[00:02] <TheMuso> Yeah.
[04:53] <twb> Remind me, what's the magic thingy/hostname=bar:3142 thingy/directory=/ubuntu to use a local host instead of security.ubuntu.com for the security repo?
[04:53] <twb> (Expert more still doesn't ask about that, and our network here is annoying.)
[04:58] <twb> Hmm, looks like security_host.
[05:02] <twb> ...except that doesn't work on Hardy.
[05:09] <twb> Oh fuck me, tcp window scaling is still broken.
[05:09] <twb> I hate out network :-/
[08:27] <CIA-50> debian-installer: cjwatson * r964 ubuntu/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Move mainline architectures to 2.6.27-4 kernels.
[11:25] <xivulon> davmor2: did you play with ntfs syncio?
[11:33] <davmor2> No but I can today now that all the testing is out of the way :0
[11:33] <davmor2> :) even
[11:35] <davmor2> Right just run through exactly what you need you need me to do then xivulon
[11:43] <xivulon> davmor2 you have to mount an ntfs partition with -o syncio (assuming that ntfs in intrepid has the cking patch built-in)
[11:43] <davmor2> hmm
[11:44] <davmor2> 2 ticks then I'll just reinstall xp
[11:44] <xivulon> I actually built the driver myself. Then try to copy an ISO to the new mountpoint. In my case the operation was terribly slow
[11:44] <xivulon> There is no need to have XP, only an ntfs partition.
[11:46] <davmor2> it only takes a couple of minutes to transfer it back over :)
[11:47] <davmor2> xivulon: so is this from live or from within wubi?
[11:48] <xivulon> from a standard intrepid installation, you should compare the performance of ntfs when mounted with and without syncio
[11:49] <davmor2> np's
[11:49] <xivulon> make sure that syncio is actually "on"
[11:50] <xivulon> IIRC it will print a message confirming that syncio is active once you mount the partition
[11:51] <davmor2> is the full command for mount on the bug report?
[11:53] <davmor2> is it just a case of mount -t ntfs-3g -o syncio /dev/sda1 /media/disk ?
[11:53] <xivulon> mount -t ntfs -o syncio /dev/XXX /mnt
[11:54] <xivulon> I am looking at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ntfs-3g not sure if ntfs-3g is in release or update as both ubuntu2 and ubuntu3 version contain the same changelog
[11:54] <cjwatson> the table at the top of that page tells you what suites contain what versions of ntfs-3g
[11:55] <xivulon> s/not sure if ntfs-3g is in release or update/not sure if ntfs-3g is in release or proposed/
[11:55] <cjwatson> you're misreading the version numbers; look at the bit before "ubuntu" as well :)
[11:55] <cjwatson> that UI lists the packages in upload order, not necessarily in version number order
[11:55] <xivulon> ah yep!
[11:56] <xivulon> so davmor2 the version in intrepid (1:1.2506-1ubuntu2) should be fine
[11:56] <davmor2> cjwatson: so does it only need to list type as ntfs or does it still need to be ntfs-3g or are the 2 the same now?
[11:57] <cjwatson> they've been the same for *ages*
[11:57] <cjwatson> since ntfs-3g was introduced properly in, what was it, gutsy?
[11:57] <davmor2> cool
[11:57] <cjwatson> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2008-07-11 16:54 /sbin/mount.ntfs -> /bin/ntfs-3g
[11:57] <cjwatson> if you want the old one you use -t ntfs-fuse
[11:58] <cjwatson> people should generally just use -t ntfs
[11:59] <davmor2> okay cool thanks I just thought I'd double check that, that wasn't the cause of the issue before I start :)
[12:03] <xivulon> hmm, cjwatson was looking at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/236975/comments/3 was curious why is step 1 required to begin with
[12:04] <xivulon> I remember that init parses cmdline and extracts rootflags, which then are used by mountroot
[12:04] <cjwatson> it isn't, as far as I can see. init already exports ROOTFLAGS
[12:07] <cjwatson> where does this local-premount/root_locale script come from?
[12:09] <xivulon> it is just a recipe of some users trying to change the mount attributes of /host
[12:10] <xivulon> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/236975
[12:12] <xivulon> ah probably the chap is referring to hardy (0.85) and export ROOTFLAGS was introudced in intrepid (0.92a)
[12:15] <cjwatson> ah, ok
[12:42] <davmor2> xivulon: definitely slower.  It's going at 2.6 MB/sec I transferred it from my server to my test machine faster than that :(
[12:43] <davmor2> I'll check it against standard in a second for you :)
[12:47] <davmor2> 21 mb/sec + for standard
[12:48] <davmor2> xivulon: ^
[12:49] <xivulon> davmor2 please post your findings in 204133
[12:49] <xivulon> same as me 10X slower :(
[12:50] <xivulon> I have notified cking
[12:53] <davmor2> Np's let me know if it needs testing again I've subscribed to the bug to keep an eye on it's progress anyway
[12:54] <xivulon> davmor2 thanks
[16:38] <CIA-50> debian-installer: cjwatson * r965 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 20080522ubuntu15
[19:11] <kirkland> cjwatson, et al: is there somewhere in /etc, /proc, or /sys where the keyboard layout is stored?
[19:12] <kirkland> cjwatson: i'd like to implement a programmatic workaround for the kvm keymapping bug that's still requiring "kvm -k en-us" (or the like) by dynamically determining the value of that "en-us" bit from the host
[21:47] <evand> fwiw, ~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk has been upgraded.
[22:38] <cjwatson> kirkland: /etc/default/console-setup
[22:39] <cjwatson> evand: cool, thanks
[22:39] <cjwatson> kirkland: note that -k en-us still isn't the whole story - when you set the keyboard layout in the guest, e.g. by running the installer, it still produces a broken layout then
[22:40] <cjwatson> kirkland: you can try this by selecting the British layout and pressing what IIRC is your \ key (our # key)
[22:41] <kirkland> cjwatson: interesting, is there a bug on that issue?
[22:41] <cjwatson> I don't know if there's a specific one, I assumed it was part of the general fuckedness
[22:41] <cjwatson> haven't tried it with the VNC frontend yet
[22:42] <cjwatson> is the SDL frontend really so hard to fix?
[22:42] <kirkland> :-D
[22:42] <kirkland> i really have no idea how hard the SDL is to fix; soren has indicated that it's non-trivial
[22:44] <kirkland> cjwatson: is there a problem if you send it "-k en-uk" and you select the British layout in the installer?
[22:44] <cjwatson> en-gb, but let me try
[22:44] <cjwatson> ISTR yes
[22:45] <cjwatson> oh, umm, at the very least things will be confused early on since the live CD defaults to a US keymap
[22:47] <kirkland> cjwatson: hrm, i see
[23:48] <CarlFK> odd partition table "Warning: extended partition does not start at a cylinder boundary."  but XP is currently booting/useing it OK.
[23:48] <CarlFK> alt-installer doesn't show any partitions, but does show the raw drive as a place to install to
[23:48] <CarlFK> i don't see a way to re-partition
[23:49] <CarlFK> http://dpaste.com/79878/ sfdisk --list
[23:52] <cjwatson> yes, parted is rather pedantic about some of those kinds of things
[23:53] <cjwatson> the most useful piece of information is usually 'sudo od -tx1 -Ax -N512 /dev/sda' to dump out the primary partition table
[23:53] <cjwatson> (or whatever the drive name is)
[23:53] <cjwatson> then it can be dumped into a file and used to test parted
[23:54] <cjwatson> it ought not to cause d-i to fail. We'd need /var/log/syslog and /var/log/partman (as usual ...) to see why. I assume that libparted is raising an exception where sfdisk just prints a warning
[23:54] <CarlFK> http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Sep22/a/dhcp243/  logs
[23:55] <CarlFK> but I may have poluted them trying to figure out where the partitions were... I can restart the install easy enough
[23:55] <cjwatson> Sep 22 17:17:25 kernel: [   79.381737] attempt to access beyond end of device
[23:55] <cjwatson> Sep 22 17:17:25 kernel: [   79.381772] sda: rw=0, want=58635120, limit=58633344
[23:55] <cjwatson> Sep 22 17:17:25 partman:
[23:55] <cjwatson> looks kinda suspicious ...
[23:55] <cjwatson> Sep 22 17:17:25 partman: /dev/sda5: read failed after 0 of 512 at 2933850112: Input/output error
[23:55] <CarlFK> ~ # od -tx1 -Ax -N512 /dev/sda
[23:55] <CarlFK> od: invalid option -- 't'
[23:56] <CarlFK> im in installer's BusyBox
[23:56] <cjwatson> proper od
[23:56] <cjwatson> (e.g. from live CD)
[23:57] <cjwatson> the one with -t is called od_bloaty.c in busybox so I'd rather not turn it on :)
[23:57] <CarlFK> heh
[23:57] <CarlFK> I thnk I have an 8.4 cd around here somewhere...
[23:58] <cjwatson> Sep 22 17:17:16 kernel: [   70.857180] sda: p5 exceeds device capacity
[23:58] <cjwatson> earlier on way before parted gets a look-in
[23:59] <cjwatson> note that sfdisk says your drive has 3649 cylinders and sda2 apparently ends at cylinder 3877 ...
[23:59] <cjwatson> so not even just an off-by-$small error