[04:27] Hi. I've been working on Bug #272263, and I get a working package. My question is: should I change the binary name from icedove-dispmua to thunderbird-dispmua? [04:27] Launchpad bug 272263 in icedove-dispmua "icedove-dispmua: Package has a Depends on icedove (<= 2.0.0.99) which cannot be satisfied in Intrepid" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272263 [04:30] Or because of license issue, I should wait? [04:30] the same happen with icedove-nostalgy [07:22] hi! [11:43] anyone running KDE with grub splash defined in /boot/grub? it should be the firsst few lines [11:44] nope :) [12:18] asac: you broke mozilla's infra [12:19] armin76: me? [12:19] armin76: how that? [12:21] ftp.mozilla.org doesn't work [12:21] and mozilla.org gives 501, although www.moz works [12:21] armin76: good ;) [12:21] i succeeded in pushing back the release :-D [12:22] jk === Nafallo_ is now known as Nafallo [12:23] fta: could you push nss.head and nspr.dev to your PPA? [12:23] i would love to get broader testing on whether the soname migration really doesnt cause any regressions [12:23] (even without respinnning) [12:24] is 3.0.2 going to be released today? [12:24] fta: actually i was confused again by the branches ;) ... so i ended up doing things in nspr.dev ... and nss.head [12:25] armin76: i think so [12:31] asac: i finished testing linkwidgets this morning so far no problems with it. so now all 4 are done and ready [12:31] * gnomefreak goes to look for another one [12:42] ok ... i posted 522th comment now ;) ... hopefull we wont reach 550 on that bug soon :) [12:43] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17877769/firstrun.png [12:43] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17877774/about_rights.png [12:43] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17877776/about_rights_expanded.png [12:43] those most likely are the versions that will go on \o/ [12:46] asac: are these separate tabs? [12:46] he? [12:46] gnomefreak: if you click on the "Know Your Rights ..." button [12:46] it will open about_rights.png [12:47] when you click on the title at the bottom it will expand to the about_rights_expanded.png [12:47] ah i see i missed the first one [12:47] asac: good job maybe now once pushed that bug can be closed [12:47] gnomefreak: yeah. i marked it "fix committed" ;) [12:47] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/269656/comments/522 [12:48] Ubuntu bug 269656 in ubufox "AN IRRELEVANT LICENSE IS PRESENTED TO YOU FREE-OF-CHARGE ON STARTUP" [High,Fix committed] [12:51] yay finally spreadsheat bullshit and $HOME is cleaned up and organized [12:51] * gnomefreak smoke [13:02] im gonna end up rebooting (kernel upgrade [13:02] ) and breakfast ;) [13:16] hi! [13:25] hi XioNoX [13:25] Hi asac! [13:26] [reed]: http://mozilla.com/ ... is that intentional that nothing happens ;)? [13:26] http://mozilla.org/ [13:26] I'm at school, i have a very bad connexion outside the school [13:26] XioNoX: how that? [13:27] I use a wifi bridge between 2 buildings with a low signal [13:28] so i have frequent deconexions [13:30] the MAOW was cool, and very interesting :) [13:32] asac, I've discover FUEL :) [13:32] nice ;) [13:33] What is new on your side ? [13:35] asac, What happend with mozilla.org ? [13:36] I can't connect to irc too [13:39] realy? [13:39] hmm ... strange [13:39] XioNoX: new on my side? not much except the infamous EULA bug ;) [13:42] Yeah, we can't miss it :D [13:42] where does it come from ? [13:45] [reed]: ping? [13:50] all mozilla.org & mozilla.com servers seem to be down :( [13:51] dholbert, I agree, even the irc server [13:51] I think reed is busy :D [13:51] XioNoX: yup :-/ and bugzilla [13:51] i have to go [13:51] see you [13:51] seeya [13:51] cu XioNoX [13:51] and people.mozilla.org, and the mail server, and hg.mozilla.org for source code... [13:52] ouch [13:52] and tinderbox [13:52] sounds more like a complete network down issue :) [13:52] yeah :) [13:52] router bustage ;) [13:52] I came in to the office early to get some work done, but now I'm wishing I'd stayed home [13:52] wish I knew which closet to open & which router to reboot :) [13:52] i know what you mean :-D [13:53] dholbert: so its even down from within the office? is all this co-located? [13:53] * dholbert shuts down power to entire Mozilla offices & then turns it on again, to reboot everything [13:53] Good point, yeah [13:53] Most of the servers are elsewhere [13:54] lol no way to report the problem... methods would be (a) IRC -- down. (b) bugzilla - down. (c) look up an IT person's phone number -- but our phonebook page is down [13:54] maybe the whistler truck finally made it to your place :-P [13:54] darn those microsofties and their rogue laundry trucks! [13:55] oh well. Maybe I'll install intrepid on my laptop instead of working, then. :) [13:55] at least you still have general internet [13:55] that helps in getting distraction [13:55] Yeah, totally [13:56] though, if I had no internet here but Mozilla stuff was up elsewhere [13:56] I could at least go home and get stuff done there :) [13:56] @time los_angeles [13:56] Current time in America/Los_Angeles: September 23 2008, 05:56:52 - Next meeting: QA Team in 1 day [13:57] ooh, snazzy [13:57] hmm ... 1 hour to go until release team notices that something is wrong ;) [13:57] which release team? [13:57] mozilla [13:57] from nightlies failing, you mean? [13:58] or from when joduinn wakes up? :) [13:58] dholbert: no ... today there was a release from what i heard ;) [13:58] Ah, righto [14:11] do we not have a meeting date and time for next one? [14:15] foxmarks isnt gonna happen for a while most likely during next dev cycle [14:16] gnomefreak: we dont? i thougth we have meetings scheduled for at least the rest of the year [14:16] asac: i was reading the topic [14:16] ah [14:16] it says TBA [14:16] hmm [14:17] yeah. i think we scheduled them already [14:17] volans can probably tell more [14:17] (when he is back) [14:18] im cc'ing the foxmarks emails to mailing list. [14:18] gnomefreak: good [14:23] son of a bitch i did email him already about this. [14:25] asac: any reason we dont accept Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 license for extensions? [14:26] and what is DFSG? [14:28] hehe [14:29] gnomefreak: not sure [14:29] where is that license? [14:29] DFSG - Debian Free Software Guidlines --> which define tests to check for freeness of a license [14:30] gnomefreak: i think http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/ should be fine [14:32] asac: i dont have a link for it [14:32] asac: ill read it but either way there is no license in foxmarks no matter how much i wish it was there [14:33] ok [14:34] yop [14:34] i am preparing for lunchy now ;) [14:36] urgh [14:36] http://news.opensuse.org/2008/09/22/serious-e1000e-driver-issue-in-sle-11-beta-1-and-opensuse-111-beta-1/ [14:36] seems we have that issue too here :/ [14:36] "The Intel e1000e driver on openSUSE 11.1 Beta 1 and SUSE Linux Enterprise 11 Beta 1 might have a serious issue with the potential to damage the network card in a way that it cannot be used any longer." [14:47] who thinks this email looks like spam? mx167-86-voicenet.voicenet.com ([207.103.167.86] [14:47] it had subject "how to block websites in firefox" [15:06] were not packaging themes for FF3 are we? [15:06] * gnomefreak likes Chomifox [15:11] gnomefreak: i dont see an urgent need for packaged themese, but I i dont think there is anything against doing that [15:12] i agree its not urgent but i think we should concider it for intrepid+1 (something that starts with a j) [15:12] http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=24003 [15:18] this is interesting http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/07/13/please-insert-25-cents-to-login/ [15:19] brb im gonna see what it does [15:34] bug 272305 [15:34] Launchpad bug 272305 in network-manager "NM 0.7: applet does not react if "Auto GSM network connection" is selected too fast" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272305 [15:35] * gnomefreak goes to lay down i slept less than 2 hours last night. [15:35] gnomefreak: get some rest [15:35] cu later [15:36] im gonna try ill see you when i get up [15:45] [reed]: help :( ... i cannot verify the final advisories and the bugs we have fixed :( [15:49] [reed]: bz is up again. thanks a bunch [15:52] woot, bugzilla is indeed back up [15:53] though mozilla irc still seems to be down... [15:55] dholbert: err ... i am online on mozilla irc [15:55] asac: rly? xchat thinks it's been retrying & timing out repeatedly for a while [15:55] maybe it's got the wrong IP cached [16:05] asac: what IP do you get when you ping irc.mozilla.org ? [16:05] asac: I get 63.245.212.23 , which I can't traceroute to :( [16:07] dholbert: 63.245.212.23 ... so the same [16:07] but i am definitly connected and there is "noise" in the channel [16:07] k, thanks. Interesting [17:37] fta: tbird 3.0 + enigmail ? [17:37] ? [17:38] fta: we dont have an engimail for 3.0 yet right? [17:39] i remember gnomefreak had issues with it months ago, i don't know if it's still there [17:47] back! [17:49] yay [17:50] asac, what happened to the mozilla serveurs ? [17:50] XioNoX: apparently power outage at colo [17:50] but thats just a 3rd hand info ;) [17:50] ok [17:52] asac, so how it is going for intrepid ? [17:54] XioNoX: i lack behind in all areas :) [17:55] can you add a little feature in nm-apelet before intrepid is released ? :D [17:55] hehe [17:55] asac: now the flash fix made it into the archive, right? :) [17:57] XioNoX: which feature do you want? [17:57] sebner: which flash fix? [17:58] add a refresh button in the wireless network list [17:59] asac: pulseaudio ;) [17:59] so what could I do now, witch is not too time consuming ? [18:09] sebner: yeah \o/ [18:09] XioNoX: hmm [18:10] XioNoX: you could special case a bunch of plugin names in ubufox depending on the filename [18:11] XioNoX: e.g. libgnash*so should show up as Gnash SWF Player [18:11] asac: \o'/ [18:11] XioNoX: e.g. libswfdec*.so should show up as Swfdec SWF Player [18:11] and libflashsupport or npviewer.flash... should show up as Adobe Flash SWF Player [18:12] ok [18:12] XioNoX: be sure that you start with current main HEAD [18:13] XioNoX: that should be quite a simple task i hope ;) [18:13] I think too [18:14] XioNoX: also, we still want to add a menu entry that will start the plugin finder wizard for the mime-type in the alternative wizard [18:15] asac, this one : https://code.launchpad.net/~asac/ubufox/main ? [18:15] yeah or simply lp:ubufox [18:16] ok [18:23] asac, I don't see anything on intrepid when I go to a webpage with flash content [18:25] sure that correct ubufox isi installedß [18:26] XioNoX: if you dont have flash installed it wont work afaicr [18:26] "dont have any flash installed" i mean [18:29] asac, 0.6~b1 ? [18:33] XioNoX: yeah [18:33] i think so [18:33] nothing... [18:33] XioNoX: any other extension installed? [18:34] nop [18:34] XioNoX: maybe a special site .. works here on youtbue at leat [18:35] t45ol.com [18:35] works [18:35] not for me [18:36] XioNoX: is the "manauge content plugins" menu entry visible in tools menu? [18:36] even on youtube [18:36] no [18:36] XioNoX: then you havent installed it properly [18:36] the menu will always appear beacuse its a simple mechanism [18:36] XioNoX: rev 115 is the branch revision [18:37] i install updates of the week and I check [19:06] Hi. Any opinion about Bug #272263, and my proposal to rename binary package to thunderbird-dispmua (apart from correcting dependency from icedove to thunderbird)? [19:06] Launchpad bug 272263 in icedove-dispmua "icedove-dispmua: Package has a Depends on icedove (<= 2.0.0.99) which cannot be satisfied in Intrepid" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272263 [19:39] asac, how can I check the branch revision ? [19:40] of ubufox, because even with updates I got nothing [19:40] I'm upgrading my main/production ubuntu to Intrepid [19:40] I home it is stable enough [19:42] XioNoX: bzr log |head [19:45] asac, I'm using the deb version of ubufox [20:04] XioNoX: dont know. the menu should show up. maybe you have still an old ubufox in your profile or something :/ [20:05] anyone else here has ubufox installed and could verfiy that the TOols -> Manage Content Plugins menu entry exists? [20:21] asac, i see you took care about nss, thanks, i totally forgot about it [20:22] fta: well. i had this soname thing on my plate [20:22] asac, btw, what happened with the symbols files? the diff looks huge [20:22] fta: would be nice if you oculd test it [20:22] fta: yeah. i bumped all versions to current package versoin [20:22] to reflect that the soname changed [20:22] hm, i see. ok [20:22] fta: also in nss.head there was some cruft for the libs that were copied to /usr/lib [20:23] fta: like freebl.so and so on [20:23] fta: i should have committed in multiple steps to make those diffs more readable ... i agree [20:23] upstream changes a few things in nss yesterday, kind of reorg [20:23] changed [20:23] fta: in HEAD? [20:23] yes [20:24] got that from my bonsai feed [20:24] nspr is also transitioned on .dev branch [20:24] we have to think about nspr.head ... not sure if that was supposed to be still active [20:25] i think with both we should be 100% upstream compatible again [20:25] i have to resurrect my fedora though to test if our binaries really run on their system [20:26] but that can take at least a week === fabrice_sp_ is now known as fabrice_sp [20:29] ok [20:29] asac, now that ff3.0 is out, can i update & push 3.1 to intrepid ? [20:29] i mean, to universe [20:29] 3.0 isnt out yet :) [20:29] or is it? [20:30] it's not ? i saw your changelog closing it !? [20:30] yeah [20:30] but not yet officially [20:30] i am waiting for them to pull the trigger ;) [20:30] not pushed yet or waiting in a queue ? [20:31] fta: upstream hasnt announed it ... we cannot go ahead until they publish their security advisories [20:31] oh, i saw xul, not ff [20:31] build6 [20:32] fta: i uploaded xul ... figuring that that wont cause less confusion [20:32] err would [20:32] i was just waiting for a closed changelog to re-sync 1.9.1/3.1 [20:32] fta: i think ffox 3.0.2 is closed [20:32] fta: you can merge up [20:33] ok [20:33] great [20:33] i will try to file a bug for 3.1 and subscribe motu-release too ... explaining the idea of 1.9.1 [20:33] fta: but later ... have to do something for 2 hours now ;) [20:34] ok, i still have to resync all my branches then merge, take your time [20:36] asac, i will then comment on the bug to explain the changes i made, and why i made them [21:01] asac: I don't suppose you've had any luck looking at ubuntu-docs yet? if you have any questions on how the package is laid out, please give me a shout! === fabrice_sp_ is now known as fabrice_sp [22:13] asac, jcastro: just spent some time reading brainstorm, it seems to me that half of the ideas (if not more) are in fact wish bugs that should go upstream. i don't see what ubuntu could do for those except dragging developers to work into this.. and i'm afraid devs are not that many in our community, and the ones that are *and* that are willing to help have already their hands full. [22:13] Am i wrong? [22:14] fta_: what I try to do is to encourage people to tag them [22:14] so like "amarok" or whatever [22:14] and then point it out to upstreams if they want to follow along [22:17] 13178 ideas, 62636 comments, 1240670 votes seems a lot [22:40] jcastro: why was http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/525/ closed? [22:41] (i see the comment, but dont understand why it should be closed because of that) [22:41] should I reopen it? [22:42] I don't mind one way or the other [22:44] jcastro: just want to understand if there is a rule or something [22:44] jcastro: i think suggestions about default apps are valid ... even if we disagree now [22:44] not really it's just one big pile [22:44] fair enough [22:51] @time los_angeles [22:51] Current time in America/Los_Angeles: September 23 2008, 14:51:55 - Next meeting: QA Team in 19 hours 8 minutes [23:27] should we do something for http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/280/ or stick to upstream choices ? [23:28] fta_: that surely has a mozilla bug with excessive coverage [23:29] at least i remember that upstream discussed this for 3.0 and planned to revisit it for 3.1 [23:29] fta_: you showed me this 3D thing once ... what was that? [23:30] which 3D thing ? [23:30] a screenshot with 2 windows ? === fta_ is now known as fta [23:30] it was an animated gif [23:31] that's the new -moz-transform css tag [23:31] [23:31] [23:33] yeah thats definitly awesome :) [23:33] but too slow [23:34] but it's not 3D, just distorted 2D :) [23:34] yeah [23:34] too bad [23:35] there's a 3D patch iirc, vlad has/had a branch [23:35] http://hg.mozilla.org/users/vladimir_mozilla.com/canvas3d/ [23:35] fta: thats what i thought when you showed it to me [23:35] last change Wed, 28 May 2008 14:25:15 -0700 [23:38] grrr [23:38] -+ the right to distribute your modified versions. $ [23:38] ++ the right to distribute your modified versions.$ [23:38] lp269656_know_your_rights.patch [23:39] grr? [23:40] merging, fixing diverged, got trailing spaces [23:40] mozilla usually rejects patches for that ;) [23:42] asac, did you have time for the ff3.1 bug? [23:57] http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/4191/