=== echidnaman is now known as JontheEchidna [01:07] Success: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5810428&postcount=32 [01:09] omg, somebody noticed quickaccess: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5819928&postcount=44 [01:09] ^_^ [01:10] heh, seems I'm not alone in the "lines flicker across the screen" thing, which still plauges me. but I've gotten used to it [01:13] it's subliminal messaging telling you to eat your cat and everything will be ok [01:14] i've seen that kind of flickering when plasma workspace is starting up, but not otherwise [01:15] this flickering happens with any keyboard input [01:15] looks like texture buffer corruption actually [01:15] hm, different problem i guess [01:16] like, even if you have the numpad locked and hammer on the numbers, you'll get flicer [01:16] *flicker [01:16] that's just plain weird [01:16] yeah, started after an xorg upgrade to 1.5ish [01:19] have you noticed any overlapping input driver instances in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? a few months ago when xorg moved over to evdev it was loading my touchpad driver twice heh [01:21] hmm, I don't have a touchpad [01:25] JontheEchidna: right, but touchpad, keyboard, and all kinds of input devices are now loaded by evdev [01:26] the "universal" input device driver [01:26] with no real documentation yet ;) [01:27] see anything fishy here then? http://paste.ubuntu.com/49892/ [01:30] nah looks normal... evdev is loading your mouse and keyboard (and points them at /dev/input/eventX), don't see any duplicate drivers [02:06] * goatsocks nukes PyKDE from orbit [02:17] * NCommander watches Kubuntu die [02:17] goatsocks, what's wrong? [02:19] NCommander: KProgressDialog is dirty [02:22] probably why i can't find a single successful use of it in any app (though Eric4 seems to have tried at lest, but ended up stubbing and commenting out the code using it heh) [02:28] hehe [08:08] morning all [08:13] Arby: Morning [08:32] hi [09:16] $ amarok [09:16] (7516)/: Communication problem with "amarok" , it probably crashed. [09:16] Error message was: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" " [09:17] i cant start "the new" amarok in kubuntu intrepid === fabo_ is now known as fabo === davmor2 is now known as davmor2-Away [12:01] is the updates need a reeboot supposed to keep popping up every so often? its quite annoying [12:03] seaLne: it checks for /var/run/reboot-required [12:04] which will disappear after a reboot, /var/run being tmpfs [12:05] does it really need to keep telling you? seems very ms windows :( [12:06] during the dist-upgrade i got told atleast 5 times and now it is reminding me every so often [12:09] seaLne: you mean the ballon keeps popping up? [12:09] yeah [12:09] it should tell you once then sit quietly in the systray [12:10] ok, shouldn't be hard to fix I guess [12:10] near systray and also top of monitor a few times [12:11] it should check if an update is running before asking you to reboot too [12:11] (hi) [12:13] it does also check for /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp [12:30] anyone got an amd64 on intrepid? [12:35] apachelogger: progress promised https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/273489 [12:35] Ubuntu bug 273489 in rosetta "Remaining Intrepid template approvals" [Critical,In progress] === davmor2-Away is now known as davmor2 [13:09] hi rgreening, kde4libs patch works great thanks [13:10] Riddell: np. It was interesting to sort out. :) [13:10] Riddell: got another? [13:10] :P [13:11] Riddell: found a bug about the balloon popping up too much. bug 271419 [13:11] Launchpad bug 271419 in update-notifier-kde "Kubuntu Restart Baloons out of Place" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271419 [13:11] Riddell: I actually had to dust off my C++ book for the const/pointer prob I was having. [13:16] Any chance pulse audio will become integrated into Kubuntu and possibly made default? I assume KDE4 needs a phonon backend to support this then [13:17] I hope it never does [13:18] pulse isn't bad [13:18] at least in my experience [13:19] I've seen it cause nothing but headaches [13:19] if improper setup.. I agree. But same for ALSA, OSS, etc... [13:19] maybe it's gotten better [13:19] well, then ubuntu must have improperly set it up [13:20] prob [13:20] :) [13:20] I've never worked out what the advantage of pulseaudio is over plain alsa [13:20] for better sound mixing, pulse can provide both hardware and software channels (more than what ALSA does today.. at least better than it does) [13:22] is that an advantage to typical desktop users? [13:22] good morning :) [13:22] for example, KDE startup sounds do not play with ALSA (during first login). With pulse I never had that problem. ALSA takes over total control of the audio. Pulse shares [13:23] advantage is yes as pulse can share sounds between apps much better [13:23] with ALSA, you have to create a mixer to achieve similar [13:24] Riddell: oh, also bug 271834 [13:24] Launchpad bug 271834 in update-notifier-kde "update-notifier-kde tries to launch adept, but the package does not depend on adept" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271834 [13:25] JontheEchidna: thanks [13:26] yw [13:27] * Riddell suspects JontheEchidna of having memorised every beastie number [13:27] <.< [13:33] Riddell: any more integration patches that have fallen though the cracks? Or do you have a list somewhere of such things? [13:33] rgreening: how's your python? [13:34] rgreening: do you have an amd64? [13:34] I bought a book not long ago... haha... but I can work things out if it's fixing/patching [13:34] nope, my system is 32 bit [13:34] Riddell: there's a bug with kubuntu.xmodmap and latest X.org [13:34] at least on my computer, the Insert key is now mapped to 118 [13:35] and kubuntu.xmodmap use that for XF86Music [13:35] Riddell: is gdebi going to be in Intrepid? [13:35] JontheEchidna: yes, it is [13:35] ok, just wondering because it's not a depend/recommend of kubuntu-desktop [13:36] rgreening: you could look into seaLne's issue in update-notifier-kde that the bubble keeps popping up [13:36] Riddell: according to google, some people use 129 or 237 for XF86Music, but we could just remove it since nothing is triggered by pressing it [13:36] that a KDE3 or 4? [13:36] JontheEchidna: yes, via install-package, although it should be explicity [13:36] rgreening: kde 4 [13:36] 3 right? [13:36] oh [13:36] hmm.. any reason my system wouldn't have that package [13:36] by default [13:37] and, yes, I'll look into it. weird it's not installed [13:37] smarter: hmm, curious [13:38] smarter: I don't have a music key here so I can't confirm what that is, but insert is 118 [13:38] smarter: want to patch that? [13:38] Riddell: okay [13:38] it's in kds? [13:38] smarter: yes, you should be able to commit directly [13:38] cool [13:38] Riddell: which package should pull in update-notifier-kde? [13:39] rgreening: kubuntu-desktop [13:39] hmm.. I did a reinstall of it, and it never pulled it in [13:39] JontheEchidna: I've added gdebi-kde back to the seed [13:39] let me remove it and install. [13:39] kool [13:41] Riddell: remove/install pulls it corect. Ok, that mystery solved. Onto the bug... [13:48] Riddell: this doesn't look right... partial install packaged in the tar/diff maybe? http://paste.ubuntu.com/50101/ [13:49] rgreening: mm, seems to be [13:49] you can also get it out of bzr bzr+ssh://jr@bazaar.launchpad.net/~jr/adept/update-notifier-kde/ [13:49] kk. I'll fix and submit with my bug fix for popup]] [13:50] ty [14:15] Riddell: btw, how does one do an upgrade to development series with update-notifier-kde? [14:25] apachelogger: good question [14:44] doods, how's this? http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kickoff.png [14:44] http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kickoff2.png [14:44] seele: ^^ [14:46] nice [14:48] doods? lol [14:48] Riddell: ah nice.. [14:48] doods [14:48] lol === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [14:49] wonder hwne the last time doods was used in this channnel [14:49] hey doods i just haxxored some qucik a$$ features [14:54] Riddell: hmm.. can the "reboot in n seconds" message be moved? [14:54] now that the confirmation message is cleaned up and only has relevant info, it needs to be redesigned to make more sense :-/ [14:55] Reboot/Restart should be the same word [14:55] and Restart Computer should probably be Restart Computer Now (or something like that) as an option away from the Restart timeout.. [14:57] seele: moved where? [14:57] would probably be fiddly [14:58] Riddell: hum.. if it's going to be a lot of work then nevermind. this is already a big improvement to what it was [14:59] although changing the word Reboot to Restart would be nice [14:59] yes that's obvious once you point it out [14:59] seele: where would you want it moved to? [15:00] Riddell: above or below the restart computer button? or in that box [15:01] it would create context. [Do nothing] Restart computer in n sections \n [Do something] Restart computer (now?) \n Cancel [15:01] although if it is in the process, should it say "restarting"? *shrugs* [15:03] * seele pats Riddell [15:03] sorry, but you did ask for my opinion :) [15:04] we'll just see how my time goes this afternoon :) [15:18] d00ds. nuff usability, this is what we want http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kwin.png [15:20] Riddell: hehe, very nice. [15:20] so what's up with all the d00d talk today? [15:20] someone seems to be in a good mode [15:20] mood [15:20] I have a cube on my desktop, why wouldn't I be [15:23] i guess you would have no reason not to be ahppy [15:24] that cube does look cool [15:25] ....if it had anti-aliasing :P [15:26] nixternal: I am still no core dev [15:26] * apachelogger thinks nixternal should do something about that [15:26] * apachelogger also thinks Nightrose needs a hug [15:26] what? [15:27] I do indeed [15:27] * Nightrose hugs apachelogger [15:27] apachelogger: gotta wait for the others to give their blessing, and then you have to stand in front of the tech board for one hammering of an interview [15:27] * apachelogger rehugs Nightrose [15:28] hm [15:28] nixternal: you guys are way too slow [15:29] * apachelogger forgot what he was going to do -.- [15:33] apachelogger: if in doubt hug someone [15:33] ;-) [15:35] Riddell: do you think we should enable the Dim Screen for Administrator Mode effect by default? [15:35] Ubuntu has it, and it's been a wishlist item since forever [15:35] that would be nice [15:36] jtechidna: what does that do? [15:36] or where is it? [15:37] jtechidna: for the kdesu dialog or any admin-enabled app? [15:37] oh, that works [15:37] yes, we should have that [15:37] seele: for kdesu dialogue [15:37] seele: I think any password prompt [15:38] Riddell: does it work the same way as the gnome one? the gnome dialog is always on top where kdesu can lose focus? [15:38] the purpose of the dimming is to make the user aware that a password is necessary, but if the dialog can be unfocused then you can't have the blur which defeats the purpose [15:38] seele: I think any password prompt [15:39] so kdesu would have to be changed so it is always on top until it is cancelled or a password is entered [15:39] jtechidna: even app passwords? [15:39] just like switching to a different desktop in visa with UAC [15:39] probably just kdesu/kdesudo dialogs [15:39] effects aren't working right now so I can't check [15:40] jtechidna: sure, but what happens if kdesu doesn't have focus because another app steals it (happens a lot during login) [15:41] dim goes bye-bye [15:42] that's not how the gnome one works.. [15:42] ah he disappeared [15:46] ugh [15:46] losing kwin is fun [15:49] we could add a rule to kwin to force kdesudo to be always on top [15:50] it wouldn't be too hard to implement in kdesudo [15:50] pinentry-qt4 has it [15:50] even if it does lose focus, all typing input goes to the password field [15:50] like gksu, I think [15:51] ok [15:51] yeah, the gnome one is always on top and doesnt allow you to focus on any other windows until it is dismissed [15:52] not locking focus defeats the purpose of the dim effect [15:53] the dim is supposed to alert the user that something special happened and needs their immediate attention [15:53] if it doesnt happen because the password dialog isn't in focus then the message doesnt get across and it turns in to a useless effect instead of providing useful information [15:54] seele: how's this? http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/ksmserver.png [15:57] maybe we can convince Tonio_ to implement it today :) [15:58] hum.. can we get the restarting text on the gradient background? [15:58] maybe we should just leave it how it was.. think upstream will want the fix? [15:59] then the oxygen people can think of a better way of integrating the inforamtion in context [15:59] dunno, I'm not sure who upstream is [15:59] isn't it a plasma widget? [15:59] no, it's part of ksmserver [16:00] but could well be plasma people that have worked on it [16:00] the theming is included in the plasma theme [16:01] I can do this http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/ksmserver2.png [16:02] but it's ugly, I don't know why that image is placed like that [16:02] it's unreadable on the image like that [16:04] Riddell: what happened to the "KDE 4.1" label that is usually above the moon? [16:04] oh, that changed, nevermind [16:04] interesting [16:08] Riddell: implement what ? [16:09] Riddell: talking about work..... I need your help on kdesudo [16:09] Riddell: I can't debug that mess myself, that's too low level [16:10] Tonio_: kdesudo dialogue not losing focus [16:10] seele: looks like it's a bunch of people but uwolfer did the initial stuff http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/ksmserver/shutdowndlg.cpp?view=log [16:10] Tonio_: what's wrong with it? [16:16] Tonio_: kdesu seems to remember your password now, maybe we should just drop kdesudo [16:27] Riddell: I really think the focus stealing prevention needs to be set in kwin [16:28] Riddell: randomly fails to start the process with certain apps [16:28] Riddell: when the same command in the shell works [16:28] Riddell: qprocess issue, lookslike [16:28] Riddell: hum, does kdesu deal with specific sudoers files (aka NOPASSWD options and so on ?) [16:29] Riddell: that's very important when using the desktop in a corp environment [16:29] Riddell: I can test if you want [16:29] Riddell: I'd be happy to drop it eventually, but I need to be sure it does work as sudo does [16:29] can i upgrade from alpha-6 into newest daily-live release with the cd? [16:30] Riddell: I'll show you the kprocess/qprocess issue toonight [16:30] Riddell: I'm going somewhere with an internet connection, so I'll be online [16:31] Tonio_: have you seen bug 272427 in that context? [16:31] Launchpad bug 272427 in kdesudo "Blocking SIGCHLD breaks applications using QProcess" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272427 [16:31] vlanz: interesting, could be my issue [16:31] vlanz: gdb show that the qprocess is "polling" for something that doesn't come out [16:32] Tonio_: yes, it's waiting for SIGCHLD [16:32] apachelogger: it is in kwin (works for gksudo) [16:32] Tonio_: but kdesudo blocked that for itself and its child processes [16:32] vlanz: also, the same kdesudo codebase was working before, that's why I expect a qt bug [16:32] * vlanz has to manualle unblock it in partition manager. [16:32] vlanz: the strange thing is that for some apps it works [16:32] vlanz: kdesudo konqueror works [16:32] vlanz: kdesudo partitionmanager doesn't [16:33] vlanz: both are kde apps [16:33] Riddell: http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4646/logoutconfirmationww5.png [16:33] Tonio_: maybe related to if you're using QProcess:waitForFinished or not. [16:33] Riddell: then kdesudo isn't using the correct window class thingy [16:33] Riddell: that's what i would like to see but i dont know if that is possible/easy [16:33] * apachelogger still thinks we should get kdesu work properly with sudo [16:33] Riddell: I'll look at that focus issue with kdesudo toonight [16:34] vlanz: hum in fact I'm starting a sudo process in a k/qprocess [16:34] vlanz: maybe that just depends on the app started next to that [16:35] apachelogger: I agree, just that it is not easy since there is no sudo lib.... [16:35] seele: depending on the actual code it shouldn't be that diffcult ... kickoff "just" needs to tell ksmserver which button to show [16:35] apachelogger: what needs to work with kdesu/sudo : [16:35] -> remember password [16:35] apachelogger: Riddell's got that part down, it's the presentation i'm trying to imporve [16:35] -> don't prompt for password if sudo doesn't need a password (NOPASSWD options....) [16:35] apachelogger: if that can be made to work, then we don't need kdesudo [16:36] Tonio_: what is preventing us form merging the parts of kdesudo which take care of this into kdesu? [16:36] seeing that kdesu switches between su and sudo at compile time it is probably possible to even exchange large code parts using cmake magic [16:37] apachelogger: the codebase is entirelly different [16:37] apachelogger: but that should be done on the long term [16:38] why is it different? [16:38] vlanz: I'll look at that toonight [16:38] apachelogger: kdesud [16:38] Tonio_: as i said, partition manager works around it now (from alpha2 on) [16:38] vlanz: hu ? [16:38] Tonio_: but as long as that example code in the bug report doesn't work with kdesudo, there's a problem. [16:38] kdesudo partitionmanager does work ? [16:38] Tonio_: well, if kdesu is compiled with sudo support it could just ignore kdesud and use sudo instead, couldn't it? [16:38] Tonio_: in alpha2 it does, yes. [16:39] Tonio_: (which is unreleased) [16:39] ahhh next partitionmanager version, right [16:39] apachelogger: yes, we can merge the two processes [16:39] apachelogger: btw, that wouldn't fix my current problem :) [16:39] apachelogger: but we should consider merging kdesudo in kdesu for intrepid +1 eventually [16:40] apachelogger: I'd be happy with that ;) [16:40] ok, let's target it for jaunty [16:40] I can't login to wiki through konqueror [16:40] is this a bug? [16:40] * apachelogger wouldn't want such changes at this time of intrepid development anyway ;-) [16:40] vlanz: I'll let you know if I can fix that toonight [16:40] rametux: yes [16:41] rametux: can't do anything about it [16:41] the canonical sysadmins know about it [16:41] but lovely moinmoin openid integration seems to be a bit off [16:41] Tonio_: great. i'd love to remove the workaround. [16:41] apachelogger: then i should install firefox instead [16:41] opera and arora are broken as well [16:41] vlanz: I know :) [16:41] hmm [16:41] rametux: or not edit the wiki ;-) [16:41] vlanz: so you are partitionmanager upstream ? [16:41] rametux: and poke the sysadmins [16:41] haha [16:41] Tonio_: i am [16:41] thx anyway [16:41] rametux: you gotta stand up for your rights :) [16:41] vlanz: stupid question, is a kcm module in the work ? [16:41] * apachelogger hands vlanz a cookie [16:42] vlanz: that kind of apps should fit in systemsettings imho :) [16:42] Tonio_: not yet... and maybe a kpart should come first? [16:42] https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive/+index?field.name_filter=parti&field.status_filter=published [16:42] ;-) [16:42] kpart ? [16:42] Tonio_: at the moment, i'm trying to make it stable and get the features complete. [16:42] vlanz: sure that :) [16:42] Tonio_: it's not a kpart. [16:42] apachelogger: thx ;-) [16:43] vlanz: should it be ? :) I can't see any reason to embed such an app in another one... [16:43] vlanz: hum or eventually for the kubuntu installer :) [16:43] Tonio_: some archlinux (sp?) guy wants that ;-) [16:43] Tonio_: for their installer [16:43] vlanz: makes sense :) [16:43] apachelogger: very nice. [16:43] vlanz: I'll wait then ;) [16:49] * JontheEchidna reboots [17:19] seele: best I can do http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/ksmserver3.png [17:22] Riddell: the entire gradient is the button area? === Czessi__ is now known as Czessi [17:28] yes [17:29] so you can click 50-100 pixels away from the label/icon and have it activate the action? [17:30] hmm.. with one item the gradient is on by default and so there is no mouse-over effect [17:31] right [17:31] that's no good because now it doesnt look clickable :( [17:31] there's no feedback to tell the user it is an interactive element [17:33] is there a way to add spacers on top and below to make the button smaller? or turn off the selected color to get the mouse-over effect? === rdieter is now known as rdieter_away === cmvo_ is now known as cmvo [17:53] seele: getting there... [17:58] * seele ought to send Riddell some cookies and punch [18:02] seele: http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/ksmserver4.png [18:02] seele: I hope you realise that for each try I have to compile and log out and in again :) [18:02] I don't know how to crop rather than resize that picture [18:07] Riddell: so what you're saying is that cookies and punch aren't enough? [18:09] hmm.. the artists would have a fit if they saw the image misscaled like that [18:09] how did that picture even get in there, even in the released version there are gradient lines and it doesnt fade in to the background properly [18:10] strangely, it's a bitmap within an svg. the bitmap then gets taken out of the svg and resized before drawing [18:10] so it was weird before I got there :) [18:14] the only way to make the button smaller is to shrink the entire dialog? what about a transparent image or fake invisible button to give it more space so the bitmap doesnt scale? [18:14] weird, so the bitmap scales down, but doesnt scale up? [18:18] it scales up too [18:18] it doesnt look like it in ksmserver3.png [18:19] oh, it's out of the box though [18:21] http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/ksmserver5.png [18:22] hum, that's probably the best we can get. the bitmap edges kindof suck [18:22] do you think it should just say Restart Computer since the Now linebreaks? [18:24] it would be one less thing that would need translating [18:34] Riddell: In update-manager-kde, should the detached process "kdesudo adept updater" finish and exit once run? Cause it doesn't seem to on my system. Wondering if this is the root of the problem with the popups [18:37] it should detatch === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter [18:52] Riddell: ok, then that's a problem... kdesu related no doubt. However, I think I may have found the real issue. Testing now [19:00] Riddell: fixed it [19:00] Whee [19:00] will do a diff shortly for update-notifier [19:30] Riddell: sent the update to ya for update-manager-kde [19:31] anybody have any thoughts on whether bug 209403 really is a security issue? [19:31] Launchpad bug 209403 in kdepim "crash with gmane nntp server and kvm.devel newsgroup" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/209403 [19:31] or is the guy talking rubbish [19:31] the last comment makes me just want to close the bug and walk away :( [19:32] I don't really see how that's a security problem [19:33] me either but then I have no clue about network stuff [19:33] I mean, unless there's a buffer overrun I don't really see how the crash could be exploited [19:34] I'm going to try to reproduce it anyway [19:34] but I might leave a comment to that effect when I'm done [19:43] anybody got an intrepid system can try apt-get install knode? [19:43] it's returning 404 not found in my vm [19:45] and yet it works fine in gdebi if I download the deb by hand [19:45] *shrug* [19:45] works fine here [19:45] oh well nevermind [19:46] network dropped off or something [19:46] heh [19:47] huh, the configuration dialog for knode is empty [19:54] well so far I can't reproduce that bug on intrepid, trying hardy [19:59] can't reproduce in hardy kde4 either [20:00] JontheEchidna: do you have time to try the testcase in 209403? [20:00] then I can close this bug [20:00] if neither of us can reproduce it [20:00] I can't get knode to work [20:00] the configuration dialog is empty [20:00] * JontheEchidna checks out the command line output [20:00] works fine here [20:00] you got kontact installed? [20:00] yes [20:01] meh, I get a bunch of this, no wonder: findServiceByDesktopPath: knode_config_accounts.desktop not found [20:01] maybe it has a dependency on kontact [20:01] hmm, nope [20:01] thoe files are in knode's packaging [20:01] oh, there we go [20:02] wonder what that was all about [20:02] who knows [20:02] you didn't say the right incantations :) [20:04] seems to work fine, no crash here [20:05] he probably should have taken it right to upstream first if he suspected a security flaw [20:06] since they, you know, actually develop it [20:08] much easier to just moan at the distributor :) [20:08] closing [20:29] Riddell: around? [20:29] Bug #268092 [20:29] Launchpad bug 268092 in update-notifier-kde "Click twice to open new adept updater." [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268092 [20:30] Riddell: seems to be a unfocused button issue. OK should have focus in update-notifier-kde dialogs when they are called. I think [20:33] Riddell: and if you hit cancel, it leaves a kdesudo process lingering [20:34] rgreening: i can confirm that [20:34] Riddell: same with entering OK and no password. [20:34] so, wonder if it's kdesudo problem [20:34] or the update-notifier-kde [20:35] kdesudo appears to be the problem [20:35] just tested manually running the kdesudo command... same behaviour [20:46] ok. If I just shoot one user and nuke a specific version of kmail the kdepim buglist would drop by about a third [20:47] *sigh* [20:47] lol [20:47]