[00:00] <kirkland> cjwatson: and the UNRELEASED thing that you do... is that just an accounting mechanism you use to keep track of what's been pushed and what hasn't?
[00:00] <mathiaz> kirkland: it's a way to notifies other devs that it hasnt' been uploaded yet.
[00:01] <mathiaz> kirkland: but you still need a way to say that a new release of the package has started and is being worked on.
[00:03] <bryce> soren: could you comment on #237164 - these are the kvm xorg.conf bits we added a while back.  Are they still needed?  Sounds like maybe not.
[00:04] <kirkland> mathiaz: k
[00:04] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'll do that next time
[00:04] <kirkland> bryce: soren's basically on paternity leave
[00:04] <bryce> gotcha
[00:04] <kirkland> bryce: i'm going to be backing him up on kvm'age
[00:04] <bryce> kirkland: cool
[00:05] <kirkland> bryce: :-)  i guesss
[00:05] <kirkland> bryce: no really, i'm looking forward to it, just not sure where to begin.....
[00:05] <bryce> kirkland: could you test with kvm if running with no /etc/X11/xorg.conf still allows X to work under kvm correctly?
[00:05] <kirkland> bryce: graphical desktop, i presume?
[00:05] <bryce> kirkland: righto
[00:05] <kirkland> bryce: (that's a joke)
[00:06] <kirkland> bryce: i have an old intrepid desktop kvm... let me bring her up to date
[00:09] <kirkland> bryce: sweet, only 303 packages to upgrade :-)
[00:10] <bryce> hehe
[00:13] <mathiaz> kirkland: you haven't documented your VCS-* changes in the debian changelog
[00:13] <mathiaz> kirkland: you should also add VCS-Browser to debian/control.
[00:14] <kirkland> mathiaz: what is the syntax of this VCS-Browser bit?
[00:14] <cjwatson> please don't add vcs-browser. it's a waste of effort. just add vcs-bzr with an http url
[00:15] <cjwatson> for example no installer package uses vcs-browser but practically all of them use vcs-bzr. It works fine.
[00:16] <kirkland> mathiaz: updated changelog in rev 14; didn't add vcs-browser per cjwatson's input
[00:16] <cjwatson> vcs-browser is for vcsen like CVS (and to some extent Subversion) where the browseable URL cannot be mechanically guessed from the vcs url itself
[00:20] <cjwatson> see e.g. http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/base-passwd.html (search for VCS) for an example of how this is rendered by the only web UI I know of that parses Vcs-*
[00:21] <mathiaz> kirkland: a debdiff between 1.6 and 1.7 shows that one of the changelog entry had its date changed.
[00:21] <mathiaz> kirkland: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:16:41
[00:21] <mathiaz> kirkland: http://paste.ubuntu.com/48433/
[00:23] <kirkland> mathiaz: relic of my semi-manual import of the deb changes into bzr
[00:23] <kirkland> mathiaz: wish i had know about the magic import plugin cjwatson mentioned
[00:24] <mathiaz> kirkland: okay -  that's easy to change then. (I don't have commit access to the branch :p )
[00:31] <kirkland> cjwatson: Keybuk: patch posted to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cryptsetup/+bug/272301, tested, silences the error messages that bdmurray reported and i reproduced
[00:35] <kirkland> mathiaz: got the upload notice, thanks ;-)
[00:36] <NCommander> lamont, hi
[00:38] <kirkland> bryce: geez, upgrades on the desktop take a lot longer than on the server :-P
[00:38] <kirkland> bryce: upgrading gnome + office = snooze for a while
[00:42] <slangasek> mathiaz: if it's a native package, surely the licensing on the packaging should match the licensing of the package as a whole?
[00:43] <bryce> kirkland: heh yep
[00:43] <sleepster> I would like to add a package to apt.. how do I go about doing that?
[00:44] <kirkland> slangasek: it certainly does in this case
[00:44] <kirkland> slangasek: misunderstanding on my part, as I was cloning the licensing information from other packages
[00:46] <mathiaz> slangasek: sure - to be more precise, do you need to have an explicit note in debian/copyright about the packaging license ?
[00:46] <kirkland> Daviey: hiya
[00:47] <kirkland> Daviey: saw your ping the other day, sorry i missed you
[00:50] <Daviey> kirkland: no worries
[00:50] <Daviey> kirkland: you got a mention in the ubuntu uk podcast we recorded tonight.. only brief - but still :)
[00:50] <kirkland> Daviey: woohoo :-)
[00:51] <cjwatson> mathiaz: personally, I take the line that if the packaging doesn't have an explicit licence then the intent is clearly for it to be under the same licence as the rest of it
[00:52] <cjwatson> I have no idea whether this is legally sound ...
[00:52] <kirkland> Daviey: regarding?
[00:58] <kirkland> bryce: lesson learned....  install from scratch is probably faster than an upgrade
[01:11] <kirkland> woohoo, 31st most popular blog of the day on WordPress (GregKH rant response) ...  http://botd.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/top-posts-876/
[01:13] <Keybuk> gregkh had a rant? :)
[01:14] <elmo> greg who?
[01:23] <slangasek> kirkland: so I don't think there needs to be an explicit note about the packaging license, no
[01:23] <kirkland> slangasek: thanks, i removed it at mathiaz' request
[01:24] <slangasek> elmo: greg "kh", I think his last name is Tajik or something, yes?
[01:25] <Keybuk> he looks like lurch from the addams family ;)
[01:26]  * slangasek snorts
[01:27] <slangasek> Keybuk: so I'm sure you'll be starting the we-love-gregkh team in LP soon
[01:27] <Keybuk> actually I get along with him just fine ;)
[01:28] <kirkland> watch it...  he might just turn off your usb without warning
[01:29] <kirkland> bryce: my desktop kvm is *now* upgraded and dist-upgraded :-)
[01:30] <bryce> kirkland: cool
[01:30] <kirkland> and now, for my final performance of the evening, i will boot a kvm *without* an xorg.conf....
[01:30] <bryce> kirkland: yay
[01:30] <kirkland> followed by partying into the night :-)
[01:30] <_Zeus_> :P
[01:32] <kirkland> bryce: gnome came up just fine, though in 800x600 rather than 1024x768
[01:33] <kirkland> for a minor encore, i will attempt to switch resolutions via System->Preferences->Screen Resolution .....
[01:33] <bryce> ok, so sounds like we still need the kvm bits in dexconf
[01:33] <kirkland> no love
[01:34] <kirkland> bryce: anything else you need at the moment?
[01:34] <bryce> nope, that confirms it, thanks
[01:34] <kirkland> bryce: np.
[01:34] <kirkland> adios all
[01:35]  * kirkland turns off his pirate filter
[01:38] <bryce> kirkland: btw bug in question is 237164; I've bumped it over to kvm and closed the xorg task.
[01:44] <Keybuk>       read 2283 modules : new(0)  missing(93)
[01:44] <Keybuk> EE: Missing modules (start begging for mercy)
[01:44] <Keybuk> *blink*
[01:46] <Keybuk> to whom should I beg, and should I go fetch my collar?
[01:57] <bryce> heh
[01:59] <NCommander> argh
[01:59] <NCommander> Someone please hit me
[01:59] <NCommander> I'm considering writing a brainf?ck compiler
[02:02] <ldp> :|
[02:02] <ldp> hehe
[09:31] <YokoZar> Hmm, I'm not registered for ubuntu-users so my email to that list got in the moderator queue, even though I am an Ubuntu developer...
[12:56] <alien> hello, is it known yet what kernel version will be shipped with intrepid?
[12:57] <Mez> !info linux-image
[12:57] <alien> that's hardy
[12:58] <Mez> stupid thing doesnt pick up intrepid yet
[12:58] <wgrant> !info linux intrepid
[12:58] <alien> okay, so 2.6.27
[12:58] <wgrant> Yes.
[12:58] <alien> great
[12:58] <Mez> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/linux-image
[12:58] <wgrant> Mez: It defaults to the latest stable.
[12:59] <alien> thanks
[13:00] <alien> i was interested if it's going to be greater 2.6.27.5, since my webcam is supported starting with that version
[13:00] <wgrant> Erm.
[13:00] <alien> and i think we may get to 2.6.27.5
[13:00] <wgrant> 2.6.27 isn't out yet.
[14:09] <terminator> I am trying to setup my Geforce FX5200 video card with the nvidia 173 drivers and I get nothing but low video mode.  What am I doing wrong?
[14:10] <ogra-Q1> terminator, #ubuntu is the place to ask such questions
[14:11] <ogra-Q1> (see topic)
[14:11] <terminator> Sorry new to this irc stuff and don't really know where to go
[14:50] <xfamousbabiiboy_> hey
[17:50] <Adri2000> slangasek or another member of the release-team: I know it's week-end, but it would be cool to review the vsftpd FFe asap, so that it gets as much testing as possible
[19:08] <poningru> ok so sshfs is kinda broken right now in hardy and intrepid
[19:08] <poningru> I can automount sshfs using just fstab
[19:08] <poningru> err cant*
[19:29] <pitti> hi
[19:29]  * sebner winks mighty pitti 
[19:29]  * pitti hugs sebner
[19:30] <sebner> :)
[19:33] <bryce> heya pitti
[19:38] <NCommander> Hey pitti, got a moment to answer a packaging question
[19:38]  * NCommander figures you should know
[19:39] <pitti> NCommander: sure
[19:39] <NCommander> pitti, if I need to install something with special permissions (i.e. setuid, or something similar), how do I do it so upgrades don't clobber said permissions
[19:39] <NCommander> pitti, I assume you do it in post/pre scripts, but I have that gut feeling there has to be a better way
[19:39] <pitti> NCommander: two ways really
[19:40] <pitti> NCommander: if the owner and group of the file are static (< 100), then you should just do it in debian/rules
[19:40] <NCommander> after getting base-files updated, right?
[19:40] <pitti> NCommander: i. e. chmod/chown them approprietly and dh_fixperms -X them
[19:41] <pitti> NCommander: but if you need to chgrp it to a dynamic system group, the postinst needs to chmod/chown them, after making sure that there is no dpkg-statoverride for the file already
[19:41] <pitti> NCommander: base-files?
[19:41] <pitti> NCommander: what are you trying to do exactly?
[19:41] <NCommander> No
[19:41] <NCommander> Question on NM :-)
[19:41] <NCommander> I'm not actively packaging anything
[19:41] <NCommander> Debian policy manual says that if you need a static group assignment, you need to ask the maintainer of base-files to add it
[19:42] <NCommander> er
[19:42] <pitti> oh
[19:42] <pitti> that's usually not how it's done
[19:42] <NCommander> yeah
[19:42] <pitti> adding static groups is a PITA
[19:42] <NCommander> (there is a big note saying it should be avoided if possible ;-))
[19:42] <pitti> so usually packages create their own system users/groups and chmod in postinst
[19:42] <NCommander> Right, that's fine if its dymanic
[19:42] <NCommander> (you just need to clear it by the maintainer to make sure that name isn't used anywhere else in the system)
[19:44] <NCommander> Thanks :-)
[19:44]  * NCommander is one small step closer to DD
[19:46] <NCommander> \o/!
[19:46] <NCommander> and once I reach DD status, I shall apply to join Utunbtu
[19:46]  * NCommander thinks he spelled that right
[19:55] <Laney> NCommander: utnubu (read it backwards)
[19:56] <NCommander> I know its utubu in reverse
[19:56] <NCommander> Er
[19:56] <NCommander> ...
[19:56] <NCommander> .....
[19:56]  * Laney titters
[19:56]  * NCommander takes a gun and shoots his brain
[19:57] <Laney> What do Totem, Banshee and Rhythmbox have in common that they don't with adobe flash and VLC?
[19:57] <Laney> (broken sound in the former)
[20:00] <pitti> Laney: gstreamer?
[20:01] <pitti> Laney: might be that the former use pulseaudio, while the latter don't
[20:01] <Laney> VLC definitely does
[20:02] <pecisk> PulseAudio provides ALSA and Esound support, so theoretically Flash and VLC shouldn't care. However Flash is very picky about this.
[20:02] <Laney> I had to install vlc-plugin-pulse for it to output sound, but it works now
[20:03] <pitti> Laney: try "killall pulseaudio" and restart totem/rb
[20:03] <pitti> Laney: didn't you just say that sound worked in vlc, but not in rb?
[20:03] <Laney> pitti: Yes, that's right
[20:04] <Laney> pitti: Good call, works now
[20:17] <NCommander> hey lamont
[21:39] <calc> hello
[21:40] <calc> it looks like they aren't expecting to fully fix power in our zip code until after thu sept 25 (so sometime after 2 weeks with no power)
[22:41] <xMassi1986x> Hi
[22:42] <xMassi1986x> The next release is scheduled for 31 th October?
[22:44] <xMassi1986x> ZzZzZzZz
[22:47] <bigon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[23:00] <Yoghurt^> xMassi1986x no
[23:00] <xMassi1986x> Yoghurt^: wtf?
[23:00] <xMassi1986x> Yoghurt^: wtf?
[23:01] <Yoghurt^> the next release will be a beta
[23:01] <Yoghurt^> 2008-10-02
[23:01] <Yoghurt^> and ubuntu 8.10 will hit the internet 2008-10-30
[23:03] <haker3> come to #antynonsensopedia