download it and install it manually, but the current driver at madwifi.org handles my wlan perfectly.
[20:19] <XiXaQ> and it has for quite some time.
[20:19] <mlise> are those considered proprietary drivers?
[20:19] <bsnider> one reason for moving to the .27 kernel is to use ath5k/ath9k instead of madwifi
[20:20] <bsnider> mlise, they're not proprietary, they just have a stupid license
[20:20] <mlise> bsnider: lame..
[20:20] <XiXaQ> bsnider, yes, but that doesn't work.
[20:20] <bsnider> ath5k/9k uses the new mac80211 framework, so that's preferred anyway
[20:21] <XiXaQ> I prefer the solution that actually works.
[20:21] <bsnider> XiXaQ, in what sense doesn't it work?
[20:21] <XiXaQ> bsnider, well. I can't use my wlan card?
[20:22] <bsnider> which card is it?
[20:22] <XiXaQ> seems to be exactly the same as it was in hardy.
[20:22] <XiXaQ> atheros 5007.
[20:22] <XiXaQ> or 5700, I don't remember which one. :)
[20:22] <bsnider> ath5k should be able to handle that
[20:22] <XiXaQ> ath5k is also developed by madwifi.org?
[20:22] <bsnider> as far as i know, development on madwifi stopped awhile ago
[20:22] <bsnider> yes it is
[20:22] <XiXaQ> right, then that's the one I mean.
[20:24] <bsnider> you mean you're using that driver, or you want to use the old one with the stupid license?
[20:24] <mlise> looks like : 07/25/08 07:26:04 (2 months ago)
[20:24] <XiXaQ> let me rephrase then; is there any chance that driver will be updated before intrepid is released?
[20:24] <XiXaQ> bsnider, no, I want to use that driver and I hope the newest version will be provided with intrepid.
[20:25] <bsnider> network-manager doesn't properly support atheros drivers yet. there's work slated for beta 1 that should resolve the issue
[20:25] <XiXaQ> oh.
[20:25] <XiXaQ> then I shouldn't give up hope just yet? :>
[20:25] <bsnider> right
[20:25] <XiXaQ> cool! :)
[20:25] <bsnider> but you can still use the old stuff with the stupid license until then
[20:26] <XiXaQ> not that it's so difficult or much work to install it manually, but still.
[20:26] <ToHellWithGA> bsnider: in what way does it not support them?
[20:26] <bsnider> ah, ther's a bug about this, but odds are i can't find it
[20:26] <ToHellWithGA> i've been running svn madwifi on my macbook and it has worked with the network manager applet for some time
[20:26] <bsnider> right, it works in some cases
[20:26] <XiXaQ> it works well with hardy.
[20:26] <bsnider> but not all cases
[20:27] <XiXaQ> bsnider, I want ubuntu to work out of the box. The licensing stuff is secondary, though I would prefer a good and open one.
[20:28] <bsnider> it's worse than the old crap being a bad license
[20:28] <bsnider> it needs 6 or 7 drivers to control one card
[20:28] <bsnider> the new way you have mac80211 and ath5k and that's it
[20:29] <bsnider> ToHellWithGA, Bug #259157
[20:31] <bsnider> in my case, ath5k causes hard lockups on this box, and ath9k ont he downstairs box cannot connect to a d-link router
[20:36] <madsrh> Does anyone know if enableing Firefox backspace by default has been disscused?
[20:37] <literal> firefox backspace?
[20:41] <madsrh> yes, Firefox uses the Alt+LeftArrow and Alt+RightArrow key combinations to move forward and backward in browsing history. It would be more intuitive if it was the backspace - in my opinion
[20:44] <ToHellWithGA> bsnider: that's a bummer, man
[20:44] <ToHellWithGA> i have atheros ar5418 as my chipset and it seems ok
[20:45] <bsnider> well, that's ath9k
[20:45] <bsnider> for me, that will connect to an old router, but not a new one
[20:46] <bsnider> it doesn't matter. i expect the problems to be ironed out in a few weeks with the beta release
[20:46] <ToHellWithGA> what do you mean ath9k?
[20:46] <ToHellWithGA> does it make a difference which chip you use if you use madwifi modules?
[20:46] <bsnider> ath9k is for wireless-n cards only. ath5k takes care of everything else
[20:47] <bsnider> the dev that atheros hired decided to develop a new driver for n cards
[20:48] <bsnider> ath5k is the replacement for the old non-mac80211 stuff that everybody used prior to intrepid
[20:49] <bsnider> the stuff with the stupid bsd license
[20:50] <literal> madsrh: would be best if it supported both, like nautilus
[20:51] <madsrh> literal: I agree
[20:55] <astraljava> Is aptitude removed from Intrepid as of Alpha-6?
[20:55] <badp_> `2
[20:55] <badp_> err, Negative
[20:55] <haydn> Can someone help me! I want to report/research a bug, I just don't know where to do so.
[20:55] <bsnider> RAOF, new nvidia driver today: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/177.76/
[20:56] <astraljava> I kinda have a feeling that it was there for Alpha-5 of Ubuntu Studio, but wasn't there for Alpha-6. The latter I'm sure of, the former is in a haze. :)
[20:56] <krager> haydn: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[20:56] <badp_> My Intrepid Alpha-6 does have aptitude
[20:56] <badp_> then again it's Ubuntu I'm speaking of, not Ubuntu Studio
[20:57] <haydn> krager: Yeah I know that but I want to find the specific team responcible for the "Appearance Manager".
[20:57] <bsnider> haydn, are you going to beat them about the head and shoulders?
[20:57] <astraljava> badp_: Thanks for the confirmation!
[20:57] <badp_> np.
[20:57] <haydn> No just want to point out that their hover settings a broke
[20:58] <krager> haydn, the info on the deb should have contact email for the packager, or team responsible
[20:58] <haydn> how would I find that
[20:58] <haydn> Sorry still slightly new to Ubuntu
[20:59] <bsnider> haydn, they'll get it by you submitting a bug on that package
[20:59] <krager> you are probably best filing a bug, if soomeone else looks into it, they will see it has been filed and hopefully see any fix
[20:59] <haydn> Ok cool, how can I confirm the package?
[20:59] <haydn> Or should I say confirm which package it is
[21:00] <krager> if you click on report bug, and try and give as much info as possible, it will get workedout
[21:00] <bsnider> what exactly is the problem?
[21:00] <haydn> Ok cool thanks
[21:01] <haydn> Can I ask one more? I have a fail to initiate error on startup: sbin/v86d.
[21:01] <haydn> ibex
[21:01] <bsnider> don't worry about that
[21:01] <haydn> what is it
[21:02] <krager> I assume the issues with perl when doing dist-upgrade will be fixed?
[21:02] <haydn> ok cool guys thanks for all your help.
[21:02] <haydn> Much appreciated
[21:03] <warren_> hi
[21:03] <warren_> i saw alpha 6 = user interface freeze, what is the default theme now?
[21:03] <bsnider> warren_, MOTTS
[21:04] <krager> just doing a dist-upgrade and had to do perl-perl modules and perl base by hand install
[21:04] <warren_> MOTTS ?
[21:05] <bsnider> sorry, MOTSS
[21:05] <bsnider> more of the same <expletive deleted>
[21:05] <warren_> where can i see a screensht?
[21:06] <bsnider> there is no change
[21:06] <warren_> what is MOTSS then?
[21:06] <bsnider> more of the same <expletive deleted>
[21:06] <warren_> so will intrepid not have a new theme?
[21:06] <badp_> The dark theme that was apparently the default in Alpha 1 is a new theme available for picking.
[21:06] <bsnider> not right now
[21:07] <warren_> ok
[21:07] <bsnider> wait 3 weeks or so
[21:07] <warren_> are there other new themes except the dark theme?
[21:07] <bsnider> no
[21:08] <bsnider> this theme is ok if you use oxygen-refit2 oragne icon theme with it
[21:08] <warren_> ok, thanks
[21:09] <badp_> Python's ZSI package has a bug.
[21:10] <badp_> The file /usr/share/python-support/python-zsi/ZSI/parse.py on line 55 does:                 from xml.dom.ext.reader import PyExpat
[21:10] <badp_> that fails.
[21:10] <badp_> which breaks the lyrics in Sonata =/
[21:10] <badp_> What do I do now?
[21:10] <krager> report a bug
[21:12] <madsrh> Do you have any idea who I should contact to suggest this backspace in Firefox?
[21:12] <krager> madsrh: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/
[21:13]  * DanaG wonders when nvidia will fix the 96 drivers.
[21:14] <badp_> Heh, it's already reported.
[21:14] <madsrh> krager: I think there's already three threads on brainstorm so I guess that's not the way to go ;-)
[21:15] <krager> add your say to one of them show that it os popular and should be looked at
[21:26] <acuster> is there a list of bugs against ibex maintained somewhere?
[21:27] <pwnguin> you can find milestone'd bugs
[21:27] <pwnguin> and bugs tagged intrpid
[21:27] <pwnguin> intrepid
[21:28] <pwnguin> but there's no rule requiring a version be attached to a bug
[21:28] <bsnider> i think youu just answered your own question
[21:29] <pwnguin> ?
[21:42] <rconan> is there an easy(ish) way to upgrade only the kernel and nvidia modules to intrepid versions?
[21:42] <_Zeus_> rconan: i don't think so
[21:43] <rconan> _Zeus_, was it you i talked to about adding the repos but pinning everything else?
[21:43] <_Zeus_> rconan: huh?  i don't think sp
[21:43] <krager> rconan: no, it's a whole integrated product, lots of dependancies
[21:43] <_Zeus_> *so
[21:43] <_Zeus_> I don't think a6 has a diff kernel
[21:44] <rconan> different to what?
[21:44] <_Zeus_> a5
[21:44] <_Zeus_> oarry
[21:44] <_Zeus_> *sorry
[21:45] <krager> the only way to just update those two items is to compile and configure by hand.
[21:45] <rconan> krager, the alternative i suppose is to upgrade the entire system
[21:45] <rconan> what is the stability of intrepid like these days?
[21:45] <_Zeus_> it's fine for me
[21:45] <_Zeus_> knock on wood
[21:46] <krager> which I am doing now, I would wait until it is stable, dist upgrade is a bit borked
[21:46] <cyphase> hmm, new format for the intrepid changes mailing list..
[21:46] <DanaG> !worksforme
[21:46] <_Zeus_> DanaG: i know that...
[21:46] <DanaG> Good idea: make a full system backup first.
[21:46] <DanaG> That way, if you decide you don't like it, you can go back.
[21:47] <rconan> i can't backup! my disks which i could do backups too are on the controller which the hardy kernel wont use
[21:47] <rconan> i guess it's just a leap of faith
[21:47] <DanaG> Eek.
[21:47] <_Zeus_> do you have /home in a seperate partition?
[21:47] <rconan> no
[21:47] <_Zeus_> crap
[21:47] <badp_> Are you dual booting?
[21:47] <rconan> if it b0rks I can recover from a livecd as long as i find one with a new enough kernel
[21:47] <rconan> no
[21:47] <_Zeus_> do you have important data?
[21:48] <rconan> not immensley
[21:48] <DanaG> Idea:
[21:48] <rconan> i can do 1 DVDs worth or so
[21:48] <DanaG> Boot the liveCD of Intrepid, and use the LiveCD to make a backup to the other disks.
[21:48] <_Zeus_> if you don't have /home in a sep partition, then i would back it up before upgrading
[21:48] <krager> I use an external HD and partimage
[21:48] <DanaG> That works, too... the key is having a new enough kernel on the LiveCD.
[21:48] <rconan> i'll backup a little over the network and then go for it i think
[21:49] <krager> also /usr , /usr/local , /var and /home one separate partitions
[21:49] <_Zeus_> what the?
[21:49] <_Zeus_> who does that?
[21:49] <DanaG> I only separate home.
[21:49] <DanaG> Everything else is overdoing it -- and a big hassle, too.
[21:50] <_Zeus_> yeah, i only seperate home as well
[21:50] <rconan> i used to separate home but my number of disks was getting too much for my little power supply
[21:50] <badp_> After the upgrade, some people have had X failures, and I had too.
[21:50] <badp_> </fair-warning<
[21:50] <_Zeus_> I don't want to keep those folders when reinstalling, anyway
[21:50] <DanaG> NVIDIA less than GeForce5 (FX) is broken.
[21:50] <_Zeus_> i would say a6 broke glx, but that's not true
[21:50] <rconan> have there been any reports of filesystem corruption that you have heard?
[21:50] <_Zeus_> it was really -3
[21:50] <_Zeus_> *kernel-3
[21:51] <_Zeus_> well, ill bbl
[21:51] <rconan> ha... everyone is too scared to say there haven't been fs corruption problems in case i am the first...
[21:51] <badp_> I haven't had any, but !worksforme
[21:52] <badp_> Hell, my computer overheated and turned down /hard/ during the distro upgrade, package setup phase.
[21:52] <rconan> i would hope mine wont overheat
[21:52] <badp_> Wasn't it for the dpkg option in the recovery menu I'd have had to just reinstall the thing
[21:53] <rconan> it's a new proccy and motherboard so it's running at stock speeds with watercooling
[21:53] <krager> I had no fs corruption, have you ran smartctl on your discs
[21:53] <badp_> Nah, it's that something set the cpu governor to Performance and due to not-at-their-best fans my laptop can't stand that for long.
[21:53] <mattik> Is there kernel or xorg updates today in intrepid?
[21:53] <badp_> PolicyKit got in the way of me setting it back.
[21:53] <DanaG> Oh yeah, handy thing for reading status from things in SOME usb and firewire enclosures: HDD Sentinel
[21:55] <mattik> My X is disappeared and it gave only ipw2200 error from kernel. I think wireless cannot crash X?
[21:57] <mattik> Bug #272278
[21:59] <Awsoonn> did x die for anyone else today?/
[21:59] <Awsoonn> abi version mismatch specificly?
[21:59] <literal> that's a silly question
[21:59] <Awsoonn> :D why so sily?
[22:00] <literal> the first question, that  is
[22:00] <Awsoonn> ahaha wow.. yes indeed
[22:05] <badp_> X update
[22:21] <munzir> Hi, I cannot log to my system any more I need help urgently please: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pam/+bug/270328
[22:26] <jason__> my suspend doesn't work right, can anyone help?
[22:39] <rconan> you don't realise how many apps you have installed until you try to upgrade
[22:40] <krager> rconan: tell me about it, 3 hours so far
[22:42] <rconan> mine is reading 6 hours remaining
[22:42] <rconan> i just started it
[22:47] <Awsoonn> skype on 64bit 8.10  libQtDBus.so.4 is missing, what package might it be in?
[22:54] <bsnider> Awsoonn, does that happen when you launch it or when you try to install it?
[22:56] <Awsoonn> skype? it tells me I'm missing tat library
[22:56] <Awsoonn> that*
[22:56] <bsnider> it's already installed then
[22:57] <Awsoonn> skype says that library is missing, I was wondering where it might be, but I think I need to install the 32 bit lib maually is al
[23:00] <Awsoonn> FYI just using teh 'static' version of skype works ok.
[23:00] <krager> dist-upgrade done with a pile of errors
[23:01] <krager> tomorrows problem, time to kill stuff and have a few beers
[23:02] <bsnider> krager, kill some stuff for me
[23:12] <platius> apparently a6 did not create a user.  How do I get into root so as to create a user? There is no user in /etc/group
[23:15] <platius> fresh install
[23:15] <bsnider> platius, you're kidding me
[23:16] <platius> would be nice, I'll check the forums
[23:27] <mirak> where are stored the files in the Trash of gnome ?
[23:28] <badp_> It's an "hidden" folder
[23:28] <badp_> I think it's in your home directory, probably called ".Trash-mirak"
[23:33] <milosz> hey guys
[23:33] <milosz> sounds is totally messed up here
[23:33] <milosz> ALSA doesn't work at all, controlling the volume in GNOME using the mixer applet thing that pops up the volume control over keyboard doesn't work at all
[23:33] <milosz> it appears and adjusts the value but the volume doesn't change
[23:33] <milosz> i had no time to diagnose ALSA problems further
[23:34] <milosz> i'm familiar with the libasound API and the layout in /dev, but i had no time yet
[23:38] <Pretto> hi guys
[23:38] <Pretto> i am looking for udevmonitor on intrepid
[23:40] <Pretto> no clue about it?
[23:41] <dave__> I have a realtek card that is not being recognised: 02:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 8199 (rev 22)
[23:42] <Pretto> dave__,  recognised, but the module didn't load?
[23:42] <dave__> Pretto: Yes
[23:43] <dave__> Pretto: And I don't know what module should support it
[23:45] <Pretto> dave__, I think that there's no module for that device
[23:45] <Pretto> dave__, but I am not  sure
[23:46] <Pretto> dave__, by the rule, the module  would be called rtl8199
[23:52] <Pretto> nobody knows about udevmonitor?
[23:55] <Pretto> haha
[23:56] <Pretto> udevmonitor turned into udevadm monitor command