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[reed]asac: ping?05:52
asac[reed]: pong ... still awake?09:20
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ftaasac, i would like your help for tb312:35
asacfta: what is the problem?12:37
ftaException: ReferenceError: gBrowser is not defined12:37
fta<fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/tb3-1.png12:38
fta<fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/tb3-2.png12:38
fta<fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/tb3-3.png12:38
fta<fta> same from dist/bin12:38
asacusually it means that something is missing in the chrome12:38
ftaassuming b1 is imminent, i doubt it's that bad12:38
asacwhen did that start?12:38
ftadonno, my last version was a2 in cvs12:39
asacfta: have you tried if using the "upstream" build instructions make this go away?12:39
gnomefreakit started in the lat alpha or beta1 i dont remember thats one of the reasons i havent updated my PPA for b112:41
gnomefreaks/lat/last12:42
asachi gnomefreak12:42
gnomefreakhi12:42
asacwell. i am trying to build comm-central now12:42
asacwill try to stay away from computer as much as possible today ... otherwise my stamina will not last throughout the next week i frea12:42
asacfear12:42
* gnomefreak thinking of taking a look at bookmarksftp maybe i can fix it and there than is no need to push another bookmarks extension12:43
asacfta: could also be a corrupted profile or something12:44
asachave you tried a fresh profile?12:44
sebnerfta: for me it's working though :)12:46
ftaindeed, seems better with a fresh profile, mine was a copy of my 2.0 profile12:46
ftasebner, my ppa ?12:47
asacfta: ok12:47
sebnerfta: sure12:47
asacfta: copy of a .mozilla-thunderbird one?12:47
ftayes12:47
asacor .thunderbird (like produced by upstream builds)12:47
asacfta: check wehther there is an absolute path or something12:47
ftano, i clone .mozilla-thunderbird => .thunderbird-3.0 at startup12:48
asacfta: yes12:48
asacthats what i understood12:48
asacthe reason why i didnt migrate to .thunderbird in the past12:48
sebnerasac: and so it's working for me :)12:48
asacwas because there were always regressions for some people when i tried12:48
sebnerasac: argh -> to fta12:48
asacwhich usually should boil down to absolute paths that are in the profile from early tbird times12:49
asaci couldnt spot which ... thus maybe we have the chance to spot another in your profile ;)12:49
asacfta: so lets keep your profile for futher analysis12:50
asacfta: when was the .mozilla-thunderbird profile created?12:50
asaclike < 1 year ... or > 4 years ?12:50
ftai would say 2007-02-0712:51
asacok. then its most likely a migration bug in thunderbird and not an absolute path12:52
asace.g. it would probably happen in the same way if you had used .thunderbird and would still be uing it in 3.x12:52
asacfta: hildon :(12:53
asacdid you add that to build depedns?12:53
ftahildon ? no, why ?12:53
asachttp://paste.ubuntu.com/48867/12:53
asacurgh12:53
asaclet me see .. .may configure found something hildon realted on my system and just deliberately enabled some mobile feature12:54
asachttp://paste.ubuntu.com/48867/12:55
asacsigh12:55
ftalibhildonmime ?12:56
asacthey added it without even thinking about providing a --enable switch12:56
asacfta: yeah12:56
ftathat's in xul12:56
asacif you have that on your system it will fail12:56
asacthe build12:56
asacthat needs to be fixed upstream12:56
asacwith a proper enable flag12:56
asacsame for libosso12:57
asacignorant bastards ;)12:57
asacok lets see how far we get without that mime-dev package on my system,12:59
asacfta: is calendar now integrated in default builds?13:03
ftai don't think so13:03
ftahttp://home.kairo.at/blog/2008-09/welcome_calendar_to_comm_central13:04
ftaso it's in comm-central but not part of tb13:05
ftahttp://www.osnews.com/story/20307/The_Linux_Ecosystem_and_Canonical_s_Contribution13:07
gnomefreakwell that sucks, anyone know where upstream bookmarksftp is? i cant find it anywhere, searches bring up debian i want authors version13:22
gnomefreaknevermind13:23
ftahttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/14?application=firefox&id=1413:24
gnomefreakasac: i think we need to find something else. its not compatible with firefox 3 and hasnt been updated since novenber of 2004 (upstream) see https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/14?id=14&vid=15&category=  i will let debian bug that we need to find another extensions that works and is free13:24
ftait's in the control file13:24
gnomefreakwhat is?13:29
gnomefreakah the upstream link13:30
gnomefreakyeah i already found it13:30
ftagnomefreak, this one is mentioned as a successor https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/842613:37
gnomefreakthanks.13:38
gnomefreakfta: is it too late to remove bookmarksftp from repos? see bug 272746 and im working on syncplaces thank. I thnk i even have upstream bzr branch already13:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 272746 in bookmarksftp "Please removed bookmarksftp from Intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27274613:40
ftaassuming ff2 is removed, there's no point in keeping this ext, it's useless13:42
gnomefreakfta: thats why i filed the bug above13:42
ftabut for the new one, it may be too late for this cycle13:43
ftaasac, ^^ your thoughts ?13:43
asacfta: the fortify fix hasnt landed yet :(13:53
asacin 3.113:54
ftayep,i know, check my branch ;)13:54
sebnerasac: what fix?13:54
asacfta: whats the bug id again?13:54
asacmoz bug13:54
sebnerasac: what bug?  ^ ^13:55
ftabz412610_att335369_realpath_overflow.patch13:55
ftamozilla bug 41261013:55
ubottuMozilla bug 412610 in Startup and Profile System "MAXPATHLEN too small for glibc's realpath()" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41261013:55
asacsebner: fix for http://paste.ubuntu.com/48889/13:55
sebnerasac: when does this occur?13:55
ftamine was bigger :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/48890/13:56
asacsebner: on startup13:56
ftasebner, i fixed it in my ppa13:57
sebnerfta: sure but it's now fixed with your new ppa version13:57
asacsebner: if it doesnt happen it wont happen13:57
sebnerfta: ^^13:57
asacsebner: we have the fix everywhere13:57
asacits just not yet landed upstream13:57
sebnerasac: fix fix fix \o/13:57
asacfta: which patch are we using?13:59
asacthe one with review+?14:00
ftaatt33536914:00
ftahm, i hope that browser/app/application.ini patch will not kill the builders14:04
ftahttps://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Thunderbird3:Schedule14:12
ftaif you want a good laugh: http://webaim.org/blog/user-agent-string-history/14:15
fta5474     Sep 17 Launchpad PPA     (   50) [PPA fta] Accepted: mozilla-devscripts 0.11~fta1 (source)14:16
fta5630     Sep 21 Launchpad PPA     (  101) [PPA fta] [ubuntu/intrepid] xulrunner-1.9.1 1.9.1~b1~hg20080921r19468+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta1 (Accepted)14:16
ftacould it be that ppa will soon build for more than ubuntu ??14:17
gnomefreakthis isnt good :( i need smoke, i think syncplaces is non-free (ok i do know)14:18
gnomefreakcan someone give me an idea if this fits under any of the licenses that we can package in extensions? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/54080914:25
* gnomefreak needs to edit copyright first14:28
gnomefreakmaybe that is MPL? It looks simular from what i can tell14:35
gnomefreakonly thing is it doesnt say what license nor mention of Mozilla in the license14:36
JazzvaMinutes for the last meeting are done... I'm not sure what are the statuses on the current tasks, so I mostly set them to "Not started". https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings/Minutes/2008-09-1414:39
gnomefreakJazzva: can you give me a hint on this license (if its ok to package it) http://pastebin.mozilla.org/54080914:40
JazzvaI think it will never get into the archive.14:41
JazzvaThis Software and its source code are proprietary products of the Author14:41
gnomefreakthats what i saw too but in another paragraph it states we can modify distribute ect...14:42
Jazzvanope, just to use and distribute14:42
Jazzvayou are not allowed to: (a) modify or create any derivative works of the Software; (b) reverse-engineer, decompile, disassemble or otherwise attempt to derive the source code for the Software except and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted by applicable law notwithstanding this limitation; (c) manipulate or alter the components that make up this Software in any way; (d) sell, rent, lease, sublicense, o14:43
Jazzvar otherwise transfer rights to the Software.14:43
gnomefreakah not alloowed to modify i thought it rad we could14:43
gnomefreakwell shit14:43
Jazzvathis is totally non-free...14:43
gnomefreakthis is starting to get hard to find one that is free14:45
Jazzvagnomefreak, aren't there any on the needs-maintainer list?14:45
Jazzvawiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Extensions/List14:45
gnomefreakyeah bookmarksftp and we cant do that14:46
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gnomefreaki think we can get rid of the firefox 3 has .... to hardy14:46
Jazzvahuh?14:47
asacbookmarksftp isnt even in the "need-maintainer" list14:48
gnomefreakonly bookmarkstfp was on there (i just removed it) it is no longer maintained since 2004 it has since changed to syncplaces14:48
gnomefreaki just removed it14:49
asachttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Extensions/List14:49
asacgnomefreak: ^^14:49
asacflashgot and linkwidgets14:49
gnomefreaki know14:49
Volanssoci14:49
gnomefreakI JUST REMOVED IT due to not maintained since 200414:49
asacgnomefreak: right. so what is about linkwidgets?14:49
Jazzvaok, time to check extensions...14:49
asacmaybe resurrect?14:49
gnomefreakthats not gonna happen on my side14:50
gnomefreakthe source has a bunch of sources for all differnt extensions14:50
asacok. thought you were interested as you commented on the bug14:50
asachmm14:50
asacso linkwidget has native components?14:50
gnomefreaki was going to but i looked at the source and sid screw it too much work for something like an extensions14:51
asacotherwise coulnd we just package it from .xpi instead of tree?14:51
gnomefreaki guess i havent looked at xpi yet14:51
asacgnomefreak: if there is no native component in the .xpi14:51
asacwe can just use the med-xpi- tools14:51
asacif there is a license missing in the xpi we can ask the author to also ship the license in it14:51
asacand ask him for permission to add it to the pseudo-xpi-source until that happens14:52
Jazzvaasac, how about filing two bugs? One for "Packages depend on firefox-2, and don't have a version which is compat with firefox 3. Remove them" and the second one for "Update packages"14:52
asacJazzva: oh ... i cannot say how thankful i am that you took the initiative and brought up minutes14:53
Jazzvaasac, I'm ashamed I didn't do it few days ago, as I said14:53
asacJazzva: which package would be in the "update packages"14:53
asacJazzva: err, actually the minutes were my task afair :(14:53
Jazzvaasac, still not sure. Haven't checked them yet14:53
Jazzvaasac, I think it was mine... but never mind :)14:54
asacok ;)14:54
asacnow they are done14:54
Jazzvaasac, I would open a bug report for "Update them" if there are those that can be updated14:54
gnomefreakhttp://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/mozdev.org/clav/linkwidget/  2006.14:54
Jazzvaand that would only be for those extensions that depend only on ff-2, but there is an update that is compat with ff-314:54
gnomefreakand still has nothing to do with bookmarks14:55
gnomefreakit being 2 years old its likely no longer maintained (atleast google hasnt found anything newer that 07/200614:56
gnomefreaki hav others to work on but this isnt just for ubuntu its also for debian (bookmark extension)14:57
gnomefreaknot sure how debian handles non free extensions but when he replys ill ask him about it14:58
gnomefreakseems that Vimperator is shipping license.txt in the CVS  asac that is atleast said on the bug you filed on it15:01
gnomefreakgmail notifier still no license afaict15:02
Jazzvawoohoo... I passed the last hardest (or most boring) exam... telecommunications :)15:04
Jazzvajust saw that15:04
Volanscongratulations Jazzva!!! :)15:05
Jazzvathanks Volans :)15:05
asacurgh15:06
asachaving javascript turned off while previewing a blog entry isnt good :(15:06
asacit saved multiple items for each preview15:07
VolansLOL15:07
asacyeah ... and as it is, this time planet ubuntu was immediately publishing it15:07
Volansbetter than administrate an SMF forum with JS disabled asac ;)15:07
asacnot like 30 minutes later15:07
asachehe15:07
asacanyway ... disregard what is currently on planet15:08
asacthe real content (which of course missed this planet publisher run) is: http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/152-ubuntu-mozillateam-minutes-14th-sep-08-....html15:08
ftahttp://teddziuba.com/2008/09/a-web-os-are-you-dense.html  :)15:08
gnomefreakok im gone for the day i think15:10
asacgnomefreak: enjoy15:10
gnomefreakthanks ill try to15:10
asacfta: so how about an upload batch ;)15:18
asacfta: next week there will be sec release. is there a seamonkey 1.1.12 tag already?15:18
ftaSEAMONKEY_1_1_12_RELEASE15:19
ftabut not sure it's really out yet15:19
ftaasac, ok for the upload batch but not before 6pm today, i have somewhere to go to 1st.15:20
asacfta: ok cool. lets say at 7?15:24
asaci added bug 27277215:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 272772 in firefox-3.0 "packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package) must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27277215:24
asacand made it release critical15:24
asaci also included the current result of apt-cache rdepends firefox15:24
asacwe should go through that list and add bug tasks for each package that needs to be updated15:24
asachowever, i think there is no other way to verify that than doing an apt-get source ... and looking at the control15:25
asacanyone wants to help? :)15:25
asacVolans: you asked if you could help on the transition right? ;)15:25
Volansasac: translation of what?15:26
* Volans try to remember15:26
asacVolans: transition ;)15:26
asacVolans: bug 27277215:26
Volansah yes! :)15:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 272772 in firefox-3.0 "packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package) must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27277215:26
Volanssure15:26
asacVolans: read https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/272772/comments/115:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 272772 in firefox-3.0 "packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package) must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser" [High,Confirmed]15:26
Volans(I have sent you a mail tonight with a summary of med-scripts)15:26
asacmost work should be to look and identify packages out of that list that really need to be updated15:26
asacVolans: oh.15:27
asacVolans: did you committ them too?15:27
asac(i try to not read email on sunday - i dont want to read bad news ;))15:27
Volanslol15:27
Volansno don't have committed waiting your feedback15:27
Volansdue to some problems...15:28
Volansis a very long email, sorry :)15:28
asacurgh15:32
asacok let me try to find it without looking at anything else15:33
Volansthere is a list of newer version for 10 of 16 branches tested15:34
Volansfor 6 the script fails for 2 different reason (no actual version in existing branch OR no actual version on AMO folder)15:35
Volansthis is a very shor summary :)15:35
Volansasac: in the meantime, I can do some automatic change to the packages for the transition of abrowser? (excluding extensions ATM)15:36
Volansasac: the list in the bug you have reported was made on intrepid right?15:40
asacVolans: ok15:49
asacVolans: those that have no proper version in install.rdf are not xpi packaged15:49
asacso they can be ignored for now .... i think15:49
asacat least for the moment15:49
Volansok15:49
asacVolans: also ... i think we should use explicit tags15:50
asacso you can better identify which version is actually packaged15:50
Volansin the branch name?15:50
asacVolans: no ... i think that we should use bzr tag15:51
asaclike MED_XPI_AMO_0.7a15:51
asacor something15:51
asacVolans: but we only have to look at .upstream for this round15:51
Volanssome extensions have only .ubuntu15:52
Volansand not .upstream15:52
asacVolans: yes. those need to be resurrected15:52
asacVolans: either rev 1 is .upstream15:52
asacor the last revision you see in the bzr log that was merged15:52
asacyou can then do bzr branch -r 7.1.4 extension.ubutun extension.upstream15:53
asacand get a perfect upstream branch15:53
Volansok so I have to change this in the scripts, actually I have used the .ubuntu because there are more than .upstream15:53
asac(7.1.4 being the revision that you see in bzr log as being merged)15:53
Volansyes15:53
asacVolans: no. i think those that dont have .upstream need to be fixed manually once15:53
Volansok15:53
asacVolans: no need to put that much work in to fixing it smartly in script15:53
asacits not easy to find which was the last "upstream" merge programatically15:53
Volansno no manually15:54
asacas there could also be merged from packaging branches15:54
asacyeah15:54
Volansinstead, for the abrowser transition the right way is download source package, change debian control and changelog and re-package?15:54
asacVolans: thats a one time action. later people should request an "upstream" branch before starting to do the packaging15:54
asacVolans: yeah. well. you can do that ... or just look in debian/control ... if it has firefox in depends/recommends/sugests, just add a bug target15:55
asacerr15:55
asactask15:55
asacso fta and me can go over the bug tasks and upload all packages15:55
asacdebdiff might be ok, but doesnt really take work from us15:55
asacbut getting a reduced list of packages that are affected would help a lot15:55
asacbecause then we could just go package by package and upload15:55
Volansactually I'm downloading all the source packages15:56
asacVolans: right15:56
asacbut since you cannot upload it doesnt take much work from us if you append a debdiff15:56
asacwe have to download all those that you find need to be changed too15:56
asacand adding the depend and recommends just takes a second or two ;)15:56
asacD) if ubuntu version was uploaded to AMO before then 25/03/2007 (AMO15:56
asacpublic folder have 25/03/2007 00:00 as datetime for all older addons)15:56
asacVolans: ^^15:57
asacwhat problem does that cause?15:57
asacwe sync all anyway, right?15:57
Volansall the version older than 25/03/2007 00:00 have the same date and time on AMO, as I use ls -t this do not list the extensions in proper way15:57
Volansthis happen only if the actual Ubuntu packaged version15:58
asacVolans: is that for "get-import-queie"?15:58
asacVolans: mirror just runs wget right?15:58
asac(and shouldnt care for the sake of proper synching)15:58
Volansyes, is only for get-newer15:58
asacVolans: we should sort that by install.rdf version15:58
asacand not by date/timestamp15:58
asacthought you did that :)15:59
asacmight be a bit more tricky ... maybe sh is too bad for that. feel free to use whatever script language helps you ... or even C code ;)15:59
Volansactually I have made a little simpler version, but can be done in a simple way15:59
Volansactually I list with ls- l and check the install.rdf15:59
Volansand stop when found the actual ubuntu version16:00
Volansin this way I don't made version comparison16:00
Volansthat can be tricky16:00
Volansasac: damn mozilla-openoffice.org source package is 820MB :)16:02
asacVolans: skip that ... if thats too much for you16:03
asacfta loves to download huge chunks through his gigabit pipe ;)16:03
Volansthat pacakge already downloaded... I was wondering why it does not have already finished and made a du -csh :D16:04
asacah ok16:04
asacVolans: yeah. so just add the package to the bug when they have firefox mentioned directly16:05
asaci will be off for 30 minutes or so16:05
Volansme too, but for a couple of hour or so16:05
Volansso you prefer to add the task instead of made a debdiff asac?16:05
asacVolans: task is a must ... debdiff is ok, but not requred16:08
Volansok so task :) you know if I can do that automatically with the new LP API?16:09
asacVolans: most likely you can ;)16:15
asacbut most likely it will take more time ;)16:15
VolansLOL16:15
asacVolans: you have to click "also affects distribution"16:15
asacand use Ubuntu -> packagename16:15
asacthen set it to triaged or confirmed - in case you dont have triaged powers yet16:16
Volansyes I know thanks, download finished16:16
ftaback, sooner than expected.16:33
ftaasac, ready when you are16:33
asacfta: volans is still doing some preps ;)16:37
asacnot sure if want to start right away :)16:37
VolansI have the list ready16:37
ftawhat for ?16:37
Volansattacching to the bug16:37
asacVolans: did you open tasks?16:37
asacah cool16:37
asacfta: figuring which rdepends actually require modification16:37
asacfta: so we can go through a reduced list ... and not the one you get by apt-cache rdepends16:38
asacfta: he is opening tasks in the bug right now16:38
Volansasac: fta https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/272772/comments/216:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 272772 in firefox-3.0 "packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package) must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser" [High,Confirmed]16:38
asacfta: once thats done we can easily coordinate who looks into what by assigning each task ;)16:38
asacVolans: good. except that that list is cluttered a bit by firefox-3.016:39
asacand firefox-2 ;)16:39
ftaasac, i guess i can start with the ones in universe and you by main16:39
VolansI'm going out now but hope to find some time later today.16:39
Volansasac: what is the problem?16:39
asacfta: right. but i would love to have a list first.16:39
VolansI can regenerate it in a couple of seconds ;)16:39
asacVolans: well. that list also includes packages with firefox-3.016:39
asacVolans: if firefox-3.0 is there then we dont need to touch it16:39
Volansak ok sorry, let me made some changes to the script and regenerate the list16:40
asacVolans: i mean... if there is "firefox" we always want to touch it16:40
asacbut if there is only firefox-3.0 we dont need to16:40
Volansok16:40
asacfta: ok. so changelog entry could read:16:41
asacabrowser addition upload by mozillateam16:41
asac* fix LP: #272772: packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package) must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser16:41
asac  - update debian/control16:42
asacfta: usually we should respect teh changelog format ... at least if we can see a line ;)16:42
Volansah asac for gnome-do-plugins there isn't a source package16:43
VolansI got an apt error16:43
asacVolans: ok. we should note those and think later what to do about them16:43
asacfta: ok. Volans appears to not have the time to add the bug targets. so probably we should add the package before upload (to properly track something)16:44
asacfta: ok. then lets start with those that are not extensions16:44
asaci will add the packages to the bug and assign to me which i am working on ... so we dont conflict16:45
asac;)16:45
Volansasac: lines with only firefox-2?16:45
ftagive me 5 min, i'm writing a small helper script to take care of dl and changelog, i keep control manual as it could be tricky16:45
asacVolans: not needed for this16:45
Volansok16:45
asacVolans: so basically all those locales should not be in there ;)16:45
Volansyes I'm doing it16:46
asacVolans: can you also dump the section there to?16:46
asaclike "main" or universe?16:46
asac(next or under the package name)?16:46
asacif you have no time then its fine16:46
Volanssure, Is a matter of seconds :D16:46
asacfta: you probably should abort the apt-get source download when there is Vcs-Bzr header16:47
Volansasac what is the wuickest way do get the main or universe?16:47
asacprobably needs to take look16:47
ftathere are some, but if it's debian, we should do it anyway right ?16:47
ftaNOTICE: 'screenlets' packaging is maintained in the 'Svn' version control system at:16:48
ftasvn://svn.debian.org/python-apps/packages/screenlets/trunk16:48
asacVolans: the binary packages have pool/{universe,main}/ ... in their filename ... maybe that?16:48
asacVolans: i assume you are looking at the Packages?16:48
asacVolans: arent there two packges? one for main and one for universe?16:48
asacVolans: if you use apt-cache then the .deb file path is probably the way to go16:49
VolansI have do an apt-get source for the list16:49
asacfta: yeah. that is probably a debian package ... we should forward the patch to debbugs16:49
asacand tag it somehow :/16:49
Volansthe new log is only 140 lines16:49
asacfta: but if its not an ubuntu bzr, we can just upload16:49
asacfta: if it doesnt have a ubuntu package version we have to ubuntunize maintainer fields too ;)16:50
asaclike: sed -e 's/Maintainer: /XSBC-Original-Maintainer: /16:50
ftabased on what ? motu ? mt ?16:50
asacfta: motu16:50
asacif its univerese16:50
ftaok16:50
asaccore dev if its main16:50
Volansasac: new list attached to the bug16:50
Volanssorry, now I really have to go :)16:51
asacbut i will do main anyway16:51
asacVolans: thanks16:51
VolansI don't have done the manin-univertse thing...16:51
asacVolans: much better ;)16:51
asacVolans: yeah. should be really just a few (if any) main packages16:51
asacso fine16:51
asacubufox16:51
asacwill do that in bzr now16:51
asacthe upload has to wait for the EULA resolution though16:52
asacfta: ok. i assigned ubufox to me in the bug16:53
asacfta: may i go ahead and add packages and assign a few to you?16:53
asac(basically going down the list16:53
ftasure16:53
asacok will do16:53
Volansthe only error is gnome-do-plugins on apt-get source... good job, see you later :)16:53
asaci somehow like transition bugs ;)16:54
asacthats something launchpad is actually prepared to do properly ;)16:55
asacat least compared to the "search bugs for strings"-use-case16:55
asacwhich is completely non existing for me :(16:55
asacJazzva: could you look if amsn is a proper done extension?16:56
asacJazzva: from the depends list that i just saw it looks like it was just synched from debian16:56
asacand firefox as depends properly predates iceweasel and most likely means its not properly installed16:56
asac(at least i havent heard of it ... which of course means it might have slipped through) ;)16:56
asacfta: hmm. most really are extensions which need to be fixed in bzr :/16:59
asacbut they are in ubuntu-dev so you should be able to commit there too16:59
ftadch is not script friendly17:07
asacfta: yeah... thats what i said once ;)17:07
asacwhen i did auto build script for gnash17:07
asacyour reply was: "cat is better anyway ;))"17:08
asacok this bugs finally becomes slow ;)17:09
ftai'm nearly done17:11
ftai mean, with my script17:12
asacfta: ok i decided to assign the openoffice.org upload to our openoffice maintainer17:12
asacso we dont have to bother with that beast17:12
ftayep, good news :)17:12
asacmilestoning so RMs nag him in case he doesnt care or doesnt notice17:12
asacfta: ok. wait a few more minutes for me to finish this17:13
asacits a bit lenghty ;)17:13
ftai don't touch native packages, and packages maintained in bzr/lp17:17
asacfta: huh?17:17
ftai mean, my script17:17
asacfta: you wont touch extensions?17:18
asacah17:18
asacfta: ok.17:18
asaci only can hope that this clicking-orige gives decent karma at least :(17:21
ftahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/48963/17:22
ftahm, i need to show diff17:22
ftahm, would be nice to do a temporary bzr branch :)17:23
asachehe17:24
asacwhy not ;)17:24
asacactually james_w already has a mirror somewhere of all packages17:24
asacbut he isnt here today17:24
asacok i think bug 272772 is properly triaged17:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 272772 in zekr "packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package) must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27277217:24
asacwe probably should rerun volans script once we are done17:25
asacbut i have the feeling that all the bzr branches need also to be "auto" updated17:25
asacat least the changelog17:25
asacwhat a massive bug ;)17:25
ftahm, i need to be smarter with the maintainer field17:27
ftamain vs universe17:27
asacfta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/48967/17:28
asacfta: well. there should really be just one or two packages in main17:28
asacopenoffice is already dealt with17:28
asacand ubufox is on my list17:28
asacfta: oh ... when you commit to bzr either use debcommit or pass --fixes lp:272772 to bzr commit17:29
asacfta: in that way the branch will be auto connected to the bug on launchpad17:29
asacwhich is _cool_ (TM)17:30
ftahmm? i meant a tempo branch just for us, not something to push to lp17:30
asacfta: yeah. i talked about those that are on a branch -> extensions17:30
ftaoh17:31
asacwe need to do them in branch and upload then17:31
asacjust wanted to point out that debcommit automagically passes --fixes lp:xxxx to bzr commit17:31
ftalet me finish that 1st ;)17:31
asacand if you use that it will automatically show up the branch in bug once you pushed it17:31
ftado we have pkgs both in main and universe ?17:36
asacfta: extensions?17:38
asacfta: ah17:38
asacyou mean split!17:38
asacnot that i know of, but there is a bunch of packages in that list i havent seen before :)17:38
asacso cant tell _17:38
ftaasac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/48974/17:48
ftaoops17:49
asacfta: yeah. can you use: $NAME and $DEBEMAIL so i can use it too?17:50
ftait's dch17:50
Jazzvaasac, amsn is not an extension. It should be a MSN messenger...17:50
asacfta: ah cool17:50
asacJazzva: oh17:50
Jazzva(sorry, i had some friends over, and I was a bit away017:50
Jazzva)17:50
asacJazzva: all fine. so is that something that uses the gecko engine?17:51
ftahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/48980/17:51
Jazzvaasac, it shouldn't use. It's written in tcl/tk. Perhaps it's just using firefox as default browser when opening links.17:51
RainCTasac: uhm.. wouldn't a "Provides: firefox" in abrowser be enough instead of bug #272772?17:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 272772 in zekr "packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package) must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27277217:52
asacfta: ok. ubufox fix committed17:53
Nafalloubufix? :-)17:54
Jazzvaasac, what about what RainCT suggested?17:54
asaci dont think that provides works well for non-virtual packages17:55
asacso when you have abrowser installed and you install ubufox, firefox would still be pulled in and the provides: is probably not strong enough to keep abrowser installed17:56
asacthats my guess. maybe i am wrong ;)17:56
NafalloKVM and try it out :-)17:57
asacNafallo: i dont need kvm ;)17:57
asaci need to rebuild firefox package ;)17:57
NafalloI'm not going to write what I just thought ;-)17:57
asachehe17:58
asacwell. it takes 2 minutes nowaday17:58
ftaasac, ok, i think i'm good with this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/48985/17:58
asacfta: hmm.17:59
asacok17:59
asacah you show the diff automatically17:59
asacthats good17:59
ftathat's why i used bzr :)17:59
ftayou could also test build and create the src package with your usual aliases18:00
asacfta: ok. lets use it then18:01
asacfta: i am trying the provides: option right now18:01
asacbut i doubt its good enough18:02
ftahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/48989/18:03
ftahttp://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/add-abrower.sh.txt18:04
asacok wait one more minute18:05
ftaoops, bad, don't use that scrupt18:06
asacyeah i am not yet finished anyway ;)18:07
ftafixed, re-dl if you already took it18:07
asacok. the provides behaviour is better then expected. but i am bit scared18:17
ftaas you want, it's a 1 line change in my script18:18
RainCTperhaps someone in #ubuntu-devel can confirm if there may be problems with it or not18:20
asacJazzva: RainCT: here is the downside of having a Provides: of something that is not virtual: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/screenshots/ptitude_abrowser_provides.png18:21
asacerr18:21
asacJazzva: RainCT: here is the downside of having a Provides: of something that is not virtual: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/screenshots/aptitude_abrowser_provides.png18:21
asacRainCT: i am pretty sure that there are even other problems18:21
asacthe other option would be to introduce a real virtual package like:18:22
asac100%-firefox-compatible18:22
asac;)18:22
RainCT(that package has a typo in "seamonkey", btw)18:22
RainCTheh18:22
asacgood catch18:22
gnomefreakis .xfs a normal MS excell extension?18:23
asaci havent seen that extension18:23
asacfta: ok ... maybe add the bzr checkout then ;)18:23
gnomefreakOO.o gives a bunch of excel extensions :(18:23
asacfta: lets get started then. i think for this transition we only need on commit that is also the RELEASE commit18:24
ftahold on, i'm improving the regexp18:24
ftabzr checkout ?18:25
ftaasac, ^^18:25
asacfta: well. i think thats easiest18:26
RainCTby the way, why did you add abrowser instead of iceweasel?18:26
ftawhere ?18:26
asacRainCT: various reasons18:26
asacRainCT: one is that abrowser is better ;)18:27
asacRainCT: further, we cannot sync ... and debian probably would hate if we shipped our firefox as iceweasel18:27
asacinstead of syncing18:27
asacor merging18:27
asacRainCT: what we can do though at some point is to provide and iceweasel-branding package18:28
asaci dont see a reason why not18:28
asacbut that could also be done _outside_ the firefox-3.0 sources, but anyone who wants to do that18:28
ftabut that would mean another transition18:28
ftaasac, plz re-grab http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/add-abrower.sh.txt  it is 0.0318:29
asacRainCT: but there are more reasons. one quite important is that we have a neutral branding18:29
asacand our goal is to improve the packaging in such a way that downstreams can easily use their own branding18:30
ftamore importantly, we still provide firefox to those who don't care about all this :)18:30
RainCTasac: Oh. That last point is interesting, although I don't see how it would be useful :P18:31
ftaasac, should I start now ? or do you want "Provides" ?18:33
asacRainCT: why?18:36
asacfta: yeah. let me do the start ;)18:38
asacfta: i just commented on the bug18:38
ftaasac, make sure you have my 0.0318:39
asacfta: ok that doesnt have auto branching and trying the same logic there yete, right?18:40
asacfta: you dont need the full package before knowning that its maintaine din bzr18:41
ftano, but i could do it too, it's not that difficult.18:41
RainCTasac: well.. what's the point of having 50 different brandings for Firefox?18:41
asacit should be visible in apt-cache18:41
asacRainCT: the point is that firefox is the main brand ... everything else is just to get out of some restrictions18:42
asacand there will be no such thing like a "strong" brand name18:42
ftaasac, let's postpone for 1h then, i can improve the script a bit more after dinner18:42
asacthink about it like mozilla being the big emporer and then there are plenty of people that dont like mozilla, but have different goals/attitudes18:42
asacso they cannot join forces18:43
asacalso joining forces requires negotiation ... and thats difficult among rebells18:43
asacand coordination and all that kind of stuff18:44
asacRainCT: i worked with debian mozilla team for a long time ... and whatever i tried to do, they had different opinions.18:44
asaci wont really try to change that anymore in future18:44
asacthe other option might have been icecat18:44
sebnerasac: yeah, sometimes Debian folks are really strange18:44
asacbut thats not really a strong project too18:44
asacsebner: i am a debian developer ... so there hopefully are reasonable ones18:45
asaconly problem is that in the mozilla area the appear to be extreme out-of-band ;)18:45
sebnerasac: for sure ^^18:45
RainCTasac: That still doesn't explain why you would want more than one unbranded Fx in Ubuntu (I'm not saying that it's a bad idea to make it easy to have different brands, just wondering if there's a reason for that)18:46
ftaasac, ok to postpone a little bit to let me improve this script ?18:47
asacRainCT: read what i wrote18:47
asacRainCT: i dont want any unbranded ffox in ubuntu ... i just want to provide _downstreams_ with something that they can easily use18:47
ftaasac, i means less manual work so imho it's worth it18:47
ftait18:47
asacfor whatever branding they chose18:47
asacfta: sure18:47
asacfta: you can check for bzr upfront ... then branch bzr and maybe get the orig in tarballs/ directory (otherwise bzr should do that automagically anyway)18:48
asacfta: but the patching should be the same i guess18:48
ftaam i allowed to push to lp/~ubuntu-dev now ?18:48
asacfta: yes18:49
asacfta: thats your realm ;)18:49
ftahm, great :)18:49
ftai thought it was only core-devs18:49
asacfta: no ... thats ~ubuntu-core-dev18:50
ftaoh18:50
asacfta: i think ubuntu-dev was created to avoid name confusion18:50
asacfta: and also to later allow other teams than MOTU to upload to universe18:50
asace.g. MOTU is a membmer of ubuntu-dev18:50
asaccore-dev is a direct member of ubuntu-dev too18:50
asacmozillateam could at some point also become a member of ubuntu-dev18:51
asac(hopefully)18:51
asacso people wont need to become a motu, but joining mozillateam would make them eligible for uploading18:51
asacnot sure if there would be any standard requirements our team policy has to fulfill18:51
ftastrange, apt-cache doesn't report Vcs-Browse18:51
asacfta: hmm18:52
asacfta: you could also download Packages:18:52
ftaVcs-Bzr is ok though18:52
asacPackages18:52
asacor Sources18:52
asacfta: yeah18:52
asacfta: ok ... thopugh tit doesnt display anything18:52
asacif its Bzr-Bzr then its fine18:52
asacit think -Browser is a not official fork18:52
asacRainCT: once the EULA thing is over we will draft an abrowser FAQ18:52
asacthat should explain a bit whats the idea and why thats the way that was taken18:53
RainCTasac: OK, thanks :). About your last comment on the bug, will you suggest Debian to use such a firefox-compatible-browser package?18:54
asacRainCT: why not?18:56
asacRainCT: i hope they do18:56
asacRainCT: of course: would be hard ;)18:56
asacbut would be a thing worth discussing imo18:56
ftaasac, hmm, what if the branch is UNRELEASED ??18:56
asacfta: which branch?18:56
asacfta: in general i would say that we should just add the new changelog, fix it and push18:56
asacand maybe get a log so we can look why that isnt release18:57
asacand maybe release it18:57
asacfta: which bgranch in ~ubuntu-dev is UNREALEASED?18:57
asacfta: actually only release bits should go there18:57
asacso that would indicate something went wrong ;)18:57
RainCTindeed (although I guess people would still want extensions to be merged to s/Iceweasel/Firefox/ the description :()18:57
asacRainCT: i think we could find a term both can use:18:58
asacxyz extension for firefox compatible browsers (iceweasel, abrowser, icecat, firefox ...)18:58
ftaasac, no, i was just doing the corner cases, i will abort if i find one18:58
asacRainCT: and since we have a bunch of extensions we could contribute to debian18:58
asacquite easily, its in our hand to set a "standard"18:59
asac;)18:59
asacwhen 70% of the extensions use some practice, it will probably help to convince others to folloow for the sake of unification18:59
RainCTYep. Is the extensions .mk thing already in Debian?18:59
asacRainCT: unfortunately not yet.18:59
asacprobably my fault. but debian is frozen anyway. and i dont want to beg in debian-release ;)19:00
asacso lenny+119:00
asacwe should tackle that19:00
RainCTasac: something more: your "this is free software.." message bar is cool (well, as cool as a licensing thingie can be) :)19:03
asacfta: Jazzva: oh. glandium answered in my blog about mozilla-devscripts19:03
asacin response to meeting entry19:03
ftaurl?19:04
asacposted above19:04
asac /lastlog asoftsite19:04
asachttp://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/152-ubuntu-mozillateam-minutes-14th-sep-08-....html19:04
Jazzvahmm... why?19:05
asacwhy what?19:05
Jazzvawhy wouldn't they accept the package?19:05
Jazzva(though, I'm not sure what's everything that is in mozilla-devscripts)19:05
asaci doubt he has any say on what gets accepted :)19:05
asacworst case is that they wont adopt it ;)19:05
Jazzvathat means extensions diverging forever :)19:06
asacJazzva: well. plan is to use that, upload extensions that are not in debian19:06
asacand then convince extension maintainers to use xpi.mk or whatever19:06
Jazzvayeah, it sure is easier :)19:06
asacJazzva: glandium doesnt maintain many extensions19:07
asacmaybe one19:07
Jazzvawell, I don't see why they wouldn't accept xpi.mk. That also means more packaged extensions for them19:07
Jazzvajust to change one variable (MOX_XPI_INSTALL_DIRS)19:07
Jazzva(or whatever it's named)19:07
asacJazzva: most likely his "some" referred to xpi.mk19:09
Jazzvaright :)19:09
asacJazzva: lp-export-locales.mk is certainly not much useful for debian19:09
asacmozclient could be quite useful imo. at least to unify how to get latest ice* sources19:10
asacbut we cannot force the maintainers to adopt that19:10
asaconly packages i can change is icedove and iceowl19:10
asacand maybe iceape, but thats questionable.19:10
asaceven though we are formally a maintenance team, glandium did most of the work and thus I dont feel entitled to do that without him agreeing19:11
ftaasac, maybe it's mozclient, it's the biggest part of m-d in terms of files and code19:15
ftaasac, what commit code should i use for the branches ?19:16
ftai mean, commit message19:16
ftai see no common format19:16
ftaBug 27226319:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 272263 in icedove-dispmua "icedove-dispmua: Package has a Depends on icedove (<= 2.0.0.99) which cannot be satisfied in Intrepid" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27226319:16
asacfta: those in bzr are mostly extensions i guess19:17
asacfta: so our "standard" format should apply19:17
ftajust * RELEASE 1.2.3 to intrepid ?19:17
ftaor that + the changelog entry19:18
asacfta: RELEASE 1.x.x to ubuntu/intrepid19:19
asacand then19:19
asac* fix LP:#yyxxx - this was done to fix it19:19
asacactually RELEASE 1.x.x-yubuntuZ19:20
ftaasac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/49024/19:26
asacfta: looks decent ;)19:26
ftatesting a few other cases before calling it good19:27
fta...19:27
asackk19:29
ftaoh, you took also some in universe19:30
asacsigh19:30
asacour ppp appears to be outdated19:31
fta**** Package version is 7.14.4-1build1 in universe19:31
fta**** It's a debian package19:31
fta**** New version will be 7.14.4-1build1ubuntu019:31
ftahm19:31
asacas upstream hasnt baked a release for ages19:31
asacwhy do i have to go though git now to find a patch :(19:31
asacfta: as i said: there are no in main ;)19:31
asaci think i am already done by committing ubufox :)19:31
ftalol19:31
fta7.14.4-1build1ubuntu0 seems strange but correct19:31
asacfta: so that was a not modified debian package before?19:32
ftanip219:32
asac?19:32
* gnomefreak really hates people today :(19:33
ftaasac, it's nip2 (just picking random pkg in the list to test the script)19:33
asacgnomefreak: hate never helps and seldomly yields good results for any party;)19:33
asacfta: ah ;)19:34
asacyeah19:34
asacnip2 is probably not in bzr19:34
asacfta: look at the Maintinaer: field19:34
asaccan you please check whether MOTU is maintaining that in debian or if the version is a bug?19:34
asacif its really a merged package then the package version is incorrect from what i can tell19:35
asace.g. we should fix it and use plain 0ubuntu119:35
fta-Maintainer: Jay Berkenbilt <qjb@debian.org>19:35
fta+Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu.ubuntu.com>19:35
fta+XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Jay Berkenbilt <qjb@debian.org>19:35
asacah19:35
asacok19:35
asacfta: err19:35
asaci have MOTU in my apt-cache19:36
ftawhat ?19:36
asacso it cant be just now19:36
asacanyway19:36
asacif the package currently in archive is a merge then the version should have ubuntuX19:36
asaclet me look at debian19:36
* fta updating chroot to be sure...19:36
asacyeah ...d ebian doesnt use buildX19:36
asacits just 7.14.5-119:37
asacin lenny19:37
asacand sid19:37
asacmaybe ask the guy who did the merge ;)19:37
asacnot 100% sure if buildX is working (e.g. prevents auto synchs)19:37
asacbut most likely its wrong19:37
asachavent seen it being used before at least19:37
gnomefreakis license spelled right?19:37
* gnomefreak gets ready to curse at upstream morons19:38
gnomefreakthey use 2 websites and packages and no where does it mention a license19:38
gnomefreakbrb smoke19:38
ftaasac, the script is not committing or pushing by itself, so let's keep that for the manual check19:40
ftaflashplugin-nonfree is not in the list ?19:41
ftaasac, what is the right dput target ? ubuntu ?19:45
asacfta: yes19:47
asacfta: try one and see what happens :)19:47
asacfta: most likely flashplugin-nonfree depends on xulrunner-1.919:47
ftait was in comment #219:48
asacfta: i think one good session topic for UDS would be "cleaning up the mozilla mess - fixing depends, alternatives and such ..."19:48
fta:)19:49
asaci think ppp is so outdated that i wont be able to cherry pick the fixes we need19:52
ftahm, seems it's not working for branches19:52
asachmm19:52
asacintroducing 2 years of more or less active upstream development doesnt feel good that late in the cycle too19:53
asacfta: what isnt working for branches?19:53
ftahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/49038/19:53
asacfta: thats a bug in builddeb19:54
asacfta: it downloads the tarball to the wrong dir19:54
asacfta: manually copy it from .. to ../tarballs19:54
asacto fix that19:54
asacs/copy/move/19:54
ftagrrr19:54
asacjames_w is aware of that19:54
asacbut shouldnt be really hard i would say19:54
ftaexcept that it in the middle of bd19:55
asaclet me see if i can spot that easily19:55
ftai need to fetch the tarball myself19:55
asachmm the code looks sane19:56
gnomefreakthere frigging finished with them today19:56
asacfta: well. better fix bzr builddeb ;)19:56
asacfta: or let it fail once, and try again if you find a downloaded tarball in wrong directory ;)19:57
gnomefreakok 3 done and 1 on hold19:57
gnomefreakwe are running out of extensions btw19:57
gnomefreakjust have to get what we have done in archives if too late for intrpeid i guess intrepid+119:58
ftagood, fixed20:00
ftaasac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/add-abrower.sh.txt  0.0420:02
asacfta: maybe expliceitly spoecifiying --tarball-dir= ... helps?20:02
ftatoo late :)20:03
asacfta: so did you do an upload?20:03
ftanope, not yet20:03
ftabut i'm ready now20:03
asacfta: i would suggest to try one package ;)20:04
ftai'm starting with xfig20:04
asachmm what was the bug?20:04
fta-Suggests: xfig, firefox|www-browser, xpdf-reader|pdf-viewer20:04
fta+Suggests: xfig, firefox | abrowser|www-browser, xpdf-reader|pdf-viewer20:04
asaci somehoe lost it :(20:05
ftahttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/27277220:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 272772 in ubufox "packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package) must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser" [High,Fix committed]20:05
asacfta: i think editing the whitespaces would be nice ;)20:05
ftai did20:05
asacunifying :) i mean :)20:05
asachuh?20:05
asacok20:06
ftapushed20:07
asac\o/20:07
asaclets see ;)20:07
asacfta: looks good20:08
asaci mean the latest script20:08
asaci tried with all-in-one-sidebar20:08
asacfta: hmm. i think a "checkout" would make sense20:08
gnomefreakanyone know who Yaroslav Halchenko is?20:09
asacnow that i see it ;)20:09
asacbut i can change that i guess20:09
asacfta: hmm ... you do bzr commit in some cases20:09
asacwhen is that?20:09
asacah ok when its not a branch ;)20:09
ftathe initial commit of my fake branch20:10
asacfta: the output how to commit doesnt have the line feeds20:10
asacbzr commit -m "* RELEASE 0.7.4-0ubuntu2 to ubuntu/intrepid\n* fix LP: #272772: packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package)\n  must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser\n  - update debian/control"20:10
asaci think we dont need to escape them?20:10
ftait does if you copy paste this line20:10
ftathat's idea20:11
ftadid you try it ?20:11
asacfta: you can alos just copy and paste multi line, cant you?20:11
ftasubject: [ubuntu/intrepid] xfig 1:3.2.5-rel-2ubuntu2 (Accepted)20:11
asacworks for me20:11
ftai'm using tcsh20:12
asacfta: works good here20:12
asachmm20:12
ftabut i write my scrits in pure sh20:12
gnomefreakthats why we use bash ;) it just works20:12
ftascripts20:12
ftabash is evil20:13
gnomefreakits a smart version of tcsh20:13
Nafallohuh?20:13
fta\o/ https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds20:13
Nafallowe've moved to dash? :-)20:13
ftabash != tcsh20:13
gnomefreakafaik pre vim its not a smart term20:14
gnomefreaks/pre/per20:14
asacfta: ok. lets use checkout and remove the bzr push instruction20:14
asacthat should be fine i guess20:14
ftatcsh is an advanced version of csh, bash is an evil ksh itself an advanced version of sh20:14
gnomefreakits been a while since i read up on vi and frieds20:14
asacfta: oh shit20:15
asacfta: we need to replace http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ and code.launchpad.net with lp:20:15
ftagnomefreak, tcsh is my main shell since ~94, habits are difficult to break20:15
ftaasac, where?20:15
asacfta: in order to use checkout ;)20:16
asacbut i am using what you suggest now20:16
gnomefreakah see i only used it for a month or 2 and could never get used to it20:16
asacthis isnt really worth investing much time i think ;)20:16
ftabut maybe i should use bzr+ssh too20:16
asacfta: actually: the instructions should read:20:17
asacdebcommit20:17
asacbzr push20:17
asacthat will automatically do the --fixes and stuff like that20:17
asactry20:17
asac;)20:17
ftawhat plugin is that?20:17
asacfta: thats not a plugin. debcommit is in devtools i think20:17
asacand knows about debian changelogs20:17
asacjust try to run that20:18
asac--fixes is a plain bzr feature20:18
asaci think ;)20:18
gnomefreaki dont think so i think its a bzr tool20:18
gnomefreakoh nevermind20:18
asacfta: we still need to replace http... with something writable ... preferably lp:20:18
gnomefreakthat is supported20:18
asacbzr push https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/firefox-extensions/all-in-one-sidebar.ubuntu/20:18
asacwont work20:18
asaci do that manually now20:18
asacits ok20:18
ftai feel nervous about testing that with my first few uploads20:18
gnomefreakits in devscripts from what man page says20:19
asacfta: yeah ;)20:20
asacfta: testing what? debcommit?20:20
asacfta: you can use debcommit -e ... that opens editor with commit message which you can still abort20:20
asacfta: i wouldnt sugest to auto dput ;) ... you can review the outcome20:21
ftayeah20:21
asachmm20:21
asacfta: maybe we should also do a test binary rebuild20:21
asacsometimes packages never get rebuild for long time and start to rot20:22
ftai do here. i have my bzr aliases for that20:22
ftalp is slow for that bug20:23
asacfta: yeah ;)20:25
ftaasac, i've fixed the script for the instructions => 0.0520:25
asacmassive-multi-package bugs appear not to scale :)20:25
asacfta: hmm ... debcommit doesnt in clude the RELEASE line obviously20:32
asacnow i know why i added that to changelog for a few uploads ;)20:32
asacwell ;)20:32
ftaoh, and my commit is ugly too20:33
asachmm ... i got File all-in-one-sidebar_0.7.4-0ubuntu2.diff.gz already exists in Primary Archive for Ubuntu,20:33
asac+but uploaded version has different contents. See more information about this error in20:33
asac+https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors.20:33
asacdid i upload twice or what?20:33
asacor did you ?20:33
asachmm20:34
asacsomeone uploaded all-in-one-sidebar without committing to bzr or what?=20:34
ftanot me20:35
asacemgent :(20:35
asachttps://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/all-in-one-sidebar20:35
asacquite a senseless upload i guess20:37
asacfta: maybe adding a check whether the bzr version is still the ubuntu version would help :(20:41
ftamultiline commit logs are a pain for scripts20:41
asacmaybe we should run that regularly to detect "wrong" uploads20:41
asacfta: debcommit usually does that quite well20:42
asacor do you mean bzr?20:42
asacok fixed all-in-one-sidebar branch :(20:43
asacand uploaded that ... finally20:43
ftaasac, script 0.06 with the multiline commit and the test20:54
asacfta: yeah. i take a break now ;)20:55
ftamy dput is stuck20:55
asacok doing one more20:56
ftashould i interrupt ?20:56
asacfirefox-sage20:56
asacfta: dput?20:56
ftayep20:56
asacusualyl it will go on at some point20:56
asacunless you had  a reconnect20:56
ftait's stuck at Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):20:56
asacif nothing happes you can interrupt and reupload (but only in ubuntu .. .debian is more painful)20:56
asacfta: at the end off uplod?20:57
ftano, next reco is at 3am20:57
ftaGood signature on /src/tmp/abrowser-transition/work/ctxextensions/ppa/ctxextensions_4.1.2008062001-0ubuntu2.dsc.20:57
ftaUploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):20:57
fta  20:57
ftathen nada20:57
asachmm20:57
asacyeah20:57
asacwell20:57
asacnot sure ;)20:57
asachjave you edited your dput.cf manually? maybe you didnt get some upgrade?20:58
asacbut you can certainly retry20:58
ftano, the 1st 3 uploads were fine20:58
asacthen ... retry.20:58
ftaok, ctrl c + retry seems fine20:59
mdkein relation to bug 272772, I see a task has been opened on ubuntu-docs21:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 272772 in xfig "packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package) must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27277221:14
mdkeI guess that's because ubuntu-serverguide suggests firefox. It should really suggest any browser, is there an appropriate meta-package for that?21:14
RainCTmdke: www-browser?21:16
mdkeRainCT: I don't see that package in apt-cache...21:16
RainCTmdke: it's virtual21:16
mdkeis there any way I can see what it includes?21:17
RainCTmdke: Best ask asac. I only know that firefox, seamonkey-browser and midbrowser provide it21:18
mdkewell, w3m provides it too, and that's the basic browser included in ubuntu-standard, so that's enough for me :)21:19
mdkethanks RainCT21:19
RainCTnp :)21:20
ftaasac, oh, i forgot to tell you, the script expect a src package name, so for ex, gcjwebplugin will not work, it should be classpath21:20
pwnguinthis might sound crazy, but is anyone keeping a ppa of firefox 3.1 alpha/betas?21:23
ftai do21:23
ftapwnguin, https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive21:24
pwnguinyea i see it now ;)21:24
ftafresh as of today21:24
pwnguini tried a tarball and it seems to prefer the 3.0 package over the local dir21:25
fta?21:25
pwnguina nightly build of firefox21:26
ftai don't understand, what seems to prefer 3.0 ?21:27
pwnguinthe script in the tarball21:27
pwnguini just untarred the bz2 and ran the script; it seemed to abrowser version 3.0.something21:28
ftait should not use any of our packages21:29
pwnguinmaybe im not supposed to run it like that; i donno21:31
pwnguinanyways, the ppa works so I'm happy21:31
pwnguinhmm. looks like the video tag works, but just barely21:32
ftait works fine if you don't have issues with p-a & alsa21:33
pwnguini mean cpu wise21:33
pwnguinand start / end offsets21:34
ftait uses almost no cpu here, compared to flash, it's refreshing21:35
pwnguinit's using like one whole core here =(21:38
ftaurl ?21:38
pwnguinhttp://people.xiph.org/~maikmerten/demos/arctic_giant.html21:38
ftahm, indeed21:40
pwnguinwell, what the heck were you testing on?21:40
ftahttp://www.double.co.nz/video_test/21:41
pwnguinstrange21:41
pwnguinoh21:41
pwnguinloaded it in the wrong browser =/21:43
ftaasac, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17798304/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.classpath_2%3A0.96.1-1ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz21:44
pwnguinfta: honestly, im writing a blog post about the video tag, and i thought i'd cite an ogg video but it seems like playback is high CPU and the offsets arent supported =/21:52
ftapwnguin, this one is working just fine for me: http://people.opera.com/howcome/2007/video/controls.html21:55
mdkefta: just to let you know, I've unassigned you from the ubuntu-docs task on bug 272772 and uploaded a fix myself to our bzr branch, saves you getting it21:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 272772 in xfig "packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package) must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27277221:56
ftamdke, ok, thanks21:56
pwnguinfta: actually, that ran really fast for me, but it's kinda crap quality.21:59
ftamaybe try locally with an ogg of yours, see if it's not a buffering/network issue22:00
pwnguinwhat i mean is, the video itself isn't demanding enough to demonstrate inefficient playback22:02
asacfta: yeah ... missing usage of returned value22:13
asaceither hack it or fix it ;)22:13
ftaasac, ?22:13
ftathe java mess ?22:13
ftai have no idea what's going on there, i hate java, i should have reassigned that one to you, i know you like it :)22:14
ftaasac, going up in http://thc.emanuele-gentili.com/utu/utu_intrepid.php  :)22:15
ftataking a break, i have 6 left22:18
ftamediatomb didn't work, no accept, no reject, no build, no nothing22:23
asacfta: its a C problem ;)22:25
asacfta: might take a while until you get an accepted ;)22:25
ftagot the other ones within a few seconds22:29
ftamaybe the -3 => -3ubuntu0 instead of -3ubuntu1 ?22:30
ftaasac, is this a C issue? http://paste.ubuntu.com/49070/22:36
ftaJazzva, is torbutton usable with ff3 ?23:01
fta-Depends: iceweasel (>= 2.0.0.3-1) | firefox (>= 2.0.0.3-1) | icedove (>= 1.5.0.10.dfsg1-3) | thunderbird (>= 1.5.0.10.dfsg1-3)23:01
Jazzvafta, I think I tested it, and it worked...23:01
JazzvaWas it synced from debian?23:01
fta torbutton (1.0.4-3ubuntu1) intrepid; urgency=low23:02
fta 23:02
fta   * Merge from Debian unstable. (LP: #226287)23:02
ftabug 22628723:02
Jazzvayeah, that's probably it. I think it had firefox-3 before23:02
Jazzvahmm, no. that's not it. I just looked into changelog23:04
fta? i just pushed it23:04
Jazzvabug 247867... that's where I got the compatibility info23:05
Jazzvahttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/torbutton/+bug/24786723:06
JazzvaI acked the diff, but no one looked after23:06
Jazzva(the u-u-s team)23:06
ftaJazzva, hm, the depend is ok, do you mean the debdiff has been ignored but part of it arrived later? or what?23:09
Jazzvano, I think this23:09
JazzvaUnsubscribing u-u-s, pending an ack from Mozilla Extensions Team. (Big) David, resubscribe u-u-s once acked. ;)23:09
Jazzvacomment #223:09
Jazzvaand then he resubscribed u-u-s, but I think no one looked at it23:09
ftathen it's still in the list23:13
ftalet me check23:13
ftaindeed it is and still unassigned23:14
ftahttp://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/23:14
ftaasac, 0.0723:15
ftaasac, i've committed the script in the mozilla-devtools branch, maybe it could be reused for the next mass upload23:57

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