[00:05] Good night! === keithclark_ is now known as keithclark [00:43] anyone notice usb keyboard not working in x in kubuntu ibex alpha6 [00:43] ? [00:45] they are out there, they are just having trouble responding [01:02] Ok, so I have a verified 8.10a6 CD, and a partition set aside for it.... [01:02] anything I should know? [01:03] Oh yeah, I want to use the GRUB on my 8.04.1 install, can it add itself to that without hijacking it? [01:03] I don't know. [01:03] hmm [01:03] not unless you have a separate /boot, AFAIK [01:03] I do know that grub2 works surprisingly well at doing that, though :) [01:04] ohhhh, does hardy use grub 1.5? [01:05] * ethana2 scratches head [01:06] oh that's right [01:06] Dell did give me a seperate /boot [01:09] RAOF, when's the new blob going to be ready? [01:09] the new nVidia driver? [01:09] I don't know? [01:09] yes [01:09] * ethana2 goes to test new grub settings [01:11] <`Matir> For some reason, whenever I go to a flash-enabled website, I get a grey box where the flash applet would be... using nspluginwrapper and flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 [01:12] you need ia32libs installed [01:19] Ok, quick confirmation-- the intrepid alpha 6 install process is safe, correct? Nothing nasty that's not in the release notes? [01:19] Hey guys. I am testing Alpha6 but want to test the ATI drivers. Any ideas where I can go about doing that. I did try apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx but nothing really happened [01:19] ethana2: It's been tested, and no showstopper bugs exist (that aren't noted). [01:19] ethana2: hmm... it is called "Alpha" so be careful [01:20] Ok sweet, I'm doing this [01:20] ethana2: That said, you might _find_ a showstopper bug. [01:20] I was on hardy alpha 3.. [01:20] RAOF: hehehe [01:20] heh [01:20] anmar: no fglrx in intrepid [01:20] I'm not entrusting it with the task of resizing any partitions, so whatever it does should be recoverable at least [01:20] * ethana2 kicks this pig [01:21] dmoerner: is that for the alpha release or for the final release? [01:21] anmar: but 247376 [01:21] anmar: Do we have a working fglrx driver yet? I didn't think it supported our xserver. [01:22] dmoerner: thanks. I will check that out. [01:22] 8.9 is no help, they are hoping catalyst 8.10 will be out before intrepid releases [01:22] RAOF: I thought the latest 8.9 catalyst drivers work with 2.6.27 driver... but I am not sure.. let me check phoronix. they had an article on that. [01:22] anmar: Yeah, works with the 2.6.27 kernel. But not with xserver 1.5 [01:23] The kernel part being easiest to fix - that's actually the only thing we _can_ fix, because it's built from source. [01:25] RAOF: ah... i see... they need to update catalyst to work with Xserver 1.5. [01:25] Yes. Xserver 1.5 changed the video driver ABI. [01:25] anmar, that's supposed to happen in about a month [01:26] RAOF: so as far as ATI 3D, I am stuck? or there is an open source 3D driver (i have ATI Radeon 3200) [01:26] bsnider: yeah.. there monthly release cycle. Cool. at least it is coming :) [01:26] anmar: The default drivers should give you 2d, but there's no (released) open-source 3d driver for it. [01:27] i thought xf86-video-ati would provide 3d for that card [01:27] not for the r600 serious [01:27] 3200? I don't think so, not unless you're using some git snapshots of mesa and the driver. [01:27] s/serious/series [01:27] RAOF: Yeah.. that is what I figured. at least AMD is working on it in a consisten fashion [01:27] if you insist on using fglrx with intrepid you will have to go back to hardy's xserver: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Intrepid_Installation_Guide [01:28] dmoerner: I misss compiz but it is not that important of an issue. I think the desktop has more serious issues at the moment. [01:29] isn't the radeon 3200 a really old card? the 8500 was like 6 years ago [01:29] bsnider: No, you're confused by versioning. [01:29] the new series isn't even called radeon anymore [01:29] it's radeonhd [01:29] bsnider: the 3200 is an onboard video part of the AMD G780 chipset. I bought the board 4 months ago [01:30] i c [01:30] It went: 7xxx series, 8xxx series, 9xxx series, X200, X300, X600, X700, X1600, X2400, X3000, X4600 :) [01:30] actually they cut out the X too for newer radeon hds [01:30] RAOF: correct. Mine is X3200 [01:30] Of course, the X3000 shouldn't be confused with _Intel's_ X3000 chip :) [01:31] RAOF: lspci shows "Radeon HD 3200" [01:31] well in that case the radonhd driver should be providing 3d to that chip within 6-12 months or so [01:31] bsnider: I prefer the open source driver but it is not a biggie [01:31] And the radoen driver does so now, at least with unreleased development code. [01:31] s/oe/eo/ [01:32] RAOF: so I take it that using Kernel 2.6.27 is a final decision and will not be changing for the final release? [01:32] it could change [01:32] if there are too many showstoppers [01:32] Open source driver development goes so much faster when (a) specs are released and (b) you pay a couple of devs to work on it full time. :/ [01:32] bsnider: hmmm... interesting [01:32] anmar: It looks like it'll be 2.6.27 [01:33] well, that's the case with the radeonhd driver, since it's being developed at novell [01:33] bsnider: oh... didn't know that. [01:33] And the radeon driver, too. [01:33] ok. I will skip the ATI testing... One thing that confused me today with Alpha6 was the lack of empathy. I thougth it was going to replace pidgin. Is that still the case? [01:34] with the ati cards, there are 3 drivers. the old ati driver, the new radeonhd driver, and fglrx [01:34] * RAOF still doesn't really know why there are two separate radeon drivers. [01:34] <_Zeus_> whoa whoa, remove pidgin? [01:34] anmar: No, it's not. It's easy to install empathy, but it's not replacing pidgeon (yet). [01:34] _Zeus_: I remember reading that in a blog. [01:35] RAOF: no worries.. was just wondering as I expected that switch. [01:35] empathy needs about 75 packages to do what pidgin does [01:35] bsnider: true... but it is more of a framework than an app [01:35] bsnider: True, but only because each backend is essentially a plugin. [01:35] And 75 is a bit of an exaggeration :) [01:36] show me how it's better than pidgiin [01:36] it ain't [01:36] It does video & voice :) [01:36] well the UI leaves a lot to be desired [01:37] but overall, I like the fact that it is a framework and not just an app or library [01:37] there's lots of voip programs that do that [01:37] It integrates better with gnome. Oh, and empathy-megaphone-applet rocks. [01:37] RAOF: you tried megaphone? [01:38] But you're right. It's not sufficiently better than pidgin to swap at this point. I expect (a) it will improve the UI, and (b) other things will build on the framework, making it a compelling choice in a release or two. [01:39] it's not better than kopete either [01:39] actually kopete is in many ways better htan pidgin [01:41] unfortunately it has an alarming tendency to kill gnome [01:41] <_Zeus_> empathy doesn't sound as good as pidgin [01:41] <_Zeus_> no plugins-blah [01:42] <_Zeus_> *= [01:42] <_Zeus_> the lack of new message marker alone is enough to stay in pidgin [01:42] New message marker? [01:43] _Zeus_: There is no doubt that Pidgin is better that Empathy. However, i think empathy is going in the right direction. Having a framework available (telepathy) will be very helpful for GNOME and all of its applications. [01:43] pidgin's updated msn support made it the best on gnome [01:44] <_Zeus_> RAOF: it puts a red line in chats where you stopped reading [01:44] anybody has skype not starting after recent update ? [01:44] <_Zeus_> so when you comd back, you can tell where to start from [01:44] <_Zeus_> Volkodav: x64? yes [01:44] same here on x64 [01:44] what's the deal ? [01:44] <_Zeus_> Volkodav: something about libQtDBus.so.4? [01:45] yeap [01:45] <_Zeus_> yeah, i got that too [01:45] <_Zeus_> Volkodav: you might want to try getlibs, although tthat failed for me [01:46] I still did not reboot yet [01:46] lemme reboot [01:51] hey all, i am having trouble with xorg. I did a fresh install on a system that had hardy. I save the xorg config (have had it for years). I tried to use it in intrepid and it didn't work. typically I can look for the "EE" in the log but the xorg log doesn't have it? xorg now boots into the ugly failsafe mode. any suggestions on what has changed? [01:51] derekS: what hardware do you have? [01:51] nvidia [01:52] Ok, when Intrepid asked whether or not to install a bootloader, I said 'no', because I want that to be handled from hardy [01:52] derekS: I have ATI and the driver (from ATI) doesn't work with the new server (version 1.5) as they changed things. It could be the same issue [01:53] ..of course, this leaves me to set it up manually [01:53] derekS: I assume you are using the open source driver. right? [01:53] anmar: how do i figure it out? i just want to see the logs... [01:53] anmar: no, the nvidia driver from restricted [01:54] derekS: hmmm.... it could be something similar to my issue. [01:54] anmar: how can i diagnose it? [01:54] derekS: I usually frequent this site for very helpful information (http://www.phoronix.com) [01:55] derekS: you can gall down to the command prompt and check out the logs In /var/log/Xorg.log (i think) [01:55] anmar: the xorg logs are overwritten... [01:55] with the failsafe xorg config [01:56] Ok, how do I set up a grub entry for my new 8.10 install? [01:56] derekS: /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old will contain what you're after. [01:57] * ethana2 has mounted the intrepid partition and is scouting for kernels [01:57] RAOF: thanks! let me check, i thought i looked there [01:57] still same shit _Zeus_ [01:58] <_Zeus_> Volkodav: yeah, i didn't figure it out [01:58] <_Zeus_> i downgraded to x86 when a6 went out [01:58] !ohmy [01:58] Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [01:59] * ethana2 has located the kernels, adding them to menu.lst... What is this UUID thing? [01:59] <_Zeus_> eh [01:59] they must be a fix though [01:59] <_Zeus_> it's there so if your root gets renamed (eg, sda-sdb) you can still boot [01:59] <_Zeus_> Volkodav: i googled forever and none of the fixes worked [01:59] ahhh [02:00] _Zeus_: what would cause that to happen? [02:00] that sux0rz [02:00] <_Zeus_> ethana2: eh, i dunno. I just use the real name (/dev/sdan) [02:00] <_Zeus_> never had a problem [02:00] ethana2: Plugging in a new harddrive, having a USB stick plugged in on boot, a kernel upgrade changing names (hda->sda, for example). [02:08] hmm, you know, I don't want to do this improperly [02:08] how do I find the UUID of a partition? [02:09] ethana2: blkid, I believe. [02:09] As in "blkid /dev/sda5" [02:09] i did a 'man blkid' [02:09] but thanks [02:17] vol_id -u /dev/whatever works too. [02:17] er, sudo it. [02:18] ok yeah, i can't get the usage for blkid right and i don't know why [02:19] * ethana2 does vol_id -u, checks man [02:23] wait, root (hd0,5)? Where does 5 come into this? [02:23] The bios. [02:23] Grub numbering starts at zero. [02:24] Kernel numbering starts at 1. [02:24] And 'a', too. [02:25] ...so my hardy install is on its fifth kernel? [02:25] * ethana2 is confused now [02:25] No, it's on the 6th partition of the 1st harddrive. [02:26] oohhhhhh [02:26] Aha. So /dev/sda6 is (hd0,5), and /dev/sda3 would be (hd0,2) [02:27] Yes (although there's actually no guarantee that sda is hd0) [02:27] pretty sure it is on my system [02:27] Yeah, it probably is. [02:29] RAOF: bsnider: thanks for all the help guys. time to switch back to hardy :) [02:30] hey everyone === alksldkjfkasld is now known as arooni [02:31] i am having problems getting dual mon working on intrepid daily. everything works great when i use nvidia twinview within the os. but when i save off to the xorg file [02:31] and restart; i get an error [02:39] hmm...I think there's a bug that could cause seizures in those with epilepsy - with firefox in full screen mode and another window in focus, alt+tabbing to the firefox window and only releasing the tab key (so the "alt window" stays open) causes a bunch of flickering [03:02] i have intrepid with a p43 chipset and network wireless card that has a rtl-8185L chipset... card gets detected by ubuntu and i can *TRY* to connect to wireless networks... but with a wpa network even if i enter the password i cant login :( [03:20] I'm trying to install Intrepid Alpha 6 on an old laptop of mine. When I try to boot up with the LiveCD to install or try Ubuntu, it does not work. I get to a terminal instead of where I am supposed to be. Can anyone help me? [03:23] I tried `startx', which complains that `Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration' and `Fatal server error: no screens found giving up'. [03:24] I was about to go playing with xorg.conf, but I gather that the operation of X has changed a bit to allow flexibility. [04:30] argh... stupid Flash... just gave me a hard-lockup, somehow. [04:37] flash is evil [04:37] Yup. [05:03] any reported issues with upgrading from 8.04? === sourcode is now known as sourcode[0] [05:58] rtl-8185l chipset wireless card is having a hard time remembering my wep key... everytime i login i have to authenticate..... though once i do it works fine [06:06] I've had that with an Intel 2200 card, too. [06:12] DanaG, do devs know about it [06:12] Beats me. I fixed it, but I don't remember how. [06:12] Oh yeah, for one thing, I made the network a "System Setting" -- so it should work even without X running. [06:13] argh, damn flash just crashed in the MIDDLE of a video. [06:13] * DanaG hates Flash. [06:21] help! [06:21] someone talk to me who isn't a bot [06:30] hey guys, will Intrepid have a customized install? (i.e. you can choose which programs to install) [06:48] what version iwl3945 is in intrepid? [06:49] 1.2.26ks [06:50] cool, anybody had a weird problem when after returning from suspend iwl3945 driver would cause the keyboard to get stuck [06:50] i'm hoping someone can help, the forums andf google results have not helped (ati graphics driver) installed and in use, all nvidia stuff... installed and in use.. yet i cannot get any more than 800 resolution.. and running sudo nvidia-xconfig just says "congrats its re-written.. with no results [06:51] * RAOF is saved from that problem by not having working suspend! [06:51] the symptoms are. upon returning from suspend keyboard works and as soon as network manager starts connecting to a wireless network it locks the keyboard [06:51] jayde_drag0n: Do you really mean ati _and_ nvidia? [06:51] toggling the wifi kill switch fixes it [06:52] this is weird!! [06:53] dmesg shows absolutely nothing [06:54] RAOF: i mean when i goto system>administration>hardware drivers it allowed me to checkmark enable ati graphics thingys.. i did so... no result cannot change the resolution.. i followed all forum advice and installed all the nvidia stuff (it already was.. ran the x server settings and it told me to run sudo nvidia-xconfig.. i did.. it said it rewrote some xorg. file thingy.. but i still cannot make my screen smaller than 800 by wh [06:54] jayde_drag0n: Well, that's guaranteed not to work. [06:55] jayde_drag0n: You can't have both fglrx and nvidia drivers installed and expect either to work :) [06:56] nvidia drivers also break Intel 3D. [06:56] jayde_drag0n: So, you need to work out whether you have an ATi or nvidia graphics card. [06:56] =þ [06:56] So... on laptops with switchable GPUs, you have to choose one or the other. [06:56] nvidia drivers break * [06:57] RAOF: ati radeon [06:57] jayde_drag0n: which model exactly? [06:57] RAOF: not to mention that the nvidia drivers were already installed.. not something that I did [06:57] So, the _first_ thing you need to do is to remove nvidia-glx-* [06:58] There was a packaging bug where nvidia-glx was accidentally installed, yes. [06:58] Don't you just love closed-source drivers that replace part of Xorg? [06:58] RAOF: can i just use synaptic and untick them? or can i only untick some and have to leave others? [06:58] ... and thus break everything else. [06:58] jayde_drag0n: Yes. Just untick all of them. [06:59] RAOF: okay hold i will do that and then come back to continue my instruction oh wise ubuntu guru [06:59] RAOF: ouch, where was the dep added? [06:59] crdlb: I forget. It was some time ago, too. [07:01] RAOF: it wants to remove "linux restricted modules" when i unchecked everything that said nvidia.. continue anyway? [07:02] Hm. I wonder what's taking that away. [07:02] nvidia-common. [07:02] Ah. Don't remove that, then. [07:02] k [07:02] * DanaG goes off to try nouveau again... [07:04] RAOF: okay done.. now what [07:04] So, now we work out what card you have. [07:05] Actually, we don't need to do that at all. [07:05] So, now we remove the fglrx drivers. [07:06] RAOF: lol i was just about to question that.. okay.. lead the way what names am i looking for? [07:06] xorg-driver-fglrx, I think. [07:06] apt-get uninstall? [07:07] RAOF: hah, I guess fglrx is still broken? [07:07] jayde_drag0n: Indeed. [07:07] crdlb: Yup. No Xserver 1.5 support for you! [07:07] Hmm.... better than before, but not entirely better. [07:07] Handy site: phoronix.com [07:07] no thats not the right code [07:07] I look there about once a week, or so. [07:07] apt-get remove? [07:08] jayde_drag0n: yes [07:08] 10q [07:08] RAOF: oka done [07:09] Now, 'sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf ~/xorg.conf.backup'. [07:09] Get rid of the old xorg.conf entirely, but keep a backup. [07:09] k done [07:09] well i ran that code.. it didn't do anything that i saw [07:09] Now, log out, and I think everything should be peachy. [07:10] don't i need to go back in and enable the ati driver again.. i checked and saw it was un-enabled [07:10] or do that after i log out [07:10] You don't do that at all, because it won't work. [07:11] okay i'll be back and tell you the result [07:13] RAOF: everything is still HUGE :-( [07:13] jayde_drag0n: Would you kindly pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log? [07:14] RAOF: can you give me the sudo code to make that come up? [07:14] "sudo aptitude install pastebinit" [07:14] Then "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log" [07:14] and that will give you the code from the log??? [07:14] Yes [07:14] nifty [07:15] Or, rather, it will return a URL which you'll need to give to me. [07:16] RAOF: pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log [07:16] er [07:16] http://pastebin.com/f2b39bcec [07:18] Hm. Can you do the same thing for /var/log/Xorg.0.log.oldL [07:18] Hm. Can you do the same thing for /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old? [07:18] yah sorry went and smoked while you read it [07:19] http://pastebin.com/f4650faa9 [07:20] jayde_drag0n: Urgh. Can you (a) make sure that /etc/X11/xorg.conf doesn't exist, and (b) that xserver-xorg-video-ati is installed? [07:21] RAOF: i can do the second but how do i do the first? [07:21] ls /etc/X11 [07:22] RAOF: i believe it does exist.. that gave a response [07:22] Make sure that there isn't a "xorg.conf" file there. Or you can run "ls /etc/X11 | pastebinit -" to copy the output to a pastebin. [07:22] ARgh, Ikeep getting random hard-lockups, perhaps from nouveau. [07:22] jayde_drag0n: It will give output. You want to make sure that the output doesn't contain 'xorg.conf'. [07:22] http://pastebin.com/f7ab097af [07:23] the output does contain those words [07:23] jayde_drag0n: Gah. 'sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf ~/xorg.conf.backup2' [07:23] okay now make sure the other thingy is installed right? [07:23] Yes. [07:24] "already at its newest version [07:24] Good. Now, can you make sure that "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" doesn't exist again? :) [07:25] http://pastebin.com/f1f3dc0cf [07:25] Excellent. [07:25] Now, let's go for a restart. Logging off should work, but let's be sure. [07:25] lol i was just about to ask that [07:25] brb [07:29] still huge.. no new resultion options [07:30] Hmm, nouveau is still making Xorg take 10% to 20% CPU... but it's better than it was. [07:30] Can you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old again? [07:30] RAOF: and also when i boot up .. like before (forgot to mention) i get "ubuntu is in low graphics mode... something something cannot detect correctly" [07:31] jayde_drag0n: Right. In that case, just pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old again :) [07:31] just put pastebinit in front of that line? [07:31] Yeah. [07:32] http://pastebin.com/f58258474 [07:32] ARGH! Why is it using xorg.conf.failsafe?! [07:33] RAOF: also i don't get the splash loading screen anymore .. the progess bar part.. it gives me lots of text.. and there is an error in "mounting local filesystems : no final newline in etc/fstab" [07:34] RAOF: even tho it appears to have mounted everything just fine [07:34] Right. So, something's gone wrong in your Xorg. [07:34] Let's just reinstall all of Xorg! [07:34] RAOF: try to look in /var/log/gdm -- sometimes GDM just gets screwed up. [07:34] okay! lead on [07:34] It'll get stuck in failsafe even when you fix the problem. [07:34] sudo aptitude reinstall ~nxserver [07:34] with the tilde? [07:34] ~n ? [07:34] Yes. [07:34] what's that about? [07:34] aptitude crack [07:35] so THAT's how you give aptitude wildcards. [07:35] ~n means "match based on package name" [07:35] There are actually a bunch of match operators; ~n is just the one I use the most. [07:35] I never managed to figure this out... if I use just ordinary wildcards... it rejects it as "matching multiple items" -- well, DUH, it's a WILDCARD! [07:35] ooooOOOOooohhh nifty [07:35] But thanks for that tilde -- it'll be way handy. [07:35] * DanaG ♥ aptitude. [07:35] okay done [07:36] Really? That should have taken some time :) [07:36] oh yeah, nouveau+apic=force == ouchie. [07:36] s/+/ + / [07:36] er, hpet=force [07:36] jayde_drag0n: Now, let's check that xorg.conf doesn't exist _again_, then log out. [07:37] Hmm... since when does a celeron support c-states? [07:37] pastebin the var logs again? [07:38] jayde_drag0n: Pastebin the "ls /etc/X11 | pastebinit -" [07:38] doesn't gdm reuse the X server by default? [07:38] crdlb: Nope, don't think so. [07:39] http://pastebin.com/f1b1c8364 [07:39] crdlb: I happily swap nvidia/nouveau by logging out. [07:39] jayde_drag0n: Excellent. Let's play restart again! [07:39] there's definitely an option for it, and I thought it was the default [07:39] i have a dumb question tho [07:39] if we don't want xorg.conf... why would we have installed xorg in the first place... second place [07:40] lol [07:40] because Xorg is somewhat important [07:40] Xorg is the thing which does all the graphical stuf. [07:40] but doesn't just having xorg install its config file? [07:40] _All_ the graphical stuff is done by Xorg. [07:40] It doesn't need xorg.conf any more. [07:40] xorg.conf is the "old confusing" method [07:41] * DanaG goes off to S£33Þ. [07:41] ahhh okee.. brb again [07:41] How do you pass options to nvidia driver without xorg.conf? [07:41] You don't. [07:41] RAOF: does failsafe in intrepid work differently than in hardy and < ? [07:41] DanaG: "how do you use the nvidia driver without xorg.conf?" [07:41] Then what about all these nifty options I commented here: [07:41] Aah. [07:41] 5 minutes til my upgrade -c -d forcing me to reboot. Hopefully I'll come back up [07:41] Oh yeah, handy nvidia stuff: www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf [07:42] It doesn't have the sharedpixmaps and such tweaks nvidia recommends on the latest 177, though. [07:42] RAOF: because, with the old failsafe, it tries multiple vesa modes, which means bye-bye logs if the first try isn't successful [07:43] crdlb: Hm, maybe. [07:43] Dunno. [07:44] Oh hey, how do you decrease the horizontal icon spacing on nautilus desktop? [07:44] RAOF: no and no... are you SURE i don't have to enable the ati driver? [07:44] jayde_drag0n: Yes. I'm sure. [07:44] k [07:45] So, pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log again :/ [07:45] http://pastebin.com/f48415d52 [07:45] DanaG: by turning on use compact layout for the nautilus icon view monde? [07:45] mode* [07:46] DanaG: What was that about gdm? [07:46] Look in /var/log/gdm... sometimes it puts a failsafe.log file there. [07:46] Perhaps it's triggering on that? [07:46] Wah? What happened to libdri? [07:46] Why is libdri still broken? [07:48] I'm wondering if there are usb stick images for intrepid? [07:49] jayde_drag0n: Can you 'ls /var/log/gdm | pastebinit -'? [07:49] http://pastebin.com/f22398ec2 [07:50] jayde_drag0n: Can you pastebinit /var/log/gdm/failsafe.log [07:50] and of course.. i can do anything you ask me to so long as directions are provided :-) [07:50] http://pastebin.com/f332b38dc [07:52] DanaG: Gah! Help! [07:52] How does one deal with failsafe X? [07:52] I have disabled it on my systems, because it's a royal pain. [07:52] How do you do that? [07:53] #this is a comment [07:53] argh [07:53] keyboard lag.... lost an entire chat line! [07:54] you comment out the FailsafeXServer line in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf [07:54] Try to just rm that failsafe log there, though. then restart GDM. [07:54] jayde_drag0n: ^^^. Let's try that; sudo rm /var/log/gdm/failsafe.log [07:55] k [07:55] gdm = gnome desktop manager? [07:56] Gnome display manager, I think. [07:56] okay now reboot? [07:56] Yeah, why not. [07:57] lol allrighty.. sienot.. am so tired of things being huge.. i wish it could just be done thru force [07:57] er side note [07:57] * DanaG hates the FailsafeXServer thing. [07:58] Oh yeah, another feature: http://https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/257809 [07:58] Launchpad bug 257809 in kde-guidance "guidance-backends overwrites xorg.conf without confirmation or notification, if video card has changed since last boot" [Undecided,New] [07:58] Good thing it's no longer a dependency of ubuntu-desktop. [07:58] ... or rather, it was a dependency of displayconfig-gtk, which has been removed. [08:00] *sigh* [08:01] so .. dumb question again.. we can't use the restricted driver because it doesn't work in ibex? it was working in hardy [08:01] Old card, or new card? [08:01] Oh wait, ati, not nvidia, right? [08:01] yes [08:01] I don't remember which. [08:01] ati [08:01] I have the "nvidia to old" thing on my spare laptop I'm currently using. [08:02] same card as i've had at least 2 years [08:02] s/to/too/ -- agh, key lag. [08:02] I haven't dealt with fglrx or radeon/radeonhd at all in... oh, since the 9800 Pro era. [08:02] I'll be going back to ATI next time, though -- hopefully this or next month. [08:03] jayde_drag0n: You can't use fglrx because it doesn't work in intrepid, yes. [08:03] k [08:03] And I think your card might no longer be supported by fglrx, anyway :) [08:03] No X Server 1.4 / 1.5 / whatever support. [08:03] What card? [08:03] Do i still need the alternate cd to create an encrypted installation? [08:03] elmargol: I believe so, ye.s [08:04] and that means what to me? i have to reinstall hardy and never again ponder upgrading or i'll be stuck with a resolution on crack? [08:05] can I suspend using a encrypted swap? :D [08:05] What video card? [08:05] The open-source drivers have gotten much better in recent times, I've read. [08:05] elmargol: Yes. [08:06] jayde_drag0n: You _should_ be able to use the free drivers. I can't quite work out why they're not working. [08:06]