=== ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 24 Sep 17:00: QA Team | 24 Sep 22:00: Platform Team | 25 Sep 12:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 25 Sep 13:00: Desktop Team | 25 Sep 14:00: Ubuntu Java | 26 Sep 15:00: Ubuntu Release === Rafik__ is now known as Rafik === persia_ is now known as persia === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [09:58] !sched syd [09:58] Sorry, I don't know anything about sched syd [09:58] !schedule [09:58] Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases [10:00] @schedule sydney [10:00] Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 25 Sep 03:00: QA Team | 25 Sep 08:00: Platform Team | 25 Sep 22:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 25 Sep 23:00: Desktop Team | 26 Sep 00:00: Ubuntu Java | 27 Sep 01:00: Ubuntu Release [10:03] dholbach: thanks:P [10:03] :) [10:03] why does software suck so much [10:03] also, why isn't the asia community membership panel in the schedule [10:04] lifeless: my thoughts exactly... how can we be part of a revolution if we have to resort to hammers and screwdrivers every time [10:05] ubottu: this is a meeting channel, folk asking about schedule don't want the definition. And don't talk back to me now?! [10:05] 19:04 Your edit request has been forwarded to #ubuntu-ops. Thank you for your attention to detail [10:05] ok, that made me laugh [10:10] and apparently flannel wants to tell me 'about love' :P === nizarus_ is now known as nizarus [11:54] elky: persia: lifeless: Hi [11:54] TheM [11:54] TheMuso: Hi [11:55] zakame, belutz? [11:55] Ampelbein: Hi. [11:55] aamachu: hi [11:55] hi [11:57] so are you there elky? [11:57] persia might join us later [11:58] nizarus: didrocks: ara: Hi [11:58] i am here, yes [11:58] so we are four :-) [11:58] aamachu: hellow! [11:58] hi aamachu [11:59] * heno waves [11:59] and three participants appear to be here already [11:59] Lets start.. elky, TheMuso, lifeless [12:00] aamachu, the three we are from the EMEA region [12:00] Welcome every one for today's meet. [12:00] nizarus: noticed that from wiki [12:00] aamachu: hi [12:00] \o/ [12:00] Amir Eldor: there? [12:00] Vid_A ? [12:01] Reference: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania [12:01] aamachu, i cant raise vid anywhere [12:02] elky: ok. [12:02] nizarus: Please go ahead, sharing with us your contributions for Ubuntu [12:02] thx aamachu [12:02] I'm Nizar from Tunisia [12:02] Linux user since 2000, and ubuntu user since edgy eft (June 2006) [12:02] My main activities are in the Tunisian Loco Team [12:03] I was one of first members of the non approved ubuntu-tn team (team created on February 2007 I joined it on June 2007) [12:03] and I actively participated to mount the ubuntu Tunisian local community by organising irc meetings and with the participation to the Tunisia Software Freedom Day 2007. [12:03] I was one of the most active members in the preparation of the approval process of our Tunisian Team and we got the approval in July 22 (we are the first approved arabic loco team and second in Africa) [12:03] Actually I'm the Loco Team Contact and owner of ubuntu-tn and ubuntu-tn-users teams in LP [12:03] In the Ubuntu-tn Management Committee i'm the coordinator of the International Relationships Group (as i'm the loco team contact). I'm also the assistant in the Secretary Group and Redaction Group. [12:04] I try to be present as more as possible in ubuntu-tn irc channel, to assist or help Tunisian users [12:04] I'm also a member of the official Ubuntu Arabic Translators team with a mission to translate main ubuntu package into Arabic language [12:04] I also have activities in LP especially on translations (Arabic and French), answers and some times reporting bugs. [12:04] :) [12:04] (today i have some internet connection trubls hope that it dont disconnect during this meeting : )) [12:05] and Excuse my English level as it's my third language after Arabic (mother tongue) and French :) [12:05] nizarus: International Relatioship Team? [12:05] I can see the link, but unable to get its objectives :-) [12:06] aamachu, we divided our activites in the u-tn team [12:06] in many groups [12:06] the International Relatioship Team is to keep contact [12:06] nizarus: I would like to know about the role of Internatiol relationships team [12:07] with other locos and the CCuncil [12:07] the mission is to keep contact with loco cuncil and other loco teams [12:08] ok [12:08] nizarus: how close are you and Rafik in Tunisia? ;-) [12:08] for example we are in contact to get material ressources given by canonical (loco pack and event packs...) [12:08] we study in the same town [12:09] thats coool :-) [12:09] Rafik he's one of the most active in our team :) [12:10] and he was recently approved as u-member [12:10] elky: TheMuso: lifeless: questions for nizarus? [12:10] oO [12:11] elky: there? [12:12] TheMuso: there? [12:13] lifeless: asking you too.. [12:13] aamachu: Yes I am here, just having another quick read trying to think of a question, and not having much luck. :) [12:13] looks good to me too [12:13] :) [12:13] TheMuso: ;-) Hmm... so what are you concluding? [12:14] aamachu: I think I'm satisfied. [12:14] +1 [12:14] nizarus: +1 from me. You are doing some wonderful work, keep it up. [12:14] +1 [12:14] :-) [12:14] thanks all [12:14] nizarus: great job! I need one feedback from you on Arabic translation [12:15] we are working on aamachu [12:15] how do you differentiate Arabic in Tunisia and Middle East [12:15] are translators from Tunisia mingling with translators from Middle East? [12:15] we just need an action plan to be approved by all intervenant [12:16] hey, just to know how you people manage.. for an information.. [12:16] aamachu, there is a great project for arabic translation [12:16] arabeyes [12:16] ther are working to unify arabic transaltion [12:17] other than that, you are doing great job.. Keep it up :-) [12:17] +1 from me too... [12:17] can you guys take this bit offline perhaps ? [12:17] and it's our reference in arbic countris in africa and middle east [12:17] thx aamachu [12:17] nizarus: Welcome! [12:18] lifeless: :-) its done [12:18] didrocks: its your time now. Please go ahead.. [12:18] \o/ victory :D [12:18] hi :) [12:18] I am Didier Roche from France. [12:18] I started using Linux with Red Hat 6 in 1999 and ubuntu since the warty release ( [12:18] 4.10) [12:18] # [12:18] I am involved in french ubuntu-fr loco team as a member of the administration team and part of the chair (as the secretary) of ubuntu-fr french association. [12:19] (oupsss, sorry for the paste and copy) [12:19] I am also the author of Simple Comme Ubuntu, free book (under CC:By-Sa licence) [12:19] This book is always updated with the last version of Ubuntu. A version to be integrated with Dell PC is in preparation. [12:19] contribute to french documentation and wrote some wiki pages [12:20] I also went in Africa for 1 month with a non-governemental organisation, Africedu : (project 2006: Lome, capital city of Togo), shipping in a school 60 computers set up with Ubuntu 5.10 (and upgraded there to 6.06 from on old hard drive!). We made some training there. [12:20] My main goal now is to promote Ubuntu in France, and particularly in Paris with Ubuntu Party. This is why I am one of the main organizers of Ubuntu events in Paris (like "Ubuntu Gutsy" and recently "Ubuntu Hardy"). In November 2007, 3rd & 4th: Gutsy Party was and amazed party with more than 3 000 visitors in two days. [12:21] Finally, I try to represent the French community at big events (like RMLL, Linux Solution, FĂȘte de l'humanitĂ©, http://paris-libre.org/) or smaller one (http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braderie_de_Lille and LibreAcces, festival of free music in Paris where people can download the music from Ubuntu workstation) [12:21] I am also a mentee in the MOTU mentorship process and begin to package in Ubuntu (see DidierRoche/MOTU/bugsaction) [12:21] Gave with huats also a talk in the last UbuntuDeveloperWeek#The%20Timetable about patching packages. [12:21] do you know ddaa? [12:21] I think that's it :) [12:21] lifeless: hum, no, sorry, who is he? [12:21] David Allouche, he was canonicals first french employee :P [12:22] hum, ok, by name (Nicolas Barcet spoke about him) === Nafallo_ is now known as Nafallo [12:22] but not personnaly [12:23] cool [12:23] just asking :) [12:23] lifeless: np ;) [12:24] didrocks: rocks really :-) [12:24] anyhow, questions for didrocks ? [12:24] aamachu: hehe, thanks (the rocks is only a derived of "Roche", not for "rocking" :)) [12:25] ;-) [12:25] yes, didrocks is a really cool contributor, whom rocks has his last name suggests! [12:25] elky: TheMuso: questions? [12:25] thx nijaba :) [12:25] aamachu: Not from me./ [12:26] elky: there? [12:26] yep. +1 [12:27] didrocks: +1 from me too.. [12:27] +1 from me also. [12:27] +1 [12:27] thanks to all \o/ [12:27] congratulations didrocks [12:27] nizarus: as for you nizarus :) [12:27] didrocks: all the best and keep rocking :-) [12:27] aamachu: for sure, will try ^^ [12:28] * nijaba applauses [12:28] didrocks, ;) [12:28] congrats didrocks! [12:28] * didrocks hugs everyone (yes, now that I am in the hugging word) :) [12:28] s/word/world [12:29] didrocks: The wiki portrays you work clean :-) [12:29] fine... [12:29] ara: its your time now [12:29] ok, thanks aamachu [12:29] I am Ara, from Spain. [12:29] I have been using Linux since 1998, Ubuntu since Feisty. [12:30] I am part of the Canonical QA Team, focused on the Desktop tests automation (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/Desktop) [12:30] I have started the Ubuntu Desktop Testing project, http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-desktop-testing, which aims to create a nice framework to run & write desktop tests for Ubuntu [12:30] based in LDTP, an automation framework based on the AT-SPI layer. For that reason, I keep an active communication with the upstream team of LDTP [12:30] Also, as part of this effort, I participated in the Ubuntu Developer Week with a testing automation session: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek [12:30] I maintaing a blog about Ubuntu testing: http://ubuntutesting.wordpress.com/, that is on planet LDTP and planet.ubuntu-women.org [12:31] One of my main goals is to get new people to the testing community [12:31] For that, I try to keep the documentation in the wiki up to date to help people getting involved in Ubuntu testing automation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/Desktop/HowToUseTestingLibrary [12:31] Also, we are starting to organize ubuntu testing days [12:31] Yesterday we organize our first Testing day, but we are planning to organize one for every development release [12:31] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/UbuntuTestingDay/20080922 [12:32] also, i am daily in #ubuntu-qa and #ubuntu-testing, for support and coordinating testing efforts [12:32] s/#ubuntu-qa/#ubuntu-quality [12:33] I think that's it for me :-) [12:33] ara: How frequent are you planning to have the UbuntuTestingDay? [12:33] every Deelopment Release? [12:34] aamachu: we want to have it for every development release, yes [12:34] aamachu: first was for alpha6, next one will be for beta release [12:34] (so every milestone in fact) [12:34] heno: yep [12:35] is this an extention of the isotesting stuff? [12:35] ara: ok [12:35] elky: what exactly? [12:36] it is like hugdays for the bugsquad activity. this would be "our" hugday in the iso testing world :-) [12:37] ara, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO [12:37] yes, see above [12:37] ara: did I meet you in prague perhaps ? [12:37] lifeless: I was there :-) so yes, maybe :-) [12:38] I met ara at the London office in July. [12:38] TheMuso: yes, in the kitchen in fact :-) [12:38] lol [12:38] :-) [12:38] anyhow, +1 [12:39] ara: Yes. [12:39] +1 also. [12:39] though its kindof on the should-be-motu line for me, its a clear contribution [12:39] ara: awaiting for info on next session at #ubuntu-classroom [12:39] agreed, +1 [12:39] +1 from me too [12:39] Welcome ara! [12:39] thanks all :-) [12:40] congrats ara :-) [12:41] so let me call other two, svaksha & amireldor? [12:41] and appears Asia Oceania Board meeting facilitates EMEA more ;-) [12:41] thx aamachu for your wonderful job [12:41] elky: TheMuso: lifeless: anything else to share? [12:42] Not from me. [12:42] nope [12:42] nizarus: Welcome :-) [12:42] all good [12:43] ok fine then.. [12:43] thanks to all for having facilitated the EMEA board :) [12:43] yes, thank you! [12:43] thank you every one participating... [12:43] ara: didrocks: nizarus: Welcoming all of you yet again! [12:44] Lets keep rocking.. [12:44] don't worry aamachu :) [12:44] aamachu: :) [12:44] Our next meeting on 01 Oct 2008, 11.00 AM UTC === nizarus_ is now known as nizarus [12:44] elky: lifeless: TheMuso: Bye [12:47] ciao [12:48] bye, bye === nizarus is now known as nizarus_ === nizarus_ is now known as nizarus === luisbg_ is now known as luisbg [15:01] mdz: ? [15:08] no TB today, mdz cannot make it [15:19] * ogra wonders why TB still doesnt show up on the fridge cal ... [15:19] i mailed them weeks ago and they agreed to put it up [15:57] hello [15:57] yo [15:58] o/ [15:59] howdy ya'll [15:59] jambo bwana [16:00] o/ [16:00] all right folks [16:01] thanks for being around a see yall next week, same time, same place [16:01] adios [16:01] o/ [16:01] heeh [16:01] kwahari bwana [16:02] #startmeeting [16:02] Meeting started at 10:02. The chair is mathiaz. [16:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:02] * nealmcb cheers for mootbot [16:02] Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [16:02] Last week minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080916 [16:03] [TOPIC] Ubuntu vm builder [16:03] New Topic: Ubuntu vm builder [16:03] soren: how is it going ? [16:03] Good, thank you. [16:03] :) [16:03] soren: awesome - ready for the next phase ? [16:03] Err... I honestly don't remember what changed since last week. [16:03] soren: have you written a blog post ? [16:04] Yeah. I've finally posted the blog thing, so with a bit of luck, the bug reports should start trickling in now. [16:05] nijaba: what about the tutorial ? [16:05] sommer: have you looked at the virtualization section update ? [16:05] mathiaz: should be pretty much good to go [16:06] mathiaz: after soren's blog, it needs something about xen though [16:06] at least a wink and a nod :) [16:06] sommer: excellent. [16:06] mathiaz: I have not have time to move a lot on it while at VMworld, but I have worked a bit on VMbuilder so that missing functions that I need are now there [16:07] nijaba: great - so you consider it feature equivalent to ubuntu-vm-builder ? [16:07] soren: ^^ ? [16:07] mathiaz: I need to do a final check, but yes, I beleive it will be [16:08] [ACTION] sommer to update the virtulization section with a reference to xen in vm-builder [16:08] ACTION received: sommer to update the virtulization section with a reference to xen in vm-builder [16:09] mathiaz: It still neeeds a few things, but it will be really soon. [16:09] mathiaz: Soren was also talking about providing a wrapper to uvb to call the new one seemlessly [16:09] Right. [16:10] ok - anything else to add on vm-builder ? [16:11] nope - let's move on [16:11] [TOPIC] Review ServerGuide for Intrepid [16:11] New Topic: Review ServerGuide for Intrepid [16:11] kirkland: reviewed the RAID section ? [16:11] yeppers [16:11] mathiaz: return true; [16:11] Koon: what about tomcat ? [16:11] sommer: and I still haven't looked at the ldap section [16:12] section drafted, reviewed and uploaded by sommer [16:12] [ACTION] mathiaz to review the ldap section of the server guide [16:12] ACTION received: mathiaz to review the ldap section of the server guide [16:12] * soren apologises for keeping people waiting. I had a knock on the door :( [16:12] sommer: anything else on the documentation front ? [16:12] I think things are pretty much good to go [16:12] had a question about the automatic security updates? [16:13] does that use cron, unattended-upgrades? [16:13] sommer: I think it installs unattended-upgrade [16:14] mathiaz: I didn't see it during my testing [16:14] sommer: not sure though. [16:14] sommer: yes it does [16:14] sommer: you could ask the installer team about it [16:14] sommer: or look at the code [16:15] mathiaz: where is the code? [16:15] kirkland: do you remember the name of the component in d-i ? [16:15] sommer: all of it is in the cron it install, IIRC [16:15] cause I'm pretty sure I selected automatic security updates, and didn't see unattended-upgrades installed [16:15] kirkland: it's the same one that deals with landscape-client [16:16] nijaba: ah, I might be looking in the wrong place then [16:16] sommer: then that sounds like a non working feature [16:16] because I believe u-a should be installed as a result [16:17] nijaba: that's cool, I'll update the installation section to that affect [16:17] sommer: I can't find it anymore [16:17] mathiaz: no problem I can do some digging later [16:17] sommer: I'd go to #ubuntu-installer and ask about it there [16:18] mathiaz: pkgsel [16:18] mathiaz: will do [16:19] sommer: ^^ pkgsel [16:19] kirkland: do you have branch url somewhere ? [16:19] mathiaz: ??? apt-get source pkgsel [16:19] mathiaz: bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/pkgsel/ubuntu [16:20] kirkland: ah right - I'm always looking at the bzr branch :D [16:20] sommer: anyway - there is good chance you'll find the code above ^^ [16:20] sommer: anything else for the documentation ? [16:21] mathiaz: I think that's it [16:21] sommer: if you do find a bug, file it against pkgsel and subscribe me [16:21] kirkland: okay [16:22] [ACTION] sommer to look into the security updates part of the installer to figure out what it does exactly and document it [16:22] ACTION received: sommer to look into the security updates part of the installer to figure out what it does exactly and document it [16:22] let's move on [16:22] [TOPIC] nagios3 in main [16:22] New Topic: nagios3 in main [16:22] Koon: ^ ? [16:23] mathiaz: no good so far, had trouble getting a hold on archive admins. nijaba resent a mail recently [16:23] MIR/archive-fixing work is less priority than Ffe processing at that point [16:24] if nobody moves on the email, i'll ping them tomorrow [16:24] Koon: have you checked if nagios3 was seeded somewhere ? [16:24] mathiaz: it's not. nagios2 is still in server-ship [16:24] Koon: right - so we need to fix that. [16:25] mathiaz: in which order ? [16:25] Koon: IIRC we came to the conclusion that we wouldn't need a MIR for nagios3. [16:25] so we can just fix the seed ? [16:25] Koon: well - that step 5 according to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess [16:26] Koon: step 6 is when the archive admin actually does the move from universe to main [16:26] mathiaz: ok, so someone with powerz[tm] needs to fix the seed to do s/nagios2/nagios3 [16:27] Koon: ok - I can do that [16:27] (there still is the problem with hardy but that's outside the scope of this agenda item) [16:27] Koon: I think we should still file a bug explaining why nagios3 doesn't need a MIR [16:27] * mathiaz nods [16:27] mathiaz: i can do that [16:27] Koon: and point to the MIR for nagios2 [16:28] (tomorrow) [16:28] Koon: great - once done ping pitti or doko so that can approve the bug [16:28] Koon: so that the archive admin can process the bug quickly [16:29] Koon: once you've filed the bug I'll update the seed. [16:29] [ACTION] Koon to file a bug explaining the state of nagios3, subscribe ubuntu-mir to it and get approved [16:29] ACTION received: Koon to file a bug explaining the state of nagios3, subscribe ubuntu-mir to it and get approved [16:29] [ACTION] mathiaz to update the server-ship to use nagios3 instead of nagios2 [16:29] ACTION received: mathiaz to update the server-ship to use nagios3 instead of nagios2 [16:30] Anything else from last week meeting ? [16:32] [TOPIC] Beta Freeze [16:32] New Topic: Beta Freeze [16:32] As you may know we're preparing for the Beta release of intrepid [16:32] that is schedule for Thursday next week [16:32] so we'll enter Beta Freeze this thursday [16:33] That means iso testing will be more than welcomed [16:34] #ubuntu-testing is the place to hang out to follow the daily builds [16:34] The testing team will probably use a two phase approach: [16:34] with the first batch of isos produced this week used for smoke testing [16:35] and then another batch of isos produced early next week [16:36] mathiaz: do we have bugs milestoned for beta? [16:38] nxvl: yes - but I don't find the url right now [16:39] nxvl: I'll ask aroung and put the url in the minutes [16:39] ok [16:39] :D [16:39] [TOPIC] Open discussion [16:39] New Topic: Open discussion [16:40] something to add ? [16:40] mathiaz: ill poke slangasek about that patch for samba 3.2.4 today [16:40] Server survey should be up by tomorrow [16:40] ebox is completely broken in intrepid [16:40] are there any plans to fix that? [16:40] wst: have you tried to version from the ebox-dev ppa ? [16:41] no will do that [16:41] nijaba: are you in touch with the marketing team ? [16:41] nijaba: is the launch plan up-to-date ? [16:42] mathiaz: a bit, was about to send them an announce. [16:42] wst: great - foolano asked for sponsoring of ebox into universe [16:42] wst: IIRC he was uploading the package to a PPA [16:42] mathiaz: yes, the plan is up to date, AFAIK and Canonical is issuing a press release [16:43] zul: great - keep in mind that Thursday is Beta Freeze [16:43] mathiaz: yep, they are in our PPA. I have to run some automatic tests to see if there's any issue with the latest uploads [16:43] mathiaz: yep [16:43] zul: but it's not a big issue if 3.2.4 gets in after Beta [16:43] foolano: do you have url for the PPA ? [16:43] mathiaz: its --><-- this close [16:44] just found it launchpad.net/~ebox-unstable [16:44] that's it [16:45] wst: foolano: great - could you report if things are working correctly ? [16:45] sure, i'm gonna run the tests right away [16:46] Anything else to add ? [16:47] will try, never used ebox before actually but will see what happens [16:48] foolano: I just started getting into the ebox code, but if there's anything I can do to help, feel free to ping me [16:50] [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time. [16:50] New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time. [16:50] I finally posted minutes from the server team meeting a few weeks ago, fwiw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20080819 [16:51] nealmcb: great ! Did you send them to the ubuntu-server@ ml ? [16:51] nice to see mootbot back - good to have a friend :) [16:51] mathiaz: time has moved on... but if you think it would be helpful [16:51] sommer: thanks, I'm writing a new tutorial, more like a step-by-step guide [16:52] nealmcb: true - at least it's on the wiki page. [16:52] yup [16:52] nealmcb: I may push them to the server blog though [16:52] nothing seems to still be useful for a current topic. that sounds good [16:52] helps to have the history anyway [16:53] * mathiaz nods [16:53] [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time. [16:53] New Topic: Agree on next meeting date and time. [16:54] same time, same place, next week ? [16:54] sure [16:54] mathiaz: can i add one thing? [16:54] kirkland: sure [16:55] mathiaz: thought it might be worth mentioning that you posted a poll last week to ubuntu-server@ ML [16:55] kirkland: right - I haven't set up a pool in LP [16:55] mathiaz: no, but you asked for feedback on the ML [16:55] kirkland: but send out a request for feedback for the encrypted directory step in the installer [16:56] kirkland: do you want to add something in the meeting ? [16:56] kirkland: we may run out of time [16:56] mathiaz: oh, sorry, just "vote!" [16:56] ;-) [16:56] kirkland: It seems that discussion is still going on the ml [16:57] that's all [16:58] great - so see you all next week [16:58] same time, same place [16:58] thanks! [16:58] thanks for coming and happy beta testing ! [16:58] #endmeeting [16:59] Meeting finished at 10:59. [17:03] thanks mathiaz, later all === mikrox is now known as mikro === beuno_ is now known as beuno