[00:00] cjwatson: and the UNRELEASED thing that you do... is that just an accounting mechanism you use to keep track of what's been pushed and what hasn't? [00:00] kirkland: it's a way to notifies other devs that it hasnt' been uploaded yet. [00:01] kirkland: but you still need a way to say that a new release of the package has started and is being worked on. [00:03] soren: could you comment on #237164 - these are the kvm xorg.conf bits we added a while back. Are they still needed? Sounds like maybe not. [00:04] mathiaz: k [00:04] mathiaz: i'll do that next time [00:04] bryce: soren's basically on paternity leave [00:04] gotcha [00:04] bryce: i'm going to be backing him up on kvm'age [00:04] kirkland: cool [00:05] bryce: :-) i guesss [00:05] bryce: no really, i'm looking forward to it, just not sure where to begin..... [00:05] kirkland: could you test with kvm if running with no /etc/X11/xorg.conf still allows X to work under kvm correctly? [00:05] bryce: graphical desktop, i presume? [00:05] kirkland: righto [00:05] bryce: (that's a joke) [00:06] bryce: i have an old intrepid desktop kvm... let me bring her up to date [00:09] bryce: sweet, only 303 packages to upgrade :-) [00:10] hehe [00:13] kirkland: you haven't documented your VCS-* changes in the debian changelog [00:13] kirkland: you should also add VCS-Browser to debian/control. [00:14] mathiaz: what is the syntax of this VCS-Browser bit? [00:14] please don't add vcs-browser. it's a waste of effort. just add vcs-bzr with an http url [00:15] for example no installer package uses vcs-browser but practically all of them use vcs-bzr. It works fine. [00:16] mathiaz: updated changelog in rev 14; didn't add vcs-browser per cjwatson's input [00:16] vcs-browser is for vcsen like CVS (and to some extent Subversion) where the browseable URL cannot be mechanically guessed from the vcs url itself [00:20] see e.g. http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/base-passwd.html (search for VCS) for an example of how this is rendered by the only web UI I know of that parses Vcs-* [00:21] kirkland: a debdiff between 1.6 and 1.7 shows that one of the changelog entry had its date changed. [00:21] kirkland: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:16:41 [00:21] kirkland: http://paste.ubuntu.com/48433/ [00:23] mathiaz: relic of my semi-manual import of the deb changes into bzr [00:23] mathiaz: wish i had know about the magic import plugin cjwatson mentioned [00:24] kirkland: okay - that's easy to change then. (I don't have commit access to the branch :p ) [00:31] cjwatson: Keybuk: patch posted to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/272301, tested, silences the error messages that bdmurray reported and i reproduced [00:31] Launchpad bug 272301 in cryptsetup "udevsettle and init-functions missing from initramfs" [Low,In progress] [00:35] mathiaz: got the upload notice, thanks ;-) [00:36] lamont, hi [00:38] bryce: geez, upgrades on the desktop take a lot longer than on the server :-P [00:38] bryce: upgrading gnome + office = snooze for a while [00:42] mathiaz: if it's a native package, surely the licensing on the packaging should match the licensing of the package as a whole? [00:43] kirkland: heh yep [00:43] I would like to add a package to apt.. how do I go about doing that? [00:44] slangasek: it certainly does in this case [00:44] slangasek: misunderstanding on my part, as I was cloning the licensing information from other packages [00:46] slangasek: sure - to be more precise, do you need to have an explicit note in debian/copyright about the packaging license ? [00:46] Daviey: hiya [00:47] Daviey: saw your ping the other day, sorry i missed you [00:50] kirkland: no worries [00:50] kirkland: you got a mention in the ubuntu uk podcast we recorded tonight.. only brief - but still :) [00:50] Daviey: woohoo :-) [00:51] mathiaz: personally, I take the line that if the packaging doesn't have an explicit licence then the intent is clearly for it to be under the same licence as the rest of it [00:52] I have no idea whether this is legally sound ... [00:52] Daviey: regarding? [00:58] bryce: lesson learned.... install from scratch is probably faster than an upgrade [01:11] woohoo, 31st most popular blog of the day on WordPress (GregKH rant response) ... http://botd.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/top-posts-876/ [01:13] gregkh had a rant? :) [01:14] greg who? [01:23] kirkland: so I don't think there needs to be an explicit note about the packaging license, no [01:23] slangasek: thanks, i removed it at mathiaz' request [01:24] elmo: greg "kh", I think his last name is Tajik or something, yes? [01:25] he looks like lurch from the addams family ;) [01:26] * slangasek snorts [01:27] Keybuk: so I'm sure you'll be starting the we-love-gregkh team in LP soon [01:27] actually I get along with him just fine ;) [01:28] watch it... he might just turn off your usb without warning [01:29] bryce: my desktop kvm is *now* upgraded and dist-upgraded :-) [01:30] kirkland: cool [01:30] and now, for my final performance of the evening, i will boot a kvm *without* an xorg.conf.... [01:30] kirkland: yay [01:30] followed by partying into the night :-) [01:30] <_Zeus_> :P [01:32] bryce: gnome came up just fine, though in 800x600 rather than 1024x768 [01:33] for a minor encore, i will attempt to switch resolutions via System->Preferences->Screen Resolution ..... [01:33] ok, so sounds like we still need the kvm bits in dexconf [01:33] no love [01:34] bryce: anything else you need at the moment? [01:34] nope, that confirms it, thanks [01:34] bryce: np. [01:34] adios all [01:35] * kirkland turns off his pirate filter [01:38] kirkland: btw bug in question is 237164; I've bumped it over to kvm and closed the xorg task. [01:44] read 2283 modules : new(0) missing(93) [01:44] EE: Missing modules (start begging for mercy) [01:44] *blink* [01:46] to whom should I beg, and should I go fetch my collar? [01:57] heh [01:59] argh [01:59] Someone please hit me [01:59] I'm considering writing a brainf?ck compiler [02:02] :| [02:02] hehe === superm1|away is now known as superm1 === asac_ is now known as asac === superm1 is now known as superm1|away [09:31] Hmm, I'm not registered for ubuntu-users so my email to that list got in the moderator queue, even though I am an Ubuntu developer... === asac_ is now known as asac === didrocks_ is now known as didrocks [12:56] hello, is it known yet what kernel version will be shipped with intrepid? [12:57] !info linux-image [12:57] linux-image (source: linux-meta): Generic Linux kernel image.. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24.19.21 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB [12:57] that's hardy [12:58] stupid thing doesnt pick up intrepid yet [12:58] !info linux intrepid [12:58] linux (source: linux-meta): Generic complete Linux kernel.. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.27.3.3 (intrepid), package size 2 kB, installed size 32 kB [12:58] okay, so 2.6.27 [12:58] Yes. [12:58] great [12:58] http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/linux-image [12:58] Mez: It defaults to the latest stable. [12:59] thanks [13:00] i was interested if it's going to be greater 2.6.27.5, since my webcam is supported starting with that version [13:00] Erm. [13:00] and i think we may get to 2.6.27.5 [13:00] 2.6.27 isn't out yet. [14:09] I am trying to setup my Geforce FX5200 video card with the nvidia 173 drivers and I get nothing but low video mode. What am I doing wrong? [14:10] terminator, #ubuntu is the place to ask such questions [14:11] (see topic) [14:11] Sorry new to this irc stuff and don't really know where to go === elky is now known as elkbuntu [14:50] hey === superm1|away is now known as superm1 [17:50] slangasek or another member of the release-team: I know it's week-end, but it would be cool to review the vsftpd FFe asap, so that it gets as much testing as possible [19:08] ok so sshfs is kinda broken right now in hardy and intrepid [19:08] I can automount sshfs using just fstab [19:08] err cant* [19:29] hi [19:29] * sebner winks mighty pitti [19:29] * pitti hugs sebner [19:30] :) [19:33] heya pitti [19:38] Hey pitti, got a moment to answer a packaging question [19:38] * NCommander figures you should know [19:39] NCommander: sure [19:39] pitti, if I need to install something with special permissions (i.e. setuid, or something similar), how do I do it so upgrades don't clobber said permissions [19:39] pitti, I assume you do it in post/pre scripts, but I have that gut feeling there has to be a better way [19:39] NCommander: two ways really [19:40] NCommander: if the owner and group of the file are static (< 100), then you should just do it in debian/rules [19:40] after getting base-files updated, right? [19:40] NCommander: i. e. chmod/chown them approprietly and dh_fixperms -X them [19:41] NCommander: but if you need to chgrp it to a dynamic system group, the postinst needs to chmod/chown them, after making sure that there is no dpkg-statoverride for the file already [19:41] NCommander: base-files? [19:41] NCommander: what are you trying to do exactly? [19:41] No [19:41] Question on NM :-) [19:41] I'm not actively packaging anything [19:41] Debian policy manual says that if you need a static group assignment, you need to ask the maintainer of base-files to add it [19:42] er [19:42] oh [19:42] that's usually not how it's done [19:42] yeah [19:42] adding static groups is a PITA [19:42] (there is a big note saying it should be avoided if possible ;-)) [19:42] so usually packages create their own system users/groups and chmod in postinst [19:42] Right, that's fine if its dymanic [19:42] (you just need to clear it by the maintainer to make sure that name isn't used anywhere else in the system) [19:44] Thanks :-) [19:44] * NCommander is one small step closer to DD [19:46] \o/! [19:46] and once I reach DD status, I shall apply to join Utunbtu [19:46] * NCommander thinks he spelled that right [19:55] NCommander: utnubu (read it backwards) [19:56] I know its utubu in reverse [19:56] Er [19:56] ... [19:56] ..... [19:56] * Laney titters [19:56] * NCommander takes a gun and shoots his brain [19:57] What do Totem, Banshee and Rhythmbox have in common that they don't with adobe flash and VLC? [19:57] (broken sound in the former) === LucidFox_ is now known as LucidFox [20:00] Laney: gstreamer? [20:01] Laney: might be that the former use pulseaudio, while the latter don't [20:01] VLC definitely does [20:02] PulseAudio provides ALSA and Esound support, so theoretically Flash and VLC shouldn't care. However Flash is very picky about this. [20:02] I had to install vlc-plugin-pulse for it to output sound, but it works now [20:03] Laney: try "killall pulseaudio" and restart totem/rb [20:03] Laney: didn't you just say that sound worked in vlc, but not in rb? [20:03] pitti: Yes, that's right [20:04] pitti: Good call, works now [20:17] hey lamont === njpatel_ is now known as jpatel === jpatel is now known as njpatel [21:39] hello [21:40] it looks like they aren't expecting to fully fix power in our zip code until after thu sept 25 (so sometime after 2 weeks with no power) [22:41] Hi [22:42] The next release is scheduled for 31 th October? [22:44] ZzZzZzZz [22:47] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule [23:00] xMassi1986x no [23:00] Yoghurt^: wtf? [23:00] Yoghurt^: wtf? [23:01] the next release will be a beta [23:01] 2008-10-02 [23:01] and ubuntu 8.10 will hit the internet 2008-10-30 [23:03] come to #antynonsensopedia