[00:12] <tonibuntu> i have installed ubuntu 6.06 on my friends machine that crashed it's windows.  i tryed and tried to install hardy, but it would never get past the login screen, where it would go all black and not progress.  so i'm kind of nervous now about upgrading through the update manager, cause i don't know if the newer version has some incompatibility with his dell dimension 2400.  any thoughts?  oh,...
[00:12] <tonibuntu> ...and question; i don't see 'software sources' in his menu, just 'software properties' which doesn't seem to be the same thing.
[00:17] <RandomDestructn> I can't help you with this.  but if your issue is with ubuntu and not xubuntu, I'd try the ubuntu help channel.  Its much busier
[00:25] <tonibuntu> RandomDestructn: ya, too busy sometimes hard to keep up with a conversation ...
[00:25] <RandomDestructn> yeah i know what you mean
[00:26] <RandomDestructn> ive often wished there was a downgrade option
[00:26] <RandomDestructn> so you could just test this stuff
[00:26] <stweston> hello, everyone
[00:27] <stweston> ... can anyone read this?
[00:27] <charlie-tca> stweston: yes
[00:27] <stweston> ok...
[00:27] <charlie-tca> !anyone
[00:28] <stweston> I have a problem installing xubuntu...
[00:28] <stweston> so... IS anyone willing to help?
[00:29] <charlie-tca> What is the problem, stweston
[01:09] <stweston> I need help on finding my cd-rom driver.
[01:10] <stweston> can anyone help me find my cd-rom driver?
[01:10] <cody-somerville> one sec
[01:11] <cody-somerville> stweston, Okay
[01:11] <cody-somerville> You already have it
[01:11] <stweston> where? how?
[01:11] <_i_love> how do i make a folder link to another folder
[01:12] <cody-somerville> _i_love, symlinks
[01:12] <_i_love> thx
[01:12] <stweston> so why is it that I already have the driver?
[01:12] <stweston> er... how do you know?
[01:12] <cody-somerville> stweston, Most linux distributions ship the cdrom driver, naturally, by default
[01:13] <stweston> I see.
[01:13] <stweston> well, I need to find my cdrom driver.
[01:13] <_i_love> cody-somerville, i cant find a man page for that
[01:14] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: This one fails during install as not finding the cdrom driver
[01:15] <_i_love> how do i use symlinks
[01:15] <charlie-tca> I was working with stweston and don't know how to tell it which driver to use.
[01:15] <cody-somerville> What kind of cdrom drive do you have?
[01:15] <stweston> I believe it's csa
[01:15] <cody-somerville> Whats the make and model?
[01:15] <stweston> I don't know that. should I go ask my dad?
[01:16] <stweston> if I do, I'd have to warn you, he may not know either. may have just bought it because he needed it.
[01:16] <stweston> oh!
[01:16] <stweston> the model is CDR-1300A
[01:17] <stweston> sorry. duh.
[01:17] <stweston> stupidity on my part for not looking correctly.
[01:17] <cody-somerville> stweston, do you have more than one cdrom drive?
[01:17] <stweston> no. only one.
[01:18] <stweston> should we enter your chat or whatever it's called?
[01:18] <cody-somerville> enter what?
[01:18] <stweston> your IRC thing.
[01:18] <stweston> just by clicking on your name... I don't know. it's kinda hard to explain when there are so many platforms for IRC.
[01:20] <stweston> your channel... I don't know.
[01:21] <stweston> well, I don't know how to send private messaged things...
[01:21] <stweston> @cody-somerville, test, test...
[01:21] <stweston> nope.
[01:22] <cody-somerville> no
[01:22] <cody-somerville> We talk in this channel so other people can benefit
[01:22] <stweston> how does that work? the little private-type thing.
[01:22] <stweston> aah
[01:22] <stweston> I get it.
[01:22] <cody-somerville> :]
[01:22] <stweston> so, my question, then, is: where do I find the CSA CDR-1300A Driver for linux?
[01:22] <cody-somerville> There is none
[01:23] <stweston> ...
[01:23] <cody-somerville> Linux has a generic cdrom driver
[01:23] <stweston> oh.
[01:23] <cody-somerville> Your issue isn't a driver
[01:23] <stweston> I see.
[01:23] <stweston> it's not?
[01:23] <cody-somerville> No.
[01:23] <stweston> oh, right...
[01:23] <stweston> the disk failed to mount.
[01:23] <stweston> I'm trying to install ubuntu server, later w/ a xubuntu gui
[01:23] <cody-somerville> You'll want to join #ubuntu-installer (and probably during European working hours) and ask there.
[01:23] <stweston> I see.
[01:23] <stweston> why's that?
[01:25] <stweston> ok. I"m there. thanks, anyway, cody-somerville
[01:47] <ron_o> egads, my internet connection is just so incredibly slow.
[01:47] <ron_o> it took me 26 seconds to pink Google 3 times.
[01:47] <ron_o> I don't know what happened.
[01:51] <ron_o> I did mess around with some services, but I reinstated all of them.. I think that's the only thing I could have messed with.
[01:52] <charlie-tca> Did you reboot after reinstating those services? You could restart networking, maybe.
[01:57] <ron_o> I rebooted just now.
[01:57] <ron_o> I tried to restart my modem too.
[01:57] <ron_o> and restart networking manually.
[01:57] <ron_o> I just don't get it.
[01:57] <ron_o> all of a sudden it died.
[01:57] <ron_o> if I turned my modem off for a night would I get a new IP address tomorrow?
[01:58] <ron_o> not died, but really crawled which is worse in many ways.
[01:58] <charlie-tca> You may, it depends on how often the ISP renews them. Mine stays the same for months, sometimes
[01:59] <ron_o> maybe that could be it.
[01:59] <ron_o> I mean, maybe .. probably not.
[02:00] <ron_o> over a minute and this is only half loaded: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1843168,00.html?iid=digg_share
[02:02] <ron_o> plenty of space on me hard drive.. hmmm
[02:15] <ron_o> ahh, I'll put in me live CD and see if it's me connection or not. ;->
[02:15] <ron_o> wow, I love linux. :)
[02:15] <ron_o> brb
[02:34]  * flyback starts to microsleep while ircing due to lack of sleep the night before
[02:47] <ron_o> I'm convinced it's my connection that's the problem.
[02:48] <ron_o> there are still some issues I am having with my internet connections via my web browsers even while using puppy linux.
[02:48] <ron_o> I'll wait it out and see if it's still occuring tomorrow.
[03:02] <tonibuntu> guys i have downloaded the tar.gz of flash, to the archive manager, but i don't know how to complete the install, can someone help plz
[03:03]  * flyback goodnight
[03:03] <tonibuntu> do i have to specify a location in the gui?
[03:03] <tonibuntu> to extract to, i mean
[03:05] <tonibuntu> or should i have saved the flash file to the desktop first?
[03:06] <charlie-tca> Why not use the package in the repository? maybe this will help https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash
[03:08] <tonibuntu> thanks, lemme check it out
[03:08] <charlie-tca> np :)
[04:01] <Ultraputz> ahoy
[04:01] <stweston> hello
[04:02] <stweston> that was fast, wasn't it?
[04:02] <Ultraputz> i was unprepared :-)
[04:02] <stweston> I see.
[04:02] <Ultraputz> strange issue, using luks/cryptsetup -- when i boot, sometimes it goes straight to the password prompt as expected, other times, it hangs. rebooting, going to grub and choosing the oldest revision kernal, it comes up directly.
[04:03] <stweston> I don't really know how to help... sorry. I'm not an expert, just hanging around, I guess.
[04:03] <stweston> sorry
[04:03] <Ultraputz> quite alright
[04:03] <stweston> but... are you more experienced than me?
[04:04] <Ultraputz> you're not getting paid to be here, so you have no specific responsibilities :-)
[04:04] <stweston> because I'm having a problem of my own.
[04:04] <stweston> I know.
[04:04] <Ultraputz> i can try.
[04:04] <stweston> all right... this may be a bit out-of-context, so please forgive me. Nobody at ubuntu-installer can help, because they're not responding.
[04:05] <stweston> So, I'm trying to install Ubuntu Server, see?...
[04:05] <stweston> and I'm having trouble mounting my CD-R drive.
[04:05] <Ultraputz> what do you mean mounting it?
[04:05] <Ultraputz> are you trying to install over anothe rinstallation?
[04:05] <stweston> well, the installer can't mount the drive.
[04:05] <Ultraputz> what kind of machine is it ?
[04:05] <stweston> it can't find it. all the hardware is connected and everything...
[04:06] <stweston> my dad built it, so I can't say a brand, specifically.
[04:06] <Ultraputz> that's actualyl helpful :-)
[04:06] <stweston> it is?
[04:06] <Ultraputz> do you know how the CD ROM is connected?
[04:06] <stweston> oh, yeah. duh...
[04:06] <stweston> it is.
[04:06] <stweston> oh...
[04:06] <stweston> oh! it's an IDE drive.
[04:06] <Ultraputz> yes, if he built it, then it's not likely to be a dell, hp or anythin g else especially retarded.
[04:06] <Ultraputz> ok, that's even better.
[04:06] <stweston> oh?
[04:07] <Ultraputz> it increases the possilibity that it's a generic, well supported component.
[04:07] <stweston> I see.
[04:07] <Ultraputz> if you have something like a weird laptop with a proprietary cd or floppy drive, there's a chance that it isn't supported, or it's difficult to get running.
[04:07] <Ultraputz> i assume you can boot off of the cd rom?
[04:07] <Ultraputz> like with a windows install cd?
[04:07] <stweston> well, it's the server version. yes, I think...
[04:08] <stweston> it's working right now.
[04:08] <Ultraputz> ok
[04:08] <Ultraputz> are you under windows or ubu ?
[04:08] <Ultraputz> macos x
[04:08] <Ultraputz> colloquy rocks. :-)
[04:08] <Ultraputz> i'm trying to establish where w'ere at with the hardware so:
[04:08] <stweston> I'm actually under OS X right now, but this is my other computer. and yes, I'm even using colloquy! waht a cooincidince!
[04:09] <Ultraputz> the machine boots, adn can boot from a cdrom, and the cdrom is available normally under windows?
[04:09] <stweston> yes.
[04:09] <stweston> windows 98
[04:09] <Ultraputz> better yet. older hardware.
[04:09] <stweston> to be precise, SE
[04:09] <stweston> why is that better?
[04:09] <Ultraputz> but you cannot boot off of the ubuntu install?
[04:09] <Ultraputz> the older and more generic the hardware, the better chance t's supported.
[04:10] <Ultraputz> things in the linux world get done because someone that can do them, does.
[04:10] <stweston> well, it boots, it gets to the installer, and then, when trying to mount the CD drive...
[04:10] <stweston> I see.
[04:10] <stweston> it just stops... kind of.
[04:10] <stweston> I'm at the error page right now, and here's the error:...
[04:10] <stweston> "no common CD-ROM drive was detected"...
[04:11] <Ultraputz> eek.
[04:11] <Ultraputz> do you know if the cd rom and an hdd share an ide cable in the machine?
[04:11] <stweston> ... "load CD-ROM drivers from a floppy?" <yes> or <no>
[04:11] <Ultraputz> if possible, something you might do in the mean time to speed things along is download a "livecd" and burn it, and see if you can boot and run from it on the machine
[04:12] <stweston> yes. they do. I also know, that the HDD is on the Master, and the CDR is on the slave...
[04:12] <stweston> I'm installing Ubuntu Server, if you remember.
[04:12] <Ultraputz> i understand
[04:12] <stweston> I'll install the xubuntu GUI later.
[04:12] <stweston> then again... my download only has about 10 minutes left...
[04:12] <Ultraputz> a livecd boots and runs and lives on the cd, doesn't touch the internal hdd unless you ask it to.
[04:13] <stweston> I know. but Server doesn't have a LiveCD. only the Alternate install.
[04:13] <Ultraputz> one thing you could try is rebooting the machine, going into the bios, and see if you can get at the cd rom (ide) controller setup
[04:13] <stweston> I've tried, I think.
[04:13] <Ultraputz> try toggling between auto and enhanced mode. eg, if it's auto, switch it to enhanced, reboot, and see if that works
[04:13] <stweston> how would I do that? I have award.
[04:13] <Ultraputz> i don't know. it depends on the machine
[04:13] <stweston> from 2000. it's 1013, to be exact.
[04:14] <stweston> hm...
[04:14] <Ultraputz> probably f8 right as the thing boots
[04:14] <stweston> no. it's del.
[04:14] <Ultraputz> it should tell you in the corner of the screen , "press x to enter setup/bios" somethign ike that
[04:14] <Ultraputz> del it is
[04:14] <stweston> shall I restart? ctrl+alt+del?
[04:14] <Ultraputz> do note that you want to only adjust the cd rom setting, don't futz with the hdd settings
[04:14] <Ultraputz> save the settings first
[04:14] <Ultraputz> it should have a 'save and exit' option
[04:14] <Ultraputz> and that will reboot the machine
[04:14] <stweston> I know.
[04:14] <stweston> ok.
[04:15] <stweston> I've done that before.
[04:15] <stweston> many times - countless times, even!
[04:15] <stweston> I'll go restart.
[04:15] <Ultraputz> i don't know what you know, so i have to assume you're an idiot :-) don't be offended :-)
[04:15] <stweston> oh. ok
[04:15] <stweston> thanks for clarifying.
[04:15] <stweston> :)
[04:15] <Ultraputz> have you ever worked tech support?
[04:16] <stweston> no.
[04:16] <stweston> I'm just kind of a volunteer, at best.
[04:16] <stweston> I ask questions and get them answered.
[04:16] <stweston> ok... I"m in BIOS.
[04:16] <Ultraputz> if you do, you'll understand that you start by assuming the person on the other end has just dropped off of the moon and never seen a computer before, and go from there :-)
[04:16] <stweston> which option do I want?
[04:16] <stweston> ok... I see.
[04:16] <Ultraputz> which options are available?
[04:17] <stweston> lots. lol
[04:17] <Ultraputz> i can't see your screen, and there are many different bisoes and bios interfaces
[04:17] <Ultraputz> unless you can point a webcam at the screen that can see it, you'll need to tell me what you're seeing
[04:17] <stweston> I have a webcam, though!
[04:17] <Ultraputz> i was being faecetious. start typing. :-)
[04:17] <stweston> oh...
[04:17] <stweston> ok. fine.
[04:17] <stweston> :)
[04:18] <stweston> anyway... I see that there's the HDD Sequence SCSI/IDE first; doubt that's it.
[04:18] <stweston> it has 2 options: IDE and SCSI
[04:18] <Ultraputz> IDE
[04:18] <stweston> it's on IDE right now, probably shouldn't tamper with it.
[04:18] <Ultraputz> does that have any extra options that comes up when you select it?
[04:18] <stweston> HDD SMART capability? and no.
[04:19] <Ultraputz> you said award 1101 ?
[04:19] <stweston> there's enabled and disabled.
[04:19] <stweston> no. it's Award 1013
[04:20] <stweston> and by the way: do you know how to open Torrent downloads, or do they just save the file when done downloading? I'm trying to get a Xubuntu install CD ready.
[04:20] <Ultraputz> no, you need a torrent client to downloa da torrent
[04:20] <stweston> I have that.
[04:20] <Ultraputz> btw, if you're working with older hardware, you may find it wise to grab the Alternate versions
[04:21] <Ultraputz> once the torrent is loaded and and started, it should go pretty fast
[04:21] <stweston> I have a plethora of RAM and Hard-drive space.
[04:21] <Ultraputz> what client are you using?:
[04:21] <stweston> It is loaded.
[04:21] <Ultraputz> if you;re using a mac, i'd recommend transmission.app
[04:21] <stweston> it's almost downloaded, even.
[04:21] <stweston> oh... I have vuze.
[04:21] <stweston> sorry. it's almost done downloading the actual ISO file.
[04:21] <stweston> I think.
[04:21] <Ultraputz> in the preferences is an option to set the download folder, you could look there to see what it's pointing at
[04:22] <Ultraputz> when the torrent finishing downloading, it will check to make sure the file is correct, then it should appear as 'seeding' or 'complete'
[04:22] <stweston> all right.
[04:22] <stweston> and about half a minute now!
[04:22] <stweston> anyway... back to Linux.
[04:23] <Ultraputz> any reason you plan do both ubuntu server and xfce (xubuntu gui) ?
[04:23] <stweston> well, I don't know the command line that well, so I need a GUI. since this is an oldish machine, I need something that it can support.
[04:23] <stweston> that's pretty much why.
[04:24] <Ultraputz> hrm. the gui is not going to make the server features any easier to use for the most part...
[04:24] <Ultraputz> and running an x server does introduce some security issues for a server.
[04:24] <stweston> uh...
[04:24] <Ultraputz> and finally, it's not hard, just tedious, to learn how to do it from the command line
[04:24] <stweston> sorry. what are you saying?
[04:24] <Ultraputz> you certainly type fast enough
[04:24] <stweston> lol. I know.
[04:24] <Ultraputz> ok
[04:24] <Ultraputz> xfce is a window manager and desktop suite
[04:24] <stweston> yes.
[04:24] <Ultraputz> it runs under "x windows"
[04:24] <stweston> I see.
[04:25] <Ultraputz> x windows is a protocol, like telnet and http are protocols
[04:25] <stweston> like some in OS X?
[04:25] <Ultraputz> x servers are network application
[04:25] <Ultraputz> no
[04:25] <stweston> oh.
[04:25] <Ultraputz> x was designed so that programs running on one computer would be accessible, graphically, from a remote system
[04:25] <stweston> aah
[04:25] <Ultraputz> so the windows menus mouse and keybaord are machine a, while the program is running on machine b
[04:25] <stweston> all right.
[04:25] <stweston> I think I got it.
[04:25] <Ultraputz> but the x server itself doesn't do anything for you
[04:25] <Ultraputz> that's what XFCE is
[04:26] <stweston> one second while I go get a CD to burn this ISO file.
[04:26] <Ultraputz> (or metacity, or whatever window manager you'd like)
[04:26] <stweston> uh...
[04:26] <stweston> wait. so, does this mean that the gui won't do anything to the server settings at all? I can't edit anything with the GUI?
[04:26] <Ultraputz> you can edit files and things with the graphical interface
[04:27] <stweston> oh, good.
[04:27] <Ultraputz> using graphical text editors and so on
[04:27] <stweston> all right.
[04:27] <Ultraputz> and there are a few graphical config tools
[04:27] <stweston> so, then Apache, PHP, etc work fine?
[04:27] <Ultraputz> ... what is this server going to be used for /
[04:27] <stweston> web.
[04:27] <Ultraputz> i have apache2, python and mysql running on a desktop ubuntu install
[04:28] <stweston> oh?
[04:28] <stweston> hm...
[04:28] <stweston> 1 second while I go get a CD to burn.
[04:28] <stweston> and literally BURN!!! (no, not really)
[04:28] <Ultraputz> basically, a webserver is a security problem.
[04:28] <Ultraputz> take your time, i'll keep writing
[04:29] <Ultraputz> generally, when you want to run a server for a particular purpose, esp. if you're concerned about security, you run only what you absolutely must have to do so
[04:29] <stweston> hm...
[04:29] <stweston> I see.
[04:29] <Ultraputz> ;if you're just fooling around, it's no big deal, really
[04:29] <stweston> aah
[04:30] <stweston> well, what if I actually need a GUI?
[04:30] <Ultraputz> but if you're thinking of anything that is going to get any real traffic or attention, you'll want to consider what i said above
[04:30] <Ultraputz> what do you need a GUI for?
[04:30] <Ultraputz> what do you imagine you'll be doing that makes a gui imperative?
[04:30] <stweston> to navigate around and understand what I'm doing.
[04:30] <stweston> I'm very graphical-orientied.
[04:30] <Ultraputz> it's seriously not hard to use the command line to do that.
[04:30] <stweston> oh?
[04:30] <Ultraputz> no
[04:31] <stweston> well, then I'll need to learn as I go or something like that...
[04:31] <Ultraputz> and, you have multiple consoles...
[04:31] <stweston> really?
[04:31] <Ultraputz> so you can switch between different text screens, like non-overlapping windows
[04:31] <Ultraputz> you can use the mouse to select and copy text, as well.
[04:31] <stweston> like, alt+f1, f2, etc?
[04:31] <Ultraputz> yes
[04:31] <Ultraputz> that's the console switch
[04:31] <stweston> oh!
[04:31] <stweston> I didn't know I could use the mouse...
[04:31] <stweston> (I'm a real newbie)
[04:32] <Ultraputz> no one is born knowing linux :-)
[04:32] <stweston> ture.
[04:32] <stweston> true*
[04:32] <Ultraputz> once you get your screen up, the only things you need to know in the very beginning are how to change directories to move around through the file system
[04:32] <stweston> well, I'm going to burn this CD, simply for the future, if need be.
[04:32] <Ultraputz> ls lists the files in the current directory
[04:32] <stweston> all right.
[04:32] <Ultraputz> cd <directory> changes into a new directory below
[04:32] <Ultraputz> cd .. changes to the directory above
[04:32] <stweston> like in DOS
[04:32] <Ultraputz> exactly like dos
[04:33] <stweston> wow
[04:33] <Ultraputz> except the directory slashes go forward
[04:33] <stweston> right.
[04:33] <Ultraputz> instead of C:\mssucks\msreallysucks
[04:33] <Ultraputz> it's /home/happyuser/
[04:33] <stweston> I knew that much. the \ was just a gimmick... I get that! LOL
[04:33] <Ultraputz> the most important things to know after that are:
[04:33] <Ultraputz> man
[04:33] <Ultraputz> man is "manual"
[04:33] <stweston> manual?
[04:33] <stweston> oh.
[04:33] <stweston> lol
[04:34] <Ultraputz> so if you type "man ls" it will tell you everything about the "ls" command
[04:34] <stweston> wow
[04:34] <Ultraputz> you will learn therein that "ls -al" will show you all the files in the directory, including hidden ones
[04:34] <stweston> anyway...
[04:34] <stweston> could you please help me with this server isntall?
[04:34] <Ultraputz> you need to be able to boot the image cd from the cd rom
[04:34] <Ultraputz> if you can't get that far, there's not much i can do to help
[04:34] <stweston> uh...
[04:34] <stweston> I'm lost. sorry. where were we?
[04:35] <Ultraputz> i thought we were in the bios last i looked
[04:35] <stweston> oh, yes.
[04:35] <Ultraputz> and you were burning a xubuntu cd ?
[04:35] <stweston> oh, that too.
[04:35] <Ultraputz> i recommended that you look into the xubuntu - alternate
[04:35] <stweston> well, I don't really need that... I just need the server, methinks.
[04:35] <Ultraputz> i certainly hope so!
[04:35] <Ultraputz> but if we're wrong, it's not hard to go from there.
[04:35] <stweston> but I'll burn the xubuntu cd anyway, just for future need.
[04:36] <Ultraputz> there is some kind of install-in-place app...
[04:36] <Ultraputz> it's a program that runs under windows
[04:36] <stweston> hm...
[04:36] <Ultraputz> and installs linux over the network
[04:36] <stweston> oh? does it write over windows, too?
[04:36] <Ultraputz> yeah
[04:36] <stweston> sweet!
[04:36] <Ultraputz> i used it on a friend's compaq, and did a perfect ubuntu desktop install
[04:36] <stweston> 'cuz I don't need windows, much less want it.
[04:37] <Ultraputz> however, i don't know if it works with server.
[04:37] <stweston> aah. nevermind, then.
[04:37] <stweston> I'll just try the regular install. I have the CD and everything.
[04:37] <Ultraputz> don't give up so easy, or you'll never have a working linux server :-)
[04:37] <Ultraputz> need to look...
[04:37] <stweston> I know.
[04:38] <stweston> so, I have the CD in and everything. which BIOS setting do I change, then?
[04:38] <Ultraputz> i don't know...
[04:38] <stweston> hm...
[04:38] <Ultraputz> there should be an option to define how the cdrom interface is configured
[04:38] <Ultraputz> if the thing is from 2000, it's modern enough to have such settings
[04:39] <stweston> well, the BIOS VERSION is from 2000. the motherboard is from ;98
[04:39] <Ultraputz> i have no idea what your bios screen looks like,so i don't know where to tell you tlook, other than anything that talks about more options,more choices,advanced settings, ide settings...
[04:39] <Ultraputz> even so, it should have it.
[04:39] <stweston> oh. ok
[04:39] <stweston> all right...
[04:39] <stweston> maybe it's in CMOS?
[04:40] <stweston> the standard CMOS setup?
[04:40] <Ultraputz> CMOS / BIOS are the same thing as far as setup goes.
[04:40] <Ultraputz> http://wubi-installer.org/ is the installer that works without a CD
[04:40] <stweston> all right...
[04:41] <stweston> well, I only have a 4.3gb HDD
[04:41] <stweston> I can't use WUBI without having a bigger HDD.
[04:41] <stweston> I'm sorry if this is frusturating.
[04:42] <stweston> what about the IDE HDD Auto Detection?
[04:42] <Ultraputz> that's what we're interested in...
[04:42] <stweston> in the main menu?
[04:42] <Ultraputz> you have everything set up to autodetect?
[04:43] <stweston> I don't know... I'll go there and check.
[04:43] <stweston> it's blinking "Primary Master"
[04:43] <stweston> and that's the HDD>
[04:43] <Ultraputz> that should be correct
[04:43] <stweston> the Primary Slave is the CDR
[04:43] <Ultraputz> that should also be correct
[04:43] <Ultraputz> does it have extended settings?
[04:43] <stweston> ok. then nevermind.
[04:43] <Ultraputz> if you select Primary Slave... does it show other options?
[04:44] <stweston> oh... this isn't a menu. sorry.
[04:44] <stweston> it's a config setup thing.
[04:44] <Ultraputz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNetbootin#Hard_Drive_Install_Mode
[04:44] <stweston> at the bottom it says "Note: some OSes like UNIX must use "normal" for installation.
[04:45] <stweston> finally something I can use!
[04:45] <stweston> (I love wikipedia...)
[04:45] <Ultraputz> if you use the arrow keys...
[04:45] <Ultraputz> can you cycle settings for normal/enhanced/auto on primary slave?
[04:46] <stweston> yes. I think.
[04:46] <stweston> well, there's "normal"... let me check.
[04:46] <Ultraputz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=427540
[04:46] <Ultraputz> there's also this
[04:46] <stweston> no... there's "LBA", "Normal" and "large"
[04:46] <Ultraputz> oh mai
[04:46] <Ultraputz> definitely look at that last url
[04:46] <stweston> all right.
[04:46] <Ultraputz> this may get you around the issue entirely.
[04:47] <stweston> well... this is.. interesting.
[04:48] <Ultraputz> if it's a server, it probably won't need the cd-rom
[04:48] <stweston> but I don't really understand it, at a glance.
[04:48] <Ultraputz> so if you can just dodge the bullet
[04:48] <Ultraputz> you'll need to actually read it
[04:48] <stweston> aah!
[04:48] <stweston> oh... lol. right.
[04:48] <stweston> so, it works on Windows 98, then.
[04:48] <stweston> which is my windows OS
[04:49] <Ultraputz> 95 through vista it sez
[04:49] <Ultraputz> so, yes
[04:49] <stweston> all right
[04:49] <stweston> good.
[04:49] <stweston> hm...
[04:49] <Ultraputz> what i would recommend...
[04:49] <Ultraputz> is that you install regular xubuntu...
[04:49] <Ultraputz> get to know the system
[04:49] <Ultraputz> try setting up apache, etc.
[04:49] <stweston> the broadband connection... does that work with Wireless B Wi-Fi?
[04:50] <Ultraputz> and once you get the hang of it, you can reinstall server from scratch and know precisely how to do it
[04:50] <stweston> because that might be slow for me...
[04:50] <Ultraputz> good question
[04:50] <stweston> aah. I see.
[04:50] <Ultraputz> whether or not it works with wifi is a good question
[04:50] <stweston> oh.
[04:50] <Ultraputz> i would assume it does, but i'd read carefully to see that it does.
[04:50] <stweston> all right.
[04:50] <Ultraputz> if you don't have a network cable handy for the thing...
[04:51] <Ultraputz> and the mac is on via wifi
[04:51] <Ultraputz> you could set up connection sharing on the mac, and then use a crossover cable to connect the mac to the ethernet jack on the to-be ubuntu box
[04:51] <stweston> oh, yeah!
[04:51] <stweston> good idea
[04:52] <stweston> I'll go see if I can borrow a couple (or just one) ethernet cable.
[04:52] <Ultraputz> i was, until around february, a macuser myself.
[04:52] <stweston> sweet.
[04:52] <stweston> what changed?
[04:52] <stweston> oh... linux. duh
[04:52] <Ultraputz> then i switched to ubuntu and xubuntu, and i don't miss the mac for anything except Vectorworks and mathematica
[04:52] <stweston> hm...
[04:53] <stweston> well, I like the concept of Ubuntu and all, but I really need my mac. I just bought it this summer...
[04:53] <stweston> but I'll still play around with it.
[04:53] <Ultraputz> i'm not saying dump your mac
[04:53] <Ultraputz> i'm saying learn ubuntu :-)
[04:53] <stweston> and make a bunch of failed attempts at servers... LOL
[04:53] <stweston> ok. sounds good.
[04:54] <Ultraputz> if you're patient and thorough, you'll kick ass at this in a few months
[04:54] <stweston> wow - double in-context!
[04:54] <Ultraputz> and it's a skill that can serve you for years.
[04:54] <stweston> sweet
[04:54] <Ultraputz> you can be good to go on the basics on day 1 with ubuntu server
[04:54] <stweston> well, then..
[04:54] <Ultraputz> but you _will_ have to do some configuring here and there.
[04:54] <stweston> good point.
[04:54] <Ultraputz> and even with the gui, you'll still be using the terminal, which is command line
[04:54] <stweston> aah
[04:55] <stweston> say... I don't suppose you have an e-mail address, do you?
[04:55] <Ultraputz> i've found that people who start learning linux from trom the command line learn it better and faster, and then can do a lot more with the gui when (and if) they get around to using one
[04:55] <stweston> I won't, like, steal anything or whatever... just want to contact for quick access.
[04:55] <stweston> wow
[04:55] <Ultraputz> how about aim/gtalk or something like that?
[04:55] <stweston> hm...
[04:55] <Ultraputz> do you have an ichat/aim id
[04:55] <stweston> I have an AIM address. i also have Gmail.
[04:55] <Ultraputz> ok
[04:56] <stweston> which do you prefer?
[04:56] <Ultraputz> don't post it into this channel
[04:56] <stweston> oh. ok
[04:56] <Ultraputz> it's publicly visible via web
[04:56] <stweston> should I go into a private channel?
[04:56] <stweston> good point.
[04:56] <Ultraputz> which means if you post it, it could be eaten up by a crawler and add to your spam issues.
[04:56] <stweston> aah
[04:56] <stweston> I already kind of am...
[04:56] <Ultraputz> did you see the email address i just sent?
[04:56] <Ultraputz> so don't make it worse :-)
[04:57] <stweston> yes.
[04:57] <stweston> lol
[04:57] <stweston> I don't really understand it, but that's for another place.
[04:57] <Ultraputz> google explores the web by going to a site, looking at the links, following them, and repeating until death
[04:58] <stweston> aah. good point.
[04:58] <Ultraputz> a spambot does th same thing, except rather than indexing the pages for search, it looks for email addresses, aim/instant messenger handles, myspace usernames, etc.
[04:58] <stweston> lol.
[04:59] <Ultraputz> most irc channels do not log to the web, but this one is for xubuntu support, and so it's a good idea to log it so that people searching the web might find solutions to problems worked out here in the channel
[04:59] <stweston> aah. I see.
[05:00] <stweston> wow. look at the time! it's already 11 PM!
[05:00] <stweston> I'll see you on IM'ing.
[06:12] <stweston> hello. is anyone there?
[06:13] <stweston> I'm trying to install a xubuntu system, but it always gives me an "intramfs" prompt.
[06:14] <stweston> I'm at the CD boot screen right now.
[06:14] <stweston> can anyone help?
[06:16] <stweston> hello?
[06:17] <stweston> anyone?
[06:18] <flyback> what do you mean
[06:19] <stweston> well, I'm at the load screen, after I start the CD and it boots and everything, when I select how I want to proceed... such as "try xubuntu", "install", etc.
[06:20] <paul928> and then?
[06:20] <stweston> and then, well...
[06:20] <stweston> I select "try xubuntu"...
[06:20] <stweston> and it loads the kernel... I'll do that right now, by the way.
[06:20] <paul928> and?
[06:20] <stweston> well, now it's loading...
[06:21] <stweston> assuming ACPI-capable machine...
[06:21] <stweston> usplash theme loader.
[06:21] <stweston> I can hear the CD drive working, along with the floppy
[06:21] <stweston> (floppy has nothing in it, btw)
[06:21] <stweston> and now...
[06:21] <paul928> floppy?
[06:22] <stweston> it only says "busybox .... built-in shell... enter "help" for a list of built-in commands..."
[06:22] <stweston> the floppy drive.
[06:22] <paul928> what version of xubuntu is this?
[06:22] <stweston> the line starts with (initramfs)
[06:22] <stweston> 8.04
[06:22] <stweston> latest.
[06:23] <paul928> did you check the cd for errors?
[06:23] <stweston> well, the thing is... the same thing happens after loading the kernel.. it won't check for errors.
[06:24] <stweston> no matter which option, it doesn't wokr.
[06:24] <stweston> work*
[06:24] <stweston> I've even tried some stuff from the help forums for pressing F6, but nothing there works either.
[06:24] <paul928> that's one of the options that shows when you have "install xubuntu" or try xubuntu
[06:24] <stweston> yes. I know.
[06:25] <stweston> I tried that, and it didn't wokr.
[06:25] <stweston> (you know what I mean...)
[06:25] <paul928> and you tried to check disk integrity?
[06:25] <stweston> disk integrity?
[06:25] <stweston> oh. the md5sum?
[06:25] <paul928> the "check cdrom for errors" option
[06:26] <stweston> yes. I checked, but it got the initramfs prompt
[06:26] <stweston> even there.
[06:26] <stweston> I mean, while it was checking, it got the prompt
[06:26] <paul928> I would try a different cd or maybe download it again and burn another
[06:27] <paul928> sounds like a faulty cdromto me
[06:27] <stweston> hm...
[06:27] <stweston> well, I tried this twice, on two different CDs, but neither worked. both the same way.
[06:27] <paul928> and burn it at the slowest speed available
[06:28] <stweston> and I've even tried Ubuntu Server, but that didn't work. I burned at 10x speed (slowest)
[06:28] <stweston> Ubuntu server had a different problem, though
[06:28] <paul928> what problem did it show?
[06:28] <stweston> it wouldn't mount the CDR drive.
[06:28] <stweston> it's an IDE, by the way.
[06:29] <paul928> it wouldn't mount the cd to boot from it?
[06:29] <stweston> no. it booted from it, I even got to selecting the keyboard..
[06:29] <stweston> but it couldn't find the CDR drive after that.
[06:29] <stweston> it always does the same thing.
[06:30] <paul928> what are the specs of the hardware that you are trying to install on?
[06:30] <stweston> I'm running an old PC made by my dad.
[06:30] <paul928> how much RAM?
[06:31] <stweston> enough to power a motorcycle... (bad metaphor)
[06:31] <stweston> it's got 450 meg.
[06:32] <paul928> 450 MB? that's a unusual amount
[06:32] <stweston> and a 4.3Gig HDD, for reference.
[06:32] <stweston> well, it's in various amounts of sticks.
[06:32] <stweston> a 256, for sure, and a few more.
[06:32] <paul928> the HDD is all available?
[06:32] <stweston> I think a 128 and a couple others.
[06:32] <paul928> and did you try a memtest?
[06:32] <stweston> yes. I can boot from Windows 98 just fine and it detects the CDR.
[06:33] <stweston> I didn't try a memtest... I should, I suppose.
[06:33] <paul928> I would just to rule out that problem
[06:33] <stweston> oh... why?
[06:33] <stweston> it's testing
[06:34] <paul928> memory errors can cause all kinds of strange things
[06:34] <stweston> oh?
[06:34] <flyback> yeah let memtest run overnight
[06:34] <flyback> or till it errors
[06:34] <paul928> if you're running memtest now, how much memory does it show present?
[06:35] <stweston> it shows 440M
[06:36] <paul928> that should be more than enough RAM if it is working correctly
[06:36] <stweston> oh. ok...
[06:36] <stweston> well, then what do you propose is the problem?
[06:37] <paul928> since it failed on 2 different installs, I would think that rules out a faulty cdrom
[06:37] <stweston> hm...
[06:37] <paul928> unless you're just very unlucky
[06:37] <stweston> what do you mean by "rules out"?
[06:38] <paul928> I'd wait and see what memtest shows
[06:38] <stweston> ok
[06:38] <stweston> how long does it usually take?
[06:38] <paul928> normally you'd have to be very unlucky to have to cdrom's fail if you burnt them both atr low rates
[06:39] <stweston> hm...
[06:39] <stweston> I guess I'll have to ask my dad about if he has any other CDROM drives.
[06:39] <paul928> memtest speed depends on the amount of installed RAM, the speed of the RAM and the speed of the processor
[06:40] <flyback> what cpu is this
[06:40] <paul928> It can take several minutes to several hours
[06:40]  * flyback has another reason that might rule out the whole box as not usuable
[06:40] <stweston> Okay. I think it's maybe PII or PIII... Ok, because that was my initial thought: that the CDR was bad, and he said no.
[06:40] <paul928> flyback: what?
[06:40] <stweston> the processor is maybe PII or PIII
[06:41] <flyback> bad caps
[06:41] <flyback> any idea what board is in it
[06:41] <stweston> I just updated the BIOS yesterday...
[06:41] <stweston> it's an ASUS motherboard with Award BIOS in it. year 2000
[06:42] <stweston> upgraded from '98
[06:42] <paul928> so probably a pll?
[06:42] <stweston> yes.
[06:42] <stweston> ok, what does that mean?
[06:44] <flyback> check all the capacitors
[06:44] <paul928> don't know about the current versions, but I had Ubuntu 4.04 running on a pll several years ago and with less RAM
[06:44] <flyback> if any of them have crusty shit coming out of the top or bottom
[06:44] <flyback> or the tops aren't flat
[06:44] <flyback> it's over
[06:44] <stweston> uh...
[06:44] <stweston> capacitors?
[06:44] <flyback> YOU STUPID CANUCK
[06:44]  * flyback goes to find a guide
[06:44] <stweston> what?
[06:44] <flyback> http://www.badcaps.net/ident/
[06:45] <flyback> http://cquirke.mvps.org/badcaps.htm
[06:45] <stweston> so, what does this all mean?
[06:46] <paul928> I doubt if it would be a bad capacitor problem if it will bootinto win98
[06:46] <flyback> actually it might
[06:46] <stweston> why?
[06:46] <flyback> win9x allowed a lot of bit erroring before it would crash
[06:46] <stweston> why might it be?
[06:46] <flyback> actyally you couldn't tell from normal win9x operation
[06:47] <stweston> hm...
[06:47] <flyback> http://bushytails.net/~randyg/badcaps-tayeh-3.jpg
[06:47] <stweston> where could I find these caps?
[06:48] <paul928> the capacitors that he's talking about are located on the motherboard
[06:48] <stweston> ok. I'll check.
[06:49] <stweston> nothing like that gunky stuff on it.
[06:49] <flyback> tops flat?
[06:49] <flyback> what brand are the cas
[06:49] <stweston> yes.
[06:49] <stweston> I believe.
[06:49] <stweston> ...
[06:49] <stweston> cas?
[06:49] <stweston> oh. caps.
[06:50] <stweston> I think I'm seeing asus, but I may need better light.
[06:50] <flyback> asus doesn't make caps
[06:50] <stweston> oh...
[06:50] <stweston> it's aztech.
[06:50] <stweston> I think
[06:51] <flyback> it says on the cap
[06:51] <stweston> oh....
[06:51] <stweston> elna? sound right? and the caps ARE flat.
[06:52] <flyback> leon?
[06:52] <stweston> could be
[06:52]  * flyback pukes
[06:52] <stweston> ...?
[06:52] <flyback> *CANUCKED*
[06:52] <stweston> what does "Canuck" mean?
[06:52] <stweston> I'm sorry if I come across as an idiot to you.
[06:53] <flyback> you aren't an idiot :)
[06:53] <paul928> stweston: no you have a very valid problem
[06:53] <stweston> oh. good
[06:53] <flyback> http://www.badcaps.net/forum/showthread.php?t=388
[06:53] <stweston> then, what's my problem
[06:53] <stweston> ?
[06:53] <paul928> how is memtest doing?
[06:54] <stweston> it's holding up well..
[06:54] <paul928> no errors reported so far?
[06:54] <flyback> OH ELNA
[06:54] <flyback> elna is a good brand
[06:54] <stweston> pass 22%, test at 55%...
[06:54] <stweston> oh.
[06:54] <stweston> ok.
[06:54] <stweston> no errors
[06:55] <stweston> caps-happy much, flyback?
[06:55] <flyback> yeah
[06:55] <stweston> ok. LOL
[06:55] <flyback> those are an ok brand if they are elna
[06:55] <stweston> all right. that's what I saw from close up
[06:55] <stweston> why does the brand matter?
[06:56] <flyback> because a bunch of cock suckers started buying the fluid from a bunch of cock sucking chinks who stole it then stole it from each other and got it wrong
[06:56] <flyback> the fluid destabilizes when charged and builds up gas
[06:56] <stweston> oh.
[06:57] <stweston> wait - I thought there were no real fluids in a computer.
[06:57] <flyback> that's why a lot of the newer baords have gone to solid polymer caps
[06:57] <stweston> oh...
[06:57] <flyback> cause a lot of mb makers were destroyed over this
[06:57] <stweston> I see.
[06:57] <stweston> so, this is a real problem, not just a hoax?
[06:57] <stweston> if it were bad?
[06:57] <flyback> yes
[06:57] <stweston> oh.
[06:57] <flyback> I dealt with this many times online with people and at work
[06:57] <stweston> but it's not for me? yet?
[06:58] <stweston> oh...
[06:58] <flyback> plus there are 2 capacitor plagues after this :/
[06:58] <stweston> that really stinks
[06:58] <stweston> ?
[06:58] <flyback> 2nd one was nichicon one of the best cap makers in the world
[06:58] <stweston> plagues?
[06:58] <flyback> had a bad run of HM AND HN series
[06:58] <flyback> got a lot of intel made mb's
[06:58] <flyback> got dell, apple, hp
[06:58] <stweston> wow
[06:58] <flyback> 3rd plague is apprentely bad aluminum that isn't pure enough
[06:59] <flyback> the shit leeches out into the fluid and causes the same issues that the bad fluid did
[06:59] <stweston> wow
[06:59] <stweston> but nowadays they're ok?
[06:59] <flyback> no
[06:59] <stweston> what?
[06:59] <flyback> there are a few crooked cap makers that changed their names to get around thisa
[06:59] <stweston> oh...
[06:59] <flyback> my next board will be all solid caps
[06:59] <stweston> why?
[07:00] <flyback> I gotta get back to work bro
[07:00] <stweston> oh. ok
[07:00] <flyback> feel free to hang out in #hardwarre
[07:00] <stweston> sorry
[07:00] <flyback> feel free to hang out in #hardware
[07:00] <stweston> ok.
[07:00] <stweston> why?
[07:00] <flyback> it's not a problem I just want to finish this remote work before I sleep
[07:00] <flyback> it's 2am
[07:00] <stweston> ok.
[07:00] <stweston> yeah.... 1AM here.
[07:01] <stweston> I'd better get to bed, too... but i want to wait for this memetest.
[07:01] <stweston> wait - it takes how long?
[07:01] <flyback> you should let it run overnight
[07:01] <flyback> or till it errors
[07:01] <flyback> if it errors right off you can stop
[07:01] <paul928> what percentage are you at now?
[07:02] <stweston> I'm at 30% pass, test 89%
[07:02] <flyback> ?
[07:02] <stweston> test #4
[07:02] <paul928> so it's about 1/3 of the way through
[07:02] <stweston> or is that 38 pass?
[07:02] <stweston> I don't know.
[07:02] <stweston> I think it's 30
[07:02] <stweston> wow...
[07:03] <stweston> this is gonna be a loooong night.
[07:03] <paul928> 30% of the total tests
[07:03] <stweston> wow
[07:03] <stweston> oh. 31% now.
[07:03] <stweston> 32, I mean.
[07:04] <stweston> I'm really tired...
[07:04] <paul928> I would guess that 1-2 hours more will finish it
[07:04] <stweston> wow.
[07:04] <stweston> well, I'd better get to bed, then.
[07:05] <stweston> it's way past midnight, and I have school in the morning.
[07:05] <paul928> but if you let it run overnight it will just rerun the tests and give you more accurate results
[07:05] <flyback> na i'd go 8/overnight
[07:05] <flyback> soft errors don't always happen
[07:05] <flyback> else the bios gay test would catch them even
[07:05] <stweston> ...
[07:05] <stweston> hm...
[07:05] <stweston> profanity much, flyback?
[07:06] <stweston> oh, nevermind...
[07:06] <stweston> I'm going to bed whether you guys like it or not.
[07:06] <stweston> LOL
[07:07] <paul928> stweston: just let memtest run overnight and check it in the am
[07:07] <stweston> ok. sounds good.
[07:07] <paul928> and have a good ni9ght
[07:07] <stweston> yeah!
[07:07] <stweston> thanks a lot! I learned that my caps aren't that bad, but they could be in the futrure... right?
[07:08] <flyback> na
[07:08] <stweston> oh.
[07:08] <stweston> ok
[07:08] <flyback> good brands will usually last the life of the board
[07:08] <flyback> but yeah they can
[07:08] <flyback> espiclaly if it's hot all thetime
[07:08] <stweston> ok.
[07:08] <stweston> so, then probably not make it a server. right?
[07:09] <flyback> na not necessarily
[07:09] <stweston> oh.
[07:09] <flyback> anyways gtg
[07:09] <stweston> all right...
[07:09] <stweston> yup. me too.
[07:09] <paul928> if you can get it running, a server should not be a problem
[07:09] <stweston> oh. ok
[07:09] <stweston> thanks, guys!
[07:10] <stweston> I never did get my first question answered, though.
[07:11] <paul928> what?
[07:11] <stweston> I was wondering about initramfs?
[07:11] <stweston> for xubuntu?
[07:11] <paul928> I believe that is initial ram file system
[07:11] <stweston> oh.
[07:11] <stweston> all right.
[07:12] <stweston> I thought it was something like that...
[07:12] <stweston> init - initial. ram - RAM....
[07:12] <stweston> got it.
[07:12] <stweston> so, this memtest was a good idea, then.
[07:12] <paul928> it will at least eliminate that as a problem if it checks out ok
[07:13] <stweston> ok
[07:13] <stweston> sounds good
[07:13] <stweston> I really have to go.
[07:13] <stweston> see ya!
[07:13] <paul928> gnight
[10:35] <R1cochet> !bluetooth
[11:17] <startup> I noticed my xubuntu pulls up everything I had open when I last shutdown upon startup, I could not find the setting to stop this feature. Could anyone point me in the right direction?
[11:33] <danopia> startup, i only konw it's called sessions
[11:55] <knome> startup, when you log out or shut down, check out the box "save session for future logins"
[11:56] <knome> startup, i think it loads the session which was last saved, so you might want to eg. log out with nothing running and then check out the box
[13:18] <itzbipin> hello.
[13:18] <knome> hello itzbipin
[13:19] <itzbipin> we are trying to install ubuntu 7.10 in compaq presario v 3000
[13:21] <itzbipin> but unable to install..the first boot screen is coming
[13:22] <itzbipin> and then after a few minutes it got hung up.
[13:22] <itzbipin> anybody there to help me
[13:24] <knome> i'm sorry, i can't help
[13:24] <itzbipin> ??
[13:24] <knome> but if you can stay around for a while, i'm sure there's somebody
[13:24] <itzbipin> ok..
[13:26] <sh4lindev> itzbipin: i assume its the standard desktop cd ... in what part of the boot process does it hang? in the splash screen?
[13:27] <itzbipin> [119.968000] bcm43xx:Error: Microcode "bcm43xx_micorcode5.fw"not available ot load failed
[13:27] <itzbipin> thus is the last message coming on the screen..
[13:27] <itzbipin> and then it got hung up
[13:28] <sh4lindev> itzbipin: well, i'm not sure if this is the problem, could you paste all the messages to the http://paste.ubuntu.com and send me a link?
[13:28] <itzbipin> some time it gets hang in the splash screen
[13:29] <itzbipin> ok
[13:30] <itzbipin> http://paste.ubuntu.com/49663/
[13:31] <itzbipin> we  tried again to install now it got hung on the splash screen itself..
[13:31] <itzbipin> is the problem with the Hardisk type..
[13:32] <itzbipin> like SATA..
[13:33] <sh4lindev> itzbipin:but you pasted only the last line ...
[13:34] <sh4lindev> itzbipin: in general, random failures might be caused by faulty RAM
[13:34] <itzbipin> yes..i have typed it.because its not possible to copy form a booting system..
[13:34] <itzbipin> when we are trying to install a fresh copy os
[13:35] <itzbipin> the system already have windows in it
[13:35] <sh4lindev> itzbipin: ok, i see ... the CD is and .iso downloaded from internet?
[13:35] <itzbipin> no its the orginal one got by request
[13:36] <itzbipin> we tried with two cds..
[13:36] <itzbipin> but the result is same..
[13:36] <sh4lindev> itzbipin: ok ... try modifying the kernel command line
[13:36] <sh4lindev> you can do that by pressing F6 in the boot menu
[13:37] <itzbipin> ok..let me try now
[13:37] <sh4lindev> try adding paramters noapic nolapic and acpi=no
[13:37] <sh4lindev> sry, acpi=off
[13:37] <itzbipin> yes
[13:37] <itzbipin> ok
[13:38] <sh4lindev> (also, when you press F1 in the boot menu, there is a guide that shoud give you other options to add to the command line
[13:38] <itzbipin> ok
[13:38] <itzbipin> will do
[13:39] <itzbipin> tying appi=off
[13:39] <itzbipin> trying acpi=off
[13:39] <sh4lindev> ok
[13:41] <itzbipin> now splash screen over and a black screen cane and then got hung up...
[13:41] <itzbipin> lets try the other options
[13:44] <sh4lindev> just btw. how old is the PC (don't have time to google it up)
[13:45] <itzbipin> after googling only i came here..
[13:45] <itzbipin> pc is 1 year old
[13:47] <sh4lindev> hm, then you should not need any of the no*
[13:48] <sh4lindev> why do you try 7.10 and not 8.04?
[13:48] <sh4lindev> (the problem that you pasted fist is with your wireless card firmware)
[13:48] <itzbipin> we have only 7.10 cd now
[13:49] <itzbipin> ok
[13:50] <itzbipin> yes...it got worked now
[13:51] <itzbipin> thanks sh4lindev
[13:51] <sh4lindev> really? ok, just what was it?
[13:51] <sh4lindev> (no problem)
[13:51] <itzbipin> we gave boot:acpi = off
[13:52] <sh4lindev> hmm... thats strange, but if that works ... ok then :)
[13:52] <itzbipin> also we switched off wireless
[13:52] <itzbipin> lan also
[13:53] <sh4lindev> you should know that acpi=off might bring other issues (it turns of some of the platform specific hardware, sometimes even USB ports and so on ... )
[13:54] <itzbipin> oh!!
[13:54] <itzbipin> any solution
[13:54] <itzbipin> to resolve it
[13:55] <sh4lindev> but it depends on your hardware, so just try it ...
[13:55] <itzbipin> ok
[16:32] <ron_o> I have long ping times. It must be coming from my modem or my ISP. I pinged google.com some 10 times and it took over 90 seconds.
[16:32] <ron_o> how can I ping my modem?
[16:33] <ron_o> and if I can ping my modem, then it must be my ISP right?
[16:33] <knome> ron_o, depends on your modem, but most probably 192.168.x.1, where x=0 or 1
[16:34] <ron_o> that's standard for modems?
[16:34] <ron_o> let met try.
[17:11] <stweston> Anyone know how I install ethernet ports on Win98?
[17:12] <zoredache> determine what card it is, download the driver and then install....
[17:12] <zoredache> any questions beyond that probably belong in #windows
[17:12] <stweston> ok... but I can't download it. the thing has no internet... ok.
[17:12] <stweston> thanks
[17:17] <bytor4232> 0_0
[17:18] <bytor4232> There is a #windows channel?
[17:18] <bytor4232> Wild
[17:18] <stweston> just click there.
[17:18] <stweston> yes.
[17:18] <bytor4232> Holy cow
[17:18] <stweston> what?
[17:18] <bytor4232> For some odd reason, that suprises me.
[17:19] <stweston> oh. LOL
[17:19] <bytor4232> A windows channel on Freenode.  What wonders my eyes have beheld.
[17:20] <stweston> LOL
[17:20] <ron_o> that's to send them to the other dead end. ;->
[17:20] <stweston> aah
[17:24] <ron_o> I have long ping times. Anyone know where I should start with this one?
[17:24] <ron_o> 97 seconds to ping google.com 10 times.
[17:25] <ron_o> It must be in my modem or my ISP.
[17:25] <stweston> I don't know...
[17:25] <stweston> sorry
[17:26] <ron_o> NNTA
[17:26] <stweston> ?
[17:26] <ron_o> no need to apologize. :)
[17:26] <stweston> oh.
[17:26] <stweston> ok
[19:50] <stweston> neither my xubuntu or Server CD will start!
[19:51] <Odd-rationale> stweston: checked integrity?
[19:51] <stweston> I've tried, but on another drive, it would only end at "Initramfs"
[19:52] <stweston> this CD won't even start.
[19:52] <stweston> erm.. this drive.
[19:55] <stweston> the last one was CSA (Acorn, I think), and this one is Sony
[19:55] <Odd-rationale> maybe it is your drive? or does it not boot on any drive?
[19:56] <stweston> it boots, but only on the CSA one...
[19:56] <stweston> but it always gets initramfs on the csa
[19:56] <stweston> or an "unable to mount CD-R drive" during the Server install.
[19:56] <stweston> this one won't even boot either.
[19:58] <Odd-rationale> stweston: did you check the md5sums of the iso?
[19:58] <stweston> I don't really know how...
[19:58] <stweston> on a mac, I mean
[19:59] <TheSheep> !md5
[19:59] <stweston> besides, I tried 2 CDs, for both installs.
[20:00] <stweston> and I DL'd the xubuntu one twice.
[20:02] <stweston> I think Ima try a third drive later...
[20:03] <stweston> thanks, anyway.
[20:08] <Deanr> Can anyone help me with my Ubuntu's slow WAN issue
[20:10] <Deanr> ??\
[21:04] <stweston> ny suggestions on how to install xubuntu by using alternate boot options commands? I keep getting initramfs+busybox prompts
[21:08] <stweston> anyone?
[21:23] <stweston> Any suggestions on how to install xubuntu by using alternate boot options commands? I keep getting initramfs+busybox prompts
[21:23] <stweston> no matter what.
[21:26] <favro> stweston: you can try   acpi=force
[21:26] <stweston> all right...
[21:26] <stweston> trying now...
[21:27] <stweston> it's loading
[21:27] <stweston> the kernel, I mean.
[21:27] <favro> so that was the one to use then?
[21:27] <stweston> I don't know. I used the acpi=force, just like you said.
[21:28] <stweston> it's trying to boot...
[21:28] <stweston> and...
[21:28] <stweston> it got the same prompt
[21:28] <stweston> I restarted.
[21:28] <stweston> know any others?
[21:28] <favro> what sort of comp is it? - and are you using the live cd or the alternate cd?
[21:29] <stweston> live CD, but it's a custom-built computer by my dad.
[21:29] <stweston> IDE drives
[21:29] <stweston> I also wonder... I'll find the forum post with the command...
[21:30] <stweston> does "all_generic_ide floppy=off irqpoll" do anything?
[21:30] <stweston> I know it's helped lots, but I've tried it, and nothing.
[21:30] <favro> I can't remember the key offhand but there is one you can press to get more info shown during the boot - it should give a clue to the prob - might be F2 or similar
[21:32] <stweston> hm...
[21:32] <stweston> sorry for the pause.
[21:32] <stweston> F2 gives languages.
[21:32] <stweston> or is it alt+F2?
[21:33] <stweston> modes!!!
[21:33] <stweston> right?
[21:33] <favro> it might be F4 - I never need it here
[21:33] <stweston> hm...
[21:33] <stweston> I can't load a shell.
[21:33] <stweston> maybe it's 'cuz I don't have the kernel open yet...
[21:34] <stweston> I've selected acpi=off, noacpi, nolacpi... does that help?
[21:34] <stweston> I'm not going to try it yet.
[21:35] <stweston> and maybe... edd=on?
[21:35] <stweston> okay, then.... I'm'a try it
[21:36] <favro> I've never seen that edd= one - and you don't put commas between them
[21:36] <stweston> I didn't.
[21:36] <favro> k
[21:36] <stweston> they were selections in the F6 menu
[21:36] <stweston> I was at the first boot screen.
[21:37] <stweston> nope.
[21:37] <stweston> didn't work.
[21:37] <stweston> re-start!
[21:37] <stweston> anyway...
[21:37] <favro> you might need to try the alternate cd
[21:37] <favro> !alternate
[21:37] <stweston> shoot...
[21:37] <stweston> I have a high-functioning comp. for this, though...
[21:38] <stweston> it's got 450 meg of ram.
[21:39] <stweston> and other features I can't list off-hand
[21:39] <favro> 450mb should be plenty
[21:39] <stweston> didn't work.
[21:39] <stweston> I don't think the CD is corrupted, either.
[21:39] <tanlaan> Hello everyone
[21:39] <stweston> I tried with 2 downloads, 2 CDs, and an Server CD
[21:39] <stweston> hi
[21:40] <favro> it is always good practise to do the md5 check
[21:40] <stweston> know any commands to use in alternate boot functions for installing xubuntu?
[21:40] <stweston> oh... good point...
[21:40] <stweston> I've heard that countless times (about the md5)
[21:41] <favro> it's said for a reason...
[21:41] <stweston> aah
[21:41] <stweston> LOL
[21:41] <favro> hehe
[21:41] <stweston> well, I've already burned tons of disks with the stuff, but it doesn't work (mainly because I can't get the burn right)...
[21:41] <stweston> but I'm thinking I shouldn't use too many more disks.
[21:42] <stweston> I'll check the ISOs, though.
[21:42] <tanlaan> I have a Compaq Presario F572us running Xubuntu 8.04 and I'm running much better than 7.10; but for some reason this laptop decides to have a few quirks. I'm guessing it is hardware issues, but the few things include no TTY screens, they show up as blank and black which ties into the other one, which is when I close my laptop's screen it will just stay black and I have to use ctrl-alt-F8 then ctrl-alt-F7 back to the GUI to make it show up
[21:42] <favro> it might be the drive is on it's last legs
[21:42] <stweston> what???
[21:42] <favro> cd burners don't last forever
[21:42] <stweston> well, this is a new MacBook...
[21:42] <stweston> bought it this summer.
[21:43]  * bytor4232 has a wierd problem
[21:43] <favro> I'd do the md5 check on the burnt cd before trying anything else
[21:43] <stweston> ok...
[21:43] <stweston> how?
[21:43] <bytor4232> My laptop overheats when it comes back from suspension and hibernation.
[21:43] <stweston> just insert it and... what?
[21:44] <favro> !md5 | stweston
[21:44] <stweston> ok. I see.
[21:44] <favro> stweston: there is an option at the start/install prompt
[21:44] <stweston> so, just do that... where? I can't enter commands.
[21:44] <stweston> ok...
[21:44] <stweston> you mean "check CD for defects"?
[21:44] <favro> yep
[21:45] <stweston> I see...
[21:45] <stweston> that never works right...
[21:45] <stweston> after loading the linux kernel, I always get the initramfs+busybox problems.
[21:45] <favro> does it pass the check?
[21:45] <stweston> er... prompts.
[21:45] <stweston> no. doesn't even start.
[21:46] <stweston> should I try it on my MacBook?
[21:46] <stweston> instead of this machine?
[21:46] <favro> I'd try burning with a diff cd drive
[21:46] <stweston> hm...
[21:46] <stweston> I mean, try the md5?
[21:46] <favro> that cd check is important
[21:46] <stweston> the check.
[21:46] <stweston> yeah.
[21:46] <stweston> I'd better try...
[21:47] <stweston> I'll eject the CD and try it on here, okay?
[21:47] <favro> sure
[21:50] <stweston> shoot... I don't know how to check the CD on my mac...
[21:51] <stweston> I'm trying a virtual machine, but it doesn't give a BIOS prompt... LOL
[21:51] <tanlaan> bytor4232: Hey, so how exactly is it reacting when coming back from hibernation/suspension?
[21:52] <stweston> how do I check the sum without the boot-up thing?
[21:52] <stweston> just go into the CD directories?
[21:52] <tanlaan> stweston: there are a bunch of md5 checkers available
[21:52] <favro> stweston: for a virtual machine you can use the iso without burning a cd
[21:53] <stweston> hm...
[21:54] <DCPom> what program is generally used to play audio CDs? Totem opens but won't play
[21:58] <stweston> so, I have the md5 number, but I don't know how to compare it to what I'm seeing on a web page... it's for 8.04, which I'm using...
[21:59] <stweston> oh!
[21:59] <stweston> wrong file... LOL
[22:00] <stweston> the xubuntu one is right...
[22:01] <stweston> but what about my Server ed.? I wonder...
[22:03] <stweston> ok... I can't find the server one, so I'm just not going to try that...
[22:03] <stweston> I still think it's a problem with the boot operations.
[22:04] <stweston> sorry. boot options.
[22:05] <stweston> hello?
[22:06] <stweston> I need help with the boot options for installing Xubuntu
[22:09] <stweston> hello?
[22:12] <stweston> anyone?
[22:41] <stweston> help!
[22:41] <stweston> I can't get xubuntu to install!
[22:42] <stweston> I keep getting initramfs prompts!
[22:47] <stweston> anyone?
[22:47] <stweston> oh, nevermind...
[23:20] <savmuni> my ubuntu crashes when i try playing games (e.g. armagetron) or when the screensaver activates, i have to restart the computer, im using dell vostro 1510. Any ideas on what could be the problem?
[23:24] <savmuni> some cooperation would be appreciated!
[23:29] <favro> it might be that your vid card driver can't support those
[23:34] <savmuni> when i start playing the game its fine
[23:35] <savmuni> it works fine on windows
[23:35] <savmuni> its only after say 5 minutes of working that it crashes
[23:40] <stweston> I need help
[23:41] <stweston> I need to know some boot operations that could help me install this xubuntu hardy CD
[23:41] <stweston> but I'll be back soon, so you can ponder this question...
[23:46] <savmuni> stweston: boot from CD, by changing the boot sequence in BIOS
[23:52] <stweston> oh. sorry
[23:52] <stweston> I can boot from it... I just keep getting initramfs.
[23:53] <stweston> but I need to go. I'll get back to this later...
[23:53] <stweston> sorry.
[23:55] <genius_> how to add new keyboard layout and how to set layout switch key?