[00:01] <DCPom> okay thanks
[00:07] <DCPom> are the ones that show the actual text of the IM only for GNOME?
[00:09] <holyguyver_> I have never seen ones that do that.
[00:10] <DCPom> hm
[00:10] <DCPom> i think it's in pidgin-libnotify but it's not letting me enable it
[00:16] <zoredache> DCPom: ah, I just had that problem the other day
[00:17] <zoredache> the problem is that pidgin changed their configuration directory from being '.gaim' to '.purple'.  If you symlink the '.purple' directory to '.gaim' it seems to work
[00:18] <DCPom> what's the command for that?
[00:18] <zoredache> make sure you are in your home directory  then do a 'ln -s .purple .gaim'
[00:18] <zoredache> you can also simple stop pidgin and rename .purple to .gaim
[00:19] <zoredache> someone should probably file a bug against the libnotify plugin asking them to support the new config directory...
[00:19] <DCPom> hm
[00:19] <DCPom> okay
[00:20] <DCPom> whoa
[00:20] <zoredache> ?
[00:20] <DCPom> changing the directory lost my account information
[00:22] <zoredache> really?  it seemed to work for me without loosing anything,
[01:03] <thinkmassive> pidgin is probably looking for the .purple dir, which you just moved
[01:03] <thinkmassive> a symlink sounds like the right solution
[01:50] <Pete_I> I want the alt-tab menu to only switch between apps that're on the current workspace. is there a way to do this?
[01:57] <whileimhee> Hi. I  closed both of my panels. How can I get one back?
[02:15] <Unbe> Hey, all.  I'm having problems with a PCI ATA133 card--I'm trying to access plain old PATA hard drives, not in RAID, and dmesg isn't even showing them as being there.
[02:15] <Unbe> Any thoughts?
[03:47] <carlitoo122> hello, what's again the command to reconfigure the xorg.conf?
[03:51] <carlitoo122> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[03:51] <carlitoo122> xconf.org :D
[03:51] <carlitoo122> lol :D
[04:07] <kriel> carlitoo122: yes, I believe. It says what the command is in the comments of xorg.conf
[04:07] <carlitoo122> Thanks a lot.
[04:08] <kriel> Alright, so. I just got a new laptop, with an intel GM965/GL960 for a video 'card'. For some reason, it looks like it's drawing two monitors on my one LCD screen.
[04:08] <carlitoo122> do you have an external plugged on it?
[04:08] <kriel> After some poking around google, I found an xorg.conf that _looked_ to be accurate, but apparently isn't, since It's still doing the 'draw both monitors on one screen' thing.
[04:08] <kriel> carlitoo122: Nope.
[04:09] <carlitoo122> it's like showing two desktops instead only one?
[04:09] <kriel> it's drawing a 1024x768 desktop on top of the 1280x800 behind it
[04:10] <kriel> if i right click on the task bar at the bottom, and hit settings, it asks me which monitor I want it on. If I hit monitor one, it hovers in midair.
[04:10] <kriel> output from xrandr: http://pastebin.com/f5905b001
[04:11] <carlitoo122> do you xorg.conf shows two monitors? or only one?
[04:11] <carlitoo122> and have you tried grandr?
[04:12] <kriel> installing grandr
[04:13] <kriel> xorg.conf is... incoming
[04:13] <kriel> http://pastebin.com/fdb72643
[04:15] <kriel> ... You can just turn an output off?
[04:15] <kriel> wtf. -.-
[04:17] <carlitoo122> hmm i think your xorg is ok
[04:17] <carlitoo122> what grandr showed?
[04:17] <carlitoo122> two monitors?
[04:18] <kriel> two outputs
[04:18] <kriel> yes.
[04:18] <carlitoo122> ok
[04:18] <kriel> one called lvds and on called tv
[04:18] <carlitoo122> hmm
[04:18] <carlitoo122> turn tv off
[04:20] <kriel> done
[04:20] <kriel> it seems to be normal now
[04:21] <carlitoo122> i use a notebook too, when i plug a external display some bugs occurs, then grandr solves them ;)
[04:21] <kriel> okay, last question of the night.
[04:22] <kriel> Where do I set the max screen size for xorg? It's set to 1280x1280, which is nice all except that my screen is 1280 on it's own
[04:23] <carlitoo122> #
[04:23] <carlitoo122>         SubSection "Display"
[04:23] <carlitoo122> #
[04:23] <carlitoo122>                 Modes   "1280x800"
[04:23] <carlitoo122> #
[04:23] <carlitoo122>         EndSubSection
[04:23] <carlitoo122> this is where you can edit
[04:23] <kriel> not there.
[04:24] <kriel> http://pastebin.com/f5905b001 this is from xrandr; first line says "maximum 1280x1280"
[04:25] <carlitoo122> hmm, so you want your display resolution to be 1280x1280 ?
[04:25] <carlitoo122> you can just edit xorg.conf as i said, if your "Display" option in Settings doesn't show it.
[04:25] <kriel> no, screen size, not display resolution.
[04:25] <kriel> I want to put my two 'monitors' side by side.
[04:26] <kriel> but that requires a 2304x800 screen
[04:26] <carlitoo122> aah
[04:53] <nubuntu> does xub support compiz cubes?
[04:53] <carlitoo122> hello, how can i configure my touchpad? this is how my xorg.conf shows my synaptics touchpad: http://paste.ubuntu.com/48206/
[04:53] <carlitoo122> nubuntu, yes
[04:54] <nubuntu> carlitoo122: can you help me install?  is it sudo apt-get install ccsm ?
[04:55] <carlitoo122> try using the synpatics package manager and find "compiz"
[04:55] <nubuntu> k
[04:55] <carlitoo122> install it and then use it as default window manager
[04:55] <carlitoo122> after that you'll be able to see "Advanced Desktop Effects Setting" option to configure it your own way :)
[05:00] <nubuntu> carlitoo122: whre will it appear 'advanced ... '
[05:00] <carlitoo122> Click the XFCE Start button, then go to Settings and you'll see it.
[05:01] <nubuntu> nope, doesn't appear
[05:01] <nubuntu> its not saying i need restart, but maybe yes?
[05:03] <carlitoo122> i think a log out is ok
[05:04] <goodluck> nubuntu, here i am :)
[05:04] <goodluck> try only to log out
[05:24] <zac_> hey all
[05:24] <zac_> xfce kicks ass by the way
[05:27] <zac_> so i wrote a bash script and made executable a separate xfce4-terminal session with transparency and specific geometry (location on the desktop). All I would like to know, of possible, is how to keep this script from presenting itself in the open window panel
[05:28] <zac_> if its easily done, that is
[05:28] <zac_> you guys have been using linux a lot more than I in the last 9 years
[05:28] <Pete_I> nohup?
[05:29] <zac_> the 'tasklist' panel item that is
[05:29] <zac_> nohup?
[05:29] <Pete_I> ah, i misunderstood the question
[05:29] <Pete_I> i have no idea
[05:29] <zac_> you understand the question, though?
[05:30] <Pete_I> nope
[05:30] <Pete_I> i'm new here too :)
[05:30] <goodluck> i'm having trouble configuring touchpad on my notebook. my xorg.conf is ok and when i run tpconfig it says: Could not open PS/2 Port [/dev/psaux]... any idea?
[05:30] <Pete_I> "open window panel"?
[05:30] <zac_> i guess i want this instance, or any instance of the xfce terminal, from occupying its spot on the tasklist panel
[05:31] <Pete_I> isn't that contrary to the tasklist's purpose?
[05:31] <zac_> hmmm, the more i think of it the more i think this might be an unreasonable request
[05:32] <zac_> yeah, but it running seamlessly on the desktop is part of the intention....nonobtrusive
[05:33] <Pete_I> http://www.ubuntu-unleashed.com/2007/08/howto-completely-transparent-shell-on.html like that?
[05:33] <zac_> jesus
[05:34] <zac_> thanks for that link
[05:34] <zac_> here I am trying to do it with xfce's terminal app
[05:34] <zac_> once upo atime I could do this all day on flux with aterm
[05:34] <Pete_I> well, that link mentions nothing about the tasklist
[05:34] <zac_> see
[05:34] <zac_> yeah
[05:34] <Pete_I> could still do it with xfce's probly
[05:35] <zac_> i guess i have to gauge my dependency on the tasklist
[05:35] <zac_> I triple boot
[05:35] <Pete_I> yeah...you'd have to alter the tasklist program to not show it
[05:35] <Pete_I> too complicated
[05:35] <zac_> so I'm kinda spoiled to a laucher that keeps track of open windows
[05:35] <Pete_I> technically, it would be an open window :/
[05:36] <zac_> yup
[05:36]  * zac_ apt-get 'see ya' to cairo-dock
[05:37] <zac_> piece of shit
[05:37] <Pete_I> :/
[05:37] <Pete_I> what's wrong with it?
[05:37] <zac_> its buggy as hell
[05:37] <zac_> doesnt draw right
[05:37] <Pete_I> ah
[05:37] <zac_> transparency needs some work
[05:37] <zac_> all fo it, rather
[05:37] <Pete_I> i've never used docking widget things :/
[05:38] <zac_> you rely on at least one xfce panel?
[05:38] <Pete_I> two
[05:38] <zac_> tasklist?
[05:38] <Pete_I> rarely.
[05:38] <zac_> you don;t minimize a lot?
[05:38] <Pete_I> alt+tab and switching workspaces
[05:38] <Pete_I> nevar!
[05:38] <zac_> hah
[05:39] <zac_> i cant help myself
[05:39] <Pete_I> i wish alt+tab only switched between programs on the current workspace though
[05:39] <zac_> it lists all of them eh?
[05:39] <Pete_I> it gets annoying. i'm working linguistics research on one desktop, and alt+tabbing through games i haven't played in an hour
[05:39] <zac_> tell me
[05:40] <Pete_I> tell you what?
[05:40] <goodluck> i think nobody knows :(
[05:40] <zac_> nm, just that i hear your frustrations
[05:40]  * zac_ tell me about it
[05:41] <zac_> vbasic in my vista partition, dw8 in my osxpartiton, and my love of open source in xubuntu
[05:41] <zac_> u switch workspaces, I hate the reboots
[05:41] <Pete_I> goodluck, i have no idea. best start at google http://www.google.com/search?q=Could+not+open+PS%2F2+Port+ubuntu+touchpad+%2Fdev%2Fpsaux
[05:42] <Pete_I> vista takes up so much harddrive space :/
[05:42] <zac_> factory installed OS, only reason its still there
[05:43] <zac_> heh
[05:43] <Pete_I> it was factory installed on my lappy, 40gb harddrive. vista took 20gb
[05:43] <Pete_I> <.< yeah, it runs linux now
[05:43] <zac_> how dare an oem do that to you
[05:44] <goodluck> I've tried all those links :D
[05:44] <goodluck> I'll search more, thanks.
[05:44] <Pete_I> sorry i can't help :(
[05:44] <Pete_I> there're no proper sound drivers for my lappy though. rather sad.
[05:44] <zac_> ok
[05:45] <zac_> so while im on the subject, and in good company, you know of any calendar app that can notify on the desktop, with some slimlined customization?
[05:46] <nubuntu> goodluck, no; here I am...
[05:47] <Pete_I> define "on the desktop", "notify" and "slimlined customization"?
[05:47] <zac_> kindal like ical and growl on the mac, with geektool....
[05:48] <Pete_I> :D i have no idea what those are
[05:48] <goodluck> i just hate acer notebooks
[05:48] <zac_> that may be way out of bounds to say
[05:48]  * goodluck unlocked touchpad clicking the touchpad button
[05:48] <Pete_I> goodluck, yeah, my notebook's acer. good luck
[05:48] <nubuntu> Pete_I: lifes a b$%^&, then u die
[05:49] <Pete_I> nubuntu, O RLY?
[05:49] <nubuntu> :)
[05:49] <goodluck> mine is a acer aspire 4720
[05:49] <nubuntu> yes, u din't know?
[05:49] <Pete_I> 4315 here. yours is newer :)
[05:50] <goodluck> wow, mine is old, i bought it last year
[05:50] <goodluck> and i'm brazilian, everything comes here later
[05:50] <Pete_I> i bought mine last year. it was on sale 'cause they thought it was crappy
[05:51] <goodluck> haha i like these stores
[05:51] <goodluck> unfortunately here they think everything is gold
[05:51] <Pete_I> well, for running vista, it doesn't quite match up
[05:51] <goodluck> so what costs U$400 there will cost at least U$1000 here
[05:51] <Pete_I> (dunno why they installed vista), but it's running xubuntu fine
[05:51] <goodluck> well, you don't need vista though
[05:52] <goodluck> acer notebooks come with vista
[05:52] <goodluck> its default
[05:52] <Pete_I> wish a few things worked better on linux though
[05:52] <Pete_I> audacious is always crashing and stuff
[05:53] <Pete_I> Diablo 2 works better on linux via wine than in win xp. that's lol-worthy
[05:53] <goodluck> yep, audacious crashs a lot :D
[05:53] <goodluck> i like amarok, but i dont like kde
[05:53] <Pete_I> amarok's ok, but i didn't want to install kde
[05:54] <goodluck> thats why i use audacious too
[05:54] <goodluck> i'm kind of new at linux world, but i'm liking it
[05:54] <Pete_I> i'm using xmms2 for music, audacious for streams. it won't play more than one file/stream anymore for some reason
[05:54] <goodluck> hmm
[05:55] <goodluck> i don't like to install too many packages
[05:55] <goodluck> and i do think i have 193012039 packages that are useless
[05:55] <goodluck> but i dont know how can i uninstall them :(
[05:55] <Pete_I> i've got plenty of space, i'll install something if i think i'll use it
[05:56] <goodluck> i dont have that much, maybe 100gb... but i need it because my work demands a lot of space
[05:56] <Pete_I> OS including /home/ is 11gb. i've got 5gb of OS space left
[05:56] <Pete_I> i store most of my downloads on a separate drive
[05:56] <goodluck> hmm
[05:57] <goodluck> ah
[05:57] <goodluck> let me ask you
[05:57] <goodluck> is there a way to see wich packages i'm not using anymore?
[06:01] <Pete_I> that's an interesting idea
[06:05] <goodluck> because sometimes i want to install a software
[06:06] <goodluck> then i install 9301239812938213 packages (dependencies)
[06:06] <goodluck> then i want to uninstall it, and all the other packages stay
[06:06] <Pete_I> i think it's possible in theory, but i don't know of a program that does it
[06:06] <goodluck> yes, maybe only in theory?
[06:06] <Pete_I> eh, just a minute
[06:07] <goodluck> ok!
[06:08] <zac_> damn, sorry for jetting earlier
[06:08] <zac_> ok, i worked on this for a minute
[06:10] <zac_> if i want to run a new terminal script in a window  that will output(cat) a text file in one swoop, how bould I do that?
[06:11] <zac_> i thought specifying additional commands in a shell sript with && would do it
[06:11] <Pete_I> goodluck, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2651015&postcount=1 ?
[06:12] <zac_> for instance:
[06:12] <zac_> #! /bin/bash
[06:12] <zac_> xfce4-terminal --geometry 40x20+998+0 && cat /home/zac/todo
[06:12] <Pete_I> that won't do it.
[06:12] <zac_> no?
[06:12] <zac_> i uess i knew it wouldnt
[06:12] <Pete_I> it'll cat to the current terminal, not the term you're opening
[06:12] <goodluck> Pete_I,  omg nice :DD:D:DD::D
[06:13] <Pete_I> goodluck, yeah, i'll be looking it over too
[06:14] <zac_> what would be the best way to have that file cat to the spwaned terminal session?
[06:14] <Pete_I> zac_, you could feed the term you're opening a bashfile name with "cat /..." in it?
[06:15] <zac_> Pete_I: exapmle?
[06:15] <zac_> example, rather
[06:15] <Pete_I> xfce4-terminal --geometry 40x20+998+0 ./command.sh
[06:15] <Pete_I> i'm not sure if it'd work, or if it'd close the term after the cat
[06:15] <zac_> cand the 'command.sh is an entirely different bashfile that does the cat?
[06:15] <Pete_I> yeah
[06:16] <zac_> ill try
[06:16] <zac_> gimme a minte
[06:16] <zac_> minute
[06:16] <zac_> damn, me no typie tonght
[06:16] <Pete_I> cmd has a switch for this, but i don't see any real switches in the man for xfce4-terminal
[06:16] <Pete_I> where'd you find the --geometry?
[06:16] <zac_> it was a shot in the dark
[06:17] <zac_> b/c i didnt see anythiong in the man either
[06:17] <zac_> always true for aterm and xterm, figured it ok for xfce-term
[06:17] <Pete_I>  -e, --command=STRING                Execute the argument to this option
[06:17] <Pete_I>                                       inside the terminal
[06:17] <Pete_I> xfce4-terminal --help :)
[06:17] <zac_> damn you
[06:17] <zac_> :)
[06:18] <zac_> so....
[06:18] <Pete_I> <.< sad it took us so long to figure out the help switch
[06:18] <zac_> ii have to stare at this for a sec
[06:18] <goodluck> thats a wonderful link Pete_I, i will use it tomorrow to clean my packages :)
[06:18] <goodluck> well, gotta go now, need to work tomorrow at 6 am and its already 2 am here
[06:18] <Pete_I> xfce4-terminal --geometry 40x20+998+0 '--command="cat /home/zac/todo"'
[06:18] <Pete_I> not sure if the " are needed or not
[06:19] <goodluck> gnight ;)
[06:19] <Pete_I> goodluck, ok, have fun
[06:19] <zac_> what about the -e switch
[06:19] <Pete_I> does the same thing
[06:19] <Pete_I> xfce4-terminal --geometry 40x20+998+0 -e 'cat /home/zac/todo'
[06:19] <zac_> ok lemme edit the basher
[06:21] <zac_> damn
[06:21] <zac_> no workie
[06:22] <Pete_I> noticed :/
[06:23] <zac_> u try running?
[06:24] <Pete_I> yeah, it doesn't cat anything
[06:24] <zac_> i am steps away from having a nice ass way to keep  a  transparent dayplnner on my desktop
[06:24] <Pete_I> --window opens a new window, but doesn't run the command
[06:24] <zac_> my 7 classes, 21 credit hrs
[06:25] <Pete_I> ya know, you could just... type the cat command
[06:26] <Pete_I> <.<
[06:26] <Pete_I> but i'm gonna figure out how to do this now. it's been a whole hour.
[06:26] <zac_> i started an hour ago? :0
[06:29] <zac_> arrrrrgh
[06:31] <Pete_I> :/ we need a pro here. i've no idea why this isn't working
[06:32] <zac_> no shit
[06:32] <zac_> that switch is as plain as day
[06:32] <zac_> i have half as much hair now
[06:32] <Pete_I> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=760006&page=2 this appears to be kinda what we're doing
[06:32] <Pete_I> we just want it open for much longer
[06:34] <zac_> yeah, but i have no need for the second term, actually i want it spwaned and displayed in the first
[06:34] <Pete_I> ...displayed inside the first term? like a new tab?
[06:35] <isabel__> i installed ubuntu
[06:35] <TheSheep> -x executes a command
[06:35] <isabel__> then installed xubuntu
[06:35] <zac_> i've disabled any and all hint of a GUI on this term window, so tabs do no good
[06:35] <Pete_I> isabel__, congrats
[06:35] <isabel__> how do i get rid of ubuntu/gnome now?
[06:35] <zac_> beside the point, this damn -e switch oughtta be working
[06:35] <isabel__> i tried this http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[06:35] <Pete_I> isabel__, sudo apt-get remove gnome ?
[06:35] <isabel__> but it's still there as a login option when  i boot up
[06:35] <TheSheep> isabel__: apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop; apt-get autoremove
[06:36] <Pete_I> ah,t hat's the one
[06:36] <TheSheep> the first will only remove a metapackage, the second witll remove all packages that depended on it
[06:37] <isabel__> TheSheep, Is sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop; apt-get autoremove the whole command? including the ;?
[06:38] <isabel__> it says ubuntu-desktop is not installed so not removed
[06:38] <isabel__> when i try sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[06:39] <TheSheep> isabel__: they are two commands separated with l
[06:39] <TheSheep> with ;
[06:39] <TheSheep> ok, then do sudo apt-get autoremove
[06:39] <isabel__> can i copy and paste it?
[06:40] <Pete_I> zac_, i have no idea. it's not workin :(
[06:40] <isabel__> doesnt' work
[06:40] <TheSheep> !doesn't work
[06:41] <isabel__> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 255 not upgraded.
[06:41] <zac_>  xfce4-terminal --geometry 40x20+998+0 '--command="cat /home/zac/todo"'
[06:42] <zac_> thats as close as i get
[06:42] <Pete_I> we're trying to start a new xfce4-terminal window and have it run a command
[06:42] <zac_> run from the terminal it does open up another but no output
[06:42] <Pete_I> same for everything i've tried
[06:42] <Pete_I> ....
[06:42] <TheSheep> xfce4-terminal --geometry 40x20+998+0 -x 'cat /home/zac/todo'
[06:42] <Pete_I> damnit. it's a bot.
[06:43] <Pete_I> same result.
[06:43] <Pete_I> wait...
[06:43] <zac_> yup, same
[06:43] <Pete_I> yeah, same
[06:44] <zac_> dammit
[06:44] <zac_> what a bug
[06:44] <Pete_I> it's not the cat, it won't even echo
[06:44] <zac_> maybe i will have to try another term
[06:44] <TheSheep> aah
[06:44] <TheSheep> skip the ''
[06:44] <zac_> but i spent so much time on this already
[06:45] <TheSheep> xfce4-terminal --geometry 40x20+998+0 -x less ~/.bashrc
[06:46] <Pete_I> xfce4-terminal --geometry 80x40 --command 'vi'
[06:46] <Pete_I>  works
[06:46] <zac_> how the hell does it less but not cat?
[06:47] <Pete_I> closes the term when the command is done i think.
[06:47] <Pete_I> that's what the --hold switch is for i believe
[06:47] <TheSheep> zac_: cat will work too, but will disappear after it finishes
[06:48] <zac_> yeah, i just lessed the file and it displayed
[06:48] <zac_> answeres that I guess
[06:49] <Pete_I> :/
[06:49] <zac_> kinda hate the less EOF, though
[06:49] <Pete_I> that took far too long.
[06:49] <zac_> secretely we learned something :)
[06:49] <TheSheep> the problem was with quoting the whole command
[06:49] <Pete_I> it was the '' around the command we were doing it appears
[06:49] <Pete_I> that's strange.
[06:50] <zac_> no
[06:50] <zac_> i had a quoteless cat arg
[06:50] <zac_> none ever worked
[06:50] <Pete_I> cat closes too fast
[06:50] <Pete_I> i guess
[06:50] <TheSheep> it tried to find an executable with spaces and slashes in it
[06:50] <Pete_I> :o
[06:51] <zac_> ok
[06:51] <zac_> im gonna rework this a minute
[06:52] <Pete_I> :) glad we solved it. thank you, TheSheep
[06:53] <zac_> thnks sheep
[07:08] <flyback> WHAT THE CANUCK Is the name of the mixer app
[07:08]  * flyback bangs his head into the wall
[07:08] <flyback> it's not on the menu
[07:09] <flyback> nm found it
[07:09] <flyback> otherwise pretty damn decent distro for older boxes
[07:10] <flyback> or vm hosts :)
[07:12] <frenzy42> hey everyone
[07:12] <frenzy42> so i download the VLC plugin for firefox and it seems to screw up and crash my browser, how can i uninstall it
[07:13] <TheSheep> frenzy42: find it in synaptic and uninstall
[07:13] <frenzy42> ah HA!
[07:13] <frenzy42> ok!
[12:54] <oldeffingibm> hi, anyone home?
[12:56] <vinnl> oldeffingibm, here
[12:57] <oldeffingibm> hi =) trying to install xubuntu on an old ibm p3 using live/desktop cd
[12:59] <oldeffingibm> however the options "try.." "install..." and "check cd.." all lead to a black screen with: BusyBox v1.1.3 (Debian 1:1.1.3-5ubuntu12) Built-in shell (ash)
[13:00] <oldeffingibm> Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.
[13:00] <oldeffingibm> (initramfs)_
[13:00] <vinnl> You could try using the alternate install cd
[13:00] <vinnl> Perhaps it doesn't look as easy but it's more likely to work
[13:00] <vinnl> Disadvantage is that you don't know whether Xubuntu will work with your hardware
[13:01] <vinnl> I suppose you're trying version 8.04?
[13:01] <oldeffingibm> Yup. Would you suggest a different one?
[13:02] <favro> !alternate
[13:02] <vinnl> oldeffingibm, no, just making sure you're using a stable version ;-)
[13:03] <oldeffingibm> Might as well give it a shot since I've already dl'd all four .isos "just in case".
[13:03] <oldeffingibm> Now if only I can find a blank CD.
[13:03] <vinnl> xD
[13:05] <oldeffingibm> I'm just killing time, actually. And there are two old desktop units here I'd want to try Xubuntu on.
[13:06] <oldeffingibm> One is the IBM p3
[13:06] <oldeffingibm> which, surprisingly has TWO processors. :-X
[13:06] <oldeffingibm> and an old HP Pavillion
[13:10] <oldeffingibm> And both are [were] running windows xp... albeit in a slow way. So I figured if they could run XP, surely Xubuntu can.
[13:12] <favro> it might just be a mem issue - try removing/replacing the mem stick a couple of times
[13:24] <oldeffingibm> favro, it's still the same. And while I was fiddling with the mem sticks, I saw 3x256mb.
[13:24] <oldeffingibm> That should be sufficient for Ubuntu, right?
[13:25] <favro> I used 256 on an old pent3
[13:25] <favro> 128 is ok with the alternate cd
[13:30] <oldeffingibm> I just noticed something. After selecting an option, an error message will print on the monitor... acpi=force required. Is this important?
[13:30] <favro> yep
[13:31] <favro> it's a boot option - F6 at the install prompt should let you add it
[13:32] <oldeffingibm> Hmm... after the "--" at the end or right at the beginning?
[13:33] <favro> I would think at the end
[13:36] <oldeffingibm> All right. Let me go through with the alternate cd and see if I can pull it off.
[13:36] <vinnl> I would think before the "--" btw
[13:36] <vinnl> ...but that's based on nothing
[13:37] <oldeffingibm> lol xD
[13:37] <oldeffingibm> well, wherever it should be placed, the alternate cd is now at the network detection part
[13:37] <vinnl> Cool
[13:39] <oldeffingibm> Ok, I'm at partitioning disks. Which one should I pick if I just want a clean sweep?
[13:40] <oldeffingibm> Because the last (and first time) I did it, I used the "Guided - use the largest continuous free space"
[13:40] <vinnl> oldeffingibm, could you list what the options are? :)
[13:41] <oldeffingibm> Guided - resize SCSI (0,0,0), partition #1 (sda) and use freed s [it cuts off here]
[13:41] <oldeffingibm> Guided - use entire disk [ok, stab me but this would probably be it]
[13:41] <oldeffingibm> Guided - use the largest continuous free space
[13:41] <vinnl> Hehe, yeah :P
[13:42] <oldeffingibm> lol... oh, what's LVM in "Guided - use entire disk and set up LVM"?
[13:44] <vinnl> !LVM
[13:44] <favro> logical volume management - you prob won't want to use it
[13:45] <oldeffingibm> thanks
[13:48] <oldeffingibm> I can't believe it took just under a decade to go from "I have 10GBs!!" to "wtf, 2TB and I'm still running out of space"
[13:48] <favro> hehe
[13:51] <oldeffingibm> The alternate cd wasn't as bad as I thought it would be... xD and here I thought I would be typing out codes like mad.
[13:52] <vinnl> ^.^
[13:53] <oldeffingibm> Oh, yeah... I was also wondering if you guys would have a recommended linux flavor for notebook pcs?
[13:54] <oldeffingibm> I like ubuntu but for some reason, it's not as battery efficient as compared to runnning Vista... :-S
[13:54] <Myrtti> oldeffingibm: other than buntu?
[13:54] <oldeffingibm> sure, why not :)
[13:54] <Myrtti> oldeffingibm: I've not found as good distro for laptops than buntu
[13:55] <Myrtti> so...
[13:55] <Myrtti> "buntu"
[13:55] <Myrtti> hth, hand, etc.
[13:56] <oldeffingibm> That's what a lot of people at forums say. And they even get longer time.. some doubled.. than Vista/XP
[13:56] <oldeffingibm> I just can't get my machine to produce the same results..
[13:59] <oldeffingibm> Even at all the lowest settings
[13:59] <oldeffingibm> and tweaks
[16:27] <thinkmassive> I've got a DVD video made by a friend (no CSS) and I want to duplicate it... can I just rip an iso and burn it?
[16:29] <favro> sure :)
[16:29] <thinkmassive> nice, thanks :)
[16:30] <favro> !devede
[16:30] <favro> !info devede
[16:31] <thinkmassive> how about encrypted movies that I legally own?
[16:32] <bytor4232> thinkmassive: You need to use something to rip it off the disk.  Thats technically illegal.
[16:32] <bytor4232> thinkmassive: I "hear" that mencoder will do this well ;)
[16:33] <thinkmassive> ah ok, I suppose I won't do it then, but if someone from a country where it is legal asks, then I will recommend that, thanks bytor4232
[16:33] <vinnl> ...you guys are so politically correct... :P
[16:39] <thinkmassive> heh
[18:30] <venome>  hi, i've got a minor issue with my touchscreen ... when I start the system in recovery, the device (/dev/input/event3) responds all right ... but when I start normal system, I can't get anything from /dev/input/event3 and the touchscreen does not work ... does anyone know what could went wrong?
[18:58] <nclife> heya. I'm looking for a fast a light bittorrent client
[18:58] <nclife> there's one called BitTorrent Download Client which is a Gnome interface for executing BitTorrent files
[18:59] <nclife> anyone know if that one is any good?
[19:00] <niceguy> hello everybody
[19:00] <Myrtti> what's wrong with transmission?
[19:01] <nclife> ah nothing, is transmission good enough? I haven't tried it
[19:02] <niceguy> was wondering if anyone could help me with this- my objective is to run a bashfile that spawns xfce4-terminal and cats a file in the window that spawns. The trouble is, i think cat runs and stops so fast, that the windows closes- and i cant see anything
[19:02] <Myrtti> it's excellent and has come a long way since the early days I tried it
[19:03] <nclife> sweet, I shall give it a try then
[19:03] <nclife> thanks
[19:03] <niceguy> so i need to figure out a better way... its a 'todo' list.. of course its transparent on my desktop
[19:04] <niceguy> i can include 'less' in the -e switch, but there's the annoying EOF at the bottom of the window
[19:18] <bytor4232> niceguy: Put your commands in a script, and put "read" at the end.  It will wait for a keypress.
[19:23] <niceguy> "read" at the end of the original bashfile?
[19:26] <niceguy> i guess i would like to not see anything but the text in the file
[19:44] <e319> I am looking to get vmware tools actually working with Xubuntu, any clues on installing vmware tools? I have Xubuntu in a virtual machine file currently
[19:46] <vinnl> It might be in the Canonical partner repositories
[19:46] <vinnl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Adding%20Canonical%20Partner%20Repositories
[21:51] <Tobbe> Hi guys. I just installed xubuntu on an old laptop. I need some help getting wireless working
[21:51] <Tobbe> I've found Network Settings, but I can't figure out how to configure it
[21:52] <vinnl> Tobbe, you need the icon in the top right-hand corner
[21:52] <vinnl> Left-click it once (the one with the monitors I believe)
[21:52] <Tobbe> it has a few vertical lines, but yeah
[21:53] <vinnl> That should list wireless networks if your card is working
[21:53] <Tobbe> it finds my wirless network, but I need to supply a static IP, netmask, gateway and dns server
[21:53] <Tobbe> and I can't figure out how to do that
[21:54] <vinnl> Hmm, OK, not sure what that all is (I think, though, you'll be able to do all that from there when Xubuntu 8.10 arrives), but I suppose you'll be able to configure that from the "Manual configuration" (/network settings)
[21:54] <vinnl> Tobbe, you'd have to disable roaming mode first
[21:54] <vinnl> (What version of Xubuntu are you using btw?)
[21:55] <Tobbe> latest 8.04.1 I beleive
[21:55] <vinnl> OK, are you in the manual configuration?
[21:55] <Tobbe> yeah, it says roaming is enabled in Network Settings
[21:56] <vinnl> OK, you'll have to disable that
[21:57] <Tobbe> ok
[21:57] <vinnl> Then you can change the setting for "Configuration" and enter the stuff you want
[21:57] <Tobbe> then it asks for "Password type", can be wep or wpa, but I can't choose "none"
[21:58] <vinnl> Tobbe, just enter none
[21:58] <vinnl> *no password
[21:58] <vinnl> *sigh*
[21:58] <vinnl> *Just don't enter a password
[21:58] <vinnl> (Yes, that is counter-intuitive)
[21:59] <Tobbe> ok, so I can just leave it at WEP, or whatever, and leave the password field blank?
[21:59] <vinnl> Yep
[22:00] <Tobbe> success!
[22:00] <Tobbe> thank you :)
[22:00] <vinnl> My pleasure :)
[22:56] <Rindae> can i use getdeb for xubuntu?
[22:56] <vinnl> Rindae, yup
[22:56] <Rindae> kk
[22:56] <Rindae> but not kubuntu?
[22:56] <vinnl> Kubuntu as well
[22:57] <Rindae> ok
[22:57] <Rindae> but gnome and xfce use both gtk?
[22:57] <Myrtti> yup
[22:58] <Rindae> ^^
[22:59] <Rindae> is the alternate-version easy to install?
[22:59] <Myrtti> fairly so, yes.
[22:59] <Odd-rationale> Rindae: yes
[22:59] <vinnl> If you're not scared, yes ^.^
[22:59] <Odd-rationale> well, for us... :P
[22:59] <Rindae> hehe, ok, thanks for the help!
[22:59] <Rindae> hehe
[22:59] <vinnl> Odd-rationale, if you compare it to the LiveCD it's not much more difficult...
[23:00] <vinnl> Rindae, good luck :)
[23:00] <Rindae> ye, thanks
[23:00] <Odd-rationale> no it's not... i find it faster as well...
[23:00] <vinnl> No it's not as in no it's not more difficult? :P
[23:01] <Odd-rationale> vinnl: no as is... uh, in other words, i agree with you... :P
[23:01] <vinnl> Hehe
[23:01] <zoredache> I think the alternate is easier to work with...  I would guess others would disagree
[23:01] <Odd-rationale> plus more options aswell...
[23:01] <vinnl> Which is why it's great to have a choice :)
[23:18] <Rindae> any good multi fps?
[23:19] <Rindae> and not any quakemod
[23:40] <Rindae> :D
[23:40] <Rindae> then im off to install