[00:40] <charlie-tca> Anyone else having issues getting Intrepid Alpha 6 to connect using static IP addresses?
[00:41] <Odd-rationale> charlie-tca: try #ubuntu+1 the official channel for 8.10
[00:41] <charlie-tca> Thanks :)
[00:41] <Odd-rationale> np
[02:14] <nubuntu> anybody know how i might get at the bios settings on this old compaq 2870b series laptop?  only four returns on a google search, none relevant
[02:16] <favro> I have to press F10 to get to the bios on an old compaq desktop
[02:17] <charlie-tca> I have uses F10 and one uses F11
[02:55] <Roland-> hey, question: how do I set nr of workspaces? I have only 2 and I need 4 or 6 for the cube
[02:56] <Odd-rationale> Roland-: workspaces for xfce? or for compiz?
[02:56] <Odd-rationale> they are set up in different places...
[02:56] <Odd-rationale> for xfce, go to Applications --> settings --> workspace settings
[02:57] <Roland-> cannot see workspace settings
[02:57] <Genelyk> aplications-configuration-administ configuration
[02:57] <Genelyk> top left
[02:57] <Roland-> is something I have to install?
[02:58] <Odd-rationale> for compiz, first be sure you have compizconfig-settings-manager installed, then go to Applications --> settings --> compixconfig settings manager --> Generall Options --> Desktop size. then chage the horizontal to 4, vertial to 1, and no of desktops to 1.
[02:58] <Roland-> perfect thank you
[02:59] <Roland-> still how do I use the whole cube?
[02:59] <Roland-> the down and up face is empty
[02:59] <Odd-rationale> Roland-: you cant...
[02:59] <Roland-> and I saw some screenshots with a desk there too
[02:59] <Odd-rationale> Roland-: you can put some cube caps though...
[03:00] <Odd-rationale> but you can't actually use them as a desktop...
[03:00] <Roland-> that is nice I just want to replace that orange bg
[03:01] <Roland-> http://www.23hq.com/Vincentt/photo/2573228/standard can somebody please what module provides that mac_look_like down menu ?
[03:02] <Odd-rationale> i think that is awn
[03:02] <Odd-rationale> !awn
[03:03] <Roland-> thank you
[03:03] <Odd-rationale> but you could also make xfce4-panel look similar, but not as fancy... ;)
[03:03] <Roland-> that one looks fancyu tome
[03:03] <Roland-> :>
[03:06] <Roland-> where are all icon files located
[03:06] <Roland-> ?
[03:07] <charlie-tca> most of them are in /usr/share/icons
[03:14] <Roland-> awn is sure buggy
[03:52] <Roland-> hey. I am trying to make an xfce menu shortcut, what is the command line for it
[03:55] <favro> try   xfce4-menu
[04:51] <jika-bun> my abiword processor is crashing a lot. do you guys have any alternative to it to work as a word processor? something alternative to openoffice if possible
[04:55] <favro> jika-bun: it might be easier to fix abiword - if you start it from terminal it will show errors
[04:56] <jika-bun> ok favro, i will do it to see if i can fix it. but do you have any in mind? just in case i need.
[04:57] <favro> jika-bun: use nano for that sort of thing - command line
[04:57] <favro> *I use
[04:58] <jika-bun> to write university researchs? you're a hero. :P
[04:58] <favro> I don't write uni researchs obviously :)
[05:01] <jika-bun> well that explained :)
[05:01] <jika-bun> i will try fixing it then
[05:01] <jika-bun> thank you
[05:14] <kriel> If I manually set up my wireless connection using iwconfig and dhclient; the [network manager thingy in the top right] dosen't recognize that I'm connected, and therefore blocks all of my internet-using programs [like pidgin and firefox] because it dosen't have a connection.
[05:14] <kriel> So, is there a way to either make it recognize that I did it manually; or to just turn it off and let my programs through?
[05:14] <gaurdro> can you ping out when you do it manually?
[05:15] <kriel> pinging works. But the network manager mabob still says i'm d/c
[05:19] <gaurdro> don't blame me if it breaks something but you could try killall nm-applet
[05:20] <kriel> may brb, playing with my network connection
[05:21] <kriel> alright, so that much worked..
[05:21] <kriel> now, to find where it starts nm-applet at..
[06:03] <djohngo> Greettings ladies and gents.
[06:04] <djohngo> A slightly dim newbie here trying to figure out how to do a text-only install
[06:04] <djohngo> Do any of you have the URL that explains how to do it handy?
[06:19] <cody-somerville> sure
[06:19] <cody-somerville> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation#Installation%20using%20the%20Alternate%20CD
[06:30] <djohngo> cody-somerville: Than you so much! I am in your debt.
[06:31] <cody-somerville> no problem
[06:52] <jika-bun> i'm searching for a office different than openoffice to install, someone has a suggestion?
[06:59] <TrailWhisperer> You could look up gnome office. it's a collection of lighter weight offices apps (not a standalone) that are not too bad. Not sure about the gnome dependencies though.
[07:01] <TrailWhisperer> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeOffice
[07:09] <jika-bun> TrailWhisperer, i'll take a look, thank you
[09:29] <loswillios> hi guys
[09:29] <loswillios> I recently upgraded my fathers PC from 7.10 to 8.04 (which went really smooth btw)
[09:30] <loswillios> but now it asks for a password when I want to shutdown the system (from the log-out dialog)
[09:31] <loswillios> I am in a lot of groups already (including powerdev) but it didn't help
[09:37] <favro> loswillios: a workaround is to logout and select shutdown from the options menu
[09:38] <favro> I've seen a couple of people mention having that issue but it isn't common afaik
[09:39] <favro> another workaround would be to add the user to the sudoers file for shutdown
[09:39] <favro> then the shutdown button should work like normal
[09:44] <loswillios> ok
[09:44] <phlack> hi, im wondering can anyone help me, im trying to change the login message when i log in with ssh
[09:44] <phlack> can anyone tell me where that message is located?
[09:45] <loswillios> favro: shutdown, halt and reboot are already added with NOPASSWD
[09:45] <favro> ohh
[09:46] <loswillios> favro: I can't logout though, cause I don't have a DM started. the system is booting straight into X
[09:47] <loswillios> phlack: /etc/motd
[09:47] <favro> loswillios: is a paasword asked for with   sudo shutdown -h now?
[09:47] <phlack> thanks loswillios
[09:47] <favro> if not make a launcher for it
[09:47] <loswillios> hm, yeah. I wonder why
[09:48] <loswillios> let me recheck sudoers
[09:48] <favro> I don't know where the issue stems from so am thinking about workarounds
[09:50] <loswillios> weird. sudoers is exactly the same on my other systems where it works (no ubuntu though)
[09:50] <loswillios> christian       ALL=NOPASSWD: /sbin/shutdown, /sbin/halt, /sbin/reboot
[09:50] <favro> what's the line in /etc/sudoers for shutdown?
[09:50] <favro> k
[09:51] <loswillios> how to make a launcher?
[09:52] <loswillios> ah got it
[09:52] <favro> right click the panel select add and from the menu launcher
[09:52] <loswillios> misunderstood you. yeah, doesn't help because sudo fscks up somehow
[09:53] <favro> but if it asks for a password a launcher won't work
[09:54] <loswillios> weird stuff
[09:54] <favro> yes
[09:59] <favro> loswillios: what does   ls -l /etc/sudoers   return?
[10:11] <loswillios> favro: -r--r----- 1 root root 468 2008-09-21 10:53 /etc/sudoers
[10:12] <favro> loswillios: well that is how it should be
[10:12] <favro> I thought it might have read access borked
[13:44] <nubuntu> For all you developer types, the title of a story in my ScienceDaily.com eletter this morning is: Easier-to-hit 'Targets' Could Help Older People Make The Most Of Computers (September 20, 2008) -- Older people could make better use of computers if icons, links and menu headings automatically grew bigger as the cursor moves towards them. ...
[13:50] <vidd> nubuntu, link please?
[13:52] <nubuntu> vidd, hold on i go get it
[13:52] <vidd> ty'
[13:52] <nubuntu> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080911111524.htm
[14:04] <Roland-> hey, any ideas how can I make the jack configuration work on an sony vaio ?
[14:05] <vidd> jack configuration?
[14:05] <Roland-> yes well if I plug in earphones nothing is happening
[14:05] <vidd> does the system sound go out?
[14:06] <Roland-> yes
[14:06] <Roland-> using alsa
[14:06] <vidd> ok....then just unmute the headphones in the volume manager
[14:07] <vidd> its called "phone"
[14:07] <Roland-> unmute headphones in volume manager
[14:07] <Roland-> I only have pcm and master volume there
[14:08] <vidd> right-click the volume manager icon on your panel and choose "properties"
[14:09] <vidd> what choices do you have listed for Devices?
[14:09] <vidd> if you dont have the volume manager applet, run xfce4-mixer in terminal
[14:10] <Roland-> only master and pcm...
[14:11] <vidd> please RIGHT click and choose "Properties" ... or run  xfce4-mixer
[14:12] <Roland-> ok time for a screenshot
[14:12] <vidd> with xfce4-mixer open, what choices do you have in the drop down box "Devices"?
[14:14] <vidd> Roland-, did you open xfce4-mixer?
[14:14] <Roland-> http://www.zshare.net/image/19152992ae0a4801/
[14:15] <Roland-> http://www.zshare.net/image/19153018bac1a8f3/
[14:15] <Roland-> see?
[14:16] <vidd> what does lspci tell you that your sound card is?
[14:19] <Roland-> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[14:19] <Roland-> also the sound works fine I can listen to music play movies and so on
[14:20] <vidd> Roland-, yeah....you just dont have headphone capability
[14:20] <vonderer> hello there. Is there anyway to disable screensaver in xubuntu? I've switched it off in the settings, but it is still shown.
[14:21] <Roland-> worked fine on windows
[14:21] <Roland-> :P
[14:21] <vonderer> hello there. Is there anyway to disable screensaver in xubuntu? I've switched it off in the settings, but it is still shown.
[14:22] <vidd> in the device drop-down, select #0: 82801H
[14:22] <vidd> vonderer, off or gone?
[14:23] <vonderer> vidd: sorry, I don't quite get the question ^^
[14:24] <vidd> vonderer, do you want the screensaver uninstalled or disabled?
[14:24] <vonderer> disabled
[14:29] <vonderer> vidd:
[14:30] <vidd> this a laptop or desktop?
[14:30] <vonderer> desktop
[14:31] <vidd> do you have power management set to never put the computer or display to sleep?
[14:31] <vonderer> I've already killed xscreensaver, but is there a way to prevent it from being loaded?
[14:32] <vonderer> vidd: yes, i have
[14:32] <nubuntu> i have a problem thats driving me crazy, whenever i follow links to news stories on my panama newspaper it slows my computer down to nothing..  would it be possible for someeone to understandd why by looking at a page3?  herees one: http://prensa.com/t.asp?d=080921h1527734
[14:32] <vidd> vonderer, to prevent it from loading? uninstall it
[14:32] <vidd> but anyway....
[14:33] <vidd> do you have the checkboxes "Activate screensaver..." unchecked?
[14:33] <vonderer> of course
[14:33] <vonderer> I've done that first, but it seemed to have no effect
[14:33] <vidd> and where is the idle slider @?
[14:34] <vonderer> 2 hours
[14:34] <vidd> how long does it take for your screensaver to pop up?
[14:34] <vonderer> much less, than 2 hours, maybe 10~20 minutes
[14:35] <vidd> then you have a second screen saver app installed
[14:35] <vonderer> maybe problem in GNOME services? I've installed xubuntu-desktop over my ubuntu
[14:35] <vidd> most like
[14:36] <vidd> ubuntu uses gnome screensave IIRC
[14:36] <vonderer> strange. when I open gnome-screensaver-preferences, I get my xfce4 screensaver setup dialogue
[14:37] <vonderer> where screensaver is disabled and time is set to 2 hours
[14:37] <vidd> and what happens when you open xsceensaver?
[14:37] <vonderer> ahh, here it is
[14:38] <vidd> 2 screen saver apps?
[14:38] <vonderer> I tried it before, but it said I'd already had it running
[14:38] <vonderer> xscreensaver has other settings, and it is enabled
[14:38] <vonderer> thanks ^^
[14:38] <vidd> no problem
[14:42] <vonderer> There is another problem. Not long ago, I've bought a new mouse, and set it up with evdev. The problem is that when X server starts and the mouse is still, mouse becomes turned off soon after startup. But if I move it around during loading, everything's ok.
[14:44] <vonderer> Is there any way to fix it?
[14:45] <vidd> sure....load the mouse settings after X
[14:46] <vonderer> how can I do that?
[14:46] <vidd> not sure what evdev is, or why you need it....but X is overwritting it
[14:46] <vonderer> hmm. my mouse has 5 buttons
[14:46] <vidd> why on earth would someone need 5 mouse buttons?
[14:46] <vonderer> I needed evdev to make 4th and 5th work :)
[14:47] <vidd> remove the evdev, reboot, and set evdev to load in your autostarted applications
[14:48] <vidd> this way, evdev settings are loaded after x settings
[14:48] <vonderer> evdev is a driver
[14:48] <vonderer> Section "InputDevice"
[14:48] <vonderer>     Identifier     "Configured Mouse"
[14:48] <vonderer>     Driver         "evdev"
[14:48] <vonderer>     Option         "CorePointer"
[14:48] <vonderer>     Option         "Device" "/dev/input/event9"
[14:48] <vonderer> EndSection
[14:48] <vonderer> that's from my xorg.conf
[14:49] <vidd> pastebin your entire xorg.conf for me?
[14:49] <vinnl> !paste
[14:49] <vonderer> ok. sure
[14:53] <vonderer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/48907/
[14:53] <vidd> so vonderer where is the link?
[14:53] <vidd> disregard
[14:54] <vidd> try uncomenting line 62
[14:55] <vidd> and do you have more then one maouse installed?
[14:55] <vonderer> no, I don't
[14:56] <vonderer> tried line 62, It didn't work out, so I commented it again
[14:56] <vidd> then im out of ideas
[14:57] <vonderer> thanks anyway :)
[14:57] <vidd> unless, perhaps you uncomment lines 47-55
[14:57] <vonderer> you mean, use usual mouse driver instead of evdev?
[14:57] <vidd> no...use both
[14:58] <vonderer> interesting :) I'll try that later, thanks
[14:58] <vidd> this way you at least have 3-button if all else fails
[14:58] <vidd> =]
[14:58] <vonderer> bye :)
[14:59] <vidd> i still dont understand why anyone would need 5 buttons on a mouse
[15:35] <forces> how can I install compiz in xubuntu 8.04.1?
[15:35] <vinnl> forces, just by installing it
[15:36] <vinnl> forces, if you want to make sure you're doing OK, Google a tutorial :)
[15:36] <vinnl> (Which I'm not saying because I know mine is the first hit ;-)
[15:43] <vidd> vinnl, just post 'em a link! =]
[15:43] <vinnl> :P
[15:43] <vinnl> http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/xubuntu-compiz-pretty-pretty-xubuntu/
[15:44] <vidd> your stuff is top notch anyway.....why leave the poor sap to chance he spells something wrong and ends up with a poor, super mispelled tut that dont work =]
[15:44] <vinnl> Thanks ^.^
[16:11] <Mannequi1> hi. my computer totally freezeed yesterday. It's not the first time, but i think a few times happened while I were watching a movie using VLC
[16:12] <Mannequi1> I had to hard reboot it, because ctrl+alt+ F1 (or any other) didn't work at all
[16:12] <Mannequi1> is there any log i should look to see if there is something logged about what happened?
[16:15] <vidd> Mannequi1, did you launch vlc from a terminal?
[16:15] <Mannequi1> vidd: no
[16:15] <vidd> try launching from a terminal....
[16:16] <vidd> if it freezes again, ctl+c in terminal will kill it
[16:16] <vidd> plus the app will display info in the terminal that launched it
[16:17] <vidd> you should be able to scroll thru the terminal output to see the error
[16:17] <vidd> personally....i suspect a ram issue
[16:20] <vidd> also....logs are found in /var/log
[16:20] <vidd> dont know what log you might want to review though
[16:39] <jika-bun> does abiword recgonize docx documents?
[16:40] <vinnl> jika-bun, not the version in Xubuntu
[16:40] <vinnl> Not sure about the newest version
[16:41] <jika-bun> hmm, ok then, for a moment i thought it was a bug here
[16:41] <jika-bun> thank you :)
[16:41] <vinnl> np :)
[16:41] <vinnl> Ah, yay
[16:41] <vinnl> The new Abiword is in Xubuntu 8.10 :)
[16:42] <jika-bun> hmm, nice! i'll be expecting it then!
[16:43] <vinnl>  > AbiWord now has good compliance with Microsoft's OOXML format but it can be improved.
[16:43] <vidd> OOo beats abiword hands down every time
[16:43] <vinnl> vidd, not on speed ^.^
[16:43] <vinnl>  > Currently, AbiWord has an importer, but no exporter.Currently, AbiWord has an importer, but no exporter.
[16:44] <vidd> speed isnt everything
[16:44] <vinnl> And integration
[16:44] <vidd> if i need speed, i open mousepad
[16:44] <vinnl> So when you're not working with complex documents, abiword rocks
[16:45] <vidd> if im not working with complex documents, abiword is bloat
[16:45] <vinnl> Everybody has his own preference ;-)
[16:45] <vidd> which is what make linux so great!
[16:45] <vinnl> I love Abiword for non-complex, non-plaintext documents, which is about all I use ;-)
[16:45] <vinnl> vidd, exactly :)
[16:46] <vidd> everyone's preferences are easily handled
[16:46] <vinnl> Well, not Linuix
[16:46] <vinnl> More open source :)
[16:46] <vidd> point taken
[16:46] <vidd> non-plaintext?
[16:46] <vinnl> i.e. with images :)
[16:47] <vidd> ah....nothing i do
[16:47] <vinnl> ^.^
[16:49] <jika-bun> well, i'm using it to a university research :D
[16:49] <jika-bun> and its good enough for me, i guess
[16:50]  * vinnl can't wait to try Abiword's new collaboration features
[16:51] <vinnl> Anyway, I'm off, bye
[17:08] <kriel> 'killall nm-applet' 'iwconfig wlan0 essid myssid enc mykey ap any' 'dhclient wlan0' and I can ping out, right? But when I start up (pidgin|firefox) it dosen't think it's connected. FF is in 'offline mode' and pidgin says 'waiting for connection'
[17:09] <vidd> kriel, huh????
[17:15] <Myrtti> kriel: that's quite normal because avahi can't handle commandline connection handshakes
[17:36] <kriel> Myrtti: (sorry for the lag) Okay, is there a way to make it, or do I just have to suck it up and use nm-applet?
[17:36] <Myrtti> pidgin and firefox should work fine if you tick them to online mode
[17:37] <Myrtti> there was some trick to make them ignore avahi
[17:41] <kriel> I couldn't find said tickbox for pidgin
[17:50] <Myrtti> and I can't find the howto I followed
[18:02] <kriel> Okay, that's fine.
[18:02] <kriel> Now I know what I need to look for that's making the error, though. [avahi]. Thank you.
[19:17] <Roland-> hey, how do I set xubuntu to start in text mode by default, not x
[20:12] <IronJan> in xfce there are the options window: "focus on click" and "focus on mouseover". is there any similar for taskbar? when you hover over an "window button" the window is opened?
[20:12] <vinnl> Not that I'm aware of
[20:14] <IronJan> is there the possibility to make a suggestion to the xfce-team?
[20:14] <vinnl> Yeah
[20:14] <vinnl> IronJan, http://bugzilla.xfce.org/
[20:14] <IronJan> vinnl: thanks a lot
[20:15] <vinnl> np :)
[20:52] <jo1> newbie needs help!
[20:52] <vidd> yes they do....
[20:52] <vidd> what can i do for them?
[20:52] <vidd> =]
[20:52] <jo1> ha, thanks
[20:52] <jo1> well, i am brand new to ubuntu
[20:52] <vidd> ubuntu or Xubuntu?
[20:52] <jo1> and am running a ibook g3 900
[20:53] <jo1> xubuntu sorry
[20:53] <vidd> np...id still help =]
[20:53] <jo1> so, i am using the live cd right now, however, when I run the installer from the desktop, the install fails
[20:54] <vidd> is the 3g PPC ach or intel arch?
[20:54] <jo1> says the mirror failed or something
[20:54] <jo1> ppc
[20:54] <Odd-rationale> !ppc
[20:54] <vidd> jol you have the wrong instalation disk
[20:55] <jo1> the live disk runs fine
[20:55] <vidd> yes...and it will
[20:55] <Odd-rationale> jo1: that is because it loads into ram... :D
[20:55] <jo1> what install should I be using?
[20:55] <vidd> the install, however needs to be PPC arch
[20:55] <vidd> see the wiki link Odd-rationale posted
[20:56] <jo1> I searched and thought that I d/l the ppc
[20:56] <Odd-rationale> jo1: see the link above...
[20:56] <vidd> well...the bot =]
[20:56] <jo1> i've read all the *buntu stuff on ppc and it doesn't support newer releases, but others say that it works fine
[20:57] <vinnl> It supports it unofficially
[20:57] <vidd> jo1, think of it this way....
[20:57] <vidd> you have a leadded gas machine...
[20:57] <vidd> you are trying to use unleaded gas
[20:57] <jo1> i've even tried to install ubuntu 6.06 the last supported release and the screen goes black
[20:58] <vidd> get the ppc version of 6.6
[20:58] <jo1> did that
[20:58] <jo1> also did kubuntu
[20:58] <vidd> do the alt install of it
[20:58] <vidd> not the live install
[20:58] <jo1> i don't know enough linux to use alt install no gui
[20:59] <jika-bun> i'm having big problems installing a flash player to xubuntu
[20:59] <jo1> like i said noob
[20:59] <vidd> pfft....the alt install is more intuitive IMHO
[20:59] <Odd-rationale> jo1: it is really not that different... if you have another machine to chat, we can help you if you have any questions...
[20:59] <Odd-rationale> jika-bun: sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree doesn't work?
[21:00] <vidd> stick in disk, enter 5 times, pick username, password, enter 3 more times, reboot, enjoy
[21:00] <Odd-rationale> vidd: wow, you memeorized that part pretty good... :D
[21:00] <vinnl> vidd's been through it a lot I suppose ;-)
[21:00] <vidd> ive done it enough times
[21:01] <vidd> just dont do the auto-detect keyboard....choose manually
[21:01] <jika-bun> Odd-rationale, it shows some problems, i'll do pastebin, wait up
[21:01] <vinnl> Not with the MD5 sum I hope...
[21:01] <vinnl> !flash
[21:04] <jika-bun> Odd-rationale: http://paste.ubuntu.com/49054/
[21:06] <vinnl> jika-bun, are you retrieving it from an external software source?
[21:06] <vinnl> It says Flash Player 10 (10.0.12.10ubuntu1~ppa3)
[21:07] <jika-bun> well, not really, i did apt-get
[21:07] <Odd-rationale> jika-bun: have you done "sudo apt-get update" lately?
[21:07] <jika-bun> maybe because mine is x64?
[21:07] <vinnl> But apparently one of your repositories offers it
[21:07] <Odd-rationale> jika-bun: is this 64 bit?
[21:07] <vinnl> Ah
[21:07] <jika-bun> yes
[21:08] <Odd-rationale> jika-bun: i think the link above given by ubottu tells how to do flash on 64 bit...
[21:08] <Odd-rationale> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash
[21:09] <jika-bun> hmmm ok i'll read it ;)
[21:09] <jika-bun> thank!
[21:18] <DasYogi> howdy
[21:18] <Odd-rationale> !hi | DasYogi
[21:18] <DasYogi> thanks guys...hae a quick question about dual booting xubuntu and debian....
[21:18] <DasYogi> is this the right plae?
[21:18] <DasYogi> meant place
[21:18] <vinnl> Sure
[21:19] <DasYogi> sweet...I already have xubuntu installed and have about 20 gb free space...was thinking to install debian there...should I create a partition space before installation or have debian guid me through it...also, do I have to modify grub?
[21:20] <Odd-rationale> DasYogi: either way would work. and yes, you will have to modify grub...
[21:20] <vinnl> Ah, if you're going to install Debian afterwards you might be better off in #debian, but I'm quite sure Debian will be able to choose an existing partition
[21:20] <vinnl> (Though 20 GB isn't that much)
[21:21] <jika-bun> well that worked
[21:22] <jika-bun> thank you vinnl and Odd-rationale
[21:22] <jika-bun> :)
[21:22] <Odd-rationale> np
[21:22] <DasYogi> thanks vinni...heading to #debian
[21:27] <tatofoo> is it just me or fonts <= size 10 in xfce terminal doesn't have aliasing/hinting?
[21:30] <vonderer> hello, does anyone use wallpaper clock screenlet?
[21:30] <vinnl> !ask
[21:31] <vonderer> ok, if anyone uses wallpaper clock screenlet, please, tell me how to make it work ^^
[21:31] <vinnl> Can't you just run it? :)
[21:32] <vonderer> if it was so easy — I wouldn't ask :)) It starts, but doesn't apply any desktop wallpaper
[21:33] <vinnl> vonderer, I don't suppose it is made for xfdesktop
[21:34] <vonderer> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=66717
[21:34] <vonderer> Changelog:
[21:34] <vonderer> v2.3 xfce workarround
[21:34] <vinnl> OK, wait, I'm going to try it :)
[21:34] <vinnl> ...if I can figure out how to install screenlets
[21:35] <vinnl> !screenlets
[21:35] <vinnl> Hmm, that needs updating
[21:35] <vonderer> just as any other app: with aptitude or synaptic
[21:36] <vonderer> and they actually run without Compiz
[21:36] <vinnl> Yeah xfwm4 has compositing
[21:39] <vinnl> vonderer, OK, what's it supposed to do?
[21:39] <vinnl> I do see a clock now
[21:39] <vonderer> it is supposed to put on your desctop a wallpaper with clock
[21:39] <vinnl> OK, I just have the clock that's hovering over my windows
[21:39] <vinnl> There's a checkbox for "Xfce workaround" in the settings
[21:40] <vonderer> http://www.vladstudio.com/ru/wallpaperclock/details.php?175http://www.vladstudio.com/ru/wallpaperclock/details.php?175
[21:40] <vonderer> like that
[21:40] <vonderer> well, «Xfce workaround» doesn't work for me
[21:41] <vinnl> vonderer, I just have the clock and I set it to attach to my desktop now
[21:41] <vinnl> How do you install wallpapers?
[21:41] <vonderer> right-click on the icon (small clock) and chose install wallpaper
[21:42] <vonderer> after that — change wallpaper clock->My wallpapers->wallpaper name
[21:43] <vinnl> OK, it appears to be loading...
[21:44] <vinnl> No entry in the menu yet
[21:51] <vinnl> vonderer, you don't have to use multiple wallpapers as Xfce wallpaper?
[21:54] <vinnl> vonderer, I give up... It's a very cool idea though
[21:55] <vonderer> vinnl: no, i think. thanks for trying to help :)
[21:55] <vinnl> np :)
[21:56] <vonderer> I'll try to restart xfce, maybe it'll help
[21:56] <vonderer> bye :)
[21:56] <vinnl> Bye
[21:56] <vinnl> I'm off too, bye
[22:13] <Genelyk> tomorrow day testing :D
[22:15] <coldhak> ok, so i installed compiz, everything works fine as far as that goes, but i want to uninstall it. i tried uninstalling it about an hour ago, and then xfce doesn't work
[22:16] <coldhak> ideas?
[22:16] <coldhak> i'll log in, see the xfce bars like usual, but then they disappear, and i'm stuck with one desktop and only the windows i had up previously
[22:18] <vidd> coldhak, reinstall it, then uninstall it with the --purge switch
[22:19] <coldhak> you mean compiz or xfce?
[22:19] <vidd> compiz
[22:20] <coldhak> ...won't that just reinstall compiz and rm compiz's settings?
[22:20] <vidd> yes
[22:21] <coldhak> i've got compiz working fine.
[22:21] <vidd> did you remove combiz settings when you uninstalled it?
[22:21] <coldhak> it works as it should
[22:21] <coldhak> i want to get rid of it, but i want xfce to work
[22:22] <vidd> "i want to uninstall it....xfce doesn't work"
[22:22] <vidd> so you want to --purge
[22:22] <vidd> when you uninstall
[22:22] <coldhak> ok
[22:23] <vidd> otherwise, you have ave left-over config files that are (probably) causing your issue
[22:23] <vidd> [this lag is killing me!!!!]
[22:23] <coldhak> ok, i'll give that a shot
[22:23] <coldhak> i'll be back via another computer if it doesn't work
[22:25] <vidd> i probably wont be here
[22:25] <coldhak> that's ok. i'll be back just the same
[22:27] <vidd> welcome back
[22:28] <Pete_I> yeah, didn't work
[22:28] <Genelyk> ﻿_o\  \o\  lol /o/ /o_   hip hip !!
[22:29] <vidd> what didnt work?
[22:29] <Pete_I> the panel's there, but there's no window borders, i can't move windows. the panel's always on bottom
[22:29] <vidd> ok....
[22:29] <vidd> so you need to reset xfce as the window manager
[22:30] <Coldhak> ok, how do i do that?
[22:30] <Coldhak> the xconfig?
[22:30] <vidd> can you bring up the menu?
[22:30] <Coldhak> yeah
[22:31] <Coldhak> menu works. i can access a shell and all that, but if i a program comes up maximized(firefox/xchat) i can't minimize/resize it
[22:31] <vidd> applications->settings->login window
[22:32] <vidd> what is "Default Session" set to?
[22:33] <Coldhak> xfce
[22:34] <vidd> hrm
[22:35] <Coldhak> when i go to "window manager" in the settings manager, it says "these settings cannot work with your current window manager (unknown)" :/
[22:35] <vidd> type xfdesktop in a terminal....does this fix it?
[22:36] <Coldhak> no.
[22:37] <Coldhak> :'( i really don't wanna reload this system. i just loaded it yesterday
[22:37] <vidd> the fix isnt all that difficult....
[22:37] <Coldhak> well, what is it?
[22:37] <vidd> the setting is somewhere in GDM....
[22:38] <vidd> go to the logon screen, and see what sessions are available
[22:39] <Coldhak> the norm. xfce, xclient script, gnome, secure remote, failsafe gnome, failsafe terminal
[22:39] <vidd> select xfce
[22:40] <vidd> any luck?
[22:40] <Coldhak> not sure what you're thinkin', but that's not it
[22:40] <Coldhak> :(
[22:40] <vidd> ok....
[22:40] <vidd> back to settings manager...
[22:40] <vidd> sessions and startups
[22:42] <Coldhak> nothing strange here either. says it starts gnome services on login
[22:43] <vidd> is "display chhoser on login checked?
[22:43] <Coldhak> it wasn't, but it is now
[22:43] <Coldhak> where's xfce store it's data?
[22:43] <Coldhak> i may have a backup
[22:44] <vidd> so far as I know, in your /home directory
[22:44] <Coldhak> yeah, :) what's the folder called i mean
[22:45] <vidd> .config
[22:45] <vidd> time for my good friend google....
[22:47] <Coldhak> <3 backups
[22:47] <Coldhak> thanks for the help
[22:51] <vidd> Coldhak, xfwm4 --replace
[22:52] <vidd> hopefully that fixes you up....
[22:52] <vidd> i have to go home now...be back if i can in a bit
[22:54] <Coldhak> hmm. had i not already fixed it, that might have
[23:08] <Roland-> hey, how do I make flash sites work on 64bit xubuntu ?
[23:10] <TheSheep> Roland-: install flashplugin-nonfree
[23:18] <Roland-> oh
[23:18] <Roland-> that was damn simple
[23:18] <Roland-> lol
[23:18] <Roland-> what about java?
[23:18] <Roland-> :>
[23:19] <TheSheep> Roland-: nope
[23:19] <Roland-> no java?
[23:19] <TheSheep> Roland-: at least not by Sun
[23:19] <Roland-> doesn't matter I need java apps to work
[23:19] <Roland-> gues we have to wait for google chrome linux
[23:19] <TheSheep> !java
[23:20] <TheSheep> Roland-: javascript is something completely different than java
[23:20] <TheSheep> Roland-: javascript will work without any extra efforts
[23:22] <Roland-> oh perfect
[23:22] <Roland-> even java games?
[23:23] <TheSheep> no
[23:23] <TheSheep> java is something completely different than javascript
[23:24] <TheSheep> the name similarity is accidental
[23:25] <TheSheep> Roland-: you can try gcjwebplugin
[23:25] <TheSheep> Roland-: but code that's badly written won't work on it
[23:25] <Roland-> ok
[23:26] <Roland-> i have one more q
[23:26] <Roland-> i have a laptop sony vaio
[23:26] <Roland-> and I have speakers and jak
[23:26] <Roland-> in xfce4 mixer I do not have jack options
[23:26] <Roland-> and if I plug the eraphones nothing happens
[23:27] <TheSheep> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins
[23:27] <TheSheep> this can be helpful
[23:27] <TheSheep> Roland-: as for audio, my headphones out is badly detected as "surround", maybe yours has misleading name too
[23:28] <Roland-> is about jack configuration....