| * apachelogger got a messed up sleeping schedule | 01:38 | |
| vorian | i'd say | 02:03 |
|---|---|---|
| apachelogger | jtechidna: nice gnome you got there :P | 02:09 |
| jtechidna | :P | 02:09 |
| rgreening | hello all | 02:11 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: I built qt 4.4.2 debs. handed to riddell for upload | 02:13 |
| apachelogger | cool | 02:13 |
| * apachelogger still tries getting qt-copy to build ;-) | 02:13 | |
| rgreening | :) ya. some great experience for me | 02:14 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: what source is it you have? | 02:14 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: the one from kde | 02:14 |
| rgreening | I used the qt + ubuntu patches from qt copy. | 02:15 |
| rgreening | worked for me | 02:15 |
| * apachelogger hopes the patches apply now | 02:15 | |
| rgreening | some were removed | 02:15 |
| rgreening | as applied already | 02:15 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: they certainly worked after 4.4.2 was imported | 02:15 |
| rgreening | you want the diff I did for 4.4.42 | 02:15 |
| apachelogger | that was >24 before I updated the checkout, which is pretty bad ;-) | 02:15 |
| rgreening | 4.4.2 | 02:15 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: no, I think it's already fixed | 02:16 |
| apachelogger | getting a new package right now | 02:16 |
| rgreening | are you building 4.4.2 or svn? | 02:16 |
| apachelogger | qt-copy, which is 4.4.2 + patches from kdesvn | 02:18 |
| rgreening | Cool. I used to use qt-copy patches way back at Gentoo. :) How much diff is it from what we use in kubuntu (a lot more patches than what we apply?) | 02:20 |
| rgreening | I was one of the Xeffects maintainers (not the saucy rude one though.. haha) | 02:21 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 02:22 |
| rgreening | :) | 02:23 |
| * rgreening can't wait for Heros premiere to start | 02:23 | |
| jjesse | is it this week? | 02:23 |
| * jjesse is halfway through season 2 | 02:24 | |
| rgreening | Monday | 02:24 |
| jjesse | wow | 02:25 |
| * rgreening jumps for joy | 02:25 | |
| vorian | yee haa | 02:25 |
| jjesse | yay | 02:25 |
| jjesse | i love my dvr | 02:25 |
| rgreening | I have a film class.. but I'll be finished just in time to watch the 2 hour premiere | 02:26 |
| rgreening | whee | 02:26 |
| claydoh | well someon's gone and one it for intrepid | 03:10 |
| claydoh | http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3096011.msg147199#msg147199 | 03:10 |
| * claydoh awaits broken stuff... | 03:10 | |
| rgreening | lol | 03:12 |
| claydoh | lol I fixed my touchpad in intrepid, and I can't remember which bit made it work :( | 03:16 |
| rgreening | heh | 03:16 |
| claydoh | lol the kde3 packages are listed as maintained by ubuntu-core-devel | 03:18 |
| * claydoh ain't going near them with a 100m pole | 03:18 | |
| rgreening | not good. | 03:18 |
| rgreening | obviously not properly built/updated | 03:19 |
| claydoh | i know its ust someone dcowoing it for himself (I hope), but holy | 03:19 |
| rgreening | ya. | 03:20 |
| apachelogger | hm | 03:27 |
| apachelogger | claydoh: keep us updated | 03:27 |
| * apachelogger wants to rant about the packages for bad QA :P | 03:28 | |
| Hobbsee | claydoh: does someone need to send a mail from ubuntu-core-devel saying that these are not our packages, and please not to attribute them to us? | 03:28 |
| claydoh | on what, how may hosed system there will be :/ | 03:28 |
| apachelogger | if people rant about our KDE 4 backprots, we can as well rant about their KDE 3 forward ports :P | 03:28 |
| claydoh | Hobbsee: I would think so, or at least more info on hios site | 03:29 |
| claydoh | he probably ust rebuilt src packages I am guessing?? | 03:30 |
| apachelogger | looks like it | 03:30 |
| claydoh | arghh bad fingers | 03:30 |
| claydoh | well bad finger with bandaid | 03:30 |
| apachelogger | bandaid? | 03:31 |
| Hobbsee | i'd say so | 03:31 |
| * apachelogger feels like falling asleep again | 03:31 | |
| claydoh | apachelogger: small bandage (brand-name) | 03:32 |
| apachelogger | reading bug reports is way too boring | 03:32 |
| apachelogger | claydoh: ic | 03:32 |
| claydoh | Hobbsee: I have an email address | 03:32 |
| claydoh | for the poster at least | 03:32 |
| apachelogger | jtechidna: I noticed you packaged the .so files in ktorrent 3.1.2 ... .so are files which are only required for development/building, so you shouldn't include them in non-dev packages | 03:36 |
| rgreening | stick it to him.. lol | 03:37 |
| rgreening | in re to the KDE3.5 post | 03:37 |
| rgreening | :) | 03:38 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: you getqtcopy done/working? | 03:38 |
| claydoh | it goes both places :) | 03:38 |
| * claydoh goes to sleep now | 03:38 | |
| apachelogger | rgreening: no, I just don't apply the patches | 03:38 |
| apachelogger | nini claydoh | 03:38 |
| rgreening | heh | 03:39 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: anything you need worked on? | 03:39 |
| apachelogger | bug triage :D | 03:40 |
| rgreening | any specific ones you want (i.e. high priority) | 03:40 |
| rgreening | for intrepid | 03:40 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: everything is high priority, kdepim and kdebase bugs especially, since there are a lot of them fixed in 4.1.1 probably | 03:47 |
| rgreening | ok. I'll take a stab at cleaning some of them up | 03:47 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: cool, btw, in case you request information don't forget to mark them as incomplete | 03:48 |
| * apachelogger notes that a lot of bugs have reports who don't really want to communicate | 03:48 | |
| rgreening | yep | 03:48 |
| rgreening | I know the feeling | 03:48 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: so, going over this URL should be what you want looked at (c0rrect): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs | 03:49 |
| rgreening | or something else? | 03:50 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim | 03:50 |
| rgreening | kk | 03:51 |
| apachelogger | you can mostly ignore stuff which is already incompelte, I try to regulary hunt down bugs without responose and such which are incomplete but have a response :) | 03:51 |
| rgreening | k | 03:54 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: I cannot edit the status as it stands (not a member of kdepim). suggestions? | 04:04 |
| apachelogger | huh? | 04:04 |
| apachelogger | any launchpad user should be able to edit the status | 04:04 |
| rgreening | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/260418 | 04:04 |
| rgreening | I click status and get You are not the bug assignee nor the maintainer of kdepim (Ubuntu), and therefore cannot edit this bug's status. | 04:05 |
| rgreening | :) | 04:05 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: are you logged in? | 04:05 |
| rgreening | 1 sec... maybe it didn't... | 04:05 |
| rgreening | stupid konqueror | 04:05 |
| rgreening | no... | 04:05 |
| apachelogger | oh well | 04:05 |
| rgreening | 1 sec | 04:05 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: I pasted the edge.launchpad url | 04:06 |
| apachelogger | edge is the testing version of launchpad and got a different cookie | 04:06 |
| rgreening | oh | 04:06 |
| rgreening | that would explain it (my konq auto logs me in everywhere... normally | 04:06 |
| rgreening | thanks... much better now | 04:07 |
| rgreening | can edit | 04:07 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 04:08 |
| Lex79 | apachelogger: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgrubeditor/+bug/272973 | 04:17 |
| rgreening | will look | 04:17 |
| Lex79 | apachelogger: I'm working to update kgrubeditor, ok? subscribe to motu-release ? | 04:18 |
| apachelogger | no | 04:19 |
| apachelogger | Lex79: mark it as invalid | 04:19 |
| apachelogger | 5b is a pre-release | 04:19 |
| apachelogger | if there should be any issues and artemisfowel has to change .5 from .5b we need a new exception | 04:19 |
| apachelogger | so we better just wait for the the final .5 | 04:20 |
| apachelogger | Lex79: besides, the bzr branch is already updated ;-) | 04:20 |
| Lex79 | ah ok :( | 04:20 |
| Lex79 | :) | 04:20 |
| apachelogger | Lex79: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kgrubeditor/ubuntu | 04:21 |
| Lex79 | apachelogger: ok... plasmoid-cpuload is ready for upload? | 04:22 |
| apachelogger | Lex79: did you get an FFe? | 04:23 |
| Lex79 | ya | 04:23 |
| Lex79 | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/268419 | 04:24 |
| apachelogger | Lex79: btw, you don't need to update the changelog/copyright datetimes everytime you upload a refined version to revu | 04:24 |
| apachelogger | it's not like anyone would care if the intiial packaging happened on 22 Sep or 17 Sep ;-) | 04:25 |
| apachelogger | vorian: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-cpuload | 04:26 |
| Lex79 | I'm newbie :) | 04:26 |
| Lex79 | apachelogger: I'm learning... | 04:27 |
| apachelogger | that is why I told you :) | 04:27 |
| Lex79 | :) | 04:27 |
| Lex79 | apachelogger: "btw" what it means in English? | 04:28 |
| apachelogger | Lex79: by the way | 04:28 |
| Lex79 | ohhhhhhh | 04:28 |
| Lex79 | :) | 04:28 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: bug 272383 | 04:31 |
| apachelogger | uh | 04:32 |
| apachelogger | brokenbot(tm) | 04:32 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/+bug/272383 | 04:32 |
| Lex79 | apachelogger: kcm-gtk-kde4 is updated, can I update the package? | 04:35 |
| Lex79 | http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/gtk-kde4?content=74689 | 04:35 |
| Lex79 | 0.8b -> 0.8 | 04:35 |
| apachelogger | Lex79: yes | 04:36 |
| apachelogger | especially look into Qt4 theme installing was automatized | 04:36 |
| Lex79 | ya | 04:37 |
| Lex79 | open FFe ? | 04:37 |
| apachelogger | that automatization could make our get-orig-source redundant | 04:37 |
| apachelogger | Lex79: I suggest preparing the package first, maybe even get an advocation | 04:38 |
| apachelogger | it speeds up the FFe process, IMHO motu-release cares too much about the packaging these days | 04:38 |
| Lex79 | ok | 04:39 |
| Lex79 | how to get an advocation? | 04:39 |
| apachelogger | upload to revu :P | 04:40 |
| Lex79 | ok :P | 04:41 |
| Lex79 | thx | 04:41 |
| Lex79 | apachelogger: with uscan: gtk-kde4: remote site does not even have current version | 04:44 |
| apachelogger | probably broken then | 04:44 |
| Lex79 | download source manualy from kde-apps? | 04:44 |
| apachelogger | Lex79: yes | 04:47 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: if you want to, you can kill bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/+bug/271779 | 05:12 |
| rgreening | i'll look into it. ty | 05:14 |
| * apachelogger goes outside and gets some exercise | 05:43 | |
| apachelogger | hm | 08:55 |
| apachelogger | I don't like the kaffeine codec installer code at all | 08:55 |
| wepiha | hmm gtk-gt-engine no longer works | 09:42 |
| Lex79 | apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gtk-kde4 | 09:50 |
| apachelogger | Lex79: be more verbose in the changelog, keep in mind that someone who didn't see the debdiff needs to know what you did from looking at the changelog | 09:55 |
| stdin | apachelogger: about the kaffeine codec installer bug, I think adding "return" after the "QApplication.exit(#)" calls should fix it. because it seems to be just running over that and running the dcop commands | 09:56 |
| stdin | unless it needs QApplication.processEvents() too (not sure looking at the code) | 09:57 |
| Lex79 | I thought that I was too verbose :P | 09:57 |
| apachelogger | stdin: no | 09:58 |
| Lex79 | I have to change debian/changelog? | 09:58 |
| apachelogger | stdin: the point of QApplication::exit is pretty much that the app exits :P | 09:58 |
| stdin | apachelogger: yes, but it isn't working in that code | 09:59 |
| apachelogger | the problem is that the cpp part of the codec installer always asumes the script exited properly and returns true | 09:59 |
| apachelogger | then the xinepart gets reinitialized | 09:59 |
| apachelogger | again can't play the file | 09:59 |
| apachelogger | starts the installer again... | 09:59 |
| apachelogger | even worse is that the script apparently depends on adept batch but the package doesn't | 10:00 |
| apachelogger | so it's even more broken on intrepid | 10:00 |
| apachelogger | and that it is actually calling kdesu directly is an abomination of KDE IMHO | 10:01 |
| apachelogger | Lex79: what deps did you changeß | 10:01 |
| apachelogger | ? | 10:01 |
| Lex79 | a moment | 10:02 |
| apachelogger | Lex79: well, that is what you need to document | 10:03 |
| apachelogger | if one of the deps causes problems or something, I will open the changelog and search for the package name | 10:04 |
| Lex79 | apachelogger: old control http://paste.ubuntu.com/49226/ | 10:04 |
| Lex79 | pbuilder doesn't build with deps in old control | 10:04 |
| Lex79 | sorry | 10:04 |
| Lex79 | build works | 10:04 |
| Lex79 | but broken install | 10:05 |
| Lex79 | now is ok | 10:05 |
| Lex79 | the maintainer has gnome and has not noticed the problem | 10:06 |
| apachelogger | well, from looking at it, it seriously looks weird | 10:08 |
| apachelogger | Lex79: I'll have to do the kaffeine codec installation fix before I can give it a full revu | 10:09 |
| apachelogger | just verbosify the changelog for now | 10:09 |
| Lex79 | ok | 10:11 |
| apachelogger | maybe stdin can take a look at it ;-) | 10:12 |
| jeroen- | thats strange | 10:14 |
| Lex79 | thanks ;) | 10:14 |
| jeroen- | when I open a link in konversation (intrepid) it opens thunderbird | 10:14 |
| jeroen- | 1. that should be a browser | 10:14 |
| jeroen- | 2. thunderbird should not be installed by default | 10:14 |
| jeroen- | fresh alpha 6 | 10:15 |
| apachelogger | jeroen-: how fresh is that fresh? | 10:16 |
| jeroen- | apachelogger: from cd | 10:16 |
| apachelogger | hm | 10:16 |
| apachelogger | no good! | 10:16 |
| jeroen- | maybe some dependecy | 10:16 |
| apachelogger | yes | 10:17 |
| apachelogger | jeroen-: run apt-get remove thunderbird and tell me which packages that would remove | 10:17 |
| jeroen- | another problem is that kde4 doesnt remember my 1280x1024 resolution | 10:17 |
| jeroen- | it always want 1600xsomethinh | 10:17 |
| jeroen- | but when I go to settings > display it is set ok | 10:17 |
| jeroen- | apachelogger: I will | 10:18 |
| jeroen- | apachelogger: only thunderbird is removed | 10:18 |
| stdin | Lex79: I'd change the build-dep on cdbs to (>= 0.4.51). because that's what kde4libs has and to remove the ubuntu part | 10:18 |
| stdin | Lex79: and it'll be good to number the patches | 10:18 |
| apachelogger | jeroen-: then it is probably some recommends and not a dependency that pulls thunderbird in | 10:19 |
| jeroen- | well I didnt yet install something by hand, except mysql-server | 10:19 |
| apachelogger | that might already be enough to pull thunderbird in really | 10:19 |
| Lex79 | stdin: ok | 10:20 |
| apachelogger | jeroen-: please report a bug against kubuntu-meta, and assign it to me | 10:21 |
| apachelogger | this certainly needs some investigation | 10:21 |
| jeroen- | apachelogger: I will if I have everything in order | 10:22 |
| jeroen- | apachelogger: you mean the thunderbird-bug? | 10:22 |
| apachelogger | yes | 10:22 |
| jeroen- | or the resolution-bug? | 10:22 |
| apachelogger | resolution is already reported | 10:22 |
| jeroen- | ok | 10:22 |
| jeroen- | great | 10:22 |
| jeroen- | I will later this day | 10:22 |
| apachelogger | stdin: -(~/.kde/share/config:$)-> cat kaffeinerc | grep xine | 10:23 |
| apachelogger | xine-engine+ffmpeg=true | 10:23 |
| stdin | Last Service Desktop Name=xine_part | 10:24 |
| stdin | apachelogger: and actually, adding "return" after QApplication.exit(#) does stop it from looping ;) | 10:24 |
| apachelogger | stdin: after which one? | 10:25 |
| apachelogger | jtechidna, Riddell: ping | 10:25 |
| stdin | apachelogger: in run(self), the two before the os.system() stuff | 10:25 |
| stdin | I think it's the one after "if not self.installer():" mostly | 10:26 |
| apachelogger | hm | 10:26 |
| apachelogger | no, I don't like the installer, and I even less like it's QA | 10:27 |
| stdin | yeah, it does leave a lot to be desired | 10:27 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: pong | 10:28 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: do we have a replacement for adept_batch? | 10:28 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: install-package | 10:28 |
| apachelogger | thanks | 10:28 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: what for? | 10:29 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: kaffeine's codec installer | 10:29 |
| Riddell | oh yes, thanks | 10:32 |
| Riddell | well I guess I should blog about having saved the planet | 10:32 |
| apachelogger | hehe | 10:34 |
| apachelogger | stdin: is the script looping in itself? | 10:35 |
| * apachelogger is wondering how installDistroCodec would be accessed without codec argument | 10:35 | |
| * jussi01 sighs... still cant get qt4-designer to work | 11:00 | |
| stdin | apachelogger: doesn't look like it loops itself | 11:11 |
| stdin | __init__() calls run() which calls QApplication.exit() | 11:12 |
| stdin | that thing needs a rewrite though | 11:13 |
| * Lex79 is away: Per ora assente | 11:16 | |
| jeroen- | why not using oxygen-icons in the intrepid kde3 applications? | 11:17 |
| Riddell | no easy way to do that | 11:18 |
| Riddell | openoffice would be more important | 11:18 |
| jeroen- | well I did it in hardy myself | 11:18 |
| jeroen- | yes openoffice is also important | 11:19 |
| * apachelogger had an oxygen -> kde3 script once | 11:28 | |
| apachelogger | got lost I think :S | 11:28 |
| apachelogger | stdin: yes ... in cpp | 11:28 |
| jeroen- | apachelogger: well I still have tar0file | 11:29 |
| jeroen- | anyhow - I can't add non-kde-apps to the panel - it only add a .desktop-file | 11:31 |
| apachelogger | feel free to find the cause | 11:33 |
| jeroen- | and the amarok collection is not showing the songs | 11:38 |
| jeroen- | apachelogger: I am not a programmer, I just notice things | 11:38 |
| * Lex79 is back. | 11:47 | |
| apachelogger | stdin: the return isn't the most awesome solution, but it should do for an SRU :) | 12:19 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17828577/kaffeine_0.8.6-2ubuntu1_to_ubuntu2.diff | 12:34 |
| jtechidna | apachelogger: plong | 12:43 |
| jtechidna | oh | 12:43 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: how is powerdevil thus far? | 12:51 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: missing a systray/plasmoid thing | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | other than that better than gpm TBH | 12:55 |
| nixternal | groovy, will have to give it a try | 12:55 |
| === davmor2 is now known as davmor2-lunch | ||
| Riddell | apachelogger: that quilt refresh seems a bit more than a refresh, e.g. it adds +#include <kdebug.h> | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | hum, faulty merge indeed | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: please remove that | 12:57 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: kconfig.h as well | 12:58 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: uploaded, thanks | 12:59 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I'll prepare the SRU later | 13:01 |
| * apachelogger leaves for a coffee | 13:01 | |
| Riddell | apachelogger: SRU? | 13:01 |
| rgreening | Riddell: hey | 13:04 |
| Riddell | morning rgreening, Qt still compiling here | 13:04 |
| rgreening | lol | 13:04 |
| rgreening | slow PC | 13:05 |
| rgreening | :) | 13:05 |
| Riddell | I fell asleep yesterday I'm afraid, tired after winning a marathon | 13:05 |
| rgreening | lol.. what marathon? | 13:05 |
| rgreening | and good job | 13:05 |
| Riddell | a canoe one | 13:05 |
| rgreening | ah right... cool | 13:05 |
| rgreening | no lightning | 13:06 |
| rgreening | :P | 13:06 |
| rgreening | well, qt 4.4.2 has been working for me for last 24 h. No issues have popped up with it that I can see. | 13:07 |
| rgreening | hey... anyone can help me with alien issue? "dpkg-gencontrol: error: current host architecture 'i386' does not appear in package's architecture list (amd64)"? | 13:10 |
| rgreening | It's a source RPM... | 13:10 |
| rgreening | Is there a way I can force alien to extract the src RPM on diff ARCH? | 13:10 |
| Riddell | are you sure it's src? that would be platform independent | 13:11 |
| rgreening | I know... that's why I am stumped. FOund this online at OpenSuSE: libqt4-jambi-4.4.0-5.7.src.rpm | 13:11 |
| rgreening | trying to see what they did | 13:11 |
| Riddell | interesting, they hadn't packaged it last I looked (ages ago) | 13:14 |
| rgreening | ya.. it's def Alpha quality RPM.. haha | 13:14 |
| rgreening | :) | 13:14 |
| rgreening | I dont thinks it was in the "release" stage yet | 13:15 |
| Riddell | rgreening: where did you find that? it's not in factory | 13:15 |
| rgreening | nope... hmm... can't remember the link. It was OpenSuSE though... | 13:15 |
| Riddell | google knows it not | 13:15 |
| rgreening | 1 sec.... | 13:15 |
| rgreening | let me see if I can re-find it. | 13:15 |
| Riddell | ah hah http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Qt44/openSUSE_Factory/src/libqt4-jambi-4.4.0-5.3.src.rpm | 13:16 |
| Riddell | fakeroot alien libqt4-jambi-4.4.0-5.3.src.rpm works here | 13:17 |
| rgreening | http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/3/srodzaj/2/search/libqt4-jambi-4.4.0-5.7.src.rpm | 13:19 |
| rgreening | cool.. let me try | 13:19 |
| rgreening | I get same err on the 5.7 on.. let me get the 5.3 one | 13:21 |
| rgreening | ok.. what's up with my system... I get the same error with i386 (amd64) | 13:22 |
| rgreening | Riddell? Are you running a i386 or amd64? | 13:25 |
| rgreening | Riddell: the src has debian/co0ntrol with amd64 in it | 13:26 |
| Riddell | rgreening: what command are you running? | 13:37 |
| Riddell | oh, are you trying to build it? I doubt that'll ever work | 13:37 |
| Riddell | borrow the patches and build rules, but I wouldn't try just building an alien'ed RPM | 13:39 |
| Riddell | rgreening: qt compiles and works, all looks good so I'll upload | 13:57 |
| rgreening | 1 sec... | 14:02 |
| rgreening | cool. | 14:02 |
| rgreening | :) | 14:02 |
| === davmor2-lunch is now known as davmor2 | ||
| apachelogger | Riddell: hardy's kaffeine is looping as well | 14:40 |
| seele | huh.. what's crashing on startup in alpha 6? and then the "crash" bubble crashes.. | 14:51 |
| * rgreening patiently awaits K3B for KDE4... | 14:52 | |
| * jussi01 saw sexy new libnotify today... | 14:53 | |
| * rgreening wants to be KDE3 free one day | 14:54 | |
| * apachelogger never liked the crash bubble | 14:56 | |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: when do we get the new libnotify in hardy? and is it in intrepid yet? | 14:57 |
| apachelogger | if I care a little about about kaffeine, I probably don't care at all about libnotify :P | 14:58 |
| jussi01 | rofl... | 14:58 |
| jussi01 | but its so nice.. http://omploader.org/vcmto | 14:58 |
| rgreening | Riddell: looks like compiz 0.7.7 (some svn release) is currently in intrepid and 0.7.8 is out. Can we bump to 0.7.8? If so, I can work on packaging it | 14:58 |
| rgreening | OMFG.. that notify ROX | 14:59 |
| rgreening | I care about it.. :) | 14:59 |
| rgreening | wow | 14:59 |
| jussi01 | :D | 14:59 |
| * rgreening searches for source... | 15:00 | |
| Riddell | rgreening: dunno, you'd need to ask the compiz packagers (there might be a #ubuntu-compiz) | 15:02 |
| rgreening | kk... | 15:02 |
| nixternal | jussi01: you compile that libnotify yourself? | 15:04 |
| nixternal | I want to get rid of the crappy old one | 15:04 |
| rgreening | Riddell: no such channel :) | 15:04 |
| rgreening | popped a msg on ubuntu-devel | 15:04 |
| jussi01 | nixternal: nope. its not mine, got that from sput in #quassel (the quassel lead dev... ) | 15:04 |
| nixternal | ahh, I was wondering why I hadn't seen anything new from Galago | 15:05 |
| jussi01 | nixternal: I was hoping we could have it in intrepid, and then hardy, so I would get it :D | 15:06 |
| jussi01 | cause it is "teh sexiness" | 15:06 |
| nixternal | I am taking it he redid libnotify with qt | 15:07 |
| apachelogger | sput didn't do that really :P | 15:08 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: where is the source anyway? | 15:08 |
| seele | argh.. can someone tell me how to kill the notify bubbles that crashed? i can't access any of my system tray icons | 15:09 |
| jussi01 | no idea, Im asking sput now... | 15:09 |
| apachelogger | seele: just deactivate apport ... /etc/default/apport IIRC | 15:09 |
| seele | apachelogger: i dont know what that means | 15:09 |
| apachelogger | well, kdesudo kate THATFILE | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | there is a line sayin 'enabled=1' change the 1 to a 0 save the file | 15:10 |
| apachelogger | then a relogin should make that thing disappear I guess | 15:10 |
| rgreening | jussi01: if you get the source, I can work on building it (assuming someone wishes to accept into upstream {pretty please - haha}) | 15:11 |
| apachelogger | would need a feature freeze exception | 15:11 |
| jussi01 | rgreening: soon as I find out where it is Ill let you know | 15:11 |
| seele | apachelogger: didn't work :-/ | 15:12 |
| rgreening | :) | 15:12 |
| apachelogger | seele: no clue then, Riddell probably knows | 15:12 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: It may well be worth it. The existing one is god awful and takes away from the whole plasma/KDE4 experience IMHO. This would be a great benefit. | 15:12 |
| apachelogger | well | 15:12 |
| apachelogger | last I checked the plasma integration was pretty 4.2ish | 15:13 |
| jussi01 | [17:12:00] <Sput> jussi01: uhm? | 15:13 |
| jussi01 | [17:12:07] <Sput> jussi01: I'm running KDE trunk | 15:13 |
| apachelogger | see | 15:13 |
| rgreening | doh | 15:13 |
| jussi01 | [17:12:29] <Sput> knotify should be part of kdebase | 15:13 |
| rgreening | hrmph | 15:13 |
| * jussi01 cries... | 15:13 | |
| * rgreening wishes KDE4.2 was out | 15:13 | |
| * jussi01 wishes ksnapshot had an "upload to imagebin" button... | 15:16 | |
| * apachelogger thinks jussi01 should implement that :P | 15:18 | |
| Tm_T | I just use import and save directly to server, sshfs <3 | 15:19 |
| Tm_T | sleep 5 ; import -window root /mnt/ssh-kapsi/sites/www.tm-travolta.net/www/shots/current_1.png | 15:19 |
| Tm_T | like that, for example | 15:20 |
| * apachelogger uses ksnapshot and save directly to server | 15:20 | |
| apachelogger | makes numbering easier | 15:20 |
| Tm_T | apachelogger: that too (:) | 15:20 |
| seele | apachelogger: ah, on reboot it worked, but there are two blank spaces where the icons ought to be | 15:21 |
| apachelogger | weird | 15:21 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: wohoooooooo | 15:22 |
| Nightrose | new neon build | 15:22 |
| Nightrose | what did you do? | 15:22 |
| * seele wonders why brainstorm doesn't use openid | 15:22 | |
| * Nightrose hugs apachelogger | 15:22 | |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: Oo | 15:23 |
| apachelogger | without kdelibs? | 15:23 |
| apachelogger | how did that work | 15:23 |
| * Tm_T wonders how I can use launchpad.net openid elsewhere | 15:23 | |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: dunno - i am installing a new amarok neon | 15:23 |
| apachelogger | hm | 15:23 |
| apachelogger | fair enough | 15:23 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: did you fix anything or did it fix itself? | 15:24 |
| apachelogger | I build qt 4.4.2 | 15:24 |
| Nightrose | ah | 15:24 |
| Nightrose | cool | 15:24 |
| Nightrose | thanks :) | 15:24 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: yes, if the site accepts it | 15:28 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: ah, will try that then | 15:28 |
| * Tm_T had/have issues with ubuntu.com wiki at times | 15:28 | |
| Riddell | seele: killall update-notifier-kde ? | 15:29 |
| seele | Riddell: oh, i was killing knotify heh | 15:31 |
| seele | Riddell: apachelogger's option worked though | 15:31 |
| seele | argh.. 1000 word limit? what a stupid application | 15:39 |
| seele | how am i going to cut out 500+ words | 15:40 |
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| rgreening | I think desktop-effects.kde4 is b0rked. Still wants to run adept_batch, which is part of the old adept and not ver 3 | 16:12 |
| Riddell | hmm, needs updating | 16:12 |
| rgreening | a job for me | 16:12 |
| rgreening | :) | 16:12 |
| Riddell | ooh | 16:12 |
| rgreening | it needs that install function right | 16:12 |
| rgreening | or should we write an adept_batch wrapper for the install | 16:13 |
| Riddell | rgreening: it needs changed to use install-package | 16:14 |
| rgreening | kk. getting package src | 16:14 |
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| * Lex79 is away: Per ora assente | 17:20 | |
| Artemis_Fowl | apachelogger: the status of the bugs I fixed will be automatically set as "Fix Released" as soon as Intrepid is released or will I have to manually set them? | 17:32 |
| jtechidna | Artemis_Fowl: they will stay open until you either close them manually or include (LP: #bugnumberhere) in the debian changelog | 18:00 |
| seele | Riddell: regarding app config files, do you want the rc files or diffs? | 18:40 |
| Riddell | seele: diffs to what? | 18:41 |
| seele | the app rc files? | 18:41 |
| seele | for default window sizes.. | 18:41 |
| Riddell | either is fine | 18:42 |
| rgreening | ok, so I goto kubuntu wiki to create a page. It tries to log me in via OpenID and fires me to the ubuntu wiki. Any ideas? | 18:47 |
| Riddell | it's the same wiki | 18:48 |
| Riddell | but the login doesn't work with browsers other than firefox | 18:48 |
| rgreening | OMG. | 18:48 |
| rgreening | Konq doesn't work with it? | 18:48 |
| rgreening | grr | 18:48 |
| rgreening | lol | 18:48 |
| rgreening | I hate ff | 18:48 |
| * rgreening would prefer qt ff | 18:49 | |
| * seele is totally confused | 19:05 | |
| seele | in alpha 5, the selection button in okular didn't fit in the toolbar. in alpha 6 it does | 19:05 |
| seele | but afaik neither okular nor any of the rc defaults have been updated | 19:05 |
| seele | is the default system font size different? how does this stuff keep changing? | 19:06 |
| seele | oh and in alpha 4 it fit like in alpha 6 | 19:06 |
| * seele falls over | 19:07 | |
| * Riddell waves some smelling salts | 19:09 | |
| Riddell | default font size hasn't changed on our side | 19:09 |
| Riddell | possibly on X or something | 19:09 |
| yuriy | yay apachelogger! no more whining from the codec looping bug! | 20:09 |
| Arby_ | apachelogger: bug 271852, is there some launchpad foo to forward bugs upstream? | 20:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 271852 in kdebase "{fish://} Konqueror can not access directories ending with '.d'" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271852 | 20:15 |
| Arby_ | or do I just create a new report on bugs.k.o and link the two | 20:15 |
| Arby_ | nevermind, found it. | 20:16 |
| jcastro | Arby_: yep, that's the way to do it! | 20:26 |
| Arby_ | jcastro: thanks | 20:27 |
| jcastro | Arby_: there are plenty of bugs like that that need an upstream report: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bugs?search=Search&field.status_upstream=pending_bugwatch | 20:29 |
| jcastro | if you're looking for something to do. :D | 20:29 |
| * Arby_ turns slightly pale | 20:30 | |
| Arby_ | but bokmarks that page for later | 20:30 |
| Arby_ | *bookmarks | 20:30 |
| mcas | jcastro, i'll look at the page, too and try to forward some bugs | 20:31 |
| mcas | can someone please try if he can reproduce this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/273241 | 20:33 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 273241 in kdebase-workspace "Traditional KDE4 menu shows overlapping text" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 20:33 |
| mcas | thx | 20:33 |
| Arby_ | mcas looking | 20:36 |
| Arby_ | what is meant by 'traditional' menu? | 20:37 |
| jtechidna | Arby_: not kickoff | 20:37 |
| mcas | jtechidna, i read about kubuntu-bugs | 20:38 |
| Arby_ | hmm, I'll have to find out how to enable that | 20:38 |
| jtechidna | Arby_: right click the menu and select "Use classical menu" | 20:38 |
| jtechidna | mcas: cool | 20:38 |
| mcas | as a member of bug-control i'll try to do more triage in kde bugs | 20:39 |
| mcas | to give you some help for kubuntu-bugs | 20:40 |
| Arby_ | mcas: I can't reproduce that, works fine here | 20:40 |
| Arby_ | the guy is offering a screenshot, can't hurt | 20:40 |
| mcas | Arby, what graphic card do you use? | 20:41 |
| Arby_ | mcas: lspci says | 20:42 |
| Arby_ | Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c) | 20:42 |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=0&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 0 | 20:42 |
| Arby_ | rnadom | 20:42 |
| Arby_ | *random | 20:42 |
| mcas | thanks Arby_ | 20:44 |
| Arby_ | welcome | 20:44 |
| seele | jtechidna: ping | 20:56 |
| jtechidna | seele: pong | 20:56 |
| seele | jtechidna: i don't know what the option is called, but mouse navigation of virtual desktops is turned on by default? | 20:57 |
| seele | jtechidna: was it always like that or did you change it? | 20:57 |
| seele | jtechidna: (where you mouse to the top or bottom of your screen and it flips to the next desktop) | 20:57 |
| jtechidna | no, that's not on by default | 20:57 |
| seele | jtechidna: looks like it in alpha 6 | 20:58 |
| jtechidna | weird | 20:58 |
| jtechidna | I haven't touched default-settings since right before alpha5 or so when we added the notes plasmoid to the default desktop | 20:58 |
| jtechidna | it's almost like it has a mind of its own :P | 20:59 |
| seele | jtechidna: do you know where the option is? i haven't found it yet | 20:59 |
| jtechidna | not off the top of my head | 20:59 |
| jtechidna | ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc maybe | 21:00 |
| Riddell | testers needed for qt jambi packages http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/jambi/ | 21:03 |
| Riddell | rgreening: ^^ | 21:03 |
| rgreening | kk. got it | 21:03 |
| rgreening | what was the tweak to build qtjambi without phonon | 21:04 |
| goatsocks | --without-phonon? ;) | 21:04 |
| Riddell | rgreening: I had just linked /usr/share/qt4/lib to /usr/lib | 21:04 |
| Riddell | which confused it | 21:04 |
| Riddell | individual links as you advocated worked | 21:04 |
| Riddell | goatsocks: oh if only java were so easy | 21:05 |
| rgreening | lol | 21:05 |
| rgreening | so, no link for phonon.. meant no buildy for phonon | 21:05 |
| seele | jtechidna: oooh, so our default kwinrc is ok. but the kwin rc file is not. | 21:05 |
| rgreening | hehe | 21:05 |
| rgreening | 'swas what I did | 21:06 |
| seele | jtechidna: although i guess we shouldnt worry about users who rm kwinrc | 21:06 |
| rgreening | Riddell: we will need to update libqt4-dev package to make hte correct links | 21:06 |
| rgreening | as well as libqt4-opengl-dev | 21:06 |
| goatsocks | bleh their ant buildfile doesn't provide any flags for disabling constituent libs | 21:07 |
| rgreening | goatsocks: it sot of does.. if one could decipher what they were doing | 21:07 |
| rgreening | s/sot/sort/ | 21:07 |
| rgreening | we tried changeing if="qtjambi.phonon" to if="false".. no go | 21:08 |
| rgreening | I think it must be somewhere else to check | 21:08 |
| rgreening | bah.. ant | 21:08 |
| goatsocks | rgreening: it doesn't, that "if="qtjambi.phonon" is referring to a build target, not env var | 21:08 |
| rgreening | well, see there you go... I'm a baf00n | 21:09 |
| rgreening | :) | 21:09 |
| goatsocks | in ant, the convention for var names and target names are the same, so the confusion is understandable ;) | 21:09 |
| Arby_ | how do I re-open a bug on bugs.kde.org? | 21:19 |
| Arby_ | kde bug 140041 still exists but I can't see an option. | 21:19 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 140041 in general "Two "Default KOrganizer resource" items brought up after creating a todo" [Normal,Resolved: worksforme] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140041 | 21:19 |
| Arby_ | clever bot :) | 21:19 |
| Riddell | Arby_: down at the bottom there should be a "reopen" radio | 21:22 |
| Arby_ | Riddell: not for me. | 21:23 |
| Arby_ | maybe I don't have the permissions to do it | 21:24 |
| Riddell | maybe not | 21:24 |
| Riddell | shall I reopen? | 21:24 |
| Riddell | Arby_: done | 21:25 |
| Arby_ | please, apachelogger said I should | 21:25 |
| Arby_ | thanks | 21:25 |
| * Arby_ returns to the kdepim buglist | 21:26 | |
| rgreening | Riddell: qtjambi... beautiful.......... works like a charm here :) | 21:32 |
| rgreening | gtg to my Film class. later all :) | 21:32 |
| jtechidna | apachelogger: bug 273190, lol | 21:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 273190 in ubuntu "Virtualbox does not start after installing KDE 4.0" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/273190 | 21:49 |
| Arby_ | could someone look at bug 184168 and see if it's worth an upstream report? | 21:57 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 184168 in kdepim "message when adding IM information in Kontact is confusing" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184168 | 21:57 |
| yuriy | Arby_: I think so. It's a bug, and we ain't gonna fix it -> upstream. | 22:00 |
| yuriy | but importance low, can you set that? | 22:01 |
| Arby_ | yuriy: no | 22:01 |
| Arby_ | my membership expired | 22:01 |
| Arby_ | I need to contact bdmurray or another admin to get it renewed | 22:02 |
| yuriy | ok, set | 22:02 |
| Arby_ | thanks | 22:02 |
| seele | hmm.. is ktimetracker working for everyone else in alpha6? | 22:09 |
| Arby_ | seele: seems to work here what's up with it? | 22:19 |
| Arby_ | not that I use it often, I just happen to have kontact open | 22:20 |
| seele | Arby_: wont start at all | 22:20 |
| seele | no crash notification | 22:20 |
| Arby_ | let me start it as a stand alone app | 22:20 |
| Arby_ | see what happens | 22:20 |
| goatsocks | hm works fine in kontact, doesn't launch standalone | 22:22 |
| Arby_ | yep same here | 22:22 |
| seele | should we take it out of kickoff until it gets fixed? people can still access it via kontact | 22:22 |
| goatsocks | the .desktop entry must be hosed, because i can launch it standalone from the cli | 22:22 |
| Arby_ | it's also missing an icon in kickoff | 22:24 |
| goatsocks | uh, why is the .desktop file launching it as: ktimetracker -caption "%c" | 22:24 |
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| * Arby_ grumbles at bugs.k.o for being painfully slow | 22:25 | |
| Arby_ | arrgh and now it's died with a software error :( | 22:27 |
| Arby_ | right at the end of the report wizard :( | 22:27 |
| goatsocks | seele: is there a bug for this? i have a fix | 22:27 |
| goatsocks | actually i may as well fix the broken icon while i'm at it | 22:28 |
| goatsocks | ktimetracker's icon is missing in the menu for everyone else right? | 22:28 |
| Arby_ | yes | 22:30 |
| Arby_ | and in krunner, which probably gets it from the same place | 22:31 |
| seele | goatsocks: dunno, i was just doing qa when i found it | 22:31 |
| goatsocks | seele: try this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/49450/ | 22:35 |
| seele | goatsocks: cool. did you commit it? | 22:38 |
| Arby_ | goatsocks: yep that works | 22:38 |
| goatsocks | seele: i'm just a lowly lurker, no super commit powers here ;) | 22:40 |
| thiblahute | Hi, | 22:42 |
| thiblahute | I would like to get some help to get an kde4 development environment with ubuntu intrepid | 22:42 |
| thiblahute | I would like to use Kdevelop, (3.5) | 22:42 |
| thiblahute | Is there any tutorial for that? | 22:42 |
| thiblahute | Cause I am getting trouble and spend a lot of time unsuccessfully | 22:43 |
| goatsocks | thiblahute: specifically for ubuntu i don't think so, but there's this: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development#KDevelop | 22:43 |
| goatsocks | thiblahute: i'm not sure if anyone in here actually uses kdevelop | 22:44 |
| thiblahute | Is there anyway to use only kubuntu packages to do that? | 22:44 |
| thiblahute | goatsocks What do you use then? | 22:45 |
| goatsocks | thiblahute: all the tools on that page should be packaged in kubuntu/ubuntu | 22:45 |
| goatsocks | thiblahute: i'm a bit of an oddball, i use vim *and* emacs ;) | 22:46 |
| thiblahute | Ok, I don't need to follow this http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 right? | 22:46 |
| goatsocks | are you planning on c++ development, or are you thinking of using the python bindings? | 22:47 |
| goatsocks | thiblahute: most of those instructions are geared towards contributing officially to KDE upstream, not general kde development, so no you can probably ignore most of that stuff | 22:48 |
| thiblahute | OK, thank you....Hope I will manage with it | 22:50 |
| Riddell | thiblahute: sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace-dev should do most things | 22:54 |
| Arby_ | Riddell: goatsocks has a fix up there ^^ about 20 min back for a bug in ktimetracker. | 22:55 |
| Arby_ | what do we need to do to get it into intrepid? | 22:55 |
| Arby_ | rebuild with that patch? | 22:55 |
| goatsocks | imo the entire desktop file should be renamed from karm.desktop to ktimetracker.desktop, as almost everything else in the ktimetracker package has been | 22:57 |
| goatsocks | though that might break the upgrade path from kde 3 | 22:57 |
| thiblahute | I have to set the enviroment variable... | 22:59 |
| thiblahute | Is that true? | 22:59 |
| thiblahute | KDEDIRS > /usr/bin | 22:59 |
| thiblahute | KDEHOME > ~/.kde | 22:59 |
| thiblahute | LD_LIBRARY_PATH > /usr/lib | 22:59 |
| thiblahute | BUt I don't know PKG_CONFIG_PATH and QT_PLUGIN_PATH | 22:59 |
| Riddell | Arby_: yep | 23:00 |
| Arby_ | Riddell: do we need to rebuild all of kdepim or just ktimetracker? | 23:01 |
| goatsocks | thiblahute: QT_PLUGIN_PATH should be ${HOME}/.kde/lib/kde4/plugins/:/usr/lib/kde4/plugins/ | 23:01 |
| goatsocks | cmake usually has no trouble determining PKG_CONFIG_PATH automatically | 23:02 |
| Riddell | Arby_: all of it (but we have build servers to do the actual building) | 23:03 |
| Arby_ | Riddell: ah, I was going to volunteer to package it but maybe I don't need to then | 23:03 |
| Riddell | Arby_: having as a debdiff would be super useful | 23:04 |
| Arby_ | I can try | 23:05 |
| Arby_ | I've got the sources all here ready | 23:05 |
| Arby_ | :) | 23:05 |
| Riddell | Arby_: put the patch in debian/patches with a name like kubuntu_01_sensible_description.diff | 23:05 |
| Riddell | add it to debian/patches/series | 23:05 |
| Arby_ | done that | 23:05 |
| Riddell | run make -f apply-patches (I think) to test it applies | 23:06 |
| Riddell | dch -i to add a changelog | 23:06 |
| Riddell | debuild -S | 23:06 |
| Arby_ | it doesn't, already tried to debuild | 23:06 |
| Arby_ | I think the path is wrong | 23:06 |
| Arby_ | changelog already done | 23:06 |
| Riddell | the path is wrong | 23:06 |
| Arby_ | what should +++ /usr/share/applications/kde4/karm.desktop be changed to | 23:07 |
| Riddell | dunno, make a backup of the file and edit it yourself then take a diff | 23:07 |
| Riddell | the file in the sources that is | 23:07 |
| goatsocks | the leading / should be removed at least | 23:08 |
| Arby_ | the sources only seem to have karm_part.desktop | 23:09 |
| Arby_ | which is different | 23:09 |
| Arby_ | doesn't have the exec or icon lines | 23:09 |
| goatsocks | # dpkg -L ktimetracker | grep desktop | 23:09 |
| goatsocks | /usr/share/applications/kde4/karm.desktop | 23:09 |
| goatsocks | /usr/share/kde4/services/karm_part.desktop | 23:09 |
| goatsocks | /usr/share/kde4/services/kontact/ktimetracker_plugin.desktop | 23:10 |
| goatsocks | /usr/share/kde4/services/ktimetrackerconfig.desktop | 23:10 |
| goatsocks | it's definitely installed by the current ktimetracker package | 23:10 |
| Arby_ | I agree | 23:10 |
| Arby_ | but I can't see it in the source tree | 23:10 |
| goatsocks | maybe it's added via deb patch | 23:10 |
| Arby_ | in the source tree | 23:11 |
| Arby_ | ls ktimetracker/ | grep desktop | 23:11 |
| Arby_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.3K 2008-04-23 15:51 desktoptracker.cpp | 23:11 |
| Arby_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2K 2008-09-22 22:00 karm_part.desktop | 23:11 |
| Arby_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.1K 2008-01-15 01:58 desktoplist.h | 23:11 |
| Arby_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.3K 2008-04-23 15:51 desktoptracker.h | 23:11 |
| Riddell | find ktimetracker -name *desktop | 23:12 |
| Riddell | find ktimetracker -name \*desktop | 23:12 |
| Arby_ | a ha | 23:12 |
| Arby_ | thanks | 23:12 |
| Arby_ | found it ktimetracker/support/karm.desktop | 23:13 |
| goatsocks | er Riddell beat me to it ;) | 23:14 |
| Arby_ | my shell foo is weak :( | 23:14 |
| Arby_ | seems to have gone through now :) | 23:15 |
| Arby_ | ok it's late, I'm going to leave this building and make a debdiff in the morning | 23:17 |
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