| etfb | G'day. I found a page that desperately needs editing, and I'm willing to have a go at it, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes. What's the etiquette here? | 02:49 |
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| etfb | (Page is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxLogFiles -- needs copy editing, also has a lot of redundancy that makes it almost unreadable.) | 02:50 |
| jjesse | etfb: change the doc and ask for forgiveness if someone complaines | 02:51 |
| etfb | jjesse: Excellent policy! I shall! | 02:52 |
| jjesse | etfb: don't know if that is actual policy but is often times how i work here when no one responds | 02:52 |
| etfb | jjesse: I'm already at it - chopping out long-winded woffle and correcting, abuse, of, commas... The original author seems to think a comma is a special marker that means "Oh no! I'm about to use the word "and"! Look out!" | 02:58 |
| etfb | What's the usual X text editor that people recommend for newbies to use in Gnome? I know Kate is the standard in KDE. Is it Gedit? | 03:05 |
| Flannel | etfb: gedit in Ubuntu, mousepad in Xubuntu | 03:06 |
| jjesse | gedit | 03:06 |
| * jjesse beds | 03:06 | |
| Flannel | etfb: and nano in terminal | 03:06 |
| etfb | Flannel: Thanks. | 03:06 |
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| mdke | andrew_sayers: hi, thanks for coming in here | 22:16 |
| andrew_sayers | No problem - I was surprised you weren't here before. | 22:16 |
| mdke | i haven't got much time this evening I'm afraid, was quite a long day at work | 22:17 |
| andrew_sayers | Fair enough. | 22:17 |
| mdke | so, following your last email | 22:17 |
| mdke | I think that wiki markup is probably important enough to wait until we've ironed it out before we go ahead with the implementation | 22:17 |
| mdke | i think a lot of editors will expect to use italics and such | 22:17 |
| andrew_sayers | And links. | 22:18 |
| mdke | yes, true | 22:18 |
| mdke | do you have any idea of what might be causing the problem? | 22:18 |
| mdke | i don't *think* there is anything wrong with my system | 22:18 |
| andrew_sayers | Not enough of an idea to really ask a good question of a MoinMoin dev, I don't think. | 22:19 |
| mdke | hmm | 22:19 |
| andrew_sayers | My preference would be to work out what the difference is between me and you - why it doesn't affect me. | 22:20 |
| mdke | any difference in system? | 22:20 |
| andrew_sayers | Yeah. | 22:20 |
| andrew_sayers | One way to do that would be for you to do a new install, another would be for you to make a tarball of your moinmoin-1.6.4, and send it to me. | 22:20 |
| andrew_sayers | Although I guess you've got passwords and such buried in there somewhere. | 22:20 |
| mdke | I mean, different python version? | 22:20 |
| andrew_sayers | Oh, sorry. | 22:21 |
| andrew_sayers | I think you're running Intrepid? | 22:21 |
| mdke | yes | 22:21 |
| andrew_sayers | I'm still on Hardy, so it could be something like that. | 22:21 |
| mdke | the macro would have to work on dapper, so it would have to be pretty robust about these sorts of things | 22:21 |
| mdke | lemme try a new install quickly | 22:22 |
| andrew_sayers | Hmm, another way into the problem might be - do you know any friendly moinmoin experts? I can probably work things out with them, it's just going to take more patience than I can expect from someone random. | 22:22 |
| mdke | the moin guys are seriously helpful | 22:23 |
| mdke | but I'm not aware of any experts in the Ubuntu community | 22:23 |
| andrew_sayers | Hmm, I'll try asking them later then. | 22:24 |
| mdke | seems to work ok on this new install | 22:25 |
| mdke | I wonder if it's the theme I was using | 22:25 |
| mdke | oh no, I'm getting it again now | 22:27 |
| mdke | weird | 22:27 |
| andrew_sayers | What steps did you take to reproduce it? | 22:27 |
| mdke | download Moin 1.6.4, untar, run ./moin.py, edit frontpage, type <<Note(test)>>, save page | 22:28 |
| andrew_sayers | And that caused the bug the second time, but not the first? | 22:28 |
| mdke | it works ok on the first page save (on the #preview page) but on refresh I get the bug | 22:28 |
| andrew_sayers | Ah, hmm. I think maybe I was only previewing, not saving... | 22:29 |
| mdke | well, it's saved, but it gives you a little message at the top saying "Thank you for your changes" | 22:30 |
| mdke | when I clear that message, I get the problem | 22:30 |
| andrew_sayers | Yeah, I get it now. | 22:30 |
| mdke | ok, well that's good, sort of | 22:31 |
| mdke | :) | 22:31 |
| andrew_sayers | Yeah. Even so, erk :) | 22:32 |
| andrew_sayers | I think the solution to this may be somewhat ugly :s | 22:32 |
| andrew_sayers | Anyway, I'll see what I can do and e-mail you during the night? | 22:33 |
| mdke | I wonder if you could reuse the ReleaseVersion macro that sommer cooked up | 22:33 |
| mdke | that seems to do something similar, in the sense that it adds a box with formatted text | 22:33 |
| mdke | but it doesn't have any formatted input | 22:33 |
| andrew_sayers | I'll have a look. | 22:33 |
| mdke | thanks a lot dude. This is all much appreciated! | 22:34 |
| andrew_sayers | As you say, scratching an itch :) | 22:34 |
| mdke | I wouldn't have a clue how to do this | 22:34 |
| andrew_sayers | It's just practice, like most things. Plus it's given me the wiki bug, which I'm now looking for excuses to use everywhere :) | 22:35 |
| mdke | that's good, I bet there are loads of other things we could improve :p | 22:35 |
| andrew_sayers | Oh yeah, and we're ditching the old icon set then? | 22:36 |
| mdke | andrew_sayers: I like the idea of using consistent ones with the system help | 22:36 |
| andrew_sayers | Yeah, agreed. | 22:36 |
| andrew_sayers | Do the other two actually ever get used? | 22:36 |
| andrew_sayers | Caution and important? | 22:36 |
| mdke | andrew_sayers: well, caution and warning get used for the same purpose, we should pick one (warning is more striking). Important isn't used afaik | 22:38 |
| mdke | for urls, you can use https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/images/admon/ for now | 22:38 |
| mdke | maybe we'll stick them in the theme, maybe something else | 22:38 |
| andrew_sayers | I'd rather not put them in the theme, unless I can dig up some theme-specific variable... | 22:39 |
| andrew_sayers | So that the next theme writer doesn't get confused when he can't change the icons. | 22:39 |
| mdke | andrew_sayers: yes, that's a good point. well, whatever works best | 22:40 |
| andrew_sayers | If I'm asking moin devs anyway, I'll get their opinion. | 22:41 |
| mdke | good plan | 22:44 |
| mdke | I think they are mainly european hour-wise, but you may find someone around at this time | 22:44 |
| andrew_sayers | Fair enough - otherwise I'll check back tomorrow. | 22:45 |
| andrew_sayers | About ReleaseVersion - does it use an UbuntuVersions page, and if so, could you put one in Bazaar? | 22:49 |
| andrew_sayers | mdke: ^^ | 22:51 |
| mdke | andrew_sayers: ah, sorry yeah | 22:57 |
| mdke | andrew_sayers: http://tinyurl.com/4fbug5 | 22:57 |
| andrew_sayers | mdke: Excellent, thanks. | 22:58 |
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