[00:59]  * Hobbsee wishes ember would test build *before* he files sync requests.
[00:59] <asac> (win12
[01:01] <jdong> Hobbsee: oh that's always fun.
[01:01] <jdong> Hobbsee: like when people tell me a specific version of a backport builds and works fine and I get it and it fails on get-build-deps
[01:01] <Hobbsee> jdong: unless he has an ia64, or hppa, that never built here.
[01:01] <Hobbsee> jdong: ah yes.  well, backports == crack, so it's hardly surprising.
[01:05] <Hobbsee> actually, no, loic's filed this.
[01:05] <Hobbsee> ember's done the ftbfs fix.
[01:19]  * directhex wishes Hobbsee would do exciting, magical things to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/monodoc/+bug/256853
[01:25] <Elbrus> jdong: two days ago you fixed fp-units-gtk2 for me.
[01:25] <Elbrus> jdong: I tested the patch on my own system before I filed it, now with the patch applied I see all different failures to build
[01:26] <jdong> Elbrus: so the patch did not work?
[01:26] <Elbrus> jdong: do you now of other packages closely related to fpc that migt have change in the mean time?
[01:26] <Elbrus> jdong: well, the patch fixed my initial problem, but now I have a new one
[01:27] <Elbrus> jdong: and I am just not sure how or against what to file a bug (if I am not doing anything wrong myself)
[01:27] <jdong> ok can you pastebin the error or something?
[01:28] <Elbrus> jdong: I am running again "clean" (have been trying fixing all day)
[01:32] <Elbrus> jdong: http://paste.ubuntu.com/49118/
[01:32] <Elbrus> jdong: I can work around this by including some extra paths (-Fu and -Fi), but then I get an other problem
[01:35] <Elbrus> jdong: http://paste.ubuntu.com/49120/
[01:36] <Elbrus> jdong: if I replace the fond on line 65 in gtkdef.pp I get one step further, but again, errors... that is somewhere where I stopped
[01:37] <jdong> seems like similar errors to the earlier ones, but different place.
[01:37] <jdong> hmm does Debian's latest version work any better?
[01:38] <Elbrus> jdong: Debian Sid has worked for months
[01:38] <Elbrus> and still does
[01:38] <jdong> Elbrus: ok, so the debian sid version is good?
[01:38] <Elbrus> winff is in the NEW queue at Debian
[01:38] <jdong> well maybe we should just take that.
[01:38] <jdong> any fpc gurus awake in here?
[01:39] <jdong> does anything explode if we sync fpc from Sid?
[01:39] <Elbrus> jdong: do you want me to test using only debian fpc binaries in an intrepid environment?
[01:40] <Elbrus> if that is possible?
[01:40] <jdong> Elbrus: well I'd rather you build fpc from debian in an intrepid pbuilder
[01:40] <jdong> but first I need to know if I'll break anything else in Ubuntu by just pulling that package from debian
[01:41] <jdong> as you can tell I have no experience in the fpc world.
[01:42] <Elbrus> jdong: me neither, I was just building a package that uses it...
[01:42] <Elbrus> I'll be back shortly, food is ready :)
[02:51] <nhandler> I'm currently working on patching a .desktop file. The .desktop file contains multiple Comment fields for the same locale. These comments contain different values. What should I do about this? desktop-file-validate complains about having two comment fields for the same locale, and I am unable to read the actual comment to decide which one to keep
[02:57] <RAOF> nhandler: Ask in a #ubuntu-translators?
[02:57] <RAOF> Or ask the might google to translate it for you?
[02:58] <nhandler> RAOF: Is there a way to figure out the language that the two letters symbolize?
[02:58] <RAOF> Ask google to guess the language from the comment? :)
[02:59] <RAOF> Or, post the actual two-letter-code here or in #ubuntu-translators and see if someone knows?
[02:59] <Elbrus> RAOF: there appears to be no #ubuntu-translators
[03:01] <nhandler> Well, Google detected the LO comment as Laothian. However, it is unable to translate it to English
[03:01] <RAOF> Elbrus: What about the #ubuntu-translators channel that I just joined?
[03:02] <nhandler> It detected the FA comment as persian, but is unable to translate that to English either. I guess I'll try the -translators channel
[03:02] <Elbrus> RAOF: I don't get it, when I used the link to the channel in my IRC reader I got to an empty channal
[03:02] <nhandler> Elbrus: Try doing '/join #ubuntu-translators'
[03:03] <Elbrus> nhandler: at another try I got to the right channel..
[03:08] <nhandler> If nobody in the -translators channel is able to translate the strings, what should I do? Should I keep the comment that occurs later in the file (which I believe is the one that will be displayed)? Should I keep the comment that occurs first in the file? Should I remove both comments? Should I do nothing (and ignore the warning from desktop-file-validate)?
[03:09] <RAOF> nhandler: I'd probably do nothing to the desktop file, and file a bug upstream.
[03:10] <RAOF> nhandler: Since you've got no way to choose between the two comments, the default action should be to do nothing.
[03:10] <Elbrus> nhandler,RAOF: it's the same I would do.
[03:51] <Steck> If anyone is available to answer a question, do motu maintainers consider any new upstream releases for inclusion in intrepid?
[03:51] <Steck> Specifically, gnome-mud
[03:51] <Steck> I'm unfamiliar with this process on a whole :)
[03:52] <crimsun> at this point, we're in feature freeze (as stated in the topic), but you can read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess for the process to request an exception
[03:52] <Steck> Thank you, for example.. if we were out of feature freeze, would this be an easy to accomplish request?
[03:52] <crimsun> (up to) considerably easier
[03:54] <Steck> Is that something that may be easier to request as a backport in intrepid once released?
[03:56] <RAOF> Yes, assuming that it fits the backport criteria.
[03:57] <RAOF> Also, it only gets into Intrepid backports if it's _already_ upgraded in Jaunty.
[03:57] <Elbrus> jdong: building fpc in intrepid is not enough, it looks like lazarus has to be rebuild as well: lazarus-ide depends on fpc-abi-2.2 (the new fpc provides fpc-abi-2.2.2)
[03:58] <CarlFK1> is there a qemu.deb of qemu's trunk?
[03:58]  * RAOF wonders if the next abi for fpc will be 2.2.2.2?
[03:58] <Steck> Thank you for your help crimsun and RAOF
[04:02] <jdong> RAOF: are you a fpc expert?
[04:02] <jdong> RAOF: I think I'm gonna regret the touched-it-last status
[04:02] <RAOF> I don't even know what fpc _is_.
[04:02] <RAOF> jdong: Welcome to the Miro experience!
[04:02] <jdong> RAOF: lol
[04:09] <Elbrus> Am I right you can use apt-cache rdepends to see reverse dependencies?
[04:09] <jdong> yeah
[04:09] <Elbrus> Then lazarus and fpc don't have much reverse dependencies
[04:09] <jdong> I'm a bit nervous about touching fpc if it breaks the ABI
[04:09] <Elbrus> seems I am nearly the first to use it for a package
[04:11] <Elbrus> then I understand why there were so little bugs in Launchpad
[04:15] <Elbrus> jdong: *if* all works well, I'll put the fpc and lazarus in my ppa (with winff)
[04:15] <jdong> Elbrus: you might be the first person to try Pascal in Ubuntu :D
[04:16] <Elbrus> jdong: I got that impression yes...
[04:16] <Elbrus> but winff is really neat.
[04:16] <Elbrus> so I am just trying
[04:16] <jdong> yeah
[04:16] <Elbrus> it's tough thou for my FIRST package
[06:37] <tbielawa> soren, I am interested in working on the cobbler deployment.
[06:37] <tbielawa> I'm reading over blueprints and mailing list archives now. But is there anything you can tell me specifically that should be mentioned?
[06:57] <Nutzebahn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/272210
[07:05] <dholbach> good morning
[07:06] <fabrice_sp> Morning Daniel
[07:07] <dholbach> hi fabrice_sp
[07:22] <iulian> Good morning dholbach.
[07:22] <dholbach> hiya iulian, hi Koon!
[07:23] <Koon> hello everyone !
[08:13] <_ruben> grmbl .. apparently my local archive (as described in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#Building%20With%20Local%20Packages) aint working properly .. when i apt-get update i get an Ign on the Release(.gpg) file, which is non-existent .. is dput/mini-dinstall supposed to create those files?
[12:39] <geser> \o/ the u-u-s queue is now < 100 again
[12:40]  * dholbach hugs geser! :)
[12:40] <directhex> and u-m-s?
[12:40] <dholbach> directhex: below 100 for quite a while
[12:40] <geser> directhex: I can't do anything about u-m-s :(
[12:40] <directhex> 1  → 75  of 141 results
[12:41] <dholbach> directhex: that's including debian bugs
[12:41] <dholbach> try these:
[12:41] <dholbach>  - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-main-sponsors
[12:41] <dholbach>  - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.subscriber=ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[12:43] <geser> dholbach: thanks, those links are better then the ones I use usually
[12:43] <dholbach> de rien :)
[12:43] <geser> some more sponsoring and the u-u-s queue fits again on one page
[12:44] <DktrKranz> 77 bugs, from my POV
[12:44] <DktrKranz> quite lower than yesterday's 97 ;)
[12:44] <dholbach> I think we should be a bit more rigorous about unsubscribing the sponsors' teams
[12:44] <dholbach> in cases when there's still real work to be done
[12:44] <directhex> dholbach, 71 then
[12:44] <dholbach> right-o
[12:45] <directhex> but order by least recently changed... and we have items in the list from 2005 O_o
[12:45] <dholbach> maybe I should write a quick  unsub <bugnr>  script :)
[12:45] <dholbach> directhex: the BUGS are from 2005
[12:45] <directhex> oh, wait. my search broke
[12:46] <DktrKranz> directhex, when I clear queue, I order bugs older touched first, so there's chances older contributions don't get lost
[12:46] <directhex> 29 Confirmed bugs on the u-m-s list, the oldest being untouched since march
[12:47] <directhex> where some guy named daniel holback commented
[12:49] <directhex> s/ck/ch/
[12:53]  * geser has finally the honour to sponsor crimsun after he sponsored me in the past
[12:56] <dholbach> http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/unsub if anybody's interested :)
[12:57] <james_w> dholbach: cool. Should it say "Please re-subscribe when ready"? Just so there can be no doubt, and so no fixes lost?
[12:58] <dholbach> james_w: yeah, right, will add it
[12:58] <dholbach> thanks james_w, done
[12:59]  * james_w hugs dholbach 
[12:59]  * dholbach hugs james_w back :)
[13:16]  * tuxmaniac waves at dholbach 
[13:18] <dholbach> hi tuxmaniac
[14:51] <LucidFox> http://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/3106816.png <-- Ewwww...
[14:52] <laga> what's so "eww" about that? firefox? or gnome?
[14:57] <directhex> laga, the theme?
[14:57] <nxvl> morging
[15:05] <bddebian> Heya gang
[15:13]  * directhex is still after a core dev to do fantastic magic things to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/monodoc/+bug/256853
[15:43] <iulian> Hi
[15:46] <bddebian> Hi iulian
[15:47] <iulian> Hello bddebian.
[15:52] <geser> Hi iulian, bddebian
[15:54] <bddebian> Heya geser
[16:02] <iulian> Heya geser.
[16:19] <laszlok> hey dholbach
[16:19] <dholbach> hiya laszlok
[16:19] <dholbach> laszlok: release time? :)
[16:19] <laszlok> yup :)
[16:20] <laszlok> 0.10.1 tarball is on launchpad
[16:20] <laszlok> a few bug fixes including the traceback you reported
[16:21] <dholbach> laszlok: nice... I'll check it out in a bit
[16:22] <directhex> something gstreamer related?
[16:22] <dholbach> directhex: jokosher (yes, gstreamer related) :)
[16:22] <laszlok> thanks a lot dholbach
[16:22] <dholbach> anytime
[16:23] <directhex> you know what would be silly? if ubuntu came with gstreamer0.8-doc despite shipping gstreamer 0.10
[16:23] <dholbach> ?
[16:23] <directhex> on a 101% unrelated note, have you ever heard mention of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/monodoc/+bug/256853 ?
[16:29] <dholbach> laszlok: I'll give it a spin later on - thanks for your work on it!
[16:52] <geser> DktrKranz: can you put your ~sru-verification hat on and check if bug 224077 needs more testing or can finally be moved to hardy-updats?
[17:04] <bigon> is it me or there is an issue with flashplugin-nonfree on amd64?
[17:18] <DktrKranz> geser, three users seem to confirm your update works as expected, so I guess it's safe enough to copy it to -updates
[17:21] <sebner> huhu DktrKranz :)
[17:22] <DktrKranz> guten abend sebner
[17:23] <sebner> DktrKranz: thumps up
[17:23] <geser> Hi sebner
[17:23] <sebner> aloha geser :)
[17:24]  * sebner is making a dance. gnome updates \o/
[18:31] <slytherin> are daily cd builds stopped currently?
[18:34] <Syntux> Good day
[18:58] <directhex> does synaptic not use recommends by default?
[18:58] <slytherin> directhex: it doesn't in hardy. in intrepid it does
[18:59] <directhex> slytherin, and aptitude does already. is that all of them, then, in intrepid?
[18:59] <slytherin> yes
[18:59] <directhex> okay, cheers
[18:59]  * directhex closes a bug
[19:26] <okar_> if I start packaging a piece of software(for which I already filed a bug) and I am not part of the MOTU team, shall I assign this bug to me anyway?
[19:27] <slytherin> okar_: yes, once you have packaged it and uploaded to revu you can unassign it.
[19:28] <okar_> ok thank you
[20:30] <CarlFK> what is the diff flags that should be used for creating patches?
[20:52] <huats> does anyone has created an intrepid chroot lately ?
[20:52] <huats> I cannot :(
[20:53] <laga> i did it today
[20:53] <huats> laga: did you have no pb ?
[20:53] <huats> I have some with exim :(
[20:53] <laga> if by "pb" you mean "problems", then no
[20:53] <huats> oups
[20:54] <huats> srry
[20:54] <huats> yep :)
[20:54] <directhex> with exim? ubuntu doesn't install exim by default does it?
[20:54] <laga> in fact, i did it one hour ago or so
[20:54] <huats> I mean problem
[20:54] <directhex> iirc it's nullmailer?
[20:54] <huats> :)
[20:55] <huats> humw
[20:55] <huats> weird
[20:55] <huats> I'll check again
[20:56] <huats> laga: can you give me the url you followed (if you followed something ?)
[20:56] <laga> mkdir intrepid; sudo debootstrap intrepid intrepid
[20:56] <huats> laga:  that is what I did...
[20:56] <huats> I'll do it again right now...
[20:57] <directhex> i wonder if my new office laptop will boot ubuntu