| thorwil | kwwii: i can't find your palette anymore. only thing i do find is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ubuntu-palette.png | 11:08 |
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| kwwii | thorwil: I'll send it to you per email | 12:36 |
| thorwil | kwwii: ok, thanks | 12:36 |
| thorwil | strange how mdz is subscribed to only one particular page of those i'm editing | 12:38 |
| kwwii | thorwil: freaky that he would subscribe to any art page really | 12:41 |
| kwwii | but if he finds the time to read it, good for him :-) | 12:41 |
| thorwil | heh. just my Process page won't be that enlightening, though :) | 12:42 |
| JoeyReds | hey guys - what do you think of this - http://img92.imageshack.us/my.php?image=comp1ra3.jpg | 12:43 |
| JoeyReds | not finished yet obviously. | 12:44 |
| thorwil | JoeyReds: jacksonhyde? | 12:44 |
| JoeyReds | :) | 12:44 |
| JoeyReds | +10 points | 12:44 |
| thorwil | i just hope you will stick to one nick in future, makes things much simpler :) | 12:45 |
| JoeyReds | heh, yeah I will. | 12:45 |
| * JoeyReds sticks | 12:45 | |
| thorwil | JoeyReds: you might want to tell us a bit about your intentions there | 12:46 |
| JoeyReds | well I was just playing about really. | 12:46 |
| thorwil | JoeyReds: i like the breadcrumb widget, with a rounded "origin". the last, active button is problematic, though. that kind of darkening tends to say recessed, bu it isn't | 12:47 |
| JoeyReds | I wanted to see what a dark title bar looked like and it all kind of came from there really. | 12:47 |
| JoeyReds | I can recess it, similar to the back/next drop downs. | 12:47 |
| JoeyReds | yeah, the breadcrumbs is my favorite part. | 12:48 |
| JoeyReds | I'm going to make my own icons, but for now I just used the Hardy ones. | 12:48 |
| thorwil | JoeyReds: the icons on buttons don't quite do it. the rounded buttons are problematic for i think the say Apple | 12:49 |
| JoeyReds | I pretty much ripped them from Firefox actually. | 12:50 |
| JoeyReds | but yes, they are quite appley | 12:50 |
| thorwil | ff 3 is adapted to the mac/win/linux platform, afaik | 12:50 |
| thorwil | in looks, i mean | 12:50 |
| JoeyReds | ah yeah, I just booted FF in ubuntu and I see what you mean. | 12:51 |
| JoeyReds | I guess I'll have to be a bit more original. :) | 12:51 |
| thorwil | JoeyReds: the content part (white) looks very clearly sunken in, which i think is very good. however, the divider is unclear. the status bar at the bottom doesn't tell me if it comes forwards or tries to step back | 12:52 |
| JoeyReds | yeah, I haven't really looked at that bit yet, just stuck it in there for completion's sake. | 12:53 |
| JoeyReds | so what kind of process is used to actually build the theme? | 12:54 |
| thorwil | JoeyReds: there are other here who can answer that much better | 12:55 |
| thorwil | JoeyReds: but generally, you need to pick a theme engine and write a theme for it | 12:55 |
| thorwil | JoeyReds: where it obviously makes sense to choose one that is or will be in ubuntu | 12:56 |
| JoeyReds | Murrine? | 12:56 |
| thorwil | JoeyReds: we have one engine author here, Cimi | 12:56 |
| thorwil | yes | 12:56 |
| JoeyReds | yeah I was speaking to him last night. | 12:56 |
| JoeyReds | his website ranks #2 for 'murrine' | 12:57 |
| thorwil | from mockup to implementation is quite a barrier | 12:57 |
| JoeyReds | so I see. | 12:58 |
| thorwil | JoeyReds: for the next cycle, i hope i can convince people to work in a dual approach. to target a current engine for the upcoming release, but to also work on mockups not bound to current limits. to see what should be made possible | 12:59 |
| JoeyReds | sounds interesting. | 13:00 |
| zniavre | bonjour / hello | 13:00 |
| thorwil | feet on the ground, head in the clouds :) | 13:00 |
| thorwil | hello zniavre | 13:00 |
| zniavre | sorry to give opinion i really like the biggest button on your mockup | 13:01 |
| JoeyReds | the back/next buttons. | 13:01 |
| JoeyReds | ? | 13:01 |
| zniavre | yes | 13:01 |
| JoeyReds | don't be sorry about giving an opinion! | 13:01 |
| zniavre | im more used to read than speak | 13:01 |
| JoeyReds | yeah, they're very similar to the mac Firefox buttons. | 13:01 |
| zniavre | i do not care they do some good looking too | 13:02 |
| JoeyReds | yeah, exactly what I thought. | 13:02 |
| JoeyReds | as thorwill said they are a bit too mac-ish. | 13:02 |
| thorwil | is that the actual ff3/mac look? http://www.stupendous.net/files/ff3b4mac.png | 13:03 |
| zniavre | there is in wiki a nautilus mockup with just one button bigger than another ,looks really nice to make "modern" look | 13:03 |
| JoeyReds | a little different. | 13:04 |
| thorwil | can't find another shot so far | 13:04 |
| JoeyReds_ | that's how mine looks in Leopard | 13:06 |
| JoeyReds_ | hmm... | 13:06 |
| thorwil | btw, xs.to is a very nice image hoster | 13:06 |
| JoeyReds_ | what does the _ suffix mean? | 13:07 |
| JoeyReds_ | I've actually got my own server but couldn't be bothered to FTP. | 13:07 |
| JoeyReds_ | but I'll remember that. | 13:07 |
| thorwil | JoeyReds_: if get thrown out of irc and get back, your old self is still "locked in" | 13:08 |
| thorwil | JoeyReds_: so irc clients usually have alternative nicks to use in that case | 13:08 |
| JoeyReds_ | ah yes, I remember that from my old IRC days. | 13:08 |
| thorwil | per default oldnick_ and oldnick__ | 13:08 |
| thorwil | aided by nickserv, you can actually kick your ghost self out, but it seems rarely does anyoe bother | 13:11 |
| JoeyReds_ | I'm not fussed | 13:11 |
| thorwil | registering with nickserv is a good idea, anyway. to avoid having your nick stolen. also it can be that you can't PM without | 13:12 |
| thorwil | JoeyReds_: how's your experienced regarding formalized process? briefing, research, conception, design ... goals, audience, message, requirements? | 13:15 |
| zniavre | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Ubuntu_8.10_Guideline_Proposal_%28Keyhole%29?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=SampleNautilus_Small.png | 13:15 |
| JoeyReds_ | well I have to use such processes every day at work. | 13:15 |
| JoeyReds_ | although the brand managers haven't seemed to have quite grasped it yet, much to my team's annoyance. | 13:16 |
| JoeyReds_ | zniavre: cool, so it's already been talked about | 13:16 |
| JoeyReds_ | ? | 13:16 |
| thorwil | JoeyReds_: i ask because i'm working on something along those lines for the next and coming cycles. maybe i can announce it this evening or during monday | 13:17 |
| JoeyReds_ | setting up formalized processes? | 13:17 |
| JoeyReds_ | I'm all for it. | 13:17 |
| thorwil | JoeyReds_: yes. naturally it's an offer, not a requirement | 13:18 |
| JoeyReds_ | I think at spec stage, you *have* to look at target audience, at planning stage you'd be an idiot not to set milestones and for production stage you need a brief for efficient work, | 13:19 |
| thorwil | JoeyReds_: it's not official yet, but not exactly a secret here, so: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/KyudoGuidelines | 13:20 |
| JoeyReds_ | looks good. | 13:21 |
| thorwil | JoeyReds_: my own training is actually in industrial design. i will be happy for input, especially from a pro :) | 13:21 |
| JoeyReds_ | well I can offer any expertise I have. | 13:22 |
| thorwil | cool :) | 13:22 |
| JoeyReds_ | Are there project managers in the artwork group? | 13:22 |
| JoeyReds_ | and if not, why not? | 13:23 |
| thorwil | JoeyReds_: kwwii (Kenneth Wimer) is employed as art director at Canonical. it is actually not his job to her the art community, but he did anyway, to some degree :) | 13:23 |
| thorwil | JoeyReds_: we are trying to keep the chaos down and have a meritocracy | 13:25 |
| JoeyReds_ | I see. | 13:25 |
| thorwil | herd the art community, i wanted to write | 13:25 |
| JoeyReds_ | brb | 13:25 |
| * thorwil -> coffee | 13:37 | |
| JoeyReds_ | k | 13:37 |
| === JoeyReds_ is now known as JoeyReds | ||
| JoeyReds | how about this for button structure: http://xs131.xs.to/xs131/08380/comp2643.jpg | 13:57 |
| JoeyReds | is it just me or are the ubuntu forums down? | 14:00 |
| === jacksonhyde is now known as JoeyReds | ||
| rsc__ | hi fellas :) | 15:10 |
| thorwil | hi rsc__ | 15:11 |
| rsc__ | not sure where to ask this. its not directly an artwork-related question, but how can i do something like FOO=`date +%Y` in a makefile? | 15:12 |
| rsc__ | i'm trying to make some Makefiles for my themes to help ease packaging. | 15:12 |
| rsc__ | hoora, its $(shell date +%Y) | 15:14 |
| rsc__ | Damn. setting up a PPA looks like hard work | 16:18 |
| rsc_ | damn i can't even figure out how to make a .deb of a gtk theme. haha | 17:49 |
| thorwil | rsc_: ask MMA or kwwii on monday | 17:56 |
| Nece228 | does intrepid beta will have brand new theme? | 17:59 |
| dashua | rsc_: http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_1.png | 18:00 |
| dashua | Nice work. | 18:00 |
| dashua | I like the new scrollbars from trunk. | 18:00 |
| dashua | Is there any other way to get the gtkrc's to work with murrine trunk other than changing style - profile? | 18:02 |
| Nece228 | dashua: this will be default in intrepid? | 18:03 |
| dashua | Nece228: No, this a community theme. | 18:04 |
| dashua | Canonical has apparently hired a UI designer for default. | 18:05 |
| Nece228 | dashua: so ubuntu intrepid beta will have brand new look? | 18:09 |
| Nece228 | dashua: and new icons? | 18:09 |
| dashua | Nece228: Hopefully. :) | 18:10 |
| Nece228 | dont you know when murrine transparency will be released public? | 18:10 |
| CimiDS | no I don't | 18:13 |
| Nece228 | i cant wait for it | 18:13 |
| Nece228 | :] | 18:13 |
| CimiDS | it doesn't depend on me | 18:14 |
| Nece228 | the thing i notice is that murrine is not faster than clearlooks, compare clearlooks classic and murrine | 18:15 |
| CimiDS | it requires a gtk+ patch to enable RGBA colormap by default | 18:15 |
| Nece228 | its hard, but cool | 18:15 |
| CimiDS | it depends on the roundness | 18:15 |
| CimiDS | and the options | 18:15 |
| Nece228 | then why you say that its 30% faster? | 18:15 |
| Nece228 | it can be even slower too | 18:16 |
| CimiDS | because with default values it is | 18:16 |
| CimiDS | and consider that i've improved clearlooks performances since 2.18 | 18:16 |
| CimiDS | it was slower when i've written the first murrine release | 18:17 |
| CimiDS | now they are comparable | 18:17 |
| Nece228 | i want gtk engine which has animated buttons :( | 18:17 |
| CimiDS | and both really fast compared to any pixmap theme | 18:18 |
| CimiDS | why you need those? to slowdown you system? | 18:18 |
| Nece228 | it dont slow down your system, kde style polyester is as fast as plastik for me | 18:19 |
| Nece228 | i didnt see any difference in 900 mhz machine ;] | 18:20 |
| CimiDS | kde 3 is not using vectorial drawings | 18:21 |
| CimiDS | with antialias | 18:21 |
| CimiDS | kde4 was the first release to introduce this | 18:21 |
| Nece228 | hmm | 18:22 |
| CimiDS | while gnome introduced it 3 years ago | 18:22 |
| CimiDS | antialias is slower | 18:22 |
| Nece228 | CimiDS: so gtk2 is more powerful than qtx? | 18:22 |
| CimiDS | in terms of vectorial drawings they are comparable | 18:23 |
| Nece228 | CimiDS: so i think there's no point to create gtk3 | 18:24 |
| Nece228 | CimiDS: and gnome3 with it | 18:24 |
| CimiDS | maybe gtk+ has more features, though it is slower because it lacks of a opengl backend | 18:24 |
| CimiDS | no, gtk+3 is necessary because there's too much code inside gtk2 which stops further development (to preserve API compatibility) | 18:25 |
| CimiDS | with 3.0 much code will be removed, opening the way to new features | 18:26 |
| Nece228 | CimiDS: oh, you are really clever | 18:26 |
| === CimiDS is now known as Cimi | ||
| Nece228 | omg | 18:26 |
| Nece228 | cimi opua - murrine founder | 18:26 |
| Cimi | I'm the author of murrine, so I'm the founder of that channel | 18:27 |
| Cimi | easy :) | 18:27 |
| Nece228 | Cimi: but qt4 seems to be MUCH more heavy than gtk2 | 18:28 |
| Cimi | heavy? | 18:28 |
| Cimi | what do you mean? | 18:28 |
| Nece228 | Cimi: my english is bad sorry, i mean gtk2 is much more faster than qt4 | 18:28 |
| Cimi | yeah | 18:28 |
| Cimi | opengl backend is not enabled by default | 18:29 |
| Nece228 | Cimi: when i enable video rendering (composite) gnome becames much more smooth | 18:29 |
| Cimi | though gtk+ has clutter to draw opengl canvases (to embed opengl stuff inside a program) | 18:30 |
| Nece228 | Cimi: is this somethink like opengl backend? | 18:30 |
| Cimi | no | 18:30 |
| Cimi | but they cache the windows | 18:30 |
| Cimi | with compiz the windows are inside the video card's VRAM | 18:31 |
| Nece228 | Cimi: can i ask some other question? | 18:33 |
| Cimi | y, but i will answer later | 18:33 |
| Cimi | a bit busy actually | 18:33 |
| Nece228 | Cimi: ok | 18:33 |
| Cimi | :/ | 18:33 |
| Nece228 | Cimi: what do you mean by also few dollars to donate me a Coke? | 18:35 |
| Cimi | donations are a way to say "thanks" to someone who have donated his time to the free software. I usually drink a lot of Coke :). btw i will ask for more donations, actually I'm on a nintendo DS because i don't have a laptop :( neither a cheap one | 18:43 |
| Nece228 | Cimi: my dictionary shows that coke is drugs like heroin or somethink lol | 18:48 |
| Cimi | lol | 18:48 |
| Cimi | coke is the beverage | 18:48 |
| Nece228 | Cimi: i thinked that you are using drugs :D | 18:48 |
| Cimi | in italy it is also known as Coca Cola | 18:49 |
| Nece228 | Cimi: yeah i understand now | 18:49 |
| Nece228 | Cimi: i love italy, the best designers in the world are in italy | 18:49 |
| Cimi | thanks | 18:50 |
| Nece228 | Cimi: your welcome | 18:50 |
| Nece228 | Cimi: ok i have to go sleep - tommorow hard day | 18:50 |
| Nece228 | bye | 18:50 |
| Cimi | bye | 18:51 |
| aantn | dashua: who did canonical hire? | 18:55 |
| savvas | coke is short for cocain :P | 18:59 |
| Cimi | oh shit | 19:01 |
| savvas | haha | 19:01 |
| pwnguin | Cimi: you're using DSOrganize? | 19:13 |
| pwnguin | you know, a DS and flashcart is probably more expensive than a eee | 19:14 |
| savvas | DiSOrganize? :p | 19:14 |
| pwnguin | it's sort of a palm pilot app for the DS that also has useful stuff | 19:15 |
| pwnguin | unlike palm | 19:15 |
| savvas | ah nice | 19:15 |
| pwnguin | web browser, irc | 19:15 |
| Cimi | pwnguin, I bought this DS a long time ago | 19:21 |
| Cimi | btw I'm using CLIRC, which is comparable with a complete irc client (supports logs and file trabsfers) | 19:22 |
| pwnguin | heh, i have a DS, DS lite, and I bought a tabletPC in part to have a ds emulator ;) | 19:26 |
| JustinWhite | Hello? | 20:14 |
| thorwil | echo | 20:15 |
| === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG | ||
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