[00:10] <RyanPrior> Where can I get information on what the final theme / artwork will be for Intrepid?
[00:12]  * JontheEchidna grabs his crystal ball
[00:15] <kent> human?  :)
[00:23] <zniavre> human-murrine ?
[00:44] <charlie-tca> Is anyone having issues with connecting using static IP address?
[00:44] <charlie-tca> I tested Xubuntu Alpha 6 on two systems, and can't even ping my server
[00:45] <Jordan_U> How can I completely remove kubuntu-desktop?
[00:45] <Pici> !puregnome
[00:45] <Jordan_U> charlie-tca: How are you connecting with a static IP, via network-manager?
[00:46] <Jordan_U> Pici: Doesn't work for intrepid / KDE4
[00:46] <charlie-tca> I tried to, but it won't let me enter static IP
[00:46] <charlie-tca> Do I need to remove network manager?
[00:46] <Pici> Jordan_U: :/ sorry.
[00:46] <Jordan_U> charlie-tca: In what way does it not let you? no
[00:47] <charlie-tca> When I click to add a new connection, click on manual, OK greys out and never comes back
[00:47] <charlie-tca> Even if I try to edit the existing Auto eth0 it does it
[00:47] <Jordan_U> charlie-tca: Did you fill in all of the required fields?
[00:47] <charlie-tca> Yes, all the fields including route
[00:48] <charlie-tca> /etc/network/interfaces shows the static connection, too, with all the information
[00:48] <iddo> how can i prevent seahorse from revealing empathy gtalk password?
[00:49] <Jordan_U> charlie-tca: Please file a bug report
[00:49] <charlie-tca> Okay, against Network Manager?
[00:50] <Jordan_U> charlie-tca: I am not sure, since you say that your /etc/network/interfaces also isn't getting the job done, but the package is just a "suggestion" anyway, and network-manager is a good place to start
[00:50] <charlie-tca> Okay. I'll go do that. Thanks!
[01:37] <jadams_> does intrepid have 3d support for ati cards yet?
[01:48] <crdlb> jadams_: for ones supported by the radeon driver
[01:50] <jadams_> crdlb, I have an X1200 / RS690, so it looks like I'm 2d only under radeon: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[01:51] <crdlb> nope, it should work in intrepid
[01:51] <jadams_> cool.  I'm updating right now, a week or two ago it wasn't working.
[01:52] <crdlb> hmm
[01:52] <jadams_> I'm running intrepid atm
[01:52] <jadams_> the X1200 is a particularly vile graphics card, to be honest
[01:52] <jadams_> mine's an X1250 I think
[02:01] <jadams_> I have a question, but I have more of a procedural question (teach a man to fish and whatnot)
[02:01] <jadams_> I want to know what version of the gimp is current with intrepid, but in general I want to know how I should check what version of package X is current with intrepid
[02:01] <jadams_> so I don't have to ask people stupid questions
[02:06] <crdlb> jadams_: you can use https://launchpad.net/ubuntu
[02:09] <x1250> jadams_, or http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[02:09] <jadams_> thanks
[02:17] <crdlb> the problem with packages.ubuntu.com is that it's only updated once a day
[02:17] <jadams_> I just want gimp 2.5 to hit intrepid
[02:18] <jadams_> or gimp with GEGL, whatever
[02:18] <jadams_> I've been waiting on GEGL for what seems like forever, and the little bit I've seen integrated so far into the GIMP is making me supremely happy
[02:19] <morsch> Hi. I'm in the live CD right now. I want to install on to an existing ext3 partition. I moved all the important files (/home etc)on the partition into a subdirectory (/oldsys)... I selected manual partitioning and to NOT format the drive. Now it's warning me that existing directories containing system files ("/etc, /lib, /usr, ...") will be deleted during the install... Can I go through with this without it touching /oldsys?
[02:20] <_Zeus_> morsch: i really don't think that's a good idea
[02:20] <crdlb> morsch: no
[02:20] <Jordan_U> morsch: I think so, but I wouldn't bet unbacked up files on it
[02:20] <_Zeus_> i don't think that's wise
[02:20] <_Zeus_> you'll be left with the files that got removed in that version
[02:21] <crdlb> you'd be better off just upgrading via update-manager
[02:21] <morsch> the root folder is basically empty apart from /oldsys at this point...
[02:21] <crdlb> if the existing install is hardy
[02:21] <morsch> damn
[02:22] <morsch> yeah it is... or rather was, I think going back will be rather painful after the moving around of folders I did earlier
[02:22] <morsch> but I really, really want to do a clean install and not (another) dist-upgrade
[02:22] <crdlb> you absolutely should have a backup of all important files on another HDD before using the intrepid installer in any mode
[02:22] <x1250> You have all in one partition, did a backup for your old system in /oldsys, and then installed telling to not format? I dont see a problem.
[02:23] <crdlb> you could try it I guess, but only if you have a backup of everything in /oldsys
[02:23] <morsch> I'll try backing it up to another partition, but it's sooo much data... I'm sure I could lose a lot of it, but wading through it would take forever ;)
[02:24] <_Zeus_> morsch: i wouldn't update to intrepid if you have no backup and valuable files
[02:24] <morsch> okay
[02:30] <mn> How do I get II, and how do I update my GNOME in HH?
[02:37] <mn> How glitchy is alpha 6?
[02:40] <JaseX> Hello.
[02:42] <jrib> mn: *alpha*  = "use if you do not mind your computer exploding"
[02:42] <JaseX> I was wondering if I could obtain some info pertaining to Ibex...
[02:43] <jrib> JaseX: just ask the question!
[02:43] <mn> jrib: is it really that bad?  surely it's not too much worse than what the beta will be?
[02:43] <mn> !anyone
[02:43] <JaseX> Yes okay.
[02:43] <x1250> mn, it works fine here. You can search the intrepid ibex ubuntu forum to get a rough idea of possible problems.
[02:43] <JaseX> I just upgraded from Heron to Ibex... and now I cannot access my TTYs using the new kernel...
[02:43] <jrib> mn: it's not bad, but with updates still going on, anything can happen.   I wouldn't rely on a system with intrepid for anything other than helping develop intrepid to be honest
[02:43] <JaseX> Thus I cannot kill GDM to install Nvidia graphics
[02:44] <JaseX> Envy crashes... and I'd prefer not to use it anyways.
[02:44] <jrib> JaseX: why aren't you using system -> administration -> hardware drivers?
[02:45] <mn> Will I be able to return to HH if I don't like II?
[02:45] <x1250> mn, nope, unless that you reinstall
[02:46] <mn> ooo, I don't really think I wanna go for it then
[02:46] <x1250> :P
[02:46] <mn> How about the beta?  Will that have a possibility to break your system too?
[02:46] <jrib> mn: if you just want to try out gnome, use a livecd
[02:47] <mn> I have gnome
[02:47] <mn> and kde
[02:47] <jrib> mn: you were asking about the newer version right?
[02:47] <JaseX> I thought it was better to use the actual nvidia driver...
[02:47] <JaseX> =/
[02:47] <jrib> JaseX: why?
[02:47] <JaseX> Someone told me that.
[02:47] <JaseX> =/
[02:47] <teethdood> I remember a while back in 7.04 production. An update ruined it for a lot of ppl for 3 days
[02:47] <JaseX> Either way I don't have TTYs
[02:47] <JaseX> just flashing ascii junk
[02:48] <mn> jrib:  Oh, yeah.  That's true.  Is there any way to get the new gnome on hardy?
[02:48] <x1250> mn, sure, anything is possible when the user base is small. Not all bugs can be discovered.
[02:48] <jrib> JaseX: true, I don't know about that.  The benefits to using Hardware Drivers is your X doesn't break everytime you upgrade your kernel like it does if you install the drivers manually
[02:48] <JaseX> So that's the only difference?
[02:49] <larson9999> relatively speaking is ibex about where ubuntu release usually are in terms of stability at this stage?
[02:49] <jrib> JaseX: eventually the versions will be different
[02:49] <x1250> mn, thats asking for big trouble I guess.
[02:49] <mn> jrib:  So if I installed drivers with ndiswrapper, my X will break on upgrade to II?
[02:49] <jrib> mn: no
[02:49] <jrib> mn: only with the binary nvidia ones
[02:50] <mn> oh, ok
[02:50] <djbender> larson9999: alpha is alpha, aka not ready for production machines
[02:50] <mn> Oh, well I guess to satisfy my curiosity I'll go download the Alpha 6 and burn it to a cd to see what it's like
[02:51] <djbender> mn, i've had alpha-6 on my desktop and laptop and they've been fine, it didn't like my older hardware work machine tho.
[02:51] <JaseX> So... just use the ones ubuntu provides?
[02:51] <larson9999> djbender, sure.  that's why i asked in relation to normal ubuntu releases.  and all alpha's aren't create equal.
[02:51] <JaseX> it chooses not to configure the xserver properly though
[02:52] <djbender> larson9999, someone more experienced than me would have to answer your question then ;-)
[02:52] <JaseX> Whereas I never have fail with the manually installed ones.
[03:00] <JaseX> Hmm
[03:00] <JaseX> So no apparent reason why I might see random ascii color crap?
[03:01] <JaseX> and not be able to ask my TTYs
[03:01] <EvilDaemon> Well, I like Alpha 6. :-)
[03:01] <JaseX> I do too...
[03:01] <EvilDaemon> Haven't found anything wrong yet
[03:01] <JaseX> Minus lack of TTYs
[03:01] <JaseX> Speaking of which I need to re-install USP
[03:02] <mn> One last question about bugs of Alpha 6.   Has anyone here found any major bugs on Alpha 6 (system-breaking bugs, etc.)?
[03:03] <djbender> ...lol
[03:03] <JaseX> kind of mn.
[03:04] <JaseX> I get a kernel panic ocassionally while starting up.
[03:04] <JaseX> Seems related to my TTY problem.
[03:04] <JaseX> I dunno.
[03:04] <mn> djbender:  I know im kinda beatin a dead horse, but I can't help it.
[03:04] <mn> JaseX:  What do you do to stop the kernel panic.  Reboot?
[03:05] <JaseX> Yeah...
[03:05]  * mn would like to see a kernel panic.  Just not one that breaks the system.
[03:05] <JaseX> I had to re-install the kernel to solve it.
[03:05] <JaseX> Just booted into 2.26.24
[03:06] <mn> were you in 2.26.27 before?
[03:06] <JaseX> had no idea why the original one had a kernel panic.
[03:06] <JaseX> Yeah.
[03:06] <JaseX> Just re-installed
[03:06] <JaseX> I think it had something to do with the wireless or something.
[03:06] <mn> How'd you re-install a different kernel?
[03:06] <JaseX> I didn't... I just went into the old kernel...
[03:07] <JaseX> and purged .27
[03:07] <JaseX> and installed again.
[03:07] <mn> Oh, so you kept both kernels.  How'd you purge it?
[03:07] <JaseX> I just used synaptic.
[03:08] <JaseX> and hit purge to all instances mentioning 2.26.27 and hit apply
[03:08] <JaseX> and re-marked all of it, and installed again.
[03:08] <JaseX> been fine since.
[03:09] <mn> Oh, so if I upgrade and something fails in intrepid, I can just revert to the old kernel as long as it's the OS and not the GUI, app, etc?
[03:09] <JaseX> it should keep your old kernel in the list.
[03:10] <JaseX> and it will also add a last working boot option.
[03:10] <mn> JaseX: on GRUB?
[03:11] <JaseX> Yes.
[03:11] <JaseX> Not sure if you use LiLo though.
[03:14] <JaseX> Hmm, still awaiting some input on my color ascii junk I'm receiving when I press alt+f1~6
[03:14] <mn> I use GRUB.  Hrmm, I can't decide.   "To upgrade, or not to upgrade; that is the question."
[03:14] <JaseX> mn... why not just wait :D
[03:14] <JaseX> It'll be released fully soon, and less things to worry about being broken.
[03:14] <mn> JaseX:  I know it would be safer to wait, but I'm very curious.
[03:15] <mn> It's still a month and a half till final release
[03:15] <ezeki3l> guys, do you what's going on with samba? i can't make a user 'root' account that access entire /
[03:15] <JaseX> It's not that much different yet :D
[03:16] <ezeki3l> and i have commented out the disabled users line, for 'root'
[03:16] <geoilocate> is this the right channel to post ubuntu server questions
[03:16] <mn> JaseX: from hardy?
[03:16] <JaseX> yeah... it'd be better to wait.
[03:17] <JaseX> geoilocate: I do not believe so.
[03:17] <JaseX> This is for the Intrepid Ibex pre-release development.
[03:17] <wgrant> We need as much testing as we can get, and trying a live CD is a safe way to do it.
[03:17] <wgrant> If you don't depend on your system being completely stable, you can try to upgrade it.
[03:17] <JaseX> mn, if your computer is critical to your every day tasks... i would recommend against it.
[03:17] <wgrant> (if you know what you're doing and can unbreak things)
[03:17] <wgrant> Of course.
[03:17] <JaseX> and just use a virtual machine/livecd
[03:18] <geoilocate> Jasex: downloaded an iso for Intrepid Ibex but the server version
[03:18] <mn> But I got limited bandwith.  Getting a full .iso would take way more band width than an upgrade
[03:18] <wgrant> Testing live CDs on every bit of hardware you can get your hands on is useful, particularly considering the new kernel.
[03:18] <JaseX> Ah... so you're looking for help on Intrepid Ibex then?
[03:18] <wgrant> mn: Not necessarily.
[03:18] <JaseX> mn trust me
[03:18] <geeter> which reminds me to keep growing this list of ALSA quirks.  Sigh.  It just never ends.
[03:19] <mn> JaseX: alright
[03:19] <wgrant> Depending on the desktop CD's compression, it may be smaller (and more than likely faster) than upgrading.
[03:19] <mn> wgrant: really?
[03:19] <mn> it's about 566 MB
[03:19] <mn> the .iso is
[03:19] <wgrant> That's a bit on the small side...
[03:20] <wgrant> It should be ~700MB.
[03:20] <wgrant> -rw-r--r--  1 william william 696M 2008-09-20 09:21 intrepid-desktop-i386.iso
[03:21] <geoilocate> JaseX: yes, on installing as a guest OS and when need to reboot get this error "unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU
[03:21] <wgrant> geoilocate: You're not trying to install amd64 onto i386 hardware, are you?
[03:21] <wgrant> Or i386 onto some old pre-i686 hardware?
[03:21] <wgrant> Which version?
[03:22] <mn> wgrant:  you're right.  sorry, i was thinking of Xubuntu being 566 MB.  Would an upgrade take more than 700 MB?
[03:22] <wgrant> mn: Most packages will be upgraded, so it would be similar for a default installation.
[03:22] <geoilocate> JaseX: wgrant: no using Alpha 6
[03:22] <wgrant> mn: Plus you probably have extra stuff installed, which would make it larger.
[03:22] <wgrant> geoilocate: What are you trying to do?
[03:23] <mn> wgrant:  mm ok.  then liveCD it is
[03:23] <wgrant> crimsun_: Strange nick.
[03:23] <crimsun_> yeah, wack defaults here.
[03:23] <JaseX_> mn... did you get my posts?
[03:23] <JaseX_> 693mb for a cd
[03:23] <JaseX_> 845 mb for update-manager -d
[03:23] <wgrant> 12:18:44 < JaseX> mn trust me
[03:23] <JaseX_> :D
[03:23] <wgrant> JaseX_: That's the last we got.
[03:23] <geoilocate> wgrant: using VirtualBox 2.02 and trying to instal alpha6
[03:24] <JaseX_> what i just posted is what suceeded what you just reposted wgrant
[03:24] <JaseX_> it was an extra hundred and a half megabytes
[03:24] <geoilocate> wgrant: installation proceed well, but when needing to reebot i get the error
[03:25] <mn> JaseX:  Yeah, I was leaning to LiveCD when you said that.  This computer isn't all that vital.  I was trying to save bandwidth, so/but LiveCD it is.
[03:25] <wgrant> geoilocate: Does the kernel panic, or actually give the error that you said?
[03:25] <geoilocate> wgrant: gives the error
[03:26] <JaseX_> I get a kernel panic from intrepid ibex in virtualbox myself... so I installed it natively.
[03:26] <wgrant> geoilocate: You might want to try http://www.bytebot.net/blog/archives/2008/05/04/sun-xvm-virtualbox-is-released
[03:26] <wgrant> There appear to be instructions for resolving a similar problem there.
[03:27] <geoilocate> wgrant: this kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU: pae unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU
[03:27] <geoilocate> wgrant: will look at the link
[03:27] <wgrant> Sounds like you're using -server.
[03:27] <wgrant> (the -server kernel, that is)
[03:27] <wgrant> Install -generic, and you should be OK.
[03:28] <JaseX_> geoilocate: did you try enabling pae on vbox?
[03:28]  * wgrant hasn't use VirtualBox, so knows nothing of this option.
[03:28] <geoilocate> JaseX_: no and how do I do that
[03:29] <JaseX_> wgrant
[03:29] <JaseX_> err
[03:29] <JaseX_> geoilocate:
[03:29] <JaseX_> shutdown the virtual machine
[03:29] <JaseX_> and open general options
[03:30] <JaseX_> there should be a checkbox on one of the tabs to enable the pae option
[03:32] <geoilocate> JaseX_:pae option checkbox disabled
[03:32] <JaseX_> Disabled?
[03:32] <JaseX_> Are you sure your processor supports it ?
[03:32] <JaseX_> try this from  a local terminal
[03:33] <JaseX_> 'sudo lshw -html >> ~/Desktop/info.html
[03:33] <JaseX_> and then look through that till you see your browser
[03:33] <geoilocate> JaseX_: running Windows :(
[03:33] <JaseX_> Ah...
[03:33] <JaseX_> Hmmm
[03:33] <JaseX_> I don't know any other way then.
[03:33] <JaseX_> The command I just showed you will list your processor and the instructions it handles
[03:35] <redvamp128> I got a question maybe the developers may be able to help with-- It involves the fluxbox in the Synaptic-- Where upon using Nautilus the right command click disappears- thank goodness I already had a Xterm open-- Can anyone have a clue I know Flux is not supported officially.
[03:36] <JaseX_> redvamp128: if no one here can answer... try jumping on over to ##fluxbuntu double hash sign intentional...
[03:36] <JaseX_> They're working on an 8.10 release currently.
[03:36] <JaseX_> and of course revolves around fluxbox.
[03:36] <redvamp128> I didn't know that was a version--
[03:36] <redvamp128> channel-- I mean--
[03:37] <JaseX_> it is.
[03:37] <JaseX_> :D
[03:37] <JaseX_> uh
[03:37] <JaseX_> wait
[03:37] <JaseX_> sorry... not double hash
[03:37] <JaseX_> that's a diferent channel
[03:37] <JaseX_> just #fluxbuntu
[03:38] <JaseX_> I was thinking of ubuland
[03:38] <JaseX_> which is ##ubulande
[03:38] <JaseX_> minus the e
[03:38] <redvamp128> After Xp crahed I decided to give Ubuntu a try... I like it- it is faster than XP--- I also like the ability to change Session Mangers-- Have Kubuntu-Xubuntu- LXDE and Fluxbox installed.
[03:39] <redvamp128> Though the applicaitons menu is very full of apps when I sign into Gnome
[03:39] <redvamp128> Somehow I ended up with All the Kde3 and Kde4 apps
[03:41] <JaseX_> Hmm
[03:42] <JaseX_> Yeah
[03:42] <JaseX_> I get that problem too
[03:42] <redvamp128> ﻿0:41:59 PM) SUNWjoejaxx: because nautilus takes over the rootwindow
[03:57] <teethdood> I like KDE apps myself. I use amarok, K3B, Ktorrent, Klibido, among others
[03:58] <mn> I like the Gnome apps, but I like KDE 4.1.1
[04:09] <teethdood> are you using KDE right now in Ibex?
[04:09] <mn> me?
[04:10] <teethdood> I was using Hardy Kubuntu, Ibex upgrade last night messed it up. It's ok now after I switched back to gnome
[04:10] <teethdood> yes
[04:10] <mn> I am using Gnome and KDE on Hardy right not.
[04:11] <mn> now*
[04:11] <mn> Im about to upgrade to Intrepid though
[04:11] <teethdood> I suggest you switch to Gnome first, then upgrade
[04:12] <mn> I have both
[04:17] <mn> in the process of upgrading right now.  just started
[04:22] <teethdood> alright good luck
[04:22] <mn> thanks.  by the way ppl are tlkin, ima need it :)
[04:48] <danbh_intrepid> dsffdf
[04:48] <danbh_intrepid> hello?
[04:48] <mn> hello
[04:48] <danbh_intrepid> know any metacity recovery commands?  I tried metacity --replace, but it cant find the x server...
[04:49] <danbh_intrepid> (I sorta ran compiz, without any 3d drivers installed, and its borking my computer...)
[04:52] <mn> I don't use that
[04:52] <x1250> danbh_intrepid, metacity --replace. Did you run it from inside X?
[04:52] <danbh_intrepid> x1250: no, from one of the alternate terminals
[04:53] <danbh_intrepid> klsdjfa
[04:53] <danbh_intrepid> opps
[04:53] <danbh_intrepid> muahahahaah, got it, no idea how
[04:54] <x1250> danbh_intrepid, ok, you must run it inside X.
[04:54] <danbh_intrepid> the problem was, that I couldn't get a terminal in X to get into focus
[04:54] <x1250> danbh_intrepid, you could have used ALT+F2
[04:54] <danbh_intrepid> somehow, when I typed that random crap, suddenly I found myself in one of the open terminals, and was able to run metacity --replace.  I thinks ill file a bug report
[04:55] <danbh_intrepid> x1250: mmmm,, good to know, though, allot of things werent working
[04:58] <tj83> hello all. I have an ATI X1200 equipped toshiba notebook... i understand that fglrx is not operable with the new xserver version. or is it? and with driver "radeon" compiz is functional but i cannot play video with any media player mplayer, or vlc, or other, if i use radeonhd then compiz-fusion does not work, what are my options in 8.10?
[04:59] <tj83> can anyone shed some light on this?
[05:00] <x1250> tj83, leave the default driver in xorg.conf (that is, no driver specified) and use:
[05:00] <x1250>   Option                "AccelMethod"   "EXA"
[05:00] <x1250> in Section "Device"
[05:01] <tj83> x1250, ok, thank you so very much i have been pulling my hair out on this... so this is actually the "radeon" driver with the additional option right?
[05:01] <danbh_intrepid> x1250: nope, alt-f2 does not work  :P
[05:02] <x1250> tj83, yes, but you can just comment the line, since radeon its the default driver.
[05:02] <tj83> righto , thanks again x1250 i'll let you know how i fair.
[05:10] <tj83> x1250, ty, i dont know why that could not have been auto configured but that fixes the problem. much appreciated.
[05:11] <x1250> tj83, np
[05:21] <tj83> x1250, any support for 3d accel with the X1200 and "radeon"? only fglrx right? do you happen to know if ATI has anything in the works for the release of 8.10 on october 30th?
[05:30] <x1250> tj83, AFAIK the radeon driver doesn't support all card features, and it is also slower. Maybe Cedega needs some stuff radeon doesn't support yet, but google it if you want to be sure.
[05:30] <tj83> x1250, alright, will do.
[05:31] <RAOF> tj83: Cedega's 3d accel test isn't particularly good, or wasn't last time I checked.
[05:31] <RAOF> I don't think that my 7600Go with the nvidia blob passed it, for example.
[05:33] <terminator_> RAOF, got the neuveau drivers working 2D for now and hopefully 3D soon...
[05:34] <RAOF> terminator_: I wouldn't hold your breath on 3d :)
[05:34] <tj83> RAOF, ok, thanks for the input
[05:35] <terminator_> RAOF, Thank you for pointing this out to me.
[05:36] <RAOF> terminator_: I mean, the best you can currently hope for is that some apps will work, and some will even work faster than software :)
[05:37] <terminator_> RAOF I'm just happy to get a graphic driver that works and gets me out of low resolution mode.
[05:37] <RAOF> It's a start.
[05:37] <RAOF> :)
[05:39] <terminator_> RAOF   Will update manager update neuveau if changes are made to it or do I have to manually update it by hand.
[05:41] <RAOF> terminator_: If you've added my PPA to your sources, then yes.  Each time I update the nouveau package it'll appear as an update for you.
[05:41] <terminator_> thanks thats great to know.
[06:02] <bullgard4> Will wicd become a normal part of Intrepid?
[06:03] <danbh_intrepid> heh, no
[06:03] <Pici> Its not even in the repositories
[06:03] <bullgard4> danbh_intrepid: What does 'heh' here mean?
[06:03] <bullgard4> Pici: Thank you for your information.
[06:03] <danbh_intrepid> bullgard4: just what Pici said, its not even in the repositories
[06:04] <bullgard4> danbh_intrepid: Thank you.
[06:04] <danbh_intrepid> bullgard4: ironically, Im running wicd right now.  Its the only program that can work my wifi card
[06:05] <bullgard4> ok.
[06:05] <danbh_intrepid> (sorry if that heh provided insult, btw)
[06:06] <bullgard4> danbh_intrepid: I did not know what this interjection meant here.
[06:11] <Jordan_U> Can someone without KDE installed please pastebin the output of "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" For some reason autoremove isn't working and I want to get entirely rid of KDE
[06:11] <BHSPitLappy> Jordan_U, that ought to be everybody
[06:12] <danbh_intrepid> Jordan_U: have you tried the purekde factoid?
[06:12] <BHSPitLappy> my output is "[sudo] password for stephen:"
[06:12] <Jordan_U> danbh_intrepid: Not updated for Intrepid / KDE4
[06:13] <danbh_intrepid> Jordan_U: http://paste.ubuntu.com/48794/
[06:13] <Jordan_U> danbh_intrepid: Thanks
[06:14] <danbh_intrepid> np
[06:17] <Jordan_U> danbh_intrepid: It's great watching my menu's become uncluttered in real time :)
[06:17] <danbh_intrepid> : )
[06:40] <Andre_Gondim> how may I know if I am using Alpha 5 or 6?
[06:42] <danbh_intrepid> upgrade  for justice!
[06:43] <danbh_intrepid> Andre_Gondim: srsly, alpha 5 and alpha 6 refer to a release of a snapshot of the alpha of intrepid.  If you update, you have the latest snapshot of intrepid
[06:44] <Andre_Gondim> danbh_intrepid,thanks
[07:18] <FAJ> hi i am using intrepid ibex;  because of the ath5k support, but it seems not to be working; even though it says it connects.
[07:23] <FAJ> hi i am using intrepid ibex;  because of the ath5k support, but it seems not to be working; even though it says it connects.
[08:00] <Lynoure> how have upgrades in kubuntu (hardy->ibex) gone for people? (not talking about clean installs that keep /home)
[08:04] <Teiseii> Lynoure: Should be somewhat safe by now I think
[08:04] <Lynoure> Teiseii: so you did it and it vent fine?
[08:04] <Lynoure> s/vent/went/
[08:04] <Teiseii> Yes
[08:04]  * DanaG wonders what we'll be able to do with multitouch in the future...
[08:04] <DanaG> Right now, there aren't a whole lot of cool applications that I've seen.
[08:05] <DanaG> !find toshiba_acpi
[08:06] <DanaG> grr.
[08:06] <Lynoure> could be could for drawing, maybe
[08:06] <DanaG> http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/touchsmart/alt/tsalt.html
[08:06] <DanaG> Would need MPX (Multi-Pointer X).
[08:07] <darthanubis> its so much fun running alpha software
[08:07] <Lynoure> darthanubis: yes, but I'm starting a new job tomorrow, so totally messing things today would be a big minus :)
[08:08] <darthanubis> I don't get it?
[08:08] <darthanubis> whats a new job have to do with anything? Naturally alpha software is NOT on a production machine?
[08:09] <Lynoure> darthanubis: totally messing up today the computer that I'm supposed to work with tomorrow would be a big minus... but I feel so tempted to upgrade.
[08:09] <darthanubis> thats just silly
[08:09] <DanaG> Don't do it if you don't have a spare system or such.
[08:09] <darthanubis> basically
[08:09] <DanaG> Or even just a spare hard drive... or partition.
[08:09] <Lynoure> DanaG: Always done it to my main system at this point.
[08:09] <DanaG> Or be willing to accept any breakage that may occur.
[08:09] <DanaG> I've used it on both my main and backup systems... I just never update both at the same time.
[08:09] <Lynoure> DanaG: always gone ok, but less timescale to straighten things this time
[08:10] <DanaG> That way, if one breaks... I know not to upgrade the other.
[08:10] <Lynoure> My current backup is a Aspire One =)
[08:11] <DanaG> Heh, when I get my new laptop (as soon as HP makes the 15" EliteBook customizable), I'll have new things to play with.
[08:11] <DanaG> UEFI... sounds fun to mess with.
[08:11] <DanaG> It'll let me use the rEFIt boot menu thingy.
[08:12] <elmargol> Lynoure, clone the install to a virtual machine and mess it up there
[08:12] <DanaG> But oddly enough, not any for Win98.
[08:13] <DanaG> er
[08:13] <DanaG> argh
[08:13] <DanaG> dang scroll on tabs... that was one line of a conversation in a different channel.
[08:14] <DanaG> Context:   /me likes VirtualBox -- it has guest additions for both Windows and Linux, with seamless mode.  It also has guest additions for OS/2, for god only knows what reason.  But oddly enough, not any for Win98.
[08:14] <Lynoure> elmargol: that would abstract away all the hw problems, which might be good if one had an itch for just the newness, but this is also ideal point to report those bugs. catch22, big time
[08:15] <elmargol> You can test hardware problems using a live cd
[08:15]  * DanaG is currently on a system with an NV17 card.
[08:17] <Lynoure> elmargol: except for hibernation.
[08:18] <Lynoure> Which is the thing that seems to reliably toggle between releases =)
[08:18]  * DanaG pokes nvidia with a stick: fix the **** 96 drivers!
[08:18] <elmargol> Lynoure, if you have a swap partition bibernation should work I guess...
[08:18] <DanaG> Either that... or open-source the cards that need the 96 or older drivers.
[08:19] <Lynoure> elmargol: yes, I guess, if I make live-cd to use that swap
[08:19] <elmargol> Lynoure, it does this by default i think
[08:19] <Lynoure> elmargol: no, does not seem to
[08:20] <Lynoure> elmargol: or at least it did not mess with the hibernation image I had there while I played with livecd
[08:21] <Lynoure> and I don't expect it to be smart enough to avoid that, but could be underestimating
[08:23] <BHSPitLappy> swapon, swapoff
[08:24] <Lynoure> So only Teiseii had done that kind of upgrade, no one else?
[08:25] <Lynoure> (how it had gone generally was my question, rest I can manage to decide if I know that)
[08:32] <Lynoure> DanaG: you upgraded? Do you still use Kubuntu? (I hope I don't remember wrong) How did it got?
[08:33] <DanaG> I'm on Gnome, actually.
[08:33] <DanaG> Be aware that Intrepid actually replaces KDE3 with KDE4.
[08:33] <Lynoure> I am.
[08:33] <Lynoure> One of the things I want to find out is how gracefully/gracelessly that happens
[08:34] <DanaG> I haven't done it with a KDE-based system.
[08:34] <Lynoure> as it will decide whether my mother stays a buntu-user or not
[08:34] <DanaG> tip: don't put Intrepid on other people's systems, until after release.
[08:35] <Lynoure> I'm not stupid, you know, just a non-native speaker =)
[08:35] <DanaG> Aah.
[08:35] <Lynoure> Been a sysadmin for 10+ years...
[08:36] <Lynoure> But, even without the kde version change, the rate of UI change in Kubuntu at least might be too fast for my mother. Something new every 6 months only works well for people that like newness.
[08:37] <DanaG> One thing you could do: put it on your own system, and have her test-drive it, so to speak.
[08:38] <DanaG> Or if you have a spare hard drive, then clone it, boot the clone, and upgrade the clone.
[08:39] <Lynoure> DanaG: her upgrade is technically easy
[08:39] <DanaG> The point of the backup is that she could try out the UI, and then revert if she doesn't like it.
[08:39] <Lynoure> nothing outside home that needs to stay, and regular backups of home, so in worst case just reinstalling hardy does the trick
[08:40] <Lynoure> but staying with hardy is not a long-term solution.
[08:41] <DanaG> Right.
[08:41] <DanaG> The thing that bugged me most about KDE4: everything is huge.  I can't make a compact sysinfo thingy.
[08:41] <emet> !info xcowsay intrepid
[08:41] <DanaG> Plus, you can't make a full-desktop icon container.....
[08:42] <DanaG> You can't resize the widgets by the corners!  How stupid!
[08:42] <emet> UM
[08:42] <emet> why no xcowsay in interepid
[08:42] <emet> this is disastrous!
[08:42] <DanaG> x...cowsay?  what makes it an 'x' cowsay?
[08:42] <DanaG> !info cowsay
[08:42] <DanaG> !info xcowsay
[08:43] <DanaG> !info xcowsay hardy
[08:43] <emet> DanaG, http://www.doof.me.uk/xcowsay/
[08:43] <emet> I am surprised this very important functionality does not exist in Ubuntu 8.10
[08:44] <emet> I will fill a critical bug right away
[08:44] <DanaG> Critical?  I hope that's a joke... it's not good manners to overestimate importance. =P
[08:46] <zniavre> at least "free the fish" still in intrepid
[09:08] <clusty> hey
[09:08] <clusty> i was wondering if anyone could help me figure out how to mount the usbfs under ibex
[09:09] <clusty> all the usual guides don't seem to apply to the latest ubuntu
[09:19] <DanaG> wtf... I can't copy and paste in Nautilus, for some reason.
[09:20] <DanaG> oh, the 'ubuntu' user is not uid 1000.
[09:24] <Reed_Solomon> any speculation on what would cause plugging in a gamepad (then pressing a button on the gamepad) to cause X to close?
[09:25] <Reed_Solomon> ah i see whats goin on
[09:27] <Reed_Solomon> probably related to the latest hal/evdev stuff
[09:28] <Reed_Solomon> thats not in ubuntu's repositories
[09:29] <Reed_Solomon> http://pastebin.com/d29f77906 if anyone is curious in any case
[09:32] <clusty> any clues on usbfs mounting?
[09:32] <DanaG> none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=46,devmode=664 0 0
[09:33] <DanaG> that's the line in my fstab.
[09:33] <DanaG> choose a group to assign it to.... I used plugdev.
[09:33] <clusty> DanaG, lemme try out
[09:35] <clusty> kewl
[09:35] <clusty> thanks
[09:36] <DanaG> I wish they'd just do that by default.
[09:36] <clusty> been ages since i did this but now I wanted to give access to usb to my vboxes
[09:52] <PolitikerNEU> Hello everyone, I got the following problem: whenever I do ALT+F2 and try to open a directory, Gnome wants me to become administrator (no matter if I want to access /, /root or /home/myusername) - I tried to delete my gnome configuration, but this hasn
[09:52] <PolitikerNEU> 't helped
[09:52] <Hobbsee> sudo chown -R youruser:youruser /home/yourusername?
[09:53] <rom1v> hi
[09:53] <rom1v> in intrepid alpha 6, the version of pulseaudio is :  0.9.10-2ubuntu3
[09:53] <rom1v> do you plan to upgrade to 0.9.11 or 0.9.12 for intrepid final?
[09:53] <rom1v> http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/364 (a bug corrected on .11 or .12)
[09:53] <Hobbsee> rom1v: perhaps.
[09:53] <Hobbsee> rom1v: the guy who would be able to tell you for certain is off for the weekend.
[09:54] <zniavre> :o)
[09:54] <rom1v> ok
[09:54] <PolitikerNEU> no, this hasn't helped
[09:57] <kahrytan> I seriously hope Inbex doesnt go with dark theme. It will set ubuntu back 3 giant leaps.
[09:58] <kahrytan> Dark Theme in Ibex will be suicide.
[10:01] <x1250> NewHuman? Fugly.
[10:02] <GoddamnDevil> I'm being a little masocist, I love the NewHuman theme
[10:02] <x1250> Yeah, but you're de Devil! :)
[10:03] <GoddamnDevil> :)
[10:03] <GoddamnDevil> I Just hope that the new theme being shipped out eith II is a improvment to human
[10:15] <Lynoure> What's currently the recommended way to upgrade from hardy to ibex in kubuntu?
[10:18] <kingrayray> hey i burned the latest iso yesterday and for some reason it doesn't boot right, it takes *FOREVER* to get past the initial progress bar, and it seems like i ahve to coax it along by pressing enter (but i think that part just might be me, lol)
[10:19] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[10:19] <kingrayray> i thought it just might be slow cdrom, but when i got it installed it did the same thing. anybody got similar issues? i'm on a notebook if that helps
[10:21] <kingrayray> i have really limited web access cause i'm stuck in console, so if anybody has any idea whats up with the boot sequence i'd love to know. also, is there a command for a text-based install?
[10:21] <kingrayray> hey s0u][ight lol sorry i was busy ranting :) sup?
[10:23] <s0u][ight> fine :)
[10:23] <s0u][ight> what about you?
[10:24] <s0u][ight> for a text based install you need to use the alternate cd
[10:26] <kingrayray> the text based install isn't included on the livecd?
[10:27] <s0u][ight> i have no idea
[10:27] <kingrayray> hmm.
[10:27] <elmargol> If you use the alternate cd. Ubuntu offers to encrypt your home directory. Is this the whole partition or just the /home/username ?
[10:27] <kingrayray> i'm running on the livecd right now
[10:28] <s0u][ight> kingrayray, you should look in the boot menu for it
[10:28] <s0u][ight> kingrayray, or try to find a command like installer
[10:28] <kingrayray> haha a spark in my brain remembered it's naim
[10:29] <kingrayray> name
[10:29] <kingrayray> ah, that's the gtk one lol
[10:30] <s0u][ight> ubiquiti?
[10:30] <kingrayray> yeah that's the gtk one
[10:30] <s0u][ight> try installer
[10:31] <kingrayray> i did, no dice
[10:31] <kingrayray> well
[10:31] <kingrayray> i randomly managed to get X to start
[10:31] <kingrayray> i'm not sure what i did, lol
[10:31] <kingrayray> brb
[11:04] <Guest14949> hi guys im working on a wiki article for create a ubunu live usb boot stick from the intrepid alpha cds, there are changes since hardy
[11:04] <Guest14949> s.o. wanna help
[11:05] <s0u][ight> join #ubuntu
[11:06] <s0u][ight> sorry forgot the slash
[11:06] <Guest14949> they said i should go here :-/
[11:28] <drunkenkilla> moin
[11:28] <drunkenkilla> ich hab intrepid drauf, und seit gestern oder so gehen bestimmte tasten nicht mehr wie z.b. das zeichen auf der taste neben der 1, oder das zeichen auf dem +, dieses wellenförmige zeichen...kann man das beheben?
[11:29] <SwedeMike> drunkenkilla: english, please.
[11:32] <Stevko> !de
[11:32] <zniavre> !paste
[11:34] <zniavre> i can't access to my xp computer (it's dist-upgrade from hardy wich is worked quite good)
[11:34] <zniavre> http://paste.ubuntu.com/48840/
[11:34] <zniavre> i did not changed anything but now it does not work
[11:37] <drunkenkilla> ok, so my problem ist, that i can't push the button near the 1 and the sign on the + button, it's like a wave...
[11:38] <Stevko> You mean the one with ` and ~?
[11:39] <drunkenkilla> i mean the second sign
[11:39] <drunkenkilla> the other sign is the chinese smiley sign
[11:40] <drunkenkilla> i think, my alt gr isn't working...
[11:41] <drunkenkilla> http://paste.ubuntu.com/48843/
[11:41] <drunkenkilla> this is my xorg.conf
[11:43] <Stevko> So your keyboard should look something like this?: http://disk.jabbim.cz/stevko@jabber.cz/215.pdf
[11:50] <drunkenkilla> Stevko, yes but i can't press this sign: ^
[11:55] <Stevko> Works for me (with german keyboard), Don't you have some program running that uses this as hotkey? For example "tilda" is such program (if its shortcut key is set to something, then it does not work in other programs)
[11:55] <Stevko> And setting that key as shortcut is quite common I think.
[11:58] <drunkenkilla> now i have running pidgin...
[11:58] <Stevko> And if this key does not work with other keyboard layouts (or with modifiers such as shift) then it might be HW error with your keyboard. But that is unlikely.
[11:59] <Stevko> drunkenkilla: You may try to stop pidgin and try if the key works, but I do not think pidgin is the case for it so it most probably will be some other problem.
[11:59] <drunkenkilla> on the notebook  keyboard and on the hardware logitech keyboard it doesn't work
[12:15] <terminator_> Any one running the nouveau graphic driver?  I am wondering how it is working for you.
[12:26] <rconan> is the nouveau driver full-featured yet?
[12:29] <Stevko> is it in repositories? (I do not think so)
[12:30] <rconan> not that i am aware of
[12:31] <rconan> from what i read it isn't ready for widespread testin
[12:41] <mnemo> ALT-TAB doesnot work for me in intrepid... is this a know bug??
[12:43] <GoddamnDevil> works here...
[12:44] <mnemo> GoddamnDevil: do you use metacity or compiz?
[12:44] <GoddamnDevil> mnemo: metacity, with compositing manager
[12:45] <mnemo> im on the radeon driver so i cant enable compiz
[12:45] <literal> I use the radeon driver and compiz works fine
[12:45] <Hobbsee> hm, dvd's don't work OOTB here now.
[12:46] <GoddamnDevil> mnemo: I have 2 comp. other nvidia, other intel, both works
[12:46] <GoddamnDevil> ati's been always bit problematic
[12:47] <PolitikerNEU> Hobbsee: yeah, you need libdvdcss2 - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu#Adding%20the%20Repositories
[12:47] <Hobbsee> ah, -xine works.
[12:47] <PolitikerNEU> sry
[12:47] <mnemo> with hardy I had fglxr and that ran compiz fine but now I get "cant enable desktop effects" when I try it... but the new fglxr is not uploaded in intrepid yet afaik
[12:48] <mnemo> GoddamnDevil: ok thanks.. I guess I have some kind of local config problem casuing the ALT-TAB brokenness
[12:49] <Hobbsee> PolitikerNEU: already had that, thanks.
[12:49] <GoddamnDevil> dvd's aint supposed to work OOTB cause laws??
[12:50] <Hobbsee> GoddamnDevil: yes.
[12:50] <Hobbsee> PolitikerNEU: even having that, it was giving weird error messages about not being able to read the dvd.  *shrug*
[13:00] <GoddamnDevil> https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=244&osCsid=f09411f195cfac938c960bcdb7d0d89a
[13:00] <GoddamnDevil> thank god we're able to buy that one ;)
[13:00] <GoddamnDevil> https://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=243&osCsid=f09411f195cfac938c960bcdb7d0d89a
[13:01] <GoddamnDevil> or that one for full dvd playback having not to worrie about legal issues
[13:07] <napsy_> Hello. I want to know where ubuntu gets the translatins from.
[13:08] <mnemo> napsy_: much of the translations comes from "rosetta" which is a part of launchpad
[13:09] <napsy_> mnemo, hm gnome has it's own translation team and translations ... are the translations merget with launchpad?
[13:09] <napsy_> *merged
[13:09] <mnemo> not sure how that works, sry
[13:14] <yao_ziyuan> i want to upgrade from hardy to intrepid alpha 6
[13:14] <yao_ziyuan> "update-manager -d" is too slow
[13:15] <yao_ziyuan> i already have downloaded an alternate installer iso
[13:15] <yao_ziyuan> i don't have a burner
[13:15] <GoddamnDevil> sudo do-release-upgrade --devel-release
[13:15] <yao_ziyuan> so my plan is to download the hd-installer files for grub
[13:15] <Hobbsee> yao_ziyuan: use apt-cdrom add with it, then run the upgrade??
[13:15] <yao_ziyuan> GoddamnDevil: is do-release-upgrade any different from update-manager?
[13:15] <Hobbsee> not in terms of speeds.
[13:16] <yao_ziyuan> can you give me the detailed instructions for using apt-cdrom?
[13:16] <GoddamnDevil> yao_ziyuan: same result
[13:16] <Hobbsee> yao_ziyuan: run apt-cdrom.  Read what it says.
[13:16] <GoddamnDevil> bottleneck is bandwidth
[13:17]  * Hobbsee already gave you the command.
[13:20] <yao_ziyuan> it seems apt-cdrom doesn't support mount points mounted with an iso?
[13:21] <Hobbsee> hm.  if you specify -d /wherever, it should do.
[13:22] <yao_ziyuan> i mounted the iso file to /mnt/cdrom,
[13:22] <yao_ziyuan> and run sudo apt-cdrom add -d /mnt/cdrom
[13:22] <yao_ziyuan> it says failed
[13:22] <yao_ziyuan> and it automatically unmounted /mnt/cdrom.
[13:24] <Hobbsee> hmm.  then i don't know, short of trying it with -m for no mounting as well.
[13:24] <yao_ziyuan> yes
[13:24] <yao_ziyuan> i tried -m
[13:24] <yao_ziyuan> and it says:
[13:25] <yao_ziyuan> the output is: http://www.bytecool.com/ioiforum/read.php?1,8027,8027#msg-8027
[13:25] <yao_ziyuan> first error is E: Could not open file /mnt/cdrom/dists/intrepid/main/binary-i386/Packages - open (2 No such file or directory)
[13:28] <yao_ziyuan> how do i emulate inserting a real cdrom?
[13:28] <yao_ziyuan> where should i mount the iso file at in order to mimic a real cdrom insertion?
[13:32] <Stevko> How do you mount iso?
[13:32] <yao_ziyuan> i am googling "apt-cdrom mount iso"
[13:32] <Stevko> mount file.iso /mnt/cdrom ?
[13:33] <yao_ziyuan> sudo mount -o loop /home/yaoziyuan/more/btdl/intrepid-alternate-i386.iso /mnt/cdrom
[13:39] <yao_ziyuan> now i wonder,
[13:39] <yao_ziyuan> can hd-install files for grub *upgrade* my hardy to intrepid
[13:39] <yao_ziyuan> rather than a fresh install?
[13:42] <yao_ziyuan> here is the problem:
[13:42] <yao_ziyuan> the first error is "E: Could not open file /mnt/cdrom/dists/intrepid/main/binary-i386/Packages - open (2 No such file or directory)"
[13:42] <yao_ziyuan> while the actual file in the iso is called Packages.gz
[14:12] <dr-p3pper> were the daily build of kubuntu fixed?  i tried on two different dates a few weeks back and both were broken, errored out on "installing packages"
[14:27] <gnomefreak> dr-p3pper: you might ask in #kubuntu-devel
[14:28] <dr-p3pper> ok , thanks
[14:28] <gnomefreak> np
[14:28] <ionstorm> wow my ubuntu is running slow compared to xp
[14:28] <ionstorm> maybe reiser is fragmented
[14:28] <ionstorm> or something
[14:28] <ionstorm> or intrepid is just slow
[14:28] <ionstorm> ideas?
[14:29] <gnomefreak> intrepid isnt slow here and im running p4 1.7ghz with 256 ram (ram is under suggested amount)
[14:29] <dr-p3pper> there are many speed tweaks u can find online, ubuntu is generally slow out of the box
[14:42] <afief> is there a way to install fglrx on Ibex yet?
[14:53] <Teiseii> afief: You mean fglrx won't install via Synaptic ?
[14:53] <Teiseii> Fglrx has always been a little problematic
[14:54] <afief> Teiseii, well the restricted driver thing didn't fire up, I read the forums and it seems fglrx has a problem with the new xorg so I thought I'd better ask before making my system unusable
[14:54] <Teiseii> afief: Actually my little brother has similar problems with his ATI card too
[14:57] <afief> Teiseii, well then I hope the amd/ati guys fix their drivers in the coming release because both ubuntu and fedora are shipping this new xorg...
[14:58] <afief> is there a way to know which part of this laptop is draining my battery?
[15:00] <GoddamnDevil> powertop ???
[15:02] <Teiseii> afief: If they don't fix them they will be in trouble
[15:03] <afief> both they and ibex I guess... imagine all the kids crying "but where is my compiz?!" after upgrading
[15:05] <afief> GoddamnDevil, thanks, didn't know about that app
[15:06] <Teiseii> afief: It should be added into some kind of trouble shooting application. "Q: Why isn't my Compiz working ?" "A: If you graphics card is ATI, it's because they can't make decent drivers. If you have something else, proceed with following links"
[15:06] <GoddamnDevil> afief: it's good app to provide info
[15:08] <afief> Teiseii, well they ARE working on an open source driver as well as providing specifications(that's why I bought from them)
[15:08] <afief> GoddamnDevil, is the advice it's giving me safe to follow?
[15:09] <Teiseii> afief: http://finance.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3AAMD
[15:09] <GoddamnDevil> afief: yes, but i wouldn't disable the cdrom polling
[15:10] <afief> GoddamnDevil, what does cdrom polling mean anyway?
[15:12] <afief> Teiseii, I really don't know much about this financial stuff, what does it mean?
[15:13] <Teiseii> afief: If that line is going down, it means the company is doing "bad"
[15:13] <Teiseii> afief: Try zooming it to 1y or 5y
[15:13] <afief> line? no line in konqueror, let me try it in firefox
[15:13] <Teiseii> Umm
[15:14] <afief> Teiseii, ouch! they are quite low
[15:15] <Teiseii> afief: Yeah ... in early 2006 the value was over 40 ... now it's 5.42
[15:17] <afief> Teiseii, so do you expect they will recover somehow or do you think they're doomed?
[15:17] <Teiseii> afief: I've heard they have been doing quite well this year
[15:17] <Teiseii> afief: It's because NVidia screwed up with things
[15:18] <Teiseii> afief: However, Intel is still very strong
[15:18] <afief> Teiseii, I was kinda hoping AMD and IBM would join forces, but it doesn't look like it's gonna happen
[15:19] <Teiseii> afief: Why would IBM need AMD ? ^^
[15:20] <afief> Teiseii, I'm not really sure but something is keeping IBM out of the x86 market... heck their PPC ships looks rather sweet back in the days
[15:21] <Teiseii> afief: Did IBM stop making laptops completely ?
[15:21] <afief> nope, but they use Intel chips
[15:21] <Teiseii> Hmm
[15:23]  * afief is imagining a laptop with a CELL processor. Need battery? turn off cores. Need power? let the cores roll
[15:24] <danbh_intrepid> anyone know where gstreamer bugs are filed?  Is it  gnome?
[15:25] <kent> Teiseii: afief  didnt ibm stop making laptops? i thought they sold that division to lenova or something?
[15:26] <afief> kent, I'm not really sure... I still get laptops with IBM lables on them here
[15:26] <Teiseii> kent: Yeah, that was what I meant
[15:26] <Teiseii> kent: I wasn't sure though, but it seems to be
[15:26] <Teiseii> kent: IBM Thinkpads are nowadays Lenovo Thinkpads
[15:27] <Teiseii> kent: My Thinkpad is half Lenovo and half IBM
[15:27] <kent> Teiseii: afief,  perhaps some markets still labels them ibm though its lenovo who makes them. i thought that was some kind of chinese brand now..
[15:27] <afief> danbh_intrepid, looks like it, at least that's where the official link leads me
[15:27] <Teiseii> kent: You may be right
[15:27] <kent> mine is fully apple macbook.  ;)
[15:27] <danbh_intrepid> afief: whats the official link?
[15:27] <afief> I'm on an HP tablet here
[15:28] <afief> danbh_intrepid, on the left: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/
[15:28] <danbh_intrepid> cool, thanks
[15:48] <dtamas> i update to 8.10 alfa 6
[15:48] <dtamas> wifi doesn't work
[15:49] <danbh_intrepid> what driver are you using?
[15:49] <dtamas> bcm43xx
[15:50] <danbh_intrepid> hmmm, dunno.  Maybe you could try wicd, since network-manager is flaky atm
[15:50] <dtamas> i won't work on 8.04 as well
[15:51] <dtamas> no wicd in the packet managger
[15:51] <danbh_intrepid> oh, heh, then it sounds like you just haven't been able to install it.  broadcoms are supposed to be  a bit hard
[15:52] <dtamas> it installed in the hardware drivers
[15:53] <danbh_intrepid> dtamas: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[15:53] <dtamas> thx
[15:59] <dtamas> danbh_intrepid: i was read this, what can i do?
[15:59] <danbh_intrepid> do you get it?
[16:00] <dtamas> yes
[16:00] <danbh_intrepid> sooo... it looks like you need that custom firmware package, which the latest release is for hardy.
[16:00] <danbh_intrepid> then it should just work.
[16:01] <danbh_intrepid> I dunno, maybe you could try the hardy package, but thats risky
[16:01] <danbh_intrepid> I don't know how risky it is, but thats why I say its risky
[16:01] <dtamas> ok, i try
[16:02] <dtamas> lspci list this: 0c:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4312 802.11a/b/g (rev 01)
[16:04] <danbh_intrepid> lspci -n?
[16:09] <danbh_intrepid> dtamas: what happens when you install the b43-fwcutter package?
[16:10] <dtamas> lspci -n: 0c:00.0 0280: 14e4:4312 (rev 01)
[16:10] <dtamas> b43-fwcutter installed
[16:11] <danbh_intrepid> can you use it?
[16:11] <dtamas> yes
[16:11] <dtamas> iwconfig works well
[16:11] <danbh_intrepid> wait, so its working?
[16:12] <dtamas> yes
[16:12] <danbh_intrepid> very good!  now its time to update the wiki!
[16:12] <dtamas> but network-manager lists no wifi
[16:13] <danbh_intrepid> wait, has it been working the whole time?
[16:13] <dtamas> yes
[16:13] <danbh_intrepid> oh
[16:13] <danbh_intrepid> I was thinking it didnt work
[16:13] <danbh_intrepid> try iwscan
[16:14] <dtamas>  command not found
[16:15] <danbh_intrepid> sorry
[16:15] <danbh_intrepid> sudo iwlist  <<your cards interface>> scanning
[16:16] <dtamas>  Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
[16:17] <danbh_intrepid> maybe try sudo ifup <<interface>>
[16:19] <dtamas> Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0.
[16:19] <dtamas> but the wlan0 is the interface
[16:20] <danbh_intrepid> well, sorry, I don't reallyy know
[16:21] <dtamas> ok
[16:21] <dtamas> no problem
[16:21] <dtamas> thanks
[16:31] <Ryoushi> am I the only one having trouble with mono related software?
[16:35] <Ryoushi> well, just so you guys know, mono doesn't work.  Anything that installs into mono, by extension, also doesn't work.  Not much I can do about it, so having told you guys, I'm off.
[17:21] <teethdood> how do I turn off the blinking "wifi" light on my laptop? it's really annoying
[17:28] <mazzen> teethdood: depends on your laptop. what manufacture is it?
[17:28] <mazzen> teethdood: you should have something like /sys/devices/platform/<manufacture>wlan
[17:30] <mazzen> teethdood: i have an asus notebook and so i have to type: echo 0 > /sys/devices/platform/asus-laptop/wlan as root
[17:36] <DanaG> Oh yeah, something interesting: with Broadcom cards, you can actually change the LED behavior.
[17:36] <DanaG> Look in /sys/class/leds
[17:37] <DanaG> You'll see something like b43-phy0:rx and b43-phy0:tx directories.  Check (with 'cat') the 'trigger' file in each.
[17:39] <mazzen> DanaG: interesting! but what has to be in that file to trigger the led?
[17:40] <DanaG> you'll echo one of the listed options into it.
[17:40] <EvilDaemon> Is there an Intrepid Ibex ver. for Virtualbox? Or should I just use the hardy one?
[17:41] <DanaG> For example, echo b43-phy0:assoc into both tx and rx, and it'll change that LED (usually one for both send and receive) into an 'associated to access point' LED.
[17:43] <burner> anyone know how to get vlc 0.9.2 in intrepid?  I found a ppa for hardy, but it's not working in my intrepid install
[17:47] <mazzen> DanaG: thanks!
[17:48] <DanaG> So, if you want it to do that at startup, you can put it in /etc/rc.local
[17:49] <DanaG> Oh yeah, it's also possible to modify the firmware itself to make it permanent even in other OSes, but it's dangerous ... last time I tried it, it broke connectivity for some odd reason, and I had to go back to the stock firmware.
[17:50] <DanaG> hmm, aptitude just crashed with "bus error" -- wtf?
[17:53] <Nece228> do beta will have brand new theme
[17:53] <Nece228> ?
[17:56] <kent> if bus error,  then go by train
[17:56] <Nece228> i think that intrepid will not have new icon theme...
[17:57] <DanaG> Ugh, I had forgotten how broken Flash was in Hardy.
[18:01] <Volkodav_> http://www.flashmagazine.com/News/detail/64_bit_flash_player_for_linux_in_the_works/
[18:04] <DanaG> I hope it won't be as buggy as the 32-bit Flash has been until now.
[18:07] <Turms> i've a strange problem which has begun with the 2.6.27 series of kernels, i can ping url's but i cannot navigat nor i can update, here you can find some of the test i tried: http://pastebin.ca/1207538
[18:16] <Lynoure> Turms: your dns servers seem to be giving nonsense
[18:16] <Lynoure> Turms: I'm pretty sure google.it is not hit-nxdomain.opendns.com
[18:17] <Lynoure> Turms: more like fg-in-f104.google.com or something like that
[18:18] <Lynoure> Turms: My guess is that you get the same ip, 208.69.34.132 for other things as well?
[18:21] <Turms> Lynoure: yes, you're right, i have tried again on the same machine and now i get the correct answer, the problem now is that now it looses some packets
[18:22] <Turms> Lynoure: i've tried with yahoo.com and now i get all the packets
[18:23] <Lynoure> Turms: that's good. Pretty much ok, then?
[18:25] <Turms> Lynoure: NO! ping works, but i cannot navigate nor i can update
[18:25] <Turms> Lynoure: which is quite strange, given that the routing table is ok
[18:25] <Lynoure> Turms: so what does yahoo.com resolve to?
[18:25] <Lynoure> Turms: and what happens if you do  telnet yahoo.com 80  ?
[18:26] <Turms> Lynoure: w2.rc.vip.sp1.yahoo.com (68.180.206.184)
[18:26] <Lynoure> Turms: and have you recently added a firewall that blocks port 80?
[18:28] <Lynoure> Turms: do other protocols work?
[18:28] <Turms> Lynoure: i'm trying to telnet yahoo, but i receive "trying 68.180.206.184" only (still waiting), and the problem exists with the kernel 2.6.27 only, if i start with 2.6.26 everything works
[18:29] <Turms> Lynoure: and lenny in another partition works too
[18:30] <Turms> Lynoure: ssh to this machine works, so does nfs
[18:30] <Turms> Lynoure: whatelse can i try?
[18:30] <Lynoure> Turms: you can of course always report a bug at launchpad... There might even be one.
[18:31] <Turms> Lynoure: well in several cases i tried to help filing bugs, but this is really weird
[18:32] <Turms> Lynoure: anyway i'll go to launchpad to see if someone else reported such a behaviour
[18:34] <Lynoure> Turms: I'm curious about the cause, so if you remember, do tell me too when you find out
[18:39] <Turms> Lynoure: sure! and anyway thanks!
[19:10] <chakie_> i've been following the guide here to set up my sound: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[19:11] <chakie_> all seems ok, but i get no sound output whatever i do
[19:11] <chakie_> the driver seems to work (no errors), audio is not muted, apps pretend to play audio just fine, but no output
[19:12] <chakie_> of course, it's an intel chip
[19:12] <chakie_> card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: ALC888 Analog [ALC888 Analog]
[19:21] <chakie_> alsa configuration is really a nightmare
[19:22] <teamcobra> the encrypted private directory is pretty nice ;)
[19:22] <chakie_> it's mostly impossible to know which of all the channels is the one you're using, but now i've tried them all as muted/unmuted
[19:25] <Unksi> anyone else have a problem starting open office? im getting this error: javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment!
[19:25] <Unksi> even though i have sun-java6-jre installed
[19:26] <teamcobra> unksi: thereś a package you need to install... it is called openoffice-java something or other
[19:27] <Unksi> ok
[19:27] <teamcobra> I cant remember the exact name offhand, but it fixes it, and is the only package w/ openoffice and java in the name (I had the same prob a month ago w/ running headless ooo)
[19:28] <Unksi> hmm, that removed the error but it doesnt seem to start yet either
[19:29] <teamcobra> hrmmmm, now _that_'s weird
[19:29] <teamcobra> are you running it headless as well?
[19:30] <Unksi> it started for the first time, but it froze when i opened the settings dialog.. killed it and it started doing this
[19:30] <Unksi> no, im starting it from konsole as it doesnt start up from anywhere else
[19:30] <teamcobra> ack..... ok, there are 2 config directories, iirc, lemme check
[19:31] <ernstp> anyone who can confirm a bug I'm seeing?
[19:31] <ernstp> open gedit and try to log out...
[19:31] <teamcobra> nop, just 1.... "rm -rf .openoffice.org2" in your home dir
[19:31] <ernstp> seems like gedit is blocking all logouts.. ?
[19:31] <Unksi> teamcobra: makes no difference
[19:31] <teamcobra> ern: will check in a min,  installing packages
[19:32] <teamcobra> and it's not giving you any error?
[19:33] <teamcobra> because it sounds like your confs got mangled when prefs froze
[19:34] <Unksi> no errors now
[19:34] <teamcobra> just silently doesn't start?
[19:35] <Unksi> yea, when i start it from konsole, it doesnt give any feedback but the process keeps running
[19:35] <Unksi> when i start it from kmenu, the process does not keep running
[19:35] <teamcobra> I'm really at a loss :/
[19:38] <teamcobra> brb
[19:38] <teamcobra> ernstp, yup, gedit blocks a logout when unsaved.... time to test saved doc
[19:38] <teamcobra> still blocks logout
[19:39] <ernstp> teamcobra: mmmhm
[19:39] <teamcobra> now if it only blocked logout when unsaved, that would be _wicked_ ;)
[19:39] <ernstp> and it doesn't get to show a "Do you want to save the document?" dialog in either case, does it? did that before
[19:39] <teamcobra> nop, no save confirmation
[19:39] <ernstp> teamcobra: think that works as it should in Hardy
[19:40] <teamcobra> interesting, never noticed it
[19:40] <pwnguin> teamcobra: what's really annoying is that it blocks on unsaved without changing virtual desktops
[19:41] <teamcobra> pwnguin, that's pretty brutal
[19:41] <ernstp> pwnguin: well the "blocking logout" dialog appears on the current desktop now
[19:41] <pwnguin> i hit power button and logout, and it sits there with a dialog on some other screen =/
[19:41] <td123> so when is the new look getting incorperated? beta or rc or final?
[19:41] <ernstp> pwnguin: so that's kindof fixed
[19:41] <pwnguin> ernstp: well yay
[19:41] <pwnguin> td123: beta probably
[19:42] <ernstp> td123: they love putting in the artwork the last day :-)
[19:42] <pwnguin> there's an ubuntu artwork team, and then a canonical artwork team it seems
[19:43] <pwnguin> ive been observing them for the last cycle. basically people put stuff together, then someone else says "it looks great, i'd love that for the default" and then someone else says "THATS NOT WHAT WE DO!"
[19:44] <pwnguin> this is actually an improvement
[19:44] <pwnguin> where the last guy would usually go "PLEASE DONT TOP POST!"
[19:44] <td123> this may be off topic but does anyone know of a good virtual machine for windows? I'm using qemu atm and it is SLOW. :/ microsoft virtual pc pops up an "error".. figures.
[19:45] <pwnguin> how fast is the host computer?
[19:45] <td123> core 2 duo dual core 1.66ghz
[19:46] <td123> 2gigs of memory
[19:46] <pwnguin> so that has the virtualization extensions
[19:46] <teamcobra> td123: virtualbox
[19:46] <pwnguin> td123: can you describe how slow it is?
[19:47] <pwnguin> emulation is going to nessecarily mean slowdown
[19:47] <teamcobra> I'm putting up enomalism2 on a vm box on monday (kvm-based), threw intrepid on this lappy to test the newest kvm ;)
[19:47] <pwnguin> qemu has an accelerator module but i donno if its available for windows
[19:47] <td123> pwnguin: to get a6 running, I left it for about 40mins
[19:47] <teamcobra> pwnguin, I believe he's talking about a vm for windows hosts, so yeah, qemu wouldn't be accelerated
[19:48] <pwnguin> a6?
[19:48] <pwnguin> oh, ubuntu alpha 6
[19:48] <td123> alpha 6, 8.10
[19:48] <pwnguin> vmware has some stuff
[19:48] <td123> vmware isn't free
[19:48] <pwnguin> ive used a free version
[19:48] <pwnguin> it might be missing features you need
[19:48] <td123> pwnguin: their player is free
[19:49] <td123> pwnguin: but you have to have an image of the harddisk...
[19:49] <pwnguin> does vmware handle qemu images?
[19:49] <td123> pwnguin: that's why its called a player :)
[19:49] <darthanubis> wonder what makes the pulseaudio server just quit and never restart?
[19:49] <td123> pwnguin: hard disk images should be all handled the same
[19:50] <darthanubis> very annoying to have to reboot just to regain sound
[19:50] <pwnguin> then i don't understnd the problem; just install with qemu, and run with vmware player?
[19:50] <pwnguin> if qemu isnt fast enough
[19:50] <td123> pwnguin: installing will take several hours..
[19:50] <pwnguin> so does sleeping
[19:51] <td123> pwnguin: your method only works if you didn't just wake up
[19:51] <pwnguin> its not my method
[19:51] <td123> :P
[19:51] <pwnguin> my method is step one: ditch windows as a host
[19:52] <td123> pwnguin: well then can you please fix my ruckus and counter strike problem on ubuntu :P
[19:52] <pwnguin> dual boot?
[19:52] <td123> pwnguin: I do
[19:53] <pwnguin> ive used wine and day of defeat before
[19:53] <pwnguin> donno about source engine
[19:53] <td123> pwnguin: it's not source, it's original, and it's a known problem without any solutions
[19:53] <teamcobra> td123: virtualbox is free
[19:54] <teamcobra> and has win32 acceleration of some sort, I'm 99.9% sure
[19:54] <td123> teamcobra: oh ya, I forgot that you mentioned it :P I was to busy conversating :D
[19:54] <teamcobra> _and_ has the advantage of not being horrid ;)
[19:54] <teamcobra> give it a spin
[19:54] <td123> teamcobra: ya, using windows cmd isn't exactly pretty
[19:55] <teamcobra> indeed, quite the opposite
[19:55] <pwnguin> no, horrid is bochs
[19:55] <pwnguin> i had the pleasure of using bochs for a MINIX course
[19:55] <td123> lol
[19:56] <pwnguin> if you alt+tab away from it, the keyboard goes berzerk greek style
[19:56] <td123> pwnguin: it's just another feature
[19:57] <pwnguin> there's also colinux
[19:57] <pwnguin> which is like... crazy magic
[19:58] <td123> pwnguin: k, I'm writing all this down, because atm, I'm on a 32kb connection :P
[19:58] <pwnguin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines
[19:59] <td123> clicking on that link is like opening a fork bomb for my connection :P
[19:59] <pwnguin> its a table
[19:59] <teamcobra> hahaha, or a fork bomb for the mind ;)
[19:59] <pwnguin> but it's got everything i can think of
[20:00] <teamcobra> is it too late to propose a package for intrepid?
[20:00] <td123> well it wasn't that bad, but wikipedia in general has huge pages for my type of connection
[20:00] <gnomefreak> td123: yes
[20:01] <gnomefreak> oops
[20:01] <gnomefreak> teamcobra: yes
[20:01] <teamcobra> d'oh ;p ;p ;p
[20:01] <gnomefreak> 8/26 was the feature freeze
[20:01] <td123> teamcobra: no, as long as the proposal is for 9.04
[20:01] <teamcobra> heh, well, I guess that will have to suffice... http://www.enomalism.com/ , lemme know if you guys think it would be useful
[20:02] <danbh_intrepid> !release
[20:02] <danbh_intrepid> !schedule
[20:02] <teamcobra> thanks, bookmarked
[20:02] <td123> teamcobra: I would gladly tell you, if only your website was 32kb dl friendly
[20:03] <pwnguin> let me be clear: there's almost no way that could make it in by the deadline
[20:03] <teamcobra> td123: not my website
[20:04] <td123> teamcobra: can you pastebin a description of whatever you're trying to get our opinion from?
[20:04] <td123> I would appreciate it :P
[20:04] <pwnguin> td123: it's a cloud computing platform
[20:04] <pwnguin> agpl'd
[20:05] <teamcobra> with a nice web interface for controlling your clusters/vm's
[20:07] <TheFuzzball> Has anyone gotten a Belkin F5D7050B wireless card working in Intrepid yet?
[20:07] <TheFuzzball> It uses the RT73 chipset
[20:08] <teamcobra> not that particular model, but I have used an rt73 card in intrepid
[20:09] <teamcobra> actually, Ralink Technology, Corp. RT2501USB Wireless Adapter is currently working here right now (rt73 module loaded)
[20:09] <TheFuzzball> I am having trouble with mine :( it works fine in Hardy with the default drivers, but not Intrepid.
[20:09] <TheFuzzball> I have tried installing the rt73 driver from serialmonkey but get an error 1
[20:10] <teamcobra> hrmmmmm... weren't there 2 revisions, with the latter not working for the longest time? sounds like regression rears its ugly head...
[20:10] <teamcobra> fuzzball: and you've installed your headers/ the build-essential package, I assume
[20:10] <TheFuzzball> Hmm
[20:10] <TheFuzzball> yes
[20:11] <td123> do they plan to change the install dialog into a one pager? the current one is pointlessly long
[20:12] <td123> imo
[20:13] <teamcobra> brb
[20:38] <lacostej> hei hei ! Suspend and hibernate options disappeared from the GNOME log out / shutdown menu. Is that normal ?=
[20:39] <akio> what is the repo line for intrepid?
[20:39] <lacostej> akio: deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid main restricted universe multiverse
[20:39] <lacostej> etc...
[20:39] <akio> gratsi
[20:40] <akio> and can i just full-upgrade to it?
[20:40] <akio> running hardy 64
[20:40] <lacostej> use update-manager -d
[20:40] <akio> ill take a look
[20:40] <akio> ty
[20:40] <lacostej> good luck :)
[20:41] <EvilDaemon> Are there any virtual machine things that work with Intrepid?
[20:42] <Unksi> EvilDaemon: as guest or host?
[20:42] <EvilDaemon> the host is intrepid
[20:42] <lacostej> mmm, looks like the switch user applet has a suspend button... trying...
[20:42] <Unksi> virtualbox 2 and 1.66 does
[20:42] <lacostej> nothing.
[20:42] <EvilDaemon> okay. which one do you reccommend? @Unksi
[20:43] <Unksi> intrepid has 1.64 afaik so you might have to get it from virtualbox.org
[20:43] <lacostej> BRB, will reboot my X session. Remember I saw som HAL failed error dialog
[20:43] <Unksi> im using 2, i'd recommend that as it has improvements over 1.x and you can have 64bit guest as well
[20:43] <akio> whoa, update-manager -d is better than full-upgrade
[20:43] <EvilDaemon> right, thanks.
[20:43] <Unksi> np
[20:44] <akio> this is cool, never seen this before
[20:45] <EvilDaemon> Unksi: I'm going to download it from virtualbox.org.  Which one do I want? Hardy? I'm semi-clueless.
[20:46] <Unksi> im using hardy version as they dont provide intrepid yet, works fine so far
[20:46] <akio> i did notice a lot of breaks in the gvfs on intrepid, is that because of the freedesktop move?
[20:46] <EvilDaemon> okay. Thanks for all the help.
[20:46] <Unksi> youre welcome
[20:48] <lacostej> OK. that was it. Some issue with hal caused it. I logged out, restarted dbus from a console (sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart) then logged in and now suspend and hibernate are back in the System>Shut Down dialog. Thanks
[21:03] <EvilDaemon> Unksi: Well, I got the .deb installed. But I can't find it in the menues anywhere.
[21:04] <Unksi> EvilDaemon: are you using gnome?
[21:04] <EvilDaemon> For sure.
[21:04] <Unksi> ok, it shows up at menus well in kde
[21:06] <Unksi> in system section.. dunno if theres an option there for showing up kde entries or something
[21:08] <EvilDaemon> That's stupid.... I got it, but you have you have to toggle it 8 or nine times while editing those menues.
[21:09] <EvilDaemon> Thanks for the help. (again)
[21:09] <Unksi> youre welcome :)
[21:11] <nacho> Hi
[21:11] <nacho> anybody have the problem that pressing Places->Home folder it opens totem instead of nautilus  ?
[21:12] <zerwas> there is a bug report which is not "incomplete" (is there a definition of this status?). Can i change the status so this bug won't expire? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/264287
[21:14] <danbh_intrepid> zerwas: why do you want to change the status?
[21:14]  * danbh_intrepid uses that keyboard
[21:14] <zerwas> danbh_intrepid: because it will expire if not changed
[21:14] <zerwas> danbh_intrepid: are your zoom keys working?
[21:14] <danbh_intrepid> zerwas: why isnt the info being provided
[21:14] <danbh_intrepid> ?
[21:14] <danbh_intrepid> no, zoom doesnt work, but calculator does
[21:15] <zerwas> danbh_intrepid: because hotkeyresearch does not give information as benjamin said
[21:18] <danbh_intrepid> meh, keyboard support is FUBAR'ed in intrepid anyway
[21:19] <danbh_intrepid> zerwas: don't worry about expiration, I have inside info that it means nothing.   Except that maybe people will maybe ignore the bug report
[21:20] <zerwas> danbh_intrepid: umm ... ok. so "incomplete" is the right status?
[21:20] <danbh_intrepid> when I said keyboard support is fubar, I say that because the keyboard applet crashes, and I think there are a few known bugs
[21:21] <zerwas> didn't experience a crash of the applet so far... with my pc104 keyboard ;-)
[21:21] <zerwas> btw, i really want a new keyboard because i want a silent one
[21:21] <danbh_intrepid> no, but I don't care particularly, for the above reasons.  (no offence)      I'm personally going subscribe to the bug, and wait till beta before I try to post any info/ set the right status
[21:22] <danbh_intrepid> you dont; like the microsoft 4000?
[21:23] <zerwas> not anymore. If it would be silent, it would be super cool. but people are sleeping close-by to the keyboard ...
[21:23] <danbh_intrepid> its not that loud, IMHO
[21:23] <zerwas> hm there are louder keyboards, right
[21:24] <zerwas> but there does not seem to *any* almost quit one on the market :-(
[21:24] <zerwas> s/to/to be
[21:25] <danbh_intrepid> I was bringing that up, because I think it counts as a quiet keyboard.  So, if you go and get a quiet keyboard, you will probably have something just as loud.  You'll probably have to do the research, and find one that is dead silent
[21:26] <danbh_intrepid> I was researching that awhile back, and I don't think there are allot of options
[21:26] <meoblast001> hi
[21:26] <meoblast001> does anyone here have a screenshot of the 8.10 theme
[21:27] <meoblast001> im trying to figure out what it looks like
[21:27] <meoblast001> i heard bad things
[21:27] <meoblast001> so i want to figure out what i think for myself
[21:27] <danbh_intrepid> er, I think its bugged atm
[21:27] <danbh_intrepid> !schedule
[21:28] <danbh_intrepid> artwork isnt even due for another 4 days
[21:28] <zerwas> danbh_intrepid: right. thanko sold one. and there are those silicon keyboards where you think you write on dosh. that's all options i found
[21:29] <danbh_intrepid> zerwas: just to confirm, non of those words are spelling errors, right?
[21:29] <danbh_intrepid> im not familiar with thanko or dosh
[21:30] <zerwas> danbh_intrepid: mh.. i can't find a translation for the word i need ("moos" in german). "thanko" is the company which sold a silent keyboard
[21:31] <danbh_intrepid> zerwas: can you describe it?
[21:32] <danbh_intrepid> zerwas: if you got money: http://www.electronickeyboards.com/silent-keyboards.html
[21:33] <zerwas> danbh_intrepid: what i meant was: a silicon keyboard feels like walking on this: http://bienemaja.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/phoenix/src/Moos.jpg
[21:34] <danbh_intrepid> zerwas: moss
[21:34] <knittl> zerwas: moos ist auf english moss
[21:34] <knittl> xD
[21:34] <zerwas> ok :D
[21:34] <zerwas> danbh_intrepid: yep i thought about buying one of those but i would like to try it out first ...
[21:35] <danbh_intrepid> zerwas: so one of these?  http://www.clitheroelancs.co.uk/
[21:35] <knittl> i recommend switching to neo :)
[21:35] <zerwas> danbh_intrepid: yep. those are not usable
[21:36] <knittl> we have one at home. it's horrible to type on them :)
[21:47] <N1ckR> What are the chances of Open Office 3 being available to intrepid when it is released (assuming releases for intrepid and OO3 go to plan)?
[21:48] <td123> N1ckR: if it isn't already included, it won't be... it's past the freeze
[21:50] <td123> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[21:50] <pwnguin> well I'll be damned
[21:50] <N1ckR> Hmmm as I suspected td123, hopefully someone will bung it on a backport repository then. Im currently running debian testing due to problems with Hardy was going to retry Intrepid, but might stick with Deb testing for now.
[21:50] <pwnguin> jacksense finally works
[21:50] <td123> jacksense?
[21:50] <td123> wine>
[21:50] <td123> ?
[21:51] <danbh_intrepid> N1ckR: where is the schedule for openoffice?
[21:51] <td123> N1ckR: don't worry, there will certainly be an unofficial version :P
[21:52] <td123> pwnguin: ahh, its a driver thing, ok :P
[21:53] <pwnguin> jacksense is an audio thing
[21:53] <td123> N1ckR: current version of oo.o is 2.4 so that's what its going to be :_(
[21:54] <danbh_intrepid> N1ckR: I bet if openoffice had a release schedule, it could've made it into intrepid, but I can't find it...
[21:54] <pwnguin> they have a release schedule, im sure
[21:55] <pwnguin> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease30
[21:56] <danbh_intrepid> crap, I missed software freedom day
[21:56] <danbh_intrepid> pwnguin: nice, I could not find it!
[21:57] <N1ckR> "Product release: September 30, 2008 ? "
[21:58] <crimsun> jack sense is a driver-layer toggle that sets the appropriate register(s) when a plug is inserted or removed.  A common example would be inserting a headphone plug (or removing it).  It's often tied to muting the internal speakers of the device.  We do this in the various codec patches for ALSA.
[21:58] <danbh_intrepid> hmmm, maybe you should file a bug?  If they can guarantee that, then it should've  been included in intrepid.  I would think
[22:17] <teamcobra> looks like nvidia-glx-177 and kvm hate each other ;p ;p ;p
[22:47] <outbri> What has changed in intrepid that now usb stuff does not auto-mount/gives you errors about mounting?
[22:48] <LimCore> hi
[22:48] <LimCore> is interpid almost 100% stable now, and good idea to install it on production desktop-laptop? or not really?
[22:48] <LimCore> I mean, I know it is alpha etc etc, but in practise?
[22:49] <void^> uh.. no, not really.
[22:54] <RyanPrior> Is Human the default Intrepid theme, or is NewHuman?
[22:56] <mp> Question: How can I upgrade to Intrepid Alpha in Kubuntu?
[22:56] <mp> Ubuntu users do 'update-manager -d' but what do we do in KDE?
[22:58] <danbh_intrepid> !upgrade
[22:59] <danbh_intrepid> mp: probably something like adept-manager -d
[22:59] <mp> isn't working unfortunately :(
[22:59] <mp> neither adept_manager -d
[23:00] <danbh_intrepid> mp well, whats the program name?
[23:00] <mp> adept_manager and adept_updater I think
[23:02] <Glady> well
[23:02] <Glady> all here
[23:03] <danbh_intrepid> mp: adept_manager --version-upgrade
[23:03] <mp> danbh, that doesn't work either
[23:04] <danbh_intrepid> mp: have you looked at the help for adept?
[23:04] <mp> nah, it's past midnight and I have to get up early tomorrow so I think I'll just leave it be for now and work on it tomorrow.. :)
[23:05] <Glady> where are u mp?
[23:05] <mp> Denmark
[23:05] <Glady> oh
[23:05] <mp> And now: On my way to bed
[23:05] <Glady> very far
[23:06] <Glady> what is mp for?
[23:06] <Glady> blue
[23:06] <Glady> ?
[23:08] <Glady> merde
[23:08] <Glady> pourquoi c si complique
[23:11] <Glady> je suis fatiguee moi
[23:12] <Glady> Dave2
[23:12] <Glady> who is that guy
[23:14] <Glady> oh oh oh
[23:14] <Glady> all fake
[23:16] <W9ZEB> how reliable is flash through the pluginwrapper on AMD64?
[23:18] <Glady> reliable
[23:18] <Glady> so kiddy testing
[23:19] <Glady> I m free as far as I know
[23:20] <Glady> hmm?
[23:21] <Glady> as far as I know I dont betray as I dont have any job
[23:22] <Glady> and
[23:22] <Glady> plus
[23:23] <Glady> I saw my spy in my own parliament which means he is one of ur guys
[23:23] <Glady> ahahaha
[23:23] <Yondering> anyone familiar with intrepid?  installed alpha6 the other day but I can't seem to get it to keep a static I.P. - it keeps reassigning.   It's fine if I leave it set to use dhcp, but that's not what I want.
[23:23] <Glady> what u want
[23:24] <danbh_intrepid> Glady: maybe you should move along
[23:25] <Glady> u deserve a smash
[23:27] <Yondering> wow, nobody uses a static I.P. with intrepid, eh? ;)
[23:30] <Glady> nobody
[23:33] <crimsun> Yondering: I do.  I set it in interfaces(5).
[23:35] <Yondering> hmm interfaces?  I'm using the xfce image..I just tried to set it with the icon that appears in the system tray.. that's the same thing?
[23:35] <Yondering> networkmanager applet.
[23:41] <Glady> okay
[23:43] <Volkodav_> can I check the update from terminal?