[01:38]  * apachelogger got a messed up sleeping schedule
[02:03] <vorian> i'd say
[02:09] <apachelogger> jtechidna: nice gnome you got there :P
[02:09] <jtechidna> :P
[02:11] <rgreening> hello all
[02:13] <rgreening> apachelogger: I built qt 4.4.2 debs. handed to riddell for upload
[02:13] <apachelogger> cool
[02:13]  * apachelogger still tries getting qt-copy to build ;-)
[02:14] <rgreening> :) ya. some great experience for me
[02:14] <rgreening> apachelogger: what source is it you have?
[02:14] <apachelogger> rgreening: the one from kde
[02:15] <rgreening> I used the qt + ubuntu patches from qt copy.
[02:15] <rgreening> worked for me
[02:15]  * apachelogger hopes the patches apply now
[02:15] <rgreening> some were removed
[02:15] <rgreening> as applied already
[02:15] <apachelogger> rgreening: they certainly worked after 4.4.2 was imported
[02:15] <rgreening> you want the diff I did for 4.4.42
[02:15] <apachelogger> that was >24 before I updated the checkout, which is pretty bad ;-)
[02:15] <rgreening> 4.4.2
[02:16] <apachelogger> rgreening: no, I think it's already fixed
[02:16] <apachelogger> getting a new package right now
[02:16] <rgreening> are you building 4.4.2 or svn?
[02:18] <apachelogger> qt-copy, which is 4.4.2 + patches from kdesvn
[02:20] <rgreening> Cool. I used to use qt-copy patches way back at Gentoo. :) How much diff is it from what we use in kubuntu (a lot more patches than what we apply?)
[02:21] <rgreening> I was one of the Xeffects maintainers (not the saucy rude one though.. haha)
[02:22] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[02:23] <rgreening> :)
[02:23]  * rgreening can't wait for Heros premiere to start
[02:23] <jjesse> is it this week?
[02:24]  * jjesse is halfway through season 2
[02:24] <rgreening> Monday
[02:25] <jjesse> wow
[02:25]  * rgreening jumps for joy
[02:25] <vorian> yee haa
[02:25] <jjesse> yay
[02:25] <jjesse> i love my dvr
[02:26] <rgreening> I have a film class.. but I'll be finished just in time to watch the 2 hour premiere
[02:26] <rgreening> whee
[03:10] <claydoh> well someon's  gone and one it for intrepid
[03:10] <claydoh> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3096011.msg147199#msg147199
[03:10]  * claydoh awaits broken stuff...
[03:12] <rgreening> lol
[03:16] <claydoh> lol I  fixed my touchpad in intrepid, and I can't remember which bit made it work :(
[03:16] <rgreening> heh
[03:18] <claydoh> lol the kde3 packages are listed as maintained by ubuntu-core-devel
[03:18]  * claydoh ain't going near them with a 100m pole
[03:18] <rgreening> not good.
[03:19] <rgreening> obviously not properly built/updated
[03:19] <claydoh> i know its ust someone dcowoing it for himself (I hope), but holy
[03:20] <rgreening> ya.
[03:27] <apachelogger> hm
[03:27] <apachelogger> claydoh: keep us updated
[03:28]  * apachelogger wants to rant about the packages for bad QA :P
[03:28] <Hobbsee> claydoh: does someone need to send a mail from ubuntu-core-devel saying that these are not our packages, and please not to attribute them to us?
[03:28] <claydoh> on what, how may hosed system there will be :/
[03:28] <apachelogger> if people rant about our KDE 4 backprots, we can as well rant about their KDE 3 forward ports :P
[03:29] <claydoh> Hobbsee: I would think so, or at least more info on hios site
[03:30] <claydoh> he probably  ust rebuilt src packages I am guessing??
[03:30] <apachelogger> looks like it
[03:30] <claydoh> arghh bad fingers
[03:30] <claydoh> well bad finger with bandaid
[03:31] <apachelogger> bandaid?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> i'd say so
[03:31]  * apachelogger feels like falling asleep again
[03:32] <claydoh> apachelogger: small bandage (brand-name)
[03:32] <apachelogger> reading bug reports is way too boring
[03:32] <apachelogger> claydoh: ic
[03:32] <claydoh> Hobbsee: I have an email address
[03:32] <claydoh> for the poster at least
[03:36] <apachelogger> jtechidna: I noticed you packaged the .so files in ktorrent 3.1.2 ... .so are files which are only required for development/building, so you shouldn't include them in non-dev packages
[03:37] <rgreening> stick it to him.. lol
[03:37] <rgreening> in re to the KDE3.5 post
[03:38] <rgreening> :)
[03:38] <rgreening> apachelogger: you getqtcopy done/working?
[03:38] <claydoh> it goes both places :)
[03:38]  * claydoh goes to sleep now
[03:38] <apachelogger> rgreening: no, I just don't apply the patches
[03:38] <apachelogger> nini claydoh
[03:39] <rgreening> heh
[03:39] <rgreening> apachelogger: anything you need worked on?
[03:40] <apachelogger> bug triage :D
[03:40] <rgreening> any specific ones you want (i.e. high priority)
[03:40] <rgreening> for intrepid
[03:47] <apachelogger> rgreening: everything is high priority, kdepim and kdebase bugs especially, since there are a lot of them fixed in 4.1.1 probably
[03:47] <rgreening> ok. I'll take a stab at cleaning some of them up
[03:48] <apachelogger> rgreening: cool, btw, in case you request information don't forget to mark them as incomplete
[03:48]  * apachelogger notes that a lot of bugs have reports who don't really want to communicate
[03:48] <rgreening> yep
[03:48] <rgreening> I know the feeling
[03:49] <rgreening> apachelogger: so, going over this URL should be what you want looked at (c0rrect): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+bugs
[03:50] <rgreening> or something else?
[03:50] <apachelogger> rgreening: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim
[03:51] <rgreening> kk
[03:51] <apachelogger> you can mostly ignore stuff which is already incompelte, I try to regulary hunt down bugs without responose and such which are incomplete but have a response :)
[03:54] <rgreening> k
[04:04] <rgreening> apachelogger: I cannot edit the status as it stands (not a member of kdepim). suggestions?
[04:04] <apachelogger> huh?
[04:04] <apachelogger> any launchpad user should be able to edit the status
[04:04] <rgreening> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/260418
[04:05] <rgreening> I click status and get You are not the bug assignee nor the maintainer of kdepim (Ubuntu), and therefore cannot edit this bug's status.
[04:05] <rgreening> :)
[04:05] <apachelogger> rgreening: are you logged in?
[04:05] <rgreening> 1 sec... maybe it didn't...
[04:05] <rgreening> stupid konqueror
[04:05] <rgreening> no...
[04:05] <apachelogger> oh well
[04:05] <rgreening> 1 sec
[04:06] <apachelogger> rgreening: I pasted the edge.launchpad url
[04:06] <apachelogger> edge is the testing version of launchpad and got a different cookie
[04:06] <rgreening> oh
[04:06] <rgreening> that would explain it (my konq auto logs me in everywhere... normally
[04:07] <rgreening> thanks... much better now
[04:07] <rgreening> can edit
[04:08] <apachelogger> \o/
[04:17] <Lex79> apachelogger: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kgrubeditor/+bug/272973
[04:17] <rgreening> will look
[04:18] <Lex79> apachelogger: I'm working to update kgrubeditor, ok? subscribe to motu-release ?
[04:19] <apachelogger> no
[04:19] <apachelogger> Lex79: mark it as invalid
[04:19] <apachelogger> 5b is a pre-release
[04:19] <apachelogger> if there should be any issues and artemisfowel has to change .5 from .5b we need a new exception
[04:20] <apachelogger> so we better just wait for the the final .5
[04:20] <apachelogger> Lex79: besides, the bzr branch is already updated ;-)
[04:20] <Lex79> ah ok :(
[04:20] <Lex79> :)
[04:21] <apachelogger> Lex79: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kgrubeditor/ubuntu
[04:22] <Lex79> apachelogger: ok... plasmoid-cpuload is ready for upload?
[04:23] <apachelogger> Lex79: did you get an FFe?
[04:23] <Lex79> ya
[04:24] <Lex79> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/268419
[04:24] <apachelogger> Lex79: btw, you don't need to update the changelog/copyright datetimes everytime you upload a refined version to revu
[04:25] <apachelogger> it's not like anyone would care if the intiial packaging happened on 22 Sep or 17 Sep ;-)
[04:26] <apachelogger> vorian: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=plasmoid-cpuload
[04:26] <Lex79> I'm newbie :)
[04:27] <Lex79> apachelogger: I'm learning...
[04:27] <apachelogger> that is why I told you :)
[04:27] <Lex79> :)
[04:28] <Lex79> apachelogger: "btw" what it means in English?
[04:28] <apachelogger> Lex79: by the way
[04:28] <Lex79> ohhhhhhh
[04:28] <Lex79> :)
[04:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 272383
[04:32] <apachelogger> uh
[04:32] <apachelogger> brokenbot(tm)
[04:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/+bug/272383
[04:35] <Lex79> apachelogger: kcm-gtk-kde4 is updated, can I update the package?
[04:35] <Lex79> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/gtk-kde4?content=74689
[04:35] <Lex79> 0.8b -> 0.8
[04:36] <apachelogger> Lex79: yes
[04:36] <apachelogger> especially look into Qt4 theme installing was automatized
[04:37] <Lex79> ya
[04:37] <Lex79> open FFe ?
[04:37] <apachelogger> that automatization could make our get-orig-source redundant
[04:38] <apachelogger> Lex79: I suggest preparing the package first, maybe even get an advocation
[04:38] <apachelogger> it speeds up the FFe process, IMHO motu-release cares too much about the packaging these days
[04:39] <Lex79> ok
[04:39] <Lex79> how to get an advocation?
[04:40] <apachelogger> upload to revu :P
[04:41] <Lex79> ok :P
[04:41] <Lex79> thx
[04:44] <Lex79> apachelogger: with uscan: gtk-kde4: remote site does not even have current version
[04:44] <apachelogger> probably broken then
[04:44] <Lex79> download source manualy from kde-apps?
[04:47] <apachelogger> Lex79: yes
[05:12] <apachelogger> rgreening: if you want to, you can kill bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/+bug/271779
[05:14] <rgreening> i'll look into it. ty
[05:43]  * apachelogger goes outside and gets some exercise
[08:55] <apachelogger> hm
[08:55] <apachelogger> I don't like the kaffeine codec installer code at all
[09:42] <wepiha> hmm gtk-gt-engine no longer works
[09:50] <Lex79> apachelogger: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=gtk-kde4
[09:55] <apachelogger> Lex79: be more verbose in the changelog, keep in mind that someone who didn't see the debdiff needs to know what you did from looking at the changelog
[09:56] <stdin> apachelogger: about the kaffeine codec installer bug, I think adding "return" after the "QApplication.exit(#)" calls should fix it. because it seems to be just running over that and running the dcop commands
[09:57] <stdin> unless it needs QApplication.processEvents() too (not sure looking at the code)
[09:57] <Lex79> I thought that I was too verbose :P
[09:58] <apachelogger> stdin: no
[09:58] <Lex79> I have to change debian/changelog?
[09:58] <apachelogger> stdin: the point of QApplication::exit is pretty much that the app exits :P
[09:59] <stdin> apachelogger: yes, but it isn't working in that code
[09:59] <apachelogger> the problem is that the cpp part of the codec installer always asumes the script exited properly and returns true
[09:59] <apachelogger> then the xinepart gets reinitialized
[09:59] <apachelogger> again can't play the file
[09:59] <apachelogger> starts the installer again...
[10:00] <apachelogger> even worse is that the script apparently depends on adept batch but the package doesn't
[10:00] <apachelogger> so it's even more broken on intrepid
[10:01] <apachelogger> and that it is actually calling kdesu directly is an abomination of KDE IMHO
[10:01] <apachelogger> Lex79: what deps did you changeß
[10:01] <apachelogger> ?
[10:02] <Lex79> a moment
[10:03] <apachelogger> Lex79: well, that is what you need to document
[10:04] <apachelogger> if one of the deps causes problems or something, I will open the changelog and search for the package name
[10:04] <Lex79> apachelogger: old control http://paste.ubuntu.com/49226/
[10:04] <Lex79> pbuilder doesn't build with deps in old control
[10:04] <Lex79> sorry
[10:04] <Lex79> build works
[10:05] <Lex79> but broken install
[10:05] <Lex79> now is ok
[10:06] <Lex79> the maintainer has gnome and has not noticed the problem
[10:08] <apachelogger> well, from looking at it, it seriously looks weird
[10:09] <apachelogger> Lex79: I'll have to do the kaffeine codec installation fix before I can give it a full revu
[10:09] <apachelogger> just verbosify the changelog for now
[10:11] <Lex79> ok
[10:12] <apachelogger> maybe stdin can take a look at it ;-)
[10:14] <jeroen-> thats strange
[10:14] <Lex79> thanks ;)
[10:14] <jeroen-> when I open a link in konversation (intrepid) it opens thunderbird
[10:14] <jeroen-> 1. that should be a browser
[10:14] <jeroen-> 2. thunderbird should not be installed by default
[10:15] <jeroen-> fresh alpha 6
[10:16] <apachelogger> jeroen-: how fresh is that fresh?
[10:16] <jeroen-> apachelogger: from cd
[10:16] <apachelogger> hm
[10:16] <apachelogger> no good!
[10:16] <jeroen-> maybe some dependecy
[10:17] <apachelogger> yes
[10:17] <apachelogger> jeroen-: run apt-get remove thunderbird and tell me which packages that would remove
[10:17] <jeroen-> another problem is that kde4 doesnt remember my 1280x1024 resolution
[10:17] <jeroen-> it always want 1600xsomethinh
[10:17] <jeroen-> but when I go to settings > display it is set ok
[10:18] <jeroen-> apachelogger: I will
[10:18] <jeroen-> apachelogger: only thunderbird is removed
[10:18] <stdin> Lex79: I'd change the build-dep on cdbs to (>= 0.4.51). because that's what kde4libs has and to remove the ubuntu part
[10:18] <stdin> Lex79: and it'll be good to number the patches
[10:19] <apachelogger> jeroen-: then it is probably some recommends and not a dependency that pulls thunderbird in
[10:19] <jeroen-> well I didnt yet install something by hand, except mysql-server
[10:19] <apachelogger> that might already be enough to pull thunderbird in really
[10:20] <Lex79> stdin: ok
[10:21] <apachelogger> jeroen-: please report a bug against kubuntu-meta, and assign it to me
[10:21] <apachelogger> this certainly needs some investigation
[10:22] <jeroen-> apachelogger: I will if I have everything in order
[10:22] <jeroen-> apachelogger: you mean the thunderbird-bug?
[10:22] <apachelogger> yes
[10:22] <jeroen-> or the resolution-bug?
[10:22] <apachelogger> resolution is already reported
[10:22] <jeroen-> ok
[10:22] <jeroen-> great
[10:22] <jeroen-> I will later this day
[10:23] <apachelogger> stdin: -(~/.kde/share/config:$)-> cat kaffeinerc | grep xine
[10:23] <apachelogger> xine-engine+ffmpeg=true
[10:24] <stdin> Last Service Desktop Name=xine_part
[10:24] <stdin> apachelogger: and actually, adding "return" after QApplication.exit(#) does stop it from looping ;)
[10:25] <apachelogger> stdin: after which one?
[10:25] <apachelogger> jtechidna, Riddell: ping
[10:25] <stdin> apachelogger: in run(self),  the two before the os.system() stuff
[10:26] <stdin> I think it's the one after "if not self.installer():" mostly
[10:26] <apachelogger> hm
[10:27] <apachelogger> no, I don't like the installer, and I even less like it's QA
[10:27] <stdin> yeah, it does leave a lot to be desired
[10:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: pong
[10:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: do we have a replacement for adept_batch?
[10:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: install-package
[10:28] <apachelogger> thanks
[10:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: what for?
[10:29] <apachelogger> Riddell: kaffeine's codec installer
[10:32] <Riddell> oh yes, thanks
[10:32] <Riddell> well I guess I should blog about having saved the planet
[10:34] <apachelogger> hehe
[10:35] <apachelogger> stdin: is the script looping in itself?
[10:35]  * apachelogger is wondering how installDistroCodec would be accessed without codec argument
[11:00]  * jussi01 sighs... still cant get qt4-designer to work
[11:11] <stdin> apachelogger: doesn't look like it loops itself
[11:12] <stdin> __init__() calls run() which calls QApplication.exit()
[11:13] <stdin> that thing needs a rewrite though
[11:16]  * Lex79 is away: Per ora assente
[11:17] <jeroen-> why not using oxygen-icons in the intrepid kde3 applications?
[11:18] <Riddell> no easy way to do that
[11:18] <Riddell> openoffice would be more important
[11:18] <jeroen-> well I did it in hardy myself
[11:19] <jeroen-> yes openoffice is also important
[11:28]  * apachelogger had an oxygen -> kde3 script once
[11:28] <apachelogger> got lost I think :S
[11:28] <apachelogger> stdin: yes ... in cpp
[11:29] <jeroen-> apachelogger: well I still have tar0file
[11:31] <jeroen-> anyhow - I can't add non-kde-apps to the panel - it only add a .desktop-file
[11:33] <apachelogger> feel free to find the cause
[11:38] <jeroen-> and the amarok collection is not showing the songs
[11:38] <jeroen-> apachelogger: I am not a programmer, I just notice things
[11:47]  * Lex79 is back.
[12:19] <apachelogger> stdin: the return isn't the most awesome solution, but it should do for an SRU :)
[12:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17828577/kaffeine_0.8.6-2ubuntu1_to_ubuntu2.diff
[12:43] <jtechidna> apachelogger: plong
[12:43] <jtechidna> oh
[12:51] <nixternal> apachelogger: how is powerdevil thus far?
[12:55] <apachelogger> nixternal: missing a systray/plasmoid thing
[12:55] <apachelogger> other than that better than gpm TBH
[12:55] <nixternal> groovy, will have to give it a try
[12:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: that quilt refresh seems a bit more than a refresh, e.g. it adds +#include <kdebug.h>
[12:57] <apachelogger> hum, faulty merge indeed
[12:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: please remove that
[12:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: kconfig.h as well
[12:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: uploaded, thanks
[13:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll prepare the SRU later
[13:01]  * apachelogger leaves for a coffee
[13:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: SRU?
[13:04] <rgreening> Riddell: hey
[13:04] <Riddell> morning rgreening, Qt still compiling here
[13:04] <rgreening> lol
[13:05] <rgreening> slow PC
[13:05] <rgreening> :)
[13:05] <Riddell> I fell asleep yesterday I'm afraid, tired after winning a marathon
[13:05] <rgreening> lol.. what marathon?
[13:05] <rgreening> and good job
[13:05] <Riddell> a canoe one
[13:05] <rgreening> ah right... cool
[13:06] <rgreening> no lightning
[13:06] <rgreening> :P
[13:07] <rgreening> well, qt 4.4.2 has been working for me for last 24 h. No issues have popped up with it that I can see.
[13:10] <rgreening> hey... anyone can help me with alien issue? "dpkg-gencontrol: error: current host architecture 'i386' does not appear in package's architecture list (amd64)"?
[13:10] <rgreening> It's a source RPM...
[13:10] <rgreening> Is there a way I can force alien to extract the src RPM on diff ARCH?
[13:11] <Riddell> are you sure it's src?  that would be platform independent
[13:11] <rgreening> I know... that's why I am stumped. FOund this online at OpenSuSE: libqt4-jambi-4.4.0-5.7.src.rpm
[13:11] <rgreening> trying to see what they did
[13:14] <Riddell> interesting, they hadn't packaged it last I looked (ages ago)
[13:14] <rgreening> ya.. it's def Alpha quality RPM.. haha
[13:14] <rgreening> :)
[13:15] <rgreening> I dont thinks it was in the "release" stage yet
[13:15] <Riddell> rgreening: where did you find that?  it's not in factory
[13:15] <rgreening> nope... hmm... can't remember the link. It was OpenSuSE though...
[13:15] <Riddell> google knows it not
[13:15] <rgreening> 1 sec....
[13:15] <rgreening> let me see if I can re-find it.
[13:16] <Riddell> ah hah http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Qt44/openSUSE_Factory/src/libqt4-jambi-4.4.0-5.3.src.rpm
[13:17] <Riddell> fakeroot alien libqt4-jambi-4.4.0-5.3.src.rpm  works here
[13:19] <rgreening> http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/3/srodzaj/2/search/libqt4-jambi-4.4.0-5.7.src.rpm
[13:19] <rgreening> cool.. let me try
[13:21] <rgreening> I get same err on the 5.7 on.. let me get the 5.3 one
[13:22] <rgreening> ok.. what's up with my system... I get the same error with i386 (amd64)
[13:25] <rgreening> Riddell? Are you running a i386 or amd64?
[13:26] <rgreening> Riddell: the src has debian/co0ntrol with amd64 in it
[13:37] <Riddell> rgreening: what command are you running?
[13:37] <Riddell> oh, are you trying to build it?  I doubt that'll ever work
[13:39] <Riddell> borrow the patches and build rules, but I wouldn't try just building an alien'ed RPM
[13:57] <Riddell> rgreening: qt compiles and works, all looks good so I'll upload
[14:02] <rgreening> 1 sec...
[14:02] <rgreening> cool.
[14:02] <rgreening> :)
[14:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: hardy's kaffeine is looping as well
[14:51] <seele> huh.. what's crashing on startup in alpha 6?  and then the "crash" bubble crashes..
[14:52]  * rgreening patiently awaits K3B for KDE4...
[14:53]  * jussi01 saw sexy new libnotify today... 
[14:54]  * rgreening wants to be KDE3 free one day
[14:56]  * apachelogger never liked the crash bubble
[14:57] <jussi01> apachelogger: when do we get the new libnotify in hardy? and is it in intrepid yet?
[14:58] <apachelogger> if I care a little about about kaffeine, I probably don't care at all about libnotify :P
[14:58] <jussi01> rofl...
[14:58] <jussi01> but its so nice.. http://omploader.org/vcmto
[14:58] <rgreening> Riddell: looks like compiz 0.7.7 (some svn release) is currently in intrepid and 0.7.8 is out. Can we bump to 0.7.8? If so, I can work on packaging it
[14:59] <rgreening> OMFG.. that notify ROX
[14:59] <rgreening> I care about it.. :)
[14:59] <rgreening> wow
[14:59] <jussi01> :D
[15:00]  * rgreening searches for source...
[15:02] <Riddell> rgreening: dunno, you'd need to ask the compiz packagers (there might be a #ubuntu-compiz)
[15:02] <rgreening> kk...
[15:04] <nixternal> jussi01: you compile that libnotify yourself?
[15:04] <nixternal> I want to get rid of the crappy old one
[15:04] <rgreening> Riddell: no such channel :)
[15:04] <rgreening> popped a msg on ubuntu-devel
[15:04] <jussi01> nixternal: nope. its not mine, got that from sput in #quassel (the quassel lead dev... )
[15:05] <nixternal> ahh, I was wondering why I hadn't seen anything new from Galago
[15:06] <jussi01> nixternal: I was hoping we could have it in intrepid, and then hardy, so I would get it :D
[15:06] <jussi01> cause it is "teh sexiness"
[15:07] <nixternal> I am taking it he redid libnotify with qt
[15:08] <apachelogger> sput didn't do that really :P
[15:08] <apachelogger> jussi01: where is the source anyway?
[15:09] <seele> argh.. can someone tell me how to kill the notify bubbles that crashed?  i can't access any of my system tray icons
[15:09] <jussi01> no idea, Im asking sput now...
[15:09] <apachelogger> seele: just deactivate apport ... /etc/default/apport IIRC
[15:09] <seele> apachelogger: i dont know what that means
[15:10] <apachelogger> well, kdesudo kate THATFILE
[15:10] <apachelogger> there is a line sayin 'enabled=1' change the 1 to a 0 save the file
[15:10] <apachelogger> then a relogin should make that thing disappear I guess
[15:11] <rgreening> jussi01: if you get the source, I can work on building it (assuming someone wishes to accept into upstream {pretty please - haha})
[15:11] <apachelogger> would need a feature freeze exception
[15:11] <jussi01> rgreening: soon as I find out where it is Ill let you know
[15:12] <seele> apachelogger: didn't work :-/
[15:12] <rgreening> :)
[15:12] <apachelogger> seele: no clue then, Riddell probably knows
[15:12] <rgreening> apachelogger: It may well be worth it. The existing one is god awful and takes away from the whole plasma/KDE4 experience IMHO. This would be a great benefit.
[15:12] <apachelogger> well
[15:13] <apachelogger> last I checked the plasma integration was pretty 4.2ish
[15:13] <jussi01> [17:12:00] <Sput> jussi01: uhm?
[15:13] <jussi01> [17:12:07] <Sput> jussi01: I'm running KDE trunk
[15:13] <apachelogger> see
[15:13] <rgreening> doh
[15:13] <jussi01> [17:12:29] <Sput> knotify should be part of kdebase
[15:13] <rgreening> hrmph
[15:13]  * jussi01 cries...
[15:13]  * rgreening wishes KDE4.2 was out
[15:16]  * jussi01 wishes ksnapshot had an "upload to imagebin" button...
[15:18]  * apachelogger thinks jussi01 should implement that :P
[15:19] <Tm_T> I just use import and save directly to server, sshfs <3
[15:19] <Tm_T> sleep 5 ; import -window root /mnt/ssh-kapsi/sites/www.tm-travolta.net/www/shots/current_1.png
[15:20] <Tm_T> like that, for example
[15:20]  * apachelogger uses ksnapshot and save directly to server
[15:20] <apachelogger> makes numbering easier
[15:20] <Tm_T> apachelogger: that too (:)
[15:21] <seele> apachelogger: ah, on reboot it worked, but there are two blank spaces where the icons ought to be
[15:21] <apachelogger> weird
[15:22] <Nightrose> apachelogger: wohoooooooo
[15:22] <Nightrose> new neon build
[15:22] <Nightrose> what did you do?
[15:22]  * seele wonders why brainstorm doesn't use openid
[15:22]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger 
[15:23] <apachelogger> Nightrose: Oo
[15:23] <apachelogger> without kdelibs?
[15:23] <apachelogger> how did that work
[15:23]  * Tm_T wonders how I can use launchpad.net openid elsewhere
[15:23] <Nightrose> apachelogger: dunno - i am installing a new amarok neon
[15:23] <apachelogger> hm
[15:23] <apachelogger> fair enough
[15:24] <Nightrose> apachelogger: did you fix anything or did it fix itself?
[15:24] <apachelogger> I build qt 4.4.2
[15:24] <Nightrose> ah
[15:24] <Nightrose> cool
[15:24] <Nightrose> thanks :)
[15:28] <Riddell> Tm_T: yes, if the site accepts it
[15:28] <Tm_T> Riddell: ah, will try that then
[15:28]  * Tm_T had/have issues with ubuntu.com wiki at times
[15:29] <Riddell> seele: killall update-notifier-kde ?
[15:31] <seele> Riddell: oh, i was killing knotify heh
[15:31] <seele> Riddell: apachelogger's option worked though
[15:39] <seele> argh.. 1000 word limit?  what a stupid application
[15:40] <seele> how am i going to cut out 500+ words
[16:12] <rgreening> I think desktop-effects.kde4 is b0rked. Still wants to run adept_batch, which is part of the old adept and not ver 3
[16:12] <Riddell> hmm, needs updating
[16:12] <rgreening> a job for me
[16:12] <rgreening> :)
[16:12] <Riddell> ooh
[16:12] <rgreening> it needs that install function right
[16:13] <rgreening> or should we write an adept_batch wrapper for the install
[16:14] <Riddell> rgreening: it needs changed to use install-package
[16:14] <rgreening> kk. getting package src
[17:20]  * Lex79 is away: Per ora assente
[17:32] <Artemis_Fowl> apachelogger: the status of the bugs I fixed will be automatically set as "Fix Released" as soon as Intrepid is released or will I have to manually set them?
[18:00] <jtechidna> Artemis_Fowl: they will stay open until you either close them manually or include (LP: #bugnumberhere) in the debian changelog
[18:40] <seele> Riddell: regarding app config files, do you want the rc files or diffs?
[18:41] <Riddell> seele: diffs to what?
[18:41] <seele> the app rc files?
[18:41] <seele> for default window sizes..
[18:42] <Riddell> either is fine
[18:47] <rgreening> ok, so I goto kubuntu wiki to create a page. It tries to log me in via OpenID and fires me to the ubuntu wiki. Any ideas?
[18:48] <Riddell> it's the same wiki
[18:48] <Riddell> but the login doesn't work with browsers other than firefox
[18:48] <rgreening> OMG.
[18:48] <rgreening> Konq doesn't work with it?
[18:48] <rgreening> grr
[18:48] <rgreening> lol
[18:48] <rgreening> I hate ff
[18:49]  * rgreening would prefer qt ff
[19:05]  * seele is totally confused
[19:05] <seele> in alpha 5, the selection button in okular didn't fit in the toolbar.  in alpha 6 it does
[19:05] <seele> but afaik neither okular nor any of the rc defaults have been updated
[19:06] <seele> is the default system font size different? how does this stuff keep changing?
[19:06] <seele> oh and in alpha 4 it fit like in alpha 6
[19:07]  * seele falls over
[19:09]  * Riddell waves some smelling salts
[19:09] <Riddell> default font size hasn't changed on our side
[19:09] <Riddell> possibly on X or something
[20:09] <yuriy> yay apachelogger! no more whining from the codec looping bug!
[20:15] <Arby_> apachelogger: bug 271852, is there some launchpad foo to forward bugs upstream?
[20:15] <Arby_> or do I just create a new report on bugs.k.o and link the two
[20:16] <Arby_> nevermind, found it.
[20:26] <jcastro> Arby_: yep, that's the way to do it!
[20:27] <Arby_> jcastro: thanks
[20:29] <jcastro> Arby_: there are plenty of bugs like that that need an upstream report: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bugs?search=Search&field.status_upstream=pending_bugwatch
[20:29] <jcastro> if you're looking for something to do. :D
[20:30]  * Arby_ turns slightly pale
[20:30] <Arby_> but bokmarks that page for later
[20:30] <Arby_> *bookmarks
[20:31] <mcas> jcastro, i'll look at the page, too and try to forward some bugs
[20:33] <mcas> can someone please try if he can reproduce this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/273241
[20:33] <mcas> thx
[20:36] <Arby_> mcas looking
[20:37] <Arby_> what is meant by 'traditional' menu?
[20:37] <jtechidna> Arby_: not kickoff
[20:38] <mcas> jtechidna, i read about kubuntu-bugs
[20:38] <Arby_> hmm, I'll have to find out how to enable that
[20:38] <jtechidna> Arby_: right click the menu and select "Use classical menu"
[20:38] <jtechidna> mcas: cool
[20:39] <mcas> as a member of bug-control i'll try to do more triage in kde bugs
[20:40] <mcas> to give you some help for kubuntu-bugs
[20:40] <Arby_> mcas: I can't reproduce that, works fine here
[20:40] <Arby_> the guy is offering a screenshot, can't hurt
[20:41] <mcas> Arby, what graphic card do you use?
[20:42] <Arby_> mcas: lspci says
[20:42] <Arby_> Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[20:42] <Arby_> rnadom
[20:42] <Arby_> *random
[20:44] <mcas> thanks Arby_
[20:44] <Arby_> welcome
[20:56] <seele> jtechidna: ping
[20:56] <jtechidna> seele: pong
[20:57] <seele> jtechidna: i don't know what the option is called, but mouse navigation of virtual desktops is turned on by default?
[20:57] <seele> jtechidna: was it always like that or did you change it?
[20:57] <seele> jtechidna: (where you mouse to the top or bottom of your screen and it flips to the next desktop)
[20:57] <jtechidna> no, that's not on by default
[20:58] <seele> jtechidna: looks like it in alpha 6
[20:58] <jtechidna> weird
[20:58] <jtechidna> I haven't touched default-settings since right before alpha5 or so when we added the notes plasmoid to the default desktop
[20:59] <jtechidna> it's almost like it has a mind of its own :P
[20:59] <seele> jtechidna: do you know where the option is?  i haven't found it yet
[20:59] <jtechidna> not off the top of my head
[21:00] <jtechidna> ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc maybe
[21:03] <Riddell> testers needed for qt jambi packages http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/jambi/
[21:03] <Riddell> rgreening: ^^
[21:03] <rgreening> kk. got it
[21:04] <rgreening> what was the tweak to build qtjambi without phonon
[21:04] <goatsocks> --without-phonon? ;)
[21:04] <Riddell> rgreening: I had just linked /usr/share/qt4/lib to /usr/lib
[21:04] <Riddell> which confused it
[21:04] <Riddell> individual links as you advocated worked
[21:05] <Riddell> goatsocks: oh if only java were so easy
[21:05] <rgreening> lol
[21:05] <rgreening> so, no link for phonon.. meant no buildy for phonon
[21:05] <seele> jtechidna: oooh, so our default kwinrc is ok.  but the kwin rc file is not.
[21:05] <rgreening> hehe
[21:06] <rgreening> 'swas what I did
[21:06] <seele> jtechidna: although i guess we shouldnt worry about users who rm kwinrc
[21:06] <rgreening> Riddell: we will need to update libqt4-dev package to make hte correct links
[21:06] <rgreening> as well as libqt4-opengl-dev
[21:07] <goatsocks> bleh their ant buildfile doesn't provide any flags for disabling constituent libs
[21:07] <rgreening> goatsocks: it sot of does.. if one could decipher what they were doing
[21:07] <rgreening> s/sot/sort/
[21:08] <rgreening> we tried changeing if="qtjambi.phonon" to if="false".. no go
[21:08] <rgreening> I think it must be somewhere else to check
[21:08] <rgreening> bah.. ant
[21:08] <goatsocks> rgreening: it doesn't, that "if="qtjambi.phonon" is referring to a build target, not env var
[21:09] <rgreening> well, see there you go... I'm a baf00n
[21:09] <rgreening> :)
[21:09] <goatsocks> in ant, the convention for var names and target names are the same, so the confusion is understandable ;)
[21:19] <Arby_> how do I re-open a bug on bugs.kde.org?
[21:19] <Arby_> kde bug 140041 still exists but I can't see an option.
[21:19] <Arby_> clever bot :)
[21:22] <Riddell> Arby_: down at the bottom there should be a "reopen" radio
[21:23] <Arby_> Riddell: not for me.
[21:24] <Arby_> maybe I don't have the permissions to do it
[21:24] <Riddell> maybe not
[21:24] <Riddell> shall I reopen?
[21:25] <Riddell> Arby_: done
[21:25] <Arby_> please, apachelogger said I should
[21:25] <Arby_> thanks
[21:26]  * Arby_ returns to the kdepim buglist
[21:32] <rgreening> Riddell: qtjambi... beautiful.......... works like a charm here :)
[21:32] <rgreening> gtg to my Film class. later all :)
[21:49] <jtechidna> apachelogger: bug 273190, lol
[21:57] <Arby_> could someone look at bug 184168 and see if it's worth an upstream report?
[22:00] <yuriy> Arby_: I think so. It's a bug, and we ain't gonna fix it -> upstream.
[22:01] <yuriy> but importance low, can you set that?
[22:01] <Arby_> yuriy: no
[22:01] <Arby_> my membership expired
[22:02] <Arby_> I need to contact bdmurray or another admin to get it renewed
[22:02] <yuriy> ok, set
[22:02] <Arby_> thanks
[22:09] <seele> hmm.. is ktimetracker working for everyone else in alpha6?
[22:19] <Arby_> seele: seems to work here what's up with it?
[22:20] <Arby_> not that I use it often, I just happen to have kontact open
[22:20] <seele> Arby_: wont start at all
[22:20] <seele> no crash notification
[22:20] <Arby_> let me start it as a stand alone app
[22:20] <Arby_> see what happens
[22:22] <goatsocks> hm works fine in kontact, doesn't launch standalone
[22:22] <Arby_> yep same here
[22:22] <seele> should we take it out of kickoff until it gets fixed?  people can still access it via kontact
[22:22] <goatsocks> the .desktop entry must be hosed, because i can launch it standalone from the cli
[22:24] <Arby_> it's also missing an icon in kickoff
[22:24] <goatsocks> uh, why is the .desktop file launching it as: ktimetracker  -caption "%c"
[22:25]  * Arby_ grumbles at bugs.k.o for being painfully slow
[22:27] <Arby_> arrgh and now it's died with a software error :(
[22:27] <Arby_> right at the end of the report wizard :(
[22:27] <goatsocks> seele: is there a bug for this? i have a fix
[22:28] <goatsocks> actually i may as well fix the broken icon while i'm at it
[22:28] <goatsocks> ktimetracker's icon is missing in the menu for everyone else right?
[22:30] <Arby_> yes
[22:31] <Arby_> and in krunner, which probably gets it from the same place
[22:31] <seele> goatsocks: dunno, i was just doing qa when i found it
[22:35] <goatsocks> seele: try this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/49450/
[22:38] <seele> goatsocks: cool.  did you commit it?
[22:38] <Arby_> goatsocks: yep that works
[22:40] <goatsocks> seele: i'm just a lowly lurker, no super commit powers here ;)
[22:42] <thiblahute> Hi,
[22:42] <thiblahute>  I would like to get some help to get an kde4 development environment with ubuntu intrepid
[22:42] <thiblahute>  I would like to use Kdevelop, (3.5)
[22:42] <thiblahute> Is there any tutorial for that?
[22:43] <thiblahute> Cause I am getting trouble and spend a lot of time unsuccessfully
[22:43] <goatsocks> thiblahute: specifically for ubuntu i don't think so, but there's this: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Set_up_KDE_4_for_development#KDevelop
[22:44] <goatsocks> thiblahute: i'm not sure if anyone in here actually uses kdevelop
[22:44] <thiblahute> Is there anyway to use only kubuntu packages to do that?
[22:45] <thiblahute> goatsocks What do you use then?
[22:45] <goatsocks> thiblahute: all the tools on that page should be packaged in kubuntu/ubuntu
[22:46] <goatsocks> thiblahute: i'm a bit of an oddball, i use vim *and* emacs ;)
[22:46] <thiblahute> Ok, I don't need to follow this http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4 right?
[22:47] <goatsocks> are you planning on c++ development, or are you thinking of using the python bindings?
[22:48] <goatsocks> thiblahute: most of those instructions are geared towards contributing officially to KDE upstream, not general kde development, so no you can probably ignore most of that stuff
[22:50] <thiblahute> OK, thank you....Hope I will manage with it
[22:54] <Riddell> thiblahute: sudo apt-get install kdebase-workspace-dev  should do most things
[22:55] <Arby_> Riddell: goatsocks has a fix up there ^^ about 20 min back for a bug in ktimetracker.
[22:55] <Arby_> what do we need to do to get it into intrepid?
[22:55] <Arby_> rebuild with that patch?
[22:57] <goatsocks> imo the entire desktop file should be renamed from karm.desktop to ktimetracker.desktop, as almost everything else in the ktimetracker package has been
[22:57] <goatsocks> though that might break the upgrade path from kde 3
[22:59] <thiblahute> I have to set the enviroment variable...
[22:59] <thiblahute> Is that true?
[22:59] <thiblahute>  KDEDIRS > /usr/bin
[22:59] <thiblahute> KDEHOME > ~/.kde
[22:59] <thiblahute> LD_LIBRARY_PATH > /usr/lib
[22:59] <thiblahute>  BUt I don't know PKG_CONFIG_PATH and QT_PLUGIN_PATH
[23:00] <Riddell> Arby_: yep
[23:01] <Arby_> Riddell: do we need to rebuild all of kdepim or just ktimetracker?
[23:01] <goatsocks> thiblahute: QT_PLUGIN_PATH should be ${HOME}/.kde/lib/kde4/plugins/:/usr/lib/kde4/plugins/
[23:02] <goatsocks> cmake usually has no trouble determining PKG_CONFIG_PATH automatically
[23:03] <Riddell> Arby_: all of it (but we have build servers to do the actual building)
[23:03] <Arby_> Riddell: ah, I was going to volunteer to package it but maybe I don't need to then
[23:04] <Riddell> Arby_: having as a debdiff would be super useful
[23:05] <Arby_> I can try
[23:05] <Arby_> I've got the sources all here ready
[23:05] <Arby_> :)
[23:05] <Riddell> Arby_: put the patch in debian/patches with a name like kubuntu_01_sensible_description.diff
[23:05] <Riddell> add it to debian/patches/series
[23:05] <Arby_> done that
[23:06] <Riddell> run  make -f apply-patches  (I think) to test it applies
[23:06] <Riddell> dch -i  to add a changelog
[23:06] <Riddell> debuild -S
[23:06] <Arby_> it doesn't, already tried to debuild
[23:06] <Arby_> I think the path is wrong
[23:06] <Arby_> changelog already done
[23:06] <Riddell> the path is wrong
[23:07] <Arby_> what should +++ /usr/share/applications/kde4/karm.desktop be changed to
[23:07] <Riddell> dunno, make a backup of the file and edit it yourself then take a diff
[23:07] <Riddell> the file in the sources that is
[23:08] <goatsocks> the leading / should be removed at least
[23:09] <Arby_> the sources only seem to have karm_part.desktop
[23:09] <Arby_> which is different
[23:09] <Arby_> doesn't have the exec or icon lines
[23:09] <goatsocks> # dpkg -L ktimetracker | grep desktop
[23:09] <goatsocks> /usr/share/applications/kde4/karm.desktop
[23:09] <goatsocks> /usr/share/kde4/services/karm_part.desktop
[23:10] <goatsocks> /usr/share/kde4/services/kontact/ktimetracker_plugin.desktop
[23:10] <goatsocks> /usr/share/kde4/services/ktimetrackerconfig.desktop
[23:10] <goatsocks> it's definitely installed by the current ktimetracker package
[23:10] <Arby_> I agree
[23:10] <Arby_> but I can't see it in the source tree
[23:10] <goatsocks> maybe it's added via deb patch
[23:11] <Arby_> in the source tree
[23:11] <Arby_> ls ktimetracker/ | grep desktop
[23:11] <Arby_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.3K 2008-04-23 15:51 desktoptracker.cpp
[23:11] <Arby_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.2K 2008-09-22 22:00 karm_part.desktop
[23:11] <Arby_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.1K 2008-01-15 01:58 desktoplist.h
[23:11] <Arby_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2.3K 2008-04-23 15:51 desktoptracker.h
[23:12] <Riddell> find ktimetracker -name *desktop
[23:12] <Riddell> find ktimetracker -name \*desktop
[23:12] <Arby_> a ha
[23:12] <Arby_> thanks
[23:13] <Arby_> found it ktimetracker/support/karm.desktop
[23:14] <goatsocks> er Riddell beat me to it ;)
[23:14] <Arby_> my shell foo is weak :(
[23:15] <Arby_> seems to have gone through now :)
[23:17] <Arby_> ok it's late, I'm going to leave this building and make a debdiff in the morning