[00:52] <haydn> Hey everyone I was hoping someone could help me trouble shoot a crash. I'm not sure where to start
[01:14] <jadams> I just did an update on my laptop (ati graphics) and now X won't start due to conflicting ABI versions
[01:51] <EvilDaemon> jadams: thats not good. are you on irssi then?
[01:52] <RAOF> jadams: That'll be the fact that fglrx doesn't support our X server.  Just remove xorg-driver-fglrx, and move your xorg.conf out of the way.
[02:10] <majnoon> how get intrepid ??
[02:12] <danbh_intrepid> update-manager -d
[02:13] <Hobbsee> majnoon: if you have to ask, you *probably* shouldn't be running it
[02:14] <majnoon> :P:P:P:P:P
[02:18] <acuster> hey all, how do I force installation of a package (it's source code with a trivial version difference)
[02:18] <acuster> dpkg --force-all is not working
[02:18] <acuster> is there some more persuasive flag to pass?
[02:22] <RAOF> acuster: No.  We'd need the dpkg error message to give you any more help.
[02:25] <acuster> okay, thanks. I'll pass on this for now and keep working.
[02:46] <blur2040>  I have a fiddly little issue with with synaptic under Intrepid Ibex.  No matter which repository I set, Synaptic isn't showing all pacakges.  Two examples are Nethack and Compizconfig-settings manager.  I can see them in aptitude and the add/remove applications program, but not under synaptic.  It's driving me nuts.  Any ideas?
[03:03] <blur2040> Has anyone had any issues with getting Synaptic to recognize all available packages under intrepid ibex?
[03:07] <mn> Is alpha 6 the last alpha release?
[03:07] <blur2040> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[03:28] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/261318
[03:28] <DanaG> grr.
[03:31] <Hobbsee> mn: yes
[03:32] <mn> k thx
[03:32] <mn> :)
[03:34] <blur2040> I have a case of the intrepid blues
[04:25] <`Matir> is it possible to install an i386 .deb on amd64?
[04:26] <_Zeus_> it is
[04:26] <RAOF> Yes, but there's no guarantee it'll work.
[04:26] <_Zeus_> use dpkg -x i think
[04:26] <_Zeus_> try man dpkg
[04:27] <RAOF> dpkg --install --force-architecure will install it.  But it's entirely possible that doing so will overwrite a 64bit library that you need, and hence break your 64bit apps.
[04:27] <_Zeus_> yes, so use carefully
[04:30] <`Matir> yeah, just been thinking about trying Lotus Symphony
[04:40] <redlegion> hello all!
[04:40] <redlegion> I have a quick question (at least, I hope)
[04:41] <redlegion> I'm trying to roll my own *.deb of xmms 1.2
[04:41] <redlegion> oh, well crap, nevermind then! just changed /debian/rules
[04:41] <redlegion> thanks anyways!
[04:44] <redlegion> i really need to check out the significance of LDFLAGS
[04:50] <TeslaTony> Are there any known major issues with upgrading from 8.04 to 8.10?
[04:50] <redlegion> i dunno, i had weird nvidia driver issues
[04:51] <redlegion> i had to force a kernel reinstall after grabbing the latest 177
[04:51] <RAOF> If there are, they're documented on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview I believe.
[04:51] <RAOF> If, by "grabbing the latest 177", you mean "downloading and installing the drivers from nvidia.com", please don't :)
[04:52] <TeslaTony> What's wrong with the NVidia drivers?
[04:52] <RAOF> Nothing, as far as I'm aware.  As long as you're using the packaged drivers, everything should be fine.
[04:53] <RAOF> Oh, and as long as you've got a > geforce4 card.
[04:53] <TeslaTony> I always have trouble with the open source drivers, but the restricted ones that Ubuntu fetches for me work
[04:54] <TeslaTony> Or at least with previous installs
[04:56] <redlegion> noooo, I just used the restricted repository
[04:56] <redlegion> it's a pain in the ass to rebuild for every kernel patch
[04:56] <redlegion> pretty much why i don't build my own kernel anymore
[04:56] <RAOF> Right.  And they won't actually install from nvidia.com without a patch anyway.
[04:57] <intangir> hey where can i download the new release?
[04:57] <intangir> from torrents
[04:57] <intangir> wheres the torrent file i mean, i want to get it
[04:58] <TeslaTony> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-6/
[04:58] <TeslaTony> You need to scroll down a bit, but the torrent files are there
[04:59] <intangir> is it working for yall?
[05:05] <intangir> i need new releases 2 or so times a year just so i can start fresh after screwing up my installs ;)
[05:06] <intangir> install too much junk and it just gets to be too big of a pain in the ass to slim down, easier to just reinstall what i still use
[05:08] <dfgas> how do i get my kernel to panic on purpose? i want to try something.
[05:10] <RAOF> dfgas: Write a tiny module that dereferences a null pointer?
[05:15] <BHSPitMonkey> divide by zero
[05:16] <_Zeus_> divide by zero will cause a kernel panic?
[05:18] <RAOF> Not unless it's in a kernel module.
[05:19] <RAOF> _Zeus_: Basically, you're either going to have to find and exploit a kernel bug, or write a small kernel module.  I don't believe there's a magic "make the kernel panic" button.
[05:23] <dfgas> darn, heh
[05:24] <RAOF> You want to test out the new crashdump/kerneloops facilities?
[05:27] <TeslaTony> There is indeed a magic "Make the kernel panic" button. Unfortunately, it only works on Ubuntu Unreasonable Unicorn for now
[05:42] <majnoon> it no let me upgrade
[06:06] <cwillu> doesn't killing init cause a panic?
[06:06] <RAOF> Really?  Why would it?
[06:07] <RAOF> You're welcome to test :)
[06:07] <cwillu> I just recall seeing "kernel panic: tried to kill init" somewhere
[06:07] <RAOF> Hm.  Maybe it does.  I'm not sure why it would, though.
[06:07]  * cwillu grabs a test machine
[06:10] <intangir> k well here goes
[06:10] <cwillu> just respawns
[06:10] <intangir> gonna run it
[06:10] <intangir> oh gotta burn it first..
[06:10] <cwillu> :p
[06:10] <musikgoat|lappy> !flash
[06:11] <danbh_intrepid> !bang?
[06:11] <cwillu> **bang**!
[06:11] <cwillu> awww, beat me to it
[06:11] <danbh_intrepid> lol
[06:11] <cwillu> I knew I shouldn't have spent the time to add the !
[06:11] <yao_ziyuan> does anyone successfully install kde 4.1.1 on intrepid?
[06:11] <musikgoat|lappy> anyone know if there are issues with flash from a firefox install request?
[06:11] <yao_ziyuan> my kde 4.1.1 doesn't let me log in after upgrading to intrepid alpha 6
[06:12] <yao_ziyuan> i am using this line:
[06:12] <yao_ziyuan> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main
[06:13] <danbh_intrepid> what version does kubuntu have?
[06:13] <yao_ziyuan> i don't know
[06:13] <musikgoat|lappy> *issues instaling flash
[06:13] <Hobbsee> !info kdebase-runtime
[06:13] <yao_ziyuan> but i use ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4's packages
[06:13] <yao_ziyuan> they have kde 4.1.1
[06:14] <yao_ziyuan> maybe i should reinstall kde
[06:14] <Hobbsee> jussi01: where's ubottu?
[06:14] <Hobbsee>   Candidate: 4:4.1.1-0ubuntu4
[06:14] <intangir> OMG ITS BURNIIING!
[06:14] <danbh_intrepid> maybe you should try the regular repos, it looks like they have 4.1.1 too
[06:14] <Hobbsee> anyway, intrepid has 4.1.1
[06:14] <yao_ziyuan> ok
[06:14] <intangir> BuUuUUuUrRrrrRRrrRNnnIiiNNng it!
[06:14]  * Hobbsee wonders if the strange way of upgrading yesterday played a part in all this.
[06:15] <yao_ziyuan> installing
[06:15] <yao_ziyuan> hoho
[06:15] <yao_ziyuan> Hobbsee: no strange way. i am using update-manager -d
[06:15] <yao_ziyuan> *was
[06:16] <Hobbsee> right
[06:18] <musikgoat|lappy> cant play flash, like youtube, on a freshly updated clean install of alpha 5, anyone heard of any problems with FF not seeing the flash install?
[06:18] <yao_ziyuan> by the way,
[06:19] <danbh_intrepid> musikgoat|lappy: 32bit?
[06:19] <yao_ziyuan> currently when i try to log into kde 4.1.1, it says: "No greeter widget plugin loaded. Check the configuration." and then enters a text-only console.
[06:19] <musikgoat|lappy> yes
[06:19] <danbh_intrepid> nope, no problems here
[06:19] <musikgoat|lappy> hmm, was it "seemless" for you?
[06:19] <musikgoat|lappy> like no install process?
[06:20] <danbh_intrepid> wait, did you actually install flash yet?
[06:20] <danbh_intrepid> no, I installed it
[06:20] <musikgoat|lappy> i got the popup and tried
[06:20] <musikgoat|lappy> then restarted ff, and it still asks to install
[06:20] <danbh_intrepid> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[06:21] <musikgoat|lappy> kk, trying that out, thanks
[06:21] <danbh_intrepid> I found I never got a popup on youtube, because youtube would detect and send me to a oops, you have no flash page
[06:22] <yao_ziyuan> i can see why now
[06:22] <yao_ziyuan> they use different naming
[06:22] <musikgoat|lappy> danbh_intrepid: tbh, i'd get the popup at my homepage, netvibes, cause there is some flash request or something, but youtube gives me the same message as you
[06:22] <yao_ziyuan> ppa.launchpad.net's kde 4.1.1 use names like "kmix-kde4"
[06:22] <yao_ziyuan> while intrepid official repos uses "kmix"
[06:23] <yao_ziyuan> so i must do a reinstall from intrepid official repos
[06:23] <danbh_intrepid> yao_ziyuan: why again?
[06:23] <musikgoat|lappy> it will be interesting how ubuntu goes about making flash "seemless" if you are going to need the restricted extras package.
[06:23] <danbh_intrepid> yao_ziyuan: cant you just remove the repo, and then remove the packages through synaptic?
[06:24] <RAOF> musikgoat|lappy: By hooking into the "you need to install plugins to view $THING" system, as we currently do?
[06:24] <danbh_intrepid> musikgoat|lappy: well, that installer used to work
[06:24] <musikgoat|lappy> thanks danbh_intrepid worked fine
[06:24] <musikgoat|lappy> oh
[06:24] <danbh_intrepid> musikgoat|lappy: I use the restricted-extras package just because it makes it easier...
[06:25] <musikgoat|lappy> ahh, and knocks out a couple of other tools needed for a new setup
[06:25] <musikgoat|lappy> thanks
[06:26] <yao_ziyuan> danbh_intrepid: i am doing so
[06:39] <klos> hey anyone got some information about the artwork remake ?
[06:39] <klos> is it going to be delayed?
[06:41] <yao_ziyuan> will there be any betas between alpha 6 and final release?
[06:41] <klos> yep usually one beta
[06:42] <yao_ziyuan> also, does "kubuntu-desktop" in intrepid means kde4?
[06:49] <darthanubis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=791746
[06:50] <darthanubis> October 2nd
[06:50] <darthanubis>     * Beta Release
[06:50] <darthanubis> October 23rd
[06:50] <darthanubis>  * ReleaseCandidate
[06:59] <intangir> ok i just tried to run the alpha
[06:59] <intangir> it didnt boot up the graphics right at all
[06:59] <intangir> the Xorg didnt come up right at all
[06:59] <intangir> looked like a lot of verticle flashing lines
[06:59] <intangir> also my text mode was totally freaked up too so i couldnt even use text mode
[06:59] <Lynoure> intangir: Which graphics card?
[06:59] <intangir> nvidia 6800
[07:00] <darthanubis> my alpha 5 install went that way as well
[07:00] <darthanubis> nvidia 8400gs here
[07:00] <intangir> all the previous versions since like breazy worked for me but this one..
[07:00] <intangir> how do you get it going?
[07:00] <darthanubis> Breezy?
[07:01] <intangir> ya
[07:01] <darthanubis> oh since
[07:01] <RAOF> intangir: Probably by installing nvidia-glx-177
[07:01] <intangir> ya every relaese since thing has booted without issue except for this one
[07:01] <RAOF> (The nvidia-glx-177 package, I mean)
[07:01] <intangir> can i do that on the install CD?
[07:01] <darthanubis> yes
[07:01] <RAOF> Oh, this is on the liveCD?
[07:02] <RAOF> intangir: Please file a bug against the xserver-xorg-video-nv package, then.
[07:02] <intangir> hwo can i tell if its even using nv?
[07:02] <intangir> i have no idea what its even using
[07:02] <RAOF> Because you're on the livecd, it's using nv.
[07:03] <RAOF> You can check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to confirm.
[07:03] <intangir> well ... the nv package worked for me before
[07:03] <intangir> ok ill try it this time
[07:03] <intangir> so i nstall nvidia-glx-177, then what?
[07:03] <RAOF> Indeed.  That would make this a regression, which (a) is generally easier to track down, and (b) we really, really care about!
[07:03] <intangir> how do i make it use it?
[07:04] <RAOF> Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf to add "nvidia" as the driver.  Alternatively, if you're in X now, you can use the Restricted Manager.
[07:04] <intangir> im not on the intrepid right now
[07:05] <intangir> also i checked my xorg.conf and it had practically nothing
[07:05] <RAOF> That's right, they don't have much anymore.
[07:05] <intangir> so i dont know where to add nvidia anymore
[07:05] <intangir> i used to just replace nv with nvidia
[07:05] <intangir> but its gone
[07:05] <RAOF> But please file a bug! (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Reporting may help you)
[07:05] <intangir> let me boot again and grab that log
[07:11] <BHSPitMonkey> intangir, search the file for "driver"
[07:15] <intangir> i got it running
[07:15] <intangir> what a pain in the ass though
[07:15] <intangir> did it 100% blind
[07:15] <intangir> i couldnt see a freaking thing
[07:15] <intangir> i  ctrl-alt-F2
[07:15] <intangir> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-177
[07:16] <intangir> pressed y [enter]
[07:16] <intangir> hehehehe
[07:16] <intangir> waited a few minutes
[07:16] <intangir> sudo nvidi[tab]xconfig
[07:16] <intangir> and then ctrl-alt-F7 and ctrl-alt-backspaced
[07:16] <intangir> hehehehe it came up! :) weee
[07:17] <astraljava> intangir: Why not use envyng? It does the config part for ya. :) Though you have to have been using it before if you needed to go blindly at it.
[07:17] <intangir> i tried envy once and it had a great little setup gui
[07:17] <intangir> but it was .. in X
[07:17] <astraljava> It has a text-mode too.
[07:17] <astraljava> `sudo envyng -t`
[07:17] <intangir> i am not familiar with that ;) so i doubt i can do it blind hahah
[07:18] <astraljava> Yeah that's true. :)
[07:18] <intangir> the titlebars look glitched sometimes, you notice that?
[07:19] <RAOF> intangir: Yeah; nvidia bug.
[07:19] <RAOF> Lo
[07:19] <RAOF> (Longstanding nvidia bug)
[07:20] <astraljava> Hmm... I haven't noticed that. Wonder why.
[07:20] <RAOF> You don't use compiz?
[07:20] <astraljava> Ahhhh... that's why. :)
[07:20] <astraljava> No, I hate the damned thing.
[07:21] <RAOF> Right.  Then you won't be expereincing _any_ of the driver bugs compiz exposes ;)
[07:21] <astraljava> ...and I thank my lucky stars, then. :)
[07:21] <intangir> my text mode ttys or whatever are still all glitched to crap
[07:22] <astraljava> Those might not be corrected until you reboot. It's a separate thing to X, which can be corrected by the way you already did, Ctrl+Alt+Backspace.
[07:23] <astraljava> Not sure about that, though.
[07:23] <intangir> i thought that was just for X
[07:23] <intangir> lets see
[07:23] <intangir> ~ya that does nothing to the text ones
[07:23] <intangir> i havent installed yet
[07:23] <intangir> and i think im gonna give this a bit more review before i try it..
[07:23] <astraljava> Oh I should have been clearer, they _definitely_ are separate from X. :)
[07:24] <intangir> ya thats whats weird
[07:24] <astraljava> And thus Ctrl+Alt+Backspace do nothing for them.
[07:24] <intangir> if X is erroring, why are my text ttys so screwd up
[07:24] <intangir> i think it has to do with trying to use vesa, or displaying the intro graphic while loading
[07:24] <astraljava> But what bit I'm not sure of, is that whether reboot only fixes them or if there is another way.
[07:25] <RAOF> The VTs can be corrupted in any number of ways.
[07:25] <RAOF> Although I'd expect the binary nvidia drivers to not kill them like that.
[07:25] <intangir> it was ruined before i got the nvidia driversw
[07:25] <RAOF> Maybe the problem is a framebuffer driver?
[07:26] <RAOF> Yeah, but switching to X and then back to another VT should make the nvidia driver clean up the VT state.
[07:26] <intangir> well i gotta crash though
[07:26] <intangir> thanks guys
[07:26] <intangir> see ya tomarrow probably
[07:30] <bullgard4> !interpunction intangir
[07:53] <cwillu> what's an interpunction?
[07:53]  * cwillu sighs
[07:54] <cwillu> 2 hours to download (based on the time as reported after downloading for 20 minutes or so), so I watch two hours of dawkins.  I come back, and I'm 66% done the downloads, with only 2 hours and 6 minutes remaining
[07:54] <cwillu> dear god, I've invented a time machine!
[07:55] <motorizer> cwillu lamer :)
[08:07] <TeslaTony> Are there many likely problems that I'll have if I install on a system that has kubuntu-kde4-desktop package installed, plus an LXDE desktop environment installed?
[08:08] <TeslaTony> (on top of the current GNOME desktop)
[08:08] <cwillu> are you gonna be upset if I suggest that you're testing it so that we can find out any such issues?
[08:09] <TeslaTony> I might cry a little...
[08:09] <cwillu> will you take pictures?
[08:09] <TeslaTony> I have two cameras
[08:09] <cwillu> consider it suggested, show me the pics
[08:09] <TeslaTony> I'll put a video on youtube
[08:09] <cwillu> sweet :)
[08:11] <DanaG> My next laptop will have Intel's AMT... so I should be able to grab screenshots even on the BIOS screen.
[08:12] <TeslaTony> It'd be cool to get a video of the full boot process
[08:12] <TeslaTony> Without using a camera
[08:14] <literal> AMT?
[08:14] <DanaG> You could also use a kvm-over-IP device.
[08:14] <DanaG> Intel's AMT is their remote management thingy.
[08:15] <TeslaTony> Oh, so you just record using a second computer?
[08:16] <DanaG> You could use an S-Video tuner to do it, but you'd have to accept lower resolution.
[08:16] <TeslaTony> What about a DVI capture card?
[08:17] <DanaG> That'd be better.  Or the HDMI one.
[08:18] <TeslaTony> HDMI would be a little easier
[08:18]  * TeslaTony goes crosseyed
[08:18] <TeslaTony> Whining about a lower resolution on DISTENDED TEXT?!
[08:19] <DanaG> Huh?  What's this about crosseyed?
[08:19] <TeslaTony> I just realized; S-Video has more than enough resolution to show the boot process
[08:19] <TeslaTony> Once it goes graphical...not so much
[09:33] <MvG> Hi! I'd like to give the latest Intrepid a try. However, things smelled of trouble even before I got really started, mostly due to me using KDE/kubuntu. Is this the channel to discuss such things?
[09:33] <MvG> I couldn't find a way to change release with adept. Update-manager would pull in all that GNOME synaptics stuff, which felt not very kubuntu-like, and update-manager-kde isn't available for hardy afaict. What's the "official" upgrade path?
[09:34] <mvo> MvG: you can use "do-release-upgrade -d" on the terminal, that gives you a cli upgrade
[09:34] <bugabundo_work> MvG: are you on hardy?
[09:34] <MvG> I then modified my sources.list, replacing hardy with intrepid. apt-get dist-upgrade would change quite a lot, and would remove adept. This seems really strange, and probably not what one would expect on kubuntu. Can't tell why it would be removed, or what would replace it.
[09:34] <bugabundo_work> update-manager -d or do-release-upgrade -d should work
[09:34] <MvG> bugabundo_work: Yes, hardy.
[09:34] <bugabundo_work> if not, please fill a bug against it
[09:34] <MvG> mvo: trying...
[09:35] <bugabundo_work> changing Sources is NOT the proper way to upgrade
[09:35] <bugabundo_work> because Policy changes won't get applied
[09:35] <bugabundo_work> MvG: do you have the kubuntu meta-package installed?
[09:36] <bugabundo_work> or did you by any change remove it in the past?
[09:37] <MvG> bugabundo_work: I see no kubuntu package on hardy. apt-get install doesn't either.
[09:38] <MvG> Doing release upgrade...
[09:39] <bugabundo_work> MvG: kubuntu-desktop ?
[09:39] <bugabundo_work> MvG: or kubuntu-kde4-desktop ?
[09:39] <bugabundo_work> did you change your sources back?
[09:40] <MvG> kubuntu-desktop is installed, yes.
[09:40] <bugabundo_work> then file a bug...
[09:40] <MvG> I changed my sources back before doing the release upgrade. The upgrade failed, however, due to insufficient space on my boot partition. :-(
[09:41] <bugabundo_work> ahhh
[09:41] <bugabundo_work> yes that old bug
[09:41] <bugabundo_work> that update-manager doesn't check for disk space
[09:41] <bugabundo_work> before upgrading
[09:42] <MvG> I know I've got a slightly small boot partition, it has caused trouble in the past. Annyoing thing, that.
[09:43] <bugabundo_work> MvG: funny enough I aint finding it
[09:43] <MvG> rerunning upgrade after moving my old initrd now.
[09:43] <bugabundo_work> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=update+manager+doesnt+check+for+available+disk&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.status%3Alist=TRIAGED&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.status%3Alist=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&
[09:43] <bugabundo_work> actually this bug should be on apt-get
[09:45] <mvo> well, it does check for disk space, just during the upgrade (how else would it know how much it is going to need :)
[09:45] <bugabundo_work> I know that mvo
[09:45] <bugabundo_work> it can't GUESS
[09:45] <bugabundo_work> but can put around an extimetive
[09:45] <mvo> :)
[09:46] <bugabundo_work> from the usual size from users
[09:46] <bugabundo_work> everyone knows at least from previous upgrades
[09:46] <bugabundo_work> that you are going to need about 400-800 MiBs of packages
[09:46] <MvG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/264282 seems related... I'm looking forwart to seeing how much space the upgrade will really need. Had to remove my old kernel image in addition to the initrd, the latter alone wasn't enough. :-(
[09:46] <mvo> right, that does make sense
[09:46] <bugabundo_work> plus the necessary amount of disk to unpack
[09:47] <mvo> MvG: how much space do you have in /boot ?
[09:47] <bugabundo_work> so... should we file a bug against update manager
[09:47] <TuTUXG> after i switch from a wireless connection to cable, network-manager keeps trying to connect to the wireless hop and i have to manually disable wireless
[09:47] <bugabundo_work> so you can get it a bit smarter by using "AROUND" extimetives?
[09:47] <MvG> mvo: 31077k
[09:49] <MvG> OK, finally got the upgrade convinced I've enough space. do-dist-upgrade now would like to remove adept. Do you know of a way to find out /why/ it is removing a given package?
[09:49] <bugabundo_work> mvg you have 31MiBs free?
[09:49] <bugabundo_work> or total size?
[09:50] <MvG> mvo: Total size. I don't know the last free amount that still caused it to complain.
[09:50] <mvo> MvG: there is extensive logging in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ - if you put main.log up somewhere I can have a look
[09:50] <mvo> MvG: we may also need apt.log (that has more details on the dependency resolver results)
[09:51] <mvo> bugabundo_work: maybe extend one of the existing bugreprot with the suggestion to do a eastimate early? or a new whishlist request, either way is fine
[09:52] <bugabundo_work> MvG: df -h should give you free disk
[09:53] <MvG> mvo: apt.log looks more interesting: http://rafb.net/p/1fPAE548.html
[09:54] <MvG> bugabundo_work: Yes it does, but as I said, I moved initrd, still didn't have enough space, next moved kernel image, then had enough space. So I don't know how much I had when it last failed, short of moving files around yet again.
[09:56] <mvo> MvG: could you still put main.log up? it contains information if your kubuntu install was detected as one
[09:57] <MvG> mvo: sure: http://rafb.net/p/rDiSCz13.html
[09:58]  * bugabundo_work going throuth update-manager bugs
[10:01]  * mvo hugs bugabundo_work for this
[10:03] <mvo> MvG: thanks, it looks like all the old adept-* are all replaced now with a single adept package, but its seems there is something funny with the dependencies
[10:03] <MvG> mvo: I agree.
[10:04]  * bugabundo_work drafts When users upgrade to the development version using update-manager -d or do-release-upgrade -d stats should be collected and sent to some kind of archive (after user allows them to) so that a approximated size necessary can be calculated in order to prevent running out of free disk on future dist upgrades by users (either still on development versions or Stable releases)
[10:05] <MvG> According to http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/adept adept depends on libapt-pkg-libc6.8-6-4.6 provided by apt. So the libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 in my apt.log might be the funny thing. Question is, where does it come from?
[10:06] <MvG> Stop, sorry, that's one of the old adept subpackages.
[10:06] <mvo> MvG: it looks like this is a bug in that it looks at the old package, I'm testing a workaround
[10:07] <mvo> MvG: (that may take a bit)
[10:07] <MvG> mvo: Don't bother finding a workaround just for me: I can simply upgrade and manually install adept afterwards using apt-get.
[10:07] <mvo> MvG: I have a test system here that shows the same behavior, so its good that you brought it up :)
[10:07] <MvG> So if it's just me, then never mind. However, if this could hit others as well, you'd want to find a general solution, not only a single case workaround.
[10:08] <bugabundo_work> mvo: what's the old kernel funtion name we now have on intrepid
[10:08] <bugabundo_work> that I guess ben develop?
[10:09] <MvG> btw there are some bugs out there about adept crashing during an upgrade. I wonder whether some of those could be due to adept being removed dusing the upgrade. Not likely, though, I guess.
[10:10] <mvo> bugabundo_work: you mean the function in the code? or the name of the config bits that control the behavior? DistUpgrade.cfg has [KernelRemoval] and there version, basenames, and types
[10:10] <bugabundo_work> just a simple name that identifies it, so I can mention it on the BTS report against update-manager
[10:10] <bugabundo_work> I guess KernelRemoval will do
[10:11] <MvG> apt.log says: "Package adept has broken dep on adept-common" which disagrees with http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/adept
[10:13] <bugabundo_work> mvo: can't find any wiki/LP/Google hits for KernelRemoval
[10:15] <mvo> bugabundo_work: right, its quite new, if you could just create a wiki page for it, that would be cool
[10:15] <bugabundo_work> humm I remember reading about it on Devel and kernel ML
[10:15] <bugabundo_work> but nor my mail client archive nor google is hitting it
[10:16] <mvo> oh, you mean the last good kernel feature?
[10:16] <bugabundo_work> #ubuntu-kernel is to quite at this hour to be any help either
[10:16] <bugabundo_work> ahhh that one!
[10:16] <mvo> there is a new functionatlity that it preserves the last known good kernel at boot
[10:17] <bugabundo_work> plus it unpins old kernel so that they can be removed
[10:17] <bugabundo_work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/removing-old-kernels
[10:17] <MvG> bugabundo_work: Will you investigate the release upgrade issue on your testing system, so that I can upgrade my system and reinstall adept manually, or would you rather I keep my current state to test any suggested solutions? Should I file a bug report, and if so, against update-manager-common in hardy, apt in any release, adept in intrepid, or all of these?
[10:18] <mvo> MvG: just go ahead and upgrade I can reproduce it here just fine, thanks
[10:18] <bugabundo_work> MvG: I'm not the one with test system
[10:18] <bugabundo_work> you are mixing up irc nicks
[10:18] <bugabundo_work> lol
[10:18] <MvG> Sorry...
[10:19] <bugabundo_work> np
[10:19] <Cheery> last time I forgotten, where can I pick up intrepid ibex alpha 6?
[10:19] <bugabundo_work> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[10:19] <bugabundo_work> for Ubuntu/GNOME
[10:19] <bugabundo_work> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/intrepid/alpha-6/
[10:20]  * MvG will wait 80min for the update, and the be anxious to find out how the nvidia modules are handled in a full intrepid environment.
[10:20] <bugabundo_work> for daily http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[10:20] <bugabundo_work> you can use rsync to complete older iso downloads
[10:20] <bugabundo_work> from the DVD I just download arroung 200MiBs instead 4GiBs
[10:20] <bugabundo_work> CDs go up to 100MiBs
[10:21] <Cheery> is it a good idea to use daily alpha instead of alpha-6?
[10:21] <mvo> MvG: there is code in update-manager that detects the nvidia in the system and picks the right driver, so that is hopefully ok (on your system it picked -96) - let me know if that works all fine, that is a relatively new feature
[10:21] <bugabundo_work> Cheery: I always use Dailies and also recommend them to testers
[10:21] <bugabundo_work> saves the time to download the updates
[10:22] <Cheery> ah.
[10:22] <MvG> mvo: I had first updated just the kernel to test a bug with my atmel wlan card. In that environment I couldn't get the system to automagically build the modules, even after it selected the correct (source!) package. I hope for automatic module building now, and get back to you if it doesn't work that way.
[10:23]  * bugabundo_work thinks if a blueprint wouldn't be better serve than a bug ticket
[10:23]  * bugabundo_work of course Murphis Law dictates that that only happens after bug has been filed
[10:24] <bugabundo_work> mvo: MvG: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/273049
[10:24] <bugabundo_work> sorry about the edge.... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/273049
[10:25] <Cheery> I'm planning to install ipex to a brand new P5Q with Core 2 Quad Q9450 along with 9800GTX
[10:26] <Cheery> and 8GB of ram
[10:26] <linux1> does anyone if this wireless card works outof the box with ibex Atheros ar242x
[10:26] <bugabundo_work> Cheery: its Ibex not ipex
[10:26] <Cheery> I seem to have some tendency to mistype it well
[10:27] <Jordan_U> linux1: I have that card and it works here
[10:27] <ikonia> chipset seems fairly well supported
[10:27] <bugabundo_work> Cheery: wait for 9.04 ... I can't spell that
[10:27] <linux1> Jordan_U, cool :) - what machine is it in btw ?
[10:28] <Jordan_U> linux1: Macbook Pro
[10:29] <linux1> Jordan_U, thanks was hoping you was going to say an apsire one
[10:29] <ikonia> linux1: it really doesn't matter what machiens it's in, it's the same chipset
[10:30] <linux1> ikonia, i know but im planing to get an apsire one later on today
[10:30] <ikonia> so ?
[10:31]  * Jordan_U wonders if all of his hardware would be supported in gnewsense now that ath5k supports his card
[10:31] <ikonia> Jordan_U: I guess the firmware would be the limiting factor if it was free/open or not
[10:32] <Jordan_U> ikonia: Firmware is on the card, ath5k is fully FSF approved, just wondering if I have anything else
[10:32] <ikonia> don't see why not then
[10:33] <linux1> ikonia, so if he had an apsire  one i was going to ask about it before i purchace the item ,someone told be the build qualty was bad just wanted someone else point of view
[10:33] <ikonia> linux1: try #hardware or the aspire forums
[10:35] <linux1> ikonia, ok will do
[11:27] <Ayabara> my system broke today. I get two errors when I start up. Something with ".. ABI Major Version", and "dri module mismatch"
[11:29] <Ayabara> anyone with a solution? how can I get to a shell with internet connection in recovery mode?
[12:10] <elmargol> Hi I try to connect to a WPA2 protected network using knetworkmanager. It does not work. and If i open the config dialog the password has changed to something else?
[12:10] <elmargol> Do I have to enter the password in a special format or something?
[12:40] <Ayabara> does fglrx work on 8.10 now?
[12:42] <sroecker> did someone else notice the intel video driver getting slower since 2 weeks or so?
[12:49] <Ayabara> anyone? I had my system setup for dualscreen with xrandr, but it no longer works
[12:50] <sroecker> dualscreen doesn't work anymore with fglrx?
[13:08] <hachaboob> Does anyone have a working copy of the Dust 20080921 GTK theme?
[13:12] <hachaboob> Nevermind. I found it.
[13:20] <XiXaQ> what's the current kernel in intrepid?
[13:21] <SwedeMike> 2.6.27
[13:23] <XiXaQ> hmm. I read somewhere that the version of ath5k that comes with 2.6.27 should support my wlan card, Atheros 5007, but it didn't seem to. Perhaps I should try again.
[14:56] <cuco> hi all, my 8.10 64bit machine dies as soon as the gui loads. from what i read i need to change the driver to vesa. i tried using "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" but it does not ask me to choose a driver and then xorg loads the defective card.
[14:56] <cuco> how can i configure the x server to use vesa?
[14:56] <cuco> ps: i have no console there - as soon as i move to the console, the machine locks up
[15:28] <tewk> nm-applet doesn't seem to remember my wep and wpa keys, I am running gnome-keyring-daemon.  Any pointers, places I can look to debug the problem?
[15:32] <woogens> tewk: I am experiencing the same problem. This might be covered with bug 245852
[15:33] <MvG> mvo: Finally upgraded to intrepid and rebooted. Result: no X. dkms_autoinstaller reports "fail". See http://rafb.net/p/ElfRoh20.html
[15:33] <MvG> Looks like an issue with the nvidia module.
[15:34] <mvo> MvG: lets move to #ubuntu-x and ask there
[15:44] <chakie_> hm, amarok1 on intrepid can't find ipods
[15:54] <W9ZEB> do we know what the final release date of Intrepid Ibex Final will be?
[15:54] <W9ZEB> other than, in october?
[15:54] <zniavre> 30
[15:54] <bazhang> 10/28
[15:54] <bazhang> or so
[15:54] <W9ZEB> alright, thanks.
[15:55] <W9ZEB> and betas are coming?  or will they go straight from Alphas to Final?
[15:55] <bazhang> yes there will be a beta
[15:55] <Pici> !schedule
[15:55] <W9ZEB> It's been a while since I've played with the "up and coming" Ubuntu
[15:55] <W9ZEB> like....  4.10 maybe
[16:08] <chakie_> hm, and sound also seems to be broken for me
[16:08] <chakie_> not that anything errors out, but there simply is no sound :)
[16:12] <d4t4min3r> when is the first beta due?
[16:12] <Pici> !schedule | d4t4min3r
[16:13] <d4t4min3r> ohh so we are on the last alpha.. no beta i see
[16:13] <d4t4min3r> pici
[16:14] <Pici> d4t4min3r: It says beta release on October 2nd
[16:20] <chakie_> doh, i signed up for some paid video guitar lessons, and having sound for those would of course be fun
[16:31] <baffle> Is there any good reason for me not being able to create a paravirtualized KVM guest in virt-manager on 8.10? That feature is grayed out. (i686)
[17:13] <Bauldrick> have the nvidia binaries just been updated, can 71 - 96 be used yet?
[17:26] <_Zeus_> i use 177...
[17:26] <_Zeus_> so i dunno
[17:41] <erle64-> is ooo 3.0 planned for ibex?
[17:45] <terminator_> erle64   I am running the beta now.
[17:52] <terminator_> I hope they leave the 3.0 ooo  in the ibex program
[18:48] <yao_ziyuan> i'm using intrepid + kde 4.1.1. there are two kdm's in my system monitor. is it normal?
[19:01] <djdano> Hey all, I'm having trouble getting my belkin wireless USB HUB to work with ubuntu, can anyone point me in the right direction, I don't see it mentioned on google / forums
[19:03] <Unksi> anyone else getting "dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `uml-net' in statoverride file" when updating?
[19:42] <lenios_> anyone tried to make a live usb persistent of intrepid?
[19:44] <lenios_> i followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent and system freezes when starting the usb key
[19:47] <lenios_> that's probably related to mbr, syslinux or the prompt menu, but i don't know how to investigate
[20:17] <solarion> any idea why /dev/snd perms would be an issue at random intervals?
[20:17] <solarion> can't say I've had to chown sound devices for eons
[20:51] <esac> i have not installed any extra packages. jockey-gtk seems to be crashing, and when i try to report it, it tells me This is not a genuine Ubuntu package
[21:20] <sleepster> how can I add intrepid repositories?
[21:20] <Unksi> sleepster: if you wish to upgrade from hardy, you should use update-manager -d
[21:21] <sleepster> Unksi: oh thanks.. but actually I would like a package that is in the intrepid repos
[21:21] <sleepster> I don't want to upgrade
[21:21] <Unksi> ok, then i would go to packages.ubuntu.com and get it through there myself, unless it has lots of dependencies that hardy doesnt meet
[21:22] <sleepster> okay, thanks
[21:22] <Unksi> basically, if you just change hardy -> intrepid you get the intrepid repos
[21:22] <sleepster> oh I see.. when you say upgrade from hardy.. what's newer than hardy?
[21:22] <Unksi> but remember, that you are out of support if you mix the packages, they may cause serious breakage
[21:22] <Unksi> the packages^
[22:09] <pepie34> since the change to evdev my keyboard map is wrong at gdm
[22:10] <pepie34> how can i change that ?
[22:15] <Chousuke> I have a problem with kdm/gdm and kde 4 on Intrepid: all the fonts are unreadably small
[22:16] <Chousuke> seems to me like a dpi problem but I can't remember where to configure that; dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg had no effect that I can see.
[22:16] <Chousuke> for some reason, gnome works, though.
[22:16] <thiblahute> Hin
[22:16] <thiblahute>  I would like to get some help to get an kde4 development environment with ubuntu intrepid
[22:16] <thiblahute>  I would like to use Kdevelop, (305)
[22:17] <thiblahute> 3.5
[22:17] <thiblahute> I installed evrything (includeing dev packages)
[22:19] <thiblahute> I am now trying to make the "simple kde4 application" working
[22:19] <thiblahute> I set
[22:19] <thiblahute> KDEDIRS > /usr/bin
[22:19] <thiblahute> KDEHOME > ~/.kde
[22:19] <thiblahute> LD_LIBRARY_PATH > /usr/lib
[22:20] <thiblahute> BUt don't know PKG_CONFIG_PATH and QT_PLUGIN_PATH
[22:20] <Chousuke> hooray. I managed to find the dpi setting "blind". now I can read the text
[22:20] <Chousuke> the root cause is still not solved though, as KDM still suffers from the same problem :/
[22:21] <Chousuke> thiblahute: it should autodetect those :/
[22:21] <thiblahute> No, in the readme, it's writen that I have to set them...
[22:21] <thiblahute> And If I don't nothing works...
[22:22] <thiblahute> Chousuke : Did you try it?
[22:22] <thiblahute> Here is th readme, http://paste.ubuntu.com/49447/
[22:24] <thiblahute> I also run the cmake ../
[22:25] <thiblahute> And evrything seems to be ok
[22:26] <thiblahute> Any idea?
[22:30] <thiblahute> Nobody use Kubuntu intrepid to develop KDE4???
[22:30] <Denise> nobody
[22:31] <thiblahute> Ok, thanls Denis !
[22:31] <thiblahute> e
[22:31] <Denise> Daviey
[22:31] <Denise> whos that
[22:32] <Denise> walker
[22:36] <Daviey> Hi Denise
[22:37] <Denise> hi
[22:39] <Denise> intranet
[23:03] <leche> which meta-package installs kde4 desktop in intrepid?
[23:05] <leche> ah, should be kubuntu-destkop
[23:07] <leche> ehm, kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[23:08] <jtechidna> not in Intrepid
[23:08] <Chousuke> I got kde4 from kubuntu-desktop in intrepid
[23:08] <Chousuke> and I have to say... it's buggy as hell
[23:09] <Chousuke> gnomeubuntu is in *much* better shape
[23:10] <mn> Do you think KDE 4.1 will be ready with intrepid by release time?
[23:10] <leche> Chousuke: yeah, just wanna test it, had some problems with the nm-applet in kde4
[23:10] <mn> I know I got the KDE4 kubuntu remix and it was buggy.  Then I upgraded to 4.1 on Hardy and it's great
[23:10] <leche> just want to see the actual state
[23:11] <mifritscher> hi
[23:11] <mifritscher> I've 2 big problems with my x61
[23:11] <Chousuke> mn: no.
[23:11] <mifritscher> -backlight control keys aren't working anymore (since 2 months)
[23:11] <Chousuke> in fact
[23:11] <Chousuke> I think KDE just broke
[23:11] <Chousuke> my session no longer works
[23:11] <mn> ah, that's a bummer
[23:11] <mn> I really like kde 4.1
[23:11] <mifritscher> -text consoles aren't working since 2 month
[23:11] <mifritscher> is a internal 965
[23:12] <Chousuke> it just fades to black and dies
[23:12] <Chousuke> wtf.
[23:12] <Chousuke> :(
[23:12] <mn> mifritscher: is it an x64?
[23:12] <mifritscher> mn: no
[23:12] <mn> i'm glad I decided not to upgrade to the alpha
[23:12] <jtechidna> that's not normal
[23:12] <mn> x32?
[23:12] <mifritscher> no, ibm x61
[23:13] <Chousuke> okay what is this
[23:13] <mn> oh
[23:13] <Chousuke> I have a black screen... that still displays notifications
[23:13] <Chousuke> ???
[23:13] <jtechidna> Plasma could be dying, maybe you have an old crufty config file
[23:13] <mn> does it show your windows?
[23:13] <Chousuke> no
[23:14] <Chousuke> jtechidna: I installed KDE4 half an hour ago
[23:14] <Chousuke> on a brand new ubuntu install
[23:14] <Chousuke> though
[23:14] <Chousuke> I do have ubuntu-desktop as well
[23:14] <Chousuke> but no KDE-related configs
[23:14] <mifritscher> I think it is a ubuntu kernel <-> gpu problem
[23:14] <jtechidna> weird, nobody else has been having those problems
[23:14] <Chousuke> ah
[23:14] <mifritscher> because the vesa vb driver doesn't wok, too
[23:14] <Chousuke> I forgot to boot after a kernel updae
[23:14] <mifritscher> which works on an old knoppix-cd^^
[23:14] <Chousuke> will do so now.
[23:15] <mifritscher> (that's the cause xen doesn't work with graphics, too)
[23:19] <Chousuke> well now I can at least get a KDE session
[23:20] <Chousuke> SCIM and blueplugd crashed though :P
[23:21] <Chousuke> also I get gnome applets in the systray :(
[23:26] <leche> hmm, kde4 doesnt seem to be able to handle more than one monitor, and, i got 7,7 sec lag here
[23:26] <leche> ok, lag is gone
[23:31] <outbri> leche: It doesn't let you run duals? I just installed it, don't know if I should restart X for a while though if it doesn't work.
[23:32] <leche> outbri: i can move windows to the second screen, but i cant rightclick or set wallpapers there
[23:32] <jumpkick> everytime firefox loads a page it freezes for about 2 seconds
[23:32] <jumpkick> does anyone else experience this with Ibex?
[23:32] <leche> maybe its a dolphin setting
[23:33] <outbri> leche: oh, hmm
[23:34] <outbri> jumpkick: to a degree, yes. a few pages, such as facebook, are unusable. the rest are either normal or a bunch of freezes
[23:34] <leche> or whats responible for icons and stuff in kde?
[23:34] <outbri> leche: not sure
[23:41] <Chousuke> hmm
[23:41] <Chousuke> removing libgconf gets rid of quite a lot of gnome stuff :D
[23:41] <Chousuke> (at least 180 packages depend on it)
[23:42] <dashnu> Anyone screwing around with Empathy yet?
[23:42] <dashnu> I works for gmail but not MSN for me
[23:42] <dashnu> it*
[23:44] <jumpkick> outbri: at least its not just my machine. Thanks. :D
[23:44] <DasE1> wouldn't it be a good idea to split displayconfig-gtk in two parts, one for monitor and the other for video driver only ?