[06:59] <lukehasnoname> Is the current set of "logout" and "shutdown" screens in intrepid the plan for the final release? If so, what reasoning is there to make two menus out of one easy-to-use menu found in Hardy?
[07:44] <Burgundavia> lukehasnoname: upstream has one menu, 7 options on one menu is not "easy to use"
[07:45] <Burgundavia> upstream has two menus, I should say
[07:51] <lhnn> to whoever just said what they said: Having all my options in an elegant, well explained window that I could access with a mouse gesture instead of going through a menu is convenient.
[07:55] <Burgundavia> lhnn: if you have to explain, you have already failed
[07:55] <lhnn> Burgundavia: I'm talking about
[07:56] <lhnn> er
[07:57] <Burgundavia> hmm?
[07:57] <lhnn> Something being well documented is failing? What a joke. I know what suspend and hibernate is, but some computer users won't know right away. My point was that everything was easy to access and navigable, and there is an extra step involved. Combine that with the fact that the menu is less visually appealing now, and it's a step back.
[07:59] <Burgundavia> the major failure is that we even have suspend/hibernate
[07:59] <Burgundavia> and shutdown
[07:59] <Burgundavia> but regardless, the current menu is different from upstream and offers noadvantages
[08:00] <lhnn> I appreciate the concept of sticking with upstream, but when upstream is inferior... In a
[08:00] <lhnn> hm
[08:00] <lhnn> nvmd
[08:01] <lhnn> you also seem to be out of your mind or trolling
[08:01] <Burgundavia> no, I am not trolling
[08:02] <lhnn> It seems you are suggesting it is unnecessary to have shutdown/suspend/hibernate options
[08:03] <Burgundavia> in a perfect world yes
[08:05] <lhnn> mhm.
[08:07] <Burgundavia> basically, all three say "I am done with this computer and it should stop being on"
[08:09] <Burgundavia> anyway, I need to sleep
[08:37] <slomo> seb128: hi :) could you sync gshare from debian? fixes a critical bug :)  also, do you know when/if pitti will be online today?
[08:37] <seb128> hello slomo
[08:38] <seb128> will sync it
[08:38] <seb128> not sure about pitti, he was to the plumber conference and should be flying back around today but not sure exactly when and he'll need to catch on jetlag too
[08:39] <slomo> ok, thanks :)
[08:39] <seb128> do you need him for something? maybe somebody else can reply?
[08:41] <seb128> mvo, slomo: btw what is the easy codec situation for intrepid? do we still use the old system or the new debian one? I think we synced some packages from debian experimental so we might be in the middle of the transition and need to change things to work correctly
[08:42] <slomo> seb128: intrepid uses the old stuff but someone needs to merge the experimental packages (remove new codec installation stuff)... or sync all packages and transition all other gstreamer plugin packges ;)
[08:42] <slomo> seb128: imho this should wait for next release
[08:42] <seb128> slomo: I think I synced some experimental packages which have been adapted for the new system
[08:43] <seb128> anyway I'm too busy to look at those, so I'm just letting you guys know in case somebody want to have a look to this for intrepid
[08:49] <mvo> seb128: gst-plugins-ugly0.10 0.10.9-1 (source)  , gst-plugins-good0.10 0.10.10-1 (source) - thats all?
[09:58] <pochu> morning all
[09:59] <pochu> seb128_: do you want me to do totem/totem-pl-parser? assuming you haven't done it yet ;-)
[09:59] <seb128_> hey pochu, you are welcome to do those
[09:59] <pochu> great
[10:01] <pochu> btw usb stuff isn't automounting here. I can mount it via 'sudo mount -t vfat ...', is that a hal issue?
[10:08] <davmor2> Guys should jockey automagically restart X in the current session to start compiz once nvidia/ati drivers have been selected or should it still throw up a restart icon on the taskbar?
[10:09] <seb128_> you can't restart xorg in the current session
[10:10] <seb128_> the restart icon most likely
[10:10] <davmor2> seb128_: that's what I thought but there is no icon now so I'll bug it thanks
[10:10] <seb128_> I would say that's not a bug
[10:10] <seb128_> thinking about it, having a icon would make no sense
[10:11] <seb128_> you get the icon when a reboot is required for a reason which is not obvious
[10:11] <seb128_> in the jockey case something in jockey should tell you that the changes will be applied after next login
[10:11] <davmor2> seb128_: in hardy it used to throw up the icon once it had installed the drivers
[10:12] <seb128_> you should ask that to pitti when he'll be around
[10:12] <davmor2> seb128_: thanks anyway :)
[10:12] <seb128_> davmor2: bug #272238
[10:13] <davmor2> seb128_: cool thanks :)
[10:54] <seb128_> pochu: how are those updates going?
[11:35] <geser> seb128: do you know if a new upstream version of nautilus-python needs a FFe or does it fall into the general gnome FFe? see bug 272231
[11:36] <seb128> geser: I asked this guy to do the update, it's not in the GNOME desktop ffe but I'm granting one for this update since apparently I can accept desktop exception for universe ;-)
[12:08] <pochu> seb128: gtg to the uni, I'm back, gonna do totem right now
[12:08]  * pochu grabs the source
[12:08] <seb128> pochu: ok good
[12:09] <seb128> if somebody wants to do some updates just ask I've a list of tarballs to hand ;-)
[12:09] <seb128> enough for everybody ;-)
[12:13] <crevette> anyone willing to test a bluez-gnome update here ? i'm looking for people who do files transfer and who use bluetooth imput
[12:33] <vuntz> seb128: just wondering, will you revert the spin button change?
[12:34] <seb128> vuntz: already did
[12:34] <vuntz> heh
[12:34] <seb128> vuntz: there is no way that's going to work, there is not only the GNOME desktop using GTK, the GTK API is confusing and has buggy example and most of the world is using wrong values there
[12:34] <vuntz> I know
[12:35] <vuntz> and I think it's the right thing to do
[12:35] <seb128> but ... ? ;-)
[12:36] <vuntz> there's no but
[12:37] <vuntz> I'm just wondering whether I should invest time to fix the glade/ui files today or do something else
[12:37] <seb128> ok, your mail on the list looked like a bit you were suggesting to patch all the desktop applications quickly and roll new tarballs
[12:37] <vuntz> we should still do this if possible
[12:38]  * lool +1
[12:38] <seb128> that can wait for 2.24.1
[12:38] <vuntz> indeed
[12:38] <vuntz> that's why I'm considering not doing this today ;-)
[12:38] <pochu> hmm
[12:38] <pochu> what's this "Generating server key" in totem?
[12:38] <pochu> the new BBC plugin?
[12:47] <vuntz> seb128: oh, btw, does debug = FALSE work to make gnome-session silent?
[12:47] <seb128> vuntz: yes, there is an upstream bug stating that's the right thing to do too
[12:48] <seb128> let me get you the number
[12:48] <vuntz> got it
[12:49] <seb128> ok
[12:49] <pochu> seb128: bug 273088
[12:49] <pochu> now pl-parser
[12:49] <seb128> pochu: ok thanks, dunno about your previous questionbtw
[13:11] <seb128> hey pedro_!
[13:12] <pedro_> salut seb128!
[13:13] <seb128> pedro_: how was your weekend and national party thing ;-)
[13:14]  * pochu waves at pedro_ 
[13:14] <pedro_> seb128: was awesome! my stomach is now weird because of eating too much i don't want to eat any meat for at least a month
[13:14] <seb128> ah ah ah ;-)
[13:14] <pedro_> hello pochu!
[13:14] <geser> seb128: doess goocanvas 0.11 (bug 272222) has also a FFe from you?
[13:14] <pochu> seb128: what's the best thing to test plparser? creating playlists and playing them? I don't use playlists usually
[13:14] <pedro_> seb128: thanks for asking btw, how was your weekend ? ;-)
[13:14] <seb128> geser: yes, it's basically an update which fix the current version ftbfsing when using the intrepid gtk
[13:15] <seb128> pedro_: a bit short but good otherwise ;-)
[13:16] <geser> seb128: I've seen there is also goocanvas 0.12 already. is 0.11 good enough for intrepid or will 0.12 be packaged soon too (so no need to sponsor 0.11 right now)?
[13:17] <seb128> geser: I noticed that too and just told that to didrocks, looking at the new version now, sec
[13:17] <didrocks> I can update it this evening, if needed
[13:18] <seb128> the update is a trivial one, it has a libtool2.2 fix and an another change, would be nice to get it
[13:19] <seb128> didrocks: you can do the update?
[13:19] <seb128> geser: wait for the new version, no need to sponsor this one
[13:19] <didrocks> seb128: ok, will do it. I edit the status of the bug right now
[13:27] <pochu> seb128: bug 273095. there's an issue with .m3u playlists but it's not a regression from 2.23.91
[13:27] <pochu> see you later
[13:35] <seb128> pochu: right, I need to ask to upstream which the fix didn't go to stable too
[14:08] <seb128> hey pitti!
[14:13] <davmor2> Hi Guys.  Intrepid Gnome.  The screensaver fades to black and then wakes back up is there a way I can track down what's causing it?
[14:13] <davmor2> tried apport-cli on gnome-screensaver and there were no pending crash reports
[14:17] <mvo> hey pitti, wb!
[14:17] <pitti> mvo! *hug*
[14:36] <seb128> Ampelbein, pochu: let me know if you want to do some other updates, there is still plenty to do ;-)
[14:38] <seb128> huats: the new gcalctool update is available too
[14:39] <Ampelbein> seb128: i got no time atm, am busy for 2-3 hours at my job.
[14:39] <huats> seb128: it is already built
[14:39] <seb128> Ampelbein: ok no problem; let me know letter if you want to do some update though ;-)
[14:39] <huats> I am start kvm right now :)
[14:39] <seb128> huats: good ;-)
[14:40] <huats> seb128: I am taking care of the anjuta update ...
[14:40] <huats> (wel pochu is aware of that
[14:40] <huats> )
[14:40] <huats> I am working on it
[14:40] <seb128> noted
[14:41] <huats> i am pushing it for some time now...
[14:41] <huats> I need to sticks with it :)
[14:41] <huats> seb128: if you have any stuffs, I can work a bit on it tomorrow I think...
[14:42] <seb128> huats: better to ask when you are a free slot so nobody blocks on updates which have been claimed in advance
[14:42] <huats> sure
[14:42] <seb128> there is enough tarballs to update ;-)
[14:42] <huats> :)
[14:42] <huats> I am sure there is :)
[15:59] <seb128> mvo: how would you like to do some of the GNOME 2.24 updates? ;-)
[16:02] <mvo> seb128: I'm pretty busy, but I can take some (+ do sponsoring)
[16:03] <seb128> mvo: http://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-terminal/2.24/gnome-terminal-2.24.0.tar.gz then if you can do it
[16:04] <seb128> mvo: extra ones will come a bit later, likely vte, metacity for you too
[16:04] <seb128> and maybe gnome-control-center
[16:04] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[16:06] <mvo> ok
[16:15] <tedg> seb128: There was a FUSA release, have you done that one?
[16:16] <seb128> tedg: no, you changed too many things in this package it's all yours now ;-)
[16:16] <tedg> Heh, okay.
[16:21] <mvo> seb128: g-t is ready, will you shoot me if I don't put the verbose changelot into it?
[16:22] <seb128> mvo: no, I don't expect many changes between previous tarballs and those anyway since GNOME was mostly frozen
[16:22] <mvo> indeed, it seems to be (almost) entirely i18n updates
[16:23] <seb128> brb, trying changes
[16:47] <Ampelbein> seb128: i'm ready now to do some updates
[16:47] <seb128> Ampelbein: good
[16:47] <seb128> http://download.gnome.org/sources/sound-juicer/2.24/sound-juicer-2.24.0.tar.gz
[16:47] <seb128> http://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-games/2.24/gnome-games-2.24.0.tar.gz
[16:47] <seb128> http://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-applets/2.24/gnome-applets-2.24.0.tar.gz
[16:47] <seb128> http://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-utils/2.24/gnome-utils-2.24.0.tar.gz
[16:47] <seb128> http://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-themes/2.24/gnome-themes-2.24.0.tar.gz
[16:48] <seb128> those are free to be picked
[16:48] <Ampelbein> k
[16:48] <seb128> anybody starting on something let other people know on the chan
[16:48] <Ampelbein> doing gnome-games now
[16:51] <seb128> huats: gdl gnome-build and anjuta have 2.24 tarballs now
[16:53] <mpt> mvo, w.r.t. bug 263982, what shade of grey is that?
[16:56] <tedg> mpt: Hey, you're back.  Feeling better?
[16:56] <mvo> mpt: its "darkgray" (I think 169,169,169 according to /usr/share/X11/rgb.txt)
[16:56] <mpt> tedg, partly
[16:57] <mvo> mpt: you think a darker one would be better?
[16:58] <mpt> mvo, my mockup used #888, i.e. 136,136,136
[16:59] <mpt> and smaller text too
[16:59] <huats> seb128:  ok
[16:59] <huats> I'll tackle them
[17:00] <didrocks> geser: if you want, you can now take a look at goocanvas, I updated it at 0.12 (bug #272222)
[17:01] <seb128> didrocks: http://download.gnome.org/sources/pygoocanvas/0.12/pygoocanvas-0.12.0.tar.gz if you want to update this one too
[17:02] <didrocks> seb128: right, let's go :)
[17:02] <mpt> mvo, maybe even down to 128
[17:04] <mvo> mpt: thanks, what do you think about http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/tmp/Screenshot-Add-Remove Applications.png ? (#888 and font-scale=0.8)
[17:05] <mpt> mvo, that looks better
[17:06] <mpt> mvo, is that exactly the same size as is used for the summary of each applicaiton in the listbox above?
[17:06] <mpt> application
[17:07] <mvo> mpt: I made it now exactly the same size (PANGO_SCALE_SMALL)
[17:07] <mvo> mpt: do you want me to try a different gray or do you think its good?
[17:07] <mvo> (a different from #888)
[17:07] <mpt> looks fine to me
[17:08] <mpt> good work mvo
[17:08] <mvo> thanks mpt
[17:08] <seb128> tedg: are you going to do the fusa update?
[17:08]  * mpt is glad to learn of the existence of PANGO_SCALE_SMALL
[17:08] <mvo> mpt: and sorry for the disparities between spec and initial code
[17:11] <Ampelbein> seb128: bug 273185 - finished
[17:11] <seb128> Ampelbein: good, I just sponsored the seahorse-plugins update
[17:11] <Ampelbein> thanks.
[17:13] <Ampelbein> will do http://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-applets/2.24/gnome-applets-2.24.0.tar.gz now
[17:14] <mvo> seb128: I can do vte, metacity or gnome-control-center (all the bzr ones basicly ;)
[17:14] <mvo> I just don't follow the release rss
[17:14] <seb128> mvo: ok, those tarballs are not rolled yet but I'll ping you when they are
[17:15] <mvo> thanks!
[17:15]  * mvo hugs seb128
[17:15]  * seb128 hugs mvo, thanks to you
[17:17] <didrocks> seb128: work on pygoocanvas done. It successfully build :) Thanks for this straightforward update (bug #273199)
[17:18] <seb128> didrocks: you're welcome ;-)
[17:19] <tedg> seb128: Yeah, it failed in PPA -- retrying now.
[17:21] <didrocks> (seb: and thx for gnome-spell too)
[17:23] <geser> seb128: do I understand it correctly that pygoocanvas 0.12 has  also a FFe from you?
[17:23] <seb128> geser: yes
[17:23] <geser> good, I'll sponsor it once I'm done with sponsoring goocanvas
[17:25] <didrocks> geser: good luck for goocanvas, the .diff.gz is huge :) (lot of dubed updates in the control file which has more than 12 000 lines IIRC)
[17:32] <geser> didrocks: control file?
[17:32] <didrocks> geser: oupss, configure one :)
[17:33] <didrocks> (the configure file at the root of the package)
[17:35] <didrocks> seb128: if you think that I can be helpful on other packages, fire on :)
[17:36] <seb128> didrocks: want to try a library? http://download.gnome.org/sources/libbonobo/2.24/libbonobo-2.24.0.tar.gz and http://download.gnome.org/sources/libbonoboui/2.24/libbonoboui-2.24.0.tar.gz
[17:37] <didrocks> seb128: with pleasure :)
[17:42] <didrocks> geser: thx for all you sponsoring :)
[17:42] <geser> np
[17:45] <Ampelbein> seb128: in gnome-applets 2.24.0, policykit is not enabled by default. should i pass --enable-polkit as a option to configure to enable it?
[17:46] <seb128> Ampelbein: are you sure it's not? the default seems to be auto which will enable it if the build-depends are available no?
[17:46] <Ampelbein> hmm, i tried with pbuilder and it was not enabled.
[17:49] <seb128> Ampelbein: maybe a build-depends is lacking then?
[17:49] <Ampelbein> checking
[17:50] <seb128> Ampelbein: is libpolkit-dbus-dev installed?
[17:52] <Ampelbein> should be automatically installed by libpolkit-gnome-dev
[17:53] <Ampelbein> i'll try again with an explicit dependency on libpolkit-dbus-dev
[17:54] <geser> Ampelbein: check also the configure output during build, usually configure tells if it finds a feature or not
[18:01] <Ampelbein> now with the explicit build-dep it enables policykit integration
[18:07] <Ampelbein> strange. on another machine gnome-applets enabled policykit even without the explicit depend. i'll try the ppa machines.
[18:13] <didrocks> libbonobo (bug #273214) and libbonoboui (bug #273218) ready to get sponsored
[18:14] <seb128> didrocks: ok, will have a look a bit later, going for dinner soon now
[18:14] <didrocks> seb128: no pb. Have a good lunch :)
[18:14] <didrocks> s/lunch/dinner
[18:14] <seb128> thanks ;-)
[19:05] <didrocks> seb128: if you need me for whatever package, do not hesitate :)
[19:10] <Ampelbein> now working on http://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-utils/2.24/gnome-utils-2.24.0.tar.gz
[19:18] <ember> hey
[19:20] <mvo> hey em
[19:20] <mvo> hey ember
[19:20] <ember> hey mvo
[19:24]  * pochu waves
[19:26] <mvo> if someone could test the new compiz 0.7.8 package in "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/compiz/ubuntu intrepid main" that would be much appreciated
[19:37] <Ampelbein> mvo: something special you want to have tested?
[19:39] <mvo> Ampelbein: just if it installs and runs and behave sanely
[19:42] <Ampelbein> seb128: bug 273185, bug 273200, bug 273243 are finished by me.
[19:48] <Ampelbein> mvo: i get a segfault as soon as i enable compiz with your package
[19:48] <ember> fails here too.
[19:48] <ember> missing scalefilter
[19:49] <pochu> seb128: I can do vino and vinagre tonight
[20:19] <seb128> pochu: ok good I let those for you
[20:19] <seb128> Ampelbein: ok noted, will have a look to those
[20:20] <seb128> ok, people wanting to do updates
[20:21] <seb128> you need to ask on the chan first to know if that's something to update and if somebody else is working on it
[20:22] <seb128> ember: libgnomeprint* are only translations updates and in sync on debian we will wait for debian to do the update, can you start using the chan as everybody else so you don't conflct or do unrequired updates?
[20:22] <ember> seb128:
[20:22] <ember>     * Fix build with latest gtk+ (Kjartan)
[20:22] <ember>     * Build fix (Kjartan)
[20:23] <ember> it's the ui
[20:23] <ember> it's was just due to tomboy
[20:23] <seb128> ?
[20:23] <seb128> the libgnomeprintui is on sync too
[20:23] <seb128> and debian can do this update
[20:23] <seb128> just ask on the chan before doing something
[20:24] <seb128> it's working for everybody else
[20:24] <seb128> the gnomemm updates will wait on debian too
[20:25] <seb128> things which are to update
[20:25] <ember> ok, i'm just going to do the regular ones, gnome-themes, sound-juicer, metacity, yelp, and gtk-engines
[20:25] <seb128> gnome-themes has already be done
[20:26] <seb128> bug #273279
[20:26] <seb128> oh you did it
[20:26] <seb128> ok
[20:26] <ember> i've been updating on the DesktopWeekTODO
[20:27] <seb128> right, we have not been using that this cycle
[20:27] <seb128> we have been assigning updates on the chan when people were asking for something to do
[20:27] <seb128> we really need a better way to claim work but until we have one ask on the chan before working on something
[20:28] <seb128> you can do those
[20:28] <ember> the work of norsetto is getting shape, we just need a method to claim an update on the page
[20:30] <seb128> not really
[20:30] <seb128> I don't want people jumping on all the updates
[20:30] <seb128> it would be much nicer if people were looking at some specific components
[20:30] <seb128> huats is looking a gcalctool updates and bugs and talking to upstream for example
[20:31] <seb128> Ampelbein has been cleaning the gnome-keyring and seahorse bugs and doing those updates
[20:31] <seb128> etc
[20:31] <huats> seb128: yep :)
[20:31] <seb128> we need an easy way to make clear than some people will work on some updates
[20:32] <huats> I am honoured that you mention myself :)
[20:32] <seb128> huats: you have been doing some good work on gcalctool ;-)
[20:32] <huats> :)
[20:32] <huats> thanks seb128
[20:32] <huats> :)
[20:32] <huats> I am learning :)
[20:32] <seb128> and I would like to encourage people to pick a software they have interest on and focus on doing a good job on this one
[20:33] <seb128> rather than doing random updates as they are coming
[20:33] <huats> I think you are right :)
[20:33] <huats> I'll try to take some more the same way
[20:33] <huats> :)
[20:46] <huats> seb128: bug 273287
[20:46] <huats> (and u-m-s has been subscribed)
[20:46] <huats> rrrgg u-s-m
[20:46] <huats> :)
[20:58] <seb128> didrocks: still want an update for today?
[20:59] <pochu> seb128: bug 273269 and bug 273269. They look ok, except for a little issue I've found with vino, but it's small and not a regression, so it's ok to upload it
[20:59] <seb128> pochu: ok good, thanks
[20:59] <pochu> I'm looking at the code to make a patch for the issue, if I can't I'll just report it upstream
[20:59] <seb128> pochu: you listed the same bug twice ;-)
[21:00] <pochu> oops
[21:00] <pochu> bug 273270 :-)
[21:00] <pochu> there you have ;-)
[21:00] <pochu> seb128: btw, do you know how to make a GTK window open in the foreground? what property do I have to set?
[21:01] <seb128> you don't
[21:01] <seb128> the wm try hard to forbid you doing that because that steal focus and is really annoying
[21:01] <seb128> ie if I'm typing there I don't want to have a dialog jumping in front and taking the keyboard events
[21:01] <seb128> what are you trying to do?
[21:02] <pochu> this is the issue with vino: it has an option which asks you whether you want to allow someone to connect to your computer when somebody tries to connect to it, but the dialog is opening in the background here
[21:02] <pochu> I think it should be opened in the foreground, otherwise you might miss it
[21:02] <pochu> or is that behaviour ok?
[21:03] <seb128> it should not open a dialog but display an icon in the notification area if you ask me
[21:03] <pochu> hmm
[21:03] <seb128> and maybe use a notification bubble pointing to it too
[21:03] <pochu> I prefer the current behaviour rather than the icon
[21:03] <pochu> the icon is easy to miss
[21:04] <pochu> although the notification would solve it
[21:04] <pochu> but the point is that I may be waiting for you to ACK the connection
[21:04] <seb128> icon+bubble is not that easy to miss
[21:04] <pochu> yeah, true
[21:04] <seb128> do you really not notice the "you need to reboot" thing? ;-)
[21:04] <pochu> heh
[21:05] <pochu> I sometimes ignore it for a few days ;)
[21:05] <pochu> emilio@saturno:~$ uptime  22:05:07 up 8 days, 1 min,  4 users,  load average: 0.08, 0.11, 0.12
[21:05] <pochu> and I have a reboot icon in the systray ;-)
[21:05] <pochu> but I see your point
[21:05] <pochu> I'm ignoring it on purpose ;-)
[21:06] <pochu> BTW, what about claiming updates in the /topic?
[21:06] <seb128> you might want to speak to mpt about that when he's around
[21:06] <pochu> that's a good idea
[21:06] <seb128> pochu: that doesn't scale
[21:07] <seb128> we have too many packages maintained there
[21:07] <pochu> oh, right
[21:07] <seb128> and some updates are not free to claim by anybody
[21:07] <seb128> I'll put some efforts in that when the GNOME 2.24 updates will be uploaded
[21:07] <seb128> ie tomorrow or wednesday most likely
[21:09] <pochu> cool
[21:10] <pochu> seb128: we are sticking with gdm 2.20, right?
[21:10] <ember> perhaps we can do as the table on desktoptodo, have an "usual updater" and packages that can only be updated be requesting
[21:10] <seb128> pochu: I'll try to upload the new version as an another package in universe so it's available but I don't think we should switch the default one
[21:12] <ember> s/be/by
[21:12] <pochu> pitti: hi! I have an issue with USB memories, they are not automounted, but I can mount them with 'sudo mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 somepath', do you know which package may be the culprit?
[21:14] <seb128> pochu: try to gnome-mount -b -v -d /dev/sdb1
[21:14] <seb128> and look if that works
[21:15] <pochu> seb128: it doesn't (without sudo)
[21:15] <pochu> ** Message: Mount failed for /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_part1_size_513187840
[21:15] <pochu> org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.PermissionDeniedByPolicy : org.freedesktop.hal.storage.mount-removable no <-- (action, result)
[21:16] <seb128> pochu: ok, so your user don't have the credential to mount this one
[21:17] <pochu> it happens with any usb thing
[21:18] <pochu> wtf
[21:18] <seb128> pochu: right, that's buggy, pitti is probably not around he's fighting jetlag
[21:19] <pochu> I can't unlock users-admin, the unlock button is always greyed out
[21:19] <pochu> so is it hal's fault?
[21:19] <seb128> pochu: you don't get policykit credential apparently
[21:19] <seb128> are those local applications or do you run over ssh or something?
[21:19] <pochu> local
[21:20] <seb128> pochu: ck-list-sessions
[21:20] <pochu> I haven't rebooted this for one week, perhaps that is related...
[21:20] <pochu> no output for 'ck-list-sessions'
[21:20] <pochu> ah!
[21:20] <seb128> you have no consolekit session active then which explains you don't get credentials
[21:20] <pochu> bug 263245
[21:20] <seb128> not sure why you have no session though
[21:20] <pochu> it crashes every now and then
[21:21] <seb128> that would explain why indeed ;-)
[21:21] <pochu> emilio@saturno:~/tmp$ dmesg | grep console-kit | grep segfault | wc -l
[21:21] <pochu> 12
[21:21] <seb128> waouh
[21:21] <seb128> it never crash here
[21:21] <pochu> seb128: thanks for helping me debugging this :)
[21:21] <seb128> you have something which it doesn't like apparently
[21:21] <seb128> you're welcome
[21:21] <pochu> the bug report has a lot of subscribers so I milestoned it for beta
[21:22] <seb128> you can use "ck-launch-session gnome-mount -b -v -d /dev/sdb1"
[21:22] <seb128> that should be working
[21:23] <seb128> Ampelbein, pochu: do you want to do some other updates?
[21:23] <pochu> yeah that worked!
[21:24] <pochu> I can do file-roller
[21:24] <seb128> pochu: I did it already
[21:24] <pochu> ah
[21:24] <Ampelbein> seb128: i can do gnome-themes
[21:24] <seb128> xchat-gnome, epiphany-browser, gthumb are to do if you want
[21:24] <seb128> Ampelbein: ember did this one already
[21:24] <pochu> you didn't upload it yet, right?
[21:24] <Ampelbein> ah, ok.
[21:25] <seb128> pochu: I did 5 minutes ago while we were debugging this policykit issue
[21:25] <pochu> ok
[21:25] <pochu> hmm, in fact the one I milestoned was bug 264179
[21:25] <pochu> it seems to be quite buggy: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/consolekit
[21:25] <seb128> crash in free = need valgrind log
[21:26] <seb128> right
[21:26] <pochu> I didn't know that, good to know :)
[21:26] <pochu> but it's not reproducible, it just happens from time to time
[21:27] <pochu> I could run it in the background though
[21:27] <seb128> pochu: the free function is not buggy, so if that crash here that's usually because the variable has already been freed
[21:27] <pochu> so it's trying to free it twice?
[21:27] <pochu> and the second one crashes?
[21:27] <seb128> pochu: rename the binary as binary.real and replace binary by a small wrapper calling valgrind on binary.real
[21:28] <pochu> pitti: nevermind, we tracked it down to consolekit's fault
[21:28] <seb128> pochu: usually yes, or it's given something which can't be freed
[21:28] <pochu> I see
[21:28] <pochu> and wouldn't a backtrace show in which function it crashed, so you can see whether it was already free'd?
[21:29] <seb128> right
[21:29] <seb128> valgrind can tell you where it has been freeded
[21:29] <seb128> freed
[21:30] <seb128> Ampelbein: the gnome-games update, don't update Standards-Version in an ubuntu specific way, it's not useful and create extra diff over debian
[21:31] <seb128> Ampelbein: same for gnome-applets
[21:32] <Ampelbein> ok, will change back
[21:32] <seb128> thanks
[21:32] <seb128> Ampelbein: same for those
[21:32] <seb128> "+    - changed build-dep of libglade2-dev and libgucharmap-dev to not depend
[21:32] <seb128> +      on revision 1
[21:32] <seb128> "
[21:32] <seb128> that's only a lintian warning
[21:32] <seb128> not worth creating diff over debian
[21:32] <Ampelbein> k
[21:40] <seb128> Ampelbein: otherwise the updates are good and I'll sponsor those when you have fixed that
[21:40] <seb128> Ampelbein: don't bother rebuilding the binaries just for those changes
[21:42] <Ampelbein> seb128: k. bug 273185 done
[21:43] <seb128> Ampelbein: thanks, btw no need to clean previous diff.gz and dsc every time you do an update
[21:43] <seb128> you can keep attaching new ones on the same bug ;-)
[21:43] <Ampelbein> just thought its better for having a overview of which one is the right one.
[21:44] <seb128> not really, it makes harder to see the changes between the previous one and the your update
[21:46] <Ampelbein> seb128: ok. bug 273200 done
[21:47] <seb128> gnome-games uploaded
[21:49] <pochu> seb128: thanks for the $binary.real tip, I've just done it, will see if I can get a valgrind log of the crash
[21:49] <seb128> pochu: you're welcome
[21:49] <Ampelbein> seb128: and bug 273243 done
[21:53] <Ampelbein> seb128: hppa build of gnome-games failed, see http://pastebin.com/d7cbf438e
[21:53] <seb128> Ampelbein: don't bother about hppa
[21:54] <Ampelbein> ok
[21:54] <seb128> but yeah, pygtk is not installable on hppa which breaks quite some builds
[21:55] <seb128> Ampelbein: the gnome-utils update, can you just remove the translations list in the changelog? that's lot of space for no real useful information, "translations updates" is enough ;-)
[21:55] <Ampelbein> ok
[21:55] <ember> seb128: gnome-themes, sound-juicer, yelp, gtk2-engines done. i'm just going to update metacity and hamster-applet
[21:55] <seb128> ember: ok
[21:56] <Ampelbein> seb128: reuploaded
[21:57] <seb128> Ampelbein: thanks
[21:59] <mvo> ember: I can sponsor sound-juicer and yelp and gtk2-engines, just give me the url
[21:59] <mvo> ember: (or is it in bzr :) ?
[22:01] <ember> bug #273302
[22:03] <ember> bug #273321
[22:06] <ember> bug #273292
[22:06] <ember> mvo: and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ember/metacity/ubuntu/revision/8
[22:07] <seb128> pochu: still around?
[22:08] <pochu> seb128: yup
[22:09] <seb128> pochu: you attached the wrong diff.gz to the vinagre bug
[22:09] <pochu> oh, let me have a look
[22:11] <pochu> seb128: what's wrong with it?
[22:11] <seb128> pochu: it's not for vinagre?
[22:11] <pochu> ah
[22:11] <pochu> lol
[22:11] <seb128> pochu: do you see the error now? ;-)
[22:12] <pochu> :-)
[22:12] <pochu> fixed
[22:13] <seb128> thanks
[22:18] <Ampelbein> seb128: any updates left? where can i find a list if there is any
[22:18] <seb128> Ampelbein:
[22:18] <seb128> http://download.gnome.org/sources/xchat-gnome/0.24/xchat-gnome-0.24.0.tar.gz
[22:19] <seb128> http://download.gnome.org/sources/epiphany/2.24/epiphany-2.24.0.tar.gz
[22:19] <seb128> http://download.gnome.org/sources/epiphany-extensions/2.24/epiphany-extensions-2.24.0.tar.gz
[22:19] <seb128> http://download.gnome.org/sources/cheese/2.24/cheese-2.24.0.tar.gz
[22:19] <seb128> http://download.gnome.org/sources/gthumb/2.10/gthumb-2.10.10.tar.gz
[22:19] <crevette> pick one !!
[22:19] <seb128> http://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-doc-utils/0.14/gnome-doc-utils-0.14.0.tar.gz
[22:20] <Ampelbein> i know that there is much left to do, just did not want to do double work because someone is already on it.
[22:20] <ember> seb128: mind i do gnome-menus and libwnck ?
[22:20] <Ampelbein> will work on xchat-gnome now
[22:20] <seb128> ember: you can do those
[22:21] <seb128> Ampelbein: ok good
[22:21] <mvo> thanks ember
[22:23]  * ember hugs mvo
[22:28]  * mvo hugs ember back
[22:37] <mvo> ember_: let me know if you need more sponsoring tomorrow, I'm off to bed for now
[22:38] <ember_> okidoki, thanks again mvo
[22:38] <mvo> cheers ember - thank you for the updates :) yelp, s-j, metacity and gtk2-engine should be there now
[22:41] <Ampelbein> seb128: should i integrate the apturl-patch from bug 217611 into xchat-gnome?
[23:14] <Ampelbein> now doing epiphany-browser
[23:16] <ember_> gnome-menus and libwnck is done, working on eog
[23:42] <ember_> seb128: gnome-menus libwnck and eog are done
[23:43] <seb128> right, I noticed but it's late and the next tarballs and sponsoring will wait tomorrow, there is too much to do everything today anyway
[23:43] <seb128> I also notice Ampelbein's updates ;-)
[23:43] <seb128> anyway enough work for now