| ogra-Q1 | yippie!!!! | 00:54 |
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| * ogra-Q1 waves from the first working Q1 live session | 00:54 | |
| ogra-Q1 | ...finally bed time for me | 00:55 |
| ian_brasil | cgregan: someone mentioned that you had been looking at specific user profiles and what applications they might use..is there anything public you can point me to about this? | 02:19 |
| cgregan | ian_brasil: I was attempting to gather info to create a resource for this information for testing. Unfortunately, I ran into the same issue you seem to have....lack of public data. | 02:22 |
| ian_brasil | cgregan: ok np | 02:23 |
| cgregan | ian_brasil: If you would like to set up a wiki page, I would be happy to drop in info as I collect it | 02:23 |
| cgregan | We could try to gather people to add as we go | 02:24 |
| ian_brasil | yes, i can do that | 02:24 |
| cgregan | ian_brasil: Excellent | 02:24 |
| cgregan | ian_brasil: please email me a link when you do: cgregan@ubuntu.com | 02:24 |
| ian_brasil | ok | 02:25 |
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| persia | ian_brasil: Are you looking to build a list of things for which people use these devices generally, or a specific set of test cases? | 03:09 |
| * persia has lots of use cases, and wouldn't mind adding to a list | 03:09 | |
| ian_brasil | i am trying to 'market segment' the MID market and work out what needs to be done to target each specific segment | 03:13 |
| ian_brasil | like for example the primary factor driving the adoption of mobile devices in corporate settings is security. | 03:14 |
| ian_brasil | so ecryptfs-setup-private makes sense | 03:14 |
| ian_brasil | i found some marketing report which identified some segments | 03:15 |
| * ian_brasil does not know what all these are yet | 03:16 | |
| ian_brasil | Multimedia Enthusiasts, Gen Y Social Networkers, Younger Gamers, Soccer Moms, Lifestyle Boomers, Adventurers, Frugal Generalists, and Business Application Users. | 03:16 |
| StevenK | Gen Y Social Networkers == people who live on Facebook | 03:16 |
| ian_brasil | StevenK: cool, that was one i didn't know | 03:17 |
| persia | I'd add public transportation users to that list. The most common application for tiny (2-3.5"), very small (4-6"), and small (7-9") computers here is for email, light gaming, and reading books on the trains. | 03:20 |
| ian_brasil | persia: excellent, no one here does that because of security but I imagine that is a very common use | 03:23 |
| persia | ian_brasil: That's just a matter of market penetration. Here, it's well over 90% for the 2-3.5" range, with over 100% in metropolitan areas (many people carry two). | 03:24 |
| persia | for 4-6" and 7-9" the numbers are smaller: I'd say somewhere in the 5-10% range for each, but that's a bit of a guess. Generally about 1 in 50 people is actively using a larger device on the train (the Nintendo DS is definitely the market leader) | 03:25 |
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| cgregan | StevenK: ping | 04:56 |
| StevenK | Yay, drive-by ping | 05:06 |
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| lool | Hey | 08:09 |
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| ogra | StevenK, lool, to enable task generation, we need the header in the seed, need to use the ^ sign in the livecd.sh script and need to trigger the soyuz team to enable task generation from the seed headers, i asked cjwatson to do that for mobile already, bt i think we should do it for mid as well | 09:45 |
| StevenK | IE: ubuntu-mid^ as a task? | 09:46 |
| ogra | right | 09:46 |
| ogra | to avoid surprises through recommends | 09:46 |
| * lool is happy with a task | 09:47 | |
| ogra | i'll talk to colin if he's back | 09:48 |
| StevenK | I don't think anything else does that, though | 09:48 |
| ogra | StevenK, define "anything else" | 09:48 |
| StevenK | In livecd-rootfs. It seems it does, and I can't read. | 09:49 |
| ogra | ah, you mean any other seed/metapackage :) | 09:49 |
| StevenK | ogra: Sort it out, and hammer me to fix livecd-rootfs and I'll upload it | 09:49 |
| ogra | yeah, its only a ^ :) | 09:50 |
| ogra | but a ^ that costed me a day to find ... | 09:51 |
| ogra | (i had blindly copied mid to mobile in livefs.sh for testing ... and ended up with a ton unwanted stuff ) | 09:51 |
| ogra | luckily colin saved me ... i would never have found it and was near filing grave bug against apt :) | 09:52 |
| ogra | *a grave | 09:52 |
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| ogra | http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/mobile/ ;) | 10:54 |
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| lool | StevenK: How big is the nautilus dep tree? | 11:39 |
| StevenK | lool: Well, I could probably tell you if my edit_image script didn't drop the changes and not update the image. :-) | 11:45 |
| lool | I should really push mine | 12:00 |
| ogra | StevenK, do you have enough space inside the image ? | 12:02 |
| ogra | i mean the vfat | 12:02 |
| ogra | else use the grow_image script first | 12:02 |
| StevenK | ogra: I grew the image by another 50MB first | 12:02 |
| ogra | ah | 12:03 |
| ogra | hmm | 12:03 |
| ogra | StevenK, btw i still dont understand how build-mobile-img works, it cant work with the original files created by livecd-rootfs, does infinity change the filenames (mainly does he strip the livefs. in the beginning) if he copies it over ? | 12:06 |
| ogra | i always have to mangle it a bit to make it work locally ... for autobuilds i need to understand how ${TYPE} is used | 12:08 |
| ogra | which doesnt seem to be conform with the filenames i get from livecd-rootfs | 12:08 |
| StevenK | ogra: Okay, so if you run livecd.sh locally, you get livecd.${TYPE}.* | 12:09 |
| StevenK | ogra: If you run it on the buildds using BuildLiveCD, you get ${ARCH}.* | 12:09 |
| ogra | ah | 12:09 |
| ogra | hmm | 12:09 |
| StevenK | build-mobile-img was written with the assumption of the latter, of course | 12:10 |
| ogra | livecd.ubuntu-mobile.squashfs would then become generic.squashfs for me ... | 12:10 |
| ogra | not sure that doesnt clash with the actual livecd image | 12:10 |
| StevenK | No, it would become i386.squashfs or lpia.squashfs | 12:11 |
| ogra | right, but still, i assume the livecd uses the same name | 12:11 |
| ogra | since we oth build for i386/generic | 12:11 |
| ogra | *both | 12:11 |
| ogra | though likely only something infinity can solve anyway | 12:12 |
| StevenK | After this operation, 311MB of additional disk space will be used. | 12:22 |
| StevenK | lool: ^ | 12:22 |
| StevenK | lool: 'apt-get install nautilus' in an edit-image session | 12:22 |
| ogra | you should probably grow the image by 150M then :) | 12:26 |
| StevenK | I didn't get an ENOSPC error last time, though | 12:28 |
| StevenK | ogra: I'm also binning mobile-basic-flash and the entire Xul 1.8 stack | 12:28 |
| ogra | ah | 12:29 |
| ogra | well, i'd give it more than it needs for safety reasons, check how much it grows in real and then do a second edit | 12:29 |
| ogra | oh my, thats a lot of changes to get one more image in | 12:32 |
| Fenario | ogra: ping | 12:33 |
| ogra | Fenario, yep | 12:34 |
| Fenario | ogra can you provide our team with a complete of all the packages you put in the CMPC 1.5 image? | 12:35 |
| lool | StevenK: Thanks for the info | 12:36 |
| ogra | Fenario, sure, its under http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/cmpc/cmpc-gen1-installer/annotate/34?file_id=livecd.sh-20080428012938-h194unwuw3pk2f1y-9 i can extract the packagelist from there | 12:37 |
| ogra | "minimal^ standard^ edubuntu-desktop cheese classmate-initramfs classmate-artwork classmate-tools grub ttf-nafees kpdf kolourpaint thunderbird thunderbird-gnome-support 915resolution" | 12:37 |
| ogra | :) | 12:37 |
| Fenario | ogra:can you do this and provide it to Alex K? | 12:37 |
| ogra | Fenario, where should i send it to ? | 12:37 |
| ogra | oki | 12:37 |
| Fenario | ogra: thank you | 12:37 |
| ogra | davidm, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/mobile/ ... i'll blog it as soon as we have the next (fixed seed) image ready | 12:38 |
| * lool goes lunching | 12:42 | |
| Celtiore | hi | 12:49 |
| Celtiore | ogra, can i try this image on aigo mid p8860 ? | 12:49 |
| ogra | Celtiore, what CPU arch is that ? | 12:50 |
| ogra | its built for generic i386 | 12:50 |
| Celtiore | atom | 12:50 |
| ogra | should work | 12:50 |
| Celtiore | ok | 12:50 |
| Celtiore | i try | 12:50 |
| ogra | i might build an lpia image as well in the future, the current test images will only be i386 though | 12:50 |
| ogra | note that the sidebar isnt in the current image yet ... | 12:51 |
| Celtiore | the 2 probs on aigo mid, are the wifi and touchscreen | 12:51 |
| ogra | wifi should work ... | 12:52 |
| ogra | i doub the touchscreen will though | 12:52 |
| Celtiore | wifi we can put marvel driver, but touchscreen at this moment we can't find the idc touch | 12:52 |
| Celtiore | wifi use the sd8686 marvel | 12:52 |
| ogra | hmm, that might not be in the i386 kernel ... i see it in lpia | 12:53 |
| ogra | Celtiore, a good attempt would probably to ask in #ubuntu-kernel if sd8686 marvel can be included by default in the -generic kernel package ... seems teher is no prob to have it in lpia so it should be possible to have it by default in -generic as well | 12:58 |
| Celtiore | thanks you | 12:59 |
| StevenK | lool: Right, adding nautilus grows the squashfs by 50MB | 13:10 |
| Celtiore | ogra: i have "Boot error" message ?! | 13:34 |
| ogra | oh ? | 13:34 |
| ogra | whats the exact error ? | 13:34 |
| Celtiore | "Boot error" | 13:35 |
| ogra | thats all ? | 13:35 |
| Celtiore | i retry the dd | 13:35 |
| ogra | nothing more ? | 13:35 |
| Celtiore | no | 13:35 |
| ogra | yeah | 13:35 |
| ogra | it boots fine here on my Q1 | 13:36 |
| Celtiore | ogra, first DD was wrong | 13:53 |
| Celtiore | booting now correctly | 13:53 |
| ogra | good | 13:55 |
| ogra | lets see how the touchscreen and wlan behave | 13:56 |
| Celtiore | error with graphics devices | 14:01 |
| persia | What graphics HW does the Aigo have? | 14:02 |
| Celtiore | don't know :p | 14:03 |
| lool | Did anyone try to use usb-creator? | 14:04 |
| lool | We should make sure it supports our images | 14:04 |
| ogra | it cant | 14:04 |
| lool | Would stop people from using dd :-P | 14:04 |
| ogra | it needs isos | 14:04 |
| ogra | and you still need dd | 14:05 |
| ogra | it just creates dd'able images from ubuntu isos | 14:05 |
| ogra | that boot from usb | 14:05 |
| lool | ogra: At some point I suggested you discuss with Evan the merge of your two tools; did he get a chance to look at your stuff? | 14:05 |
| persia | usb creator needs usb imagewriter, but that didn't get enough attention for intrepid. | 14:05 |
| ogra | lool, he said he would take a look if he finds time | 14:06 |
| lool | Ok, thanks | 14:06 |
| ogra | but i doubt that has happened yet | 14:06 |
| persia | ogra: Are there 2D poulsbo drivers for i386? Alternately, does your image require 3D? | 14:06 |
| ogra | and imagewriter needs some love still | 14:06 |
| ogra | persia, it uses gnome ... it will use compiz if possible and fall back to metacity if tehere is no GL support, just like the ubuntu desktop | 14:07 |
| persia | Then I suspect the 2F poulsbo driver is not working for i386, and so Aigo MID users need lpia. | 14:08 |
| persia | s/F/D/ | 14:08 |
| ogra | yeah, might be | 14:08 |
| ogra | though i386 has a psb driver in xorg | 14:09 |
| persia | Hrm. | 14:09 |
| ogra | ogra@osiris:/var/build/mobile$ dpkg -l|grep psb | 14:09 |
| ogra | ii xserver-xorg-video-psb 0.2.1-1ubuntu3 2D graphics driver for Poulsbo | 14:09 |
| persia | Celtiore: Could you paste your /var/log/Xorg.log ? I suspect there's something odd happening. | 14:09 |
| ogra | the last few lines should suffice | 14:10 |
| Celtiore | persia: Poulsbo with 3D graphics, HD video playback (720p and 1080i content) and memory controller | 14:10 |
| Celtiore | yes ogra | 14:10 |
| Celtiore | i need to reboot and put usb keyboard | 14:10 |
| ogra | i suspect its not rebuilt against xorg 1.5 yet | 14:10 |
| Celtiore | aigo specs: http://umpchouse.com/aigospecs.php | 14:10 |
| persia | Celtiore: I don't think there are working 3D poulsbo drivers X 1.5. | 14:10 |
| ogra | oh, 4.8" 800x480 ? | 14:11 |
| ogra | that will get hairy with the mobile image ... | 14:11 |
| Celtiore | i have a box with : | 14:11 |
| Celtiore | how would you like to reconfigure your display : | 14:11 |
| persia | ogra: It's worth a shot :) | 14:11 |
| Celtiore | use default | 14:11 |
| Celtiore | create new configuration | 14:11 |
| Celtiore | use your backed-up configguration | 14:12 |
| ogra | persia, well, but you will definately need a pen :) | 14:12 |
| ogra | Celtiore, try default (guessing that will be vesa though) | 14:12 |
| persia | ogra: Yep. It's a MID (although fairly low DPI for a MID) :) | 14:13 |
| ogra | iÄm pretty sure you'll have a god bunch of ap probs though | 14:14 |
| ogra | *good | 14:14 |
| ogra | they are not designed for 480 | 14:14 |
| Celtiore | ogra, do nothing | 14:17 |
| ogra | does it get you back to the config dialog ? | 14:19 |
| Celtiore | yes | 14:23 |
| Celtiore | 2mins i have log errors | 14:23 |
| Celtiore | http://public.celtiore.fr/test/ | 14:25 |
| ogra | ha ! the Q1 touchpad isnt as bad as i thought ... just needs some love in the config http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/mobile/xournal-shot.png | 14:26 |
| ian_brasil | ogra: ha ha ...cool! | 14:33 |
| ogra | ian_brasil, seen that ? http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/mobile/ | 14:33 |
| ian_brasil | yes..iam downloading now | 14:34 |
| ogra | (the image hasnt the sidebar yet though... next build will) | 14:34 |
| ogra | and it has only configuration for the egalax touchscreen on the Q1 yet ... i havent receved other configs yet | 14:34 |
| ogra | *recieved | 14:35 |
| ian_brasil | i have a geode here ..i will try it on that | 14:36 |
| Celtiore | ogra, if you have time can you read the logs ? | 14:36 |
| ogra | Celtiore, hmm, the failsafe one should have used vesa and should have worked | 14:37 |
| Celtiore | just to have the box for the error message :p | 14:38 |
| ogra | if you click on configure and configure it with vesa, does it work ? | 14:39 |
| Celtiore | just ask me to restart | 14:40 |
| ogra | seems it tries the intel driver for the psb ... you can also tyr to force psb for that | 14:40 |
| ogra | *try | 14:40 |
| ogra | seems it didnt detect that it needs psb | 14:40 |
| Celtiore | how can i force ? | 14:40 |
| ogra | Celtiore, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 14:42 |
| ogra | in: Section "Device" | 14:42 |
| ogra | add: Driver "psb" | 14:43 |
| Celtiore | ok | 14:44 |
| ogra | no guarantee that works though | 14:44 |
| ogra | you can try the same ith vesa instead of psb | 14:44 |
| Celtiore | ok | 14:48 |
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| ian_brasil | i thought desktop icons went in /usr/share/icons/hicolor | 19:59 |
| * ian_brasil looks for freedesktop.org standards documentation | 19:59 | |
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