[00:53] <Catoptromancy> Does the install without a desktop only a feature for xubuntu?
[00:53] <Catoptromancy> I downloaded the alternate iso, but didnt see an option to do a minimal style install
[00:54] <Odd-rationale> Catoptromancy: you have to press like f4 on the boot menu... or somthing...
[00:54] <Odd-rationale> then select command line install...
[00:54] <Catoptromancy> ya I checked all options on boot menu
[00:54] <Catoptromancy> didnt see that
[00:54] <Odd-rationale> all alternative cd have this....
[00:54] <Odd-rationale> hmm...
[00:54] <Catoptromancy> hmmm
[00:54] <Catoptromancy> I had ubuntu alteranate
[00:55] <Catoptromancy> and tried every menu, since I couldnt find it
[00:57] <Odd-rationale> Catoptromancy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems
[01:00] <Catoptromancy> ya i enabled that
[01:00] <Odd-rationale> because i could find that option on the lastest 8.04 alt cd...
[01:01] <Catoptromancy> text based installer? or actually installing only text based system?
[01:01] <Catoptromancy> xubuntu-desktop is bloated
[01:01] <Catoptromancy> was going to just use openbox or sapphire without a de
[01:02] <Odd-rationale> Catoptromancy: heard of lxde?
[01:02] <Catoptromancy> ?
[01:02] <Odd-rationale> http://lxde.org
[01:02] <Odd-rationale> uses openbox as the default wm
[01:03] <Odd-rationale> might be a lighter alternative to xfce for some...
[01:03] <favro> I thought at the install prompt you had to type   install cli
[01:03] <Odd-rationale> favro: that is for the mini iso...
[01:03] <Catoptromancy> heh I just put debian, but ill probably end up formatting that
[01:04] <favro> ok :)
[01:04] <Catoptromancy> I can choose what packages I can install
[01:04] <Catoptromancy> slack/freebsd style installer would be awesome
[01:04] <Odd-rationale> Catoptromancy: you can do the same in ubuntu... just don't install xubuntu-desktop and install the xfce4 packages instead...
[01:04] <Catoptromancy> ya
[01:05] <Catoptromancy> but it forced me to install whole thing
[01:05] <Odd-rationale> i personally use arch linux.
[01:05] <Catoptromancy> and on that box ubuntu has never isntalled
[01:05] <Catoptromancy> it locks up installer
[01:19] <danopia> opps?
[03:23] <DasYogi> Quick question - how do you manually set up a wired network connection in xubuntu?
[04:06] <Fersure> Morning.
[04:07] <Odd-rationale> evening
[04:54] <flyback> is there some magic I have to do in X when I change a video card
[04:54] <flyback> cause it's only giving me 800x600 in settings manager now
[04:54] <flyback> what the canuck
[04:54] <flyback> X sees the card btw
[04:55]  * flyback loses his mind
[04:55] <flyback> at least it's not as bad as feDORKA
[04:55] <flyback> canucking piece of s*** just aborts out the whole X and all my apps without asking if I try to change res
[04:57] <Odd-rationale> flyback: can you pastebin your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
[04:57] <flyback> ugh
[04:57] <flyback> might be a tad card
[04:58] <Odd-rationale> here's an easy way: sudo apg-get update; sudo apt-get install pastebinit; cat /etc/X11/xorg.con | pastebinit
[04:58] <Odd-rationale> *conf
[04:58] <flyback> eh
[04:58] <flyback> that last part
[04:59] <flyback> is that a correct or part of that line
[04:59] <Odd-rationale> the laste part i meant to write: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | pastebinit
[05:00] <flyback> nice trick
[05:00] <flyback> damn in all my yrs of hw and sw hacking
[05:00] <flyback> damn
[05:00] <Odd-rationale> flyback: got the link?
[05:00] <flyback> hang on the box is old and it's also a vm host
[05:01] <flyback> so I hope I don't have to reboot it again
[05:02] <flyback> oh that owns your "canuck"
[05:02] <flyback> http://pastebin.com/f25095e36
[05:05] <flyback> it's not critical I will just do without the box if I have to
[05:05] <Odd-rationale> flyback: ok. so what card do you have?
[05:05] <flyback> I tried both a rage pro  and a rage128
[05:05] <flyback> used to have a tnt
[05:05] <Odd-rationale> flyback: can you pastebin the output of xrandr ?
[05:05] <flyback> where do I find that
[05:06] <flyback> would you rather have my x.org log
[05:06] <Odd-rationale> flyback: just type "xrandr" in a terminal
[05:06] <flyback> said can't open display
[05:06] <flyback> I am NOT in front of that box right now nor can I be
[05:07] <Odd-rationale> oh ok...
[05:07] <flyback> I think I will just punt for tonight
[05:07] <Odd-rationale> ok...
[05:07] <flyback> I was just hoping I was missing something dumb
[05:08] <flyback> wtf
[05:08] <flyback> looks like it did the same shit the last card did
[05:08] <flyback> just wrote off all the resolutions as hsync out of range
[05:08] <flyback> pos
[05:37] <flyback> thx anyways
[05:37] <flyback> i'll just live with the shit card
[05:37] <flyback> not worth it
[05:41] <flyback> great now that won't work either
[05:41]  * flyback will format tomarrow
[05:43] <flyback> yeah that's the final straw
[09:29] <Theban> I like the look and feel of how nautilus handles ftp, is there something similar for the xfce desktop environment?
[09:32] <TheSheep> Theban: no, use an actual ftp client
[09:32] <TheSheep> Theban: or you could mount an ftp filesystem with fuse
[09:32] <Theban> is there a gui one though
[09:32] <Theban> aha, that sounds good
[09:32] <TheSheep> Theban: gftp has gui, for example
[09:33] <Theban> a gui like thunar?
[09:33] <Theban> i think i'll try the mounting with fuse option
[09:35] <Theban> ty so much TheSheep
[09:35] <TheSheep> no, a gui like an ftp client, not like a file manager
[09:35] <Theban> the mount option is perfect for me
[09:36] <Theban> I was trying debmirror earlier and it kept stopping with less than 10% done and stating "Transfer truncated"
[09:36] <Theban> so I decided to just ftp it and copy/paste
[09:42] <Theban> alright, one last question before i go
[09:43] <Theban> why does Thunar have large font for everything when run as normal user but looks perfectly fine when run as root?
[09:43] <Theban> how can i fix this?
[09:54] <TheSheep> Theban: settings->setting manager->user interface and set the font size there
[09:55] <Theban> it says Font is Sans 9
[09:56] <Theban> and that settings applies to all windows and Thunar with the only one with the large font
[09:56] <TheSheep> is this a normal install of xubuntu?
[09:57] <Theban> yes
[09:57] <Theban> 8.04.1
[09:57] <favro> might be something in .config
[09:57] <TheSheep> do you have a .gtkrc-2.0 file in your home directory?
[09:57] <Theban> before and after updates right after install, it was like that
[09:58] <Theban> nope
[09:58] <TheSheep> Theban: it's a hidden file...
[09:58] <Theban> i know that
[09:58] <TheSheep> ok
[09:58] <Theban> hidden files are shown..
[09:58] <Theban> lol
[09:59] <Theban> .gstreamer-0.10 then .local
[09:59] <Theban> it would be between them
[09:59] <TheSheep> what if you try a different theme?
[09:59] <Theban> it was that way out of box, after update, then after i changed themes but i will happily check any theme
[09:59] <Theban> which theme should i try?
[10:00] <TheSheep> any
[10:00] <TheSheep> Human, for example, or murrina stormcloud
[10:01] <Theban> Human is same
[10:01] <Theban> was already using Murrina
[10:01] <TheSheep> :/
[10:01] <Theban> yep, i'm baffled
[10:01] <TheSheep> Theban: no idea then, you might want to check the forums or bugtracker
[10:02] <Theban> the odd thing is, 7.10 doesn't have that problem out of box
[10:02] <Theban> but if you do all the updates
[10:02] <Theban> it appears
[10:02] <Theban> 8.04 has it already
[10:02] <TheSheep> not for me
[10:02] <Theban> odd
[10:03] <Theban> i can't figure out how it can only be thunar with the problem and to top it off, running it as root works fine
[10:03] <Theban> --_--
[10:04] <TheSheep> well, running it as root makes it use root's gtk theme
[10:05] <TheSheep> you can have rules in your gtk theme or gtkrc that target specific windows and specific applications
[10:05] <TheSheep> how about when you create a new user?
[10:18] <Theban> aha, someone found a fix
[10:18] <Theban> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/230857
[10:18] <TheSheep> Theban: great
[10:19] <Theban> ^_^
[10:21] <homebrewcider> Hi there, I attached a new scanner, but it's not getting picked up, is there a command to run to probe for new devices? Thanx
[10:21] <Theban> oh, yes actually
[10:21] <Theban> not the probe
[10:21] <Theban> but
[10:21] <Theban> 1 sec, i'll get the full info
[10:23] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: does lsusb list it?
[10:24] <homebrewcider> mmm
[10:24] <homebrewcider> not sure, this and the previous are both Canon
[10:25] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: lsusb will only display connected devices
[10:25] <homebrewcider> yes
[10:25] <homebrewcider> Bus 001 Device 013: ID 04a9:1725 Canon, Inc.
[10:25] <homebrewcider> ok
[10:26] <TheSheep> ok, install sane-utils and try running sane-find-scanner
[10:26] <TheSheep> ok, install sane-utils and try running sane-find-scanner
[10:26] <homebrewcider> sorry, acciddentally closed
[10:27] <homebrewcider> may have missed last post
[10:27] <homebrewcider> lsusb lists it
[10:33] <homebrewcider> nope
[10:34] <homebrewcider> now I got it
[10:34] <homebrewcider> cheers
[10:34] <homebrewcider> may have spoken too soon
[10:36] <homebrewcider> found USB scanner (vendor=0x04a9 [Canon], product=0x1725 [MP610 series]) at libusb:002:006 but scanner program finds nothing
[10:39] <TheSheep> homebrewcider: maybe check on sane.org if it's supported
[10:42] <homebrewcider> ok
[10:42] <homebrewcider> cheers
[11:20] <Ben_Cs> hello
[11:21] <Ben_Cs> what's the difference between gtkpod and gtkpod-aac?
[16:42]  * leche is away: Ich bin beschäftigt
[16:44] <TheSheep> leche: can you please disable that?
[16:44] <leche> TheSheep: it is
[16:44] <TheSheep> leche: thanks
[16:45] <leche> TheSheep: just wanted to know, what this option does ;-) i got punished in like 20 channels for it
[17:36] <vidd> anyone use wicd wireless network manager?
[17:39] <Odd-rationale> vidd: i've used is before... but not now...
[17:41] <vidd> what did you think?
[17:45] <Odd-rationale> vidd: it's ok... you need to try it for your self though...
[19:16] <gmstalk> hello?
[19:18] <gmstalk> help say
[19:23] <vidd> gmstalk, what up?
[19:23] <vidd> gmstalk, what up?
[19:23] <gmstalk> not much, it has been about 12 years since I used irc
[19:23] <gmstalk> so I am a bit rusty
[19:24] <vidd> hrm...i thought you were asking for help
[19:24] <gmstalk> I am, I am interested in creating an applauncher
[19:24] <gmstalk> in xfce
[19:24] <vidd> ok'
[19:24] <vidd> what problem are you having?
[19:24] <gmstalk> in gnome this is pretty easy, since it does it form
[19:25] <slimjimflim> what wifi program do you guys use?  i've used kwifi before, but i don't think xubuntu comes w/ one
[19:25] <gmstalk> Currently there is no "applications" button for example
[19:25] <vidd> gmstalk, what happened to it?
[19:25] <gmstalk> for wifi i use nm-applet
[19:25] <vidd> should be on the top panel, left side
[19:25] <gmstalk> I never had an applications button
[19:26] <vidd> do you have panels?
[19:26] <gmstalk> in xfce, only in gnome (ubunut)
[19:26] <vidd> ok...does your xfce have panels?
[19:26] <gmstalk> I think panels is part of the meta package
[19:26] <gmstalk> it should be installed
[19:27] <vidd> it is....but the question is....are they there?
[19:27] <gmstalk> yes, they are there
[19:27] <gmstalk> I have the clock and battery and such
[19:27] <gmstalk> but no applications button. I think I have to create on manually
[19:28] <vidd> then simply right-click where you want the Applications button to be....
[19:28] <vidd> choose "Add new Item"
[19:28] <gmstalk> ogo it, add new item
[19:28] <gmstalk> do I chose launcher?
[19:29] <vidd> xfce Menu
[19:29] <vidd> ^^^gives you the applications menu
[19:30] <gmstalk> poop, no xfce menu.
[19:30] <vidd> choose launcher if you want to make your own "quicklaunch" button
[19:30] <gmstalk> I have other things to chose, just no the xfce menu.
[19:30] <vidd> gmstalk, did you install xfce4 or or xubuntu-desktop?
[19:31] <gmstalk> I install xfce, perhaps I should have done the desktop instead?
[19:31] <vidd> yes...then you get the total package
[19:32] <gmstalk> I will do that. I think that must be it.
[19:32] <vidd> the command is sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[19:32] <gmstalk> I really like XFCE. I am using it for vid capture with kino.
[19:33] <gmstalk> the low overhead improved the quality. I just have a few annoyances and you have helped me. Thanks!
[19:33] <vidd> np
[19:34] <vidd> you have issues, you come here first!
[19:34] <vidd> =]
[19:37] <gmstalk> cool, I installed. I will check it out now. thanks again
[20:15] <Unbe> Hey, folks.  I've tried a million different ways of dealing with this problem, and I keep landing in the same place: is there a way to force Xubuntu's Xorg to use a particular screen geometry on startup, and *not* autodetect the display?
[20:16] <Unbe> When I start up headless, I get kicked into low graphics mode, and I want to force it to use the resolution I want so that I can VNC into my existing session.
[20:17] <Odd-rationale> Unbe: only happens when you start headless?
[20:17] <Unbe> Yeah.  With the monitor attached, it boots fine.
[20:18] <Unbe> And in fact, it uses the screen geometry I've set, which is not default for the monitor.
[20:19] <Odd-rationale> Unbe: try adding a mode subsection...
[20:20] <Odd-rationale> Unbe: see my "screen" section from my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/1208549
[20:20] <Odd-rationale> also...
[20:20] <Odd-rationale> !resolution
[20:21] <Unbe> Hmm.  So the low graphics warning is Ubuntu's response to X not finding a working graphics mode, based on autodetection?
[20:21] <Odd-rationale> Unbe: i'm not sure... it might be due to xorg trying to auto detect your settings but finding no monitor attached...
[20:22] <gmstalk> msg vidd
[20:23] <gmstalk> I had to remove xfce entirely, then install xubuntu-desktop, deleter the .cache stuff and it works great
[20:23] <Unbe> Odd-rationale: thanks.  I'll try setting things manually.  I hate dealing with xorg.conf.  :/  It's like kicking yourself in the teeth.
[20:23] <gmstalk> I have an application menu in xfce now.
[20:23] <gmstalk> thanks vidd
[20:23] <vidd> gmstalk, it is poor edicate to private message someone without asking permission first
[20:24] <gmstalk> ah, sorry about that
[20:24] <Odd-rationale> !pm
[20:24] <gmstalk> oh! OK
[20:24] <Myrtti> there are exceptions, but as a rule of thumb it's good to ask first
[20:26] <gmstalk> sorry everyone...join #penalty_box
[20:26] <vidd> hehe...no problem....
[20:26] <Myrtti> :-D
[20:26] <vidd> you said b4 that you havent been on IRC for several years
[20:27] <gmstalk> I used to do technical support on IRC back in 1996 for an ISP
[20:28] <gmstalk> but I forgot most of what I knew. Anyways, this was very helpful. More so than my google searches. So thanks.
[22:00] <roofy2k> can anyone tell me if there's an up to date HCL for xubuntu?
[22:08] <Odd-rationale> roofy2k: HCL? what does that stand for?
[22:09] <roofy2k> harware compatibility list, i'm tired of having NVIDIA issues, i was hoping to see a list of test hardware
[22:10] <Myrtti> !hardware
[22:10] <Myrtti> but I guess those you've read already
[22:10] <roofy2k> sweet
[23:57] <stweston> hello, everyone
[23:58] <stweston> is anyone there?
[23:59] <stweston> hello? is anyone there?