| kirkland | cjwatson: and the UNRELEASED thing that you do... is that just an accounting mechanism you use to keep track of what's been pushed and what hasn't? | 00:00 |
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| mathiaz | kirkland: it's a way to notifies other devs that it hasnt' been uploaded yet. | 00:00 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: but you still need a way to say that a new release of the package has started and is being worked on. | 00:01 |
| bryce | soren: could you comment on #237164 - these are the kvm xorg.conf bits we added a while back. Are they still needed? Sounds like maybe not. | 00:03 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: k | 00:04 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: i'll do that next time | 00:04 |
| kirkland | bryce: soren's basically on paternity leave | 00:04 |
| bryce | gotcha | 00:04 |
| kirkland | bryce: i'm going to be backing him up on kvm'age | 00:04 |
| bryce | kirkland: cool | 00:04 |
| kirkland | bryce: :-) i guesss | 00:05 |
| kirkland | bryce: no really, i'm looking forward to it, just not sure where to begin..... | 00:05 |
| bryce | kirkland: could you test with kvm if running with no /etc/X11/xorg.conf still allows X to work under kvm correctly? | 00:05 |
| kirkland | bryce: graphical desktop, i presume? | 00:05 |
| bryce | kirkland: righto | 00:05 |
| kirkland | bryce: (that's a joke) | 00:05 |
| kirkland | bryce: i have an old intrepid desktop kvm... let me bring her up to date | 00:06 |
| kirkland | bryce: sweet, only 303 packages to upgrade :-) | 00:09 |
| bryce | hehe | 00:10 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: you haven't documented your VCS-* changes in the debian changelog | 00:13 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: you should also add VCS-Browser to debian/control. | 00:13 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: what is the syntax of this VCS-Browser bit? | 00:14 |
| cjwatson | please don't add vcs-browser. it's a waste of effort. just add vcs-bzr with an http url | 00:14 |
| cjwatson | for example no installer package uses vcs-browser but practically all of them use vcs-bzr. It works fine. | 00:15 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: updated changelog in rev 14; didn't add vcs-browser per cjwatson's input | 00:16 |
| cjwatson | vcs-browser is for vcsen like CVS (and to some extent Subversion) where the browseable URL cannot be mechanically guessed from the vcs url itself | 00:16 |
| cjwatson | see e.g. http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/base-passwd.html (search for VCS) for an example of how this is rendered by the only web UI I know of that parses Vcs-* | 00:20 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: a debdiff between 1.6 and 1.7 shows that one of the changelog entry had its date changed. | 00:21 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:16:41 | 00:21 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: http://paste.ubuntu.com/48433/ | 00:21 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: relic of my semi-manual import of the deb changes into bzr | 00:23 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: wish i had know about the magic import plugin cjwatson mentioned | 00:23 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: okay - that's easy to change then. (I don't have commit access to the branch :p ) | 00:24 |
| kirkland | cjwatson: Keybuk: patch posted to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/272301, tested, silences the error messages that bdmurray reported and i reproduced | 00:31 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 272301 in cryptsetup "udevsettle and init-functions missing from initramfs" [Low,In progress] | 00:31 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: got the upload notice, thanks ;-) | 00:35 |
| NCommander | lamont, hi | 00:36 |
| kirkland | bryce: geez, upgrades on the desktop take a lot longer than on the server :-P | 00:38 |
| kirkland | bryce: upgrading gnome + office = snooze for a while | 00:38 |
| slangasek | mathiaz: if it's a native package, surely the licensing on the packaging should match the licensing of the package as a whole? | 00:42 |
| bryce | kirkland: heh yep | 00:43 |
| sleepster | I would like to add a package to apt.. how do I go about doing that? | 00:43 |
| kirkland | slangasek: it certainly does in this case | 00:44 |
| kirkland | slangasek: misunderstanding on my part, as I was cloning the licensing information from other packages | 00:44 |
| mathiaz | slangasek: sure - to be more precise, do you need to have an explicit note in debian/copyright about the packaging license ? | 00:46 |
| kirkland | Daviey: hiya | 00:46 |
| kirkland | Daviey: saw your ping the other day, sorry i missed you | 00:47 |
| Daviey | kirkland: no worries | 00:50 |
| Daviey | kirkland: you got a mention in the ubuntu uk podcast we recorded tonight.. only brief - but still :) | 00:50 |
| kirkland | Daviey: woohoo :-) | 00:50 |
| cjwatson | mathiaz: personally, I take the line that if the packaging doesn't have an explicit licence then the intent is clearly for it to be under the same licence as the rest of it | 00:51 |
| cjwatson | I have no idea whether this is legally sound ... | 00:52 |
| kirkland | Daviey: regarding? | 00:52 |
| kirkland | bryce: lesson learned.... install from scratch is probably faster than an upgrade | 00:58 |
| kirkland | woohoo, 31st most popular blog of the day on WordPress (GregKH rant response) ... http://botd.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/top-posts-876/ | 01:11 |
| Keybuk | gregkh had a rant? :) | 01:13 |
| elmo | greg who? | 01:14 |
| slangasek | kirkland: so I don't think there needs to be an explicit note about the packaging license, no | 01:23 |
| kirkland | slangasek: thanks, i removed it at mathiaz' request | 01:23 |
| slangasek | elmo: greg "kh", I think his last name is Tajik or something, yes? | 01:24 |
| Keybuk | he looks like lurch from the addams family ;) | 01:25 |
| * slangasek snorts | 01:26 | |
| slangasek | Keybuk: so I'm sure you'll be starting the we-love-gregkh team in LP soon | 01:27 |
| Keybuk | actually I get along with him just fine ;) | 01:27 |
| kirkland | watch it... he might just turn off your usb without warning | 01:28 |
| kirkland | bryce: my desktop kvm is *now* upgraded and dist-upgraded :-) | 01:29 |
| bryce | kirkland: cool | 01:30 |
| kirkland | and now, for my final performance of the evening, i will boot a kvm *without* an xorg.conf.... | 01:30 |
| bryce | kirkland: yay | 01:30 |
| kirkland | followed by partying into the night :-) | 01:30 |
| _Zeus_ | :P | 01:30 |
| kirkland | bryce: gnome came up just fine, though in 800x600 rather than 1024x768 | 01:32 |
| kirkland | for a minor encore, i will attempt to switch resolutions via System->Preferences->Screen Resolution ..... | 01:33 |
| bryce | ok, so sounds like we still need the kvm bits in dexconf | 01:33 |
| kirkland | no love | 01:33 |
| kirkland | bryce: anything else you need at the moment? | 01:34 |
| bryce | nope, that confirms it, thanks | 01:34 |
| kirkland | bryce: np. | 01:34 |
| kirkland | adios all | 01:34 |
| * kirkland turns off his pirate filter | 01:35 | |
| bryce | kirkland: btw bug in question is 237164; I've bumped it over to kvm and closed the xorg task. | 01:38 |
| Keybuk | read 2283 modules : new(0) missing(93) | 01:44 |
| Keybuk | EE: Missing modules (start begging for mercy) | 01:44 |
| Keybuk | *blink* | 01:44 |
| Keybuk | to whom should I beg, and should I go fetch my collar? | 01:46 |
| bryce | heh | 01:57 |
| NCommander | argh | 01:59 |
| NCommander | Someone please hit me | 01:59 |
| NCommander | I'm considering writing a brainf?ck compiler | 01:59 |
| ldp | :| | 02:02 |
| ldp | hehe | 02:02 |
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| YokoZar | Hmm, I'm not registered for ubuntu-users so my email to that list got in the moderator queue, even though I am an Ubuntu developer... | 09:31 |
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| alien | hello, is it known yet what kernel version will be shipped with intrepid? | 12:56 |
| Mez | !info linux-image | 12:57 |
| ubottu | linux-image (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image.. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24.19.21 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB | 12:57 |
| alien | that's hardy | 12:57 |
| Mez | stupid thing doesnt pick up intrepid yet | 12:58 |
| wgrant | !info linux intrepid | 12:58 |
| ubottu | linux (source: linux-meta): Generic complete Linux kernel.. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.27.3.3 (intrepid), package size 2 kB, installed size 32 kB | 12:58 |
| alien | okay, so 2.6.27 | 12:58 |
| wgrant | Yes. | 12:58 |
| alien | great | 12:58 |
| Mez | http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/linux-image | 12:58 |
| wgrant | Mez: It defaults to the latest stable. | 12:58 |
| alien | thanks | 12:59 |
| alien | i was interested if it's going to be greater 2.6.27.5, since my webcam is supported starting with that version | 13:00 |
| wgrant | Erm. | 13:00 |
| alien | and i think we may get to 2.6.27.5 | 13:00 |
| wgrant | 2.6.27 isn't out yet. | 13:00 |
| terminator | I am trying to setup my Geforce FX5200 video card with the nvidia 173 drivers and I get nothing but low video mode. What am I doing wrong? | 14:09 |
| ogra-Q1 | terminator, #ubuntu is the place to ask such questions | 14:10 |
| ogra-Q1 | (see topic) | 14:11 |
| terminator | Sorry new to this irc stuff and don't really know where to go | 14:11 |
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| xfamousbabiiboy_ | hey | 14:50 |
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| Adri2000 | slangasek or another member of the release-team: I know it's week-end, but it would be cool to review the vsftpd FFe asap, so that it gets as much testing as possible | 17:50 |
| poningru | ok so sshfs is kinda broken right now in hardy and intrepid | 19:08 |
| poningru | I can automount sshfs using just fstab | 19:08 |
| poningru | err cant* | 19:08 |
| pitti | hi | 19:29 |
| * sebner winks mighty pitti | 19:29 | |
| * pitti hugs sebner | 19:29 | |
| sebner | :) | 19:30 |
| bryce | heya pitti | 19:33 |
| NCommander | Hey pitti, got a moment to answer a packaging question | 19:38 |
| * NCommander figures you should know | 19:38 | |
| pitti | NCommander: sure | 19:39 |
| NCommander | pitti, if I need to install something with special permissions (i.e. setuid, or something similar), how do I do it so upgrades don't clobber said permissions | 19:39 |
| NCommander | pitti, I assume you do it in post/pre scripts, but I have that gut feeling there has to be a better way | 19:39 |
| pitti | NCommander: two ways really | 19:39 |
| pitti | NCommander: if the owner and group of the file are static (< 100), then you should just do it in debian/rules | 19:40 |
| NCommander | after getting base-files updated, right? | 19:40 |
| pitti | NCommander: i. e. chmod/chown them approprietly and dh_fixperms -X them | 19:40 |
| pitti | NCommander: but if you need to chgrp it to a dynamic system group, the postinst needs to chmod/chown them, after making sure that there is no dpkg-statoverride for the file already | 19:41 |
| pitti | NCommander: base-files? | 19:41 |
| pitti | NCommander: what are you trying to do exactly? | 19:41 |
| NCommander | No | 19:41 |
| NCommander | Question on NM :-) | 19:41 |
| NCommander | I'm not actively packaging anything | 19:41 |
| NCommander | Debian policy manual says that if you need a static group assignment, you need to ask the maintainer of base-files to add it | 19:41 |
| NCommander | er | 19:42 |
| pitti | oh | 19:42 |
| pitti | that's usually not how it's done | 19:42 |
| NCommander | yeah | 19:42 |
| pitti | adding static groups is a PITA | 19:42 |
| NCommander | (there is a big note saying it should be avoided if possible ;-)) | 19:42 |
| pitti | so usually packages create their own system users/groups and chmod in postinst | 19:42 |
| NCommander | Right, that's fine if its dymanic | 19:42 |
| NCommander | (you just need to clear it by the maintainer to make sure that name isn't used anywhere else in the system) | 19:42 |
| NCommander | Thanks :-) | 19:44 |
| * NCommander is one small step closer to DD | 19:44 | |
| NCommander | \o/! | 19:46 |
| NCommander | and once I reach DD status, I shall apply to join Utunbtu | 19:46 |
| * NCommander thinks he spelled that right | 19:46 | |
| Laney | NCommander: utnubu (read it backwards) | 19:55 |
| NCommander | I know its utubu in reverse | 19:56 |
| NCommander | Er | 19:56 |
| NCommander | ... | 19:56 |
| NCommander | ..... | 19:56 |
| * Laney titters | 19:56 | |
| * NCommander takes a gun and shoots his brain | 19:56 | |
| Laney | What do Totem, Banshee and Rhythmbox have in common that they don't with adobe flash and VLC? | 19:57 |
| Laney | (broken sound in the former) | 19:57 |
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| pitti | Laney: gstreamer? | 20:00 |
| pitti | Laney: might be that the former use pulseaudio, while the latter don't | 20:01 |
| Laney | VLC definitely does | 20:01 |
| pecisk | PulseAudio provides ALSA and Esound support, so theoretically Flash and VLC shouldn't care. However Flash is very picky about this. | 20:02 |
| Laney | I had to install vlc-plugin-pulse for it to output sound, but it works now | 20:02 |
| pitti | Laney: try "killall pulseaudio" and restart totem/rb | 20:03 |
| pitti | Laney: didn't you just say that sound worked in vlc, but not in rb? | 20:03 |
| Laney | pitti: Yes, that's right | 20:03 |
| Laney | pitti: Good call, works now | 20:04 |
| NCommander | hey lamont | 20:17 |
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| calc | hello | 21:39 |
| calc | it looks like they aren't expecting to fully fix power in our zip code until after thu sept 25 (so sometime after 2 weeks with no power) | 21:40 |
| xMassi1986x | Hi | 22:41 |
| xMassi1986x | The next release is scheduled for 31 th October? | 22:42 |
| xMassi1986x | ZzZzZzZz | 22:44 |
| bigon | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule | 22:47 |
| Yoghurt^ | xMassi1986x no | 23:00 |
| xMassi1986x | Yoghurt^: wtf? | 23:00 |
| xMassi1986x | Yoghurt^: wtf? | 23:00 |
| Yoghurt^ | the next release will be a beta | 23:01 |
| Yoghurt^ | 2008-10-02 | 23:01 |
| Yoghurt^ | and ubuntu 8.10 will hit the internet 2008-10-30 | 23:01 |
| haker3 | come to #antynonsensopedia | 23:03 |
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