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* Hobbsee wishes ember would test build *before* he files sync requests.00:59
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jdongHobbsee: oh that's always fun.01:01
jdongHobbsee: like when people tell me a specific version of a backport builds and works fine and I get it and it fails on get-build-deps01:01
Hobbseejdong: unless he has an ia64, or hppa, that never built here.01:01
Hobbseejdong: ah yes.  well, backports == crack, so it's hardly surprising.01:01
Hobbseeactually, no, loic's filed this.01:05
Hobbseeember's done the ftbfs fix.01:05
* directhex wishes Hobbsee would do exciting, magical things to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/monodoc/+bug/25685301:19
Elbrusjdong: two days ago you fixed fp-units-gtk2 for me.01:25
Elbrusjdong: I tested the patch on my own system before I filed it, now with the patch applied I see all different failures to build01:25
jdongElbrus: so the patch did not work?01:26
Elbrusjdong: do you now of other packages closely related to fpc that migt have change in the mean time?01:26
Elbrusjdong: well, the patch fixed my initial problem, but now I have a new one01:26
Elbrusjdong: and I am just not sure how or against what to file a bug (if I am not doing anything wrong myself)01:27
jdongok can you pastebin the error or something?01:27
Elbrusjdong: I am running again "clean" (have been trying fixing all day)01:28
Elbrusjdong: http://paste.ubuntu.com/49118/01:32
Elbrusjdong: I can work around this by including some extra paths (-Fu and -Fi), but then I get an other problem01:32
Elbrusjdong: http://paste.ubuntu.com/49120/01:35
Elbrusjdong: if I replace the fond on line 65 in gtkdef.pp I get one step further, but again, errors... that is somewhere where I stopped01:36
jdongseems like similar errors to the earlier ones, but different place.01:37
jdonghmm does Debian's latest version work any better?01:37
Elbrusjdong: Debian Sid has worked for months01:38
Elbrusand still does01:38
jdongElbrus: ok, so the debian sid version is good?01:38
Elbruswinff is in the NEW queue at Debian01:38
jdongwell maybe we should just take that.01:38
jdongany fpc gurus awake in here?01:38
jdongdoes anything explode if we sync fpc from Sid?01:39
Elbrusjdong: do you want me to test using only debian fpc binaries in an intrepid environment?01:39
Elbrusif that is possible?01:40
jdongElbrus: well I'd rather you build fpc from debian in an intrepid pbuilder01:40
jdongbut first I need to know if I'll break anything else in Ubuntu by just pulling that package from debian01:40
jdongas you can tell I have no experience in the fpc world.01:41
Elbrusjdong: me neither, I was just building a package that uses it...01:42
ElbrusI'll be back shortly, food is ready :)01:42
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nhandlerI'm currently working on patching a .desktop file. The .desktop file contains multiple Comment fields for the same locale. These comments contain different values. What should I do about this? desktop-file-validate complains about having two comment fields for the same locale, and I am unable to read the actual comment to decide which one to keep02:51
RAOFnhandler: Ask in a #ubuntu-translators?02:57
RAOFOr ask the might google to translate it for you?02:57
nhandlerRAOF: Is there a way to figure out the language that the two letters symbolize?02:58
RAOFAsk google to guess the language from the comment? :)02:58
RAOFOr, post the actual two-letter-code here or in #ubuntu-translators and see if someone knows?02:59
ElbrusRAOF: there appears to be no #ubuntu-translators02:59
nhandlerWell, Google detected the LO comment as Laothian. However, it is unable to translate it to English03:01
RAOFElbrus: What about the #ubuntu-translators channel that I just joined?03:01
nhandlerIt detected the FA comment as persian, but is unable to translate that to English either. I guess I'll try the -translators channel03:02
ElbrusRAOF: I don't get it, when I used the link to the channel in my IRC reader I got to an empty channal03:02
nhandlerElbrus: Try doing '/join #ubuntu-translators'03:02
Elbrusnhandler: at another try I got to the right channel..03:03
nhandlerIf nobody in the -translators channel is able to translate the strings, what should I do? Should I keep the comment that occurs later in the file (which I believe is the one that will be displayed)? Should I keep the comment that occurs first in the file? Should I remove both comments? Should I do nothing (and ignore the warning from desktop-file-validate)?03:08
RAOFnhandler: I'd probably do nothing to the desktop file, and file a bug upstream.03:09
RAOFnhandler: Since you've got no way to choose between the two comments, the default action should be to do nothing.03:10
Elbrusnhandler,RAOF: it's the same I would do.03:10
SteckIf anyone is available to answer a question, do motu maintainers consider any new upstream releases for inclusion in intrepid?03:51
SteckSpecifically, gnome-mud03:51
SteckI'm unfamiliar with this process on a whole :)03:51
crimsunat this point, we're in feature freeze (as stated in the topic), but you can read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for the process to request an exception03:52
SteckThank you, for example.. if we were out of feature freeze, would this be an easy to accomplish request?03:52
crimsun(up to) considerably easier03:52
SteckIs that something that may be easier to request as a backport in intrepid once released?03:54
RAOFYes, assuming that it fits the backport criteria.03:56
RAOFAlso, it only gets into Intrepid backports if it's _already_ upgraded in Jaunty.03:57
Elbrusjdong: building fpc in intrepid is not enough, it looks like lazarus has to be rebuild as well: lazarus-ide depends on fpc-abi-2.2 (the new fpc provides fpc-abi-2.2.2)03:57
CarlFK1is there a qemu.deb of qemu's trunk?03:58
* RAOF wonders if the next abi for fpc will be 2.2.2.2?03:58
SteckThank you for your help crimsun and RAOF03:58
jdongRAOF: are you a fpc expert?04:02
jdongRAOF: I think I'm gonna regret the touched-it-last status04:02
RAOFI don't even know what fpc _is_.04:02
RAOFjdong: Welcome to the Miro experience!04:02
jdongRAOF: lol04:02
ElbrusAm I right you can use apt-cache rdepends to see reverse dependencies?04:09
jdongyeah04:09
ElbrusThen lazarus and fpc don't have much reverse dependencies04:09
jdongI'm a bit nervous about touching fpc if it breaks the ABI04:09
Elbrusseems I am nearly the first to use it for a package04:09
Elbrusthen I understand why there were so little bugs in Launchpad04:11
Elbrusjdong: *if* all works well, I'll put the fpc and lazarus in my ppa (with winff)04:15
jdongElbrus: you might be the first person to try Pascal in Ubuntu :D04:15
Elbrusjdong: I got that impression yes...04:16
Elbrusbut winff is really neat.04:16
Elbrusso I am just trying04:16
jdongyeah04:16
Elbrusit's tough thou for my FIRST package04:16
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tbielawasoren, I am interested in working on the cobbler deployment.06:37
tbielawaI'm reading over blueprints and mailing list archives now. But is there anything you can tell me specifically that should be mentioned?06:37
Nutzebahnhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/27221006:57
dholbachgood morning07:05
fabrice_spMorning Daniel07:06
dholbachhi fabrice_sp07:07
iulianGood morning dholbach.07:22
dholbachhiya iulian, hi Koon!07:22
Koonhello everyone !07:23
_rubengrmbl .. apparently my local archive (as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#Building%20With%20Local%20Packages) aint working properly .. when i apt-get update i get an Ign on the Release(.gpg) file, which is non-existent .. is dput/mini-dinstall supposed to create those files?08:13
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geser\o/ the u-u-s queue is now < 100 again12:39
* dholbach hugs geser! :)12:40
directhexand u-m-s?12:40
dholbachdirecthex: below 100 for quite a while12:40
geserdirecthex: I can't do anything about u-m-s :(12:40
directhex1  → 75  of 141 results12:40
dholbachdirecthex: that's including debian bugs12:41
dholbachtry these:12:41
dholbach - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-main-sponsors12:41
dholbach - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-universe-sponsors12:41
geserdholbach: thanks, those links are better then the ones I use usually12:43
dholbachde rien :)12:43
gesersome more sponsoring and the u-u-s queue fits again on one page12:43
DktrKranz77 bugs, from my POV12:44
DktrKranzquite lower than yesterday's 97 ;)12:44
dholbachI think we should be a bit more rigorous about unsubscribing the sponsors' teams12:44
dholbachin cases when there's still real work to be done12:44
directhexdholbach, 71 then12:44
dholbachright-o12:44
directhexbut order by least recently changed... and we have items in the list from 2005 O_o12:45
dholbachmaybe I should write a quick  unsub <bugnr>  script :)12:45
dholbachdirecthex: the BUGS are from 200512:45
directhexoh, wait. my search broke12:45
DktrKranzdirecthex, when I clear queue, I order bugs older touched first, so there's chances older contributions don't get lost12:46
directhex29 Confirmed bugs on the u-m-s list, the oldest being untouched since march12:46
directhexwhere some guy named daniel holback commented12:47
directhexs/ck/ch/12:49
* geser has finally the honour to sponsor crimsun after he sponsored me in the past12:53
dholbachhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/unsub if anybody's interested :)12:56
james_wdholbach: cool. Should it say "Please re-subscribe when ready"? Just so there can be no doubt, and so no fixes lost?12:57
dholbachjames_w: yeah, right, will add it12:58
dholbachthanks james_w, done12:58
* james_w hugs dholbach 12:59
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* dholbach hugs james_w back :)12:59
* tuxmaniac waves at dholbach 13:16
dholbachhi tuxmaniac13:18
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LucidFoxhttp://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/3106816.png <-- Ewwww...14:51
lagawhat's so "eww" about that? firefox? or gnome?14:52
directhexlaga, the theme?14:57
nxvlmorging14:57
bddebianHeya gang15:05
* directhex is still after a core dev to do fantastic magic things to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/monodoc/+bug/25685315:13
ubottuUbuntu bug 256853 in monodoc "[FFe][merge request] Please merge monodoc 1.9-2 from Debian Unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]15:14
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iulianHi15:43
bddebianHi iulian15:46
iulianHello bddebian.15:47
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geserHi iulian, bddebian15:52
bddebianHeya geser15:54
iulianHeya geser.16:02
laszlokhey dholbach16:19
dholbachhiya laszlok16:19
dholbachlaszlok: release time? :)16:19
laszlokyup :)16:19
laszlok0.10.1 tarball is on launchpad16:20
laszloka few bug fixes including the traceback you reported16:20
dholbachlaszlok: nice... I'll check it out in a bit16:21
directhexsomething gstreamer related?16:22
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dholbachdirecthex: jokosher (yes, gstreamer related) :)16:22
laszlokthanks a lot dholbach16:22
dholbachanytime16:22
directhexyou know what would be silly? if ubuntu came with gstreamer0.8-doc despite shipping gstreamer 0.1016:23
dholbach?16:23
directhexon a 101% unrelated note, have you ever heard mention of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/monodoc/+bug/256853 ?16:23
ubottuUbuntu bug 256853 in monodoc "[FFe][merge request] Please merge monodoc 1.9-2 from Debian Unstable" [Undecided,Confirmed]16:23
dholbachlaszlok: I'll give it a spin later on - thanks for your work on it!16:29
geserDktrKranz: can you put your ~sru-verification hat on and check if bug 224077 needs more testing or can finally be moved to hardy-updats?16:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 224077 in gnumed-client "Outdated (buggy) GNUmed version (0.2.8.2) in Hardy " [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22407716:52
bigonis it me or there is an issue with flashplugin-nonfree on amd64?17:04
DktrKranzgeser, three users seem to confirm your update works as expected, so I guess it's safe enough to copy it to -updates17:18
sebnerhuhu DktrKranz :)17:21
DktrKranzguten abend sebner17:22
sebnerDktrKranz: thumps up17:23
geserHi sebner17:23
sebneraloha geser :)17:23
* sebner is making a dance. gnome updates \o/17:24
slytherinare daily cd builds stopped currently?18:31
SyntuxGood day18:34
directhexdoes synaptic not use recommends by default?18:58
slytherindirecthex: it doesn't in hardy. in intrepid it does18:58
directhexslytherin, and aptitude does already. is that all of them, then, in intrepid?18:59
slytherinyes18:59
directhexokay, cheers18:59
* directhex closes a bug18:59
okar_if I start packaging a piece of software(for which I already filed a bug) and I am not part of the MOTU team, shall I assign this bug to me anyway?19:26
slytherinokar_: yes, once you have packaged it and uploaded to revu you can unassign it.19:27
okar_ok thank you19:28
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CarlFKwhat is the diff flags that should be used for creating patches?20:30
huatsdoes anyone has created an intrepid chroot lately ?20:52
huatsI cannot :(20:52
lagai did it today20:53
huatslaga: did you have no pb ?20:53
huatsI have some with exim :(20:53
lagaif by "pb" you mean "problems", then no20:53
huatsoups20:53
huatssrry20:54
huatsyep :)20:54
directhexwith exim? ubuntu doesn't install exim by default does it?20:54
lagain fact, i did it one hour ago or so20:54
huatsI mean problem20:54
directhexiirc it's nullmailer?20:54
huats:)20:54
huatshumw20:55
huatsweird20:55
huatsI'll check again20:55
huatslaga: can you give me the url you followed (if you followed something ?)20:56
lagamkdir intrepid; sudo debootstrap intrepid intrepid20:56
huatslaga:  that is what I did...20:56
huatsI'll do it again right now...20:56
directhexi wonder if my new office laptop will boot ubuntu20:57
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