[04:27] <fabrice_sp> Hi. I've been working on Bug #272263, and I get a working package. My question is: should I change the binary name from icedove-dispmua to thunderbird-dispmua?
[04:30] <fabrice_sp> Or because of license issue, I should wait?
[04:30] <fabrice_sp> the same happen with icedove-nostalgy
[07:22] <XioNoX> hi!
[11:43] <gnomefreak> anyone running KDE with grub splash defined in /boot/grub? it should be the firsst few lines
[11:44] <asac> nope :)
[12:18] <armin76> asac: you broke mozilla's infra
[12:19] <asac> armin76: me?
[12:19] <asac> armin76: how that?
[12:21] <armin76> ftp.mozilla.org doesn't work
[12:21] <armin76> and mozilla.org gives 501, although www.moz works
[12:21] <asac> armin76: good ;)
[12:21] <asac> i succeeded in pushing back the release :-D
[12:22] <asac> jk
[12:23] <asac> fta: could you push nss.head and nspr.dev to your PPA?
[12:23] <asac> i would love to get broader testing on whether the soname migration really doesnt cause any regressions
[12:23] <asac> (even without respinnning)
[12:24] <armin76> is 3.0.2 going to be released today?
[12:24] <asac> fta: actually i was confused again by the branches ;) ... so i ended up doing things in nspr.dev ... and nss.head
[12:25] <asac> armin76: i think so
[12:31] <gnomefreak> asac: i finished testing linkwidgets this morning so far no problems with it. so now all 4 are done and ready
[12:31]  * gnomefreak goes to look for another one
[12:42] <asac> ok ... i posted 522th comment now ;) ... hopefull we wont reach 550 on that bug soon :)
[12:43] <asac> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17877769/firstrun.png
[12:43] <asac> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17877774/about_rights.png
[12:43] <asac> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17877776/about_rights_expanded.png
[12:43] <asac> those most likely are the versions that will go on \o/
[12:46] <gnomefreak> asac: are these separate tabs?
[12:46] <asac> he?
[12:46] <asac> gnomefreak: if you click on the "Know Your Rights ..." button
[12:46] <asac> it will open about_rights.png
[12:47] <asac> when you click on the title at the bottom it will expand to the about_rights_expanded.png
[12:47] <gnomefreak> ah i see i missed the first one
[12:47] <gnomefreak> asac: good job maybe now once pushed that bug can be closed
[12:47] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah. i marked it "fix committed" ;)
[12:47] <asac> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/269656/comments/522
[12:51] <gnomefreak> yay finally spreadsheat bullshit and $HOME is cleaned up and organized
[12:51]  * gnomefreak smoke
[13:02] <gnomefreak> im gonna end up rebooting (kernel upgrade
[13:02] <gnomefreak> ) and breakfast ;)
[13:16] <XioNoX> hi!
[13:25] <asac> hi XioNoX
[13:25] <XioNoX> Hi asac!
[13:26] <asac> [reed]: http://mozilla.com/ ... is that intentional that nothing happens ;)?
[13:26] <asac> http://mozilla.org/
[13:26] <XioNoX> I'm at school, i have a very bad connexion outside the school
[13:26] <asac> XioNoX: how that?
[13:27] <XioNoX> I use a wifi bridge between 2 buildings with a low signal
[13:28] <XioNoX> so i have frequent deconexions
[13:30] <XioNoX> the MAOW was cool, and very interesting :)
[13:32] <XioNoX> asac, I've discover FUEL :)
[13:32] <asac> nice ;)
[13:33] <XioNoX> What is new on your side ?
[13:35] <XioNoX> asac, What happend with mozilla.org ?
[13:36] <XioNoX> I can't connect to irc too
[13:39] <asac> realy?
[13:39] <asac> hmm ... strange
[13:39] <asac> XioNoX: new on my side? not much except the infamous EULA bug ;)
[13:42] <XioNoX> Yeah, we can't miss it :D
[13:42] <XioNoX> where does it come from ?
[13:45] <dholbert> [reed]: ping?
[13:50] <dholbert> all mozilla.org & mozilla.com servers seem to be down :(
[13:51] <XioNoX> dholbert, I agree, even the irc server
[13:51] <XioNoX> I think reed is busy :D
[13:51] <dholbert> XioNoX: yup :-/ and bugzilla
[13:51] <XioNoX> i have to go
[13:51] <XioNoX> see you
[13:51] <dholbert> seeya
[13:51] <asac> cu XioNoX
[13:51] <dholbert> and people.mozilla.org, and the mail server, and hg.mozilla.org for source code...
[13:52] <asac> ouch
[13:52] <dholbert> and tinderbox
[13:52] <asac> sounds more like a complete network down issue :)
[13:52] <dholbert> yeah :)
[13:52] <asac> router bustage ;)
[13:52] <dholbert> I came in to the office early to get some work done, but now I'm wishing I'd stayed home
[13:52] <dholbert> wish I knew which closet to open & which router to reboot :)
[13:52] <asac> i know what you mean :-D
[13:53] <asac> dholbert: so its even down from within the office? is all this co-located?
[13:53]  * dholbert shuts down power to entire Mozilla offices & then turns it on again, to reboot everything
[13:53] <dholbert> Good point, yeah
[13:53] <dholbert> Most of the servers are elsewhere
[13:54] <dholbert> lol no way to report the problem... methods would be (a) IRC -- down.  (b) bugzilla - down.  (c) look up an IT person's phone number -- but our phonebook page is down
[13:54] <asac> maybe the whistler truck finally made it to your place :-P
[13:54] <dholbert> darn those microsofties and their rogue laundry trucks!
[13:55] <dholbert> oh well.  Maybe I'll install intrepid on my laptop instead of working, then. :)
[13:55] <asac> at least you still have general internet
[13:55] <asac> that helps in getting distraction
[13:55] <dholbert> Yeah, totally
[13:56] <dholbert> though, if I had no internet here but Mozilla stuff was up elsewhere
[13:56] <dholbert> I could at least go home and get stuff done there :)
[13:56] <asac> @time los_angeles
[13:57] <dholbert> ooh, snazzy
[13:57] <asac> hmm ... 1 hour to go until release team notices that something is wrong ;)
[13:57] <dholbert> which release team?
[13:57] <asac> mozilla
[13:57] <dholbert> from nightlies failing, you mean?
[13:58] <dholbert> or from when joduinn wakes up? :)
[13:58] <asac> dholbert: no ... today there was a release from what i heard ;)
[13:58] <dholbert> Ah, righto
[14:11] <gnomefreak> do we not have a meeting date and time for next one?
[14:15] <gnomefreak> foxmarks isnt gonna happen for a while most likely during next dev cycle
[14:16] <asac> gnomefreak: we dont? i thougth we have meetings scheduled for at least the rest of the year
[14:16] <gnomefreak> asac: i was reading the topic
[14:16] <asac> ah
[14:16] <gnomefreak> it says TBA
[14:16] <asac> hmm
[14:17] <asac> yeah. i think we scheduled them already
[14:17] <asac> volans can probably tell more
[14:17] <asac> (when he is back)
[14:18] <gnomefreak> im cc'ing the foxmarks emails to mailing list.
[14:18] <asac> gnomefreak: good
[14:23] <gnomefreak> son of a bitch i did email him already about this.
[14:25] <gnomefreak> asac: any reason we dont accept Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 license for extensions?
[14:26] <gnomefreak> and what is DFSG?
[14:28] <asac> hehe
[14:29] <asac> gnomefreak: not sure
[14:29] <asac> where is that license?
[14:29] <asac> DFSG - Debian Free Software Guidlines --> which define tests to check for freeness of a license
[14:30] <asac> gnomefreak: i think http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/ should be fine
[14:32] <gnomefreak> asac: i dont have a link for it
[14:32] <gnomefreak> asac: ill read it but either way there is no license in foxmarks no matter how much i wish it was there
[14:33] <asac> ok
[14:34] <fta2> yop
[14:34] <asac> i am preparing for lunchy now ;)
[14:36] <asac> urgh
[14:36] <asac> http://news.opensuse.org/2008/09/22/serious-e1000e-driver-issue-in-sle-11-beta-1-and-opensuse-111-beta-1/
[14:36] <asac> seems we have that issue too here :/
[14:36] <asac> "The Intel e1000e driver on openSUSE 11.1 Beta 1 and SUSE Linux Enterprise 11 Beta 1 might have a serious issue with the potential to damage the network card in a way that it cannot be used any longer."
[14:47] <gnomefreak> who thinks this email looks like spam? mx167-86-voicenet.voicenet.com ([207.103.167.86]
[14:47] <gnomefreak> it had subject "how to block websites in firefox"
[15:06] <gnomefreak> were not packaging themes for FF3 are we?
[15:06]  * gnomefreak likes Chomifox
[15:11] <asac> gnomefreak: i dont see an urgent need for packaged themese, but I i dont think there is anything against doing that
[15:12] <gnomefreak> i agree its not urgent but i think we should concider it for intrepid+1 (something that starts with a j)
[15:12] <gnomefreak> http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=24003
[15:18] <gnomefreak> this is interesting http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/07/13/please-insert-25-cents-to-login/
[15:19] <gnomefreak> brb im gonna see what it does
[15:34] <asac> bug 272305
[15:35]  * gnomefreak goes to lay down i slept less than 2 hours last night. 
[15:35] <asac> gnomefreak: get some rest
[15:35] <asac> cu later
[15:36] <gnomefreak> im gonna try ill see you when i get up
[15:45] <asac> [reed]: help :( ... i cannot verify the final advisories and the bugs we have fixed :(
[15:49] <asac> [reed]: bz is up again. thanks a bunch
[15:52] <dholbert> woot, bugzilla is indeed back up
[15:53] <dholbert> though mozilla irc still seems to be down...
[15:55] <asac> dholbert: err ... i am online on mozilla irc
[15:55] <dholbert> asac: rly? xchat thinks it's been retrying & timing out repeatedly for a while
[15:55] <dholbert> maybe it's got the wrong IP cached
[16:05] <dholbert> asac: what IP do you get when you ping irc.mozilla.org ?
[16:05] <dholbert> asac: I get 63.245.212.23 , which I can't traceroute to :(
[16:07] <asac> dholbert: 63.245.212.23 ... so the same
[16:07] <asac> but i am definitly connected and there is "noise" in the channel
[16:07] <dholbert> k, thanks.  Interesting
[17:37] <asac> fta: tbird 3.0 + enigmail ?
[17:37] <fta2> ?
[17:38] <asac> fta: we dont have an engimail for 3.0 yet right?
[17:39] <fta2> i remember gnomefreak had issues with it months ago, i don't know if it's still there
[17:47] <XioNoX> back!
[17:49] <asac> yay
[17:50] <XioNoX> asac, what happened to the mozilla serveurs ?
[17:50] <asac> XioNoX: apparently power outage at colo
[17:50] <asac> but thats just a 3rd hand info ;)
[17:50] <XioNoX> ok
[17:52] <XioNoX> asac, so how it is going for intrepid ?
[17:54] <asac> XioNoX: i lack behind in all areas :)
[17:55] <XioNoX> can you add a little feature in nm-apelet before intrepid is released ? :D
[17:55] <XioNoX> hehe
[17:55] <sebner> asac: now the flash fix made it into the archive, right? :)
[17:57] <asac> XioNoX: which feature do you want?
[17:57] <asac> sebner: which flash fix?
[17:58] <XioNoX> add a refresh button in the wireless network list
[17:59] <sebner> asac: pulseaudio ;)
[17:59] <XioNoX> so what could I do now, witch is not too time consuming ?
[18:09] <asac> sebner: yeah \o/
[18:09] <asac> XioNoX: hmm
[18:10] <asac> XioNoX: you could special case a bunch of plugin names in ubufox depending on the filename
[18:11] <asac> XioNoX: e.g. libgnash*so should show up as Gnash SWF Player
[18:11] <sebner> asac: \o'/
[18:11] <asac> XioNoX: e.g. libswfdec*.so should show up as Swfdec SWF Player
[18:11] <asac> and libflashsupport or npviewer.flash... should show up as Adobe Flash SWF Player
[18:12] <XioNoX> ok
[18:12] <asac> XioNoX: be sure that you start with current main HEAD
[18:13] <asac> XioNoX: that should be quite a simple task i hope ;)
[18:13] <XioNoX> I think too
[18:14] <asac> XioNoX: also, we still want to add a menu entry that will start the plugin finder wizard for the mime-type in the alternative wizard
[18:15] <XioNoX> asac, this one : https://code.launchpad.net/~asac/ubufox/main ?
[18:15] <asac> yeah or simply lp:ubufox
[18:16] <XioNoX> ok
[18:23] <XioNoX> asac, I don't see anything on intrepid when I go to a webpage with flash content
[18:25] <asac> sure that correct ubufox isi installedß
[18:26] <asac> XioNoX: if you dont have flash installed it wont work afaicr
[18:26] <asac> "dont have any flash installed" i mean
[18:29] <XioNoX> asac, 0.6~b1 ?
[18:33] <asac> XioNoX: yeah
[18:33] <asac> i think so
[18:33] <XioNoX> nothing...
[18:33] <asac> XioNoX: any other extension installed?
[18:34] <XioNoX> nop
[18:34] <asac> XioNoX: maybe a special site .. works here on youtbue at leat
[18:35] <XioNoX> t45ol.com
[18:35] <asac> works
[18:35] <XioNoX> not for me
[18:36] <asac> XioNoX: is the "manauge content plugins" menu entry visible in tools menu?
[18:36] <XioNoX> even on youtube
[18:36] <XioNoX> no
[18:36] <asac> XioNoX: then you havent installed it properly
[18:36] <asac> the menu will always appear beacuse its a simple mechanism
[18:36] <asac> XioNoX: rev 115 is the branch revision
[18:37] <XioNoX> i install updates of the week and I check
[19:06] <fabrice_sp_> Hi. Any opinion about Bug #272263, and my proposal to rename binary package to thunderbird-dispmua (apart from correcting dependency from icedove to thunderbird)?
[19:39] <XioNoX> asac, how can I check the branch revision ?
[19:40] <XioNoX> of ubufox, because even with updates I got nothing
[19:40] <XioNoX> I'm upgrading my main/production ubuntu to Intrepid
[19:40] <XioNoX> I home it is stable enough
[19:42] <asac> XioNoX: bzr log |head
[19:45] <XioNoX> asac, I'm using the deb version of ubufox
[20:04] <asac> XioNoX: dont know. the menu should show up. maybe you have still an old ubufox in your profile or something :/
[20:05] <asac> anyone else here has ubufox installed and could verfiy that the TOols -> Manage Content Plugins menu entry exists?
[20:21] <fta> asac, i see you took care about nss, thanks, i totally forgot about it
[20:22] <asac> fta: well. i had this soname thing on my plate
[20:22] <fta> asac, btw, what happened with the symbols files? the diff looks huge
[20:22] <asac> fta: would be nice if you oculd test it
[20:22] <asac> fta: yeah. i bumped all versions to current package versoin
[20:22] <asac> to reflect that the soname changed
[20:22] <fta> hm, i see. ok
[20:22] <asac> fta: also in nss.head there was some cruft for the libs that were copied to /usr/lib
[20:23] <asac> fta: like freebl.so and so on
[20:23] <asac> fta: i should have committed in multiple steps to make those diffs more readable ... i agree
[20:23] <fta> upstream changes a few things in nss yesterday, kind of reorg
[20:23] <fta> changed
[20:23] <asac> fta: in HEAD?
[20:23] <fta> yes
[20:24] <fta> got that from my bonsai feed
[20:24] <asac> nspr is also transitioned on .dev branch
[20:24] <asac> we have to think about nspr.head ... not sure if that was supposed to be still active
[20:25] <asac> i think with both we should be 100% upstream compatible again
[20:25] <asac> i have to resurrect my fedora though to test if our binaries really run on their system
[20:26] <asac> but that can take at least a week
[20:29] <fta> ok
[20:29] <fta> asac, now that ff3.0 is out, can i update & push 3.1 to intrepid ?
[20:29] <fta> i mean, to universe
[20:29] <asac> 3.0 isnt out yet :)
[20:29] <asac> or is it?
[20:30] <fta> it's not ? i saw your changelog closing it !?
[20:30] <asac> yeah
[20:30] <asac> but not yet officially
[20:30] <asac> i am waiting for them to pull the trigger ;)
[20:30] <fta> not pushed yet or waiting in a queue ?
[20:31] <asac> fta: upstream hasnt announed it ... we cannot go ahead until they publish their security advisories
[20:31] <fta> oh, i saw xul, not ff
[20:31] <fta> build6
[20:32] <asac> fta: i uploaded xul ... figuring that that wont cause less confusion
[20:32] <asac> err would
[20:32] <fta> i was just waiting for a closed changelog to re-sync 1.9.1/3.1
[20:32] <asac> fta: i think ffox 3.0.2 is closed
[20:32] <asac> fta: you can merge up
[20:33] <fta> ok
[20:33] <fta> great
[20:33] <asac> i will try to file a bug for 3.1 and subscribe motu-release too ... explaining the idea of 1.9.1
[20:33] <asac> fta: but later ... have to do something for 2 hours now ;)
[20:34] <fta> ok, i still have to resync all my branches then merge, take your time
[20:36] <fta> asac, i will then comment on the bug to explain the changes i made, and why i made them
[21:01] <mdke> asac: I don't suppose you've had any luck looking at ubuntu-docs yet? if you have any questions on how the package is laid out, please give me a shout!
[22:13] <fta_> asac, jcastro: just spent some time reading brainstorm, it seems to me that half of the ideas (if not more) are in fact wish bugs that should go upstream. i don't see what ubuntu could do for those except dragging developers to work into this.. and i'm afraid devs are not that many in our community, and the ones that are *and* that are willing to help have already their hands full.
[22:13] <fta_> Am i wrong?
[22:14] <jcastro> fta_: what I try to do is to encourage people to tag them
[22:14] <jcastro> so like "amarok" or whatever
[22:14] <jcastro> and then point it out to upstreams if they want to follow along
[22:17] <fta_> 13178 ideas, 62636 comments, 1240670 votes seems a lot
[22:40] <asac> jcastro: why was http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/525/ closed?
[22:41] <asac> (i see the comment, but dont understand why it should be closed because of that)
[22:41] <jcastro> should I reopen it?
[22:42] <jcastro> I don't mind one way or the other
[22:44] <asac> jcastro: just want to understand if there is a rule or something
[22:44] <asac> jcastro: i think suggestions about default apps are valid ... even if we disagree now
[22:44] <jcastro> not really it's just one big pile
[22:44] <jcastro> fair enough
[22:51] <asac> @time los_angeles
[23:27] <fta_> should we do something for http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/280/ or stick to upstream choices ?
[23:28] <asac> fta_: that surely has a mozilla bug with excessive coverage
[23:29] <asac> at least i remember that upstream discussed this for 3.0 and planned to revisit it for 3.1
[23:29] <asac> fta_: you showed me this 3D thing once ... what was that?
[23:30] <fta_> which 3D thing ?
[23:30] <fta_> a screenshot with 2 windows ?
[23:30] <asac> it was an animated gif
[23:31] <fta> that's the new -moz-transform css tag
[23:31] <fta> <iframe style="width:500px; height:500px; -moz-transform:translate(100px, 50px) rotate(30deg) skew(20deg);" src="http://google.com"></iframe>
[23:31] <fta> <iframe style="width:500px; height:500px; -moz-transform:translate(50px, 80px) rotate(-50deg) skew(-20deg); -moz-opacity:.70;" src="http://wikipedia.org"></iframe>
[23:33] <asac> yeah thats definitly awesome :)
[23:33] <asac> but too slow
[23:34] <fta> but it's not 3D, just distorted 2D :)
[23:34] <asac> yeah
[23:34] <asac> too bad
[23:35] <fta> there's a 3D patch iirc, vlad has/had a branch
[23:35] <fta> http://hg.mozilla.org/users/vladimir_mozilla.com/canvas3d/
[23:35] <asac> fta: thats what i thought when you showed it to me
[23:35] <fta> last change	Wed, 28 May 2008 14:25:15 -0700
[23:38] <fta> grrr
[23:38] <fta> -+    the right to distribute your modified versions.  $
[23:38] <fta> ++    the right to distribute your modified versions.$
[23:38] <fta> lp269656_know_your_rights.patch
[23:39] <asac> grr?
[23:40] <fta> merging, fixing diverged, got trailing spaces
[23:40] <fta> mozilla usually rejects patches for that ;)
[23:42] <fta> asac, did you have time for the ff3.1 bug?
[23:57] <fta> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/4191/