[01:07] <JontheEchidna> Success: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5810428&postcount=32
[01:09] <JontheEchidna> omg, somebody noticed quickaccess: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=5819928&postcount=44
[01:09] <JontheEchidna> ^_^
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> heh, seems I'm not alone in the "lines flicker across the screen" thing, which still plauges me. but I've gotten used to it
[01:13] <goatsocks> it's subliminal messaging telling you to eat your cat and everything will be ok
[01:14] <goatsocks> i've seen that kind of flickering when plasma workspace is starting up, but not otherwise
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> this flickering happens with any keyboard input
[01:15] <goatsocks> looks like texture buffer corruption actually
[01:15] <goatsocks> hm, different problem i guess
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> like, even if you have the numpad locked and hammer on the numbers, you'll get flicer
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> *flicker
[01:16] <goatsocks> that's just plain weird
[01:16] <JontheEchidna> yeah, started after an xorg upgrade to 1.5ish
[01:19] <goatsocks> have you noticed any overlapping input driver instances in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? a few months ago when xorg moved over to evdev it was loading my touchpad driver twice heh
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I don't have a touchpad
[01:25] <goatsocks> JontheEchidna: right, but touchpad, keyboard, and all kinds of input devices are now loaded by evdev
[01:26] <goatsocks> the "universal" input device driver
[01:26] <goatsocks> with no real documentation yet ;)
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> see anything fishy here then? http://paste.ubuntu.com/49892/
[01:30] <goatsocks> nah looks normal... evdev is loading your mouse and keyboard (and points them at /dev/input/eventX), don't see any duplicate drivers
[02:06]  * goatsocks nukes PyKDE from orbit
[02:17]  * NCommander watches Kubuntu die
[02:17] <NCommander> goatsocks, what's wrong?
[02:19] <goatsocks> NCommander: KProgressDialog is dirty
[02:22] <goatsocks> probably why i can't find a single successful use of it in any app (though Eric4 seems to have tried at lest, but ended up stubbing and commenting out the code using it heh)
[02:28] <rgreening> hehe
[08:08] <Arby> morning all
[08:13] <davmor2> Arby: Morning
[08:32] <vlanz> hi
[09:16] <bdgraue> $ amarok
[09:16] <bdgraue> <unknown program name>(7516)/: Communication problem with  "amarok" , it probably crashed.
[09:16] <bdgraue> Error message was:  "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply" : " "Message did not receive a reply (timeout by message bus)" "
[09:17] <bdgraue>  i cant start "the new" amarok in kubuntu intrepid
[12:01] <seaLne> is the updates need a reeboot supposed to keep popping up every so often? its quite annoying
[12:03] <Riddell> seaLne: it checks for /var/run/reboot-required
[12:04] <Riddell> which will disappear after a reboot, /var/run being tmpfs
[12:05] <seaLne> does it really need to keep telling you? seems very ms windows :(
[12:06] <seaLne> during the dist-upgrade i got told atleast 5 times and now it is reminding me every so often
[12:09] <Riddell> seaLne: you mean the ballon keeps popping up?
[12:09] <seaLne> yeah
[12:09] <Riddell> it should tell you once then sit quietly in the systray
[12:10] <Riddell> ok, shouldn't be hard to fix I guess
[12:10] <seaLne> near systray and also top of monitor a few times
[12:11] <smarter> it should check if an update is running before asking you to reboot too
[12:11] <smarter> (hi)
[12:13] <Riddell> it does also check for /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp
[12:30] <Riddell> anyone got an amd64 on intrepid?
[12:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: progress promised https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/273489
[13:09] <Riddell> hi rgreening, kde4libs patch works great thanks
[13:10] <rgreening> Riddell: np. It was interesting to sort out. :)
[13:10] <rgreening> Riddell: got another?
[13:10] <rgreening> :P
[13:11] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: found a bug about the balloon popping up too much. bug 271419
[13:11] <rgreening> Riddell: I actually had to dust off my C++ book for the const/pointer prob I was having.
[13:16] <rgreening> Any chance pulse audio will become integrated into Kubuntu and possibly made default? I assume KDE4 needs a phonon backend to support this then
[13:17] <JontheEchidna> I hope it never does
[13:18] <rgreening> pulse isn't bad
[13:18] <rgreening> at least in my experience
[13:19] <JontheEchidna> I've seen it cause nothing but headaches
[13:19] <rgreening> if improper setup.. I agree. But same for ALSA, OSS, etc...
[13:19] <JontheEchidna> maybe it's gotten better
[13:19] <JontheEchidna> well, then ubuntu must have improperly set it up
[13:20] <rgreening> prob
[13:20] <rgreening> :)
[13:20] <Riddell> I've never worked out what the advantage of pulseaudio is over plain alsa
[13:20] <rgreening> for better sound mixing, pulse can provide both hardware and software channels (more than what ALSA does today.. at least better than it does)
[13:22] <Riddell> is that an advantage to typical desktop users?
[13:22] <jjesse> good morning :)
[13:22] <rgreening> for example, KDE startup sounds do not play with ALSA (during first login). With pulse I never had that problem. ALSA takes over total control of the audio. Pulse shares
[13:23] <rgreening> advantage is yes as pulse can share sounds between apps much better
[13:23] <rgreening> with ALSA, you have to create a mixer to achieve similar
[13:24] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: oh, also bug 271834
[13:25] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: thanks
[13:26] <JontheEchidna> yw
[13:27]  * Riddell suspects JontheEchidna of having memorised every beastie number
[13:27] <JontheEchidna> <.<
[13:33] <rgreening> Riddell: any more integration patches that have fallen though the cracks? Or do you have a list somewhere of such things?
[13:33] <Riddell> rgreening: how's your python?
[13:34] <Riddell> rgreening: do you have an amd64?
[13:34] <rgreening> I bought a book not long ago... haha... but I can work things out if it's fixing/patching
[13:34] <rgreening> nope, my system is 32 bit
[13:34] <smarter> Riddell: there's a bug with kubuntu.xmodmap and latest X.org
[13:34] <smarter> at least on my computer, the Insert key is now mapped to 118
[13:35] <smarter> and kubuntu.xmodmap use that for XF86Music
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: is gdebi going to be in Intrepid?
[13:35] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes, it is
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> ok, just wondering because it's not a depend/recommend of kubuntu-desktop
[13:36] <Riddell> rgreening: you could look into seaLne's issue in update-notifier-kde that the bubble keeps popping up
[13:36] <smarter> Riddell: according to google, some people use 129 or 237 for XF86Music, but we could just remove it since nothing is triggered by pressing it
[13:36] <rgreening> that a KDE3 or 4?
[13:36] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes, via install-package, although it should be explicity
[13:36] <Riddell> rgreening: kde 4
[13:36] <rgreening> 3 right?
[13:36] <rgreening> oh
[13:36] <rgreening> hmm.. any reason my system wouldn't have that package
[13:36] <rgreening> by default
[13:37] <rgreening> and, yes, I'll look into it. weird it's not installed
[13:37] <Riddell> smarter: hmm, curious
[13:38] <Riddell> smarter: I don't have a music key here so I can't confirm what that is, but insert is 118
[13:38] <Riddell> smarter: want to patch that?
[13:38] <smarter> Riddell: okay
[13:38] <smarter> it's in kds?
[13:38] <Riddell> smarter: yes, you should be able to commit directly
[13:38] <smarter> cool
[13:38] <rgreening> Riddell: which package should pull in update-notifier-kde?
[13:39] <Riddell> rgreening: kubuntu-desktop
[13:39] <rgreening> hmm.. I did a reinstall of it, and it never pulled it in
[13:39] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I've added gdebi-kde back to the seed
[13:39] <rgreening> let me remove it and install.
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> kool
[13:41] <rgreening> Riddell: remove/install pulls it corect. Ok, that mystery solved. Onto the bug...
[13:48] <rgreening> Riddell: this doesn't look right... partial install packaged in the tar/diff maybe? http://paste.ubuntu.com/50101/
[13:49] <Riddell> rgreening: mm, seems to be
[13:49] <Riddell> you can also get it out of bzr  bzr+ssh://jr@bazaar.launchpad.net/~jr/adept/update-notifier-kde/
[13:49] <rgreening> kk. I'll fix and submit with my bug fix for popup]]
[13:50] <rgreening> ty
[14:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, how does one do an upgrade to development series with update-notifier-kde?
[14:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: good question
[14:44] <Riddell> doods, how's this? http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kickoff.png
[14:44] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kickoff2.png
[14:44] <Riddell> seele: ^^
[14:46] <JontheEchidna> nice
[14:48] <seele> doods? lol
[14:48] <seele> Riddell: ah nice..
[14:48] <jjesse_> doods
[14:48] <jjesse_> lol
[14:49] <jjesse> wonder hwne the last time doods was used in this channnel
[14:49] <jjesse> hey doods i just haxxored some qucik a$$ features
[14:54] <seele> Riddell: hmm.. can the "reboot in n seconds" message be moved?
[14:54] <seele> now that the confirmation message is cleaned up and only has relevant info, it needs to be redesigned to make more sense :-/
[14:55] <seele> Reboot/Restart should be the same word
[14:55] <seele> and Restart Computer should probably be Restart Computer Now (or something like that) as an option away from the Restart timeout..
[14:57] <Riddell> seele: moved where?
[14:57] <Riddell> would probably be fiddly
[14:58] <seele> Riddell: hum.. if it's going to be a lot of work then nevermind.  this is already a big improvement to what it was
[14:59] <seele> although changing the word Reboot to Restart would be nice
[14:59] <Riddell> yes that's obvious once you point it out
[14:59] <Riddell> seele: where would you want it moved to?
[15:00] <seele> Riddell: above or below the restart computer button? or in that box
[15:01] <seele> it would create context.  [Do nothing] Restart computer in n sections \n [Do something] Restart computer (now?) \n Cancel
[15:01] <seele> although if it is in the process, should it say "restarting"? *shrugs*
[15:03]  * seele pats Riddell 
[15:03] <seele> sorry, but you did ask for my opinion :)
[15:04] <Riddell> we'll just see how my time goes this afternoon :)
[15:18] <Riddell> d00ds.  nuff usability, this is what we want http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kwin.png
[15:20] <vlanz> Riddell: hehe, very nice.
[15:20] <jjesse> so what's up with all the d00d talk today?
[15:20] <jjesse> someone seems to be in a good mode
[15:20] <jjesse> mood
[15:20] <Riddell> I have a cube on my desktop, why wouldn't I be
[15:23] <jjesse> i guess you would have no reason not to be ahppy
[15:24] <jjesse> that cube does look cool
[15:25] <apachelogger> ....if it had anti-aliasing :P
[15:26] <apachelogger> nixternal: I am still no core dev
[15:26]  * apachelogger thinks nixternal should do something about that
[15:26]  * apachelogger also thinks Nightrose needs a hug
[15:26] <nixternal> what?
[15:27] <Nightrose> I do indeed
[15:27]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger 
[15:27] <nixternal> apachelogger: gotta wait for the others to give their blessing, and then you have to stand in front of the tech board for one hammering of an interview
[15:27]  * apachelogger rehugs Nightrose
[15:28] <apachelogger> hm
[15:28] <apachelogger> nixternal: you guys are way too slow
[15:29]  * apachelogger forgot what he was going to do -.-
[15:33] <Nightrose> apachelogger: if in doubt hug someone
[15:33] <Nightrose> ;-)
[15:35] <jtechidna> Riddell: do you think we should enable the Dim Screen for Administrator Mode effect by default?
[15:35] <jtechidna> Ubuntu has it, and it's been a wishlist item since forever
[15:35] <jjesse> that would be nice
[15:36] <Riddell> jtechidna: what does that do?
[15:36] <Riddell> or where is it?
[15:37] <seele> jtechidna: for the kdesu dialog or any admin-enabled app?
[15:37] <Riddell> oh, that works
[15:37] <Riddell> yes, we should have that
[15:37] <Riddell> seele: for kdesu dialogue
[15:37] <jtechidna> seele: I think any password prompt
[15:38] <seele> Riddell: does it work the same way as the gnome one?  the gnome dialog is always on top where kdesu can lose focus?
[15:38] <seele> the purpose of the dimming is to make the user aware that a password is necessary, but if the dialog can be unfocused then you can't have the blur which defeats the purpose
[15:38] <jtechidna> seele: I think any password prompt
[15:39] <seele> so kdesu would have to be changed so it is always on top until it is cancelled or a password is entered
[15:39] <seele> jtechidna: even app passwords?
[15:39] <jjesse> just like switching to a different desktop in visa with UAC
[15:39] <jtechidna> probably just kdesu/kdesudo dialogs
[15:39] <jtechidna> effects aren't working right now so I can't check
[15:40] <seele> jtechidna: sure, but what happens if kdesu doesn't have focus because another app steals it (happens a lot during login)
[15:41] <jtechidna> dim goes bye-bye
[15:42] <seele> that's not how the gnome one works..
[15:42] <seele> ah he disappeared
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> ugh
[15:46] <JontheEchidna> losing kwin is fun
[15:49] <smarter> we could add a rule to kwin to force kdesudo to be always on top
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> it wouldn't be too hard to implement in kdesudo
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> pinentry-qt4 has it
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> even if it does lose focus, all typing input goes to the password field
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> like gksu, I think
[15:51] <seele> ok
[15:51] <seele> yeah, the gnome one is always on top and doesnt allow you to focus on any other windows until it is dismissed
[15:52] <seele> not locking focus defeats the purpose of the dim effect
[15:53] <seele> the dim is supposed to alert the user that something special happened and needs their immediate attention
[15:53] <seele> if it doesnt happen because the password dialog isn't in focus then the message doesnt get across and it turns in to a useless effect instead of providing useful information
[15:54] <Riddell> seele: how's this? http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/ksmserver.png
[15:57] <Riddell> maybe we can convince Tonio_ to implement it today :)
[15:58] <seele> hum.. can we get the restarting text on the gradient background?
[15:58] <seele> maybe we should just leave it how it was.. think upstream will want the fix?
[15:59] <seele> then the oxygen people can think of a better way of integrating the inforamtion in context
[15:59] <Riddell> dunno, I'm not sure who upstream is
[15:59] <seele> isn't it a plasma widget?
[15:59] <Riddell> no, it's part of ksmserver
[16:00] <Riddell> but could well be plasma people that have worked on it
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> the theming is included in the plasma theme
[16:01] <Riddell> I can do this http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/ksmserver2.png
[16:02] <Riddell> but it's ugly, I don't know why that image is placed like that
[16:02] <seele> it's unreadable on the image like that
[16:04] <seele> Riddell: what happened to the "KDE 4.1" label that is usually above the moon?
[16:04] <seele> oh, that changed, nevermind
[16:04] <seele> interesting
[16:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: implement what ?
[16:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about work..... I need your help on kdesudo
[16:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can't debug that mess myself, that's too low level
[16:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: kdesudo dialogue not losing focus
[16:10] <Riddell> seele: looks like it's a bunch of people but uwolfer did the initial stuff http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/ksmserver/shutdowndlg.cpp?view=log
[16:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's wrong with it?
[16:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: kdesu seems to remember your password now, maybe we should just drop kdesudo
[16:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: I really think the focus stealing prevention needs to be set in kwin
[16:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: randomly fails to start the process with certain apps
[16:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: when the same command in the shell works
[16:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: qprocess issue, lookslike
[16:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, does kdesu deal with specific sudoers files (aka NOPASSWD options and so on ?)
[16:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's very important when using the desktop in a corp environment
[16:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can test if you want
[16:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'd be happy to drop it eventually, but I need to be sure it does work as sudo does
[16:29] <rametux> can i upgrade from alpha-6 into newest daily-live release with the cd?
[16:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll show you the kprocess/qprocess issue toonight
[16:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm going somewhere with an internet connection, so I'll be online
[16:31] <vlanz> Tonio_: have you seen bug 272427 in that context?
[16:31] <Tonio_> vlanz: interesting, could be my issue
[16:31] <Tonio_> vlanz: gdb show that the qprocess is "polling" for something that doesn't come out
[16:32] <vlanz> Tonio_: yes, it's waiting for SIGCHLD
[16:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: it is in kwin (works for gksudo)
[16:32] <vlanz> Tonio_: but kdesudo blocked that for itself and its child processes
[16:32] <Tonio_> vlanz: also, the same kdesudo codebase was working before, that's why I expect a qt bug
[16:32]  * vlanz has to manualle unblock it in partition manager.
[16:32] <Tonio_> vlanz: the strange thing is that for some apps it works
[16:32] <Tonio_> vlanz: kdesudo konqueror works
[16:32] <Tonio_> vlanz: kdesudo partitionmanager doesn't
[16:33] <Tonio_> vlanz: both are kde apps
[16:33] <seele> Riddell: http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4646/logoutconfirmationww5.png
[16:33] <vlanz> Tonio_: maybe related to if you're using QProcess:waitForFinished or not.
[16:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: then kdesudo isn't using the correct window class thingy
[16:33] <seele> Riddell: that's what i would like to see but i dont know if that is possible/easy
[16:33]  * apachelogger still thinks we should get kdesu work properly with sudo
[16:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll look at that focus issue with kdesudo toonight
[16:34] <Tonio_> vlanz: hum in fact I'm starting a sudo process in a k/qprocess
[16:34] <Tonio_> vlanz: maybe that just depends on the app started next to that
[16:35] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I agree, just that it is not easy since there is no sudo lib....
[16:35] <apachelogger> seele: depending on the actual code it shouldn't be that diffcult ... kickoff "just" needs to tell ksmserver which button to show
[16:35] <Tonio_> apachelogger: what needs to work with kdesu/sudo :
[16:35] <Tonio_> -> remember password
[16:35] <seele> apachelogger: Riddell's got that part down, it's the presentation i'm trying to imporve
[16:35] <Tonio_> -> don't prompt for password if sudo doesn't need a password (NOPASSWD options....)
[16:35] <Tonio_> apachelogger: if that can be made to work, then we don't need kdesudo
[16:36] <apachelogger> Tonio_: what is preventing us form merging the parts of kdesudo which take care of this into kdesu?
[16:36] <apachelogger> seeing that kdesu switches between su and sudo at compile time it is probably possible to even exchange large code parts using cmake magic
[16:37] <Tonio_> apachelogger: the codebase is entirelly different
[16:37] <Tonio_> apachelogger: but that should be done on the long term
[16:38] <apachelogger> why is it different?
[16:38] <Tonio_> vlanz: I'll look at that toonight
[16:38] <Tonio_> apachelogger: kdesud
[16:38] <vlanz> Tonio_: as i said, partition manager works around it now (from alpha2 on)
[16:38] <Tonio_> vlanz: hu ?
[16:38] <vlanz> Tonio_: but as long as that example code in the bug report doesn't work with kdesudo, there's a problem.
[16:38] <Tonio_> kdesudo partitionmanager does work ?
[16:38] <apachelogger> Tonio_: well, if kdesu is compiled with sudo support it could just ignore kdesud and use sudo instead, couldn't it?
[16:38] <vlanz> Tonio_: in alpha2 it does, yes.
[16:39] <vlanz> Tonio_: (which is unreleased)
[16:39] <Tonio_> ahhh next partitionmanager version, right
[16:39] <Tonio_> apachelogger: yes, we can merge the two processes
[16:39] <Tonio_> apachelogger: btw, that wouldn't fix my current problem :)
[16:39] <Tonio_> apachelogger: but we should consider merging kdesudo in kdesu for intrepid +1 eventually
[16:40] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'd be happy with that ;)
[16:40] <apachelogger> ok, let's target it for jaunty
[16:40] <rametux> I can't login to wiki through konqueror
[16:40] <rametux> is this a bug?
[16:40]  * apachelogger wouldn't want such changes at this time of intrepid development anyway ;-)
[16:40] <Tonio_> vlanz: I'll let you know if I can fix that toonight
[16:40] <apachelogger> rametux: yes
[16:41] <apachelogger> rametux: can't do anything about it
[16:41] <apachelogger> the canonical sysadmins know about it
[16:41] <apachelogger> but lovely moinmoin openid integration seems to be a bit off
[16:41] <vlanz> Tonio_: great. i'd love to remove the workaround.
[16:41] <rametux> apachelogger: then i should install firefox instead
[16:41] <apachelogger> opera and arora are broken as well
[16:41] <Tonio_> vlanz: I know :)
[16:41] <rametux> hmm
[16:41] <apachelogger> rametux: or not edit the wiki ;-)
[16:41] <Tonio_> vlanz: so you are partitionmanager upstream ?
[16:41] <apachelogger> rametux: and poke the sysadmins
[16:41] <rametux> haha
[16:41] <vlanz> Tonio_: i am
[16:41] <rametux> thx anyway
[16:41] <apachelogger> rametux: you gotta stand up for your rights :)
[16:41] <Tonio_> vlanz: stupid question, is a kcm module in the work ?
[16:41]  * apachelogger hands vlanz a cookie
[16:42] <Tonio_> vlanz: that kind of apps should fit in systemsettings imho :)
[16:42] <vlanz> Tonio_: not yet... and maybe a kpart should come first?
[16:42] <apachelogger> https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-experimental/+archive/+index?field.name_filter=parti&field.status_filter=published
[16:42] <apachelogger> ;-)
[16:42] <Tonio_> kpart ?
[16:42] <vlanz> Tonio_: at the moment, i'm trying to make it stable and get the features complete.
[16:42] <Tonio_> vlanz: sure that :)
[16:42] <vlanz> Tonio_: it's not a kpart.
[16:42] <vlanz> apachelogger: thx ;-)
[16:43] <Tonio_> vlanz: should it be ? :) I can't see any reason to embed such an app in another one...
[16:43] <Tonio_> vlanz: hum or eventually for the kubuntu installer :)
[16:43] <vlanz> Tonio_: some archlinux (sp?) guy wants that ;-)
[16:43] <vlanz> Tonio_: for their installer
[16:43] <Tonio_> vlanz: makes sense :)
[16:43] <vlanz> apachelogger: very nice.
[16:43] <Tonio_> vlanz: I'll wait then ;)
[16:49]  * JontheEchidna reboots
[17:19] <Riddell> seele: best I can do http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/ksmserver3.png
[17:22] <seele> Riddell: the entire gradient is the button area?
[17:28] <Riddell> yes
[17:29] <seele> so you can click 50-100 pixels away from the label/icon and have it activate the action?
[17:30] <seele> hmm.. with one item the gradient is on by default and so there is no mouse-over effect
[17:31] <Riddell> right
[17:31] <seele> that's no good because now it doesnt look clickable :(
[17:31] <seele> there's no feedback to tell the user it is an interactive element
[17:33] <seele> is there a way to add spacers on top and below to make the button smaller?  or turn off the selected color to get the mouse-over effect?
[17:53] <Riddell> seele: getting there...
[17:58]  * seele ought to send Riddell some cookies and punch
[18:02] <Riddell> seele: http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/ksmserver4.png
[18:02] <Riddell> seele: I hope you realise that for each try I have to compile and log out and in again :)
[18:02] <Riddell> I don't know how to crop rather than resize that picture
[18:07] <seele> Riddell: so what you're saying is that cookies and punch aren't enough?
[18:09] <seele> hmm.. the artists would have a fit if they saw the image misscaled like that
[18:09] <seele> how did that picture even get in there, even in the released version there are gradient lines and it doesnt fade in to the background properly
[18:10] <Riddell> strangely, it's a bitmap within an svg.  the bitmap then gets taken out of the svg and resized before drawing
[18:10] <Riddell> so it was weird before I got there :)
[18:14] <seele> the only way to make the button smaller is to shrink the entire dialog?  what about a transparent image or fake invisible button to give it more space so the bitmap doesnt scale?
[18:14] <seele> weird, so the bitmap scales down, but doesnt scale up?
[18:18] <Riddell> it scales up too
[18:18] <seele> it doesnt look like it in ksmserver3.png
[18:19] <seele> oh, it's out of the box though
[18:21] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/ksmserver5.png
[18:22] <seele> hum, that's probably the best we can get.  the bitmap edges kindof suck
[18:22] <seele> do you think it should just say Restart Computer since the Now linebreaks?
[18:24] <Riddell> it would be one less thing that would need translating
[18:34] <rgreening> Riddell: In update-manager-kde, should the detached process "kdesudo adept updater" finish and exit once run? Cause it doesn't seem to on my system. Wondering if this is the root of the problem with the popups
[18:37] <Riddell> it should detatch
[18:52] <rgreening> Riddell: ok, then that's a problem... kdesu related no doubt. However, I think I may have found the real issue. Testing now
[19:00] <rgreening> Riddell: fixed it
[19:00] <rgreening> Whee
[19:00] <rgreening> will do a diff shortly for update-notifier
[19:30] <rgreening> Riddell: sent the update to ya for update-manager-kde
[19:31] <Arby> anybody have any thoughts on whether bug 209403 really is a security issue?
[19:31] <Arby> or is the guy talking rubbish
[19:31] <Arby> the last comment makes me just want to close the bug and walk away :(
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> I don't really see how that's a security problem
[19:33] <Arby> me either but then I have no clue about network stuff
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> I mean, unless there's a buffer overrun I don't really see how the crash could be exploited
[19:34] <Arby> I'm going to try to reproduce it anyway
[19:34] <Arby> but I might leave a comment to that effect when I'm done
[19:43] <Arby> anybody got an intrepid system can try apt-get install knode?
[19:43] <Arby> it's returning 404 not found in my vm
[19:45] <Arby> and yet it works fine in gdebi if I download the deb by hand
[19:45] <Arby> *shrug*
[19:45] <JontheEchidna> works fine here
[19:45] <Arby> oh well nevermind
[19:46] <Arby> network dropped off or something
[19:46] <JontheEchidna> heh
[19:47] <JontheEchidna> huh, the configuration dialog for knode is empty
[19:54] <Arby> well so far I can't reproduce that bug on intrepid, trying hardy
[19:59] <Arby> can't reproduce in hardy kde4 either
[20:00] <Arby> JontheEchidna: do you have time to try the testcase in 209403?
[20:00] <Arby> then I can close this bug
[20:00] <Arby> if neither of us can reproduce it
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> I can't get knode to work
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> the configuration dialog is empty
[20:00]  * JontheEchidna checks out the command line output
[20:00] <Arby> works fine here
[20:00] <JontheEchidna> you got kontact installed?
[20:00] <Arby> yes
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> meh, I get a bunch of this, no wonder: findServiceByDesktopPath: knode_config_accounts.desktop not found
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> maybe it has a dependency on kontact
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> hmm, nope
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> thoe files are in knode's packaging
[20:01] <JontheEchidna> oh, there we go
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> wonder what that was all about
[20:02] <Arby> who knows
[20:02] <Arby> you didn't say the right incantations :)
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> seems to work fine, no crash here
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> he probably should have taken it right to upstream first if he suspected a security flaw
[20:06] <JontheEchidna> since they, you know, actually develop it
[20:08] <Arby> much easier to just moan at the distributor :)
[20:08] <Arby> closing
[20:29] <rgreening> Riddell: around?
[20:29] <rgreening> Bug #268092
[20:30] <rgreening> Riddell: seems to be a unfocused button issue. OK should have focus in update-notifier-kde dialogs when they are called. I think
[20:33] <rgreening> Riddell: and if you hit cancel, it leaves a kdesudo process lingering
[20:34] <jjesse> rgreening: i can confirm that
[20:34] <rgreening> Riddell: same with entering OK and no password.
[20:34] <rgreening> so, wonder if it's kdesudo problem
[20:34] <rgreening> or the update-notifier-kde
[20:35] <rgreening> kdesudo appears to be the problem
[20:35] <rgreening> just tested manually running the kdesudo command... same behaviour
[20:46] <Arby> ok.   If I just shoot one user and nuke a specific version of kmail the kdepim buglist would drop by about a third
[20:47] <Arby> *sigh*
[20:47] <rgreening> lol
[20:47] <vlanz> Arby: hehe
[20:47] <Arby> try several pages of unqualified crash reports with no debugging symbols :)
[20:48] <Riddell> rgreening: kdesudo issues can be sent to Tonio_ :)
[20:48] <Arby> almost all from the same version
[20:48]  * Arby trundles on
[20:49] <rgreening> :) I'm pretty sure the issues are kdesudo related. Based on what I said, agree?
[20:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think I have the fix for the blocksigchild thing.... testing and preparing a release
[20:49] <rgreening> \o/
[20:49] <smarter> Tonio_: cool :)
[20:49] <vlanz> Tonio_: great news!
[20:49] <smarter> so, it's a Qt bug?
[20:50] <rgreening> Tonio_: will that potentially fix bug #268092
[20:50] <Tonio_> rgreening: afaik, should eventually fix
[20:50] <Tonio_> rgreening: interesting in testing once I have the package ready ?
[20:51] <rgreening> kk. I'l look for the update
[20:51] <rgreening> YES
[20:51] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's the blocksigchild thing?
[20:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: what causes some programs not to start
[20:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: it certainly unblocks too late in fact
[20:58] <Tonio_> investigating, but I'm pretty sure that'll fix
[20:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: meeting ?
[20:58] <rgreening> I think kdesudo is missing a connect signal for Cancel button?
[20:58] <Tonio_> rgreening: fixed here :)
[20:59] <rgreening> ok. cause it was a security issue leaving dangling kdesudo processes around :)
[20:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: about the website, I mean ;) for once I can connect in the evening, I don't want to miss it
[20:59] <Tonio_> rgreening: and also freezing systemsetings when canceling
[20:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: meeting?  when where?
[21:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: apachelogger told me about a kubuntu website meeting today 20 UTC
[21:00] <Arby> what's the right answer bug 187485?
[21:00] <Arby> mark as won't fix and send them upstream?
[21:00] <Riddell> ryanakca: meeting.  when, where?
[21:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: we should consider adding libqca2-plugin-ossl to the cd
[21:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: otherwise kopete cannot connect to gmail
[21:01] <Riddell> Arby: tell him to hassle upstream?
[21:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's problematic imho..... lots of linux users are using gmail/gtalk as teir IM
[21:01] <a|wen> anybody here with some kde 4 knowledge ... does https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kicker-taskbar-compiz have any relevance in intrepid?
[21:01] <Tonio_> I personnaly do....
[21:01] <Arby> Riddell: that was my thought as well, thanks
[21:02] <Riddell> Tonio_: poke pitti and doko on bug 267599
[21:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho already in the pipe.... yeah I'll ping pitty then
[21:02] <Riddell> a|wen: no, which is why it has been removed
[21:03] <a|wen> ahh, sorry ... of course, I'm obviously blind atm
[21:03] <rgreening> Tonio_: let me know when you have a working kdesudo
[21:03] <Tonio_> rgreening: sure
[21:03] <rgreening> ty
[21:05] <bdgraue_> amarok-kde4 crashes every time on my fresh installed intrepid http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/470 can someone tell me what might be wrong?
[21:05] <apachelogger> Tonio_: SRU about libqca2 filed
[21:05] <a|wen> Riddell: it needs a new version to work with kde 3.5.10; what do you think is the best way of doing that is? ... put the new version directly in backports, and then eventually pocket-copy it together with the rest of kde3.5.10?
[21:05] <apachelogger> ah
[21:06] <apachelogger> jr already pointed out :D
[21:06] <apachelogger> Tonio_: and when did I tell you about a website meeting?
[21:06] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:06] <Riddell> a|wen: is 3.5.10 in backports?
[21:06] <Tonio_> apachelogger: maybe it wans't you then :)
[21:06] <Tonio_> ryanakca: you ?
[21:07] <apachelogger> all very strange
[21:07] <a|wen> Riddell: yes it is hardy-backports (thx goes to ScottK)
[21:07] <smarter> hmm, I think gtk-qt-engine needs a rebuild
[21:07] <Tonio_> ryanakca: tired, and not concentrated... sorry
[21:07] <Tonio_> ryanakca: is it started ?
[21:07] <smarter> when I try to start firefox, I get "Cannot mix incompatible Qt libraries"
[21:07] <Tonio_> apachelogger: that was not you indeed, sorry....
[21:07] <smarter> and it doesn't happen if GTK2_RC_FILES is set to ""
[21:08] <Tonio_> rgreening: package building
[21:08] <rgreening> kool
[21:08] <Tonio_> rgreening: I'll perform a few tests locally first if you don't mind and if that looks good, go :)
[21:08] <rgreening> added you to bug #268092
[21:08] <rgreening> kk
[21:11] <a|wen> Riddell: it's bug 261694 i'm looking at ... we're keeping track of any regressions in kde 3.5.10 using https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=kde3.5.10 to maybe copy it to updates
[21:14] <ryanakca> Riddell: Whenever... if seele is around, now is good
[21:14] <ryanakca> seele: ping?
[21:15]  * Tonio_ brb -> 5 minutes
[21:16] <seele> ryanakca: pong
[21:16] <ryanakca> Riddell: ping?
[21:18] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I'm there too :)
[21:18] <Riddell> ryanakca: hi
[21:18] <ryanakca> Tonio_: you back, or shall we give you a few more minutes?
[21:18] <Tonio_> back ;)
[21:18] <Tonio_> cigarette smoked
[21:19] <ryanakca> Here good with everybody?
[21:19] <seele> sure
[21:19] <Riddell> yes
[21:19] <ryanakca> Okies, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidWebsite lists potential changes... which ones are we keeping and which ones are we scrapping / putting off?
[21:20] <ryanakca> Replacing the intro paragraph with screenshots should be easy enough, if we still want to do so. Yes? No?
[21:21] <seele> yes, what should it be a screenshot of?
[21:21] <Tonio_> rgreening: you can test with this : http://planetemu.net/temp/kdesudo_3.2-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[21:21] <Riddell> I'd like that
[21:21] <Tonio_> rgreening: fixed the blocking issue for me
[21:21] <Riddell> a screenshot of the intrepid beta!
[21:21] <rgreening> kk. will test asap
[21:22] <Tonio_> vlanz: kdesudo fixed, I can start partitionmanager here
[21:22] <ryanakca> It would be rather small methinks, so I'd probably vote for what a user first sees once logged into a fresh install of Kubuntu
[21:22] <seele> Riddell: a plain kde4 desktop?
[21:22]  * ryanakca nods
[21:22] <seele> kde4 desktop with some little stuff on it? like kopete or whatever?
[21:22] <Riddell> seele: well with some exciting application open maybe
[21:22] <rgreening> Tonio_ file doesn't exist
[21:22] <yuriy> kde4 desktop covered with clocks?
[21:22] <ryanakca> Thinking back to a post seele made (or was it someone else?), would it be wise to stick intrepid screenshots before it's released? It might disappoint some people, they expect to see <whatever is in the screenshot>, but when they boot up, they see something completely different...
[21:23] <Riddell> ryanakca: right enough, it should be the stable release
[21:23] <Riddell> but having a coming soon screenshot might be good too
[21:23] <seele> ryanakca: we can caption it to say Intrepid
[21:23] <ryanakca> *nod*
[21:23] <seele> and put the release date in the caption so they know when to check back for the download
[21:24] <seele> Riddell: kde 3.5.10 isn't exciting enough!
[21:24] <Riddell> seele: dunno, I've never used it :)
[21:25] <Tonio_> rgreening: works now
[21:25] <seele> Riddell: me neither, but i can't imagine it looks any different from 3.5.9 :P
[21:25] <seele> ryanakca: so single screenshot or a collage?
[21:25] <ryanakca> okies... do we want to have a KDE3 and a KDE4? or just one?
[21:25]  * ryanakca shrugs... the simpler the better imho
[21:26] <Tonio_> ryanakca, seele: why not a "get involved" or "contribute" button or link on the main page ?
[21:26] <ryanakca> … not exactly along the lines of "simple"... but maybe stick in a small js script that makes it change screenshots every 15 seconds (inside a small monitor type thing)... and if js is disabled, just default to a plain desktop image...
[21:26] <a|wen> seele: it doesn't look much different ... but it fixes a few problems in kde 3.5.9; and we're close to have any regressions fixed
[21:27] <seele> ryanakca: what about 3 thumnails side by side that open up to larger images?
[21:27] <ryanakca> Tonio_: we have a "Helping out" link... but it isn't really visible... we could make a more visible one though...
[21:27] <Tonio_> ryanakca: true that
[21:27] <ryanakca> seele: would work...
[21:27] <seele> the default desktop, kde PIM, and then something else, maybe dolphin or kopete?
[21:27] <apachelogger> jussi01: plin-g
[21:28] <seele> i dunno
[21:28] <seele> what's the message we wnat to send for intrepid?
[21:28] <ryanakca> *nod*... how big? … dunno
[21:28] <seele> productivity?  communication?  home use?
[21:28] <ryanakca> brb, sorry.
[21:28] <Tonio_> ryanakca: kubuntu-fr.org wesite has a little ajax applet that show screenshots randomly
[21:29] <Tonio_> ryanakca: you also can click a little arrow to see next screenshot
[21:29] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I like the idea
[21:29] <Riddell> seele: exciting and new mostly
[21:30] <seele> was digikam included in hardy by default?
[21:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: don't you want to communicate on the fact not everyone should upgrade ?
[21:30] <Riddell> seele: yes
[21:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: lots of things are not finished in kde4 for the average user (ark, dolphin missing ark etc...)
[21:31] <seele> besides "kde4" do we have any new inclusions or apps?
[21:31] <seele> adept3 but that doesnt make a pretty screenshot
[21:31] <Riddell> seele: kde 4 is quite a big new inclusion :)
[21:31] <Riddell> Tonio_: mm hmm, but in a positive manor
[21:32] <seele> Riddell: you want a bunch of screenshots of plasma widgets? they're pretty looking
[21:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: true that
[21:32] <Riddell> seele: anything bling
[21:32] <Riddell> seele: compositing is on for the first time, that's always attractive
[21:33] <ryanakca> back
[21:33] <seele> Riddell: I'm fine with anything but the stupid Fifteen Puzzle
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> lol
[21:33] <Riddell> seele: not able to complete it are we? :)
[21:34] <seele> Riddell: shush
[21:34]  * JontheEchidna can't
[21:34]  * JontheEchidna goes fooding
[21:34] <ryanakca> what does everybody else think of that little ajax applet that Tonio_ mentioned?
[21:35] <Riddell> kubuntu-fr is dead so I can't say
[21:35] <ryanakca> Tonio_: btw, kubuntu-fr.org is down :)
[21:35] <Riddell> but worth looking into
[21:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah, that's the problem
[21:35] <seele> ryanakca: sure
[21:35] <ryanakca> Ok... I'm guessing we can vote on which screenshots at a later date?
[21:36] <seele> hmm.. do you think we should have a screenie of a uber-custom plasma desktop?  4.0 and 4.1.0 were buggy when it came to moving the taskbar and system tray around
[21:37] <seele> ryanakca: we could each take a few and put them up on the wiki and then choose the top 5 or whatever in a few days?
[21:37] <yao_ziyuan> the latest scim-bridge-client-qt4 still has problems
[21:37] <yao_ziyuan> it makes a new kde4 session almost unusable
[21:37] <seele> Tonio_: does the ajax picture show thing allow for custom captions?
[21:38] <Tonio_> seele: not that I know of
[21:39] <Riddell> off topic, sub text on always in kickoff?  (currently is just on hover) http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kickoff3.png
[21:39] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kickoff8.png
[21:40] <seele> Riddell: yes please.. i thought it was going to require kickoff hacks though?
[21:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: I like the idea
[21:40] <seele> i think JontheEchidna looked at it for a bit a while ago
[21:40] <Riddell> seele: took me hours to work out how to do it but in the end it's pretty simple
[21:41] <Riddell> frustratingly simple infact
[21:41] <seele> Riddell: hmm.. since you've got it open.. can you fix the weird indent too? ;)
[21:41] <ryanakca> heh
[21:41]  * seele sends more punch and cookies
[21:41] <Riddell> seele: you want the indent removed?
[21:41] <seele> yeah, so the subtext aligns to the left right under the main label
[21:41] <seele> instead of being indented 5px or whatever
[21:42] <seele> if it's not easy it's not a big deal
[21:42] <seele> it's already smaller text AND light grey.  hierarchy has been established, and indent is overkill
[21:43]  * seele has been grumbling about kickoff for a long while now..
[21:44] <ryanakca> Anyways, moving on.
[21:45] <seele> oh dear, plasma just crashed somethign terrible
[21:46]  * Riddell moves ryanakca on
[21:46] <ryanakca> "Add a search bar, similar to the one on kubuntu-fr.org, which can search the site, wiki, help, forums."... I talked to Matt, and the sysadmins probably wouldn't let us install a full fledged 3rd party module... however, Drupal has (or used to, not sure if it still does) a built in module that can search across it's pages/stories... if we started with that and tried to move to another one that can do more later on?
[21:47] <seele> ryanakca: so all the pages but the wiki section could be searched?
[21:47] <ryanakca> seele: Everything under the drupal site (www.kubuntu.org) ... so, no wiki, no help, no forums, etc
[21:47] <Riddell> not sure there's much point in just searching the site, it's not a large site
[21:48] <seele> ok.. so no search?
[21:48] <ryanakca> Should we try to push for a third party module that can search across more than just the drupal site? I wouldn't hope for too much, but it doesn't hurt to ask...
[21:49] <vlanz> Tonio_: very good. I'll try alpha2 without the workaround, then.
[21:49] <Riddell> ryanakca: I suspect it's not worth the hassle
[21:49] <Riddell> seele: comme ca? http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kickoff9.png
[21:49] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok.
[21:49] <Riddell> NCommander: fancy looking into another nasty compile failure?
[21:49] <NCommander> Riddell, sure
[21:50]  * NCommander pauses nethack ;-)
[21:50] <Riddell> NCommander: kdebase-runtime is grumpy with xine.  siretart says it's not xine's fault
[21:50] <ryanakca> Do we really need to move the left sidebar to the righthand side? I'm just not sure that it's worth the effort...
[21:50] <seele> Riddell: ben fatto, mille grazie
[21:50] <NCommander> Riddell, build log?
[21:51] <Tonio_> vlanz: I still have a problem with wrong password, fyi, currently fixing that one
[21:51] <Riddell> NCommander: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/kdebase-runtime/4:4.1.1-0ubuntu5
[21:51] <Riddell> NCommander: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17920560/buildlog_ubuntu-intrepid-i386.kdebase-runtime_4:4.1.1-0ubuntu5_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[21:51] <vlanz> Tonio_: where's the svn for kdesudo?
[21:52] <Tonio_> vlanz: it's on bazaar, lauchpad
[21:52] <Riddell> ryanakca: where does it say that in the spec?
[21:52] <Tonio_> vlanz: not commited the changes yet
[21:52] <vlanz> Tonio_: ah, ok ;-)
[21:52] <Tonio_> vlanz: I'll give you the url when commited
[21:52] <NCommander> Riddell, that's a pretty FTBFS :-)
[21:52] <ryanakca> Riddell: Change "free download" to "Download Kubuntu for free". Move it to the right hand side. Remove the background so it is better integrated. Use smaller fonts and add the current version number.
[21:52] <vlanz> Tonio_: very good.
[21:52] <Riddell> ryanakca: is it hard to move?  surely in a CMS it should be pretty easy
[21:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: not sure how hard, I can probably work something out next weekend... just that I never themed in a right hand side bar :)
[21:54] <Riddell> ryanakca: I can't remember the rationale for that move, it might have been a seele request
[21:55]  * ryanakca looks to seele for enlightenment
[21:55] <rgreening> Riddell: look at bug #153911 and first comment. I think we should implement the idea into the update-notifier-kde script. As it's possible a user may be running adept/apt/synaptic and it will show updates when it should possibly be put busy (to prevent accidental click/open and have a locking issue
[21:56] <Riddell> no bug bot?
[21:56] <rgreening> bug #153911
[21:56] <Riddell> bug 153911
[21:56] <rgreening> weird
[21:56] <Riddell> oh well
[21:56] <rgreening> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier-kde/+bug/153911
[21:56] <Riddell> ryanakca: it may well just have been a more usual place for it
[21:58] <rgreening> Riddell: if you can implement a check to see if apt db is locked, then set the icon into a busy state and prevent any clickable action until the lock is gone.
[21:58] <rgreening> should be easy enough I guess.
[21:58] <NCommander> Riddell, ok, building
[21:58] <ryanakca> Riddell: okies.
[21:58] <ryanakca> "Replace the News list with a latest KDE packages page and latest Kubuntu release page (linking to the release notes)."... I think we're already doing that?
[21:59] <Riddell> rgreening: yes that would be nice
[21:59] <rgreening> :)
[21:59] <ryanakca> Each new release (or prerelease) we stick on the main page... only thing we don't do is stick the latest KDE packages in there
[21:59] <Riddell> ryanakca: well we still have a news list.  this would be a pretty fundamental change to the site structure
[22:00] <seele> ryanakca: sorry.. was busy crashing plasma
[22:00] <Riddell> it's a question of do people care about the news list, maybe some people do
[22:00] <rgreening> Riddell: I'll have a poke at it, though I'm no Python'ista...
[22:00]  * rgreening looks for my python book...
[22:00] <seele> ryanakca: i think just improving the download box is more important than moving it to the right side
[22:00] <ryanakca> Riddell: *nod*... but then, does the average person really care that we just updated kfoobar from -5ubuntu17 to -5ubuntu18 ?
[22:01] <seele> ryanakca: the point of moving it to the right side was to integrate it in to the content so it doesnt look like a banner (and thus could be missed.. believe me, it happens)
[22:01] <ryanakca> seele: okies, how can we improve it?
[22:01] <Riddell> ryanakca: that I don't know
[22:02] <seele> ryanakca: Download Kubuntu for Free works fine.  maybe get a new graphic so it stands out nicely?
[22:03] <ryanakca> seele: ... get rid of the paragraph as well? Replace the whole thing by a new graphic?
[22:04] <seele> ryanakca: sure?  whatever looks nice and can be integrated in to the content.  maybe not blue
[22:04] <seele> ryanakca: the problem now is the entire left side is blue and looks the same.  so all of that content is at risk for something called banner blindness.  some people will accidentally ignore it
[22:04] <rgreening> Riddell: what is the absolute lock I need to test for with apt/adept/synaptic (something common)
[22:05] <Riddell> rgreening: no idea, try asking mvo
[22:05] <rgreening> kk
[22:05] <ryanakca> seele: sure. I have no experience in usability... nor in graphics design... but I'll poke around and try to get a pretty little graphic made up...
[22:07] <ryanakca> okies, I think that was it...
[22:07] <ryanakca> Riddell, Tonio_: anything else?
[22:07] <seele> ryanakca: i wouldnt say it is a high priority or anything though, just a tweak
[22:07] <Riddell> ryanakca: just that we've had lots of requests for screenshots :)
[22:08] <Tonio_> ryanakca: done or me
[22:08] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I need to see the website to eventually get some inspiration :)
[22:09] <ryanakca> Okies... so if we set the screenshot thing highest priority... followed by the download box... and s/news list/release list + package list/g put off to a later date?
[22:10] <Riddell> yep
[22:11] <NCommander> hrm, interesting FTBFS
[22:13] <NCommander> Riddell, why did siretart believe xine was not responsible
[22:14]  * NCommander believes he found the problem
[22:14] <NCommander> #include <xine/xine_internal.h>
[22:14] <NCommander> Sure, why not depend on internal interfaces to programs :-P!
[22:17] <ryanakca> Riddell: by the way, in regards to the question LP spec page you asked me to answer a while back... I can't answer it... I don't have permissions or something
[22:26] <bdgraue_> a bug of mine was reported as a duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264898  but if i try to look at that i get Not allowed here
[22:26] <bdgraue_>  Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page.
[22:27] <apachelogger> bdgraue_: what was your bug report?
[22:28] <bdgraue_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok-kde4/+bug/274142
[22:28] <a|wen> if you have a .orig.tar.bz2 do you then need to repackage as .orig.tar.gz
[22:28] <apachelogger> oh
[22:28] <apachelogger> weak
[22:28] <apachelogger> very weak
[22:29] <bdgraue_> ?
[22:30] <apachelogger> bdgraue_: the other bug is a private bug
[22:30] <bdgraue_> ok
[22:31] <apachelogger> private bugs can only be accessed by subscribers/bug managers
[22:31] <bdgraue_> mine was private too, i made it public
[22:31] <apachelogger> bddebian: turned it into a public one
[22:31] <apachelogger> bdgraue_: ^
[22:31] <apachelogger> bddebian: sry
[22:31] <bddebian> np
[22:31] <bdgraue_> thx
[22:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: fyi still fixing a couple of kdesudo bugs, I'll try to have a fully working version uploaded this night.... I'm sleeping here, so I'll finally have internet access
[22:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: most of the bugs are now fixed ;)
[22:35] <rgreening> \o/
[22:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: still that focus thing..... kdesu.distrib seems to suffer the same probem
[22:36]  * rgreening sings "su su kdesu-d-o..."
[22:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like a kpasswddialog issue
[22:38] <rgreening> Tonio_ I confirm. THe --password option in kdialog does not have focus
[22:38] <rgreening> the others do
[22:38]  * rgreening wonders if it was intentional? which would make no sense
[22:39] <Tonio_> rgreening: we still can patch kdelibs btw :)
[22:39] <Tonio_> rgreening: I need to read the kpasswrddialog class definition, maybe that's an option.... I don't know
[22:39] <rgreening> oh, I know.. been there and done that the other day :)
[22:40] <Tonio_> seele: is that intentional on the kde side not to have the focus on "OK" for password dialogs ?
[22:40] <rgreening> updated the launchpad integration patch to jr
[22:40] <rgreening> fun :)
[22:40] <seele> Tonio_: dunno
[22:41] <Tonio_> seele: ok :)
[22:42]  * NCommander cricks his neck
[22:47] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: do you think I could get a patch in to adept?
[22:48] <JontheEchidna> dunno if it'll make it in to 3.0 final
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> that being said, when does 3.0 final have to be out to make it in to Intrepid?
[22:49] <Arby> hurrah, finally got the kdepim 'new' bugs list under 30
[22:49] <Arby> only 28 more to go :)
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> yay for Arby
[22:50] <Arby> unfortunately the remainder are the wierd imap issues I don't understand
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[22:50]  * JontheEchidna uses pop
[22:51] <seele> Riddell: what was the final verdict on the logout screen?
[22:51] <Arby> but now I need to sleep
[22:51] <Arby> I've got crash reports swimming before my eyes :)
[22:51] <seele> Riddell: oh, and "log out" in the countdown should be one word to match the menu and button labels
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Adept uses sidebar code from Okular. Currently it's using the old Okular code from 4.0. I've made a patch to incorporate the changes since 4.0 into adept: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/adept3_2.png
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> so no more ugly sidebar
[22:52] <JontheEchidna> I've tested it since around beta1 came out, and the code itself is from the tested KDE 4.1.1 codebase so it shouldn't cause any regressions either
[22:53] <JontheEchidna> compare to: http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/alpha5-adept-wee.png
[22:54] <JontheEchidna> We also get proper background color
[22:58] <jussi01> apachelogger: delayed pl-ong!
[22:58] <apachelogger> jussi01: I need a bot server :P
[22:59] <jussi01> apachelogger: how much traffic, what kind of bot?
[22:59] <apachelogger> not very much traffic, rbot for this channel
[23:00] <apachelogger> basically just watching the kubuntu-members code branches and announcing commits here
[23:00] <jussi01> right.
[23:00] <jussi01> give me package list to install please
[23:01] <Riddell> NCommander: he said ..
[23:01] <Riddell> 21:15 < siretart> Riddell: it seems that this part of kdebase is redifining the keyword 'inline' to something funky.
[23:01] <Riddell> 21:15 -!- ubottu [n=supybot@ubuntu/bot/ubottu] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
[23:01] <apachelogger> jussi01: sudo apt-get build-dep rbot
[23:01] <Riddell> 21:15 < siretart> Riddell: it doesn't look like an issue in xine to me, TBH
[23:01] <jussi01> apachelogger: you are going to build it yourself?
[23:02] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: patch to do what?
[23:02] <apachelogger> jussi01: doesn't need a build :)
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: read on below ;-)
[23:02] <jussi01> apachelogger: so why not just apt-get install rbot ?
[23:02] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: right below seele's ping
[23:03] <apachelogger> jussi01: I don't trust the package
[23:03] <apachelogger> + installing it in a $HOME makes patching easier
[23:03] <seele> 17:51 < JontheEchidna> Riddell: Adept uses sidebar code from Okular. Currently it's using the old Okular code from 4.0. I've made a patch to incorporate the changes since 4.0 into adept: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/adept3_2.png
[23:03] <NCommander> Riddell, it appears he was right about it defining inline
[23:04] <Riddell> seele: I dropped the "Now" from the labels and uploaded what I had
[23:05] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: ever used darcs?
[23:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: IMHO in long term we should get okular and adept share the code
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: nope
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: adept requires some customizations to suit it's purposes, but we probably should get some adept <-> okular kollab going there
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> that would make it much easier as we wouldn't have to update every time okular does
[23:06] <JontheEchidna> KSideBar widget
[23:07] <seele> Riddell: ksmserver5.png with no Now?
[23:11] <goatsocks> they're probably duplicating kontact's sidebar already
[23:11] <JontheEchidna> oh lol
[23:12] <goatsocks> i agree they should get together and push a new widget into kdelibs ;)
[23:12] <JontheEchidna> by the time it trickles down to adept it's probably blue-headed bastardized code
[23:15] <Riddell> seele: I made it a bit taller too
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> :o I got mentioned in somebody's blog
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> http://stompbox.typepad.com/blog/2008/09/introducing-the.html
[23:16] <JontheEchidna> pretty neat new feature
[23:18] <NCommander> Riddell, found the problem
[23:18] <NCommander> Riddell, its -std=iso9899:1990 which tells gcc to ignore C99, and remove support for inline in C code
[23:22]  * NCommander pokes Riddell 
[23:24] <Riddell> NCommander: hrm
[23:25] <Riddell> NCommander: I wonder where that comes from
[23:25] <NCommander> I have NO idea where its getting pulled in from
[23:25] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: that's not just somebody, it's jcastro!
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I should probably get to forwarding some bug upstream :P
[23:29]  * JontheEchidna hugs mcas for doing upstream forwarding
[23:31] <NCommander> ooh, a new bot
[23:32] <coreymon77> wait what?
[23:32] <NCommander> kubottu
[23:32] <coreymon77> i noticed
[23:32] <NCommander> I haven't seen it before
[23:32] <coreymon77> what about ubotu
[23:32] <NCommander> I dunno
[23:32] <NCommander> KDE Bug 1
[23:32] <NCommander> Neither bot seems to like bugs :-P
[23:33] <NCommander> Launchpad Bug 4
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> kde bug #1
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> lol
[23:33] <NCommander> KDE #1337
[23:33] <NCommander> fail
[23:33]  * NCommander loves his new team membership: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clusterfuck
[23:33] <JontheEchidna> kde bug #31337
[23:34] <NCommander> meeeeh
[23:34] <NCommander> I need to write a manpage
[23:36]  * NCommander writes a manpage for adept
[23:37] <NCommander> Anyone know a good place to find documentation on writing a manpage?
[23:42] <Riddell> copy an existing one?
[23:42] <Riddell> using docbook seems sensible
[23:43] <NCommander> Riddell, aren't you a DD? What do you use to write manpages
[23:43] <Riddell> I'm not
[23:43] <a|wen> NCommander: or you can use POD if you want, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/SupplementaryFiles
[23:43] <NCommander> ah
[23:44] <NCommander> I have no idea where this -std flag is coming in ...
[23:44]  * NCommander rips head off
[23:44] <NCommander> ^in frustation
[23:45]  * a|wen has used POD whenever i needed a man-page ... it is pretty easy to use
[23:46] <a|wen> NCommander: or look further down the page about kde manpages <-- /me just realized that section
[23:47] <Riddell> NCommander: kdeadmin uses docbook-to-man for manpages
[23:47] <NCommander> Interesting
[23:47]  * NCommander has to write a manpage for NM
[23:53] <Riddell> NCommander: the previous build also had that -std flag but built fine
[23:54] <NCommander> The previous version of xine likely didn't have the inline state
[23:54] <NCommander> *statement
[23:54] <NCommander> Since compiling that header with the -std=iso1990 flag turns off inline
[23:55] <Riddell> mm
[23:57] <NCommander> kde4/apps/cmake/modules/FindKDE4Internal.cmake:     set ( CMAKE_C_FLAGS     "${CMAKE_C_FLAGS} -Wno-long-long -std=iso9899:1990 -Wundef -Wcast-align -Werror-implicit-function-declaration -Wchar-subscripts -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -Wwrite-strings -Wformat-security -Wmissing-format-attribute -fno-common")
[23:57] <NCommander> THere's the issue
[23:57] <NCommander> And, er, sorry for the flood
[23:59] <NCommander> Riddell, how would you like to fix this