[00:03] <Tukon> anyone see usb keyboards not working in intrepid alpha 6?
[00:34] <favro> Tukon: do you know there is #ubuntu+1 for intrepid talk?
[00:42] <cosmofield> Anyone here using icecat?
[00:44] <Tukon> favro: thanks
[00:44] <favro> np :)
[00:44] <favro> what's icecat?
[00:55] <Schuenemann> is it possible to use chmod to change file permissions for a specific user?
[00:56] <zipper> i think you want to take a look at 'chown' for that
[00:56] <zipper> changes the ownership of a file
[00:56] <zipper> dunno if thats what you want?
[00:56] <zipper> chown user:group filename
[00:56] <Schuenemann> hmmm... suppose I have a file and I want someone to have read access to it. Just that. Can I?
[00:57] <zipper> sure, but it might be a little tricky
[00:57] <Glady> yep
[00:57] <zipper> you could change the ownership of the file to that user, and then only allow that user to read it (and noone else)
[00:57] <Glady> another program runing with a common name
[00:58] <Schuenemann> why does he have to become the owner?
[00:58] <Schuenemann> couldn't that be undoable?
[00:59] <favro> what's wrong with chmod o+r
[00:59] <zipper> but if you want several users to read it, but not other users, you need to add those users to a group, and then allow that group to read the file
[00:59] <zipper> favro, nothing if it already has the right owner
[01:00] <zipper> my bad, i assumed it didnt
[01:01] <chris_____> uhm where does ubuntu store its bootloader? apparently the drive is not bootable anymore
[01:02] <Guest19504> how can I pause the bootup process? for some reason I can't find a few thing in syslog
[01:03] <Guest19504> how can I pause the bootup process? for some reason I can't find a few thing in syslog
[01:04] <jkuboschek> hey guys, i just got a new dvd drive and it's not recognized in kubuntu. can someone help me?
[01:06] <zipper> favro, ehh, nevermind me, i've had a few =P. o+r would allow everyone to read it, i dont think thats what he wants
[01:07] <zipper> o = others.... no?
[01:07] <Schuenemann> others not in the file group
[01:07] <zipper> yes ok, just making sure
[01:08] <Schuenemann> I was reading the man page and this question appeared
[01:08] <zipper> but as i said before, i'm pretty sure the only way to do what you want, is through groups
[01:08] <zipper> that way you can specificly decide which users should have access and which shouldnt
[01:08] <Schuenemann> I see
[01:09] <zipper> but keep reading man, it usually knows better than me =)
[01:09] <favro> o+r will let all people read it but not write or execute if they aren't in the same group  as the owner
[01:09] <zipper> favro, yeah i know, i just got got the 'o' part confused with owner since i dont usually use letters with chmod
[01:10] <Schuenemann> well, it will change only read permission. the other ones stay the same
[01:10] <LeeJunFan> chris_____: first sector of the hd.
[01:10] <jkuboschek> hey guys, i just got a new dvd drive and it's not recognized in kubuntu. can someone help me?
[01:10] <LeeJunFan> chris_____: you need to re-install grub or something?
[01:10] <Schuenemann> jkuboschek, I probably can't, but give more details about the drive
[01:10] <chris_____> LeeJunFan: i probably have to... and i dont mean the MBR, i need the bootloader
[01:11] <LeeJunFan> chris_____: ah, okay.
[01:11] <ign0ramus> jkuboschek: what kind of drive (brand, model)
[01:11] <ign0ramus> chris_____: are you talking about your grub?
[01:11] <jkuboschek> ign0ramus: HP 1035I 20X IDE
[01:12] <chris_____> if i select my ubuntu partition as active it cant boot
[01:12] <Schuenemann> chris_____, the image?
[01:12] <chris_____> but it should, shouldnt it?
[01:13] <DreadKnight> heya; anyone familiar with tablets around? want to map my stylus button to right click
[01:13] <ign0ramus> jkuboschek: different model, but maybe try disabling in the bios... from here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/176133
[01:14] <ign0ramus> chris_____: what do you mean if you 'select your partition as active'...?  Is this on your GRUB loading screen?
[01:14]  * DreadKnight strugles to map his stylus button to right-click
[01:14] <chris_____> ign0ramus: no i am referring to making the partition bootable
[01:15] <chris_____> via flag in the MBR
[01:15] <LeeJunFan> chris_____: it doesn't need to be for linux. I've never marked a partition as bootable. Grub takes care of it.  I think grub just cuts straight to the kernel itself doesn't it?
[01:15] <jkuboschek> ign0ramus: thanks, but i'm running 8.04 :) i've just tried something, brb
[01:15] <chris_____> im talking about BIOS level here
[01:16] <chris_____> bios boots this partition and it cant
[01:16] <chris_____> it can boot other partitions however
[01:16] <Glady> what is on that partition?
[01:16] <chris_____> so... i must have had my grub on another drive?
[01:17] <chris_____> ubuntu is on that partition, but i had to delete the swap drive
[01:17] <ign0ramus> chris_____: if it were properly configured, then yes, you've answered your own question
[01:17] <LeeJunFan> chris_____: I think I'm on a different car on the thought train with you. BIOS loads MBR (Grub), Grub loads kernel, kernel loads init...
[01:17] <chris_____> mbr is not grub
[01:17] <Glady> how u can delete the swap drive
[01:17] <LeeJunFan> chris_____: what is it then?
[01:17] <Glady> it makes non sense chris
[01:18] <ign0ramus> chris_____: bios will always seek an mbr of some type to boot... if it's failing on one partition, but working on another, then the trouble is most likely with the partition
[01:18] <LeeJunFan> grub is the bootloader, it's installed to the mbr.
[01:18] <chris_____> mbr is a partition table that also holds flags for which partition the bios is going to boot from
[01:18] <LeeJunFan> the partition table is AFTER the mbr
[01:18] <LeeJunFan> mbr is the code that takes over where bios ends.
[01:19] <byteme_> hi all
[01:20] <chris_____> i can select partition 1 and 2 as active and the both boot
[01:20] <chris_____> if i select partition 3 (linux) as active (boot flag) it dont boot
[01:20] <chris_____> it makes no sense that grub comes before partition table
[01:21] <LeeJunFan> chris_____: some operating systems put their kernel starting on the first byte of the partition it's installed on, so if the bios boots that partition then it's loading the kernel (windows), linux does not put it's kernel in such a way.
[01:21] <LeeJunFan> chris_____: you need to install grub to the mbr of your hd.
[01:21] <ign0ramus> mbr contains the partition table
[01:22] <ign0ramus> not really going to fix chris_____'s problem, but may help some people: http://duartes.org/gustavo/blog/post/how-computers-boot-up
[01:22] <LeeJunFan> the partition table is the first bytes following the mbr.
[01:23] <LeeJunFan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record
[01:24] <chris_____> i dont HAVE to alter the mbr to boot linux do i?
[01:24] <chris_____> all OS have boot menus dont they?
[01:24] <chris_____> i can boot my XP drive and select another partition to boot from there, just like grub
[01:24] <danubio> hi
[01:25] <favro> hi danubio
[01:25] <chris_____> but if theres no bootloader there (which is my problem) i get a failure
[01:25] <compilerwriter> Is there anyone interested in making a package for me?  I have tried to get a tarball to compile but am having dependency issues just getting ready to compile.
[01:25] <danubio> alguien habla español?
[01:26] <favro> chris_____: you can get grub back using the live cd
[01:26] <ign0ramus> !es | danubio
[01:26] <compilerwriter> Or better yet could walk me through the compile?
[01:26] <chris_____> favro: im on the live cd... what command should i look up?
[01:27] <favro> chris_____: you do the work from konsole - start with sudo grub
[01:27] <LeeJunFan> chris_____: when your bios tries to boot it simply executes code in a linear fashion, so it starts at byte 0 of whichever partition you slect. With windows that's kernel code - so it's okay. With linux byte 0 might be some html cache or something, to load linux you NEED a bootloader like grub on your MBR.
[01:27] <compilerwriter> Jucato you availiable for a few minutes?
[01:27] <LeeJunFan> !grube
[01:27] <LeeJunFan> !grub
[01:27] <ign0ramus> chris_____: http://pastebin.com/m71d52b85
[01:28] <chris_____> tx guys... im gonna read up on that
[01:29] <chris_____> partitions in linux start with 0?
[01:29] <ign0ramus> chris_____: yep
[01:30] <ign0ramus> chris_____: Unix numbering system begins with 0
[01:34] <byteme_> hi all I just installed 8.04 to make a dual boot system. Upon restarting for the first time I get a grub 19 error
[01:34] <LeeJunFan> it's grub night
[01:35] <chris_____> have to reboot the cd
[01:35] <byteme_> do I replace current BL in the MBL witht the linux one?
[01:35] <compilerwriter> That or it could be package night LeeJunFan
[01:35] <DreadKnight> byteme_: you're in deep shit with that...
[01:35] <byteme_> nooo man
[01:36] <DreadKnight> byteme_: you could try that
[01:36] <ign0ramus> byteme_: pastebin /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:37] <byteme_> I dont under stand what that error means though.     Does it mean   ---> Loading below 1MB is not supported
[01:37] <ign0ramus> byteme_: alternatively, you can try fixing your grub with the livecd
[01:37] <byteme_> yeah thats what I was thinking
[01:37] <LeeJunFan> This error is returned if the lowest address in a kernel is below the 1MB boundary. The Linux zImage format is a special case and can be handled since it has a fixed loading address and maximum size.
[01:37] <byteme_> I'm a newbie, but I'm learning fast
[01:38] <ign0ramus> byteme_: you probably have initrd trying to run before the kernel is loaded
[01:38] <LeeJunFan> ign0ramus: yeah, sounds about right.
[01:38] <byteme_> whats intrid?
[01:38] <ign0ramus> byteme_: if you posted your /boot/grub/menu.lst, we could see for sure
[01:38] <byteme_> I can find that in dolphin?
[01:39] <LeeJunFan> byteme_: it's a compressed image of a filesystem used during bootup by the kernel.
[01:39] <LeeJunFan> byteme_: it holds modules and some other startup scripts mostly.
[01:39] <byteme_> ahhh
[01:39] <ign0ramus> byteme_: ' kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst '
[01:39] <ign0ramus> or kwrite if it complains kate isn't installed
[01:39] <byteme_> that is ehat i type in the live cd?
[01:39] <ign0ramus> sorry... i just automatically use kate for everything.
[01:39] <ign0ramus> byteme_: yes, in a terminal
[01:39] <byteme_> gotcha
[01:40] <LeeJunFan> only the path will be different.
[01:40] <byteme_> well crap what would that be?
[01:40] <digistyl3> does anyone use headphones with his laptop? i have a hda-intel sound card, and when i plug in my headphones, i don't hear any sound in them
[01:41] <ign0ramus> digistyl3: what kind of laptop?
[01:41] <geek> digistyl3: yeah, works fine on my thinkpad. check the volume? ;p
[01:42] <ign0ramus> geek: it's a known issue with HDA Intel sound
[01:42] <ign0ramus> ...but 99% fixable!
[01:42] <geek> lol
[01:42] <digistyl3> ign0ramus: dell studio 15
[01:42] <geek> ign0ramus: is there a known issue with internal mics as well? ;p
[01:42] <digistyl3> ign0ramus: how can i fix it? :)
[01:42] <ign0ramus> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[01:43] <ign0ramus> geek: yes, usually mics and headphones will not work OOB with HDA Intel
[01:44] <geek> ahh
[01:44] <geek> i'll need to poke this later then ;p
[01:44] <digistyl3> ign0ramus: do i have to do every step from that article?
[01:45] <ign0ramus> digistyl3: no... read first, then ask questions if you still have them
[01:46] <byteme_> !pastebin
[01:47] <ign0ramus> digistyl3: even better: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hardy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller
[01:47] <ign0ramus> digistyl3: strike that, use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gutsy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller  ... it should work for hardy as well
[01:48] <digistyl3> ign0ramus: well let's hope it works for intrepid too ;)
[01:48] <ign0ramus> digistyl3: oh!  good luck!
[01:50] <LeeJunFan> byteme_: you on the livecd on that system now?
[01:52] <digistyl3> ign0ramus: thanks for the links
[01:52] <byteme_> on another pc yes
[01:52] <byteme_> here is my boot menu
[01:52] <byteme_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/48447/
[01:53] <ign0ramus> digistyl3: np dude.  also, check this out. guy with same laptop and his issues (and resolutions!) to hardware issues http://www.avalpa.com/assets/andrea/studio15/debian_on_dell_studio15.html
[01:55] <LeeJunFan> byteme_: bad news: I'm either blind or this isn't going to be easy because I don't see anything wrong with it immediately. What did you do with the system before this started happening?
[01:55] <ign0ramus> LeeJunFan: i came to the same conclusion... :/
[01:55] <byteme_> fresh install of XP
[01:56] <ign0ramus> byteme_: i think you should just repair your grub from the livecd then.  Windows generally will try to kill grub and install its mbr over top
[01:56] <byteme_> I am to give this PC to a custumer tomorrow
[01:56] <LeeJunFan> byteme_: yeah, I agree with ign0ramus, although I'm confused as to how any grub is there at all after XP install.
[01:57] <LeeJunFan> !grub | byteme_
[01:57] <digistyl3> ign0ramus: just tell me your address so i can send you a beer ;)
[01:57] <digistyl3> :D
[01:57] <byteme_> I installed XP and then 8.04 using 50% of the drive
[01:57] <byteme_> %0-50 split
[01:58]  * ign0ramus loves free beer!
[01:58] <byteme_> 50-50 split
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> byteme_: so XP was done first?
[01:58] <byteme_> yes
[01:58] <byteme_> I have always done it that way
[01:58] <LeeJunFan> byteme_: yeah, best way to do it.
[01:58] <qwerty121> hello all! where can i find out the list of packages included in kubuntu 8.04.1 dvd?
[01:58] <byteme_> ok cool
[01:59] <byteme_> My store has been open for about two months
[01:59] <LeeJunFan> qwerty121: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[01:59] <tekstacy> !apt-fix
[01:59] <LeeJunFan> qwerty121: well, that may not be specific to the DVD but rather all packages available - sry.
[01:59] <byteme_> and 99% (litterally) of the machines have Kubuntu on them
[02:00] <byteme_> only 2 were XP and NOT 1 VISTA PC  lol
[02:00] <qwerty121> LeeJunFan: i tried to google on it. but didn't find out.
[02:00] <qwerty121> anyone else with a link?
[02:00] <byteme_> I push K hard
[02:01] <byteme_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[02:01] <byteme_> is that the link I need?
[02:01] <ign0ramus> yep :)
[02:01] <byteme_> cool
[02:01] <byteme_> I'm going for it
[02:02] <byteme_> that a heep for your help
[02:02] <byteme_> I may be back for more of it   :o)
[02:03] <cgentry72> why do my application look like windows 3.1 in the newest kde
[02:03] <qwerty121> windows 3.1?
[02:03] <qwerty121> O_O
[02:03] <geek> o0
[02:04] <LeeJunFan> byteme_: I have people actually asking me for linux now, a bit of a switch. I guess when I work on their systems and tell them I never have to work on mine because linux doesn't have the same problems it sinks in.
[02:04] <cgentry72> yes
[02:04] <ForgeAus> hehe really 3.1 is it that bad?
[02:04] <cgentry72> like firefox and xchat both are really grey and square
[02:04] <ForgeAus> it does look grey and windows-ish (especially with a dark taskbar) but not very windows 3.1ish imho
[02:04] <LeeJunFan> cgentry72: newest kde you mean 3.5.x or 4.1.x?
[02:04] <cgentry72> LeeJunFan, 4.1
[02:04] <LeeJunFan> ah, okay.
[02:04] <byteme_> lol yeah, I have had one or two do that
[02:04] <byteme_> its great
[02:05] <LeeJunFan> cgentry72: sudo apt-get install gtk-qt-engine-kde4
[02:05] <cgentry72> LeeJunFan, ok thanks
[02:05] <byteme_> !grub
[02:05] <LeeJunFan> cgentry72: then go into system settings and turn on the gtk styles in appearance.
[02:05] <cgentry72> LeeJunFan, ok
[02:06] <LeeJunFan> cgentry72: install lancelot to replace the default kde4 menu too :)
[02:06] <ign0ramus> byteme_: just for s&g's, does the command ' sudo update-grub ' do anything for you?
[02:06] <cgentry72> LeeJunFan, where do i find it, the same way?
[02:06] <LeeJunFan> cgentry72: sudo apt-get install plasmoid-lancelot - then add the plasmoid to your panel by right clicking.
[02:06] <ForgeAus> brb
[02:06] <byteme_> remember I am on live cd
[02:06] <byteme_> but I will check
[02:07] <MrB0nd> I have a question?
[02:07] <byteme_> oh, I also am not on the web
[02:07] <cgentry72> LeeJunFan, returns couldn't find package on last one
[02:07] <ign0ramus> byteme_: ok, do this, step-by-step with me
[02:07] <byteme_> ok one sec
[02:08] <byteme_> let me bring the pc closer to me rather than run into the showroom
[02:08] <LeeJunFan> cgentry72: oh, you aren't using the ppa sources for kde 4.1.1.
[02:08] <Glady> go ahead james
[02:08] <ign0ramus> byteme_: heh :)
[02:08] <byteme_> 2 minutes
[02:08] <ign0ramus> RUN! :P
[02:08] <cgentry72> LeeJunFan, hmmm how do i add those
[02:08] <MrB0nd> Does any one installed Kubuntu in Sony new FW series 16.4 Inch laptop
[02:08] <MrB0nd> ?
[02:08] <LeeJunFan> cgentry72: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.1
[02:08] <LeeJunFan> newer kde 4 too
[02:09] <ign0ramus> MrB0nd: what is your problem? what distro version, and what version of kde?
[02:09] <MrB0nd> I installed successfully the Kubuntu 8.04 Hardy , but when I boot I get a blank screen
[02:10] <LeeJunFan> MrB0nd: totally blank or is there a mouse pointer? etc?
[02:10] <cgentry72> LeeJunFan, hey thanks for you help
[02:10] <LeeJunFan> cgentry72: your welcome
[02:11] <MrB0nd> no mouse pointer just blank , with some distored black spots
[02:11] <MrB0nd> If any of you guys had same experience I will be glad to know how you resolved this, and also many of them will be glad too
[02:12] <ign0ramus> MrB0nd: can you boot into Recovery Mode (or at least get a terminal)?
[02:12] <LeeJunFan> MrB0nd: if you hit ctrl-alt-f1 do you get a console?
[02:12] <MrB0nd> LeeJunFan: Does that put me into text mode?
[02:12] <LeeJunFan> MrB0nd: yeah.
[02:12] <LeeJunFan> it should anyway
[02:12] <ign0ramus> better than 'blank screen mode'! :P
[02:13] <chris_____> thanks guys my linux is bootable again
[02:13] <ign0ramus> chris_____: cool.  glad everything worked out
[02:13] <MrB0nd> LeeJunFan : Thats great , I havent tried that , lemme try it . Yes its better than blank screen
[02:13] <LeeJunFan> trying to determine if your system actually booted and it's X that's messed up or if it's something more nefarius like framebuffer or the kernel.
[02:13] <ign0ramus> chris_____: and well all learned something about the boot process today!
[02:13] <chris_____> so youre sure that i cant boot linux just from a partition without grubbing the MBR?
[02:14] <byteme_> ok, its up and in Konsole ign0ramus
[02:14] <chris_____> igno0ramus: hehe see? i havent:)
[02:14] <LeeJunFan> chris_____: unles you load grub on something else your BIOS will boot from like a floppy or usb device.
[02:14] <ign0ramus> chris_____: *facepalm* Just leave well enough alone already! xD
[02:15] <ign0ramus> byteme_: ' sudo grub '
[02:15] <LeeJunFan> *facepalm* :)
[02:15] <MrB0nd> LeeJunFan : Thanks , I will try that now
[02:15] <ign0ramus> byteme_: ' find /boot/grub/stage1 '
[02:15] <ign0ramus> byteme_: what does it say?
[02:15] <geek> chris_____: you could probably chainload grub from ntldr...
[02:16] <LeeJunFan> bbiab - have to pick up a kid.
[02:16] <ign0ramus> LeeJunFan: just any kid?
[02:16] <ign0ramus> :)
[02:16] <byteme_> it tells me minimal task lists are excepted
[02:16] <geek> its doable, but not common unless you used wubi or unetbootin
[02:16] <byteme_> oh, sorry I should ahve read your second task
[02:16] <chris_____> geek: hmm.. may i ask again.. is grub in the mbr or is it not?
[02:16] <ign0ramus> byteme_: it doesn't give you something like (hd0,3)?
[02:16] <byteme_> brb'
[02:16] <ign0ramus> haha
[02:17] <geek> chris_____: i think it is, but it dosen't have to be
[02:17] <chris_____> *sigh*
[02:17] <chris_____> i better read up on that tomorrow:))
[02:17] <ign0ramus> chris_____: chris, i will honestly tell you what you're trying to do is beyond me, although it probably is possible
[02:17] <geek> chris_____: you can choose not to install grub in the mbr, which is better in some cases
[02:18] <byteme_> file not found
[02:18] <ign0ramus> byteme_: hmm... hang on
[02:18] <byteme_> hanging...
[02:18] <chris_____> geek: maybe i should try that.. thats exactly what i was hoping i could do btw
[02:19] <ign0ramus> byteme_: you typed (or pasted) exactly? 'find /boot/grub/stage1' ?
[02:19] <ign0ramus> byteme_: just making sure.
[02:19] <byteme_> I'll try again
[02:20] <byteme_> space between find and /  ?
[02:20] <ign0ramus> byteme_: yes.  you can c&p to be sure
[02:20] <chris_____> all my OSes have their own choice of other OSes now... its like a maze:)
[02:20] <ign0ramus> shift+insert pastes in terminal
[02:20] <byteme_> I would, but its on another pc
[02:20] <byteme_> :o)
[02:20] <ign0ramus> byteme_: oh yeah
[02:21]  * ign0ramus puts on robe and dunce cap
[02:22] <MrB0nd> !help
[02:22] <byteme_> hd0, 4
[02:22] <ign0ramus> byteme_: there we go!
[02:22] <ign0ramus> byteme_: 'root (hd0,4)'  *space between root and (
[02:23] <byteme_> k
[02:24] <byteme_> ok, it took me to the promt with no result
[02:24] <ign0ramus> byteme_: 'setup (hd0)' *space after 'setup'
[02:25] <byteme_> "suceeded"
[02:25] <ign0ramus> byteme_: then 'quit'... and reboot to your HDD (take out disc)
[02:25] <byteme_> k
[02:25] <ign0ramus> byteme_: then *pray*
[02:25] <ign0ramus> :)
[02:26] <byteme_> lol, I never stopped
[02:26] <ign0ramus> haha
[02:27] <ign0ramus> byteme_: what we've done is (re)installed grub to your master partition.  hopefully everything will work properly now
[02:28] <byteme_> lol, well before I was getting an "error 19"
[02:28] <ign0ramus> error 8?
[02:28] <byteme_> now its an 18
[02:28] <ign0ramus> byteme_: :(
[02:28] <byteme_> so... I guess that progress  ?
[02:28] <ign0ramus> byteme_: lemme see what else we can do
[02:28] <byteme_> 1 closer to o
[02:28] <ign0ramus> byteme_: yeah... we'll just keep going down until there is no error!
[02:29] <byteme_> lol, can I make you a cup of coffee?
[02:29] <Glady> lol
[02:29] <Glady> bite me
[02:29] <Glady> i just got it
[02:29] <byteme_> whats a good digital brew?
[02:30] <byteme_> Glady: thats the name of my computer store  :o)
[02:30] <Glady> oh
[02:30] <Glady> u seel computers?
[02:30] <Glady> sell
[02:30] <Glady> sorry
[02:31] <Glady> exhausted here
[02:31] <Glady> what a day i had
[02:31] <byteme_> sell/repair (with the help of ignoramous) modding, you name it
[02:31] <ign0ramus> byteme_: can you get into that computer's BIOS?
[02:31] <chris_____> are you hiring gifted overclockers?:)
[02:31] <byteme_> yup
[02:32] <byteme_> chris_____: hehe
[02:32] <Glady> lol
[02:32] <ign0ramus> byteme_: Error 18 - selected cylinder exceeds the maximum cylinder value supported by the bios.
[02:32] <ign0ramus> byteme_: we'll see what settings you have applied in the BIOS
[02:33] <byteme_> ok there
[02:33] <Glady> rofl
[02:33] <byteme_> cylndrs 1024
[02:34] <byteme_> is that what you mean?
[02:34] <ign0ramus> byteme_: no
[02:34] <ign0ramus> :)
[02:34] <byteme_> lol
[02:34] <ign0ramus> byteme_: are you in bios?
[02:34] <byteme_> yes
[02:34] <ign0ramus> byteme_: ok, are there any HDD settings you can change (like LBA > Auto, etc)?
[02:35] <chris_____> guys you have to mess with bios settings?:)
[02:36] <Glady> I think they are tired
[02:36] <Glady> cylinders are in cars not in the bios
[02:36] <chris_____> lol
[02:36] <byteme_> auto yes
[02:36] <ign0ramus> chris_____: the dreaded Grub Error 18
[02:36] <ign0ramus> byteme_: was it set to auto?
[02:36] <ign0ramus> byteme_: whatever it was, change it
[02:37] <byteme_> lba no
[02:37] <byteme_> ok
[02:37] <ign0ramus> byteme_: save changes and reboot
[02:37] <ign0ramus> and keep praying
[02:38] <byteme_> it just has 'type of drive'   ---> "auto, user defined, none, cdrom, stuff like that."
[02:39] <christopher> hola
[02:39] <ign0ramus> byteme_: it was on 'auto'?
[02:39] <christopher> alguien que escriba español
[02:39] <christopher> o algo parecido
[02:39] <ign0ramus> !es | christopher
[02:40] <byteme_> just the specs of the drive (cyl,headers, sectors and such
[02:40] <ign0ramus> byteme_: damn
[02:40] <byteme_> if I user define it, I dont think it would change anything casue the values would have to be the same
[02:41] <kiba> hi
[02:41] <kiba> I want to reformat my partition
[02:41] <kiba> I mean resize my partition
[02:41] <kiba> what is the recommended way to do this?
[02:41] <ign0ramus> byteme_: try the 'none' option... it may be for slave
[02:41] <byteme_> you know? But hey I've been an idiot my whole life I could be one even now!
[02:41] <byteme_> ok
[02:41] <ign0ramus> kiba: use qtparted or gparted or the livecd
[02:41] <ign0ramus> !qtparted
[02:42] <dr_willis> kiba,  live cd  that has gparted, is the normal way.. Unless you are using vista and want to resize a vista partition
[02:42] <ign0ramus> hey dr_willis
[02:42] <byteme_> ok did that and drive specs when to spec heaven.
[02:42] <byteme_> want me to reboot?
[02:42] <ign0ramus> byteme_: can't be worse than what we have now... see what it does
[02:42] <byteme_> lol true
[02:43] <byteme_> brb
[02:43] <dr_willis> Ive not had to tell the bios the drive specs.. in years...   is this a really old systemn or somtning?
[02:43] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: any experience with Grub Error 18?
[02:43] <LeeJunFan> ign0ramus: is it 18 now or still 19?
[02:43] <byteme_> bummer I no longer have a hard drive
[02:43] <dr_willis> ign0ramus,  not really. Id have to go to the grub homepage and read what it means.. :)
[02:43] <LeeJunFan> or was that the other guy?
[02:43] <ign0ramus> LeeJunFan: we're down to 18 now ;)
[02:43] <LeeJunFan> I'm confused.
[02:43] <ign0ramus> LeeJunFan: everyone is having grub issues tonight
[02:44] <LeeJunFan> ign0ramus: yay, only 17 more to go after that - lol
[02:44] <Glady> omg
[02:44] <Glady> teens room
[02:44] <byteme_> hehe we are making progress
[02:44] <ign0ramus> LeeJunFan: i got his grub reinstalled, but now he gets Error 18 - selected cylinder exceeds the maximum cylinder value supported by the bios.
[02:44] <byteme_> kinda like congress
[02:44] <ign0ramus> byteme_: is this a really old computer?  what kind is it?
[02:44] <byteme_> especially now
[02:44] <dr_willis> Error 18 : Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS
[02:45] <kiba> odd
[02:45] <byteme_> this is a HP P4
[02:45] <kiba> why my cd drive won't pop out the CD?
[02:45] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: yeah, but we're trying to figure out how get grub and BIOS to play nicely
[02:45] <dr_willis> kiba,  its being accessed/used you got a filemanager in there..
[02:45] <LeeJunFan> byteme_: did you put a new hd in it?
[02:45] <dr_willis> ign0ramus,  i was thinking there was the LBA option.
[02:45] <byteme_> yes
[02:45] <LeeJunFan> byteme_: what size?
[02:46] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: that's what i asked him... he said that wasn't a bios option
[02:46] <dr_willis> ign0ramus,  or theres the old 'make a /boot' partition on the start of the HD option
[02:46] <byteme_> (maybe should have told you that)  my bad
[02:46] <kiba> hmm
[02:46] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: yeah, we'll try that last
[02:46] <kiba> I don't think I have dolphin running
[02:46] <byteme_> I'll look
[02:46] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: can you do that without a full reinstall?
[02:46] <dr_willis> ign0ramus,  proberly could - if you know what you are doing
[02:47] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: then forget it.  xD
[02:47] <dr_willis> resize the hd from gparted live cd.. and so on..
[02:47] <dr_willis> BUT it seems odd that grub is having an issue.. if the live cd's see it fine
[02:47] <byteme_> oh yeah, there 'WAS' that option before I installed the new hard drive
[02:48] <ign0ramus> byteme_: was this a new (completely formatted) hard drive?
[02:48] <byteme_> yes
[02:48] <dr_willis> How big is this HD?
[02:48] <byteme_> low level
[02:48] <byteme_> 250
[02:48] <dr_willis> 250mb or gb?
[02:49] <dr_willis> You did a lowlevel format?
[02:49] <ign0ramus> byteme_: i forget, do you have windows installed on this drive?
[02:49] <byteme_> split ---- 122 for XP and 123 for Linux
[02:49] <byteme_> yes, it was the first install made
[02:49] <byteme_> on the drive
[02:49] <ign0ramus> byteme_: so you never got Kubuntu working at all on this drive?
[02:50] <ign0ramus> byteme_: you may find it quicker to re-install than messing with all this
[02:50] <byteme_> no, I get the "19" error after the first restart after install
[02:50] <dr_willis> but sometimes grub can get confused if you have a USB pen drive in when you boot up.
[02:51] <ign0ramus> byteme_: Hardy disc?
[02:52] <ign0ramus> byteme_: if you do a reinstall, try putting your /boot partition first
[02:52] <dr_willis> Hmm.. error 18 and error 19 are radically different errors... :)
[02:52] <byteme_> no usb drives
[02:52] <byteme_> Hardy?
[02:52] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: he had Error 19... We reinstalled GRUB from LiveCD, and now he gets Error 18
[02:52] <kiba> I been on hardy hardon
[02:52] <kiba> before it become stable...
[02:53] <ign0ramus> byteme_: what version of Kubuntu are you using (8.04)?
[02:53] <kiba> now what...
[02:53] <byteme_> oh sorry.. yeah it's8.04
[02:54] <dr_willis> ign0ramus,  looking at the grub manuals they mention a    [--force-lba]    option
[02:54] <ign0ramus> byteme_: listen to dr_willis- he's much more well-versed in these matters than i am
[02:54] <byteme_> seems the lba mode should be in bios but I cant see it
[02:54] <byteme_> or find it rather
[02:54] <dr_willis> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Booting-fallback-systems  section 13.3.18 install
[02:55] <dr_willis> I cant rember the last time i had to mess with  drives in the bios other then use the 'auto' setting
[02:55] <byteme_> but how can I use this fallback option if this is a fresh install?
[02:56] <dr_willis> reinstall grub and give it the  --force-lba option..
[02:56] <dr_willis> assuming that IS the real issue..
[02:56] <ign0ramus> byteme_: can you change HDD settings to 'normal' in BIOS?
[02:56] <ign0ramus> i'm looking here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=11764
[02:56] <LeeJunFan> byteme_: it's probably auto, I have a crappy sony laptop that auto detects LBA supposedly, but an 80G drive that works fine on another laptop only shows up as 40 in that one :(
[02:56] <byteme_> I'll check
[02:56] <setyalinux> hy
[02:56] <dr_willis> I would set the hd settings back to 'auto' in the bios.. and perhaps try the --force-lba option
[02:58] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: others with the Error 18 issued reported LBA as the culprit.... :/
[02:58] <byteme_> yes, sweet, I found the LBA mode area. Dumbest place to put it
[02:58] <byteme_> ok it is on LBA mode
[02:58] <ign0ramus> byteme_: most people said setting it to 'normal' fixed the issue
[02:58] <byteme_> we need normal?
[02:58] <ign0ramus> byteme_: try all possible ways
[02:59] <byteme_> great ok
[02:59] <byteme_> rebooting
[02:59] <byteme_> :o(   "18" gain
[02:59] <byteme_> I'll try anopther one
[02:59] <ign0ramus> byteme_: why not? :)
[03:00] <ign0ramus> byteme_: first, set everything back to 'default'... then just change HDD settings, one at a time
[03:00] <byteme_> match partition table? I have never used that option before
[03:01] <ign0ramus> byteme_: no idea
[03:01] <byteme_> is that kosher?
[03:01] <ign0ramus> byteme_: is that what it asks you when you set to default?
[03:01] <byteme_> oh, I'll check (I havcent tried that yet)
[03:02] <byteme_> what about ultra DMA mode?
[03:02] <kralph> i have added a physical drive to my hardy machine with a win OS on it. is there a simple way to configure grub to duel boot with it? running kde 4 w/ kgrubeditor
[03:02] <byteme_> its on 5 ?/
[03:02] <ign0ramus> byteme_: just out of curiosity, how do you have your jumpers set?
[03:03] <ign0ramus> byteme_: if its the only drive, make sure its not set to Slave
[03:03] <byteme_> default is auto
[03:03] <dr_willis> kralph,  I would manually edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst to boot it. :) its not that hard to learn   the grub config syntax. and theres an example entry  in the comments for a windows isntall on 'hda1' you wouldjust uncomment the lines. and change  hda, to be the right hard drive
[03:04] <byteme_> its on CS (cable selct)
[03:04] <ign0ramus> byteme_: that's ok
[03:04] <byteme_> like a lone drive should
[03:04] <dr_willis> Ive neer used any grub  fancy grub config tools
[03:05] <byteme_> I have only had two errors in linux durring boot up in the year I have been playing with it
[03:05] <kralph> the grub editor is pretty confusing. sounds like you suggestion is a good one, dr what you talkin bout willis
[03:05] <byteme_> this is one of them
[03:05] <kralph> :)
[03:05] <ign0ramus> byteme_: does your BIOS correctly show the size of the disk?
[03:06] <byteme_> I ahve installed in close to 100+ machines
[03:06] <dr_willis> kralph,  talking about Kicking Up grub - OLD skool style! with a Text editor and some  Learning! :P
[03:06] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: that's what i like to hear!
[03:06] <kralph> brb dr willis will let you know how it goes
[03:07] <nejode> byteme: you can get a grub error 18 if your grub configfiles and kernels are over the 137 mb line
[03:07] <byteme_> oddly it doesnt say, however it does tell me the model number and that is correct
[03:08] <byteme_> (it has 250 in the model #)
[03:08] <byteme_> (max. LBA capacity is 8455
[03:10] <ign0ramus> byteme_: i just read that someone with a WD HDD changed it from Cable Select to Master and got rid of the Error 18... but that doesn't seem to make much sense
[03:10] <byteme_> ok I switched the LBA to normal and rebooteda nd now grub is freaking out
[03:10] <ign0ramus> byteme_: freaking out?
[03:10] <LeeJunFan> byteme_: you might try updating the BIOS in that machine too.
[03:10] <ign0ramus> LeeJunFan: definitely
[03:10] <dr_willis> Some hd/bios ,may not do CS correctly i guess. :)
[03:11] <byteme_> yeah GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB
[03:11] <LeeJunFan> with LBA off I bet grub can't even see it.
[03:11] <byteme_> like that all over the screen
[03:11] <ign0ramus> byteme_: sorry, but that's actually pretty funny (to me, anyway)
[03:12] <LeeJunFan> hrm, I wonder if re-installing grub now that lba is off would make any diff. Because disabling lba would change the address the bios would get to the kernel on.
[03:12] <byteme_> wd dont like the jumper on master if its alone, in my experience
[03:12] <ign0ramus> byteme_: well, there's still a bunch of stuff - updating BIOS, moving /root to beginning of drive, changing to Master drive, reinstalling entirely under 'normal' or 'LBA'....
[03:12] <LeeJunFan> I never have good luck with CS, I always set mine to master.
[03:13] <byteme_> hmm, odd
[03:13] <ign0ramus> fwiw, i always do Master myself when only one HDD
[03:13] <ign0ramus> it shouldn't matter, but i've never had problems that way, so that's how i always do it
[03:13] <byteme_> well, lets just gang up on the newbie here shall we???!!
[03:13] <nejode> byteme: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3081671.msg109864#msg109864
[03:14] <ign0ramus> byteme_: no, CS should be fine... but at this point, anything's viable
[03:14] <byteme_> lol, I'll switch it to master and see what happends
[03:14] <ign0ramus> i don't think byteme_ is on the web
[03:14] <byteme_> tru-dat
[03:14] <ign0ramus> byteme_: why not, may i ask?
[03:14] <LeeJunFan> byteme_: http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/bios/over.htm
[03:14] <byteme_> what do you mean?
[03:15] <byteme_> www.bytemecomputers.net        <---- and dont laugh. its by far not done
[03:15] <byteme_> is that what you mean?
[03:16] <LeeJunFan> wow, that page recommends 500M for /boot - lol. A bit overkill.
[03:16] <kralph> okie then dr_willis - ive found the sample entry in menu.lst and not sure to what to put insead of (hd0,0). when i look at the HD properties in dolphin it calls the disk 'sda1'. is that appropriate?
[03:16] <ign0ramus> byteme_: didn't you say you couldn't follow links cause you weren't on the web?
[03:17] <byteme_> lol, the PC i'm working on isnt
[03:17] <ign0ramus> byteme_: your site reminds me of *Anus* laptops! http://anuslaptops.com/
[03:17] <ign0ramus> byteme_: that's not an insult- the site is legendary!
[03:18] <LeeJunFan> your dog is excreting green stuff and gassy clouds :)
[03:18] <byteme_> but I lol is that for real?
[03:18] <byteme_> holy cow
[03:18] <ign0ramus> byteme_: i was a 'honeypot' site for scambaiters - the guys who bait the Nigerian scammers and such
[03:18] <ign0ramus> *it was
[03:18] <byteme_> I thought I was bold
[03:19] <ign0ramus> byteme_: basically, people were solicited by scammers, so they set up a fake site, and got these Nigerian scammers to do the craziest stuff (including paying duties on what they thought was a bunch of laptops)
[03:19] <LeeJunFan> lol - I love the motto under the business name :)
[03:19] <ign0ramus> -they sent boxes of garbage instead :P
[03:20] <byteme_> lol
[03:20] <byteme_> thats sweet
[03:21] <ign0ramus> It's the best story I ever read online. I know its off-topic, but I'm leaving soon, and thought i'd share: http://www.thescambaiter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109
[03:23] <dr_willis> kralph,  grub TOTALLY 'names' disks differently then  linux does. Note the hd0,0 format its using.
[03:23] <ign0ramus> ok gotta run guys - Beers and Scotch awaits.
[03:23] <ign0ramus> gnite all
[03:23] <dr_willis> kralph,  sda1 Might be hd0,0
[03:23] <kralph> thats kunfusing...
[03:23] <byteme_> wow,  lol
[03:23] <dr_willis> kralph,  no its not..
[03:24] <byteme_> thanks igno
[03:24] <dr_willis> grub does not use the linxu names. because grub isent just for linux. :)
[03:24] <dr_willis> rember that grub starts counting at 0 also.. is a big sgumbling point.
[03:24] <dr_willis> Most likely sda1 will be hd0,0
[03:26] <byteme_> booting on master now   crossing fingers
[03:26] <kralph> hrm,,, root for the ubuntu disk is called hd0,0 so that does not seem likely?
[03:27] <dr_willis> kralph,   as i said. it can depend.   theres also some  /boot/grub/   file (device.map?) that shows what grub things various drives are named
[03:28] <byteme_> "prim. master fails"
[03:28] <dr_willis> look at fdisk -l, and see what other drives exist. if you have ide+Sata system. sda1 may very well not be hd0,0
[03:31] <LeeJunFan> byteme_: I'd reset the bios to defaults, see if you can find an update for the BIOS and upgrade that, if that doesn't work re-install with the /boot partition first on the hd, 100M should be more than enough
[03:32] <kralph> fdisk -l isnt returning anything
[03:32] <dr_willis> kralph,  'system type commands normally always require the use of 'sudo''
[03:32] <dr_willis> sudo fdisk -l
[03:32] <LeeJunFan> byteme_: when the BIOS auto detects the HD either in the setup or during boto make sure it's reporting the right size too.
[03:33] <dr_willis> and thats a - l as in 'lamma' :)
[03:33] <kralph> yes, that helps :)
[03:33] <dr_willis> well -l as in List :)
[03:33] <dr_willis> yea.. peopel get so strung out about when to use sudo or not.. ive had to teach  my 'students' at work that basic idea.
[03:34] <dr_willis> 'things that mess with the whole system' = need sudo. :)
[03:34] <LeeJunFan> byteme_: thing is that the operating systems themselves don't use the BIOS to access the hd, they have their own drivers which can address larger address space, grub can't. So if the bios doens't allow access into the range where the kernel is stored grub can't load it.
[03:34] <kralph> ya, im pretty newb on cmd line, but i do know about flags
[03:34] <dr_willis> Unlike windows vista and its silly UAE stuff.. that pops up a dialog every time you even look at somthing.. :P
[03:35] <LeeJunFan> dr_willis: I thought that was for senile people, it was just a friendly reminder what they just asked their system to do - in case they forgot what they clicked on.
[03:36] <byteme_> ok gotcha
[03:36] <dr_willis> LeeJunFan,   guy at work brought in a new vista laptop.. so first thing i did was give him a pad of paper and tole him to keep track of how many times that UAC thing poped up in  his normal ussage... he gave up after about 200 times befor he even had the thing configured/his needed tools installed. :)
[03:36] <kralph> fdisk is calling that hd /dev/sda1 and shows it as a boot disk
[03:36] <dr_willis> THEN i showed him how to disable it.
[03:37] <dr_willis> what drive is the linux installed on then kralph ?
[03:37] <o0Chris0o> dr_willis, one of the first thigns I did when I got windows vista a year ago
[03:37] <LeeJunFan> of course linux can be too accomodating, if you accidentally mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1 and just as you hit enter you remember that's your 500GB hd, not the flash drive - oops. too late.
[03:37] <kralph> its calling it dev/sdc1
[03:38] <dr_willis> sdc1 'should' be  hd2,0
[03:38] <dr_willis> you could just uncomment the entrys and at the grub menu, se eif they work.. and if not change the hd0,0 to be some other #'s :)
[03:39] <kralph> im a little worried that grub will hang and ill be stuck real good
[03:39] <dr_willis> or use the grub command line shell  to  list the hard drives
[03:39] <dr_willis> kralph,  it pays to learn how to use grub.
[03:39] <dr_willis> it rarely gets stuck. :) backup your menu.lst beofr changeing it.. and you can always boot a live cd, and restore it
[03:39] <kralph> ah...
[03:40] <dr_willis> If you know grub good enough. You can  make a system boot without a menu even. ;)
[03:40] <kralph> i like that
[03:40] <dr_willis> !fixgrub
[03:40] <dr_willis> those url's are a good start to read.. and the grub manuals at the grub homepage.
[03:40] <chris_____> hrhr it is grub day isnt it:)
[03:40] <dr_willis>  I will learn English
[03:40] <dr_willis> oops
[03:40] <dr_willis> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/
[03:40] <kralph> LOL
[03:41] <kralph> your english seems pretty good, man
[03:41] <kralph> you even capitilize English
[03:41] <kralph> wowo
[03:41] <chris_____> it's capitAlize
[03:41] <chris_____> :)
[03:42] <dr_willis> Grub docs --> part  2 Naming convention
[03:42] <kralph> okie then, dr_willis ima try my new menu.lst and see what happends. ty for your help
[03:42] <dr_willis> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Naming-convention
[03:42] <kralph> ur a gentleman and a scholar
[03:43] <dr_willis> start up a grub 'shell' with grub and ...
[03:43] <dr_willis> . This means that, for example, you only need to type
[03:43] <dr_willis>      root (
[03:43] <dr_willis> followed by a <TAB>, and GRUB will display the list of drives, partitions, or file names.
[03:43] <dr_willis> - Which is to say   - that grub has file name completion. :)
[03:44] <kralph> clever prog, that grub
[03:45] <dr_willis> Its almost its own Little OS :P
[03:45] <dr_willis> And if you never had to fight with the limits of LILO.. you dont realize how GOOD grub is. :)
[03:46] <o0Chris0o> all I know what it does is it boots my machine, and it works
[03:46] <o0Chris0o> :D
[03:46] <kralph> i used lilo to duel boot win 98 and redhat... about 10 yrs ago
[03:47]  * o0Chris0o runs and hides
[03:47] <kralph> heres a silly question - what is the sudo cmd?
[03:47] <o0Chris0o> super user admin
[03:47] <dr_willis> !sudo
[03:48] <kralph> lol
[03:48] <kralph> ubottu is your bot friend, i take it
[03:48] <dr_willis> theres more to 'sudo' also., then 'the command you run to do rooty things'
[03:48] <o0Chris0o> !ubottu
[03:49] <dr_willis> !love
[03:49] <o0Chris0o> o.0
[03:49] <dr_willis> wow - every time i read http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html   - i learn somthing new
[03:49] <kralph> im stuck in grub. cant get the drives list
[03:50] <dr_willis> you see the grub> prompt ?
[03:50] <kralph> y
[03:50] <dr_willis> root (hd  <TABKEY>
[03:51] <dr_willis> or root(<tabkey>
[03:51] <dr_willis> I think i got a extra space in my first example
[03:51] <dr_willis> extra spaces are bad. :) dont do extra spaces
[03:52] <dr_willis> grub> find /boot/grub/stage1
[03:52] <dr_willis>            
[03:52] <dr_willis> will tell what drive it finds the grub boot files on also. :) in case you ever need to know.
[03:53] <kralph> find /boot/grub/stage1 gives me (hd2,0)
[03:53] <dr_willis> looks like your linux install is on hd2 then.
[03:53] <kralph> ic
[03:54] <dr_willis> the menu.lst file most likely shows this as well.
[03:54] <dr_willis> so windows is most likely hd0,0  or hd1,0  or hd3,0
[03:55] <kralph> hrm, menu.lst is showing (hd0,0)
[03:55] <dr_willis> You can easially'edit' the grub menus at bootup time (hit e to edit) and change hd0,0 to hd1,0 if 0,0 dosent work.
[03:55] <kralph> that is confusing
[03:55] <kralph> okie. im ready to try it. thanks again dr_willis
[03:55] <dr_willis> couldbe the bios is set to boot that hd first..  Ive seen some bios 'switch' drives around
[03:56] <dr_willis> ie: whatever sata disk it boots.. becomes hd0,0
[03:56] <dr_willis> which confused me on one machine.. for part of a day. :)
[03:57] <dr_willis> If windows and linux are each on theor own hard drives.. you could use the bios to boot a specific hd. :)
[03:57] <dr_willis> my current machine lets me hit F11 at boot. and pick what HD to boot. I dont even need a windows entry in the grub menus
[03:57] <dr_willis> and i dont need grub on the windows drives mbr.
[03:57] <dr_willis> Well Good luck. Its bed time for me.
[04:25] <mr---t-> hey _2
[04:25] <_2>  
[04:27] <o0Chris0o> when I open a new tab in firefox 3.0 how do I make it go to my homepage instead of an empty window
[04:32] <Ashex> anyone have tips for getting kubuntu to take advantage of extra ram?
[04:32] <mn_> o0chris0o
[04:32] <mr---t-> don't know if you can automatically, just open the tab and click your home icon
[04:33] <mn_> o0chris0o: You go to edit > settings > and uncheck blank page and check use homepage and type in your home page
[04:33] <o0Chris0o> yeahty
[04:35] <mn_> o0chris0o: did you do it?
[04:36] <o0Chris0o> yeah...but its already selected
[04:36] <o0Chris0o> don't have the option to open homepage in new tab
[04:36] <mn_> oh, no
[04:37] <o0Chris0o> very odd
[04:37] <mn_> So you want a blank page and your home page on start up?
[04:38] <o0Chris0o> no, I want to be able to open a new tab and have it load the homepage a new tab is opened
[04:38] <mn_> oh, hrmm.  let me look
[04:39] <o0Chris0o> k
[04:39] <mn_> hmm, idk but Ill look for something
[04:40] <o0Chris0o> ok
[04:40] <mr---t-> like i said it's going to take two clicks
[04:40] <mn_> mr---t- is probably right
[04:41] <o0Chris0o> very very simple feature..go figure
[04:41] <o0Chris0o> why would it be different in 3.0 then 2.0, in 2.0 you were able too
[04:42] <mr---t-> maybe ask in #firefox
[04:42] <mr---t-> they might know better than I
[04:43] <o0Chris0o> ty
[04:46] <o0Chris0o> err how do I open another server window in konversation
[04:47] <geek> use quick connect
[04:48] <geek> its under 'file'
[04:49] <Dragnslcr> o0Chris0o- Tab Mix Plus has the option to open your home page in new tabs
[04:53] <mr---t-> cool add on
[05:43] <mn_> I just downloaded MenuetOS and want to make a disk of it and I have the .img but what do I do with it?
[05:44] <favro> mn_: you'll need to convert that to iso afaik
[05:45] <mn_> how?
[05:45] <drhe|skt> is there anyway to change the dot pitch? something seems different with this display compared to windows.
[05:45] <drhe|skt> like there is pixel blending going on everywhere.
[05:46] <drhe|skt> i want to be able to see the pixels that make up charactor.
[05:46] <drhe|skt> not blended pixels.
[05:50] <favro> mn_: http://www.mopedia.co.uk/2008/02/convert-img-to-iso-in-ubuntu.html
[05:51] <favro> drhe|skt: see if this helps
[05:52] <favro> !fixres | drhe|skt
[05:55] <mn_> favro: it's saying error
[05:56] <favro> mn_: ok I'll bite - what prog and what command gives the error?
[05:56] <favro> ccd2iso?
[05:57] <mn_> yes
[05:57] <mn_> Error:  Cannot open source file for reading
[05:57] <favro> and what command did you use?
[05:57] <mn_> sudo ccd2iso file.img file.iso
[05:58] <surgy> does kubuntu 8.04.1 support sli via nvidia cards? and does it support multi monitors?
[05:58] <favro> mn_: mn_ is the file in your home folder?
[05:58] <mn_> desktop
[05:58] <mn_> that's a problem then?
[05:58] <favro> mn_: try it without sudo
[05:59] <favro> mn_: where it is is ok
[05:59] <mn_> same thing happens
[06:00] <favro> mn_: I don't know how to check a img file - are there md5 checksums on the site the img came from?
[06:01] <mn_> i don't know.  site: http://sourceforge.net/project/downloading.php?groupname=menuet&filename=M32-085.ZIP&use_mirror=superb-east
[06:01] <favro> mn_: having a quick google
[06:01] <mn_> k
[06:04] <emilsedgh> could someone paste /etc/init.d/kdm file for me ?
[06:05] <favro> mn_: when you open konsole type   cd ./Desktop   then try it
[06:06] <Nix3r>  how to show ''downloaded' tab in ktorrent?
[06:07] <mn_> Unrecognized sector mode (0) at sector 0!
[06:07] <surgy> does kubuntu 8.04.1 support sli via nvidia cards? and does it support multi monitors?
[06:08] <favro> mn_: so it found it then
[06:10] <mn_> so what now?
[06:11] <favro> mn_: mn_ I no nothing about that app - sounds like it isn't in good shape - you need to find how to check it
[06:11] <favro> and that link was for a zip file
[06:11] <mn_> yes, I unpacked it and it contained a .img
[06:12] <favro> mn_: mn_ I no nothing about that app - sounds like it isn't in good shape - you need to find how to check it
[06:12] <Nix3r> how to show '' downloaded'' tab in ktorrent ?
[06:21] <mr---t-> good nite all
[06:26] <mixed1234> which file you have to edit to enable the scroll wheel on your mousie??
[06:29] <CoJaBo-Eee> Is there a way to set the default icon for a file type?
[06:30] <Darkrift2> yes, but im not sure how
[06:32] <CoJaBo-Eee> mixed1234: Theres a control panel in system settings under keyboard & mouse
[06:36] <Nix3r> how to show '' downloaded'' tab in ktorrent ? the tab that shows all the downloaded things.
[06:46] <surgy> im having problems compiling a program can someone help me? this is my output http://pastebin.com/m41871d24
[06:47] <Darkrift2> surgy, might get more help in #linux since its probably not kubuntu related and that channel is bigger
[06:47] <Darkrift2> but
[06:47] <surgy> ok thank you
[06:47] <Darkrift2> i think i know your problem
[06:47] <surgy> ?
[06:47] <Darkrift2> you need to install build-essentials (i think thats the name)
[06:47] <Darkrift2> to make your c compile able to make binaries
[06:49] <surgy> ! build-essentials
[06:49] <Darkrift2> also make sure yo have libc6-dev-i386 installed, that seems to cause that error sometimes
[06:50] <Darkrift2> that is if you arent on a 64b os
[06:50] <surgy> im running 64 bit version and when i sudo apt-cache search build-essentials it doesnt show any results
[06:50] <favro> it's build-essential
[06:50] <favro> no s on the end
[06:51] <Darkrift2> k
[06:51] <favro> !info build-essential
[06:51] <surgy> thank you
[06:51] <Darkrift2> erm, i dont think you can compile wine on 64b
[06:51] <favro> !info build-essentials
[06:51] <Darkrift2> wine is 32b
[06:52] <surgy> well im getting the same error
[06:53] <surgy> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[06:53] <Darkrift2> do which make
[06:53] <Darkrift2> and which gcc
[06:53] <Darkrift2> make sure both are installed
[06:54] <surgy> both are there
[06:54] <Darkrift2> i still think its the 64b thing
[06:54] <Darkrift2> someone told me once that if i chose 64b i couldnt use wine because it wouldnt compile
[06:55] <Darkrift2> and i see stuff on google about your error and 64b wine
[06:56] <surgy> sudo apt-get build-dep wine :)
[06:58] <surgy> seams to be installing 225mb of deps
[06:59] <Darkrift2> lol
[07:01] <surgy> that could be the problem right? lol
[07:06] <surgy> checking for -lfreetype... not found
[07:06] <surgy> i tryed sudo apt-get install libfreetyp6-dev and it says i have the newest version...
[07:15] <surgy> can someone help me plz?
[07:16] <CoJaBo-Eee> Anyone happen to know how to change the default icon for a file type in KDE 4.1?
[07:34] <deamoon> hi ppl
[07:34] <deamoon> how can i delete program?
[07:34] <deamoon> i got firestarter
[07:35] <GWillakers> sudo apt-get remove firestarter
[07:36] <deamoon> ty
[07:36] <GWillakers> np
[07:37] <ForgeAus> if you want to remove the configuration for it too, you use sudo apt-get purge firestarter
[07:37] <deamoon> ok
[07:38] <deamoon> ty
[07:43] <deamoon> how to check program location?
[07:43] <deamoon> command wereis or something
[07:43] <deamoon> ?
[07:43] <GWillakers> which program_name
[07:44] <deamoon> amule
[07:44] <GWillakers> which amule
[07:44] <deamoon> i dont know where it saves files
[07:44] <deamoon> :D
[07:44] <GWillakers> probably /home/your_login/.amule/something/something
[07:45] <deamoon> ye
[07:45] <deamoon> i found it
[07:45] <deamoon> ty
[07:45] <GWillakers> np
[07:54] <jkuboschek> can anybody help me in figuring out my VLC problem? it starts playing the movie and immediately closes
[07:55] <favro> that's normally a codec thing mostly - what's the file type?
[07:56] <jkuboschek> favro: avi. its a divx codec i believe
[07:56] <jkuboschek> favro: thing is, kaffeine plays some of the movies just fine
[07:56] <favro> that should be ok - I use vlc for that
[07:57] <surgy> is there a 32 bit compatibility package i can get?
[07:57] <jkuboschek> favro: yeah...i've got some output of error messages though. one sec
[07:57] <favro> yeh I have vlc, xine and mplayer so I can play all of my movies
[07:57] <favro> k
[07:58] <jkuboschek> favro: have a look at this http://pastebin.com/d6623044e
[07:58] <favro> surgy: I don't think so - most stay away from the 64bit os 'cause of program incomp[atibility
[07:59] <favro> jkuboschek: insufficient resources for operation makes me wonder about the memory available
[08:00] <surgy> !kubuntu usb
[08:00] <surgy> how do i install kubuntu on a usb disk again?
[08:00] <favro> !usb
[08:03] <CoJaBo-Eee> Is it possible to change the default icon for a file type in KDE 4.1?
[08:05] <favro> CoJaBo: you'll have to ask in #kubuntu-kde4 for that
[08:05] <favro> !kde4
[08:14] <surgy> ok
[08:15] <surgy> so unetbootin is supposed to be an executable file..... i downloaded it and tried to execute it using the ./ but nothing.....
[08:16] <surgy> duh chmod... i feal stupid
[08:16] <Darkrift2> make sure its executable
[08:16] <Darkrift2> lol
[08:17] <Darkrift2> yeah..... i do that often
[08:17] <surgy> lol
[08:18] <emerson> hello everybody I have I just had install kubuntu but I have a problem with my sound I have but I can't put up or down, anybody else how know how to fixed please pass the information on the pastebin
[08:23] <favro> emerson: type   alsamixer   in konsole and make sure all are turned up
[08:26] <surgy> !format
[08:32] <emerson> favro: well it's but still doesn't work
[08:33] <favro> emerson: same error?
[08:34] <surgy> usb
[08:34] <surgy> !usb
[08:35] <emerson> favro: yep any quick guide in the net the all know to solve those issues.
[08:35] <emerson> favro: you know I mean.
[08:35] <favro> emerson: what's the sound card - aplay -l   in konsole will tell
[08:37] <emerson> intel one.
[08:38] <favro> emerson: which one it is is important
[08:40] <emerson> favro: 82801DB-ICHH, I have a sound but the icon for the volume do not appear and I can't play any media that't problem.
[08:41] <emerson> favro: I went to medibuntu but didn't work.
[08:42] <favro> emerson: kubuntu-restricted-extras will get you the codecs and right click the panel and select add to and add the sound mixer
[08:42] <favro> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:16] <qwerty121> hello all! can someone give me a list of packages included in kubuntu dvd?
[09:16] <_LiNuX_> i have sownload and install Downloader for X but when i put the rapidshare download links then nothing happen....Is any other program like jdownloader UsDowloader..?
[09:16] <qwerty121> _LiNuX_: rapidshare won't work
[09:17] <qwerty121> _LiNuX_: do you have a premium a/c?
[09:17] <_LiNuX_> no
[09:18] <_LiNuX_> Why you can download from rapidshare with a download manager
[09:18] <qwerty121> _LiNuX_: then it won't. RS only supports download managers of those who have premium a/c...
[09:19] <qwerty121> _LiNuX_: buy yourself one... :P
[09:19] <_LiNuX_> In my windows i have Jdownloader and everything it is ok
[09:19] <_LiNuX_> i dont meen to download all files at once
[09:20] <qwerty121> _LiNuX_: O_O is that so?
[09:20] <zenithnet1> hmm..
[09:20] <qwerty121> i mean jdownloader working with RS?
[09:20] <_LiNuX_> Yes
[09:20]  * qwerty121 googles for jdownloader
[09:21] <_LiNuX_> read their http://rapidshare.com/news.html
[09:22] <_LiNuX_> i don't believe  that no one has a download manager for linux
[09:23] <qwerty121> _LiNuX_: they definitely have but they won't support RS
[09:23] <The-Compiler> _LiNuX_: You can use jDownloader on Linux ;)
[09:25] <Nece228> so can you please release two releases - kubuntu with kde 4.1 (by default) and kubuntu with kde 3.5?
[09:25] <Nece228> just like kubuntu 8.04 had kubuntu kde4 and kubuntu
[09:26] <Nece228> because i dont wanna say goodbye to kde 3.5 - still it has much more features and its more beautiful to me
[09:26] <Nece228> :)
[09:27] <The-Compiler> qwerty121: Its a download-manager which is made for RS (and other filehosters), via scripts and even OCR to read the captchas or features like wait for happy hour
[09:27] <_LiNuX_> The-Compiler  How?
[09:28] <The-Compiler> _LiNuX_: just download it, extract it somewhere and open the .sh-File (jdownloader.sh i think)
[09:28] <_LiNuX_> ok thanks a lot
[09:28] <_LiNuX_> :)
[09:31] <qwerty121> The-Compiler: thanks. did n't know about it...
[09:32] <qwerty121> can someone give a list of packages included in kubuntu dvd?
[09:39] <djdarkman> hello, can someone tell me what this means: pkg_check_modules(GTK gtk+-2.0>=2.6) ?
[09:39] <qwerty121> none? *sigh*
[09:40] <djdarkman> I can't comple KGtk, because it says ** ERROR      : Could not locate Gtk2 headers, Gtk2 LD_PRELOAD library will not be built., but I have it installed
[09:40] <djdarkman> (It's done with cmaker)
[09:41] <favro> you need the -dev packages for GTK gtk+-2.0>=2.6
[09:42] <djdarkman> yeah favro but what's it called?
[09:43] <favro> hehe I dunno I'll have a quick search :)
[09:44] <djdarkman> libgtk2.0-dev is not the answere
[09:54] <favro> djdarkman: libgtk2.0-dev id the only one I can find...
[09:54] <favro> s/id/is/
[09:54] <Guest852> watch out for linux users
[09:55] <Guest852> they think they are God
[09:55] <Guest852> but only god is god
[09:55] <favro> !ot
[09:55] <Guest852> !priter
[09:55] <Guest852> !printer
[09:55] <Guest852> !cups
[09:55] <Guest852> !netsplit
[09:55] <jussi01> !botabuse
[09:56] <snyh> !cpus
[09:56] <snyh> >_< what's the ubottu?
[09:57] <snyh> a robot?
[09:57] <jussi01> !bo
[09:57] <jussi01> !bot
[09:57] <favro> !bot > snyh
[09:58] <snyh> uh, thanks
[09:58] <snyh> !bot > favro
[10:42] <Lupus-SLE> 'lo, I've got what's somewhat of a small annoyance... on boot udev complains it can't find the user group vboxusers - this group doesn't exist anymire because I removed vmware, how do I get udev to stop nagging me?
[10:46] <frybye> Hi - for some reason when I click on a shell script (*.sh) in Dolphin for instance it trys to start it with wine? How can I get it to just run the script??
[10:47] <favro> frybye: right click the file and select   open with
[10:47] <Lupus-SLE> frybye: Run it in konsole
[10:47] <frybye> I know how to chae the open with - but what do I select there.. it dosent need to open with anything - just "run"
[10:47] <Lupus-SLE> sh
[10:47] <Lupus-SLE> Also make sure it's chmod'd to +x
[10:47] <frybye> Lupus - shure I can do that but why need to ...
[10:47] <favro> Lupus-SLE: the kernel module for vbox is still in use it seems
[10:48] <frybye> you mean i need somehow to set open with to open with "sh" - is that an appl?
[10:48] <favro> frybye: open it with /bin/bash - you'll have to browse to it
[10:48] <favro> open with - browse - /bin/bash
[10:48] <Lupus-SLE> favro: I don't think it is, at least it isn't showing up in lsmod
[10:49] <Lupus-SLE> I'm assuming it's called vbox though... do you know what it's called?
[10:49] <frybye> hang on I will have a look...
[10:50] <favro> Lupus-SLE: I was thinking of the iso you need to install to make vbox work better - the name escapes me atm - look in /etc/modules
[10:50] <frybye> it will let me open with "known applications" "browse" is not one of them.. sorry I am a relative noob.. bit list here..
[10:51] <frybye> ok - i follow you now...
[10:51] <creamdawg> ﻿join #meat
[10:51] <Lupus-SLE> favro: No such place exists
[10:52] <frybye> thanks favro and others...
[10:52] <frybye> sorry I was a bit slow on this one...
[10:53] <favro> Lupus-SLE: /etc/module.d maybe
[10:53] <frybye> eh - how can I fix so that it remembers this openwith setting???
[10:53] <frybye> i am in kde4.1
[10:53] <Lupus-SLE> modprobe.d or modutils
[10:55] <Lupus-SLE> favro: I've blacklisted it
[10:55] <Lupus-SLE> I think
[10:55] <favro> where was it ? _ I'm on dapper atm
[10:55] <Lupus-SLE> I'll see if it works, if not I'll get the actual error message
[10:55] <favro> k
[11:05] <o0Chris0o> how would I install a srce package from kde-apps.orge?
[11:06] <o0Chris0o> its a deb file
[11:07] <favro> o0Chris0o: dpkg -i "debfile"  is the way - but it might have dependency issues
[11:07] <Lupus-SLE> Right... I've got the message
[11:08] <favro> k
[11:08] <Lupus-SLE> udevd[1322]: lookup_group: Specified group 'vboxusers' unknown
[11:08] <o0Chris0o> favro: alright, what is the name of the packge for screensavers in depository?
[11:09] <favro> Lupus-SLE: the good folk in #vbox might have a  clue on that
[11:09] <favro> !screensaver
[11:09] <favro> same here :)
[11:10] <o0Chris0o> heh
[11:10] <favro> o0Chris0o: kscreensaver
[11:11] <favro> !info kscreensaver
[11:11] <o0Chris0o> ty
[11:11] <favro> !find screensaver
[11:13] <favro> o0Chris0o: you're deb file might not have dep issues as well :)
[11:14] <Linux_Galore> I used to know how to do this but I have forgoten how, how to you set Konqueror as the default file browser
[11:14] <Linux_Galore> s/to/do/
[11:15] <favro> !gutsy
[11:15] <Linux_Galore> Im googling it and for some reason Om comming up dry
[11:15] <favro> !konqueror
[11:15] <Lupus-SLE> Linux_Galore: File associations > folders and shit > something
[11:16] <Lupus-SLE> Innode > directory
[11:16] <Lupus-SLE> Change to konqueror
[11:16] <Lupus-SLE> Bob's your uncle
[11:17] <Linux_Galore> yeah I know its under file associations but what one was it that needed to be changed ?
[11:17] <stdin> !dolphin
[11:17] <stdin> ^ Linux_Galore
[11:17] <The_ManU_212> hi i made a update with adept-manager (icon in kicker) it crashed with sig11 after installing all before getting the message that all was installed sucessfully (there is a small progress abr, it loads  often a window when there is a new kubuntu version to upgrade), there it crashed
[11:17] <The_ManU_212> is this bad?
[11:18] <The_ManU_212> how to find out if the system is ok?
[11:18] <Linux_Galore> aah thanks, that is so bloody annoying
[11:18] <Linux_Galore> god I hate dolphin
[11:18] <favro> I removed it ..
[11:19] <Fargh> linux-galore, install krusader
[11:20] <Linux_Galore> I cant stand krusader either
[11:20] <Linux_Galore> thats what happens when you use KDE from the first release to now heh
[11:20] <Fargh> what wrong with it ?
[11:20] <Linux_Galore> Fargh: its not what i want, konqueror is what I want
[11:21] <Linux_Galore> Konqueror for me is like a nice pair of well worn shoes
[11:21] <favro> The_ManU_212: in konsole run   sudo apt-get -f install   and look for errors
[11:21] <Fargh> im reverting from windows where i was familiar with total commander.  so krusader was obvious
[11:23] <The_ManU_212> favo 0 to install 0 to remove, 0 to upgrade
[11:24] <favro> The_ManU_212: seems it might be ok - as another check you could run   sudo dpkg --configure -a   and look for errors
[11:26] <The_ManU_212> favro: new prompt
[11:27] <favro> The_ManU_212: no worries then I would think :)
[11:28] <The_ManU_212> ok thx
[11:28] <favro> good luck :)
[11:33] <o0Chris0o> weird why am I being asked for a user name and password to log on to a drive on another computer in my home network?
[11:37] <ubuntu_> format
[11:37] <ubuntu_> !format
[11:38] <favro> o0Chris0o: it will be something in smb.conf
[11:38] <o0Chris0o> hmm ok
[11:39] <matt__> change user to share possibly
[11:39] <o0Chris0o> how come my music album art isn't apart of the mp3 now? its all seperate files
[11:40] <ubuntu_> i am in trouble
[11:41] <ubuntu_> installed ubuntu yesterday
[11:41] <ubuntu_> this morning i installed kubuntu from windows
[11:41] <ubuntu_> then i tryend to format it all from windows
[11:41] <ubuntu_> and now the grub file is gone and nothing starts but the live cd
[11:41] <Linux_Galore> just installed Kubuntu on a HP DV5 1054 laptop, so far everything works, webcam,bluetooth keyboard etc
[11:41] <Linux_Galore> not sure about wifi
[11:42] <ubuntu_> !gparted
[11:43] <phar0z> Suddenly all my apps have an ugly GTK look, and my Control Center (kcontrol) --> Appearance & Themes --> GTK Styles and Fonts seems to be disappeared ...
[11:43] <jussi01> !grub | ubuntu_
[11:44] <phar0z> Though I did not remove gtk-qt-engine
[11:45] <snyh> !gui
[11:49] <herve_> salut à tous
[11:52] <jussi01> !fr | Funnix
[11:52] <phar0z> !nl | Funnix
[11:53] <Jampiter> Hi
[11:53] <Jampiter> Anyone know how to add a repository to synaptic or apt-get?
[11:59] <favro> !repo > Jampiter
[12:00] <Jampiter> Great, thanks :)
[12:00] <BierSchaum> http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/2199735/
[12:01] <Tm_T> BierSchaum: no spamming
[12:02] <BierSchaum> http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/2199735/
[12:07] <_LiNuX_> hi again i give my external HDD to my friend i don't want to have access in one folder how can do that?
[12:08] <faileas> _LiNuX_: best way is to encrypt the folder somehow... either compress it with a password or pop it into a truecrypt vault i suppose?
[12:08] <faileas> permissions won't work since he can change the permissions from his system
[12:09] <_LiNuX_> ...
[12:10] <_LiNuX_> is any programm that can do that?
[12:10] <_LiNuX_> encrypt
[12:10] <faileas> truecrypt?
[12:10] <sTratovariuZ> hi guys when i watch a videoclip in streaming for example on megavideo, it's a bit flattened, my friends can watch the same clip in good quality, what can be my prob? thx
[12:11] <sTratovariuZ> i run hardy and use ff3
[12:12] <_LiNuX_> LUKS is a good program for ecryption?
[12:20] <manuel__> scusate sono nuovo 1 domanda...per la configurazione di kubuntu (del tipo plugin ecc ecc) si tiene buona la guida di ubuntu???
[12:20] <faileas> !it
[12:21] <faileas> well it looks like italian to me >_>
[12:21] <manuel__> ok thanks
[12:27] <The_ManU_212> favro it doesnt matter if i try first apt-get install -f and then dpkg --configure -a?
[12:28] <favro> The_ManU_212: packages are installed then dpkg'ed so that is the right order - like seveas said
[12:30] <favro> The_ManU_212: still having trouble?
[12:30] <The_ManU_212> favro so first apt-get install -f, then dpkg --configure -a and then apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:30] <favro> The_ManU_212: are you on hardy now?
[12:30] <favro> !upgrade
[12:31] <The_ManU_212> favro no but i wanted to proof if i was wrong because Sevaes wrote first the dpkg thing and then the apt get and so i wanted to know if it is it a problem to check if all is fine, i amde FIRST the install -f thing then dpkg
[12:31] <The_ManU_212> favro: yep
[12:32] <favro> The_ManU_212: and you want to try the alpha ubuntu called intrepid?
[12:32] <The_ManU_212> favro no
[12:33] <favro> The_ManU_212: you can run those commands in any order - there is only a diff when new things are installed - so good practice is  apt-get install -f, then dpkg --configure -a
[12:34] <favro> The_ManU_212: then why are you trying the dist-upgrade? - there's nothing to upgrade to
[12:34] <The_ManU_212> favro ok so i did and i got a new prompt (dpkg) and all values were zero in apt-get install -f, so it should be fine
[12:35] <Linux_Galore> buger!!, no Intel 5100 Wifi support in hardy and it doesnt look like Intrepid will have it either, and yes Intel have released a driver
[12:35] <ubuntu> i need a program to format my harddrive
[12:35] <ubuntu> i am on a live cd
[12:35] <ubuntu> !format
[12:35] <favro> !partition
[12:35] <dr_willis> ubuntu gparted tool can format/repartion drives.
[12:35] <The_ManU_212> favro it was only because of what Seveas said
[12:35] <favro> ubuntu: there are partitioners in the menu
[12:35] <The_ManU_212> [12:23] <Seveas> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:35] <The_ManU_212> [12:23] <Seveas> sudo apt-get -f install
[12:35] <The_ManU_212> [12:23] <Seveas> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:36] <dr_willis> ubuntu or the command line tools.. depening on EXACTLY what you are wanting to do
[12:36] <ubuntu> i already installed gpartiion but it does not open
[12:36] <The_ManU_212> and i wasnt sure with the 1. and 2. point and i also did dist-upgrade
[12:36] <favro> The_ManU_212: yep it should all be fine :)
[12:36] <The_ManU_212> but tehre was nothing to upgrade and i want to sty with hardy
[12:37] <favro> The_ManU_212: you can enjoy it now then :)
[12:37] <ubuntu> Partition Editor is not opening!!
[12:37] <ubuntu> something is wrong with my grub
[12:37] <The_ManU_212> favro ok cool thx u, love the friendly ubuntu support :)
[12:37] <ubuntu> already tried the ubuntu help files did not work
[12:37] <The_ManU_212> btw do you know about smart values?
[12:38] <favro> nope...
[12:39] <The_ManU_212> favro: do you know where i can ask its a question about some special values
[12:39] <dr_willis> ubuntu grub boot loader is one issue.. formating filesystems/repartitioning is a very different issue. You Might want to clarify exactly what the problem is.
[12:39] <ubuntu> ok here we go
[12:39] <ubuntu> i installed ubuntu yesterday from the live cd
[12:40] <ubuntu> then i tried to change it to kde but it behaved weird so i shut the pc down, restarted in windows an from there i downloaded kubuntu
[12:40] <favro> The_ManU_212: are you using a programming language?
[12:40] <ubuntu> when i had burn the cd, a message came up telling me i could install kubuntu as a program in windows so i did,
[12:40] <ubuntu> then it restarted and asked me if i wnated to start in windows or in ubuntu, i said windows
[12:40] <The_ManU_212> favro in which way? i get the values with smartmontools, the health staus itself is ok, but some special values are high, i googled but found no answer
[12:41] <ubuntu> then a new message came up asking me if i wanted to start windows or kubuntu
[12:41] <ubuntu> i took windows again
[12:41] <favro> The_ManU_212: hard disk smarts - maybe in #hardware
[12:41] <ubuntu> it started well, then i check the drives and ubuntu was installed in a separate partition of the drive
[12:41] <ubuntu> kubuntu was installed inside my windows partition
[12:42] <The_ManU_212> favro thx :)
[12:42] <favro> np
[12:42] <ubuntu> so i decided to erase both partitioning them from windows and then do a clean install of kubuntu in a separate partition
[12:42] <ubuntu> but then hell started, it said something wnet wrong and that i had to restart so i did, but then this message came up "grub error 17" and nothing happens
[12:43] <azarel> hello
[12:43] <ubuntu> that was the long version of why i want to format my drives, coz my grub is working weird
[12:44] <dr_willis> ubuntu  you want to totally whipe out the whole hard - eraseing it competely? Loseing both windows and linux?
[12:44] <azarel> I have a question ... how can i install audio and video codecs in KDE4.1.1 ?
[12:45] <ubuntu> i got 2 drives, the one with windows in it is just ntfs windows nothing else in it
[12:45] <ubuntu> i want to clean those with linux in it
[12:45] <favro> azarel: you'll have to go to #kubuntu-kde4 for that
[12:46] <azarel> ok i try there tnx
[12:46] <dr_willis> ubuntu - 'clean' as in delete the linux partitions?
[12:46] <dr_willis> ubuntu leaving windows alone?
[12:47] <ubuntu> by the moment yes
[12:48] <dr_willis> Most likely gparted on the live cd  can do that. BUT you will need to unmount the linux partitions  (from the gparted menus) if they are mounted - to change them around.
[12:48] <dr_willis> If you wish to install ubuntu - you do NOT need to delete them beforhand. YOu can tell the installer to install to them.
[12:48] <ubuntu> i tried a minut ago to reinstall kubuntu, and when it was at 98 % it said something was wrong with the grub and that it was a fatal error
[12:48] <dr_willis> You want the 2nd hd to be all linux?
[12:48] <ubuntu> but the installer did not work
[12:49] <dr_willis> Grub issue is proberly not related to 'formating the hard drives' at all.
[12:49] <ubuntu> i thought so too, and i tried to fix the grub, but that did not work either
[12:49] <ubuntu> when i write in the console to open the grub file it says there is none
[12:50] <dr_willis> do you even get a grub menu at all?
[12:50] <ubuntu> no i do not
[12:50] <ubuntu> the pc starts, it check the drives and then it says loading grub 1.5
[12:50] <ubuntu> error 17 and it stays there forever
[12:52] <dr_willis> Grub error 17 - is  discussed here  --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=442945
[12:52] <dr_willis> seems to be LBA related.. We been seeing a lot of LBA related issues in here over the last few days
[12:52] <Jampiter> Hi
[12:53] <Jampiter> How do I install KDE4, MAKING SURE it's 4.1?
[12:53] <Jampiter> I try the instructions on the website and it installs 4.0, not 4.1.1
[12:53] <jussi01> Jampiter: jump over to #kubuntu-kde4 and read the link in the topic
[12:53] <Jampiter> I tried that, It installs 4.0
[12:53] <dr_willis> Jampiter,  enable the ppa repos. in the topic/url  of #kubuntu-kde4 says
[12:54] <dr_willis> ive instaled kde4.1 from those ppa repos.
[12:54] <jussi01> Jampiter: but please ask further questions in #kubuntu-kde4
[12:54] <Jampiter> Ok
[12:56] <o0Chris0o> :D
[12:58] <o0Chris0o> my fps on my FPS game is low compared to windows, I have an nvidia 8600gt
[12:59] <dr_willis> what game. :)
[12:59] <o0Chris0o> Urban Terror :)
[12:59] <o0Chris0o> a mod, free game, based off quake 3
[12:59] <dr_willis> Egads i suck at that game. :)
[12:59] <dr_willis> I sit there shooting someone.. they run up and kill me....
[12:59] <dr_willis> :)
[12:59] <o0Chris0o> heh :) yeah I was like that too
[13:00] <dr_willis> Ive never noticed any FPS differances. - could be due to differances in nvidia drivers i guess
[13:00] <dr_willis> I got an 8800gtsxxx
[13:00] <o0Chris0o> yeah, I think so too, cool
[13:00] <o0Chris0o> I want to get the new 9400
[13:00] <dr_willis> I dont even need the power of this 8800
[13:01] <dr_willis> last thingi want is a louder/hotter video card. :P
[13:02] <jussi01> !ot
[13:05] <o0Chris0o> lol
[13:05] <o0Chris0o> sorry ubottu bot maker :D
[13:05] <o0Chris0o> lol
[13:06] <Eeyore> Hi, how do I change what is done when I attach a camera/USB-device (e.g. "open in new window", "import photos is digikam", etc.)
[13:25] <dvoid> is there any repo or webpage where i can get precompiled kde4 plasmoids for kubuntu 8.04?
[13:29] <jussi01> dvoid: try asking in #kubuntu-kde4
[13:33] <dvoid> oh didt know about that channel ;)
[13:35] <DexterF> hi
[13:36] <DexterF> need to change the password on a box, no live cd or such available. can I do the "init=/bin/bash" thing on kubuntu like with any other distro and then run passwd <user>?
[13:36] <dr_willis> I think that will work DexterF
[13:36] <dr_willis> or use the singleuser mode/option at the end.
[13:36] <dr_willis> the init=/bin/bash is a little hardcore
[13:37] <ganastasiou> hello everyone
[13:37] <DexterF> wont the single user mode ask for the passwd, too?
[13:38] <dr_willis> i though it went to root.
[13:38] <dr_willis> Ive  not used it in months. i dont rember
[13:38] <DexterF> hm, well, ill check that out, thanks.
[13:38] <dr_willis> I never 'not have a live cd' :)
[13:38] <favro> it doesn't unless you've set a root password
[13:39] <DexterF> nother thing: pulled libdvdcss from medibuntu, kaffeine still complains "disc encrypted cant play blah". smplayer plays it alright. how comm kaffeine won't use the lib?
[13:39] <dr_willis> but that voids the warrenty. :)
[13:39] <DexterF> favro: good
[13:40] <DexterF> dr_willis: ah, should have provided her with a disc... pulled a friend over from the evil MS empire :) still some edges to smooth
[13:40] <dr_willis> I got a USB thumbdrive set up with netbootin :) so i can boot/install from it now
[13:40] <s0101> is there anyway to mount my sony ericsson K530 with ubuntu when i plug in the cable nothing hapends ut the phone says that it is connected
[13:41] <DexterF> s0101: in order to do what? use it as a modem, or usb mass storage, syncing...?
[13:41] <dr_willis> on some phones you must select USB mode  to get them seen as a usb storage gizmo
[13:42] <DexterF> like on my w810i for example. syncing here only via bluetooth, not by cable. haven't tried that yet tho.
[13:47] <s0101> i want to use mas storage
[13:48] <s0101> i need to add a java aplication
[13:48] <DexterF> s0101: does the phone ask you which mode to enter when plugging the cable?
[13:48] <s0101> i have chosen usb mode of course
[13:49] <s0101> i have 2 sony ericsson none of them work
[13:50] <s0101> after i chose usb it says the cable is pluged pls do not remove erc
[13:50] <s0101> etc
[13:50] <DexterF> s0101: so KDE doesn't ask you "found this and that, what do you wanna do"? on a terminal, check "sudo blkid" and see if something new is there that's not your hard disk.
[13:51] <DexterF> try lsusb, too, see if your phone appears in there.
[13:53] <s0101> kde dont ask anything i know it has before i changed ubuntu to hardy heron and in terminal it says
[13:53] <s0101> /dev/sda1: UUID="c8d80e1a-ec2c-40ca-8a5e-52aa55e5d7c8" TYPE="ext3"
[13:53] <s0101> /dev/sda5: TYPE="swap" UUID="09af47e2-b52f-41cd-a0ed-7f7eb530e439"
[13:54] <s0101> when i use the 2nd comand it says
[13:54] <s0101> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[13:54] <s0101> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[13:54] <s0101> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[13:54] <s0101> Bus 002 Device 003: ID 046d:c510 Logitech, Inc.
[13:54] <s0101> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[13:54] <s0101> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000
[13:54] <jussi01> !paste
[13:54] <s0101> sry
[13:56] <s0101> i dont have a clue
[14:00] <s0101> why cant ubuntu connect with a mobile phone ?
[14:04] <sTratovariuZ> hi guys when i watch a videoclip in streaming for example on megavideo, it's a bit flattened, my friends can watch the same clip in good quality, what can be my prob? thx
[14:04] <sTratovariuZ> i run hardy and use ff3
[14:05]  * dr_willis wonders what 'flattened' means
[14:06] <dr_willis> megavideo.com here seems to be jsut 'dating web site ads'
[14:06] <sTratovariuZ> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/flattened
[14:07] <dr_willis> i cant even et anything to play - under windows/firefox
[14:07] <sTratovariuZ> dr_willis: the figures are a bit flat
[14:08] <dr_willis> You mean to say the  ratio of the videos are   shortened vertically over what they should be  - making people look fat and so forth?
[14:08] <sTratovariuZ> yes but horizontally
[14:08] <sTratovariuZ> so people look thiner than they are
[14:09] <sTratovariuZ> what could that be?
[14:09] <dr_willis> Given that i cant even get a single video to play on their site.. and they are using flash.. I would guess some flash quirk
[14:10] <dr_willis> http://www.megavideo.com/?v=WG346RZT
[14:10] <sTratovariuZ> alright that's what i thought but i unistall and re-install it from the repos many times... nothing
[14:10] <sTratovariuZ> it's always "flattened" :D
[14:11] <dr_willis> Uninstall/Reinstalling is a 'windows last ditch attempt to fix things'  method. that RARELY if ever fix's things under linux
[14:11] <sTratovariuZ> this is what someone here suggested...
[14:11] <sTratovariuZ> anyway the link you gave me works well and the ratio is fine
[14:12] <dr_willis> videos look fine here for me also.
[14:12] <dr_willis> compareing identical videos on linux and windows box's
[14:12]  * dr_willis lerned to click the Play button in the Middle of the video.. to play the things...
[14:12] <sTratovariuZ> i'll give you a link in one sec
[14:13] <dr_willis> that site has wayy to many 'find a date in your area' ads.....
[14:13] <Glady> lol
[14:13] <sTratovariuZ> yes well they have to get some money out of ads
[14:14] <dr_willis> They aint gettting much $$ from me.
[14:14] <sTratovariuZ> neither from me though :D
[14:14] <dr_willis> of course Im not their target audiance.
[14:14] <dr_willis> married, 40,  i dont date a lot. :)
[14:15] <Glady> imagine married 45
[14:15] <dr_willis> at least those old X-10.com ads that flooded the internet years ago.. were SOMTHING i actually could use/want :)
[14:15] <dr_willis> of course with my adblocker stuff.. i dont see a lot of banner ads these days
[14:16] <sTratovariuZ> im trying to access the clip i want but its taking ages
[14:17] <Glady> what clip is that
[14:17] <Glady> maybe I can help
[14:17] <Glady> be specific
[14:17] <Glady> it is very general stuff this morning
[14:18] <clyrrad> any of you running the latest version of Pidgin?  If so were you able to get it as a .deb package or did you have to build it from source?
[14:18] <sTratovariuZ> Glady: i'm trying to open a particular clip so i can copy its link here and dr_willis can open it, watch and tell me if its video clip's ratio aspect is the same as mine, thus i don't have a prob, if he sees it better, ivegot a prob
[14:19] <sTratovariuZ> *his video clip's ratio aspect
[14:20] <Glady> what is a video clip's ratio aspect
[14:22] <sTratovariuZ> it's shortened horizontally
[14:22] <sTratovariuZ> look http://www.megavideo.com/?v=Q9L16NQ0
[14:22] <sTratovariuZ> i couldn't open the one i wanted so here's another one that seems the same
[14:23] <sTratovariuZ> dr_willis: http://www.megavideo.com/?v=Q9L16NQ0
[14:23] <Glady> it is party poker
[14:23] <sTratovariuZ> do you guys see it shortened horizontally also or not?
[14:23] <Glady> gambling online
[14:23] <sTratovariuZ> party poker ?? o.O
[14:24] <Glady> r u guys iatlians
[14:24] <Glady> mammaia
[14:24] <sTratovariuZ> what u talkin about? o.O
[14:25] <sTratovariuZ> anyway, if you can help i appreciate it if you can't please stop bothering
[14:25] <dr_willis> its the video file dude
[14:25] <sTratovariuZ> ah alright
[14:26] <sTratovariuZ> so i don't have a prob
[14:26] <sTratovariuZ> it's just the video itself that it's not good quality
[14:26] <sTratovariuZ> right?
[14:26] <sTratovariuZ> and what about the horizontal lines during the video? do you see them also?
[14:28] <Glady> dont click on that link
[14:28] <Glady> jesus
[14:51] <tiger0007> всем привет скажите кто нить делал настройку ресивера prof dvbs 1100 usb под kubuntu 8.04?
[14:51] <Tm_T> !ru | tiger0007
[14:52] <univaldo> hello
[14:53] <o0Chris0o> having problems getting teamspeak to work on my website
[14:53] <o0Chris0o> headset
[14:53] <o0Chris0o> I try testing my mic, but I don't get anything
[14:57] <Glady> ok
[14:57] <Glady> sound is alright here
[15:02] <Glady> thats why
[15:03] <Glady> hand by hand
[15:09] <tess> y'a qq'un ?
[15:10] <ccoffey> I have some KDE4 questions, should i ask here, or in a KDE4 channel?
[15:12] <tess> thiink it's egal, but there doesn't seem to be many peaple by there, and i'm a new in kubuntu
[15:17] <astromme> There is a #kubuntu-kde4 channel for kde4 issues in kubuntu. There is also a #kde for general kde3/kde4 things
[15:17] <astromme> ccoffey: ^^ above was for you
[15:17] <ccoffey> astromme: cool, what is was looking for
[15:20] <o0Chris0o> having some problems setting up my usb headset for teamspeak
[15:27] <lnx> hallo
[15:27] <lnx> wo bin ich?
[15:27] <ign0ramus> !de | lnx
[15:27] <lnx> ich will windows installieren, geht aber nich :/
[15:27] <fsdf> hello
[15:27] <lnx> hello
[15:27] <fsdf> you server rfi cannel
[15:27] <fsdf> :S
[15:29] <o0Chris0o> !xorg
[15:29] <XVampireX> Is 64bit KDE4 remix stable?
[15:30] <fsdf> !help
[15:34] <Jampiter> Hi, how would I go about ripping the Kubuntu CD into an ISO?
[15:35] <EagleScreen> use K3b
[15:36] <Jampiter> Any other way? I don't have K3b installed right now
[15:37] <EagleScreen> do u need another programm for Linux or Windows?
[15:37] <o0Chris0o>  hello, anyone care to help me with my nvidia 8600 gt card? I want to configure my xorg manually
[15:37] <Jampiter> Ah, It's opening
[15:38] <Jampiter> Turned out I had it installed but not in the menu
[15:38] <Jampiter> o0Chris0o: How new are you to Linux?
[15:38] <EagleScreen> it is in K menu -> Multimedia
[15:38] <Jampiter> If you're not experienced, editing xorg.conf manually is not a good idea
[15:39] <Jampiter> I'm actually in GNOME at the no
[15:39] <Jampiter> mo
[15:39] <Jampiter> I opened it with the terminal
[15:39] <o0Chris0o> pretty much new, but I I have done it before, and its been awhile since I been using linux
[15:40] <EagleScreen> o0Chris0o look for drivers in nvidia website
[15:40] <Jampiter> ...How do I rip the disk in K3b?
[15:40] <EagleScreen> Copy CD
[15:40] <EagleScreen> and in the options select Only create image
[15:40] <EagleScreen> choose the image destination and ready
[15:41] <Jampiter> Excellent :)
[15:41] <Jampiter> Thanks :D
[15:46] <ccoffey> apt-get build-dep <package> is handy. is there an equivalent for aptitude?
[15:54] <Guest7425> kubuntu-es
[15:54] <o0Chris0o> EagleScreen: alright downloaded the new drivers, but....how do I install it
[15:54] <Guest7425> español
[15:55] <EagleScreen> o0Chris0o what extension and name does it have?
[15:55] <goyo> ayuda en español
[15:55] <o0Chris0o> ahh lets see
[15:55] <EagleScreen> !es
[15:56] <goyo> ok
[15:56] <o0Chris0o> .run
[15:56] <EagleScreen> try running it
[15:56] <o0Chris0o> lol
[15:56] <o0Chris0o> if I knew how to
[15:56] <o0Chris0o> I would
[15:57] <EagleScreen> open a shell where the folder is located (F4)
[15:57] <o0Chris0o> yup already open
[15:57] <EagleScreen> i supuse it needs root permissions
[15:58] <EagleScreen> first run "chmod +x its_name.run" for make it executable
[15:58] <EagleScreen> after run "sudo ./its_name.run"
[15:59] <o0Chris0o> k 1 sec
[16:01] <DexterF> how can I enter japanese signs with a normal us keyboard?
[16:02] <DexterF> or even better: is there some app to draw signs by mouse/tablet that does on the fly ocr?
[16:03] <ign0ramus> DexterF: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM
[16:04] <starenka> hi, what's the metapackage name for kde-4? tried it, but wanna remove it... (using kde3.x)
[16:04] <DexterF> ign0ramus: thanks
[16:05] <ign0ramus> kde4-core
[16:05] <ign0ramus> DexterF: np
[16:05] <starenka> ign0ramus: thanx
[16:05] <ign0ramus> :)
[16:05] <starenka> "not installed"
[16:05] <starenka> :))
[16:06] <ign0ramus> ...and you tried uninstalling simply "kde4"?
[16:06] <DexterF> ign0ramus: you ever used that? I set up a kubuntu box for a friend who studies japanese and quite frankly, I know next to jack about japanese signs
[16:06] <ign0ramus> DexterF: i have not.
[16:07] <DexterF> i see
[16:07] <starenka> ign0ramus: also not installed :))
[16:07] <ign0ramus> starenka: hmmm... i would then go into Adept, check the box for only packages you currently have installed, and search for 'kde4'
[16:08] <ign0ramus> it's in there somewhere :)
[16:08] <o0Chris0o> how do I go to a folder fromw ithin a terminal
[16:08] <mooperd> Hi, I just installed kubuntu on my macbook. I have installed the wireless with ndiswrapper but knetwork manager is not picking up the wlan0 device
[16:08] <ign0ramus> o0Chris0o: cd command
[16:09] <o0Chris0o> kk
[16:09] <ign0ramus> o0Chris0o: example would be " cd ~/Desktop"
[16:09] <o0Chris0o> k ty
[16:10] <o0Chris0o> what does the sh command do
[16:12] <ign0ramus> o0Chris0o: it executes binary files
[16:12] <o0Chris0o> alright
[16:12] <o0Chris0o> figured that out now :D
[16:12] <ign0ramus> o0Chris0o: if you have a .run file, you want to use "sudo sh file.run"
[16:12] <ign0ramus> mooperd: http://www.pingtrip.com/weblog/2008/04/kubuntu-on-a-macbook-pro
[16:13] <o0Chris0o> how do I get out of x and install a driver and have access to IRC
[16:13] <marek_> hello, what tool are you using for programming in C++ ?
[16:13] <ign0ramus> o0Chris0o: why do you need to log out of x to do that
[16:13] <starenka> ign0ramus: i "uninstalled kde4 via adept" nevertheless i can still run it :)))
[16:13] <o0Chris0o> I am installing the latest nvidia drivers
[16:14] <ign0ramus> starenka: weird :/
[16:14] <ign0ramus> o0Chris0o: ctrl+alt+f1 will take you to text-only mode
[16:14] <ign0ramus> !programming
[16:14] <o0Chris0o> alright, how do I access IRC?
[16:14] <ign0ramus> !code
[16:15] <ign0ramus> o0Chris0o: depends on your client... if you only have a gui client, then x is necessary
[16:18] <ign0ramus> starenka: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=677588
[16:19] <marek_> do you know maybe DevC from Windows??
[16:20] <marek_> I'm looking for something  similar, but for Kubuntu
[16:21] <ign0ramus> marek_: http://sourceforge.net/projects/dev-cpp/
[16:24] <starenka> ign0ramus: awsome!!! can you help w/ gettinf rid of gnome too? :))
[16:27] <ign0ramus> starenka: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=21647
[16:27] <makomania> how do i make ntfs to be mount on every boot
[16:28] <starenka> makomania: put it into /etc/fstab
[16:29] <makomania> starenka: can you please tell me how to do that please..
[16:29] <ign0ramus> !fstab
[16:29] <ign0ramus> starenka: i believe the basic package is 'ubuntu-desktop'
[16:30] <starenka> makomania: #/dev/sda1  /windows/c  ntfs-3g  defaults  0 0   where sdax is being the partiotion /windows.... being created mountpoint]
[16:30] <starenka> makomania: dont use the # - it means comment
[16:31] <starenka> makomania: kdesu kate /etc/fstab   let you edit the file
[16:32] <starenka> ign0ramus: thx.. well i tried this once and cancelled, because it has shown me loaads of packages to remove and i'm pretty sure some where used by some apps i use.. also apps i use would be removed...
[16:33] <ign0ramus> starenka: yeah, apt tends to do that... you can always reinstall the packages you want to keep, and they won't bring back 'ubuntu-desktop'...
[16:33] <starenka> ign0ramus: and yes :))) ubuntu-dekstop is not isntalled :)))
[16:33] <starenka> darn
[16:33] <ign0ramus> starenka: hmmm... then you may just want to keep gnome because like you said, a ton of apps depend on it
[16:33] <starenka> :(
[16:33] <starenka> ok
[16:34] <starenka> thx for help, m8
[16:34] <ign0ramus> np :)
[16:35] <makomania> starenka: I opened the file fstab but i'm confused here Camt understand any thing
[16:35] <ign0ramus> !fstab | makomania  Please read and you will understand
[16:35] <ign0ramus> !fstab
[16:36] <ign0ramus> ubottu: you are slow today :)
[16:36] <ign0ramus> !botsnack
[16:38] <legolas99> hola
[16:38] <legolas99> someono knows how could i see videos at amarok?
[16:39] <ign0ramus> legolas99: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=41435 Don't be surprised if it doesn't work well
[16:39] <ign0ramus> legolas99: You may just want to wait until Amarok2 is stable
[16:40] <legolas99> yhanx so much man!!!
[16:40] <danboid> We're getting a new 750GB HD for a server and my co-worker is talking of splitting it into two partitions with the justification of smaller partitiins make for faster access times. Is there any noticeable speed difference attained through doing this or is it bull?
[16:40] <ign0ramus> np
[16:41] <legolas99> but how i install it?
[16:41] <ign0ramus> danboid: it is true to a point, but depending the size of the drive and the rpms, the difference may be minimal
[16:42] <ign0ramus> danboid: if you are using something like NTFS, the difference in speed will be greater than that of ext2 or 3, mostly because of the way files are organized
[16:42] <danboid> So there would be a noticeable difference for NTFS?
[16:43] <ign0ramus> danboid: possibly.  it will be faster, benchmark-wise, but i don't know if you'd really 'feel' the difference
[16:43] <penguiniator> If both partitions are mounted and in use, you probably won't see any benefit. You still have only one read/write head for each platter.
[16:44] <ign0ramus> danboid: this may help explain: http://partition.radified.com/partitioning_2.htm
[16:45] <lenea> hey all. i've got a problem. after installing virtualbox i also installed the package virtualbox-ose-modules-386. after rebooting nothing works anymore, i've lost my 3D acceleration, my sound, and my graphics tablet. any idea what happened? thanks !!!!
[16:46] <ign0ramus> lenea: does it return if you uninstall?
[16:46] <lenea> ign0ramus : nope, unfortunately
[16:46] <ign0ramus> lenea: if you are just using Vbox for personal use, you should download the PHEL version from Sun
[16:47] <lenea> ign0ramus : it's not that i care about that anymore. right now i just want my system the way it was ^_^
[16:47] <ign0ramus> lenea: i've never heard of that happening before... lemme see
[16:47] <danboid> lenea: virtualbox needs a kernel module/ patched kernel to run properly and so ubuntu installed a new kernel which messed up your gfx etc
[16:48] <ign0ramus> lenea: can you boot into a different kernel from grub?
[16:48] <lenea> ign0ramus : i don't know, i'll try
[16:48] <lenea> brb
[16:49] <ForgeAus> sure lenea
[16:49] <ForgeAus> you can boot into any kernel you like even if its a non-linux one!
[16:50] <ForgeAus> that doesn't guarantee your installed software will work with a different kernel however...
[16:50] <jozef_> Hello
[16:50] <ForgeAus> hey Jozef
[16:51] <jozef_> I started IRC and I don't understand where I'm
[16:51] <jozef_> :)
[16:51] <ForgeAus> your in a channel
[16:51] <ForgeAus> IRC is organized in "chatrooms" called channels
[16:52] <jozef_> Yet I understand
[16:52] <ForgeAus> this one happens to be related to the Kubuntu Operating System
[16:52] <ign0ramus> jozef_: You are using Konversation, which by default takes you to #Kubuntu channel on irc.freenode.net
[16:52] <jozef_> Is that only one channel?
[16:52] <jozef_> on one world?
[16:52] <ForgeAus> (ign0ramus not just Kubuntu interestingly enough)
[16:52] <ForgeAus> no joezef
[16:52] <jozef_> józef ;)
[16:52] <ForgeAus> there are many more IRC servers and many more channels on them
[16:53] <jozef_> :o
[16:53] <ign0ramus> !irc | Jozef_
[16:53] <jozef_> And what's name of this channel?
[16:53] <lenea> that worked. i just booted in my previous kernel and i've got everything back. thanks alot for the help. i really owe you one guys
[16:53] <ForgeAus> this one is mostly for support with as I said, the Kubuntu Linux operating system
[16:54] <jozef_> I'm working on ubuntu :) How can I change a channel
[16:54] <ForgeAus> (I think andLinux by default also brings people here, among a few other possible ways of getting konversation)
[16:54] <faileas> ForgeAus: i think thats a mistake ;p
[16:54] <faileas> jozef_: /join #channel
[16:55] <jozef_> ops,
[16:55]  * faileas kinda likes irc being all esoteric
[16:55] <jozef_> how can I search channel??
[16:56] <faileas> jozef_: you'll need to know the channel name, obviously, and replace #channel with it
[16:56] <ForgeAus> uh sorry I'm not sure wha you mean by esoteric
[16:56] <jozef_> ok, sorry :)
[16:56] <faileas> ForgeAus: if you don't know how to use it, you shouldn't be using it ;p
[16:56] <ForgeAus> jozef try typing: /join #Ubuntu
[16:56] <ign0ramus> jozef_: you can search for different channels/topics here http://searchirc.com/
[16:56] <ign0ramus> faileas: then no one would have ever learned
[16:56] <ForgeAus> lol faileas :)... we all have to start somewhere
[16:57]  * faileas is wiery of suggesting the standard list command on freenode
[16:57] <faileas> ign0ramus: i started off at a smaller server ;p
[16:57] <ForgeAus> yes using /list these days isn't such a great idea unless its a small server...
[16:58] <alfonso> Kubuntu vs Ubuntu, who is better?
[16:58] <ign0ramus> alfonso: where are you right now? ;)
[16:58] <alfonso> kubuntu
[16:58] <ForgeAus> many even block it and/or /dns and/or /links commands too....
[16:58] <ign0ramus> alfonso: there you go ;)   Seriously though, it's a matter of preference.  And many people run both
[16:58] <ign0ramus> I happen to love KDE
[16:59] <ForgeAus> alfonzo, the true answer is neither...
[16:59] <alfonso> uhmmm
[16:59] <alfonso> ok
[16:59] <faileas> alfonso: matter of whichever you feel better with
[16:59] <ForgeAus> I personally favour Kubuntu, but Gnome is right... for some (its also less headache with ppl that insist on basing dependancies on gnome packages :(... )
[17:00] <ForgeAus> imho Gnome is also quite ugly ... but then themes can be changed...
[17:00] <faileas> i prefer KDE. my gnome installs get modded to be more windows like >_>
[17:00] <faileas> programme menu at bottom left, everything on one bar ;p
[17:01] <ForgeAus> hehe faileas, my KDE I tend to windows-ize it some :) one of the things I like about it
[17:01] <starenka> kde 3.5 is funky
[17:01] <faileas> my KDE is almost stock, black theme with mods to make it actually usable
[17:01] <ign0ramus> I actually started on KDE because they said it was more intuitive if you come from a Windows background
[17:01] <ForgeAus> ie double-click mouse, autohide panel... among others..
[17:01] <faileas> my dad hates it, which is good ;p
[17:02] <ForgeAus> I'd agree ign0ramus
[17:02] <ForgeAus> KDE is more mac-friendly too
[17:02] <faileas> eww
[17:02]  * faileas hates OS x
[17:02] <ForgeAus> (you can set a menubar at the top of the screen same way mac does)
[17:02] <ign0ramus> OS X is BSD-based
[17:02] <ForgeAus> (as well as you can use baghira theme, etc.)
[17:02] <ForgeAus> yes
[17:02] <ign0ramus> its like our retarded cousin
[17:02] <ForgeAus> well its a hybrid BSD/Mach kernel
[17:02] <jozef_> I was using KDE, when I have mandriva on disk, but from this school year I using Gnome on Ubuntu, and I'm very happy:)
[17:02] <ign0ramus> but she sure is pretty!
[17:03] <ForgeAus> (called xnu from memory)
[17:03] <faileas> ign0ramus: my issues are for most part UI based ironically. i LOVE how it handles installation of software tho
[17:03] <ign0ramus> drag n drop
[17:03] <faileas> yup
[17:03] <jozef_> What You come from?
[17:03] <faileas> on the other hand, i hate the rest of it
[17:03] <jozef_> :) Sorry for my english :)
[17:04] <ign0ramus> faileas: I find it way too restrictive
[17:04] <faileas> KDE is so much nicer *g*
[17:04] <faileas> jozef_: singapore, used to live in england a bit, and france a few months ;p
[17:04] <ign0ramus> I wish KDE 4.1 was usable at this point
[17:04] <faileas> i can wait ;p
[17:04] <ForgeAus> personally I don't think mac looks any nicer... its just more grey, with a nice dock bar...
[17:04] <ForgeAus> yeah I like how it uses folders as apps that way
[17:04]  * faileas is tempted to try LXDE though
[17:04] <ForgeAus> well it is USABLE just not "there" yet imho...
[17:05] <ign0ramus> ForgeAus: you are right.  I'm just mad... it looks *so * nice
[17:05] <ForgeAus> LXDE is XP-like right?
[17:05] <jozef_> ?
[17:05] <faileas> yeah
[17:05] <faileas> and lightweight
[17:05]  * faileas is considering running that on the debian or ubuntu server i'm setting up next week
[17:06] <ForgeAus> I don't like the way kde4's taskbar looks kinda Vista-like
[17:06] <ForgeAus> and isn't runnable as a separate app from plasma
[17:06] <ign0ramus> ForgeAus: again, easily changable... but so many bugs to work out
[17:06] <ForgeAus> yes well there are other taskbar themes
[17:06] <faileas> its an older box, mainly for file serving and downloads but would be nice to be able to use it as a spare net access system
[17:07] <ForgeAus> but sofar the ones I have/see are pretty much all grey/black
[17:07] <ign0ramus> I'm holding off on the Intrepid download... have you seen how this channel get flooded with people with usability issues?
[17:07] <faileas> nothing wrong with black ;p
[17:07] <faileas> ign0ramus: my policy with updates is to wait till the screaming stops
[17:07] <ign0ramus> faileas: it might be a while... no KDE3 by default any more... :(
[17:07] <faileas> my hardy based laptop will probably be running hardy about 2-3 months after intrepid comes out
[17:08] <ForgeAus> hehe faileas, black is ok for some but I'm not interested...
[17:08] <faileas> ForgeAus: !
[17:08] <faileas> hell i even have green on black for all my terminals ;p
[17:08] <ForgeAus> more a blue (and/or yellow) fan here...
[17:08] <ForgeAus> ahh yes green on black, how oldskool or Matrix of you :)
[17:09] <ForgeAus> lemme guess you have a hercules graphics adaptor lying around somewhere? :)
[17:09] <ign0ramus> hsha
[17:09] <ubuntu_> hi all
[17:09] <ign0ramus> hi dr nick!
[17:09] <ForgeAus> not that I"m complaining green on black is kewl...
[17:10] <ForgeAus> (although many monochrome/CGA monitors that were hercules card compatible had different modes ie white on black, the obvious one, green on black, or orange on black)
[17:11] <ForgeAus> but THAT.... is mostly history... thankfully :)
[17:11] <mbahamonde> hi, i just installed kubuntu on vmware and there is a very annoying dialog that is driving me crazy: it says that propietary drivers are currently in use to make the computer work properly and it keeps popping up. how can i disable this?
[17:11] <Zer0Freak> hi all
[17:12] <Shadowkllr> hello guys
[17:12] <ForgeAus> kinda like a "why did the dinosaur cross the road" joke ... would be "why did the EGA PC run DOS?" - "Because Linux wasn't invented then" rofl :)
[17:13] <Shadowkllr> lawl
[17:13] <ForgeAus> (of course I'm not sure if thats entirely true I was just kidding)
[17:15] <Shadowkllr> anyone have any experience with nmap?
[17:24] <cknowles> I think I have just formatted the wrong harddrive which was previously in NTFS and changed it to EXT3..... is there a chance I will be able to recover my data?
[17:25] <cknowles> no wait, it was already in EXT3
[17:26] <faileas> cknowles: *maybe* you can use testdisk
[17:27] <starenka> Shadowkllr: what do you need?
[17:27] <cknowles> ok thanks, shall see what happens
[17:27] <faileas> cknowles: its saved my butt before, but depends on how much was overwritten
[17:27] <Shadowkllr> nm, i'm in the ubuntu channel too, and i just figured it out
[17:29] <reisei> Hello folks!
[17:43] <posonty> hola
[17:43] <posonty> alguien habla español
[17:43] <posonty> por favor
[17:43] <posonty> necesito ayuda
[17:43] <posonty> helppppppppp
[17:44] <jussi01> !es
[17:44] <posonty> hola
[17:45] <posonty> alguien habla español
[17:45] <joshuajtl> hey folks, my gtk apps (firefox for example) are not using my kde looks... (using kde 3)
[17:45] <jussi01> posonty: type: /join #kubuntu-es
[17:52] <joshuajtl> i just read somewhwere that kubuntu is 1 month away from being a strictloy kde4 distro?
[17:55] <Fargh> whats a good ftp program thats stable under kubuntu ?
[17:55] <Fargh> tried gftp and kftpgrabber
[17:55] <Fargh> both crashes often
[17:59] <penguiniator> hmm... I use gftp all the time without issue... try fireftp... have a look at http://linuxreviews.org/software/ftp-clients/
[18:22] <ronnie_> hi, I'm going to try out ubuntu/studio, on a pentium4 desktop, which version do i download?= (ISO) or (torrent) both i386 = )
[18:22] <Eeyore> ik heb wat schelpen in m'n hand
[18:23] <ronnie_> wish they had a kubuntu/studio = (
[18:23] <faileas> ronnie_: unless you have a torrent client? iso
[18:24] <ronnie_> I just have normal high speed through bell (phone-line)
[18:27] <ronnie_> I'll go with the ISO, umm does kde 4 come with any new games, multimedia software, or only alot nicer desktop, same packages?
[18:28] <Fieldy> imo not really, just looks different/slicker. im not very impressed
[18:30] <ronnie_> ok thx won't bother switching till 8.10 gets released, only wanted it to explore different packages (heavy on multimedia) thats why I'm trying ubuntu/studio first time = )
[18:31] <ngirard__> Hi all. Has anybody succeeded in importing contacts from kaddressbook to GMail ?
[18:32] <xomp> is it possible to install KDE 3.5.8 along with Gnome and not have applications from each DE showing up in each others applists?
[18:43] <ronnie_> I'm gonna try out the new buggy Intrepid kubuntu, is the latest version alpha4, the higher number meaning most recent?
[18:44] <IppatsuMan> ronnie_: the latest version is alpha 6
[18:45] <ForgeAus> I guess so
[18:45] <ronnie_> oh theres a 6 kewl K ill try it, thx = )   old desktop don't matter if it dosent work properly
[18:47] <ngirard__> Hi all. Has anyone used GCALDaemon with kaddressbook ?
[19:07] <guillermo> hi
[19:07] <guillermo> i just installed kubuntu from windows
[19:07] <guillermo> how do i do uninstall it?
[19:07] <guillermo> !uninstall
[19:07] <guillermo> !uninstal
[19:08] <matias> holaassss
[19:09] <guillermo> !format
[19:09] <guillermo> !uninstall
[19:13] <ronnie_> ok I just downloaded alpha6, but it says alternate is that the wrong one?
[19:14] <ForgeAus> the alternate one isn't a livecd is just an (text-mode) install one I think
[19:14] <ForgeAus> its not necessarily wrong, depends on what your after
[19:15] <ronnie_> well just the full version of intrepid a;pha6, dosent matter if it loads in text mode
[19:15] <ForgeAus> that CD afaik can install the full Interpid Alpha 6
[19:15] <ForgeAus> or DVD or whtaever it is
[19:16] <ForgeAus> as to what you consider "full" ...
[19:16] <ForgeAus> is another compliated story entirely
[19:16] <ronnie_> k thx giving it a try , well I have a cd burner but only a dvd rom so can't burn a dvd = )
[19:18] <Fargh_> is there a default sfv checker in kubuntu ?
[19:18] <jussi01> sfv?
[19:18] <jussi01> ronnie_: for help with intrepid, please ask in #ubuntu+1
[19:18] <jussi01> doh!!
[19:19] <jussi01> Fargh: sfv checker?
[19:20] <Fargh_> yes
[19:20] <Fargh_> similar to md5
[19:21] <carlosthem> kio
[19:22] <yurimxpxman> I'd like to get a DV camera.. is there anything I need to be aware of when I get one? (as far as compatibility with GNU/Linux)
[19:26] <Bsims> How do I update my menus in kde its not doing it automaticaly... and Yes I have menu installed
[19:32] <bringas> holaa
[19:32] <DexterF> friend of mine is on kopete/icq but invisible to me. shouldn't be. how come?
[19:32] <DexterF> (fresh install, no router, pppoe)
[19:33] <bringas> hi a irc in spanish  for kubuntu? i need help please!
[19:33] <DexterF> #kubuntu-es I think
[19:34] <bringas> thanks man
[19:34] <DexterF> np
[19:34] <DexterF> and how come libxine-ffmpeg isnt installed by default?
[19:44] <jabapyth> my computer stopped doing the Graphical Login.....it now gives me a terminal. How do i get that back?
[19:45] <jabapyth> hmm
[19:49] <LeeJunFan> well first jabapyth - wait for an answer for a while longer.
[19:50] <Guest43558> #kubuntu-es.
[20:13] <poon> [Mass Message] Inj
[20:20] <ngirard__> Hi all, i'm about to leave from home during 1 week, and I need to access my box via ssh. Surprisingly enough, i'm not able any more to connect to a remote machine
[20:21] <ngirard__> I get: Permission denied (publickey,password)
[20:21] <ngirard__> I'm sure I typed the right username/password
[20:22] <_Shade_> hi there
[20:23] <ngirard__> The trick is, i can open an ssh connection from a LAN machine
[20:25] <_Shade_> i just installed a new harddisk, and it has been recognized as 40gb while it's 160gb. It's 40 gigs in bios although gparted says it's 160. Is it safe to install linux on it at its full capacity then?
[20:38] <juan_> hello
[20:56] <christian__> plis ubuntu in espanish chanel
[20:57] <christian__> cual es e lchanel de ubuntu en spain
[20:58] <Bauldrick> !es
[21:00] <Darkrift2> how do i make konq my filemanager instead of dolphin?
[21:03] <adz21c> Darkrift2: need to change the file association for directories if I remember correctly
[21:03] <Darkrift2> ahhh
[21:03] <Darkrift2> i forgot this isnt windows.... folders are files too lol
[21:03] <adz21c> ;-)
[21:04] <Darkrift2> well, folders isnt listed as a file type :S
[21:05] <adz21c> node?
[21:05] <adz21c> yea it comes under node, directory
[21:06] <Darkrift2> fuond it :)
[21:06] <Darkrift2> but search didnt find it :S
[21:07] <adz21c> weird .. finds it in kde4 atleast :-)
[21:07] <Darkrift2> yeah, search must be broken, still doesnt find it, even though im looking at it
[21:07] <adz21c> :P
[21:10] <_Progress_> hi, i try to install kubuntu-kde4-desktop from launchpad repo but i get: E: Broken packages
[21:11] <_Progress_> http://code-bg.com/1784
[21:19] <_Progress_> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/+archive/+index?start=0&batch=75 i try this
[21:21] <dr_willis>  I installed from the ppa repos just earlier today. You did  update/upgrade/ then installed the kde4 dekstop package?
[21:21] <affan> hello everyone... how do i find out which graphics card i have... i think i have Nvidia 5200 but how can i confirm?
[21:22] <dr_willis> lspci command gives a lot of info affan , or open up the case and look.
[21:22] <affan> thanks dr_willis
[21:23] <SiDi> Hello
[21:24] <affan> hello SiDi
[21:24] <SiDi> May any of you tell me two things pls : how to see hidden directories in kde and send me a screeny of the .kde/ directory?
[21:24] <SiDi> I'm trying to help a guy having trouble to read DVDs with kaffeine/vlc all of a sudden
[21:24] <SiDi> but i know nothing of KDE :P
[21:26] <SiDi> Something else.. whats likely to happen if i do "mv ~/.kde ~/.kdebackup", restart my x serv, and then do "mv ~/.kdebackup ~/.kde" ?
[21:36] <Guest2441> How do i install mp3 codec ?
[21:37] <Guest2441> Can anyone help me ?
[21:38] <chris______> guest: add/remove applications
[21:38] <chris______> type ubuntu restrict in the search box
[21:38] <chris______> install ubuntu restricted extras
[21:38] <chris______> or kubuntu ofc
[21:38] <Guest2441> thanks !
[21:40] <chris______> i have freshly formatted a ext2 partitions now i dont have permission to write to it... whats wrong?
[21:41] <carlos> He is possible to use “java 1.6.0 or superior” in “ubuntu 8,04 hardy”?
[21:41] <rgreening> how did you mount it? Read-only? Or is it even mounted?
[21:41] <siegie> ext2 is een filesystem without journal. Why don't you use ext3
[21:41] <chris______> rgreening: i just klicked it:)
[21:42] <chris______> i want to share it with other OSes... and read reports that windows sometimes messes up ext3 partitions
[21:42] <chris______> so i have to mount it in the console?
[21:42] <rgreening> chris: to share with windows, not sure how etx2 will help.
[21:43] <chris______> rgreening: there are drivers for win+ext2
[21:43] <rgreening> oh.. good enuf then . :)
[21:43] <carlos> Excuse me for i am Spanish and i translate. -
[21:44] <carlos> He is possible to use “java 1.6.0 or superior” in “ubuntu 8,04 hardy”?
[21:44] <rgreening> chris: check mount info from command (console)
[21:44] <chris______> k i will
[21:44] <rgreening> carlos: not sure.
[21:45] <rgreening> !info sun
[21:45] <carlos> rgreening:  graciassssssss...
[21:46] <rgreening> !info java-6-sun
[21:47] <carlos> rgreening:  okis.... Me that is él podido download the series 1.0.7 but nomas
[21:47] <carlos> ubottu:  okis... gracias
[21:48] <rgreening> !info java-5-sun
[21:48] <chris______> !info sun-java6-jre
[21:48] <rgreening> lol
[21:48] <rgreening> had it backwards
[21:48] <rgreening> haha
[21:48] <carlos> ok... gracias=thank you
[21:48] <chris______> its also in the restricted extras i mentioned above
[21:48] <rgreening> my bad
[21:48] <chris______> i dont know the exact version
[21:51] <carlos> ubottu:   thank you, copying your text and i look to see that i can translate and understand. - greetings
[21:52] <carlos> ubottu: OK ... boot didn't not thought
[21:52] <SiDi> el es una machina carlos xD
[21:53] <carlos> SiDi: ok.. ok.. jajajaja.. sorry
[21:57] <sTratovariuZ> can someone open and watch this http://www.megavideo.com/?v=YENW83QR and tell me if he sees the ratio shortened horizontally?
[21:59] <SiDi> What do you mean sTratovariuZ
[21:59] <SiDi> btw X-Files pawns :P
[21:59] <SiDi> The display seems to be all normal to me
[21:59] <sTratovariuZ> i mean if watching it you notice is not good quality and you see the ratio shortened horizontally thus the figures appear longer then they should be
[22:00] <SiDi> I see what you mean
[22:00] <sTratovariuZ> (full screen)
[22:00] <SiDi> Like 16:9 but on a 4:3 screen ?
[22:00] <sTratovariuZ> so it's the same with u?
[22:00] <SiDi> Yeh i guess it's the guy who made the vid from a 16:9
[22:00] <SiDi> but megavideo takes only 4:3
[22:01] <sTratovariuZ> is there a way to modify what im watching?
[22:01] <sTratovariuZ> like on the mac, if you watch something on the mac u can modify the ratio with ur mouse
[22:01] <SiDi> no its a flash animation
[22:01] <sTratovariuZ> is there a prog? or an app through which u can do what im sayin?
[22:01] <SiDi> i dont see what you can do about it
[22:02] <sTratovariuZ> mmm
[22:02] <sTratovariuZ> alright
[22:02] <SiDi> can u really modify the ratio of a megavideo vid from mac? oO
[22:02] <ign0ramus> sTratovariuZ: you can download the flash file and convert to whatever and watch it on your computer
[22:02] <sTratovariuZ> cuz i use megavideo allot and most of the stuff i watch it's like this, it bothers me allot
[22:02] <sTratovariuZ> yes but downloading takes ages in streaming i can watch it in real time
[22:03] <ign0ramus> sTratovariuZ: then you can't really complain
[22:04] <sTratovariuZ> oc course i can
[22:04] <sTratovariuZ> it sucks :D
[22:04] <SiDi> its megavideo :D
[22:04] <SiDi> if the guy puts a video with bad quality theres not much to do ^^
[22:04] <ign0ramus> sTratovariuZ: dude you're watching a pirated video on a shitty .flv stream and bitching about aspect ratio???
[22:04] <SiDi> yeh i've to agree :D
[22:05] <SiDi> i got the whole X-Files DVDs if u want tho xD
[22:05] <SiDi> but its in french D:
[22:05] <sTratovariuZ> j'parle français aussi SiDi :D
[22:06] <ign0ramus> sTratovariuZ: then you would know not to abbreviate "je parle" ;)
[22:06] <SiDi> ign0ramus, i dare you to find a french native who would write je parle more often than chparle or jparle on an irc channel :D
[22:07] <ign0ramus> Sadly, language has taken a turn for the worse when typed :(
[22:07] <sTratovariuZ> i speak 4 languages and talking about french i totally agree with SiDi
[22:07] <sTratovariuZ> even when u speak french u dont say "je parle" but "j'parle"
[22:08] <sTratovariuZ> and whatever "je" does it's always abbreviated :D
[22:08] <sTratovariuZ> gotta go
[22:08] <sTratovariuZ> have a good one boys
[22:08] <ghostcube> anyione noticed problems with mozilla-mplayer here and not playing vids
[22:08] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: nope
[22:08] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: are you using the .xpi add-on?
[22:09] <ghostcube> nope its the installed one by apt-get
[22:09] <ghostcube> it simply stops the vid its not playing it
[22:09] <joseph> ok, so i have a panel on the bottom of the screen and one on the right-hand side of the screen.  however, when i try to configure the panel on the right side, it only affects the bottom.
[22:10] <SiDi> ign0ramus, frenchies cant write french decently
[22:10] <SiDi> gotta face the truth :D
[22:10] <joseph> how do i configure multiple panels?
[22:10] <ign0ramus> SiDi: they have an entire institution dedicated to preserving the language!
[22:10] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/mplayerplug-in/mplayerplug-in-0.4.xpi?download try this one
[22:11] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: also, to see if its a problem with the stream, try opening in vlc or mplayer externally
[22:11] <ghostcube> ign0ramus: i did
[22:11] <ghostcube> and it give me an eror about ipv6
[22:11] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: so the stream is good, then?
[22:11] <ghostcube> but if i start it with -playlist it works
[22:11] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: what did?
[22:11] <ghostcube> was asking in mplayer before
[22:11] <ghostcube> the stream works fine with vlc plugin
[22:12] <ghostcube> but i dont like the vlc p plug in 0.8.6
[22:12] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: try uninstalling with apt-get, and installing the .xpi from the link above
[22:12] <ghostcube> ok
[22:12] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: you'll have to restart firefox after that
[22:12] <SiDi> Yeh i know ign0ramus, but the youth isn't that interested in how to spell words
[22:12] <ghostcube> ign0ramus: i know thx
[22:12] <SiDi> it sometimes even lead people to being a bit upset :D
[22:12] <ign0ramus> SiDi: are you from France?
[22:13] <ign0ramus> I studied the language and culture through college, and I remember the outrage when French kids were calling discs "CDs"
[22:14] <ghostcube> heh germans do this too lol
[22:14] <SkEmO> o.o
[22:16] <SiDi> yeh ign0ramus :p
[22:16] <SiDi> Well we all say CDs nowaways
[22:16] <ign0ramus> SiDi: or saying 'ouai'... I personally never liked that myself
[22:17] <SiDi> it's more about those 12 to 16yo children who can't type a phrase of 5 words without doing at least 3 errors
[22:17] <SiDi> and making it unreadable
[22:17] <dr_willis> or they type
[22:17] <dr_willis> like
[22:17] <dr_willis> this, wait.. theres more...
[22:17] <dr_willis> :)
[22:18] <ign0ramus> SiDi: you can always use a translator :) http://ssshotaru.homestead.com/files/aolertranslator.html
[22:19] <SiDi> nowadais *
[22:19] <ign0ramus> nowadays
[22:19] <SiDi> nowadays * /me feels tired.
[22:19] <Farmer> Hi, I cant seem to find the button called "show windows from all desktops" button
[22:19] <ghostcube> ign0ramus: this isnt going to work
[22:20] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: you've tried, and it still fails?
[22:20] <Farmer> any help, it is like it has wanished, I remember it used to be in the taskbar settings
[22:20] <ghostcube> it doesnt detect windows media strem now
[22:20] <ghostcube> i cant check the setting i can give u the site u will see what i mean
[22:21] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: link please
[22:21] <ghostcube> http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/content/Vince_Ebert_Denken_lohnt_sich/9602,270972/583220
[22:21] <ghostcube> left sided is an tool icon
[22:21] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: that's not a video url
[22:21] <daniele> hallo
[22:21] <ghostcube> no just use this pls u will see
[22:22] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: i don't read German - just tell me what to click on
[22:22] <ghostcube> this si embedded stream
[22:22] <daniele> ci sta qualcuno che parla italiano?
[22:22] <joseph> for some reason, i cannot change the wallpaper.  is there a command that will set it?
[22:22] <ign0ramus> !it | daniele
[22:22] <ghostcube> left side is an tool on the lower left
[22:22] <ghostcube> over the i
[22:23] <ghostcube> it opens an settings tab to chosose which format o want
[22:23] <ghostcube> windows media vlc or wuick time
[22:23] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: i'm afraid the page you gave me is not displaying the same way you see it
[22:23] <chris______> ghostcube: why dont you pick vlc?
[22:23] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: can you give a direct link to the stream, please?
[22:23] <ghostcube> chris______: the vid is worse
[22:23] <ghostcube> ign0ramus: sure wait
[22:24] <ghostcube> http://wstreaming.zdf.de/zdf/300/080913_ebert_3sf.asx
[22:24] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: plays for me..
[22:24] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: right-click > configure
[22:24] <chris______> ghostcube: i can watch it in windows media format aswell
[22:24] <ghostcube> ff cant handle the file
[22:25] <chris______> but the quality isnt as good as in windows
[22:25] <ghostcube> i know how the mplayer plug works this stopped some weeks ago
[22:25] <ghostcube> could be with abn update
[22:25] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: ohhh... you may need to install firefox-gnome-support
[22:26] <ghostcube> iam on kde :)
[22:26] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: Firefox is gtk
[22:26] <ghostcube> oh thought there is an qt port :)
[22:26] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: there is, but unless you manually downloaded it, Firefox is gtk
[22:26] <ghostcube> but this worked before ff 3.0.1
[22:26] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: ever noticed how the dialog box always looks terrible?
[22:26] <ghostcube> yeah
[22:26] <ghostcube> :D
[22:27] <ghostcube> but iam on compiz with workarrounds
[22:27] <ghostcube> so :)
[22:27] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: just for me, please install firefox-gnome-support
[22:28] <ghostcube> firefox-3.0-gnome-support
[22:28] <ghostcube> for ff3 i asume ?
[22:29] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: yeah, try that.
[22:29] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: if you're saying that firefox doesn't know how to handle an .asx file, it's usually due to this.
[22:30] <ghostcube> yeah this doesnt work with mozilla-mplayer normally
[22:30] <ghostcube> cause the plugin is installed specially
[22:30] <ghostcube> nope gnome support doesnt play it in firefox want to open external
[22:30] <ghostcube> ^^
[22:31] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: can you configure it in Edit > Preferences > Applications
[22:32] <ghostcube> in ff ?
[22:32] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: yes
[22:32] <ghostcube> the xpi u gave me ?
[22:32] <ghostcube> nope
[22:32] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: there's no listings for ASF video?
[22:33] <ign0ramus> or Windows Media Audio/Video?
[22:33] <ghostcube> its vlc ath the moment
[22:33] <ghostcube> wait must trigger it
[22:34] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: This window is blank in KDE until you install 'firefox-gnome-support'
[22:34] <ign0ramus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/220798
[22:34] <ghostcube> yeah i see it i have the package installed
[22:35] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: so now change you change the MIME-type to your plugin?
[22:36] <ghostcube> nope
[22:36] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: and you should probably get rid of the vlc plugin, as it will conflict with the Mplayer plugin
[22:36] <ghostcube> ign0ramus: i know i needed it to get vid working
[22:37] <SiDi> ign0ramus, is it any dangerous to delete one's .kde directory
[22:37] <ghostcube> ok its just an bug in mozilla-mplayer and ff  3.01   as it seems i cant get the xpi working here
[22:37] <ghostcube> SiDi: yes
[22:37] <SiDi> and then get one's backup and rename it .kde ?
[22:37] <SiDi> are there are symlinks or such stuff that would cause trouble ?
[22:37] <SiDi> a friend did it and now some of his default apps were changed
[22:38] <Darkrift2> anyone ever got frontpage running under wine?
[22:38] <SiDi> he doesnt have konqueror instead of dolphin
[22:39] <ign0ramus> SiDi: wow... there's a lot of config files in .kde ... why'd he delete it?
[22:39] <ign0ramus> SiDi: default apps are easy to change if that's his biggest problem.
[22:39] <SiDi> Seems like all chmod/chown stuff is wiped
[22:40] <adz21c> Darkrift2: can't say i have tried, but i know people got office running under it before now and isn't frontpage part of office?
[22:40] <SiDi> well it's my fault... i told him to because i didn't think there was any root owned files inside it
[22:40] <ign0ramus> SiDi: yeah, ~/.kde/share/apps has a ton of info
[22:40] <SiDi> since on my gnomeish thing i already did that without trouble
[22:41] <Darkrift2> it is.... i tried frontpage and it wont load, was hoping someone had seen that but considering the crappiness of that app, I guess most ppl dont use it
[22:41] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/446 - this is good if you insist on having multiple media plugins for firefox
[22:41] <adz21c> Darkrift2: your best off checking the wine app database, but yea frontpage is a shocking app so i wouldn't hold out much hope
[22:43] <ign0ramus> Darkrift2: have you tried OpenOffice's Impress?
[22:43] <Darkrift2> i need frontpage...
[22:43] <Darkrift2> i need to make a short video showing how to upload a site using frontpage
[22:44] <Darkrift2> i work with hosting and lots of customers use fp, and nobody knows how to use it lol
[22:44] <adz21c> isn't impress for presentations?
[22:44] <SiDi> who asks you that? :/
[22:44] <SiDi> oic
[22:44] <SiDi> boot under windows [sic]
[22:44] <SiDi> fastest and safest way to do that i guess
[22:44] <ign0ramus> Darkrift2: i see... I'm not sure if Wine can handle that, but you can always do it in Virtualbox... (i realize this is not what you wanted to hear)
[22:44] <Darkrift2> yeah.... i have windows installed on here
[22:44] <Darkrift2> im ready for that option ign0ramus, just wanted to try wine first
[22:44] <SiDi> wine will probably be tricky
[22:45] <SiDi> and then clients will ask : why is your window border and font different ? :P
[22:45] <Darkrift2> LOL
[22:45] <Darkrift2> because im smart enough not to use windows
[22:45] <Darkrift2> easy answer
[22:45] <ign0ramus> Darkrift2: Virtualbox is pretty awesome... just make sure to get the PUEL version from virtualbox.org
[22:45] <Darkrift2> "you chose linux hosting because I told you windows hosting sucks.... same reason"
[22:45] <Darkrift2> i have it installed and setup already ign0ramus
[22:45] <ign0ramus> nice :)
[22:45] <Darkrift2> win2k3 server running on it already
[22:46] <SiDi> ign0ramus, seeing what situation my friend is in, what would you do to fix it ?
[22:46] <SiDi> Reinstalling KDE shall work, shall'nt it ?
[22:46] <ign0ramus> Darkrift2: well, if you're going to present to other working in a Windows environment, then that's probably you're best bet
[22:47] <ign0ramus> SiDi: that I don't know for sure... it wouldn't hurt to try, though :)
[22:47] <SiDi> the thing is that it'd be cool to save the firefox shortcuts, kaffeine playlists, etc
[22:47] <SiDi> but to get those files to work
[22:47] <SiDi> i could tell him to chmod 777 his kde directory too... but its not really secure
[22:48] <SiDi> Just one thing at least : how to make konqueror main explorer ?
[22:48] <SiDi> instead of dolphin
[22:48] <ign0ramus> SiDi: why would you 777 a directory, when he goes about accidentally deleting important files?
[22:48] <ign0ramus> SiDi: 'sudo apt-get purge dolphin' :)
[22:49] <SiDi> well, we backed the directory .kde
[22:49] <ign0ramus> SiDi: sorry, i just like Konqueror that much more
[22:49] <SiDi> renaming it .kdebackup
[22:49] <SiDi> and then we just cp'd all the kdebackup data into the newly made .kde directory
[22:49] <SiDi> and some files seem not to be owned by root anymore
[22:49] <SiDi> all has been done from konsole with sudo
[22:49] <ghostcube> ign0ramus: ok i reinstalled an purged the mozilla-mplayer plugin deactivated vlc and reinstalled the mozilla-maplayer
[22:50] <ghostcube> it works again withjout the error
[22:50] <ghostcube> thx for uure help :)
[22:50] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: success!
[22:50] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: np
[22:50] <ghostcube> seems any ff update kicked the plugin out of range
[22:50] <ghostcube> :)
[22:51] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: that happens more than it should :/
[22:51] <ghostcube> yeah i just gitted webkit-gtk and trying midori
[22:51] <ghostcube> :)
[22:51] <ghostcube> hehe
[22:51] <ign0ramus> SiDi: if I'm not mistaken, all files and folder in /home are owned by the user
[22:51] <CoJaBo-Eee> Is it possible to change the default icon for a file type on KDE 4.1?
[22:51] <ghostcube> the vid id so much better with mplayer vlx 0.8.6 isnt very well
[22:52] <SiDi> normally yes
[22:52] <SiDi> but some appear to be owned by root in .kde :/
[22:52] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: I <3 vlc, but the plugin leaves a lot to be desired
[22:52] <ghostcube> yes but i miss 0.9.2 for hardy :«
[22:52] <ign0ramus> SiDi: well, in that case, i would chmod them
[22:52] <SiDi> 7xx at least ?
[22:52] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: what, the external player?  You can grab it now
[22:53] <ign0ramus> SiDi: yeah, /home files shouldn't be owned by root unless you set them that way
[22:53] <Glady> external is ok
[22:53] <Glady> bye
[22:53] <ghostcube> ign0ramus: yeah but not from repository :|
[22:53] <ghostcube> i need to compile it or
[22:53] <ghostcube> proposed isnt shipping it
[22:53] <kai__> where i can get java?
[22:54] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: there is a repository for it
[22:54] <SiDi> whats the value to put 7 for user and to let unchanged the group and all values ?
[22:54] <ghostcube> ppa or offical
[22:55] <ign0ramus> ppa launchpad
[22:55] <ghostcube> hmm i read abozut and thouht it want the best :-?
[22:56] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: what? vlc?  IMHO, it is the best external media player on Windows or Linux (don't know about Macs)
[22:56] <ghostcube> nah the repo lol
[22:56] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: it's a launchpad repo
[22:57] <ign0ramus> !launchpad
[22:57] <ghostcube> i know heh i use it for compiz :)
[22:58] <ghostcube> nm i was talking about an other private repoas it seems
[22:58] <ghostcube> wsnt this user
[22:58] <ign0ramus> regardless, its *deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/c-korn/ubuntu hardy main* if anyone is interested
[22:58] <kai__> is here a german chat?
[22:58] <ghostcube> !de
[22:59] <ghostcube> ign0ramus: thx will try now
[22:59] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: cool
[23:00] <ign0ramus> just make sure to remove and autoremove old vlc packages
[23:00] <ghostcube> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/compiz/ubuntu hardy main   if u need 0.7.6 in hardy :D
[23:01] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: Honestly, the first thing I do is turn off Desktop Effects
[23:01] <ghostcube> :D
[23:01] <ghostcube> ok
[23:01] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: unless I'm showing someone Kubuntu for their first time... it seems to really impress people! ;)
[23:02] <ign0ramus> The only thing I do is switch desktops, and ctrl+tab works great for me
[23:02] <ghostcube> hmm i use it since beryl 0.10
[23:02] <ghostcube> so iam used to the cube vps
[23:02] <ghostcube> :D
[23:02] <ghostcube> i use them all
[23:02] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: i had *so* many problems with Beryl
[23:02] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: but i also have crappy integrated graphics on this lappy, so ...
[23:03] <ghostcube> oh ok iam on nvidia all the time so was lucky :)
[23:03] <kaptnemo> ello all
[23:03] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: the new desktop effects that shipped with Hardy actually work really well considering how bad my hardware is for graphics, though.
[23:03] <Schuenemann> when I do a "fdisk -l" it lists my partitions and then says: "Logical partitions not in the same disk order". How do I fix that?
[23:04] <mike-d> hey, I need to get the intel IHC10 drivers working on my install cd or it doesn't see my harddrive, anyone have any tips, or where to find the right kernel module?
[23:04] <kaptnemo> is anyone having any issues with FF3 locking up due to some "chrome" script?
[23:04] <ghostcube> ign0ramus: yep it imporved the 0.7.6 is more imporved and some newer plugs
[23:04] <ghostcube> but 0.78 should be cool and the intel drivers gets better
[23:04] <SiDi> kaptnemo, what do you mean by chrome script ?
[23:04] <SiDi> chrome://blabla ?
[23:05] <ign0ramus> Schuenemann: http://phlogma.com/linux/?p=4
[23:05] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: yep, good ol' integrated Intel graphics
[23:05] <SiDi> Can someone give me the result of "ls -l /home/YOURNAME/.kde/share/config/systemsettingsrc" ?
[23:05] <ghostcube> ign0ramus: the new betas in sid should fix some probs so far
[23:06] <kaptnemo> Well I keep getting an error that a script has become unresponsive let em see if I can get the error to come up again
[23:06] <ghostcube> i was told from user  in compiz channel
[23:06] <ign0ramus> SiDi: http://pastebin.com/m14fa6ffc
[23:07] <SiDi> Thanks
[23:07] <SiDi> so its not root owned for you
[23:07] <ign0ramus> SiDi: no, that's what i've been saying! :)
[23:08] <kaptnemo> SiDI the first script error I get is "chrome://global/content/bindings/browser.xml:0"
[23:08] <ign0ramus> kaptnemo: does it do that in Safe Mode?
[23:09] <bonfim> WHAT
[23:09] <SiDi> chrome:// i think its the name of some linux theme for browsers
[23:09] <SiDi> nothing to do with chrome browsers :P
[23:09] <kaptnemo> oh lol
[23:09] <kaptnemo> anyway of getting rid of the theme?
[23:09] <SiDi> No i dont know at all how it works
[23:09] <SiDi> but its not a google attack at least ;p
[23:10] <kaptnemo> hrmm ok thanks
[23:10] <ign0ramus> kaptnemo: it could be because of an add-on... did you try in Safe Mode?
[23:11] <Schuenemann> ign0ramus, will try, thanks
[23:11] <kaptnemo> no let me try it in safe mode... I did some reading on the ubuntu forums and got rid of most of my addons
[23:12] <SiDi> It seems my friend got no more errors with his KDE, and his other problem is fixed !
[23:12] <SiDi> Sounds like we succeeded at end
[23:12] <ign0ramus> SiDi: felicitations!
[23:13] <SiDi> Thanks for your help ign0ramus :)
[23:13] <ign0ramus> SiDi: pas de probleme!
[23:13] <SiDi> hehe ;P
[23:13] <SiDi> Where are you from exactly?
[23:13] <ign0ramus> usa
[23:13] <SiDi> oki
[23:14] <SiDi> It's rare seeing someone from the us speaking french :O
[23:14] <ign0ramus> SiDi: that's why I'm missing accents everywhere...
[23:14] <SiDi> hehe np ;p
[23:14] <SiDi> What state are you living in, if i may ask ?
[23:14] <ign0ramus> Pennsylvania
[23:14] <SiDi> oki
[23:14] <ign0ramus> Nothing very special here :(
[23:15] <SiDi> ^^
[23:15] <SiDi> Well i'm half french half spanish living in France :O
[23:15] <SiDi> and france is really a silly country :/
[23:17] <ign0ramus> SiDi: but Europe is great because there are so many cultures and cities so close together
[23:18] <ign0ramus> I can drive for six hours straight on the freeway, and be at the other end of my state :(
[23:18] <SiDi> Yeh thats true
[23:18] <SiDi> we have a lot of cultures and opinions
[23:18] <ghostcube> ign0ramus: hmm 0.9.2 is segfaulting
[23:18] <mike-d> how do i get the ubuntu installer to load a driver from something like a floppy or another cd?
[23:18] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: that's strange...
[23:18] <ghostcube> thats what i meant before i read about this bug
[23:18] <ghostcube> :|
[23:19] <mike-d> I need to load the ata_piix kernel module for my install and i'm not sure on the specifics of telling hte installer to do it
[23:20] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: I didn't hear of that problem... not that it helps you, but it installed fine for me.
[23:20] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: but as I'm reading, there are plenty of others with this problem
[23:20] <ghostcube> ign0ramus: yep :(
[23:20] <ghostcube> and its build without gdb support
[23:21] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: how can you tell what repo a package comes from?
[23:21] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: because i was able to install new vlc without the launchpad repo, but i have no idea how... maybe medibuntu?
[23:21] <ghostcube> sudo apt-cache policy
[23:22] <dr_willis> medibuntu does have 'variants' on someof th media plaers. :)
[23:22] <dr_willis> its very likely you got the medibuntu version installed.
[23:22] <ghostcube> i have all repos opened inclusive proposed and backports
[23:22] <ghostcube> no 0.9.2
[23:22] <ghostcube> :D
[23:22] <ghostcube> but strange ui
[23:23] <ghostcube> if i run the vlc inside gdb it does not crash
[23:23] <ghostcube> outside gdb it does
[23:23] <ign0ramus> this is strange.... http://pastebin.com/m8892dc
[23:23] <ghostcube> lol i got it to work
[23:23] <ghostcube> just start it gdb vlc
[23:23] <SiDi> Good night everyone :)
[23:23] <ghostcube> run
[23:23] <ghostcube> quit gdb
[23:23] <SiDi> I'm on the go
[23:23] <ghostcube> it will start after this
[23:24] <ghostcube> rofl
[23:24] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: what it gdb?
[23:24] <ghostcube> debugger
[23:24] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: so turning off debugging works, then?
[23:24] <ghostcube> no if it crashed for u
[23:24] <ghostcube> then just debug it
[23:24] <ghostcube> here now it works
[23:24] <ghostcube> just start it once inside gdb
[23:25] <ghostcube> yep works now ;F
[23:25] <ign0ramus> ghostcube: ohh... looking at my output, it seems my vlc compiling actually *did* work.  That's strange because it gave me an error when i "make install"'d
[23:25] <ghostcube> :D
[23:26] <dr_willis> !sudo
[23:26] <Schuenemann> ign0ramus, it didn't work =/
[23:26] <ign0ramus> Schuenemann: i forget, what were you trying to do?
[23:27] <ign0ramus> oh, the partition error
[23:27] <Schuenemann> reorder my logical partitions
[23:27] <ign0ramus> well, dr_willis is in... maybe he can help
[23:27] <Schuenemann> why? is that a medical problem?
[23:27] <ign0ramus> Schuenemann: sometimes it feels like one, doesn't it?  xD
[23:28] <Schuenemann> yeah :D
[23:28] <monotoko> hiya, anyone know how to open multiple servers with konversation IRC client?
[23:28] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, so, doc, can you help? :p
[23:28] <ign0ramus> monotoko: just use the /server command ?
[23:29] <monotoko> ohh aye :P
[23:29] <monotoko> havent used IRC in a loooonnnngggg time
[23:29] <dr_willis> 'please state the nature of the linux emergancy'
[23:29] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: haha :)
[23:29] <Schuenemann> hehehe... well, "fdisk -l" says my logical partitons are not in the same order as the disk's
[23:30] <dr_willis> thats very likely true
[23:30] <Schuenemann> and it's bad too
[23:30] <dr_willis> Ive seen some very weird partition layouts in my days
[23:31] <ign0ramus> Schuenemann: are you experiencing any problems because of this?
[23:31] <Schuenemann> not really, but I wanted to format one of them and cfdisk can't do it and neither qtparted can
[23:32] <Schuenemann> this is the output from fdisk: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/48719/
[23:33] <dr_willis> fdisk tools normally 'fdisk/partition' the drive to make filesystems you then format. :)
[23:33] <ign0ramus> Schuenemann: dude, Windows 95?
[23:33] <dr_willis> gparted is special in that it can do both.
[23:34] <Schuenemann> ign0ramus, I think that stuff is bugged. I don't remember having one. Anyway, I'll wipe it out when this problem is solved :)
[23:34] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: so you're saying gparted can format where qtparted cannot?
[23:34] <Schuenemann> I though qt|g where just frontends to the same program
[23:35] <dr_willis> ign0ramus,  both are just front ends calling mkfs.* i belive
[23:35] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: because he was saying qtparted wasn't working
[23:35] <dr_willis> i cant rember the last time i even tried qtparted
[23:35] <dr_willis> i always use gparted
[23:35] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: as you've told me, it's deprecated now anyway :)
[23:35] <Schuenemann> I actually mean qtparted doesn't list partitions correctly
[23:36] <dr_willis> some days I feel deprecated
[23:36] <dr_willis> L)
[23:36] <dr_willis> i wouldent use qtparted Schuenemann  - i would stick with gparted.
[23:36] <dr_willis> Actually i would use the latest gparted Live cd. :) but thats just me....
[23:37] <Schuenemann> but there's something wrong. cfdisk doesn't work either
[23:37] <dr_willis> so you mean to say that fdisk, and cfdisk give different layouts?
[23:37] <Schuenemann> cfdisk doesn't do anything, just outputs an error message
[23:38] <Schuenemann> It just says: Fatal error: Invalid logical partition 7: logical partitions increased overlapped
[23:38] <Schuenemann> (I'm translating so it might not be very accurate)
[23:39] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: now that you've got me thinking about it, i wanted to shrink my Windows partition to make more room for Kubuntu... I need to unmount the NTFS volume to resize it, correct?
[23:40] <dr_willis> you MUST have partitions unmounted to work on them with gparted, or other tools. :)
[23:41] <dr_willis> Whichis why i always use a live cd. that way im sure they are all unmounted
[23:41] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: that makes sense.
[23:41] <Darkrift2> omfg i hate microsoft
[23:41] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: the doctor has spoken!
[23:41] <Darkrift2> they cant do a damned thing right
[23:41] <dr_willis> I have seen that the ntfs resize tool under vista - is MUCh faster then gparted ntfs resizing
[23:41] <ign0ramus> Darkrift2: yeah, but did you see the new commercials? (/sarc)
[23:41] <dr_willis> and from what i hear. using gparted on a Vista System/ntfs - can cause issues
[23:41] <Darkrift2> do they depict large unmanned jets hitting bill gates home?
[23:42] <dr_willis> 'we had to lie to people to get them to try our new os' commercials  ign0ramus ?
[23:42] <Darkrift2> if no, then im uninterested
[23:42] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: yeah those...
[23:42] <Darkrift2> oh, yeah....
[23:42] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, but fdisk/qtparted to show different layout. qtparted doesn't show Win95, for example. Here's a screenshot: http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=qtpartedvs7.jpg
[23:42] <ign0ramus> Darkrift2: lol
[23:42] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: or no, I meant the ones with Seinfeld... the ones that leaving like ".........what.... the .... f***?"
[23:43] <Schuenemann> qtparted is buggy. It says I have a 15GB partition with 35GB used
[23:43] <ign0ramus> *that leave you like
[23:43] <Darkrift2> frontpage works for about 10% of my customers.... we blame that 75% on an error id10t and 25% on frontpage sucking... i just installed frontpage and knowing EVERY step to publish, i get errors 75% of the time
[23:43] <Darkrift2> so im trying to make screenshots or a video of the process, but you cant take screenshots in windows with a menu open
[23:43] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: ok, from my Kubuntu livecd, is gparted already installed?
[23:43] <dr_willis> 'PEBKAC' Errors :)
[23:44] <dr_willis> ign0ramus,  no idea. I doubt it.. :) if its not - install it.
[23:44] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, what's that?
[23:44] <dr_willis> I tend to use the lastest gparted live cd. since its faster
[23:44] <dr_willis> Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair. :)
[23:44] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: problem exists between keyboard and chair
[23:44] <ign0ramus> woops, didn't mean to tab you
[23:44] <Schuenemann> ok, so I'm the problem. Now what?
[23:44] <dr_willis> 'look out!  we got a 12:00 flasher!' --> someone who cant even set the date on a VCR. :)
[23:45] <ign0ramus> Schuenemann: he wasn't referring to you... although that could be the issue ;)
[23:45] <dr_willis> Schuenemann,  im not sure of your exact problem.  I would trust fdisk, over qtparted.
[23:45] <dr_willis> what IS the actual problem anyway?
[23:45] <Schuenemann> logical partitions out of order
[23:45] <Schuenemann> that is the problem
[23:45] <ign0ramus> that's what i've been trying to find out for 20 minutes
[23:45] <ign0ramus> Schuenemann: what problems in your computing does this cause?
[23:46] <dr_willis> They can be out of order and the system work fine.
[23:46] <ign0ramus> Now here's something... "fdisk -l" produces no output at all for me.... *scratches head*
[23:46] <dr_willis> ign0ramus,  add a sudo to the front
[23:47] <Schuenemann> the system works, but I can't format my partitions since the programs look crazy... cfdisk doesn't even start
[23:47]  * ign0ramus puts on robe and dunce hat
[23:47] <Schuenemann> actually it does start, but only displays a error message and quits
[23:47] <ign0ramus> alright, i'm off to shrink windows down... bbl
[23:48] <dr_willis> if you want to 'format' a filesystem - you can use the command line mkfs.ext3 or other commands.
[23:48] <Schuenemann> how can I trust that if 1 program can't display my table partitions and the other 2 display it differently? =/
[23:49] <dr_willis>  It may be a good idea to backup any imporntant data, and perhaps repartition/reformat the drive and make a more sane layout.
[23:49] <dr_willis> i would trust fdisk, over gparted, or qtparted.
[23:49] <dr_willis> you could go get that gparted live cd, and see what it says also.
[23:49] <dr_willis> You are sure you are not accidently looking at 2 different disks right?
[23:50] <dr_willis> I see you got a sda and sdb.
[23:50] <joseph> !apache
[23:50] <Schuenemann> nah... sdb has only a win95 one. And I sent you  the output from fdisk and qtparted's screenshot, remember? :p
[23:50] <Schuenemann> AND cfdisk can't display anything, so there's something wrong
[23:51] <dr_willis> qtparted display seems fine to me.
[23:52] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, what is that /dev/sda2 there?
[23:52] <Schuenemann> and how can /dev/sda7 used space be bigger than it's size?
[23:52] <dr_willis>  sda2 is a 'extended' partition, which holds logical partitions
[23:53] <Schuenemann> hm... what about sda7?
[23:53] <dr_willis> i was just looking at the layout/order
[23:54] <dr_willis> If theres nothibng imporntant on the linxu  partitions - it may be a good idea to remove sda2 and the logicals, and repartition
[23:54] <wt> I was just wondering. Are the network manager issues with wireless supposed to be worked out before the release?
[23:54] <dr_willis> I tend to use  all primary partitions.
[23:55] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, but I'm using one of them right now
[23:55] <dr_willis> sda5  used = N/A seems very weird
[23:56] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, I think that should be the 35,98
[23:56] <dr_willis> its possible theres some how some overlapping of the partitions.
[23:57] <Schuenemann> yes, I got an error like that when I tried to reorder the logical partitions
[23:59] <Schuenemann> dr_willis, oh no, it was when I tried cfdisk
[23:59] <Schuenemann> Fatal error: Invalid logical partition 7: logical partitions increased overlapped
[23:59] <dr_willis> ive learned over the years.. to just use 4 primary partions. :) I rarely use extended/logicals any more