[00:54] yippie!!!! [00:54] * ogra-Q1 waves from the first working Q1 live session [00:55] ...finally bed time for me [02:19] cgregan: someone mentioned that you had been looking at specific user profiles and what applications they might use..is there anything public you can point me to about this? [02:22] ian_brasil: I was attempting to gather info to create a resource for this information for testing. Unfortunately, I ran into the same issue you seem to have....lack of public data. [02:23] cgregan: ok np [02:23] ian_brasil: If you would like to set up a wiki page, I would be happy to drop in info as I collect it [02:24] We could try to gather people to add as we go [02:24] yes, i can do that [02:24] ian_brasil: Excellent [02:24] ian_brasil: please email me a link when you do: cgregan@ubuntu.com [02:25] ok === ALo is now known as ALoGeNo === ALo is now known as ALoGeNo [03:09] ian_brasil: Are you looking to build a list of things for which people use these devices generally, or a specific set of test cases? [03:09] * persia has lots of use cases, and wouldn't mind adding to a list [03:13] i am trying to 'market segment' the MID market and work out what needs to be done to target each specific segment [03:14] like for example the primary factor driving the adoption of mobile devices in corporate settings is security. [03:14] so ecryptfs-setup-private makes sense [03:15] i found some marketing report which identified some segments [03:16] * ian_brasil does not know what all these are yet [03:16] Multimedia Enthusiasts, Gen Y Social Networkers, Younger Gamers, Soccer Moms, Lifestyle Boomers, Adventurers, Frugal Generalists, and Business Application Users. [03:16] Gen Y Social Networkers == people who live on Facebook [03:17] StevenK: cool, that was one i didn't know [03:20] I'd add public transportation users to that list. The most common application for tiny (2-3.5"), very small (4-6"), and small (7-9") computers here is for email, light gaming, and reading books on the trains. [03:23] persia: excellent, no one here does that because of security but I imagine that is a very common use [03:24] ian_brasil: That's just a matter of market penetration. Here, it's well over 90% for the 2-3.5" range, with over 100% in metropolitan areas (many people carry two). [03:25] for 4-6" and 7-9" the numbers are smaller: I'd say somewhere in the 5-10% range for each, but that's a bit of a guess. Generally about 1 in 50 people is actively using a larger device on the train (the Nintendo DS is definitely the market leader) === ALo is now known as ALoGeNo === hfwilke_ is now known as hfwilke === ALo is now known as ALoGeNo [04:56] StevenK: ping [05:06] Yay, drive-by ping === ALo is now known as ALoGeNo === ALo is now known as ALoGeNo === persia_ is now known as persia === ALo is now known as ALoGeNo === ALo is now known as ALoGeNo === ALo is now known as ALoGeNo [08:09] Hey === ALo is now known as ALoGeNo === ALo is now known as ALoGeNo [09:45] StevenK, lool, to enable task generation, we need the header in the seed, need to use the ^ sign in the livecd.sh script and need to trigger the soyuz team to enable task generation from the seed headers, i asked cjwatson to do that for mobile already, bt i think we should do it for mid as well [09:46] IE: ubuntu-mid^ as a task? [09:46] right [09:46] to avoid surprises through recommends [09:47] * lool is happy with a task [09:48] i'll talk to colin if he's back [09:48] I don't think anything else does that, though [09:48] StevenK, define "anything else" [09:49] In livecd-rootfs. It seems it does, and I can't read. [09:49] ah, you mean any other seed/metapackage :) [09:49] ogra: Sort it out, and hammer me to fix livecd-rootfs and I'll upload it [09:50] yeah, its only a ^ :) [09:51] but a ^ that costed me a day to find ... [09:51] (i had blindly copied mid to mobile in livefs.sh for testing ... and ended up with a ton unwanted stuff ) [09:52] luckily colin saved me ... i would never have found it and was near filing grave bug against apt :) [09:52] *a grave === ALo is now known as ALoGeNo === ALo is now known as ALoGeNo [10:54] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/mobile/ ;) === ALo is now known as ALoGeNo [11:39] StevenK: How big is the nautilus dep tree? [11:45] lool: Well, I could probably tell you if my edit_image script didn't drop the changes and not update the image. :-) [12:00] I should really push mine [12:02] StevenK, do you have enough space inside the image ? [12:02] i mean the vfat [12:02] else use the grow_image script first [12:02] ogra: I grew the image by another 50MB first [12:03] ah [12:03] hmm [12:06] StevenK, btw i still dont understand how build-mobile-img works, it cant work with the original files created by livecd-rootfs, does infinity change the filenames (mainly does he strip the livefs. in the beginning) if he copies it over ? [12:08] i always have to mangle it a bit to make it work locally ... for autobuilds i need to understand how ${TYPE} is used [12:08] which doesnt seem to be conform with the filenames i get from livecd-rootfs [12:09] ogra: Okay, so if you run livecd.sh locally, you get livecd.${TYPE}.* [12:09] ogra: If you run it on the buildds using BuildLiveCD, you get ${ARCH}.* [12:09] ah [12:09] hmm [12:10] build-mobile-img was written with the assumption of the latter, of course [12:10] livecd.ubuntu-mobile.squashfs would then become generic.squashfs for me ... [12:10] not sure that doesnt clash with the actual livecd image [12:11] No, it would become i386.squashfs or lpia.squashfs [12:11] right, but still, i assume the livecd uses the same name [12:11] since we oth build for i386/generic [12:11] *both [12:12] though likely only something infinity can solve anyway [12:22] After this operation, 311MB of additional disk space will be used. [12:22] lool: ^ [12:22] lool: 'apt-get install nautilus' in an edit-image session [12:26] you should probably grow the image by 150M then :) [12:28] I didn't get an ENOSPC error last time, though [12:28] ogra: I'm also binning mobile-basic-flash and the entire Xul 1.8 stack [12:29] ah [12:29] well, i'd give it more than it needs for safety reasons, check how much it grows in real and then do a second edit [12:32] oh my, thats a lot of changes to get one more image in [12:33] ogra: ping [12:34] Fenario, yep [12:35] ogra can you provide our team with a complete of all the packages you put in the CMPC 1.5 image? [12:36] StevenK: Thanks for the info [12:37] Fenario, sure, its under http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/cmpc/cmpc-gen1-installer/annotate/34?file_id=livecd.sh-20080428012938-h194unwuw3pk2f1y-9 i can extract the packagelist from there [12:37] "minimal^ standard^ edubuntu-desktop cheese classmate-initramfs classmate-artwork classmate-tools grub ttf-nafees kpdf kolourpaint thunderbird thunderbird-gnome-support 915resolution" [12:37] :) [12:37] ogra:can you do this and provide it to Alex K? [12:37] Fenario, where should i send it to ? [12:37] oki [12:37] ogra: thank you [12:38] davidm, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/mobile/ ... i'll blog it as soon as we have the next (fixed seed) image ready [12:42] * lool goes lunching [12:49] hi [12:49] ogra, can i try this image on aigo mid p8860 ? [12:50] Celtiore, what CPU arch is that ? [12:50] its built for generic i386 [12:50] atom [12:50] should work [12:50] ok [12:50] i try [12:50] i might build an lpia image as well in the future, the current test images will only be i386 though [12:51] note that the sidebar isnt in the current image yet ... [12:51] the 2 probs on aigo mid, are the wifi and touchscreen [12:52] wifi should work ... [12:52] i doub the touchscreen will though [12:52] wifi we can put marvel driver, but touchscreen at this moment we can't find the idc touch [12:52] wifi use the sd8686 marvel [12:53] hmm, that might not be in the i386 kernel ... i see it in lpia [12:58] Celtiore, a good attempt would probably to ask in #ubuntu-kernel if sd8686 marvel can be included by default in the -generic kernel package ... seems teher is no prob to have it in lpia so it should be possible to have it by default in -generic as well [12:59] thanks you [13:10] lool: Right, adding nautilus grows the squashfs by 50MB [13:34] ogra: i have "Boot error" message ?! [13:34] oh ? [13:34] whats the exact error ? [13:35] "Boot error" [13:35] thats all ? [13:35] i retry the dd [13:35] nothing more ? [13:35] no [13:35] yeah [13:36] it boots fine here on my Q1 [13:53] ogra, first DD was wrong [13:53] booting now correctly [13:55] good [13:56] lets see how the touchscreen and wlan behave [14:01] error with graphics devices [14:02] What graphics HW does the Aigo have? [14:03] don't know :p [14:04] Did anyone try to use usb-creator? [14:04] We should make sure it supports our images [14:04] it cant [14:04] Would stop people from using dd :-P [14:04] it needs isos [14:05] and you still need dd [14:05] it just creates dd'able images from ubuntu isos [14:05] that boot from usb [14:05] ogra: At some point I suggested you discuss with Evan the merge of your two tools; did he get a chance to look at your stuff? [14:05] usb creator needs usb imagewriter, but that didn't get enough attention for intrepid. [14:06] lool, he said he would take a look if he finds time [14:06] Ok, thanks [14:06] but i doubt that has happened yet [14:06] ogra: Are there 2D poulsbo drivers for i386? Alternately, does your image require 3D? [14:06] and imagewriter needs some love still [14:07] persia, it uses gnome ... it will use compiz if possible and fall back to metacity if tehere is no GL support, just like the ubuntu desktop [14:08] Then I suspect the 2F poulsbo driver is not working for i386, and so Aigo MID users need lpia. [14:08] s/F/D/ [14:08] yeah, might be [14:09] though i386 has a psb driver in xorg [14:09] Hrm. [14:09] ogra@osiris:/var/build/mobile$ dpkg -l|grep psb [14:09] ii xserver-xorg-video-psb 0.2.1-1ubuntu3 2D graphics driver for Poulsbo [14:09] Celtiore: Could you paste your /var/log/Xorg.log ? I suspect there's something odd happening. [14:10] the last few lines should suffice [14:10] persia: Poulsbo with 3D graphics, HD video playback (720p and 1080i content) and memory controller [14:10] yes ogra [14:10] i need to reboot and put usb keyboard [14:10] i suspect its not rebuilt against xorg 1.5 yet [14:10] aigo specs: http://umpchouse.com/aigospecs.php [14:10] Celtiore: I don't think there are working 3D poulsbo drivers X 1.5. [14:11] oh, 4.8" 800x480 ? [14:11] that will get hairy with the mobile image ... [14:11] i have a box with : [14:11] how would you like to reconfigure your display : [14:11] ogra: It's worth a shot :) [14:11] use default [14:11] create new configuration [14:12] use your backed-up configguration [14:12] persia, well, but you will definately need a pen :) [14:12] Celtiore, try default (guessing that will be vesa though) [14:13] ogra: Yep. It's a MID (although fairly low DPI for a MID) :) [14:14] iÄm pretty sure you'll have a god bunch of ap probs though [14:14] *good [14:14] they are not designed for 480 [14:17] ogra, do nothing [14:19] does it get you back to the config dialog ? [14:23] yes [14:23] 2mins i have log errors [14:25] http://public.celtiore.fr/test/ [14:26] ha ! the Q1 touchpad isnt as bad as i thought ... just needs some love in the config http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/mobile/xournal-shot.png [14:33] ogra: ha ha ...cool! [14:33] ian_brasil, seen that ? http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/mobile/ [14:34] yes..iam downloading now [14:34] (the image hasnt the sidebar yet though... next build will) [14:34] and it has only configuration for the egalax touchscreen on the Q1 yet ... i havent receved other configs yet [14:35] *recieved [14:36] i have a geode here ..i will try it on that [14:36] ogra, if you have time can you read the logs ? [14:37] Celtiore, hmm, the failsafe one should have used vesa and should have worked [14:38] just to have the box for the error message :p [14:39] if you click on configure and configure it with vesa, does it work ? [14:40] just ask me to restart [14:40] seems it tries the intel driver for the psb ... you can also tyr to force psb for that [14:40] *try [14:40] seems it didnt detect that it needs psb [14:40] how can i force ? [14:42] Celtiore, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf [14:42] in: Section "Device" [14:43] add: Driver "psb" [14:44] ok [14:44] no guarantee that works though [14:44] you can try the same ith vesa instead of psb [14:48] ok === ALo is now known as ALoGeNo === ALo is now known as ALoGeNo [16:58] * lool goes for a walk === ALo is now known as ALoGeNo === ALo is now known as ALoGeNo === robr_ is now known as robr === ALo is now known as ALoGeNo === njpatel is now known as njpatel_away [19:59] i thought desktop icons went in /usr/share/icons/hicolor [19:59] * ian_brasil looks for freedesktop.org standards documentation === ALo is now known as ALoGeNo