seeleRiddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/49480/00:24
seeleRiddell: should set default win size for first time running, when the app closes it will set it as the new default and the kde control module entry will remove itself00:24
seeleRiddell: there are a few apps that still don't obey the global icon setting, i'll fix that next00:25
Riddellseele: mm, you've been busy :)00:26
seeleRiddell: omg it took me forever to figure it out too.. but i'm glad i found this way instead of fifteen rc files00:27
seeleRiddell: we'll still need to replace a few rc files for the apps that don't obey the global setting, and i think there are a few apps that are better off as icon only (like konq)00:27
Riddellkonq is buggy for that, I think on restore it adds text to the icons00:29
Riddellto the toolbars I mean00:29
Riddellseele: kwinrulesrc uploading01:07
Riddelltime to snooze01:07
seeleRiddell: 'night01:08
txwikingerRiddell: still awake?01:11
Jucatohe snoozes fast :)01:12
txwikingerwell..it is the time to do it over there ;D01:14
goatsocksseele: some kde4 apps' default css stylesheets are prioritizing MS fonts ("arial", "verdana") over "sans", "sans-serif", or "monospace"... since msttcorefonts is a multiverse package shouldn't all explicit references to MS fonts be replaced with the generic names "sans" etc.?02:28
goatsocksseele: see: grep --include "*css" -Iri font /usr/share/kde4/* | grep family02:29
seelegoatsocks: hmm?02:34
goatsocksseele: for example, ktorrent's web interface serves up a css file that will tell your browser to use MS verdana or MS arial over DejaVu or whatever free font the user has chosen globally in KDE02:38
goatsocksif the user doesn't have msttcorefonts installed that's no problem, it'll default to "sans" (which in my case maps to DejaVu Sans), however i don't think hard-coding MS fonts is a good idea02:39
seeleoh, you mean in terms of the spacing being off?02:40
seelebut that shouldnt have changed from alpha 4 to 5 to 6, everything i tested were default installs02:40
goatsocksMS fonts render badly with freetype under Qt02:40
goatsocks(plus they're proprietary)02:41
goatsocksso let's say i've picked DejaVu Sans in System Settings as my global default app font02:41
goatsocksktorrent's web interface serves up a page that forces MS fonts first, and only if MS fonts are absent will it try my KDE global default DejaVu Sans02:42
goatsocksi could tell my browser to always use my custom fonts, but that kind of ignores the problem02:43
seeleah, well i'm not too concerned if someone is going to change the defaults.  if they can configure that, then they can probably deal with slight abnormalities which are equaly easy to fix02:44
seeleit only becomes a problem when a lot of people are doing the same thing and we can find a way of preventing it in a nice way02:45
seelebut i think must kubuntu users who arent uber power users just use it out of box02:45
apacheloggerArby: were you logged in?02:45
* apachelogger is pretty sure one can reopen bugs as normal users on bko02:45
goatsocksyeah they're changeable, i still think they're bad (as in bad taste) defaults though... i'll probably file a bug with some patches ;)02:46
apacheloggerGood morning everyone02:46
goatsockshi apachelogger02:46
seelegoatsocks: you mean using MS fonts in the style cheet?02:46
goatsocksseele: yeah02:46
seeleyeah i agree, especially in an os that is so finicky about pure oss02:47
seeleer, distribution even02:47
goatsockspersonally i think setting specific fonts should be removed from the CSS spec, you should only be able to set generic font families like sans-serif, serif, and monospace02:49
* goatsocks hates when "fancy" websites make assumptions about my fonts02:49
seeleeven then is a lot of control by the app.. they shouldnt be setting any font sizes or styles, it should be consistent with the environment02:49
apacheloggerjtechidna: that is actually pretty sad02:49
seelea label should be the same size and style as all the other labels and not different for one app02:50
apacheloggerjtechidna: I wonder if we should backport 4.1 to gutsy ;-)02:50
apacheloggerkde rev 86373803:10
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=863738&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 86373803:10
apacheloggerRiddell: where to move bug 272991 to?04:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 272991 in kubuntu-meta "intrepid alpha 6: no video during install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27299104:30
Arby_Riddell: I mailed you a debdiff for the ktimetracker fix.06:41
Arby_let me know if there's anything wrong with it06:42
Arby_it's pretty small anyway.06:42
apacheloggerjtechidna: shouldn't we get lancelot 103 in?06:50
apacheloggerkde bug 17020307:57
ubottuKDE bug 170203 in kcal "kmail crashes on Outlook generated calendar invitation" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17020307:57
apacheloggerNightrose, seaLne: bug 50686 - I get obnoxious from bugs where upstreams says it is fixed but our report isn't08:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 50686 in kdepim "IMAP connections sometimes break and kmail must be closed to fix" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/5068608:05
apacheloggeryuriy: you might want to reopen kde bug 3057208:07
ubottuKDE bug 30572 in general "KPPP missing speed 33800" [Normal,Resolved: invalid] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3057208:07
apacheloggerkde rev 85726208:15
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=857262&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 85726208:15
Tonio_hi there09:32
Riddellapachelogger: xserver-xorg09:34
apacheloggerTonio_: hey, when are you pusing a new kdesudo to intrepid?09:40
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, powerdevil is waiting in new ;-)09:42
Tonio_apachelogger: when I can fix that kprocess issue10:06
Tonio_apachelogger: it is polling for something I can't figure out...10:06
apacheloggerTonio_: I though you converted to qprocess?10:06
Tonio_apachelogger: same problem10:06
Tonio_apachelogger: I suspect a qt issue to be honnest10:06
Tonio_apachelogger: completly random, dunno what happens10:07
Tonio_apachelogger: for example some apps do start with kdesudo, some don't....10:07
Tonio_apachelogger: looks like something is broken or incomplete in the qprocess environment where the process is running10:08
Tonio_apachelogger: I may not be able to fix that one myself....10:08
apacheloggerTonio_: you might get some KDE guy to help ... but I think you should push the current kdesudo ASAP to do quality assurance on it10:10
* apachelogger is going to commit 23 days of 5-a-day work10:11
apacheloggerneversfelde: I hope you are happy10:11
apacheloggerwasting my precious time with that stuff10:11
Tonio_apachelogger: will do today then ;)10:14
apacheloggeroh kay10:16
* jussi01 hugs apachelogger... why? just cause... :)10:18
* apachelogger starts writing the 3rd ruby script today :D10:19
neversfeldeapachelogger: ?10:40
apacheloggerneversfelde: 5-a-day dood10:40
neversfeldeapachelogger: thats mcas. My 5-a-day stuff is always broken :)10:42
apacheloggeryus, but you complained when I said that I don't do 5adaying10:43
neversfeldeanyway, I am happy^^10:43
* apachelogger really should use dimap10:57
apacheloggerthat amount of arguments is awesome11:00
metelliusI extracted the ppa kdelibs package you built, how can I cleanly compile the package with CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=debugfull?11:28
metelliusI see some if's for DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, but my packaging and bash skills are very low11:29
apacheloggermetellius: it is built wiht debugfull IIRC11:44
gnomefreakif anyone has grub splash (picture in grub) can you please give me the first few lines of /boot/grub (just the part that defines the grub image)12:16
jtechidnaapachelogger: it is in12:21
jtechidnaapachelogger: the svn revision is because he hasn't been making tags for 1.0.x when he's been releasing them12:22
smartersorry to have been a bit MIA these last days, I had some times this afternoon and decided to empty my TODO list ;)13:20
smarterKepas FFe: bug #27355313:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 273553 in kepas "[Feature Freeze Exception] kepas 0.9+svn080923" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27355313:20
smarterGuidance Power Manager 4.1.1: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/guidance/powermanager-ubuntu13:22
smarterFix for bug #269598: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/bespin/ubuntu13:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 269598 in kde4-style-bespin "configure bespin in system settings fails" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26959813:23
smarterRiddell: ^ Could you please take a look and upload gpm and bespin? :)13:24
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smarterRiddell: Hi, have you seen my message before netsplit? if not: http://pastebin.com/m344e892d I've uploaded a debdiff for gpm here: http://smarter.free.fr/pkg/guidance-power-manager_4.1.0-0ubuntu4_4.1.1-0ubuntu1.debdiff14:13
smarterand you can get the bespin one by running bzr diff -r20..2114:13
* smarter takes a deep breath before pushing the send button of his MOTU Application :)14:13
jtechidnaapachelogger: ^ lol14:14
smarterjtechidna: hey14:14
smarterhow is it going?14:14
jtechidnapretty good, school's back but I'm managing14:15
smartersame for me14:16
smarterwell, I've some problem with the managing part :]14:16
* smarter off to school14:30
Riddellwell, upgrading from hardy KDE 3 worked14:33
Hobbseealways a good start.14:35
Riddellalso knetworkmanager is just as broken in suse's beta as it is in intrepid14:35
jjesseagreed, tried it the other day and it doesn't work correctly in my vm at all14:36
jjessefor open suse14:36
Riddellrgreening: desktop-effects-kde uploaded14:52
rgreeningonly for intrepid right? cause it would break under hardy without the install-package being available/installed.14:53
rgreeningI feel like a McDonald's commercial "I'm Lovin' it".14:55
apacheloggerjtechidna: I absolutely don't agree on closing kpdf bugs15:01
apacheloggerIIRC recent versions of kpdf were using poppler15:01
apacheloggerso assuming a lot of the issues are actually in the backend anyway closing doesn't make sense here15:02
apacheloggerbesides, okular relies on the same basis anyway I think15:02
jtechidnawell, they were caused by patches to kpdf, apparently15:02
jtechidnaor so sez upstream15:03
apacheloggerjtechidna: upstream used to be grumpy because of the amount of bugs in it's product ;-)15:04
jtechidnahehe, I saw from the bug reports15:05
apacheloggerit's your call anyway, I am just suggesting that an investigation probably makes sense because all the floss pdf readers relay on the same basis one way or another15:06
jtechidnaI guess it wouldn't hurt to ask if it was still happening in Intrepid15:06
jtechidnaHmm, I think we should steal Opensuse's patches for panel autohiding and kwin cube15:07
apacheloggerthey both don't have QA15:07
apacheloggerwe really can't include fancy stuff we don't get the basics right *cough* kaffeine *cough*15:08
jtechidnahmm, your opinion of kaffine is "special" right?15:08
apacheloggeryes, but that is unrelated to my opinion on how the codec installer problem was handled15:09
jtechidnaoh yeah, we did have a codec installer. I bet that doesn't work with install-package15:09
apacheloggerI fixed it15:09
apacheloggerjtechidna: didn't you know?15:09
apacheloggerthat thing was looping15:09
* jtechidna never really used kaffine15:10
apacheloggerfor every file it couldn't play with libxine1-ffmpeg15:10
apacheloggerfor > half a year15:10
jtechidnaoh, I always install that package right off the bat15:10
apacheloggerwell, the installer will still kick in15:10
* apachelogger notes that it should just have been more like the amarok implimentation15:11
apacheloggerjtechidna: I think you should raise the firefox dependency bug's importance to high15:11
jtechidnaapachelogger: you mean the bug I just set to medium?15:11
apacheloggerit installs duplications without the users agreement15:12
apacheloggerit pulls in software-props-gtk, we have -kde15:12
apacheloggerit installs gksu, we have kdesudo15:12
apacheloggerjtechidna: we could also just ship 2 kinds of software by default :P15:12
* apachelogger goes dinnering15:12
jtechidnahmm, about time to exercise the dog15:13
jtechidnawin: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+Reloaded?content=9003116:00
apacheloggermac: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Oxygen+System+Monitor?content=8666416:05
apacheloggeroh they haz made an own category for binary plasmoids16:06
apacheloggerhow very very sweet16:06
jtechidnathat doesn't stop people from posting .skz as scripted plasmoids, \o/16:06
Riddellsmarter: kepas FFe is fine with me, got the files to upload?16:06
* apachelogger logs in beats the uplaod and moves the file away16:07
jtechidnaoh hai16:07
apacheloggerjtechidna: meh, now it is empty16:09
* apachelogger moves one krama thingy back so that people can complain16:09
apacheloggervorian: 4.1.1 cd?16:09
vorianyeah yeah16:10
apacheloggervorian: is that still too big?16:11
vorianjust by a pinch16:11
apacheloggervorian: did you remove the oxygen svgs?16:11
voriani can remove wubi and get it smaller16:11
apacheloggerdoes amd64 use more space?16:11
voriani am actually working on it now16:11
vorianit shouldn't16:12
vorianthe original cd is only 686.9mb16:12
apacheloggervorian: drop some random kde4 package16:15
smarterRiddell: kepas is available on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kepas/ubuntu and I attached a debdiff to the bug report16:44
Riddellsmarter: but I still need the new .orig16:45
Riddellor an instruction on how to get it16:45
smarterRiddell: right, sorry, debian/rules get-orig-svn16:45
apacheloggersmarter: you need to post the tarball16:46
smarterheya apachelogger16:46
apacheloggerget-orig-svn would fetch today's svn, wouldn't it? ;-)16:46
smarterbut I modified the package today ;)16:46
apacheloggerthen it doesn't matter I guess16:47
apacheloggerjtechidna: go tell the motu council about your nice colleague!16:47
smarterRiddell: I attached everything to the bug report16:49
Riddellapachelogger: shouldn't powerdevil package be called plasmoid-powerdevil?16:52
apacheloggerRiddell: it doesn't have a plasmoid16:53
apacheloggerpowerdevil is a kded module16:53
apacheloggerwith kcm16:53
apacheloggerthe plasmoid is only available in trunk16:53
Riddellso what does it do currently?16:53
apacheloggerRiddell: power saving. the kded modules gets loaded and will act like guidance-power-manager just on a more advanced level, based on user-definable profiles, all configurable via the systemsettings16:57
Riddellsmarter: hmm, I just ran kepas, started a server and opened the monitor window, closing the monitor window killed plasma16:57
apacheloggerRiddell: I suggest installing it and taking a look at the kcm16:57
apacheloggerpretty self-explaining16:58
smarterRiddell: ouch, you're right, I only tested this feature using the tray icon17:00
smarterX Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 317:00
smarteryeah for X errors17:01
RiddellI don't think that's the error17:01
smarterthat's the only output I get which seems related17:01
smarterdo you have something better?17:01
RiddellI don't get an apport trace17:02
Riddelltry starting plasma in gdb maybe17:02
* smarter install -dbg things17:02
Riddellsmarter: hmm, "Program exited normally." so it's a crash that isn't a crash17:04
Riddellor something17:04
Riddellyou need to run  set args --nofork  in gdb incidently17:05
Nightroseapachelogger: do you have time to join #a.dev? eean commited the mysqle stuff and it looks like it will stay for beta 2 (tagging in two days)17:05
Nightroseand the default mysqle is not compiled with the right flag17:05
apacheloggerI am flattering smarter right now -.-17:06
* apachelogger saves as draft and joins the a channel17:06
vorianapachelogger: people are just going to have to live with a 704mb iso17:13
apacheloggervorian: can't you drop some package?17:13
voriannot really17:13
apacheloggervorian: kubuntu-docs is alredy removed?17:13
apacheloggerkhelpcenter should be removable as well17:14
voriani really messed it up this time17:14
vorian99.8 mb17:14
Riddellvorian: what are you doing?17:15
vorianRiddell: updating the 8.04.1 remix cd for amd6417:15
vorianthat's the iso, but it's 704mb17:17
yuriyapachelogger: sure, now that I can17:19
apacheloggeryuriy: normal users can't?17:19
yuriyapachelogger: nope. bugs.kde.org doesn't give you much privs by default17:22
* apachelogger wasn't a regular user for long, so he can't tell :P17:22
yuriybluezahl gave me privileges a couple weeks back after "you have an svn account but no bugzilla privs!?"17:23
* apachelogger thinks yuriy could also mail the motu council about smarter's astonishing qualification for motu...17:27
* smarter would like some b.k.o powa to add Kvkbd17:28
Riddellsmarter: is kvkbd in KDE's svn?17:29
smarterstill in playground/utils17:30
apacheloggershould go extragear IMHO17:30
apacheloggerthen again extragear might be obsolete with git anyway :P17:31
smarterapachelogger: it needs to go throught kdereview first, it would take some times17:32
smarterand I'm going to transform it into a plasmoid after 0.6 release17:32
apacheloggerah, cool17:33
apacheloggerplasmoids ftw17:33
* apachelogger proof reads17:33
Riddellsmarter: added17:33
smarterthanks ;)17:33
apacheloggersmarter: mail sent17:34
smarterthanks too :)17:35
voriansmarter: good luck :17:37
Riddell4.1.2 tagging tomorrow, who's up for some packaging?17:39
nixternalI just noticed the printer stuff in System Settings is missing (Hardy)...what is the trick?17:41
nixternalI haven't used a printer in so long I am lost :)17:42
Riddellprinter stuff?17:44
Riddellin KDE 3 it should be there17:44
Riddellin KDE 4 printer-applet should pop up when you add a printer17:44
nixternalit is a network printer17:44
Riddellsystem-config-printer-kde has some global cups settings, otherwise use gnome's system-config-printer17:44
bdgrauei use always localhost:63117:44
apacheloggerRiddell: tomorrow already17:46
apacheloggeroh my17:47
Riddellhmm, we seem to still have a Zoom In button in plasma, do we want that?17:48
Riddelldid we decide about changing KDE branding in kickoff top right to kubuntu?17:49
apacheloggerdidn't decide17:49
apacheloggerwe just need a graphic I guess17:50
apacheloggerand we should re-remove the zoom buttons17:50
jtechidnadidn't we just package 4.1.1?17:54
apacheloggerstupid monthly release cycle :P17:55
apacheloggerjtechidna: write something nice about smarter17:55
jtechidnaoh, ya, almost forgot17:55
jtechidnahmm, what list?17:56
* apachelogger needs to backport powerdevil to the kde4 ppa17:56
jtechidnahmm, what's the address?17:58
nixternalanyone here feel like writing some SNMP MIBs for me?17:58
smarteroops, connection problem17:59
Tm_Tthis translation issue is known? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2008-September/001676.html18:01
apacheloggerRiddell: ^18:01
smarteryep, and I hate that18:01
smarterhalf-translated apps are no fun18:01
* apachelogger hates rosetta18:02
apacheloggerpowerdevil on the way to the kde4 ppa18:16
rgreeningapachelogger: how does the Qt ver of Firefox look/behave?18:28
apacheloggerlike the broken stuff it is18:29
jussi01apachelogger: for hardy also?18:51
apacheloggerjussi01: what?18:51
jussi01(re. powerdevil)18:52
Arbycan anyone tell me if bug 194416 is actually a bug or if it's supposed to be like that?19:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 194416 in kdepim "[hardy] kmail shortcut for search bar is missing from Settings menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19441619:06
Arbysounds like a wishlist but not sure19:06
apacheloggerjussi01: only that19:25
apacheloggerjussi01: intrepid is already in official repos19:25
apacheloggerArby: I don't think it's much of our problem if users press random key combinations because they are bored ;-)19:26
apacheloggerArby: either close as won't fix and send the reporter to bugs.kde.org or wishlist and forward the report to bugs.kde.org19:26
apacheloggerif upstream won't fixes it, we have all the more reason to do the same ;-)19:27
ArbyI'll wishlist and send them to upstream then, I haven't got a won't fix option19:28
Arbyonly invalid19:28
apacheloggerjtechidna: bug 27366719:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 273667 in kubuntu-meta "KDE 4 doesn't have preinstalled screensavers" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27366719:28
* apachelogger doesn't like screensavers19:28
* apachelogger doesn't like the available screensavers19:28
* apachelogger doesn't like bad screensavers by default, which leads him to a won't fix attitude19:29
Arbybah, can somebody set wish list for me, I can't19:29
Arbyreally must get that fixed19:29
jtechidnalet's make a Klippy screensaver19:29
apacheloggerArby: done19:29
jtechidnapink neon lights19:29
apacheloggerjtechidna: I like the vista one19:30
* jtechidna hasn't seen it19:30
apacheloggerbasically like the xp one :P19:30
apacheloggerwhich is like the 2k one19:30
* jtechidna forgot what the default screensaver for those was too19:30
apacheloggerthe windows logo19:31
apacheloggerfloating aroudnt eh screen19:31
jtechidnawe should use a marble kpart19:31
apacheloggeronly that in vista it fades in and out and fades in at a differen location ....19:31
apacheloggerit provides good branding19:31
apacheloggerand the fading looks pretty decent19:31
Arbyapachelogger: is kdepim-dbg the right package for kpilot crash debugging symbols?19:40
Lex79apachelogger: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KDE+Partition+Manager?content=8959519:47
Lex79:) nice19:47
Riddellapachelogger: goodness.  do you know if there's a bug for that translation issue?19:57
apacheloggerRiddell: no.20:04
apacheloggerjtechidna: do you know of a bug about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2008-September/001676.html20:04
RiddellI don't know what it would be reported on anyway, I think a grump e-mail to the rosetta developers would be best20:05
jtechidnathere have been several reports about sparse translation20:05
jtechidnaI didn't know it was so serious a problem though...20:06
jtechidnabug 27184920:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 271849 in kde-l10n-cs "Broken Czech localisation of KDE4 in II" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27184920:06
* apachelogger is having a nervous breakdown soon20:07
jtechidnabug 26917920:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 269179 in kde-l10n-nl "[Kubuntu 8.10] Dutch language incomplete after setting as default in systemsettings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26917920:07
apacheloggerit's difficult enough to deploy a reasonable quality :/20:07
apacheloggerLex79: I like ... a lot20:08
apacheloggerArby: yes, kdepim-kde4-dbg in hardy I guess20:09
jtechidnaso what's the issue, don't the l10n files contain all the upstream translations?20:09
Lex79apachelogger: It would be nice in systemsettings.... as kgrubeditor20:10
apacheloggerLex79: you should get in touch with the developer and suggest a cooperation with us, ask him if he'd like to attend a meeting20:10
apacheloggerjtechidna: from what I understand: when the package gets built on the buildd it also creates a .pot file which gets imported into rosetta, then ubuntu pulls the actually language packs from rosetta20:12
jtechidnathat's stupid, Ubuntu should just coperate with upstream if it wants better translations20:13
Riddellit's not as simple as that, upstream is dozens or hundreds of projects including some with very poor transltion infrastructure and some with only very geeky translation infrastructure (like KDE using SVN)20:15
Riddellwe also change and add our own strings and applications20:16
Riddellas all distros do20:16
* jtechidna doesn't know much about translations...20:17
* Arby finishes reading the e-mail20:18
Arbythat's ... not good20:18
apacheloggerRiddell: I think KDE could be interested in rosetta, once it's FLOSS and got more reasonable QA20:21
Lex79bug 26917920:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 269179 in kde-l10n-nl "[Kubuntu 8.10] Dutch language incomplete after setting as default in systemsettings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26917920:44
Lex79same issue for italian language20:44
smartersame issue for *every* language20:45
smarterexcept english ;)20:45
Lex79:) LoL20:45
* Lex79 is away: Per ora assente20:46
apacheloggerLex79: turn off global away messages20:46
apacheloggerLex79: do you package partitionman?20:47
apacheloggerdpkg-deb: building package `partitionmanager' in `../partitionmanager_1.0.0~alpha1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb'.20:54
apacheloggertoo late I guess :P20:55
apacheloggerLex79: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members-kde4/partitionman/ubuntu21:11
apacheloggervorian: please poke once the new CD is up21:11
apacheloggersmarter: oh, that is indeed truely wrong :P21:12
* apachelogger had problems with reading today21:12
apacheloggerI probably need a break21:12
Arbywhat's the best course of action for bug 246244 ?21:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 246244 in kdepim "networkmanager kmail and online status" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/24624421:31
Arbybasically seems to be that kmail and knetwork manager don't play nice together21:32
apacheloggerArby: I think solid should take care of this really21:36
Arbyso the longer term solution is that knetworkmanager goes away and solid handles all the kmail --> network status interaction?21:37
Arbyso what do I do with that bug, close, ignore, reassign to a different package.21:38
Arby233910 is another good one21:40
Arbykind of hard to reproduce21:40
Arbykmail seems to be odd like that, some people have a nightmare with it, it's always been rock solid for me21:41
Arbywhile I'm at it, apachelogger, should bug 228214 just go straight upstream?21:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 228214 in kdepim "kde sieve ioslave incorrectly reports "protocol error" when given quoted strings during authentication" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22821421:43
apacheloggerArby: knetworkmanager can stick around21:44
apacheloggersolid is talking to networkmanager21:44
apacheloggerknetworkmanager as well21:44
apacheloggerkmail talks to solid21:44
apacheloggerso in a way kmail talks to networkmanager and knetworkmanager ;-)21:44
Arbyok, once I get below desktop level my knowledge is very weak21:45
* rgreening say "latest knetworkmanager needs too much work to be useful for Intrepid and wireless"21:45
Arbyframeworks and interprocess gubbins make my brain bleed21:45
* Lex79 is back.21:49
apacheloggerLex79: turn off global back messages as well21:49
Lex79ok :)21:50
apacheloggerLex79: https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive I guess we need to determine which external tools are required21:50
apachelogger...if you want to do that.... ;-)21:50
Lex79yes yes21:50
jtechidnaapachelogger: why are we wanting to remove the zoom out button again?21:50
apacheloggerjtechidna: definitely21:50
apacheloggerno real functionality21:51
apacheloggerno predefined other stuff21:51
apacheloggernot even wallpaper21:51
* jtechidna wants containment/virtual desktop affinity21:51
apacheloggercouple of issues (in some cases the containments are on top of each other)21:52
jtechidnain 4.1.1?21:52
apacheloggerthe cashew is still scaling with the containment21:52
apacheloggerupon crashes plasmas sometimes adds new containments which also are on top of each other21:53
jtechidnahmm, I'm not getting all of that21:53
apacheloggerone is already too much21:53
apacheloggerjtechidna: checkout the new batcave header21:53
apacheloggeruber sweet I say21:53
goatsocksdon't disable the feature outright... just relabel the "zoom out" button to "don't click this"21:53
jtechidnayeah, I saw it21:53
goatsocksthat way when people click it and file bugs you can automatically close them21:54
jtechidnawell, removing it would stop bug reports in the first place21:54
apacheloggerbig time saver21:54
apacheloggerthen again21:54
apacheloggerreporting a bug about it would require the possibility to zoom back in21:55
apacheloggerI imagine some people might have problems with that21:55
goatsocksis removing upstream features a nice thing to do though? i mean, how much "KDE" is a Kubuntu user getting when they decide they want KDE as a desktop? certainly removing features is not what upstream intended21:55
apacheloggergoatsocks: it's not a feature21:55
goatsocksupstream ships it21:55
apacheloggerit's a big annoyance aseigo just doesn't want to remove despite the fac that it is useless, confusing and dangerous21:56
goatsocksjust as they shipped 4.0 with a ton of half-finished features21:56
goatsocksi agree they made a bad decision21:56
Arbyapachelogger: did you move the batcave? my bookmarks seem to be broken21:56
jtechidnaIt'll be useful in 4.2 if containment -> virutal desktop mapping gets in21:56
goatsocksi'm just wondering about the purity of Kubuntu's KDE distribution... where do you draw the line with modifications?21:56
jtechidnaArby: yes, the location was revealed in an emergency upload session so we had to change it21:56
Arbyah I see21:57
apacheloggermaybe we should get a batlist?21:57
jtechidnayet another mailing list?21:57
goatsockssurely you'll reach a point where you've made so many modifications to the expected behavior of upstream that users will be filing bugs on that too21:57
apacheloggerjtechidna: well, it certainly improves in-between-release communication21:58
apacheloggergoatsocks: doubtable, still then we can close it as wont fix :P21:58
apacheloggerthat is basically what suse does21:58
goatsocksheh well suse is a known KDE-perverter21:59
jtechidnaheh, the power of wont fix21:59
apacheloggersuse is a patch perverter21:59
goatsockswhen you install suse, you know you're getting something upstream never intended ;)21:59
jtechidnathey killed their initial 4.1.1 packages with a feature backport from trunk21:59
jtechidnawell, they killed compositing21:59
apacheloggergoatsocks: same with kubuntu21:59
apacheloggerI doubt KDE ever intended the desktop to work :P22:00
jtechidnabut everybody knows compositing is next to clocks in importance22:00
apacheloggerclocks \o/22:00
Riddelljtechidna: killed compositing?22:00
goatsocksbut i'm wondering about this, because i have a bunch of patches here to remove CSS prioritizing of MS fonts from KDE packages, and i wonder if that goes too far in subverting upstream22:00
jtechidnaRiddell: with their first packages they backported the untested self-composite-check feature from trunk22:01
apacheloggergoatsocks: that goes too far in subverting the websites really22:01
jtechidnaRiddell: the test always failed, preventing compositing from working22:01
Riddelljtechidna: to be fair, suse also implemented compositing in KDE22:01
apacheloggerjtechidna: well, we uploaded a wrong kdelibs :P22:01
Riddellso it's theirs to break you could say :)22:01
goatsocksapachelogger: these stylesheets are for apps actually, some of them are served via web interfaces22:01
jtechidnaya, but we're talking about patch perversion22:02
apacheloggergoatsocks: oh well, they are patches :P22:02
jtechidnabtw, how did you get a 4.1.0 tarball with a 4.1.1 name anywayz? :P22:02
apacheloggergoatsocks: send them upstream22:02
goatsocksgoatsocks: not just CSS though, also for rc files22:02
goatsocksand why am i talking to myself22:02
* jtechidna does that from time to time^22:02
rgreeningIt's really4.1.1 not just 4.1.122:02
* rgreening lends goatsocks an ear22:03
apacheloggerjtechidna: kde got bz2 tarballs :P22:03
jtechidnaah, that'd do it22:03
jtechidnais there a batgz script yet?22:03
apacheloggerme@apoc { ~/src/bzr/batscripts }$ ls | grep orig22:04
* apachelogger should commit it before it gets lost22:04
jtechidnaooh, pizza22:05
Arbyapachelogger: we definitely need batlist, so I can ask questions about what all the batscripts actually do :)22:05
apacheloggerArby: feel free to find out and write a README :P22:06
* Arby plays the 'running random code' game22:07
jtechidnanixternal is the only non-european motu-council member22:23
rgreeningRiddell: kdelibs5 patch (launchpad integration) completed... will fwd the debdiff shortly22:48
rgreeningRiddell: debdiff sent for your build/upload pleasure22:57

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