[00:00] Warning: The partition table looks like it was made [00:00] for C/H/S=*/240/63 (instead of 3649/255/63). [00:00] wonder what that means ... [00:01] perhaps you dded the contents of this disk over from some other different disk? [00:02] I just got the box. no clue it's history other than it boots into XP [00:02] the above would be my guess [00:02] falls under "weird corner case" but I guess we have to deal with it :-/ [00:03] I was wondering if you cared :) [00:03] I was expecting "weird corner case" so get lost [00:04] I care about any case where we can't read the disk at all, but I can't promise dealing with it quickly - I suspect a real fix would have to involve teaching Linux to understand the broken partition table [00:14] what package is ot in? [00:14] box only has 128mb, so normal live cd probably wont work [00:15] whoops - od, not ot [00:16] http://dpaste.com/79884/ ~# od -tx1 -Ax -N512 /dev/sda [00:16] want that posted to lp? [00:17] the kernel? "linux" [00:18] root@dhcp243:~# uname -a [00:18] Linux dhcp243 2.6.27-3-generic #1 SMP Wed Sep 10 16:02:00 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux [00:18] i booted the beta clonezilla cd [00:18] yes please [00:18] (posted to lp) [00:19] what package? [00:19] 00:17 the kernel? "linux" [00:20] ah [00:20] * cjwatson tries to remember where partition table parsing lives in the kernel [00:21] ah, fs/partitions/ [00:21] hmm, actually, no, not linux [00:21] that message is just a warning from the kernel and shouldn't affect parted's ability to read it, I think [00:21] CarlFK: file it on parted instead, please [00:22] will do [00:26] in the alt-installer/BusyBox - what will tell me my IP? [00:26] ifconfig isn't there [00:27] ip addr show [00:27] neat. [01:06] cjwatson: #273379 - anything else you want me to add? [01:06] no, that should be fine, thanks [01:07] should be enough to reproduce ab nihilo [01:09] that box isn't going to be used anytime soon - want me to leave it to test a fix, or wipe the table and test normal conditions [01:09] up to you, I don't mind [01:10] wipe we go - see how things go with its older nvida card [01:26] hello? I'm trying to find a way to mount a CD-ROM drive on the Ubuntu Server installer. would anyone help? [01:27] hello? [01:28] can anyone help? please? [01:31] How do I mount a CD-ROM drive in Ubuntu Server? [01:52] cjwatson: i was wrong about "no way to create partitions" and "allows me to install to the raw sda" - if I select sda, it warns me that I am going to loose all data [01:52] which I will add to the lp report... duh. [02:32] hello. I need help [02:33] I'm trying to mount my CD-ROM drive for Ubuntu Server, but it won't. It says I may need a driver floppy. [02:33] how do I mount my CD-R drive for the installer? [02:36] stweston: How are you trying to install ubuntu-server, and what hardware are you using, and now is the CD drive connected? [02:36] the cd drive is connected, I'm using an old computer my dad put together. the CD drive is a CSA CDR-1300A, I believe. [02:37] there's only the alternate install option. [02:38] stweston: Yes, but how is the CD drive connected? [02:38] what do you mean? [02:39] stweston: Is the drive connected via IDE or SCSI? [02:39] IDE [02:39] sorry. didn't understand. [02:39] Ok. Can you boot from tehCD? [02:39] yes. [02:39] shall I? [02:39] Yes. [02:39] ok. I'll do that right away. [02:40] booting up [02:40] I'll get to the error page, if you'd like... or shall I explain along the way? [02:41] okay... I'll just select my keyboard layout, first. [02:41] Yep, just follow the install until you get to where it errors out. [02:42] I'm there, now. [02:42] (I know. it was fast) [02:42] first, it says "no common cd drive was detected"... [02:42] it continues to say that I may need to install the driver from a driver floppy [02:42] stweston: Oh what version of Ubuntu are you trying to install? [02:42] 8.04 [02:43] Ah ok. [02:43] the options are: "Load cd-rom drivers from a driver floppy?" Yes (or) No [02:44] stweston: Press ALT + F2 and enter to get to a prompt, and I'll get you to check for a couple of things. [02:44] all right. [02:44] alt-f2 pressed. [02:44] Then press enter and you should get something like "#" [02:44] it's there already [02:45] what should I enter in? [02:45] Ok. Go to the /dev directory: "cd /dev" [02:45] We are now going to see whether your CD drive is known. Type the following: "ls scd*" [02:45] all right. I'm there. [02:45] ok... [02:46] it was "ls scd*", right? [02:46] yes [02:47] okay... nothing found [02:47] ok try this one: "ls hd*" [02:47] it says: "no such file or directory" [02:47] same error [02:47] Ok so it really doesn't know about your drive. [02:48] really? [02:48] Or more importantly, the chipset that the IDe controller is on the moterhboard. Can you possibly tell me what motherboard it is? [02:48] I think it's an ASUS... [02:48] How old is it? [02:48] that's right. I updated the BIOS with ASUS and Award - 2000, after being updated. [02:49] it was originally '98 [02:49] is that a problem? [02:49] stweston: What do you mean exactly? The machine is from 1998? [02:49] no. my dad put together the machine, with parts probably dating back to 1998 or earlier. [02:50] Right, but the important bit is when the motherboard was made/bought. [02:50] oh. then that would probably be 1998 [02:50] Right. [02:50] hm... [02:51] so, what you're saying is that, since the motherboard is too old, Linux can't detect it? [02:51] the drive, I mean? [02:51] stweston: Generally older hardware for Linux is not a problem, but there is a chance that linux doesn't properly identify the IDE chip, or the installer doesn't have the correct IDE driver available. [02:51] stweston: How much ram, and what graphics card has the machine got? [02:52] oh... I have no clue what the graphics card is, but.... I believe I have around 256 meg, if not 450 [02:53] I don't really know for sure, because the BIOS flashes the number too fast. [02:53] in the RAM test. [02:54] right. [02:54] so, what does this mean? [02:54] stweston: If you are still at the prompt, you can type the command "free" which will give you an approximation on how much ram there is. [02:54] all right. [02:55] wow! it really IS 450 mb! [02:55] stweston: You can get the latest development release from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/current/ [02:55] this is Intrepid... I'm using Hardy [02:56] yes, I know. At least if you try the intrepid development release and it works, then that narrows down the problem somewhat. [02:56] oh. [02:56] well, the thing is, I'm not sure if I would want to use another CD. I already used two for this 8.04 download, and my dad said I couldn't use any more for a while. [02:57] I know... it stinks. [02:58] Well, when you can, give it a try. When cjwatson is around, he may some other ideas as to what you can try, but thats all I can think of atht emoment./ [02:58] oh... [02:59] well, how long until he's usually around? [03:00] stweston: Probably 5-6 hours. [03:00] oh... [03:00] that stinks. [03:00] I have school tomorrow, too. [03:01] stweston: Well I'm sorry I can't be any more help. [03:02] oh, well. thanks, anyway! [03:02] no problem. [03:02] what time does he usually leave, by the way? [03:02] I may be able to catch the end of when he's here. [03:03] Well our probably most likely to catch him 5 hours prior to the time it is for you now. [03:03] oh. all right. [03:03] that works for me! [03:04] I'll try getting that Intrepid install going. [03:04] oh... but I have one final question: [03:04] I'm ultimately going to make this server have the Xubuntu gui. does that matter what version I use? [03:05] stweston: No. [03:05] oh, good... what would happen? [03:05] However using the xubuntu disk might be the easiest way to go. [03:05] if I use intrepid, I mean... all right... [03:06] what I mean to say is, if I use the Intrepid server version, and the Hardy GUI, will that cause a problem with the OS? [03:07] stweston: Its not possible to use the intrepid server version with the hardy gui. [03:07] on the one install. [03:07] ok... I don't understand by "on the one install". [03:07] Well if you install the intrepid ubuntu server, then want to use xubuntu, you can only use the gui for intrepid, and not hardy. [03:07] oh... [03:08] I see. [03:08] well, then I probably shouldn't try installing Intrepid on this server until it actually comes out, if need be. [03:10] are there any other ideas you might have? [03:10] stweston: The only other idea I have is that you try the xubuntu hardy live CD. [03:10] all right. [03:11] and then, if the live cd doesn't work, then the alternate? or what? [03:11] Then I would try intrepid. The live CD is more likely to have the drive needed for your motherboard. If the live CD boots to the Xubuntu desktop, you can install it from there. [03:11] I see. thanks! [03:12] It's going to take about 3 hours... and growing! This is gonna be a long night... [03:12] well, I have to go. thanks a bunch, TheMuso! [03:42] hello. [03:42] I need help on installing Ubuntu Server (and later Xubuntu, but that can wait) [03:43] can/would anyone help? [03:45] I'm having trouble mounting the CD-ROM drive onto Ubuntu Server. [03:46] it says "you may need a driver floppy". does anyone know what that means [03:48] hello? [03:49] cjwatson: are you around? [03:49] or is anyone? [03:51] hello. can anyone help me with this problem I'm having with installing Ubuntu Server? [03:53] anyone? [03:55] I need help on installing Ubuntu Server. C/would anyone help? === superm1|away is now known as superm1 === persia_ is now known as persia [06:14] hello [06:15] I'm trying to install a xubuntu system, but I keep getting an "intramfs" prompt. anyone know what's wrong? [07:08] cjwatson: The problem with the SDL frontend is that it doesn't have enough information available to choose between the good old keymap and the evdev keymap, and the sdl frontend is meant to work on Windows as well, so upstream is reluctant to add Gdk or X calls in it. [07:08] cjwatson: Besides, I actually thought people used the VNC based frontends. Those work fine. [07:12] Isn't the SDL front-end the default? [07:12] If you from a commandline just type "kvm", yes. [07:12] If you use kvm in any of the ways we're recommending, no. [07:14] Ah. I don't suppose those could be aligned? [07:14] I don't really see how. [07:15] Or why :) [07:16] No idea on how. Why would be for those folk who don't read instructions, and want to use KVM. [07:16] Using the SDL frontend is a perfectly valid use case, though. [07:17] * persia heads off to a more appropriate forum [07:41] usb-creator: evand * r20 usb-creator/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [07:41] usb-creator: * Create a partition table before attempting to create new partitions. [07:41] usb-creator: * Require the device be formatted if a vfat partition is not present. [07:41] usb-creator: * Show a message dialog with warnings from the backend. === superm1 is now known as superm1|away [08:25] usb-creator: evand * r21 usb-creator/ (debian/changelog usbcreator/backend.py): Set the boot flag when installing the bootloader (LP: #272775). [08:50] usb-creator: evand * r22 usb-creator/debian/changelog: releasing version 0.1.4 [09:37] ubiquity: cjwatson * r2844 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py): [09:37] ubiquity: * KDE frontend: [09:37] ubiquity: - Set layout direction when changing language (LP: #272376). [09:38] ubiquity is throwing error when i go for password section [09:39] before giving password itself , it is starting to compare [09:44] i am thinking it may be a problem of locales [10:41] cjwatson, can you help me what is the problem that i am getting when i run ubiquity [10:45] Is it known that the newish timezone selector is almost impossible to work with? [11:26] gane: I'm not sure I even understand your problem. "It is starting to compare"? [11:28] cjwatson, before getting the password itself from .. the ubiquity is comparing the password [11:28] gane: I need to know *precisely* what the error message is. Copy and paste if you can [11:28] or a screenshot, or anything like that [11:29] cjwatson just a min [14:32] cjwatson, i hve screen shot how to send you [14:44] cjwatson, Hello, caught a tiny bug in debian-cd/Makefile (in ~ubuntu-cdimage/debian-cd/ubuntu since revision 1269). Double "$$" needed in Makefile. Patch here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/49683/ Thanks! :-) [14:51] cjwatson, after partitioning it is going on .. there is no output [15:10] foka: oh yes, good call, thanks [15:22] cjwatson, You're welcome. :-) [15:27] foka: (committed) === nasrat_ is now known as nasrat === superm1|away is now known as superm1 [17:12] Anyone know how I install ethernet ports on Win98? [17:15] no clue [17:15] stweston: I read the backlog of your discussion with TheMuso [17:15] ok... [17:15] and? [17:16] stweston: TheMuso suggested what I would have suggested, which was to compare with a desktop CD to rule out issues with d-i's construction [17:16] ok... [17:16] stweston: the fact that the desktop CD doesn't boot either makes it practically certain that it's a kernel bug, so I'll have to direct you to #ubuntu-kernel [17:16] I've tried last night, but I get a different problem. [17:17] I got initramfs. I also checked the RAM, but nothing came up [17:17] stweston: sometimes this type of problem can be cured fairly easily by just switching the relevant PCI ID over to a different driver or something, but I don't have the expertise to help with that kind of thing [17:17] ok [17:17] no, it wouldn't be a RAM problem [17:17] ok [17:17] those tend to be a lot more random [17:17] well, the "ram" in initramfs was the guess of someone else. [17:17] somebody confused :) [17:18] oh. ok [17:18] "you may need a driver floppy", BTW, means "help! the driver didn't work! please give me another one" (except you can't) [17:18] aah [17:18] wait - the drive or the driver? [17:19] driver [17:19] the drive is likely fine [17:19] ok [17:19] aah. I see. [17:19] well, can't rule it out of course, but from the evidence it's a driver bug [17:19] ok. [17:19] well, I'm trying unetbootin. [17:19] via ethernet. [17:19] and a wi-fi access on my mac. [17:20] do you know how to install ethernet on a Win98PC? [17:20] 17:12 Anyone know how I install ethernet ports on Win98? [17:20] 17:15 no clue [17:20] ok [17:20] I purged all that from my brain a *long* time ago :) [17:21] LOL [17:21] good [17:22] all right... I'm at #windows, anyway. [17:24] well, I'd better get back to school work... thanks, anyway! [17:33] I've pulled down the netboot/ubuntu-installer/$arch/{linux,initrd.gz} but when I PXE I get kernel panic, unable to mount VFS.. any ideas? [17:33] this is for 8.04.1 [17:34] "kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(104,1)" [17:35] that's cciss ... [17:35] (/dev/cciss/c0d0p1) [17:36] old syslinux being served from the PXE server perhaps? [17:37] the pxe server is a rhel5.2 machine.. ? [17:37] at any rate it shouldn't be trying to get the root filesystem from the disk [17:38] I don't think that's relevant; the binary actually served to the client should be in your tftp tree [17:38] pxelinux.0 [17:39] ..which is there. anything I should do to check/verify/update it? [17:40] sorry, I'm not sure. The place I would start debugging this is to check that the initrd is actually being fetched from the tftp server (logs or strace), then check the command-line arguments that are being used, then compare each file to that in the netboot.tar.gz [17:41] hmm.. the centos and rhel images that I have on PXE are working fine. [17:41] oh, also check that the files work when you boot them directly in qemu or similar [17:41] other than that this tends to be an utter pig to debug remotely and it'll be lots easier for you than for me; I can just provide general hints [17:46] erg. I got it. my pxelinux.cfg/default had ommitted the initrd=. It just had 'append initrd.gz'. [17:46] my bad. why is it always the obvious, simple stuff? ;) [17:46] that'd do it! [17:53] cjwatson: what's your plan (if any) for adding the Encrypted Private checkbox to the graphical installer? [17:54] i'm not pushing either way, but i've been getting that question a lot from users [17:54] the problem I ran into last time I looked at it was how to fit all the stuff into the UI [17:54] another page is a lot of work, so I'd prefer to have it on the user-setup page [17:54] cjwatson: you want more than a one liner and a checkbox, i suppose? [17:54] but that makes it hard to fit in the advice [17:54] need password as well ... [17:56] cjwatson: what about a simple one liner "[ ] Do you want to setup an encrypted private directory?", and if only if checked, throw up the blob about selecting a passphrase, recording it etc. on the next screen? [17:56] => another page => lot of work [17:56] cjwatson: the simple one-liner on the same screen as the user's full name, password, etc. [17:56] * evand suspects we're approaching an advanced button on the user setup page. [17:56] gotcha [17:56] MUCH easier to put it all on the one page [17:57] I mean, we could avoid the advice (maybe a help button, dunno) and reduce the UI that way [17:57] I'm just worried about causing problems for the small-screen types [17:57] right [18:06] Evand: that's on the last page that would make this a "Really Advanced Button" [18:07] I think that's too disconnected from user creation [18:07] I'd prefer to have it on the user page if at all possible [18:11] indeed, though fitting it will as you say be quite tricky. [18:13] cjwatson: a lot of the text could be eliminated if we only supported generated passphrases in the installer [18:13] that is true [18:13] cjwatson: we would just need to impress upon the user the importance of WRITING THIS PASSPHRASE DOWN [18:14] cjwatson: that's 128 bits of random data, guaranteed to be better than anything the user chooses [18:14] cjwatson: though completely un-rememberable [18:17] anyone know what "initramfs" means? [18:17] I'm trying to install xubuntu, but it's not working. any option continues on to load the linux kernel and gets to a command prompt starting w/ "initramfs" [18:18] I think it might mean "initial RAM file system", but I'm not sure. [18:18] and if it does, what does that mean? [18:20] cjwatson, i see that you added a branch to bug 195608. is this going to be making it into intrepid then? [18:20] stweston: it means that. However this is of no value to you in debugging your problem. The problem there is the same root cause as the one you have with the alternate CD [18:20] superm1: I'm not sure yet; I'm still having problems with it [18:21] hm... [18:21] cjwatson, ah okay [18:21] cjwatson: what is that supposed to mean? [18:22] stweston: so you know when I said that you'd need to ask #ubuntu-kernel because it was a problem with the kernel's driver for your CD drive? :-) [18:22] does this mean my CD drive is wrong? oh, yeah... [18:22] stweston: assuming that this is the same machine on which you had the other problem [18:22] oh. ys [18:22] yes* [18:22] hm... [18:22] ok. I'll go there, then.. [18:24] superm1: specifically it gets hard to figure out what to do with LVM and my brain exploded a little bit [18:26] cjwatson, perhaps add LVM as a case to exclude for now? [18:26] give me a chance to figure it out :) [19:07] evand I was wondering why usb-creator is not affected by 243105 [19:10] haven't gone through the code yet, but doesn't the usb-creator copy the files from the ISO to a directory on the USB? and isn't that directory bindmounted (230716)? [19:11] because it's not bindmounted [19:12] it writes the contents of the ISO or image to the device [19:12] err poor wording on my part [19:13] could we use the same boot mechanism in casper to address 207137? [19:14] would be extremely slow and take lots of memory. [19:14] also [19:15] (think about it, you'd have to copy a live CD equivalent into memory) [19:16] cjwatson I do not understand why loading the files from a USB (fat32 formatted) is any different then loading them from a fat32/ntfs partition on hard disk [19:18] the USB stick is mounted directly on /cdrom; no bind mount is involved [19:19] I see so if usb-creator had to extract the files inside of a directory, then we would be in the same situation [19:19] correct? [19:19] I expect so [19:20] although that would have the advantage of not requiring formatting the usb... [19:20] given a supported fs to begin with [19:21] I don't believe you have to format the device right now [19:21] it'll accept one that's already formatted [19:21] anyway, got to go [19:21] thanks for the clarification [19:46] my Xubuntu CD won't install [19:46] won't even start. [19:48] I think it's the drive, but I need confirmation. [19:48] yeah. Ubuntu Server does the same. [21:02] any suggestions on how to install xubuntu by using alternate boot options commands? [21:03] I keep getting initramfs+busybox prompts [21:08] anyone? [21:24] Any suggestions on how to install xubuntu by using alternate boot options commands? I keep getting initramfs+busybox prompts no matter what [22:42] help! I need to get xubuntu installed, but I keep getting initramfs prompts! === cr3_ is now known as cr3 === superm1 is now known as superm1|away === cr3__ is now known as cr3