[06:00] <cwillu> I guess it's that time, isn't it?
[06:00] <cwillu> update-manager -c -d still the right magic?
[08:02] <davmor2> Good morning Everybody!
[08:03] <ara> morning davmor2
[08:03] <davmor2> ara: did heno say how to go with the wiki pages in the end?
[08:04] <ara> davmor2: he made a proposal for Firefox3. I will review it and talk to you and him later
[08:04] <davmor2> Sound
[08:08] <ara> Hello all! We remember you that today is the first Ubuntu Testing Day!
[08:09] <ara> If you want to help with Ubuntu and don't know where to start this is the perfect ocassion
[08:09] <ara> we will be testing Intrepid Alpha 6 Live sessions, so you won't need to install anything on your systems
[08:10] <ara> Here you will find the links to the ISO cd images to test: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/UbuntuTestingDay/20080922#Which%20release%20we%20will%20be%20testing?
[08:10] <ara> more information about the testing day can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/UbuntuTestingDay/20080922
[08:10] <ara> we will be here all day to answer the questions you might have
[08:14] <Kesman> oh man if there was a file that I just could put on my usb-stick and boot with it
[08:15] <ara> Kesman: you can download the ISO and use virtualbox to launch it
[08:15] <ara> Kesman: in case you don't want to burn a CD
[08:15] <Kesman> never tought about that :P
[08:18] <ara> Kesman: here there is a small doc on how to install virtualbox: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[08:19] <Kesman> thanks
[09:30] <thekorn_> happy testing-day!
[09:32] <thekorn_> hmm, should changing the status via the fusa applet change the status of pidgin?
[09:37] <davmor2> thekorn_: Apparantly so yes
[09:40] <thekorn_> davmor2: just found out, it works, the only state which does not work is 'busy' as pidgin does not have such a state
[09:40] <thekorn_> at least in a default live session
[09:45] <davmor2> thekorn_: no it doesn't it has invisible instead :) I don't know whether you can mod the invisible to be busy and get round it that way.  However it's really made for empathy which does have a busy :)
[09:50] <thekorn_> right, but noone knows when empathy will make its way as default IM into ubuntu
[09:53] <thekorn_> other question: how exactly should this installing of restricted driver for graphic cards work? in a perfect world this would not require any session log out/log in, right?
[09:54] <thekorn_> and compiz should be usable right after jockey finished the installing process
[09:54] <Tech2000> Hi, I know this is not the correct place to ask but I'll try anyway...   Is it a common problem with that some usb stuff, like a n old pendrive (markvision) and a gps unit (magellan 4215) makes the computer hangs...  It frezes completly.  :(
[09:56] <davmor2> Tech2000: your right it's not the right place and maybe you could be more specific like which version of what your running?
[09:57] <davmor2> thekorn_: In an ideal world that would be the case unfortunately it needs to resart X to kick in which does require a restart :(
[09:58] <davmor2> or hitting alt-ctrl-backspace should do it too as it restarts the session and x also IIRC
[09:58] <Tech2000> davmor2: I have tried it on all versions from 7.04 -> Intrepid Ibex
[09:58] <Tech2000> And the same issues on all platforms..
[09:58] <davmor2> Tech2000: is it a hand built system?
[09:58] <Tech2000> Yes..
[09:59] <davmor2> is it the front usb slot?
[09:59] <davmor2> if so try the back one and see if it has the same result
[09:59] <Tech2000> No. I'm using the usb ports from the mobo.. (at the back)
[10:00] <davmor2> bizarre how old is the system?
[10:00] <Tech2000> And I have acctuallt tried the usb ports on all places..
[10:00] <Tech2000> I'ts from december 07
[10:00] <davmor2> daft question probably but it is USB2.0 and not 1.0 isn't it?
[10:01] <Tech2000> it's a amdx4 4 gb ram, geforce 8800
[10:01] <thekorn_> davmor2: after restarting X everything works :) but I thought jockey is doing some magic, because I hear the login sound twice during the process of installing the driver
[10:01] <Tech2000> yes. it's 2.0
[10:02] <davmor2> thekorn_: Pass as far as I knew you needed to reboot.  It should infact throw up a reboot icon once installed.
[10:04] <thekorn_> davmor2: no, unfortunatly no "please log out/log in"-notification in a live session for me, but will try it again in a bit to be sure
[10:04] <davmor2> Tech2000: seems strange that the only time I ever had an issue similar was when I had reversed the the cables on the front usb by accident.
[10:06] <davmor2> thekorn_: My bag thought you had installed you can't reboot Live your only meant to really install the binary blob once installed I think is the idea.  Let me check.....
[10:06] <Tech2000> davmor2: well, that is not the case here..  I know all cables are connected correct and the rest of the USB stuff works just fine..   mouse, keyboard and mobile phone...
[10:07] <Tech2000> so, it beats me too..
[10:15] <davmor2> thekorn_: https://launchpad.net/bugs/272238
[10:17] <davmor2> Tech2000: have you tried either of those devices on other machines?  It may be a fault with the device?
[10:17] <thekorn_> davmor2: cool thanks, I will add a comment there about my experience in a live session
[10:18] <Tech2000> yes, tha sad truth is I have tried it on other maschines (windows) and the stuff works there..
[10:18] <davmor2> thekorn_: I think there is a bug about the music being played too I'll try tracking it down
[10:21] <thekorn_> asac: hi, I'm testing in a intrepid live session right now, after installing a driver with jockey all my network devices are shown twice in the nm-applet list, is this a known bug, is it a bug in jockey or nm?
[10:22] <Tech2000> Thanks for the help but I'll have to wait and see if the GPS will get 'supported' in the future...   Maybe the pendrive on the other hand is ready for the trash..   It's very old.. 256 mb...
[10:23] <davmor2> Tech2000: try pluggin' it in before you switch on your machine
[10:24] <davmor2> if it hangs then you may be able to get some sort of error message from the system
[10:24] <Tech2000> Where can one get more involved with ubuntu... I'm an ambassador and I spread the word pretty good...   I have turned my whole family over to ubuntu...   From kids  aged 4 -> to my father (61)...  :)
[10:25] <Tech2000> davmor2: I'll do that the next reboot..  ;)
[10:26] <davmor2> find your loco team join their mailing list.  test the latest iso https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/UbuntuTestingDay/20080922 . Join the bug squad etc etc etc
[10:26] <Tech2000> I wanted to more involved with the swedish translations, but unfortunatly the swedish translationteam doesn't want more translators...   So I'm still looking for something meaningsful to do..
[10:27] <Tech2000> thx for link...   I'll take a look..
[10:27] <davmor2> thekorn_: that might be a glitch with live
[10:29] <thekorn_> davmor2: sorry, which one? the nm-applet bug or the restart X bug?
[10:30] <Tech2000> can all this testing be done in a virtual environment?  I mean is the test equal to a 'normal' test?
[10:30] <davmor2> nm-applet
[10:30] <davmor2> Tech2000: yes https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox or in kvm if you prefer
[10:31] <Tech2000> cool. I'm running virtualbox since ages, so that'll be fine..
[10:31] <Tech2000> thanks for the info...
[10:31] <davmor2> Tech2000: No Problems
[10:33] <Tech2000> btw, isn't there a better way to make people aware of the testing...   I mean it would be cool to have all kind of ways to help out presented on a single page...   maybe a thought for brainstorm...
[10:44] <Kesman> well there are links to subscribe to the mailing lists
[10:44] <davmor2> add it to brainstorm but there have been a few announcements about today :)
[11:55] <asac> thekorn_: its a reported issue, yes.
[12:07] <davmor2> ara: what was decided about layout for the wiki?
[12:08] <ara> davmor2: attachments will be in the application page, and each test case will have an id
[12:08] <ara> davmor2: https://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Instructions/TestCaseIDTracker
[12:09] <davmor2> just got the mail about it :)
[12:10] <davmor2> So you want the large image uploading to each on of the test page and the table with the image in replacing with heno's code and the screenshot page removing then?
[12:11] <davmor2> s/on of/one of
[12:14] <terminator_> Have tried the Live-CD and the Alternate CD and both load perfectly.  What ever you did between alpha 5 and alpha 6 worked.
[12:17] <ara> davmor2: yep
[12:17] <davmor2> okay I'll get that done this afternoon then :)
[12:18] <davmor2> ara: ^
[12:18] <ara> davmor2: cool, I am also doing a bit on that
[12:31] <davmor2> heno: Morning :)
[12:32] <ara> heno: hey :-)
[12:32] <heno> hey!
[12:32] <heno> How is testing day going? :)
[12:34] <ara> heno: for a first day I think is going well. we need to improve things like how to track what people are testing and so forth, but community seems interested in the idea
[12:37]  * ara -> lunch
[12:38] <heno> ara, davmor2: cool. Are we continuing to collect results on Alpha 6 in the tracker?
[12:38] <davmor2> seem to be there were 8 people who have test live session now instead of 1or 2
[12:39] <heno> I've changed its status to released from testing - it will still accept reports though
[12:39] <heno> (I hope)
[12:39] <davmor2> :)
[12:40] <heno> Looks like we are in general agreement on the testcase wiki structure so we can move cases across today
[12:42] <heno> test ID on the form aaa-0000, each app has its own page with screenshots attached directly (no thumbnails), install tests pull in fragments of app pages
[12:44] <davmor2> heno: yes I'm going to up-date all the images on the page this afternoon
[12:45] <heno> excellent! I'll do some general migration and structure edits as well
[12:46] <heno> should we set a time line for completing the migration? stgraber will need to point the tracker at the new URLs as well
[12:55] <davmor2> I think to be honest heno that it shouldn't be a problem for the tests we have to be done for beta.  However if we're going to do new test cases for all the versions then between beta and rc would be more relistic
[12:58] <stgraber> heno: I'll also need to drop Kubuntu-kde4 from the tracker and maybe some other small changes.
[13:00] <heno> right
[13:57] <davmor2-lunch> Does anyone have a working screensaver on intrepid?  On mine it fades to black and then wakes up again instantly
[14:10] <ara> davmor2: haven't tried, sorry
[14:11] <thekorn> davmor2, same for me (in a live session)
[14:12] <davmor2> mines installed :(  I don't think it's a crash though I'll ask about and see if there is a way to catch it
[14:26] <davmor2> ara: heno: Flying through adding the resize script and attachment to the current tests
[14:26] <ara> davmor2: cool :)
[14:31] <davmor2> heno: ara: how the hell do you remove an attachment?
[14:31] <ara> davmor2: go to the right column menu, attachments
[14:31] <ara> davmor2: then you can select them to delete
[14:40] <davmor2> ara: Where on attachments page I have get|view only on the drop down menu there is no mention of remove :(
[14:42] <ara> davmor2: maybe is a permissions issue. what do you get in this link? https://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu/Applications/GEdit/Attachments?action=AttachFile&do=del&target=gedit-tn.png
[14:43] <davmor2> you are not allowed to delete attachments on this page :)
[14:43] <ara> :-)
[14:43] <ara> davmor2: tell me what do you need to delete
[14:45] <davmor2> ara: on calculator I uploaded the -tn.png that needs removing and on evolution I forgot to add .png on the end on evo-contacts so that need removing too please
[14:45] <ara> davmor2: ok. i will ping schwuk later on to see what's up with the permissions
[14:45] <davmor2> ta :)
[14:46] <heno> weird, I didn't think it had special permission setups
[14:47] <ara> davmor2: done. the evo-contacts has been renamed to evo-contacts.png and the -tn.png on calculator has been removed
[14:47] <davmor2> ara: ta
[14:48] <davmor2> heno you and ara both have page on the new wiki?
[14:49] <davmor2> ie there is a link attached to your names there isn't on mine
[14:49] <davmor2> could that have something to do with it?
[14:50] <heno> they all seem to point to our LP pages
[14:52] <davmor2> heno: this link https://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/HenrikOmma on mine I get no link.  Is this because your account is different?
[14:53] <heno> davmor2: could be - Let's ask schwuk
[15:11]  * ara hugs davmor2
[15:11] <ara> davmor2: great work you're doing with the new testcases wiki :)
[15:12] <davmor2> ara: heno: that's all the attachments and updates to the display script done
[15:14] <heno> davmor2: rock!
[15:20] <davmor2> ara: heno: are we going with the footer with other apps at the bottom of each page?
[15:20] <ara> davmor2: yes, it could be useful
[15:21] <davmor2> I'll drop that in next then.
[15:25] <schwuk> heno: normal users don't get delete permissions - it's the same as wiki.ubuntu.com
[15:27] <heno> schwuk: can you set your skype to normal mode?
[15:27] <schwuk> heno: it is
[15:35] <davmor2> ara: brasero doesn't seem to be in the table but is listed on the footer so I've added the image and footer to it okay
[15:35] <ara> davmor2: sure. my mistake. thanks
[15:39] <davmor2> ara: right then I'll start at the bottom and work my way up the list :)
[15:39] <ara> davmor2: hehehe
[15:41] <nullack> Hi everyone :)
[15:42] <davmor2> hello :)
[15:46] <stgraber> hey
[15:47] <davmor2> stgraber: hello :)
[15:48] <ara> nullack, stgraber: afternoon
[16:09] <davmor2> nee to reboot brb
[16:20]  * davmor2 thinks pidgin has a memory leak 308 to 341 and I only got pidgin open :(
[19:23] <heno> cr3: I'm getting no response from the certification site
[19:23] <jwessel> What is the URL for reporting a problem?
[19:24] <maco> jwessel: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[19:24] <heno> jwessel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[19:24] <jwessel> "cpio -idm --owner=root:root"   doesn't work in 8.10
[19:24] <jwessel> The problem is fixed already upstream in debian.
[19:25] <maco> er, ubuntu/+bugs
[19:25] <heno> maco, jwessel: please refer to the ReportingBugs page though
[19:26] <jwessel> Yup the page explained I just need to run ubuntu-bug :-)
[19:26] <heno> we prefer bugs to be filed with ubuntu-bugs where possible
[19:26] <heno> because then we get the right attachments
[19:26] <cr3> heno: I see the problem, reporting bug and restarting server
[19:27] <heno> cr3: thanks
[19:27]  * heno afk
[19:28] <maco> heno: does that require still having that nagware, apport, installed?
[19:39] <jwessel> Thanks maco & heno. bug reported.  Cheers.