[reed] | asac: ping? | 05:52 |
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asac | [reed]: pong ... still awake? | 09:20 |
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fta | asac, i would like your help for tb3 | 12:35 |
asac | fta: what is the problem? | 12:37 |
fta | Exception: ReferenceError: gBrowser is not defined | 12:37 |
fta | <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/tb3-1.png | 12:38 |
fta | <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/tb3-2.png | 12:38 |
fta | <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/tb3-3.png | 12:38 |
fta | <fta> same from dist/bin | 12:38 |
asac | usually it means that something is missing in the chrome | 12:38 |
fta | assuming b1 is imminent, i doubt it's that bad | 12:38 |
asac | when did that start? | 12:38 |
fta | donno, my last version was a2 in cvs | 12:39 |
asac | fta: have you tried if using the "upstream" build instructions make this go away? | 12:39 |
gnomefreak | it started in the lat alpha or beta1 i dont remember thats one of the reasons i havent updated my PPA for b1 | 12:41 |
gnomefreak | s/lat/last | 12:42 |
asac | hi gnomefreak | 12:42 |
gnomefreak | hi | 12:42 |
asac | well. i am trying to build comm-central now | 12:42 |
asac | will try to stay away from computer as much as possible today ... otherwise my stamina will not last throughout the next week i frea | 12:42 |
asac | fear | 12:42 |
* gnomefreak thinking of taking a look at bookmarksftp maybe i can fix it and there than is no need to push another bookmarks extension | 12:43 | |
asac | fta: could also be a corrupted profile or something | 12:44 |
asac | have you tried a fresh profile? | 12:44 |
sebner | fta: for me it's working though :) | 12:46 |
fta | indeed, seems better with a fresh profile, mine was a copy of my 2.0 profile | 12:46 |
fta | sebner, my ppa ? | 12:47 |
asac | fta: ok | 12:47 |
sebner | fta: sure | 12:47 |
asac | fta: copy of a .mozilla-thunderbird one? | 12:47 |
fta | yes | 12:47 |
asac | or .thunderbird (like produced by upstream builds) | 12:47 |
asac | fta: check wehther there is an absolute path or something | 12:47 |
fta | no, i clone .mozilla-thunderbird => .thunderbird-3.0 at startup | 12:48 |
asac | fta: yes | 12:48 |
asac | thats what i understood | 12:48 |
asac | the reason why i didnt migrate to .thunderbird in the past | 12:48 |
sebner | asac: and so it's working for me :) | 12:48 |
asac | was because there were always regressions for some people when i tried | 12:48 |
sebner | asac: argh -> to fta | 12:48 |
asac | which usually should boil down to absolute paths that are in the profile from early tbird times | 12:49 |
asac | i couldnt spot which ... thus maybe we have the chance to spot another in your profile ;) | 12:49 |
asac | fta: so lets keep your profile for futher analysis | 12:50 |
asac | fta: when was the .mozilla-thunderbird profile created? | 12:50 |
asac | like < 1 year ... or > 4 years ? | 12:50 |
fta | i would say 2007-02-07 | 12:51 |
asac | ok. then its most likely a migration bug in thunderbird and not an absolute path | 12:52 |
asac | e.g. it would probably happen in the same way if you had used .thunderbird and would still be uing it in 3.x | 12:52 |
asac | fta: hildon :( | 12:53 |
asac | did you add that to build depedns? | 12:53 |
fta | hildon ? no, why ? | 12:53 |
asac | http://paste.ubuntu.com/48867/ | 12:53 |
asac | urgh | 12:53 |
asac | let me see .. .may configure found something hildon realted on my system and just deliberately enabled some mobile feature | 12:54 |
asac | http://paste.ubuntu.com/48867/ | 12:55 |
asac | sigh | 12:55 |
fta | libhildonmime ? | 12:56 |
asac | they added it without even thinking about providing a --enable switch | 12:56 |
asac | fta: yeah | 12:56 |
fta | that's in xul | 12:56 |
asac | if you have that on your system it will fail | 12:56 |
asac | the build | 12:56 |
asac | that needs to be fixed upstream | 12:56 |
asac | with a proper enable flag | 12:56 |
asac | same for libosso | 12:57 |
asac | ignorant bastards ;) | 12:57 |
asac | ok lets see how far we get without that mime-dev package on my system, | 12:59 |
asac | fta: is calendar now integrated in default builds? | 13:03 |
fta | i don't think so | 13:03 |
fta | http://home.kairo.at/blog/2008-09/welcome_calendar_to_comm_central | 13:04 |
fta | so it's in comm-central but not part of tb | 13:05 |
fta | http://www.osnews.com/story/20307/The_Linux_Ecosystem_and_Canonical_s_Contribution | 13:07 |
gnomefreak | well that sucks, anyone know where upstream bookmarksftp is? i cant find it anywhere, searches bring up debian i want authors version | 13:22 |
gnomefreak | nevermind | 13:23 |
fta | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/14?application=firefox&id=14 | 13:24 |
gnomefreak | asac: i think we need to find something else. its not compatible with firefox 3 and hasnt been updated since novenber of 2004 (upstream) see https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/14?id=14&vid=15&category= i will let debian bug that we need to find another extensions that works and is free | 13:24 |
fta | it's in the control file | 13:24 |
gnomefreak | what is? | 13:29 |
gnomefreak | ah the upstream link | 13:30 |
gnomefreak | yeah i already found it | 13:30 |
fta | gnomefreak, this one is mentioned as a successor https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8426 | 13:37 |
gnomefreak | thanks. | 13:38 |
gnomefreak | fta: is it too late to remove bookmarksftp from repos? see bug 272746 and im working on syncplaces thank. I thnk i even have upstream bzr branch already | 13:40 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 272746 in bookmarksftp "Please removed bookmarksftp from Intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272746 | 13:40 |
fta | assuming ff2 is removed, there's no point in keeping this ext, it's useless | 13:42 |
gnomefreak | fta: thats why i filed the bug above | 13:42 |
fta | but for the new one, it may be too late for this cycle | 13:43 |
fta | asac, ^^ your thoughts ? | 13:43 |
asac | fta: the fortify fix hasnt landed yet :( | 13:53 |
asac | in 3.1 | 13:54 |
fta | yep,i know, check my branch ;) | 13:54 |
sebner | asac: what fix? | 13:54 |
asac | fta: whats the bug id again? | 13:54 |
asac | moz bug | 13:54 |
sebner | asac: what bug? ^ ^ | 13:55 |
fta | bz412610_att335369_realpath_overflow.patch | 13:55 |
fta | mozilla bug 412610 | 13:55 |
ubottu | Mozilla bug 412610 in Startup and Profile System "MAXPATHLEN too small for glibc's realpath()" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412610 | 13:55 |
asac | sebner: fix for http://paste.ubuntu.com/48889/ | 13:55 |
sebner | asac: when does this occur? | 13:55 |
fta | mine was bigger :) http://paste.ubuntu.com/48890/ | 13:56 |
asac | sebner: on startup | 13:56 |
fta | sebner, i fixed it in my ppa | 13:57 |
sebner | fta: sure but it's now fixed with your new ppa version | 13:57 |
asac | sebner: if it doesnt happen it wont happen | 13:57 |
sebner | fta: ^^ | 13:57 |
asac | sebner: we have the fix everywhere | 13:57 |
asac | its just not yet landed upstream | 13:57 |
sebner | asac: fix fix fix \o/ | 13:57 |
asac | fta: which patch are we using? | 13:59 |
asac | the one with review+? | 14:00 |
fta | att335369 | 14:00 |
fta | hm, i hope that browser/app/application.ini patch will not kill the builders | 14:04 |
fta | https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird:Thunderbird3:Schedule | 14:12 |
fta | if you want a good laugh: http://webaim.org/blog/user-agent-string-history/ | 14:15 |
fta | 5474 Sep 17 Launchpad PPA ( 50) [PPA fta] Accepted: mozilla-devscripts 0.11~fta1 (source) | 14:16 |
fta | 5630 Sep 21 Launchpad PPA ( 101) [PPA fta] [ubuntu/intrepid] xulrunner-1.9.1 1.9.1~b1~hg20080921r19468+nobinonly-0ubuntu1~fta1 (Accepted) | 14:16 |
fta | could it be that ppa will soon build for more than ubuntu ?? | 14:17 |
gnomefreak | this isnt good :( i need smoke, i think syncplaces is non-free (ok i do know) | 14:18 |
gnomefreak | can someone give me an idea if this fits under any of the licenses that we can package in extensions? http://pastebin.mozilla.org/540809 | 14:25 |
* gnomefreak needs to edit copyright first | 14:28 | |
gnomefreak | maybe that is MPL? It looks simular from what i can tell | 14:35 |
gnomefreak | only thing is it doesnt say what license nor mention of Mozilla in the license | 14:36 |
Jazzva | Minutes for the last meeting are done... I'm not sure what are the statuses on the current tasks, so I mostly set them to "Not started". https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings/Minutes/2008-09-14 | 14:39 |
gnomefreak | Jazzva: can you give me a hint on this license (if its ok to package it) http://pastebin.mozilla.org/540809 | 14:40 |
Jazzva | I think it will never get into the archive. | 14:41 |
Jazzva | This Software and its source code are proprietary products of the Author | 14:41 |
gnomefreak | thats what i saw too but in another paragraph it states we can modify distribute ect... | 14:42 |
Jazzva | nope, just to use and distribute | 14:42 |
Jazzva | you are not allowed to: (a) modify or create any derivative works of the Software; (b) reverse-engineer, decompile, disassemble or otherwise attempt to derive the source code for the Software except and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted by applicable law notwithstanding this limitation; (c) manipulate or alter the components that make up this Software in any way; (d) sell, rent, lease, sublicense, o | 14:43 |
Jazzva | r otherwise transfer rights to the Software. | 14:43 |
gnomefreak | ah not alloowed to modify i thought it rad we could | 14:43 |
gnomefreak | well shit | 14:43 |
Jazzva | this is totally non-free... | 14:43 |
gnomefreak | this is starting to get hard to find one that is free | 14:45 |
Jazzva | gnomefreak, aren't there any on the needs-maintainer list? | 14:45 |
Jazzva | wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Extensions/List | 14:45 |
gnomefreak | yeah bookmarksftp and we cant do that | 14:46 |
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gnomefreak | i think we can get rid of the firefox 3 has .... to hardy | 14:46 |
Jazzva | huh? | 14:47 |
asac | bookmarksftp isnt even in the "need-maintainer" list | 14:48 |
gnomefreak | only bookmarkstfp was on there (i just removed it) it is no longer maintained since 2004 it has since changed to syncplaces | 14:48 |
gnomefreak | i just removed it | 14:49 |
asac | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Extensions/List | 14:49 |
asac | gnomefreak: ^^ | 14:49 |
asac | flashgot and linkwidgets | 14:49 |
gnomefreak | i know | 14:49 |
Volans | soci | 14:49 |
gnomefreak | I JUST REMOVED IT due to not maintained since 2004 | 14:49 |
asac | gnomefreak: right. so what is about linkwidgets? | 14:49 |
Jazzva | ok, time to check extensions... | 14:49 |
asac | maybe resurrect? | 14:49 |
gnomefreak | thats not gonna happen on my side | 14:50 |
gnomefreak | the source has a bunch of sources for all differnt extensions | 14:50 |
asac | ok. thought you were interested as you commented on the bug | 14:50 |
asac | hmm | 14:50 |
asac | so linkwidget has native components? | 14:50 |
gnomefreak | i was going to but i looked at the source and sid screw it too much work for something like an extensions | 14:51 |
asac | otherwise coulnd we just package it from .xpi instead of tree? | 14:51 |
gnomefreak | i guess i havent looked at xpi yet | 14:51 |
asac | gnomefreak: if there is no native component in the .xpi | 14:51 |
asac | we can just use the med-xpi- tools | 14:51 |
asac | if there is a license missing in the xpi we can ask the author to also ship the license in it | 14:51 |
asac | and ask him for permission to add it to the pseudo-xpi-source until that happens | 14:52 |
Jazzva | asac, how about filing two bugs? One for "Packages depend on firefox-2, and don't have a version which is compat with firefox 3. Remove them" and the second one for "Update packages" | 14:52 |
asac | Jazzva: oh ... i cannot say how thankful i am that you took the initiative and brought up minutes | 14:53 |
Jazzva | asac, I'm ashamed I didn't do it few days ago, as I said | 14:53 |
asac | Jazzva: which package would be in the "update packages" | 14:53 |
asac | Jazzva: err, actually the minutes were my task afair :( | 14:53 |
Jazzva | asac, still not sure. Haven't checked them yet | 14:53 |
Jazzva | asac, I think it was mine... but never mind :) | 14:54 |
asac | ok ;) | 14:54 |
asac | now they are done | 14:54 |
Jazzva | asac, I would open a bug report for "Update them" if there are those that can be updated | 14:54 |
gnomefreak | http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/mozdev.org/clav/linkwidget/ 2006. | 14:54 |
Jazzva | and that would only be for those extensions that depend only on ff-2, but there is an update that is compat with ff-3 | 14:54 |
gnomefreak | and still has nothing to do with bookmarks | 14:55 |
gnomefreak | it being 2 years old its likely no longer maintained (atleast google hasnt found anything newer that 07/2006 | 14:56 |
gnomefreak | i hav others to work on but this isnt just for ubuntu its also for debian (bookmark extension) | 14:57 |
gnomefreak | not sure how debian handles non free extensions but when he replys ill ask him about it | 14:58 |
gnomefreak | seems that Vimperator is shipping license.txt in the CVS asac that is atleast said on the bug you filed on it | 15:01 |
gnomefreak | gmail notifier still no license afaict | 15:02 |
Jazzva | woohoo... I passed the last hardest (or most boring) exam... telecommunications :) | 15:04 |
Jazzva | just saw that | 15:04 |
Volans | congratulations Jazzva!!! :) | 15:05 |
Jazzva | thanks Volans :) | 15:05 |
asac | urgh | 15:06 |
asac | having javascript turned off while previewing a blog entry isnt good :( | 15:06 |
asac | it saved multiple items for each preview | 15:07 |
Volans | LOL | 15:07 |
asac | yeah ... and as it is, this time planet ubuntu was immediately publishing it | 15:07 |
Volans | better than administrate an SMF forum with JS disabled asac ;) | 15:07 |
asac | not like 30 minutes later | 15:07 |
asac | hehe | 15:07 |
asac | anyway ... disregard what is currently on planet | 15:08 |
asac | the real content (which of course missed this planet publisher run) is: http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/152-ubuntu-mozillateam-minutes-14th-sep-08-....html | 15:08 |
fta | http://teddziuba.com/2008/09/a-web-os-are-you-dense.html :) | 15:08 |
gnomefreak | ok im gone for the day i think | 15:10 |
asac | gnomefreak: enjoy | 15:10 |
gnomefreak | thanks ill try to | 15:10 |
asac | fta: so how about an upload batch ;) | 15:18 |
asac | fta: next week there will be sec release. is there a seamonkey 1.1.12 tag already? | 15:18 |
fta | SEAMONKEY_1_1_12_RELEASE | 15:19 |
fta | but not sure it's really out yet | 15:19 |
fta | asac, ok for the upload batch but not before 6pm today, i have somewhere to go to 1st. | 15:20 |
asac | fta: ok cool. lets say at 7? | 15:24 |
asac | i added bug 272772 | 15:24 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 272772 in firefox-3.0 "packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package) must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272772 | 15:24 |
asac | and made it release critical | 15:24 |
asac | i also included the current result of apt-cache rdepends firefox | 15:24 |
asac | we should go through that list and add bug tasks for each package that needs to be updated | 15:24 |
asac | however, i think there is no other way to verify that than doing an apt-get source ... and looking at the control | 15:25 |
asac | anyone wants to help? :) | 15:25 |
asac | Volans: you asked if you could help on the transition right? ;) | 15:25 |
Volans | asac: translation of what? | 15:26 |
* Volans try to remember | 15:26 | |
asac | Volans: transition ;) | 15:26 |
asac | Volans: bug 272772 | 15:26 |
Volans | ah yes! :) | 15:26 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 272772 in firefox-3.0 "packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package) must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272772 | 15:26 |
Volans | sure | 15:26 |
asac | Volans: read https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/272772/comments/1 | 15:26 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 272772 in firefox-3.0 "packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package) must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser" [High,Confirmed] | 15:26 |
Volans | (I have sent you a mail tonight with a summary of med-scripts) | 15:26 |
asac | most work should be to look and identify packages out of that list that really need to be updated | 15:26 |
asac | Volans: oh. | 15:27 |
asac | Volans: did you committ them too? | 15:27 |
asac | (i try to not read email on sunday - i dont want to read bad news ;)) | 15:27 |
Volans | lol | 15:27 |
Volans | no don't have committed waiting your feedback | 15:27 |
Volans | due to some problems... | 15:28 |
Volans | is a very long email, sorry :) | 15:28 |
asac | urgh | 15:32 |
asac | ok let me try to find it without looking at anything else | 15:33 |
Volans | there is a list of newer version for 10 of 16 branches tested | 15:34 |
Volans | for 6 the script fails for 2 different reason (no actual version in existing branch OR no actual version on AMO folder) | 15:35 |
Volans | this is a very shor summary :) | 15:35 |
Volans | asac: in the meantime, I can do some automatic change to the packages for the transition of abrowser? (excluding extensions ATM) | 15:36 |
Volans | asac: the list in the bug you have reported was made on intrepid right? | 15:40 |
asac | Volans: ok | 15:49 |
asac | Volans: those that have no proper version in install.rdf are not xpi packaged | 15:49 |
asac | so they can be ignored for now .... i think | 15:49 |
asac | at least for the moment | 15:49 |
Volans | ok | 15:49 |
asac | Volans: also ... i think we should use explicit tags | 15:50 |
asac | so you can better identify which version is actually packaged | 15:50 |
Volans | in the branch name? | 15:50 |
asac | Volans: no ... i think that we should use bzr tag | 15:51 |
asac | like MED_XPI_AMO_0.7a | 15:51 |
asac | or something | 15:51 |
asac | Volans: but we only have to look at .upstream for this round | 15:51 |
Volans | some extensions have only .ubuntu | 15:52 |
Volans | and not .upstream | 15:52 |
asac | Volans: yes. those need to be resurrected | 15:52 |
asac | Volans: either rev 1 is .upstream | 15:52 |
asac | or the last revision you see in the bzr log that was merged | 15:52 |
asac | you can then do bzr branch -r 7.1.4 extension.ubutun extension.upstream | 15:53 |
asac | and get a perfect upstream branch | 15:53 |
Volans | ok so I have to change this in the scripts, actually I have used the .ubuntu because there are more than .upstream | 15:53 |
asac | (7.1.4 being the revision that you see in bzr log as being merged) | 15:53 |
Volans | yes | 15:53 |
asac | Volans: no. i think those that dont have .upstream need to be fixed manually once | 15:53 |
Volans | ok | 15:53 |
asac | Volans: no need to put that much work in to fixing it smartly in script | 15:53 |
asac | its not easy to find which was the last "upstream" merge programatically | 15:53 |
Volans | no no manually | 15:54 |
asac | as there could also be merged from packaging branches | 15:54 |
asac | yeah | 15:54 |
Volans | instead, for the abrowser transition the right way is download source package, change debian control and changelog and re-package? | 15:54 |
asac | Volans: thats a one time action. later people should request an "upstream" branch before starting to do the packaging | 15:54 |
asac | Volans: yeah. well. you can do that ... or just look in debian/control ... if it has firefox in depends/recommends/sugests, just add a bug target | 15:55 |
asac | err | 15:55 |
asac | task | 15:55 |
asac | so fta and me can go over the bug tasks and upload all packages | 15:55 |
asac | debdiff might be ok, but doesnt really take work from us | 15:55 |
asac | but getting a reduced list of packages that are affected would help a lot | 15:55 |
asac | because then we could just go package by package and upload | 15:55 |
Volans | actually I'm downloading all the source packages | 15:56 |
asac | Volans: right | 15:56 |
asac | but since you cannot upload it doesnt take much work from us if you append a debdiff | 15:56 |
asac | we have to download all those that you find need to be changed too | 15:56 |
asac | and adding the depend and recommends just takes a second or two ;) | 15:56 |
asac | D) if ubuntu version was uploaded to AMO before then 25/03/2007 (AMO | 15:56 |
asac | public folder have 25/03/2007 00:00 as datetime for all older addons) | 15:56 |
asac | Volans: ^^ | 15:57 |
asac | what problem does that cause? | 15:57 |
asac | we sync all anyway, right? | 15:57 |
Volans | all the version older than 25/03/2007 00:00 have the same date and time on AMO, as I use ls -t this do not list the extensions in proper way | 15:57 |
Volans | this happen only if the actual Ubuntu packaged version | 15:58 |
asac | Volans: is that for "get-import-queie"? | 15:58 |
asac | Volans: mirror just runs wget right? | 15:58 |
asac | (and shouldnt care for the sake of proper synching) | 15:58 |
Volans | yes, is only for get-newer | 15:58 |
asac | Volans: we should sort that by install.rdf version | 15:58 |
asac | and not by date/timestamp | 15:58 |
asac | thought you did that :) | 15:59 |
asac | might be a bit more tricky ... maybe sh is too bad for that. feel free to use whatever script language helps you ... or even C code ;) | 15:59 |
Volans | actually I have made a little simpler version, but can be done in a simple way | 15:59 |
Volans | actually I list with ls- l and check the install.rdf | 15:59 |
Volans | and stop when found the actual ubuntu version | 16:00 |
Volans | in this way I don't made version comparison | 16:00 |
Volans | that can be tricky | 16:00 |
Volans | asac: damn mozilla-openoffice.org source package is 820MB :) | 16:02 |
asac | Volans: skip that ... if thats too much for you | 16:03 |
asac | fta loves to download huge chunks through his gigabit pipe ;) | 16:03 |
Volans | that pacakge already downloaded... I was wondering why it does not have already finished and made a du -csh :D | 16:04 |
asac | ah ok | 16:04 |
asac | Volans: yeah. so just add the package to the bug when they have firefox mentioned directly | 16:05 |
asac | i will be off for 30 minutes or so | 16:05 |
Volans | me too, but for a couple of hour or so | 16:05 |
Volans | so you prefer to add the task instead of made a debdiff asac? | 16:05 |
asac | Volans: task is a must ... debdiff is ok, but not requred | 16:08 |
Volans | ok so task :) you know if I can do that automatically with the new LP API? | 16:09 |
asac | Volans: most likely you can ;) | 16:15 |
asac | but most likely it will take more time ;) | 16:15 |
Volans | LOL | 16:15 |
asac | Volans: you have to click "also affects distribution" | 16:15 |
asac | and use Ubuntu -> packagename | 16:15 |
asac | then set it to triaged or confirmed - in case you dont have triaged powers yet | 16:16 |
Volans | yes I know thanks, download finished | 16:16 |
fta | back, sooner than expected. | 16:33 |
fta | asac, ready when you are | 16:33 |
asac | fta: volans is still doing some preps ;) | 16:37 |
asac | not sure if want to start right away :) | 16:37 |
Volans | I have the list ready | 16:37 |
fta | what for ? | 16:37 |
Volans | attacching to the bug | 16:37 |
asac | Volans: did you open tasks? | 16:37 |
asac | ah cool | 16:37 |
asac | fta: figuring which rdepends actually require modification | 16:37 |
asac | fta: so we can go through a reduced list ... and not the one you get by apt-cache rdepends | 16:38 |
asac | fta: he is opening tasks in the bug right now | 16:38 |
Volans | asac: fta https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/272772/comments/2 | 16:38 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 272772 in firefox-3.0 "packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package) must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser" [High,Confirmed] | 16:38 |
asac | fta: once thats done we can easily coordinate who looks into what by assigning each task ;) | 16:38 |
asac | Volans: good. except that that list is cluttered a bit by firefox-3.0 | 16:39 |
asac | and firefox-2 ;) | 16:39 |
fta | asac, i guess i can start with the ones in universe and you by main | 16:39 |
Volans | I'm going out now but hope to find some time later today. | 16:39 |
Volans | asac: what is the problem? | 16:39 |
asac | fta: right. but i would love to have a list first. | 16:39 |
Volans | I can regenerate it in a couple of seconds ;) | 16:39 |
asac | Volans: well. that list also includes packages with firefox-3.0 | 16:39 |
asac | Volans: if firefox-3.0 is there then we dont need to touch it | 16:39 |
Volans | ak ok sorry, let me made some changes to the script and regenerate the list | 16:40 |
asac | Volans: i mean... if there is "firefox" we always want to touch it | 16:40 |
asac | but if there is only firefox-3.0 we dont need to | 16:40 |
Volans | ok | 16:40 |
asac | fta: ok. so changelog entry could read: | 16:41 |
asac | abrowser addition upload by mozillateam | 16:41 |
asac | * fix LP: #272772: packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package) must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser | 16:41 |
asac | - update debian/control | 16:42 |
asac | fta: usually we should respect teh changelog format ... at least if we can see a line ;) | 16:42 |
Volans | ah asac for gnome-do-plugins there isn't a source package | 16:43 |
Volans | I got an apt error | 16:43 |
asac | Volans: ok. we should note those and think later what to do about them | 16:43 |
asac | fta: ok. Volans appears to not have the time to add the bug targets. so probably we should add the package before upload (to properly track something) | 16:44 |
asac | fta: ok. then lets start with those that are not extensions | 16:44 |
asac | i will add the packages to the bug and assign to me which i am working on ... so we dont conflict | 16:45 |
asac | ;) | 16:45 |
Volans | asac: lines with only firefox-2? | 16:45 |
fta | give me 5 min, i'm writing a small helper script to take care of dl and changelog, i keep control manual as it could be tricky | 16:45 |
asac | Volans: not needed for this | 16:45 |
Volans | ok | 16:45 |
asac | Volans: so basically all those locales should not be in there ;) | 16:45 |
Volans | yes I'm doing it | 16:46 |
asac | Volans: can you also dump the section there to? | 16:46 |
asac | like "main" or universe? | 16:46 |
asac | (next or under the package name)? | 16:46 |
asac | if you have no time then its fine | 16:46 |
Volans | sure, Is a matter of seconds :D | 16:46 |
asac | fta: you probably should abort the apt-get source download when there is Vcs-Bzr header | 16:47 |
Volans | asac what is the wuickest way do get the main or universe? | 16:47 |
asac | probably needs to take look | 16:47 |
fta | there are some, but if it's debian, we should do it anyway right ? | 16:47 |
fta | NOTICE: 'screenlets' packaging is maintained in the 'Svn' version control system at: | 16:48 |
fta | svn://svn.debian.org/python-apps/packages/screenlets/trunk | 16:48 |
asac | Volans: the binary packages have pool/{universe,main}/ ... in their filename ... maybe that? | 16:48 |
asac | Volans: i assume you are looking at the Packages? | 16:48 |
asac | Volans: arent there two packges? one for main and one for universe? | 16:48 |
asac | Volans: if you use apt-cache then the .deb file path is probably the way to go | 16:49 |
Volans | I have do an apt-get source for the list | 16:49 |
asac | fta: yeah. that is probably a debian package ... we should forward the patch to debbugs | 16:49 |
asac | and tag it somehow :/ | 16:49 |
Volans | the new log is only 140 lines | 16:49 |
asac | fta: but if its not an ubuntu bzr, we can just upload | 16:49 |
asac | fta: if it doesnt have a ubuntu package version we have to ubuntunize maintainer fields too ;) | 16:50 |
asac | like: sed -e 's/Maintainer: /XSBC-Original-Maintainer: / | 16:50 |
fta | based on what ? motu ? mt ? | 16:50 |
asac | fta: motu | 16:50 |
asac | if its univerese | 16:50 |
fta | ok | 16:50 |
asac | core dev if its main | 16:50 |
Volans | asac: new list attached to the bug | 16:50 |
Volans | sorry, now I really have to go :) | 16:51 |
asac | but i will do main anyway | 16:51 |
asac | Volans: thanks | 16:51 |
Volans | I don't have done the manin-univertse thing... | 16:51 |
asac | Volans: much better ;) | 16:51 |
asac | Volans: yeah. should be really just a few (if any) main packages | 16:51 |
asac | so fine | 16:51 |
asac | ubufox | 16:51 |
asac | will do that in bzr now | 16:51 |
asac | the upload has to wait for the EULA resolution though | 16:52 |
asac | fta: ok. i assigned ubufox to me in the bug | 16:53 |
asac | fta: may i go ahead and add packages and assign a few to you? | 16:53 |
asac | (basically going down the list | 16:53 |
fta | sure | 16:53 |
asac | ok will do | 16:53 |
Volans | the only error is gnome-do-plugins on apt-get source... good job, see you later :) | 16:53 |
asac | i somehow like transition bugs ;) | 16:54 |
asac | thats something launchpad is actually prepared to do properly ;) | 16:55 |
asac | at least compared to the "search bugs for strings"-use-case | 16:55 |
asac | which is completely non existing for me :( | 16:55 |
asac | Jazzva: could you look if amsn is a proper done extension? | 16:56 |
asac | Jazzva: from the depends list that i just saw it looks like it was just synched from debian | 16:56 |
asac | and firefox as depends properly predates iceweasel and most likely means its not properly installed | 16:56 |
asac | (at least i havent heard of it ... which of course means it might have slipped through) ;) | 16:56 |
asac | fta: hmm. most really are extensions which need to be fixed in bzr :/ | 16:59 |
asac | but they are in ubuntu-dev so you should be able to commit there too | 16:59 |
fta | dch is not script friendly | 17:07 |
asac | fta: yeah... thats what i said once ;) | 17:07 |
asac | when i did auto build script for gnash | 17:07 |
asac | your reply was: "cat is better anyway ;))" | 17:08 |
asac | ok this bugs finally becomes slow ;) | 17:09 |
fta | i'm nearly done | 17:11 |
fta | i mean, with my script | 17:12 |
asac | fta: ok i decided to assign the openoffice.org upload to our openoffice maintainer | 17:12 |
asac | so we dont have to bother with that beast | 17:12 |
fta | yep, good news :) | 17:12 |
asac | milestoning so RMs nag him in case he doesnt care or doesnt notice | 17:12 |
asac | fta: ok. wait a few more minutes for me to finish this | 17:13 |
asac | its a bit lenghty ;) | 17:13 |
fta | i don't touch native packages, and packages maintained in bzr/lp | 17:17 |
asac | fta: huh? | 17:17 |
fta | i mean, my script | 17:17 |
asac | fta: you wont touch extensions? | 17:18 |
asac | ah | 17:18 |
asac | fta: ok. | 17:18 |
asac | i only can hope that this clicking-orige gives decent karma at least :( | 17:21 |
fta | http://paste.ubuntu.com/48963/ | 17:22 |
fta | hm, i need to show diff | 17:22 |
fta | hm, would be nice to do a temporary bzr branch :) | 17:23 |
asac | hehe | 17:24 |
asac | why not ;) | 17:24 |
asac | actually james_w already has a mirror somewhere of all packages | 17:24 |
asac | but he isnt here today | 17:24 |
asac | ok i think bug 272772 is properly triaged | 17:24 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 272772 in zekr "packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package) must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272772 | 17:24 |
asac | we probably should rerun volans script once we are done | 17:25 |
asac | but i have the feeling that all the bzr branches need also to be "auto" updated | 17:25 |
asac | at least the changelog | 17:25 |
asac | what a massive bug ;) | 17:25 |
fta | hm, i need to be smarter with the maintainer field | 17:27 |
fta | main vs universe | 17:27 |
asac | fta: http://paste.ubuntu.com/48967/ | 17:28 |
asac | fta: well. there should really be just one or two packages in main | 17:28 |
asac | openoffice is already dealt with | 17:28 |
asac | and ubufox is on my list | 17:28 |
asac | fta: oh ... when you commit to bzr either use debcommit or pass --fixes lp:272772 to bzr commit | 17:29 |
asac | fta: in that way the branch will be auto connected to the bug on launchpad | 17:29 |
asac | which is _cool_ (TM) | 17:30 |
fta | hmm? i meant a tempo branch just for us, not something to push to lp | 17:30 |
asac | fta: yeah. i talked about those that are on a branch -> extensions | 17:30 |
fta | oh | 17:31 |
asac | we need to do them in branch and upload then | 17:31 |
asac | just wanted to point out that debcommit automagically passes --fixes lp:xxxx to bzr commit | 17:31 |
fta | let me finish that 1st ;) | 17:31 |
asac | and if you use that it will automatically show up the branch in bug once you pushed it | 17:31 |
fta | do we have pkgs both in main and universe ? | 17:36 |
asac | fta: extensions? | 17:38 |
asac | fta: ah | 17:38 |
asac | you mean split! | 17:38 |
asac | not that i know of, but there is a bunch of packages in that list i havent seen before :) | 17:38 |
asac | so cant tell _ | 17:38 |
fta | asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/48974/ | 17:48 |
fta | oops | 17:49 |
asac | fta: yeah. can you use: $NAME and $DEBEMAIL so i can use it too? | 17:50 |
fta | it's dch | 17:50 |
Jazzva | asac, amsn is not an extension. It should be a MSN messenger... | 17:50 |
asac | fta: ah cool | 17:50 |
asac | Jazzva: oh | 17:50 |
Jazzva | (sorry, i had some friends over, and I was a bit away0 | 17:50 |
Jazzva | ) | 17:50 |
asac | Jazzva: all fine. so is that something that uses the gecko engine? | 17:51 |
fta | http://paste.ubuntu.com/48980/ | 17:51 |
Jazzva | asac, it shouldn't use. It's written in tcl/tk. Perhaps it's just using firefox as default browser when opening links. | 17:51 |
RainCT | asac: uhm.. wouldn't a "Provides: firefox" in abrowser be enough instead of bug #272772? | 17:52 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 272772 in zekr "packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package) must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272772 | 17:52 |
asac | fta: ok. ubufox fix committed | 17:53 |
Nafallo | ubufix? :-) | 17:54 |
Jazzva | asac, what about what RainCT suggested? | 17:54 |
asac | i dont think that provides works well for non-virtual packages | 17:55 |
asac | so when you have abrowser installed and you install ubufox, firefox would still be pulled in and the provides: is probably not strong enough to keep abrowser installed | 17:56 |
asac | thats my guess. maybe i am wrong ;) | 17:56 |
Nafallo | KVM and try it out :-) | 17:57 |
asac | Nafallo: i dont need kvm ;) | 17:57 |
asac | i need to rebuild firefox package ;) | 17:57 |
Nafallo | I'm not going to write what I just thought ;-) | 17:57 |
asac | hehe | 17:58 |
asac | well. it takes 2 minutes nowaday | 17:58 |
fta | asac, ok, i think i'm good with this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/48985/ | 17:58 |
asac | fta: hmm. | 17:59 |
asac | ok | 17:59 |
asac | ah you show the diff automatically | 17:59 |
asac | thats good | 17:59 |
fta | that's why i used bzr :) | 17:59 |
fta | you could also test build and create the src package with your usual aliases | 18:00 |
asac | fta: ok. lets use it then | 18:01 |
asac | fta: i am trying the provides: option right now | 18:01 |
asac | but i doubt its good enough | 18:02 |
fta | http://paste.ubuntu.com/48989/ | 18:03 |
fta | http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/add-abrower.sh.txt | 18:04 |
asac | ok wait one more minute | 18:05 |
fta | oops, bad, don't use that scrupt | 18:06 |
asac | yeah i am not yet finished anyway ;) | 18:07 |
fta | fixed, re-dl if you already took it | 18:07 |
asac | ok. the provides behaviour is better then expected. but i am bit scared | 18:17 |
fta | as you want, it's a 1 line change in my script | 18:18 |
RainCT | perhaps someone in #ubuntu-devel can confirm if there may be problems with it or not | 18:20 |
asac | Jazzva: RainCT: here is the downside of having a Provides: of something that is not virtual: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/screenshots/ptitude_abrowser_provides.png | 18:21 |
asac | err | 18:21 |
asac | Jazzva: RainCT: here is the downside of having a Provides: of something that is not virtual: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/screenshots/aptitude_abrowser_provides.png | 18:21 |
asac | RainCT: i am pretty sure that there are even other problems | 18:21 |
asac | the other option would be to introduce a real virtual package like: | 18:22 |
asac | 100%-firefox-compatible | 18:22 |
asac | ;) | 18:22 |
RainCT | (that package has a typo in "seamonkey", btw) | 18:22 |
RainCT | heh | 18:22 |
asac | good catch | 18:22 |
gnomefreak | is .xfs a normal MS excell extension? | 18:23 |
asac | i havent seen that extension | 18:23 |
asac | fta: ok ... maybe add the bzr checkout then ;) | 18:23 |
gnomefreak | OO.o gives a bunch of excel extensions :( | 18:23 |
asac | fta: lets get started then. i think for this transition we only need on commit that is also the RELEASE commit | 18:24 |
fta | hold on, i'm improving the regexp | 18:24 |
fta | bzr checkout ? | 18:25 |
fta | asac, ^^ | 18:25 |
asac | fta: well. i think thats easiest | 18:26 |
RainCT | by the way, why did you add abrowser instead of iceweasel? | 18:26 |
fta | where ? | 18:26 |
asac | RainCT: various reasons | 18:26 |
asac | RainCT: one is that abrowser is better ;) | 18:27 |
asac | RainCT: further, we cannot sync ... and debian probably would hate if we shipped our firefox as iceweasel | 18:27 |
asac | instead of syncing | 18:27 |
asac | or merging | 18:27 |
asac | RainCT: what we can do though at some point is to provide and iceweasel-branding package | 18:28 |
asac | i dont see a reason why not | 18:28 |
asac | but that could also be done _outside_ the firefox-3.0 sources, but anyone who wants to do that | 18:28 |
fta | but that would mean another transition | 18:28 |
fta | asac, plz re-grab http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/add-abrower.sh.txt it is 0.03 | 18:29 |
asac | RainCT: but there are more reasons. one quite important is that we have a neutral branding | 18:29 |
asac | and our goal is to improve the packaging in such a way that downstreams can easily use their own branding | 18:30 |
fta | more importantly, we still provide firefox to those who don't care about all this :) | 18:30 |
RainCT | asac: Oh. That last point is interesting, although I don't see how it would be useful :P | 18:31 |
fta | asac, should I start now ? or do you want "Provides" ? | 18:33 |
asac | RainCT: why? | 18:36 |
asac | fta: yeah. let me do the start ;) | 18:38 |
asac | fta: i just commented on the bug | 18:38 |
fta | asac, make sure you have my 0.03 | 18:39 |
asac | fta: ok that doesnt have auto branching and trying the same logic there yete, right? | 18:40 |
asac | fta: you dont need the full package before knowning that its maintaine din bzr | 18:41 |
fta | no, but i could do it too, it's not that difficult. | 18:41 |
RainCT | asac: well.. what's the point of having 50 different brandings for Firefox? | 18:41 |
asac | it should be visible in apt-cache | 18:41 |
asac | RainCT: the point is that firefox is the main brand ... everything else is just to get out of some restrictions | 18:42 |
asac | and there will be no such thing like a "strong" brand name | 18:42 |
fta | asac, let's postpone for 1h then, i can improve the script a bit more after dinner | 18:42 |
asac | think about it like mozilla being the big emporer and then there are plenty of people that dont like mozilla, but have different goals/attitudes | 18:42 |
asac | so they cannot join forces | 18:43 |
asac | also joining forces requires negotiation ... and thats difficult among rebells | 18:43 |
asac | and coordination and all that kind of stuff | 18:44 |
asac | RainCT: i worked with debian mozilla team for a long time ... and whatever i tried to do, they had different opinions. | 18:44 |
asac | i wont really try to change that anymore in future | 18:44 |
asac | the other option might have been icecat | 18:44 |
sebner | asac: yeah, sometimes Debian folks are really strange | 18:44 |
asac | but thats not really a strong project too | 18:44 |
asac | sebner: i am a debian developer ... so there hopefully are reasonable ones | 18:45 |
asac | only problem is that in the mozilla area the appear to be extreme out-of-band ;) | 18:45 |
sebner | asac: for sure ^^ | 18:45 |
RainCT | asac: That still doesn't explain why you would want more than one unbranded Fx in Ubuntu (I'm not saying that it's a bad idea to make it easy to have different brands, just wondering if there's a reason for that) | 18:46 |
fta | asac, ok to postpone a little bit to let me improve this script ? | 18:47 |
asac | RainCT: read what i wrote | 18:47 |
asac | RainCT: i dont want any unbranded ffox in ubuntu ... i just want to provide _downstreams_ with something that they can easily use | 18:47 |
fta | asac, i means less manual work so imho it's worth it | 18:47 |
fta | it | 18:47 |
asac | for whatever branding they chose | 18:47 |
asac | fta: sure | 18:47 |
asac | fta: you can check for bzr upfront ... then branch bzr and maybe get the orig in tarballs/ directory (otherwise bzr should do that automagically anyway) | 18:48 |
asac | fta: but the patching should be the same i guess | 18:48 |
fta | am i allowed to push to lp/~ubuntu-dev now ? | 18:48 |
asac | fta: yes | 18:49 |
asac | fta: thats your realm ;) | 18:49 |
fta | hm, great :) | 18:49 |
fta | i thought it was only core-devs | 18:49 |
asac | fta: no ... thats ~ubuntu-core-dev | 18:50 |
fta | oh | 18:50 |
asac | fta: i think ubuntu-dev was created to avoid name confusion | 18:50 |
asac | fta: and also to later allow other teams than MOTU to upload to universe | 18:50 |
asac | e.g. MOTU is a membmer of ubuntu-dev | 18:50 |
asac | core-dev is a direct member of ubuntu-dev too | 18:50 |
asac | mozillateam could at some point also become a member of ubuntu-dev | 18:51 |
asac | (hopefully) | 18:51 |
asac | so people wont need to become a motu, but joining mozillateam would make them eligible for uploading | 18:51 |
asac | not sure if there would be any standard requirements our team policy has to fulfill | 18:51 |
fta | strange, apt-cache doesn't report Vcs-Browse | 18:51 |
asac | fta: hmm | 18:52 |
asac | fta: you could also download Packages: | 18:52 |
fta | Vcs-Bzr is ok though | 18:52 |
asac | Packages | 18:52 |
asac | or Sources | 18:52 |
asac | fta: yeah | 18:52 |
asac | fta: ok ... thopugh tit doesnt display anything | 18:52 |
asac | if its Bzr-Bzr then its fine | 18:52 |
asac | it think -Browser is a not official fork | 18:52 |
asac | RainCT: once the EULA thing is over we will draft an abrowser FAQ | 18:52 |
asac | that should explain a bit whats the idea and why thats the way that was taken | 18:53 |
RainCT | asac: OK, thanks :). About your last comment on the bug, will you suggest Debian to use such a firefox-compatible-browser package? | 18:54 |
asac | RainCT: why not? | 18:56 |
asac | RainCT: i hope they do | 18:56 |
asac | RainCT: of course: would be hard ;) | 18:56 |
asac | but would be a thing worth discussing imo | 18:56 |
fta | asac, hmm, what if the branch is UNRELEASED ?? | 18:56 |
asac | fta: which branch? | 18:56 |
asac | fta: in general i would say that we should just add the new changelog, fix it and push | 18:56 |
asac | and maybe get a log so we can look why that isnt release | 18:57 |
asac | and maybe release it | 18:57 |
asac | fta: which bgranch in ~ubuntu-dev is UNREALEASED? | 18:57 |
asac | fta: actually only release bits should go there | 18:57 |
asac | so that would indicate something went wrong ;) | 18:57 |
RainCT | indeed (although I guess people would still want extensions to be merged to s/Iceweasel/Firefox/ the description :() | 18:57 |
asac | RainCT: i think we could find a term both can use: | 18:58 |
asac | xyz extension for firefox compatible browsers (iceweasel, abrowser, icecat, firefox ...) | 18:58 |
fta | asac, no, i was just doing the corner cases, i will abort if i find one | 18:58 |
asac | RainCT: and since we have a bunch of extensions we could contribute to debian | 18:58 |
asac | quite easily, its in our hand to set a "standard" | 18:59 |
asac | ;) | 18:59 |
asac | when 70% of the extensions use some practice, it will probably help to convince others to folloow for the sake of unification | 18:59 |
RainCT | Yep. Is the extensions .mk thing already in Debian? | 18:59 |
asac | RainCT: unfortunately not yet. | 18:59 |
asac | probably my fault. but debian is frozen anyway. and i dont want to beg in debian-release ;) | 19:00 |
asac | so lenny+1 | 19:00 |
asac | we should tackle that | 19:00 |
RainCT | asac: something more: your "this is free software.." message bar is cool (well, as cool as a licensing thingie can be) :) | 19:03 |
asac | fta: Jazzva: oh. glandium answered in my blog about mozilla-devscripts | 19:03 |
asac | in response to meeting entry | 19:03 |
fta | url? | 19:04 |
asac | posted above | 19:04 |
asac | /lastlog asoftsite | 19:04 |
asac | http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/152-ubuntu-mozillateam-minutes-14th-sep-08-....html | 19:04 |
Jazzva | hmm... why? | 19:05 |
asac | why what? | 19:05 |
Jazzva | why wouldn't they accept the package? | 19:05 |
Jazzva | (though, I'm not sure what's everything that is in mozilla-devscripts) | 19:05 |
asac | i doubt he has any say on what gets accepted :) | 19:05 |
asac | worst case is that they wont adopt it ;) | 19:05 |
Jazzva | that means extensions diverging forever :) | 19:06 |
asac | Jazzva: well. plan is to use that, upload extensions that are not in debian | 19:06 |
asac | and then convince extension maintainers to use xpi.mk or whatever | 19:06 |
Jazzva | yeah, it sure is easier :) | 19:06 |
asac | Jazzva: glandium doesnt maintain many extensions | 19:07 |
asac | maybe one | 19:07 |
Jazzva | well, I don't see why they wouldn't accept xpi.mk. That also means more packaged extensions for them | 19:07 |
Jazzva | just to change one variable (MOX_XPI_INSTALL_DIRS) | 19:07 |
Jazzva | (or whatever it's named) | 19:07 |
asac | Jazzva: most likely his "some" referred to xpi.mk | 19:09 |
Jazzva | right :) | 19:09 |
asac | Jazzva: lp-export-locales.mk is certainly not much useful for debian | 19:09 |
asac | mozclient could be quite useful imo. at least to unify how to get latest ice* sources | 19:10 |
asac | but we cannot force the maintainers to adopt that | 19:10 |
asac | only packages i can change is icedove and iceowl | 19:10 |
asac | and maybe iceape, but thats questionable. | 19:10 |
asac | even though we are formally a maintenance team, glandium did most of the work and thus I dont feel entitled to do that without him agreeing | 19:11 |
fta | asac, maybe it's mozclient, it's the biggest part of m-d in terms of files and code | 19:15 |
fta | asac, what commit code should i use for the branches ? | 19:16 |
fta | i mean, commit message | 19:16 |
fta | i see no common format | 19:16 |
fta | Bug 272263 | 19:16 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 272263 in icedove-dispmua "icedove-dispmua: Package has a Depends on icedove (<= 2.0.0.99) which cannot be satisfied in Intrepid" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272263 | 19:16 |
asac | fta: those in bzr are mostly extensions i guess | 19:17 |
asac | fta: so our "standard" format should apply | 19:17 |
fta | just * RELEASE 1.2.3 to intrepid ? | 19:17 |
fta | or that + the changelog entry | 19:18 |
asac | fta: RELEASE 1.x.x to ubuntu/intrepid | 19:19 |
asac | and then | 19:19 |
asac | * fix LP:#yyxxx - this was done to fix it | 19:19 |
asac | actually RELEASE 1.x.x-yubuntuZ | 19:20 |
fta | asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/49024/ | 19:26 |
asac | fta: looks decent ;) | 19:26 |
fta | testing a few other cases before calling it good | 19:27 |
fta | ... | 19:27 |
asac | kk | 19:29 |
fta | oh, you took also some in universe | 19:30 |
asac | sigh | 19:30 |
asac | our ppp appears to be outdated | 19:31 |
fta | **** Package version is 7.14.4-1build1 in universe | 19:31 |
fta | **** It's a debian package | 19:31 |
fta | **** New version will be 7.14.4-1build1ubuntu0 | 19:31 |
fta | hm | 19:31 |
asac | as upstream hasnt baked a release for ages | 19:31 |
asac | why do i have to go though git now to find a patch :( | 19:31 |
asac | fta: as i said: there are no in main ;) | 19:31 |
asac | i think i am already done by committing ubufox :) | 19:31 |
fta | lol | 19:31 |
fta | 7.14.4-1build1ubuntu0 seems strange but correct | 19:31 |
asac | fta: so that was a not modified debian package before? | 19:32 |
fta | nip2 | 19:32 |
asac | ? | 19:32 |
* gnomefreak really hates people today :( | 19:33 | |
fta | asac, it's nip2 (just picking random pkg in the list to test the script) | 19:33 |
asac | gnomefreak: hate never helps and seldomly yields good results for any party;) | 19:33 |
asac | fta: ah ;) | 19:34 |
asac | yeah | 19:34 |
asac | nip2 is probably not in bzr | 19:34 |
asac | fta: look at the Maintinaer: field | 19:34 |
asac | can you please check whether MOTU is maintaining that in debian or if the version is a bug? | 19:34 |
asac | if its really a merged package then the package version is incorrect from what i can tell | 19:35 |
asac | e.g. we should fix it and use plain 0ubuntu1 | 19:35 |
fta | -Maintainer: Jay Berkenbilt <qjb@debian.org> | 19:35 |
fta | +Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu.ubuntu.com> | 19:35 |
fta | +XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Jay Berkenbilt <qjb@debian.org> | 19:35 |
asac | ah | 19:35 |
asac | ok | 19:35 |
asac | fta: err | 19:35 |
asac | i have MOTU in my apt-cache | 19:36 |
fta | what ? | 19:36 |
asac | so it cant be just now | 19:36 |
asac | anyway | 19:36 |
asac | if the package currently in archive is a merge then the version should have ubuntuX | 19:36 |
asac | let me look at debian | 19:36 |
* fta updating chroot to be sure... | 19:36 | |
asac | yeah ...d ebian doesnt use buildX | 19:36 |
asac | its just 7.14.5-1 | 19:37 |
asac | in lenny | 19:37 |
asac | and sid | 19:37 |
asac | maybe ask the guy who did the merge ;) | 19:37 |
asac | not 100% sure if buildX is working (e.g. prevents auto synchs) | 19:37 |
asac | but most likely its wrong | 19:37 |
asac | havent seen it being used before at least | 19:37 |
gnomefreak | is license spelled right? | 19:37 |
* gnomefreak gets ready to curse at upstream morons | 19:38 | |
gnomefreak | they use 2 websites and packages and no where does it mention a license | 19:38 |
gnomefreak | brb smoke | 19:38 |
fta | asac, the script is not committing or pushing by itself, so let's keep that for the manual check | 19:40 |
fta | flashplugin-nonfree is not in the list ? | 19:41 |
fta | asac, what is the right dput target ? ubuntu ? | 19:45 |
asac | fta: yes | 19:47 |
asac | fta: try one and see what happens :) | 19:47 |
asac | fta: most likely flashplugin-nonfree depends on xulrunner-1.9 | 19:47 |
fta | it was in comment #2 | 19:48 |
asac | fta: i think one good session topic for UDS would be "cleaning up the mozilla mess - fixing depends, alternatives and such ..." | 19:48 |
fta | :) | 19:49 |
asac | i think ppp is so outdated that i wont be able to cherry pick the fixes we need | 19:52 |
fta | hm, seems it's not working for branches | 19:52 |
asac | hmm | 19:52 |
asac | introducing 2 years of more or less active upstream development doesnt feel good that late in the cycle too | 19:53 |
asac | fta: what isnt working for branches? | 19:53 |
fta | http://paste.ubuntu.com/49038/ | 19:53 |
asac | fta: thats a bug in builddeb | 19:54 |
asac | fta: it downloads the tarball to the wrong dir | 19:54 |
asac | fta: manually copy it from .. to ../tarballs | 19:54 |
asac | to fix that | 19:54 |
asac | s/copy/move/ | 19:54 |
fta | grrr | 19:54 |
asac | james_w is aware of that | 19:54 |
asac | but shouldnt be really hard i would say | 19:54 |
fta | except that it in the middle of bd | 19:55 |
asac | let me see if i can spot that easily | 19:55 |
fta | i need to fetch the tarball myself | 19:55 |
asac | hmm the code looks sane | 19:56 |
gnomefreak | there frigging finished with them today | 19:56 |
asac | fta: well. better fix bzr builddeb ;) | 19:56 |
asac | fta: or let it fail once, and try again if you find a downloaded tarball in wrong directory ;) | 19:57 |
gnomefreak | ok 3 done and 1 on hold | 19:57 |
gnomefreak | we are running out of extensions btw | 19:57 |
gnomefreak | just have to get what we have done in archives if too late for intrpeid i guess intrepid+1 | 19:58 |
fta | good, fixed | 20:00 |
fta | asac, http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/add-abrower.sh.txt 0.04 | 20:02 |
asac | fta: maybe expliceitly spoecifiying --tarball-dir= ... helps? | 20:02 |
fta | too late :) | 20:03 |
asac | fta: so did you do an upload? | 20:03 |
fta | nope, not yet | 20:03 |
fta | but i'm ready now | 20:03 |
asac | fta: i would suggest to try one package ;) | 20:04 |
fta | i'm starting with xfig | 20:04 |
asac | hmm what was the bug? | 20:04 |
fta | -Suggests: xfig, firefox|www-browser, xpdf-reader|pdf-viewer | 20:04 |
fta | +Suggests: xfig, firefox | abrowser|www-browser, xpdf-reader|pdf-viewer | 20:04 |
asac | i somehoe lost it :( | 20:05 |
fta | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/272772 | 20:05 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 272772 in ubufox "packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package) must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser" [High,Fix committed] | 20:05 |
asac | fta: i think editing the whitespaces would be nice ;) | 20:05 |
fta | i did | 20:05 |
asac | unifying :) i mean :) | 20:05 |
asac | huh? | 20:05 |
asac | ok | 20:06 |
fta | pushed | 20:07 |
asac | \o/ | 20:07 |
asac | lets see ;) | 20:07 |
asac | fta: looks good | 20:08 |
asac | i mean the latest script | 20:08 |
asac | i tried with all-in-one-sidebar | 20:08 |
asac | fta: hmm. i think a "checkout" would make sense | 20:08 |
gnomefreak | anyone know who Yaroslav Halchenko is? | 20:09 |
asac | now that i see it ;) | 20:09 |
asac | but i can change that i guess | 20:09 |
asac | fta: hmm ... you do bzr commit in some cases | 20:09 |
asac | when is that? | 20:09 |
asac | ah ok when its not a branch ;) | 20:09 |
fta | the initial commit of my fake branch | 20:10 |
asac | fta: the output how to commit doesnt have the line feeds | 20:10 |
asac | bzr commit -m "* RELEASE 0.7.4-0ubuntu2 to ubuntu/intrepid\n* fix LP: #272772: packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package)\n must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser\n - update debian/control" | 20:10 |
asac | i think we dont need to escape them? | 20:10 |
fta | it does if you copy paste this line | 20:10 |
fta | that's idea | 20:11 |
fta | did you try it ? | 20:11 |
asac | fta: you can alos just copy and paste multi line, cant you? | 20:11 |
fta | subject: [ubuntu/intrepid] xfig 1:3.2.5-rel-2ubuntu2 (Accepted) | 20:11 |
asac | works for me | 20:11 |
fta | i'm using tcsh | 20:12 |
asac | fta: works good here | 20:12 |
asac | hmm | 20:12 |
fta | but i write my scrits in pure sh | 20:12 |
gnomefreak | thats why we use bash ;) it just works | 20:12 |
fta | scripts | 20:12 |
fta | bash is evil | 20:13 |
gnomefreak | its a smart version of tcsh | 20:13 |
Nafallo | huh? | 20:13 |
fta | \o/ https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds | 20:13 |
Nafallo | we've moved to dash? :-) | 20:13 |
fta | bash != tcsh | 20:13 |
gnomefreak | afaik pre vim its not a smart term | 20:14 |
gnomefreak | s/pre/per | 20:14 |
asac | fta: ok. lets use checkout and remove the bzr push instruction | 20:14 |
asac | that should be fine i guess | 20:14 |
fta | tcsh is an advanced version of csh, bash is an evil ksh itself an advanced version of sh | 20:14 |
gnomefreak | its been a while since i read up on vi and frieds | 20:14 |
asac | fta: oh shit | 20:15 |
asac | fta: we need to replace http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ and code.launchpad.net with lp: | 20:15 |
fta | gnomefreak, tcsh is my main shell since ~94, habits are difficult to break | 20:15 |
fta | asac, where? | 20:15 |
asac | fta: in order to use checkout ;) | 20:16 |
asac | but i am using what you suggest now | 20:16 |
gnomefreak | ah see i only used it for a month or 2 and could never get used to it | 20:16 |
asac | this isnt really worth investing much time i think ;) | 20:16 |
fta | but maybe i should use bzr+ssh too | 20:16 |
asac | fta: actually: the instructions should read: | 20:17 |
asac | debcommit | 20:17 |
asac | bzr push | 20:17 |
asac | that will automatically do the --fixes and stuff like that | 20:17 |
asac | try | 20:17 |
asac | ;) | 20:17 |
fta | what plugin is that? | 20:17 |
asac | fta: thats not a plugin. debcommit is in devtools i think | 20:17 |
asac | and knows about debian changelogs | 20:17 |
asac | just try to run that | 20:18 |
asac | --fixes is a plain bzr feature | 20:18 |
asac | i think ;) | 20:18 |
gnomefreak | i dont think so i think its a bzr tool | 20:18 |
gnomefreak | oh nevermind | 20:18 |
asac | fta: we still need to replace http... with something writable ... preferably lp: | 20:18 |
gnomefreak | that is supported | 20:18 |
asac | bzr push https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/firefox-extensions/all-in-one-sidebar.ubuntu/ | 20:18 |
asac | wont work | 20:18 |
asac | i do that manually now | 20:18 |
asac | its ok | 20:18 |
fta | i feel nervous about testing that with my first few uploads | 20:18 |
gnomefreak | its in devscripts from what man page says | 20:19 |
asac | fta: yeah ;) | 20:20 |
asac | fta: testing what? debcommit? | 20:20 |
asac | fta: you can use debcommit -e ... that opens editor with commit message which you can still abort | 20:20 |
asac | fta: i wouldnt sugest to auto dput ;) ... you can review the outcome | 20:21 |
fta | yeah | 20:21 |
asac | hmm | 20:21 |
asac | fta: maybe we should also do a test binary rebuild | 20:21 |
asac | sometimes packages never get rebuild for long time and start to rot | 20:22 |
fta | i do here. i have my bzr aliases for that | 20:22 |
fta | lp is slow for that bug | 20:23 |
asac | fta: yeah ;) | 20:25 |
fta | asac, i've fixed the script for the instructions => 0.05 | 20:25 |
asac | massive-multi-package bugs appear not to scale :) | 20:25 |
asac | fta: hmm ... debcommit doesnt in clude the RELEASE line obviously | 20:32 |
asac | now i know why i added that to changelog for a few uploads ;) | 20:32 |
asac | well ;) | 20:32 |
fta | oh, and my commit is ugly too | 20:33 |
asac | hmm ... i got File all-in-one-sidebar_0.7.4-0ubuntu2.diff.gz already exists in Primary Archive for Ubuntu, | 20:33 |
asac | +but uploaded version has different contents. See more information about this error in | 20:33 |
asac | +https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/UploadErrors. | 20:33 |
asac | did i upload twice or what? | 20:33 |
asac | or did you ? | 20:33 |
asac | hmm | 20:34 |
asac | someone uploaded all-in-one-sidebar without committing to bzr or what?= | 20:34 |
fta | not me | 20:35 |
asac | emgent :( | 20:35 |
asac | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/all-in-one-sidebar | 20:35 |
asac | quite a senseless upload i guess | 20:37 |
asac | fta: maybe adding a check whether the bzr version is still the ubuntu version would help :( | 20:41 |
fta | multiline commit logs are a pain for scripts | 20:41 |
asac | maybe we should run that regularly to detect "wrong" uploads | 20:41 |
asac | fta: debcommit usually does that quite well | 20:42 |
asac | or do you mean bzr? | 20:42 |
asac | ok fixed all-in-one-sidebar branch :( | 20:43 |
asac | and uploaded that ... finally | 20:43 |
fta | asac, script 0.06 with the multiline commit and the test | 20:54 |
asac | fta: yeah. i take a break now ;) | 20:55 |
fta | my dput is stuck | 20:55 |
asac | ok doing one more | 20:56 |
fta | should i interrupt ? | 20:56 |
asac | firefox-sage | 20:56 |
asac | fta: dput? | 20:56 |
fta | yep | 20:56 |
asac | usualyl it will go on at some point | 20:56 |
asac | unless you had a reconnect | 20:56 |
fta | it's stuck at Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com): | 20:56 |
asac | if nothing happes you can interrupt and reupload (but only in ubuntu .. .debian is more painful) | 20:56 |
asac | fta: at the end off uplod? | 20:57 |
fta | no, next reco is at 3am | 20:57 |
fta | Good signature on /src/tmp/abrowser-transition/work/ctxextensions/ppa/ctxextensions_4.1.2008062001-0ubuntu2.dsc. | 20:57 |
fta | Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com): | 20:57 |
fta | 20:57 | |
fta | then nada | 20:57 |
asac | hmm | 20:57 |
asac | yeah | 20:57 |
asac | well | 20:57 |
asac | not sure ;) | 20:57 |
asac | hjave you edited your dput.cf manually? maybe you didnt get some upgrade? | 20:58 |
asac | but you can certainly retry | 20:58 |
fta | no, the 1st 3 uploads were fine | 20:58 |
asac | then ... retry. | 20:58 |
fta | ok, ctrl c + retry seems fine | 20:59 |
mdke | in relation to bug 272772, I see a task has been opened on ubuntu-docs | 21:14 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 272772 in xfig "packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package) must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272772 | 21:14 |
mdke | I guess that's because ubuntu-serverguide suggests firefox. It should really suggest any browser, is there an appropriate meta-package for that? | 21:14 |
RainCT | mdke: www-browser? | 21:16 |
mdke | RainCT: I don't see that package in apt-cache... | 21:16 |
RainCT | mdke: it's virtual | 21:16 |
mdke | is there any way I can see what it includes? | 21:17 |
RainCT | mdke: Best ask asac. I only know that firefox, seamonkey-browser and midbrowser provide it | 21:18 |
mdke | well, w3m provides it too, and that's the basic browser included in ubuntu-standard, so that's enough for me :) | 21:19 |
mdke | thanks RainCT | 21:19 |
RainCT | np :) | 21:20 |
fta | asac, oh, i forgot to tell you, the script expect a src package name, so for ex, gcjwebplugin will not work, it should be classpath | 21:20 |
pwnguin | this might sound crazy, but is anyone keeping a ppa of firefox 3.1 alpha/betas? | 21:23 |
fta | i do | 21:23 |
fta | pwnguin, https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive | 21:24 |
pwnguin | yea i see it now ;) | 21:24 |
fta | fresh as of today | 21:24 |
pwnguin | i tried a tarball and it seems to prefer the 3.0 package over the local dir | 21:25 |
fta | ? | 21:25 |
pwnguin | a nightly build of firefox | 21:26 |
fta | i don't understand, what seems to prefer 3.0 ? | 21:27 |
pwnguin | the script in the tarball | 21:27 |
pwnguin | i just untarred the bz2 and ran the script; it seemed to abrowser version 3.0.something | 21:28 |
fta | it should not use any of our packages | 21:29 |
pwnguin | maybe im not supposed to run it like that; i donno | 21:31 |
pwnguin | anyways, the ppa works so I'm happy | 21:31 |
pwnguin | hmm. looks like the video tag works, but just barely | 21:32 |
fta | it works fine if you don't have issues with p-a & alsa | 21:33 |
pwnguin | i mean cpu wise | 21:33 |
pwnguin | and start / end offsets | 21:34 |
fta | it uses almost no cpu here, compared to flash, it's refreshing | 21:35 |
pwnguin | it's using like one whole core here =( | 21:38 |
fta | url ? | 21:38 |
pwnguin | http://people.xiph.org/~maikmerten/demos/arctic_giant.html | 21:38 |
fta | hm, indeed | 21:40 |
pwnguin | well, what the heck were you testing on? | 21:40 |
fta | http://www.double.co.nz/video_test/ | 21:41 |
pwnguin | strange | 21:41 |
pwnguin | oh | 21:41 |
pwnguin | loaded it in the wrong browser =/ | 21:43 |
fta | asac, http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17798304/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-amd64.classpath_2%3A0.96.1-1ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 21:44 |
pwnguin | fta: honestly, im writing a blog post about the video tag, and i thought i'd cite an ogg video but it seems like playback is high CPU and the offsets arent supported =/ | 21:52 |
fta | pwnguin, this one is working just fine for me: http://people.opera.com/howcome/2007/video/controls.html | 21:55 |
mdke | fta: just to let you know, I've unassigned you from the ubuntu-docs task on bug 272772 and uploaded a fix myself to our bzr branch, saves you getting it | 21:56 |
ubottu | Launchpad bug 272772 in xfig "packages that Depend/Recommend/Suggest firefox (meta-package) must alternatively Depend/Recommend/Suggest abrowser" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272772 | 21:56 |
fta | mdke, ok, thanks | 21:56 |
pwnguin | fta: actually, that ran really fast for me, but it's kinda crap quality. | 21:59 |
fta | maybe try locally with an ogg of yours, see if it's not a buffering/network issue | 22:00 |
pwnguin | what i mean is, the video itself isn't demanding enough to demonstrate inefficient playback | 22:02 |
asac | fta: yeah ... missing usage of returned value | 22:13 |
asac | either hack it or fix it ;) | 22:13 |
fta | asac, ? | 22:13 |
fta | the java mess ? | 22:13 |
fta | i have no idea what's going on there, i hate java, i should have reassigned that one to you, i know you like it :) | 22:14 |
fta | asac, going up in http://thc.emanuele-gentili.com/utu/utu_intrepid.php :) | 22:15 |
fta | taking a break, i have 6 left | 22:18 |
fta | mediatomb didn't work, no accept, no reject, no build, no nothing | 22:23 |
asac | fta: its a C problem ;) | 22:25 |
asac | fta: might take a while until you get an accepted ;) | 22:25 |
fta | got the other ones within a few seconds | 22:29 |
fta | maybe the -3 => -3ubuntu0 instead of -3ubuntu1 ? | 22:30 |
fta | asac, is this a C issue? http://paste.ubuntu.com/49070/ | 22:36 |
fta | Jazzva, is torbutton usable with ff3 ? | 23:01 |
fta | -Depends: iceweasel (>= 2.0.0.3-1) | firefox (>= 2.0.0.3-1) | icedove (>= 1.5.0.10.dfsg1-3) | thunderbird (>= 1.5.0.10.dfsg1-3) | 23:01 |
Jazzva | fta, I think I tested it, and it worked... | 23:01 |
Jazzva | Was it synced from debian? | 23:01 |
fta | torbutton (1.0.4-3ubuntu1) intrepid; urgency=low | 23:02 |
fta | 23:02 | |
fta | * Merge from Debian unstable. (LP: #226287) | 23:02 |
fta | bug 226287 | 23:02 |
Jazzva | yeah, that's probably it. I think it had firefox-3 before | 23:02 |
Jazzva | hmm, no. that's not it. I just looked into changelog | 23:04 |
fta | ? i just pushed it | 23:04 |
Jazzva | bug 247867... that's where I got the compatibility info | 23:05 |
Jazzva | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/torbutton/+bug/247867 | 23:06 |
Jazzva | I acked the diff, but no one looked after | 23:06 |
Jazzva | (the u-u-s team) | 23:06 |
fta | Jazzva, hm, the depend is ok, do you mean the debdiff has been ignored but part of it arrived later? or what? | 23:09 |
Jazzva | no, I think this | 23:09 |
Jazzva | Unsubscribing u-u-s, pending an ack from Mozilla Extensions Team. (Big) David, resubscribe u-u-s once acked. ;) | 23:09 |
Jazzva | comment #2 | 23:09 |
Jazzva | and then he resubscribed u-u-s, but I think no one looked at it | 23:09 |
fta | then it's still in the list | 23:13 |
fta | let me check | 23:13 |
fta | indeed it is and still unassigned | 23:14 |
fta | http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ | 23:14 |
fta | asac, 0.07 | 23:15 |
fta | asac, i've committed the script in the mozilla-devtools branch, maybe it could be reused for the next mass upload | 23:57 |
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