[00:35] <lukehasnoname> My observations of Intrepid: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5843805#post5843805 for anyone who doesn't mind reading a forum post.
[00:36] <lukehasnoname> While I'm a little abrasive, my points stand, I believe.
[00:45] <RAOF_> lukehasnoname: Generally, the answer to your points is "because".
[00:47] <RAOF> In order: 0) Yeah, still open.  It's not as OMGDIE as people make out, though. 1) People who say Wicd is more powerful than NM are lying through their teeth (or, alternatively, have wireless cards with broken drivers)
[00:48] <RAOF> 2) The logout thing that you see is the upstream GNOME default, which we need to patch back to our shiny one-box solution
[00:49] <RAOF> 4) OOo3 has been investigated, but probably won't be included.  Partially because it won't be released before Intrepid, most likely.
[00:49] <danbh_intrepid> RAOF: Im one of those people on point 1)
[00:50] <RAOF> danbh_intrepid: By "more powerful" what people _actually_ mean is "doesn't require working drivers" ;).
[00:50] <RAOF> Also, given that it's not in the repositories at all, Wicd users tend to be self-selecting - if NM worked for them, they wouldn't try wicd!
[00:51] <danbh_intrepid> RAOF: well, I have both issues.  My drivers are supposedly broken (ath9k) and wicd does seem to provide more info, so in that sense, its more powerful.  BUT,  I don't really care.  I just want something that works...
[00:55] <danbh_intrepid> RAOF: and if you know, what if openoffice is released on the date they say, oct 7.  Would it be included into intrepid?
[01:03] <borsanian> hi all, is anyone having a problem with complex character input? I am using Thai language but I cannot put the tonal signs above and under characters.
[01:06] <RAOF> danbh_intrepid: Unlikely.  That's after (a) the Beta freeze, (b) the documetation freeze, and (c) the user-interface freeze.
[01:08] <danbh_intrepid> !schedule
[01:13] <ubuntuman> hey is the new theme called dust?
[01:14] <Xyc0> I am having trouble getting a sata drive to mount in intrepid
[01:15] <Xyc0> lsmod says sata_via is loaded
[01:15] <ubuntuman> really works for me what board and cpu do you have
[01:15] <Xyc0> but I can
[01:15] <Xyc0> 't see the drive
[01:15] <ubuntuman> i even have a viper 10000 rpm hdd
[01:16] <ubuntuman> what main board do you have
[01:16] <Xyc0> does that matter, im using a PCI controller and the module is loaded
[01:17] <ubuntuman> is it mounted
[01:17] <Xyc0> the SATA controller?
[01:17] <ubuntuman> yes
[01:17] <Xyc0> where can I check that
[01:17] <ubuntuman> lspci
[01:18] <Xyc0> 03:03.0 RAID bus controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6421 IDE RAID Controller (rev 50)
[01:18] <Volkodav> anyone has a repo for nightly builds for vlc ?
[01:18] <Xyc0> don't they have a ppa?
[01:18] <Volkodav> ppa ?
[01:19] <ubuntuman> odd beyond my scope then i have yet to hear hide or hiccup coming to hardware related issues as intrepid does nothing kernel wise
[01:19] <Xyc0> Volkodav: Personal Package Archives
[01:19] <Xyc0> I kinda lied, im really on hardy
[01:19] <ubuntuman> volkodav this is for ibex only
[01:20] <Volkodav> hmm I'd rather add it to the repo list and forget about it
[01:20] <ubuntuman> this is a support channel for ibex
[01:20] <Xyc0> but #ubuntu is full of kodec kids
[01:20] <Volkodav> so it will renew itself every apt-get update
[01:20] <Xyc0> yah i know, im sorry
[01:20] <ubuntuman> ibex uses the hardy kernel currently
[01:21] <RAOF> ubuntuman: Only if you haven't updated in the last couple of months!
[01:22] <ubuntuman> there is no plans to add anything to the kernel as it is near perfect and video mode kernel layer editing is not yet supported yet in the main kernel so ibex will be more of a relatively small release focusing on user experiences
[01:22] <ubuntuman> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:22] <ubuntuman> see if that fixes it
[01:23] <ubuntuman> there is a kernel update in hardy
[01:23] <Volkodav> so no fix for skype yet on 64 bit ?
[01:23] <RAOF> Volkodav: Yes.  Use the static binary.
[01:23] <ubuntuman> no sadly the 64 bit is under developed once again
[01:23] <ubuntuman> well skype fixed it
[01:24] <ubuntuman> we can't fix a closed source application
[01:24] <Volkodav> static binary from their site obviously
[01:24] <ubuntuman> right
[01:24] <RAOF> Right.
[01:25] <RAOF> That way it won't try to dynamically load the missing libQT* libraries.
[01:25] <ubuntuman> I tend to stay away from KDE applications as they are almost always broken
[01:25] <Volkodav> true about kde
[01:26] <ubuntuman> skype is a kde application
[01:26] <burner> qt
[01:26] <burner> not necessarily kde
[01:26] <RAOF> For values of KDE equal to "using QT" (like, if my memory serves me correctly, part of Internet Explorer).
[01:27] <eeejay> is internet explorer written with qt?
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> lol no
[01:28] <RAOF> If my vague memory serves me correctly, some of it, yes.
[01:28] <eeejay> i always thought it was wxwidgets
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> are you sure you're not confusing Qt with QT?
[01:29] <thompa> problem here vaio stuck in stamina mode and cant use nvidia now. Anyone know how to redetect this card?
[01:29] <ubuntuman> Internet explorer 4 was written with KDE code but when 6 was released they scrapped all old code
[01:30] <ubuntuman> i actually broke down and purchased nero 3 so i didnt have to use k3b
[01:30] <thompa> it was running nvidia until pulled the switch to stamina, now cant get bac
[01:31] <ubuntuman> what do you mean thompa
[01:31] <thompa> its a vaio laptop with a switch. has two graphic choices
[01:31] <ubuntuman> oh that is an issue in bios
[01:31] <thompa> intel or nvidia ie stamina or speed
[01:32] <ubuntuman> here http://forum.notebookreview.com/archive/index.php/t-256537.html
[01:32] <thompa> ubuntuman: i figured that but now when i reboot it wont go back
[01:32] <RAOF> JontheEchidna: Confusing Qt with QT?  One's a cross-platform development environment, the other is...?
[01:32] <ubuntuman> is this ibex you are having an issue with?
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> QuickTime
[01:33] <JontheEchidna> ah, but that's not exactly something one can program in
[01:33] <Volkodav> their static comes in tar.bz2 format
[01:34] <Volkodav> how do I install it? static skype I mean
[01:35] <RAOF> Volkodav: Extract the tarball somewhere, then run the 'skype' binary in there.
[01:35] <Volkodav> oh ok
[01:35] <DanaG> Hmm, nvidia drivers break other things.
[01:35] <DanaG> For a friend's laptop with that GPU-switch feature, I had to make an xorg.conf file that defined stuff for BOTH devices.
[01:36] <thompa> i just want to go back to nvidia
[01:37] <DanaG> Oh, and this: make sure guidance-backends is not installed -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/257809
[01:37] <thompa> i had it in speed mode, switched to stamina and installed intel, one to the other worked great,
[01:38] <thompa> DanaG: cant find anything in bios, on graphic card
[01:38] <DanaG> It's not a BIOS thing.  Actually, I didn't mention anything about BIOS.
[01:38] <thompa> ii think i have to reboot and have switch in the lit led position
[01:38] <thompa> DanaG: lspci lists no more nvidia
[01:39] <DanaG> I do remember that the switch only takes effect upon reboot.  It's probably on Intel right now.
[01:39] <thompa> yes
[01:39] <Volkodav> this sucker crashes as soon as it starts to log in
[01:39] <Volkodav> this static one
[01:39] <thompa> on install i had nvidia and then decided wanted better battery life so created new xorg file
[01:40] <DanaG> You can actually make one xorg.conf file that will work for both.
[01:40] <thompa> DanaG: when i reboot maybe i got to move switch at a certain time, either that or ubuntu is messing with bios
[01:40] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[01:40] <thompa> DanaG: i know about that thanks
[01:40] <DanaG> Easiest way to use the switch: slide it before reboot.
[01:40] <thompa> DanaG: it wont work if there is no nvidia detected
[01:41] <DanaG> Note that I have a screen and a device and such for each.
[01:41] <DanaG> That way, if one fails, it tries another.
[01:41] <thompa> been trying to reboot but it stays lit in stamina
[01:41] <thompa> DanaG: probably need to flash the bios
[01:41] <DanaG> Oh yeah, one thing you can try, next time you reboot: pull out both battery and AC, and hit the power button.
[01:42] <thompa> DanaG: good idea
[01:42] <DanaG> Oh, Sony may do things differently than the Asus I worked with.
[01:42] <DanaG> That may be a factor.
[01:43] <thompa> i fear new bios flash if i can find one , looks like 2007
[01:43] <thompa> DanaG: i think your right its gotta be power on it
[01:43] <thompa> im going to take out battery etc
[01:44] <thompa> then if that works ill do the configuration to use both
[01:49] <Volkodav> hmm now nvidia will not load in 2.6.27-4 kernel
[01:49] <Volkodav> what's up with that?
[01:50] <danbh_intrepid> I had the same problem.  Im using -3 atm
[01:50] <Volkodav> static skype crashes at lolg in
[01:51] <Volkodav> the heck with it
[01:52]  * Volkodav will wait for beta and release
[01:52] <Volkodav> should square all these out I hope
[02:10] <jaysonsantos> Hello people, I'm trying to configure my monitor on intrepid, displayconfig-gtk does not exists anymore ? How can I configure my monitor ?
[02:11] <danbh_intrepid> jaysonsantos: I think the theory is that you only need to reboot?  correct me if im wrong
[02:11] <jaysonsantos> danbh_intrepid> that does not work, I'm using Nvidia 8 series and a 22" monitor.
[02:12] <danbh_intrepid> does it work at all?
[02:13] <jaysonsantos> danbh_intrepid> Only work 1024x768. If i try to use DFP-0 resolution stay in 620x480
[02:14] <danbh_intrepid> yeah, I have no idea.  nvidia doesnt work for me either...
[02:17] <jaysonsantos> danbh_intrepid> Thank ytou
[02:17] <jaysonsantos> danbh_intrepid> I will wait some time
[02:37] <lukehasnoname>  RAOF: You left out comments on 3). I'll get back to you when I run my own tests, but I was informed by several people that nm couldn't handle my university's wireless authentication (MS-infused PEAP)
[02:38] <RAOF> lukehasnoname: There really aren't any comments to make on (3), at least, not by me.
[02:39] <lukehasnoname> and as long as the gnome-logout thing gets re-ubuntufied to the superior interface, I will be content.
[02:39] <RAOF> Also, you might want to try Intrepid's version of NM; 0.7 has a bunch of improvements.
[02:39] <lukehasnoname> RAOF: I'm on Intrepid, and I still can't seem to hold connection. It might be that my signal in the dorm is weak, I'll get back to you on that.
[02:40] <RAOF> But it sometimes works?  That suggests signal strenght issues.  Which may be drivers, but I can't see NM being able to do anything about it, either positive or negative :)
[02:45] <lukehasnoname> I have intel wireless-N which has open source. And Ya,  I think you might be right that if I can get through at all..  though it might have been local cache. We'll see. But ya, the firefox/flash issue, the gnome logout... and OOo 3 already had RC out, which I would think would be good enough for a non-LTS. Meh. I so rarely use OOo since I don't take writing classes anymore. But it has some really awesome features (
[02:45] <lukehasnoname> I have to go to a meeting, I'll be around later.
[02:46] <DanaG> Are there any killer-app sort of new features in 3.0?
[02:46] <burner> .docx support
[02:46] <DanaG> Can it do the citation stuff?  That'd  be cool if it can.
[02:46]  * burner shrugs
[02:47] <lukehasnoname> plus its interface got revamped
[02:47] <burner> i'm more concerned with getting vlc 0.9.2 than oo 3.0 :)
[02:47] <lukehasnoname> check openoffice.org or wikipedia, they probably have a changelog of new features.
[02:47] <lukehasnoname> Come 9.04 or maybe 9.10 I can see myself moving to get Exaile to be the default music player
[02:47] <lukehasnoname> SOOOO much better than RB
[02:48] <DanaG> I use QuodLibet, myself.
[02:48] <DanaG> It's the only GTK app with a competent file-based view.
[02:48] <DanaG> I don't remember what it was about exaile that I disliked, actually.
[02:49] <burner> i'd use songbird if it could monitor directories
[02:49] <burner> but rhythmbox seems to be my goto... podcast support in banshee is far superior though
[02:49] <DanaG> I organize all my stuff with a folder-based methods, and I don't use tag-based.
[02:50] <burner> ~/Music/Artist - Album/song.mp3 == my "organization"
[02:50] <DanaG> I also have an "Other Unsorted" folder.
[02:51] <burner> i like rhythmbox's smart playlists... latest 3 months of tunes based on file creation is usually where I start
[02:51] <DanaG> I do nested stuff -- for example, a collection with two main albums, and a third two-disk album.
[02:51] <burner> i'd lean exaile over quodlibet
[02:51] <burner> but who am i to judge
[02:52] <DanaG> One rthing I can't stand about quodlibet: you can't 'killall quodlibet'
[02:52] <burner> lol
[02:52] <burner> i would argue that it's more of a problem that you find yourself needing to "killall quodlibet"
[02:56] <DanaG> Well, it hangs if PulseAudio dies...
[02:57] <DanaG> and PulseAudio dies sometimes when I yank my external sound card.
[02:57] <burner> bummer
[02:57] <burner> i just have flash sound issues where it doesn't give any... but other than that, it's all good... knock on wood
[02:58] <burner> *grumble grumble* f'n flash *grumble grumble*
[03:00] <DanaG> Aah, did you do asoundconf set-pulseaudio?
[03:01]  * DanaG now switches to Exaile.
[03:02] <DanaG> hmm, can't killall exaile.
[03:02] <DanaG> No improvement there, but hopefully I'll have less need to do so.
[03:09] <DanaG> Ooh, an improvement: you can skip back to the beginning of a song, and not just to the previous song.
[03:11] <burner> DanaG: what's the asound thing do?
[03:12] <DanaG> It routes all ALSA audio through PulseAudio, to use PulseAudio's mixing.
[03:12] <burner> bad ass.. so flash + rhythmbox might actually work?
[03:12] <DanaG> Yeah.
[03:12] <DanaG> The only thing is, some apps like Skype don't play well with PulseAudio.
[03:12] <DanaG> Wine is one of them, actually.
[03:13] <DanaG> It's gotten better, I think... I don't remember when I last tried it.
[03:13] <burner> aww... i notice that I have to use audacious if I start warcraft 3 and want music after wc3 started
[03:13] <burner> if i start rb, then launch wc3, rb will work
[03:16] <burner> oh man... thanks for that asound thing DanaG.. you made my day!
[03:16] <DanaG> While you still remember to do so, try experimenting with some audio stuff in Wine.
[03:38] <milosz> is Xorg 7.4 going to make it into Intrepid?
[03:38] <crdlb> xserver 1.5 already is, at least
[03:39] <milosz> ah
[03:39] <milosz> just updating again
[03:40] <milosz> ah i didn't realize i'm already running 1.5
[03:45] <burner> 1.5.1 was just released
[03:51] <cwillu> why must I have 'logout' and 'switch user' as the single click options on my laptop?
[03:54] <cwillu> yay, uninstalling <random package that provides suspend+hibernate in one easily broken package, that never worked, or did anything in the first place under hardy> fixed my broken intrepid suspend!
[03:57] <DanaG> acpi-support also royally screws up laptop-mode... instead of detecting battery power, it entirely disables the daemon when on AC.
[03:58] <cwillu> people use laptop-mode anymore?  I thought that was deprecated
[03:59] <cwillu> or are you not referring to /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode?
[04:00]  * cwillu squeals with glee as he installs latencytop
[04:02] <milosz> btw there are icon size issues in the logout/switch user dialog
[04:02] <milosz> brb, relogging in
[04:03] <Pretto> why network-admin is disabled on ibex?
[04:04] <Pretto> the unlock button is also disabled
[04:04] <Pretto> any idea?
[04:04] <lukehasnoname> I just noticed "cheese" is no longer a default app
[04:04] <cwillu> Pretto, you have network-admin?
[04:05] <Pretto> cwillu, yes
[04:05] <DanaG> Nope, I'm referring to the real laptop-mode tool, which is actually useful.
[04:05] <cwillu> I don't :)
[04:05] <Pretto> cwillu, i installed it
[04:05] <SebNaitsabes> will  Intrepid  Ibex  have newer drivers for nivida in the repo that's for legacy  as well as  the others.  since this guy is basically buggered right now, since no money for CD's,  wants loads of Windows crap to run,  Ubuntu noob,  drivers from the repo do not work, offical drivers well  installs and can't get GDM back
[04:05] <DanaG> .. not the stripped and gutted Ubuntu version.
[04:05] <SebNaitsabes> he has no Windows CD
[04:06] <SebNaitsabes> basically he is starting to dislike Ubuntu,  but is stuck with it for now
[04:07] <crdlb> SebNaitsabes: intrepid currently has no legacy nvidia drivers (71 and 96)
[04:08] <SebNaitsabes> crdlb: well maybe he needs legacy or maybe he don't.  256mb  RAM  computer a few or so years old
[04:09] <bsnider> hahaha
[04:09] <bsnider> this is funny
[04:09] <SebNaitsabes> I am really wondering if upgrading it to Ibex will be the magic soloution or if that wil just make things worse,  by  the sounds of it even Ibex will run with  256mb RAM
[04:09] <bsnider> about:yourrights
[04:09] <SebNaitsabes> I  also wonder if upgrading it to beta is to early?
[04:09] <crdlb> SebNaitsabes: it would definitely be too early imho
[04:09] <bsnider> i hope everybody just applied htat fireforks update and restarted
[04:10] <SebNaitsabes> well beta is already feature complete right,   just some bug fixes?
[04:10] <cwillu> SebNaitsabes, probably, seeing as it's not beta yet :p
[04:10] <SebNaitsabes> yes
[04:10] <SebNaitsabes> 2nd october
[04:10] <SebNaitsabes> apparnatlly
[04:10] <SebNaitsabes> ,but with these problems is it a good idea to upgrade to beta or not?
[04:10] <crdlb> ubuntu is on a 6 month cycle, so a month is a lot
[04:11] <cwillu> SebNaitsabes, re: nvidia, you could always try nvidia's official installer
[04:11] <SebNaitsabes> yeah even waiting 6 mounths for a final of  whatever the next version is at the time,  can be a bit long
[04:11] <SebNaitsabes> cwillu: yes we did this, but then  his GDM won't load
[04:11] <SebNaitsabes> and  I am only remote connecting this guy so I can't do certain things obviousley
[04:11] <cwillu> SebNaitsabes, well
[04:11] <SebNaitsabes> drivers from the repo and his  resolouton is buggered up
[04:12] <cwillu> don't upgrade him to an alpha (or even a beta) if you can only connect remotely
[04:12] <cwillu> re: gdm, my suggestion is to have some quality time with the machine, it's usually pretty straightforward
[04:12] <SebNaitsabes> well he is total nob
[04:12] <SebNaitsabes> noob
[04:13] <cwillu> you're the one who's supposed to have the quality time :p
[04:13] <SebNaitsabes> he shoudn't really be using Ubuntu in the first place,  but that's what happended
[04:13] <SebNaitsabes> oh  I have spent loads of time with him, but   I am not sure about GDM
[04:14] <SebNaitsabes> installs offical driver and GDM won't load.  after running the restart command also
[04:14] <SebNaitsabes> maybe it's the wrong driver even
[04:14] <cwillu> define 'install official driver'
[04:15] <DanaG> nvidia.com?  yeah, it won't work -- you have to use the packaged one.
[04:16] <DanaG> And if it's a card older than FX series... you're likely to need the 96 drivers.... which are broken in X server 1.5 or 7.4 (argh, dual numbering!).
[04:16] <crdlb> DanaG: just call it 1.5 :>
[04:16] <SebNaitsabes> I was up for trying the well not impossible, but probably difficult to get working since he has no CD's that's right.  boot a partition from Grub  that is running the tinyxp ISO and then install that to another partitoin
[04:16] <SebNaitsabes> ,but then stupid Live CD.  can't just isntall x11vnc
[04:16] <SebNaitsabes> so he gave up
[04:17] <DanaG> Why even is there that dual numbering?
[04:17] <cwillu> eh?  livecd can install x11vnc, but you have to remember to enable universe
[04:17] <cwillu> because xserver != xorg
[04:17] <crdlb> DanaG: because each component is separate
[04:17] <haydn> Does anyone know how to review the changes made by Update Manager? Thanks
[04:17] <SebNaitsabes> yeah said to him open sources list and that.  is this and that ticked?
[04:17] <crdlb> but in this case, it's the xserver that broke its ABI
[04:21] <pwnguin> DanaG: its more modular that way!
[04:22] <DanaG> damnvidia.  Would it just take a recompile by nvidia, or are there API changes or such as well?
[04:26] <arooni> has anyone downloaded all the updates recently?  is it a good/bad move?  i'm having problems with the daily (last saturday) not acceptin 128 bit wep hex keys... even though i'm entering the right ones, it not remembering what passwords i entered upon a restart, and wpa not working....
[04:26] <arooni> wireless is rtl-8185l chipset
[04:28] <cwillu> arooni, works fine here, but I don't use wep, and I have a broadcom, not a rtl :p
[04:29] <DanaG> I had the same issue with my Intel (2200) until I changed my network profile to be a "System Setting"
[04:29] <arooni> DanaG, same problems as me?  where did dyou go to change that
[04:30] <DanaG> Right-click the applet and go to Edit Connections...
[04:30] <DanaG> I also renamed the annoying "Auto <SSID>" to just SSID.
[04:30] <DanaG> ... because "Auto Home" looks stupid.
[04:31] <cwillu> what new and wonderful thing can I break in intrepid?
[04:34] <DanaG> Hmm, /me wonders what you can do with PulseAudio and a thin client.... perhaps use one to act as a PulseAudio endpoint?
[04:35] <cwillu> I was toying with using my n800 as a pa endpoint for my mythbox so that I could use headphones on my tv late at night
[04:35] <cwillu> couldn't find a working pa package though (although maemo 5 is supposed to run pulseaudio)
[04:36]  * DanaG wishes PA had some integration with the window manager... so you'd have checkboxes for what device the audio would go to.
[04:36] <DanaG> Or option buttons, if you have the "combine" feature disabled.
[04:36] <cwillu> volume control next to the minimize button :)
[04:36] <DanaG> s/option/radio/  or whatever the heck they're called nowadays.
[05:04] <outbri> I'm running alpha 6. my memory is being 100% hogged, by two programs: python and play. neither of them will be stopped through the system monitor, why is this?
[05:06]  * cwillu sighs
[05:06] <cwillu> one can make a snarky reply, in which case they leave in a huff, because you gave them a snarky reply.
[05:07] <cwillu> or one can make a well-thought-out response, that'll get them pointed in the right direction, and maybe even answer their question completely, but will take more than the 3 minutes they're willing to spend in the channel
[05:08] <DanaG> yay: "debian/patches/pulse_update.patch: Latest pulseaudio plugin taken from alsa-plugins GIT. This code update massively improves the plugin's behavior, particularly with some applications that may work with alsa in an unusual way."
[05:08] <DanaG> Is Wine one of the things it fixes?
[05:08] <cwillu> saw that
[05:08] <cwillu> no idea re: wine
[05:42] <TeslaTony> I just upgraded to 8.10, and so far so good. My only complaint is that when I try printing on my HP P1005 printer, it starts, then says "Print job has completed" after doing nothing. Anyone know a fix?
[05:42] <cwillu> s/complaint/bug report/g
[05:43] <cwillu> any life from the printer?
[05:44] <TeslaTony> The HP toolbox has no problem recognizing the printer
[05:44] <cwillu> will it print a testpage?
[05:44] <TeslaTony> No
[05:44] <TeslaTony> Any print attempts result in the same thing
[05:45] <TeslaTony> "Print job started" "Print job finished"
[05:45] <cwillu> including via commandline?
[05:45] <TeslaTony> Haven't tried that
[05:45] <cwillu> usb or parallel?
[05:45] <TeslaTony> USB
[05:45] <TeslaTony> How would I test via commandline?
[05:46]  * cwillu feels a sense of deja vu, but can't remember what he did, and so curses the useless synapse that fired, causing that feeling
[05:46] <cwillu> printing something via lpr (there should be a test ps file, can't remember the exact name though)
[05:47] <cwillu> do you get any life when you unplug and replug the usb cable?
[05:47] <cwillu> (via the gnome printing dialog)
[05:47] <cwillu> TeslaTony, it worked under 8.04?
[05:47] <TeslaTony> Nope. Never got it working
[05:48] <TeslaTony> It says "Device Status Error" if I unplug it
[05:48] <TeslaTony> s/status/communication
[05:49] <AdamMoredo> Hello.
[05:50] <arooni> DanaG, so after you hit edit connections how do you turn your network profiles to a system setting
[05:50] <TeslaTony> No reaction when I plug it back in, even when I turn it off and back on
[05:50] <AdamMoredo> You Ubuntu developers did a great job with Intrepid. I like how KDE 4.1 looks on my desktop.
[05:50] <DanaG> Hmm.  It may take this: sudo /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart
[05:50] <AdamMoredo> Thanks.
[05:51] <cwillu> TeslaTony, take a look at bug #96454
[05:55] <TeslaTony> Would the HP Toolbox interfere with the native Ubuntu interface?
[05:57] <cwillu> possibly.  I don't know hp toolbox's relation to the rest of the system
[06:04] <milos_> if nm-applet crashes, how to run it again?
[06:06] <TeslaTony> alt+F2 then type nm-applet
[06:13] <milosF> TeslaTony, yes, it is working now, but after crashing it just show some errors.
[06:47] <maccam-sager> ok i highly doubt it but is xorg 7.4 going to be in intrepid?
[06:48] <lemonade> i guess not
[06:49] <crdlb> maccam-sager: yes, but I'm curious: why do you ask?
[06:49] <maccam-sager> because it was only released today, which is rather late in the development cycle
[06:50] <maccam-sager> it has much better support for the intel 965 graphics chip i believe
[06:50] <mazzen> maccam-sager: take a look at http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/xorg
[06:50] <crdlb> xserver 1.5 was released on Sep 3
[06:51] <crdlb> maccam-sager: Xorg is not a monolithic release (like pre-7.0 was)
[06:51] <maccam-sager> crdlb: xserver 1.5.1 was released yesterday, followed by xorg 7.4
[06:52] <crdlb> all they do is declare a set of packaged as "xorg 7.4"
[06:52] <crdlb> essentially, everything was already released
[06:53] <maccam-sager> will mesa be upgraded to 7.2?
[06:55] <lemonade> crdlb: aah, didn't know that
[06:58] <cyphase> hmm.. the gstreamer bad and ugly plugins are being installed in the latest update
[06:59] <eythian> when do the Ibex betas start?
[07:00] <cyphase> they're dependencies of totem-gstreamer and a few other main packages
[07:01] <eythian> ok. How has the alpha been going? I'm thinking of upgrading to help test a new hardware driver that doesn't work in hardy. I can handle some breakage OK, but would like the computer to generally work :)
[07:01] <SwedeMike> eythian: I've been running it for several weeks, it generally works.
[07:01] <maccam-sager> eythian: hence the alpha :-P
[07:02] <lemonade> i guess the newest kernel solved the hanging problem with my laptop
[07:02] <eythian> cool, generally working is good enough for me :)
[07:02] <lemonade> i've been using it since alpha 1
[07:02] <mickep> for me, problems with network stability problems was solved from alpha5 to alpha6. Not it runs pretty smoothly.
[07:02] <lemonade> has worked quite well
[07:02] <maccam-sager> i can't wait for the beta to come out
[07:02] <maccam-sager> finally get ubuntu on my laptop
[07:02] <lemonade> only few hickups
[07:14] <TeslaTony> cwillu: Bingo! I got printing! (at least a test page). http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=840507&highlight=p1005
[07:33] <DanaG> Oh yeah, good idea: put a warning about the Intel 82655 Ethernet issue in the topic!
[07:38] <DanaG> "may break your system -- and if you have an Intel 82655 Ethernet Adapter, Alpha 6 may render it _permanently inoperable_"
[07:39] <maccam-sager> DanaG: any idea which chipset that is? is it new? 815? 915? 965? newer?
[07:39] <crdlb> a whole bunch of them I believe
[07:39] <DanaG> It's Centrino 2 (Montevina).
[07:39] <DanaG> er
[07:39] <DanaG> wait
[07:39] <DanaG> 82566 and 82567 are the new one.
[07:39] <DanaG> 82655 is the old (not affected) one.
[07:40] <DanaG> Don't you just love Intel's numbering?
[07:40] <DanaG> The warning on the download page doesn't specify what's exactly affected.
[07:41] <maccam-sager> i've got montevina
[07:41] <maccam-sager> damn
[07:42] <maccam-sager> i was looking forward to everything just working in the new release
[07:42] <DanaG> http://www.intel.com/design/network/products/lan/controllers/82566.htm
[07:42] <maccam-sager> DanaG: do you think it's something that will be fixed soon? i was hoping to put the intrepid beta on here....
[07:42] <DanaG> Wait for the next alpha, and at least the module will be not present at all in the kernel image.
[07:43] <DanaG> I'd rather have no ethernet than have the thing nuke my ethernet adapter.
[07:44] <DanaG> I've always found it handy to have random spare hardware around -- for example, some cardbus wired and wireless NICs, one USB wired NIC and one USB wireless NIC, and such.
[07:45] <maccam-sager> yeah i've got all the new montevina stuff, wifi, ethernet, processor...
[07:45] <DanaG> Aaah: useful doc for the table of chipsets:
[07:45] <maccam-sager> so 8.04 was pretty much a nogo, i didn't feel like fscking with it
[07:45] <DanaG> http://download.intel.com/design/network/specupdt/82567_su.pdf
[07:46] <DanaG> I'm going to get my next laptop with AMT enabled... another fun thing to play with.
[07:46] <maccam-sager> AMT?
[07:46] <DanaG> That PDF has a list like this (just pasting two rows of an 8-row table:)
[07:46] <DanaG>  Device ICH Vendor ID Device ID Revision ID*
[07:46] <DanaG> 82567LM  9    8086      10E5        0x0
[07:48] <DanaG> So, that's a much more readable format.
[07:48] <DanaG> "ICH9" is something alpha testers should be able to figure out that they're using.
[07:48] <maccam-sager> yeah
[07:50] <DanaG> In addition: "The Montevina 82567-LM Device ID (10BE) was incorrectly included with in-box drivers that are installed as part of Windows* Vista* Service Pack 1. Since support for this device was not fully developed for the in-box driver, the driver does not load correctly and presents the user with an error [Code 10 – driver could not start the device]. To prevent the user from having the Code 10 error, the Device ID was changed to 1
[07:50] <DanaG> So, both the old and the new device IDs are valid, depending on the system.
[07:55]  * DanaG goes and randomly pokes parts of Intel's building... and watches as walls fall down.
[07:56] <DanaG> Time to go off to bed (AIM status: "S£33Þing")
[07:56] <DanaG> Yay, unicode.
[07:56] <DanaG> Tue Sep 23 23:56:22 PDT 2008
[09:21] <eklof> Hi guys.
[09:21] <eklof> Just installed Ibex and there is no network manager it seems.
[09:21] <eklof> Is that a known problem?
[09:21] <alex_mayorga> I have nm just fine
[09:22] <alex_mayorga> did you have it before?
[09:22] <eklof> alex_mayorga: in hardy yes
[09:23] <alex_mayorga> according to aptitude is not automatic install, so maybe try an aptitude install network-manager for now
[09:26] <eklof> its on the cd?
[09:27] <eklof> its installed it seems
[09:27] <eklof> will try to run it manually
[09:39] <clusty> hey
[09:39] <clusty> i wanted to figure out if this is an ubuntu bug or postgres
[09:40] <clusty> pg_config --includedir-server should return the place where the postgres dev C headers are located
[09:40] <clusty> but it returns the path with a small mistake
[09:40] <clusty> should I post this in ubuntu or postgres?
[09:53] <ikonia> clusty: whow did you install postgress
[09:54] <clusty> package
[09:54] <clusty> deb
[09:54] <clusty> ikonia, deb package
[09:54] <ikonia> clusty: ubuntu deb package, from the ubuntu repo's ?
[09:54] <clusty> ikonia, yes
[09:55] <ikonia> clusty: I'd report it to ubuntu then, and let them push it up stream if it's not a packing error
[09:55] <clusty> ikonia, oki doki. will do. thanks
[09:58] <clusty> ikonia, this is awkward.....
[09:58] <clusty> ikonia, pg_config exists in both libpq-dev and postgresql-server-dev-8.3
[09:58] <clusty> the later bring the headers in the right place
[09:59] <clusty> but the former has the script but no headers where they ought to be
[09:59] <ikonia> clusty I'd log it against postgresql-server-dev-8.3
[10:00] <ikonia> but thats only my opinion
[10:00] <clusty> ikonia, will do
[10:24] <chronographer> HI. my screen saver soesn't work. it slowly fades to black then pops back to the desktop. Anyone know whats going on?
[10:25] <ikonia> chronographer try a different screen saver
[10:26] <chronographer> yep. tried that
[10:27] <chronographer> still drops back to the desktop when it should start the screen saver.
[10:28] <ikonia> chronographer: have you tried setting it to "lock" on screen saver to see if it goes back to desktop or back to a lock prompt
[10:29] <chronographer> hmm. no, I could try that
[10:30] <chronographer> after the recent update, it worked! but only once. now it just does as described above. I will give setting it to lock a go.
[10:30] <eklof> now it works, i reinstalled network manager and restarted
[10:38] <elmargol> does jockey-kde work for you?
[11:23] <milos_> my usplash is not working correctly. It starts for a few seconds and then it turns off. I have a feeling this happens because of my slow hdd. Is there a way to configure this?
[11:37] <elmargol> isn't jockey the software to install new hardware drivers for intrepid?
[11:37] <elmargol> I'm wondering how I install the nvidia drivers on kde4...
[11:38] <ikonia> elmargol: use hardware manager (the restricted drivers tool)
[11:38] <elmargol> ikonia what is the name of the hardware manager?
[11:38] <ikonia> in kde - don't know
[11:48] <chronographer> restricted-manager or something
[11:49] <chronographer> you can also install nvidia-glx-177 or something
[12:17] <elmargol> jockey-kde seems to be still broken :(
[12:57] <maek> omfg I can't wait for Intrepid so I can use Compiz-Fusion 0.7.8
[13:05] <cwillu> why?  wazzat?
[13:11] <cwillu> they're waiting for you, in the test... chamber...
[13:39] <IdleOne> All right, who broke my sound ?
[13:42] <maek> IdleOne, ur cat
[13:43] <IdleOne> maek: I think you might be right
[13:43] <IdleOne> but I am off to play golf, sound will wait
[13:46] <Pretto> who knows how to solve this vmware installation error
[13:46] <Pretto> from /tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/linux/driver.c:115:
[13:46] <Pretto> /tmp/vmware-config1/vmmon-only/./include/compat_semaphore.h:5:27: error: asm/semaphore.h: No such file or directory
[13:52] <cwillu> Pretto, as far as I can tell, it's a screwup on vmware's end, you'll probably have to contact them for support (googling your error message gave me a handful of posts from several distros that use 2.6.27, all linking back to a vmware community site that I don't have a login for)
[13:53] <Pretto> cwillu, i went    there... no post about the error
[13:53] <cwillu> for future reference, googling the exact text (or some chunk of it) will often point you to an answer
[13:53] <Pretto> i think i know   the problem, semaphore.h is in another directory. not asm
[13:54] <cwillu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/263837/comments/2
[13:54] <Pretto> i will try something here... if it works i will answer  to that bug
[13:55]  * cwillu loves playing "type the question into google, and paste the answer into irc"
[13:55] <cwillu> best. game. ever.
[14:32] <jaysonsantos> Hello, people I think maybe you need reconsider in remove displayconfig-gtk. To configure nvidia with a 22" monitor i need install guidance-backends and dispkayconfig-gtk from hardy. What do you think about that ?
[14:33] <afflux> morning
[14:34] <afflux> I'm not having any sound since the last updates. padevchooser does not list any useful sinks (rtp and combined) and using alsa either fails or outputs nothing.
[14:41] <JontheEchidna> jaysonsantos: displayconifg is a landmine-filled, unmaintained piece of software that was barely hacked in to proper shape for hardy. It's dead
[14:43] <jaysonsantos> JontheEchidna> The matter is, I tried to configure xorg using a lot of options and neither works, so I used displayconfig. That is a great utility for me.
[14:44] <jaysonsantos> JontheEchidna> I'm not the only wich have problems with nvidia widescreen.
[14:53] <Myrtti> hiya
[14:53] <Myrtti> is anyone using epiphany-browser or have it installed on 64-bit?
[14:53] <Pici> Hi
[14:54] <emma> Intrepid is having some issues with firefox, is this a known issue?
[14:54] <emma> Also the ati-drivers don't work. And there is something called nviewer that crashes continuously.
[14:54] <Pici> Myrtti: Sorry, 32bit firefox here
[14:55] <Myrtti> I *hate* firefox and I refuse to use it
[14:55] <emma> I ought to stress I'm not complaining. Nor looking for help with fixing it. I want someone to know in order so that it does not hurt Ubuntu at release.
[14:55] <emma> Ahh. I'm using 64 bit, I should say that also.
[14:55] <Pici> emma: If you mean the proprietary ATI drivers, its a known issue. The rest you may need to search launchpad for.
[14:55] <Myrtti> I'll try the webkit one too...
[14:55] <emma> Okay good to know the ati drivers are a known issue.
[14:55] <emma> There seems to be some issue with flash and/or nviewer
[14:56] <emma> youtube videos are playing with a lot of static all around the edges and often things just crash.
[14:56] <emma> When is the official release date for Intrepid?
[14:57] <maek> emma, October 30th
[14:58] <emma> ooh that's pretty soon. About a month left.
[14:58] <emma> I hope intrepid will be smooth and work better than Hardy did.
[14:58] <Myrtti> ok, it's epiphany itself which is broken
[14:58] <afflux> Myrtti: I'm using it
[14:58] <Myrtti> it doesn't work with even webkit...
[14:58]  * Myrtti reboots and checks if that helps
[14:58] <afflux> (on amd64)
[15:00] <emma> 64 bit?
[15:01] <emma> I suppose since i am using 64 bit intrepid, some of my problems might be specific to 64 bits.
[15:02] <void^> thank $deity, flashblock works again
[15:03] <Myrtti> thank Gaia, epiphany works again, I paniced for no reason ♥
[15:03] <Myrtti> phew
[15:03]  * Myrtti tosses n+1th antacid tablet in
[15:04] <emma> Every time I start firefox it 'greys out' and i have to force quit.
[15:21] <Hew> Someone has questioned me setting the importance of bug 104525 to wishlist. I still think this is the correct setting. Could someone else provide their thoughts?
[15:27] <nbl> hello
[15:27] <Hew> Anyone else celebrating that the giant bug 252174 has finally been fixed? haha
[15:27] <Hew> nbl: hi
[15:28] <nbl> having problems with ubuntu waking up from sleep/suspended state
[15:29] <nbl> im looking at syslog and nothing sticks out
[15:30] <emma> what should you do when synaptic is broken also?
[15:31] <emma> i'll use the terminal sudo apt-get update  yes ?
[15:31] <Hew> emma: broken, as in broken packages?
[15:32] <emma> Nothing is quite working right on 64 bit Intrepid at the moment. It's like everything started falling apart :)
[15:32] <Hew> nbl: Yea, I can't get resume working either, and haven't been able to on past releases too. I'm not sure what the problem is, there's probably a bug report for it somewhere.
[15:32] <emma> when i went to do an update with the update icon in the gnome panel it opened synapic, checked packages but then does not install them.
[15:33] <nbl> i thought i had it working on kubuntu 8.04 kde4
[15:33] <Hew> emma: You pressed apply? Did it ask for confirmation of installing the packages? Did it go through the download/install process?
[15:33] <emma> Did not do anything, just repeated the 'checking packages' dialog box.
[15:33] <Hew> nbl: You may have, but I didn't. Sorry but I can't help with your issue. Perhaps someone else can.
[15:34] <emma> 'reading package information' 'building dependency tree' 'reading state information'
[15:35] <emma> this is in the 'update manager' from the icon in the gnome panel.
[15:35] <emma> it just brings up that dialog box but then returns back to the list of packages.
[15:35] <emma> does not install them as usual.
[15:35] <emma> I'm going to restart the computer to see if that helps.
[15:36] <Hew> emma: I am confused. Are you using synaptic, or update-manager (the icon in gnome-panel)?
[15:36] <Hew> emma: ok
[15:36] <emma> update manager.
[15:36] <emma> i thought they were the same but I guess not.
[15:38] <emma> I'll be right back. I'm going to restart.
[15:41] <waseidel> hi, if somebody can help me I have installed ubuntu intrepid ibex up to date and it doesn't works good my usb ports
[15:42] <waseidel> I mean, I have an pendrive and it works fine but my webcam and a mouse doesn't appears when i make a lsusb  in a terminal
[15:43] <waseidel> hi, somebody it's here????
[15:44] <House_Windows> Yes
[15:44] <waseidel> could you help me with a trouble with usb devices?
[15:44] <waseidel> sorry my english it's not much pretty xD
[15:45] <House> Maybe
[15:45] <waseidel> I have an pendrive and it works fine but my webcam and a mouse doesn't appears when i make a lsusb  in a terminal
[15:46] <waseidel> and they does'nt work
[15:46] <House> O_O
[15:46] <nbl> should i ask help in the main ubuntu channel?
[15:47] <waseidel> i was send here because i have installed intrepid
[15:48] <House> iCan't help you
[15:49] <House> I stayed in Ubuntu 7.01
[15:49] <waseidel> hmmm ok
[15:50] <waseidel> tnks
[15:59] <ikonia> House: ubuntu 7.10 support is in #ubuntu
[15:59] <ikonia> waseidel: what's up
[16:01] <waseidel> ikonia, look i have installed intrepid but it doesn't work with my usb webcam and my usb mouse but with my usb pendrive works perfectly
[16:01] <ikonia> waseidel can you give us a little more detail please.
[16:02] <davismj1> hiii
[16:03] <waseidel> my laptop is a compaq presario f566la with processor amd turion 64 mk-32 2.2ghz, Ram 1024MB, graphics nVidia GeForce Go 6100, wifi Broadcom BCM4311
[16:03] <waseidel> HDD SATA
[16:03] <davismj1> i'm having an issue with skype
[16:03] <waseidel> what else do you want?
[16:03] <waseidel> or need
[16:05] <ikonia> waseidel first of all, what the actual problem is
[16:05] <ikonia> "doesn't work" isn't much
[16:06] <ikonia> in what way doesn't work
[16:06] <ikonia> what are you doing to get it to work / use it
[16:06] <ikonia> what model of device is it
[16:06] <waseidel> no appears in a lsusb begginig there
[16:06] <ikonia> did it used to work ? has it ever worked ?
[16:06] <ikonia> waseidel: ok so lsusb can't see it
[16:06] <ikonia> waseidel: if you tail the syslog and plug it in, does anything get written to the syslog ?
[16:06] <waseidel> yes, but the pendrive i see
[16:07] <waseidel> wait
[16:08] <davismj1> its not working anymore on intrepid
[16:09] <davismj1> anyone know how to get skype running in intrepid
[16:09] <waseidel> davismj1, i have working fine skype
[16:10] <davismj1> おめでとう
[16:11] <waseidel> english or spanish but i don't know what it's that
[16:12] <davismj1> i just installed the new updates to intrepid and skype won't launch
[16:12] <davismj1> well
[16:12] <davismj1> it launches
[16:12] <davismj1> logs in and exits
[16:13] <terminator> I just installed the new updates and xchat will not load
[16:13] <terminator> I am writing this from Hardy.
[16:13] <fserve> my pidgin wont launch on intrepid
[16:13] <Hew> davismj1: skype is not an Ubuntu package, so it's not supported by Ubuntu
[16:13] <davismj1> true
[16:14] <davismj1> is there an open source skype
[16:14] <Hew> terminator: Which updates? Did it include an xchat update?
[16:14] <davismj1> err open source edition?
[16:14] <Hew> davismj1: no
[16:14] <terminator> No xchat update
[16:14] <stevko> davismj1: no
[16:15] <terminator> just mainly a lot of small updates and a kernel update to -4
[16:15] <Hew> terminator: if you type the xchat command in a terminal, what is the output?
[16:16] <Hew> fserve: What happens if you type pidgin in a terminal? What is the output?
[16:16] <terminator> it just hangs with no text output
[16:16] <fserve> wait
[16:16] <fserve> (pidgin:18949): Pango-WARNING **: Error loading GPOS table 0x157f
[16:16] <terminator> I have to use force quit to kill it.
[16:17] <fserve> woot
[16:17] <fserve> now, pidgin is loaded.
[16:17] <Hew> terminator: It freezes immediately? Does anything graphical appear?
[16:17] <fserve> LOL
[16:17] <Hew> fserve: congrats
[16:17] <fserve> \o
[16:17] <fserve> i think that was the new updates
[16:17] <fserve> got 88 updates right now
[16:18] <waseidel> ikonia, nothing apear when i pludge and unpludge the usb webcam
[16:18] <fserve> i'm using newwave theme with icons lock screen, gdm and emerald, is veery, veery sweet : D
[16:18] <fserve> *restart*
[16:18] <fserve> distro[Ubuntu "intrepid" 8.10]
[16:18] <ikonia> waseidel: have you tried this kit on any other PC ?
[16:18] <terminator> yes the irc connection page
[16:19] <terminator> where you select what server you want.
[16:19] <waseidel> yes, because when i was installed hardy i can see it
[16:20] <Hew> terminator: is this xchat or xchat-gnome?
[16:21] <terminator> regular xchat and xchat-gnome
[16:22] <davismj1> Hew: i just found and ran open source skype, works great...
[16:22] <stevko> davismj1: where?
[16:23] <Hew> davismj1: open source skype? got a link?
[16:23] <davismj1> http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/choose/
[16:23] <davismj1> fourth entry on the left side indicates open source editions
[16:23] <Hew> davismj1: that's not open source
[16:23] <stevko> davismj1: Open Source? I do not think so.
[16:23] <davismj1> oh wait no
[16:23] <Hew> davismj1: where's the source code? :-)
[16:23] <davismj1> just kidding! haw haw
[16:24] <Hew> davismj1: good one, you almost got me o_O
[16:24] <Hew> davismj1: skype is evil proprietary software, avoid, avoid!
[16:25] <davismj1> ha
[16:25] <davismj1> i need it
[16:25] <stevko> And why are you/we talking about sjype?
[16:25] <davismj1> its the client of choice at my job
[16:25] <stevko> davismj1: If you need it then use it.
[16:26] <davismj1> i would use a non-proprietary version if i could, if something like pidgin integrated it
[16:26] <ikonia> waseidel if you can see it in hardy, I suggest you log a bug against 8.10
[16:26] <stevko> davismj1: And if it does not work then skype.com is good place to complain
[16:26] <stevko> davismj1: There is not one - main reason being: no one knows how it works inside (except Skype Inc.)
[16:26] <stevko> (or is it skype ltd.?)
[16:27] <stevko> or whatever
[16:27] <waseidel> i'll make it tnkz ikonia
[16:27] <hudnix_> Hi. latest kernel killed my sound. Is this the right place to discuss?
[16:27] <stevko> hudnix_: maybe.
[16:27] <Hew> terminator: Does it work if you just connect using commands (such as /server)?
[16:27] <davismj1> ah true
[16:27] <davismj1> i wasn't complaining
[16:28] <davismj1> just wondering if anyone had a similar experience
[16:29] <void^> use skype-static-oss for now
[16:30] <davismj1> ya
[16:30] <davismj1> thats what i did
[16:30] <davismj1> how would i install that? its just a directory
[16:30] <stevko> Where is Skype in repository?
[16:30] <davismj1> not a .deb and not source code
[16:30] <void^> medibuntu
[16:30] <davismj1> medibuntuu
[16:31] <void^> what's just a directory?
[16:31] <davismj1> skype_static-2.0.072-oss
[16:32] <stevko> look inside, you may find an executable there
[16:32] <davismj1> i can run the binary (is it called a binary) from the directory
[16:32] <void^> where did you get that from? i was suggesting skype-static-oss from medibuntu.
[16:32] <stevko> And?
[16:32] <davismj1> hmmm
[16:32] <davismj1> i didn't see skype-static-oss from medibuntu
[16:33] <davismj1> hmmm there it is
[16:33] <davismj1> i did a search for skype in the synaptic package manager
[16:37] <davismj1> void^, thanks a tone
[16:37] <davismj1> ton8
[16:37] <davismj1> i got it running perfectly
[16:40] <vallhalla82> is there a web address where i can see what will be in intrepid?
[16:40] <davismj1> ya
[16:40] <vallhalla82> ie whats new to ubuntu
[16:41] <davismj1> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha6
[16:41] <vallhalla82> ﻿davismj1: cool do you have the link?
[16:41] <vallhalla82> ﻿davismj1: thank you
[16:41] <davismj1> my pleasure :-)
[16:51] <afflux> wah. I'm getting "aplay: main:583: audio open error: Device or resource busy" when trying to play a file using "aplay -D hw0,0". I can't find any application actually using this output (lsof /dev/snd/* outputs nothing).
[17:11] <Ayabara> !digikam
[17:11] <Ayabara> what's the trigger to check for installed packages?
[17:12] <Ayabara> I mean to check which version of digikam currently in 8.10
[17:13] <Pici> apt-cache show ?
[17:13] <Ayabara> Pici: I thought it was a trigger in this channel that could tell me
[17:13] <Pici> oh
[17:13] <Ayabara> I haven't upgraded to 8.10 at home yet
[17:14] <Pici> Ayabara: !info packagename
[17:14] <Pici> Ayabara: or use launchpad or packages.ubuntu.com
[17:14] <Ayabara> !info digikam-kde4
[17:14] <Ayabara> Pici: thanks
[17:16] <Ayabara> I have a GeForce 8600M GT card. No known issues that should make an upgrade from hardy to intrepid go bad?
[17:17] <Varka_> hello, does intrepid have full support for montevino centrino 2 chipsets?
[17:23] <arooni> has anyone downloaded all the updates recently?  is it a good/bad move?  i'm having problems with the daily (last saturday) not acceptin 128 bit wep hex keys... even though i'm entering the right ones, it not remembering what passwords i entered upon a restart, and wpa not working....
[17:23] <arooni> rtl-8185l chipset
[17:26] <hudnix_> um.. I read that I should submit bug reports through the help menu rather than the launchpad website, so all my system info would be attached. But I'm unable to find the bug reporting app. anyone know where it is?
[17:27] <Hew> hudnix_: Some apps have the "Report a problem" option, but others do not.
[17:27] <ghindo> Has anybody else had trouble downloading updates today?  Mine keep 404ing
[17:28] <Hew> hudnix_: As long as you include the version of the package in question, it should be fine to use https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[17:29] <hudnix_> Hew: It's not an app, it's my sound. I read there was a generic "report a bug" application accessable from the "help
[17:29] <hudnix_> menu.
[17:29] <Hew> ghindo: That depends entirely on the mirror you are using.
[17:29] <ghindo> Hew: Ah, I'll try a different mirror
[17:30] <afflux> hudnix_: what kind of issues do you have with your sound?
[17:30] <Hew> hudnix_: I haven't heard of such a program. For sound issues, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[17:31] <Hew> hudnix_: If you go to, say, nautilus, you can see the "report a bug" option in the help menu there. I believe that's the feature you are referring to.
[17:33] <hudnix_> Hew: Ah, ok, that's probably what it was talking about. I forget where I read it, but it said that was preferred to using the website because then all your sys info is available.
[17:34] <hudnix_> Thanks for the link, btw. I'll try to debug it myself. Sound was working until the latest kernel upgrade.
[17:34] <afflux> hudnix_: I'm currently experiencing sound issues too, so may I ask what kind of problem do you see?
[17:35] <hudnix_> Just the "no sound" kind of problem. The driver is loaded and the card is apparently seen.
[17:35] <afflux> hudnix_: do you usually use pulseaudio?
[17:35] <Hew> hudnix_: No worries. If you're still having problems and believe that it's a bug, report it and use that cool alsa-info.sh script which will document everything for you
[17:35] <hudnix_> Yes.
[17:36] <afflux> hudnix_: try stopping the pulseaudio daemon (using "pulseaudio -k") and run "pulseaudio" from the terminal
[17:36] <afflux> If you see one or more "Device or resource busy" messages for the alsa devices, we're having the same issue.
[17:37] <hudnix_> afflux: hmmm, pulseaudio -k returns: W: ltdl-bind-now.c: Failed to find original dlopen loader.
[17:37] <afflux> that's okay
[17:38] <mnemo> if I have intel integrated network card (with Realtek 8111C chip)... then am I affected by the e1000e bug?? how can I tell if im using that buggy driver or not? i really would like to help out testing ibex but im worried about breaking by network card...
[17:39] <hudnix_> ok, running pulseaudio gives that same dlopen error, two errors about setrlimit operation not permitted, and the following: ALSA lib control.c:909:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL front:0
[17:40] <hudnix_> nothing about "device busy"
[17:41] <afflux> hudnix_: http://privatepaste.com/391Lj0Yh4H -- the messages that seem to be my problem are marked with *
[17:41] <Hew> mnemo: The e1000e module has been blacklisted in the latest kernel update
[17:42] <mnemo> hew: if I do "lsmod" should I see a module called e1000e on vulnerable systems?
[17:43] <afflux> mnemo: probably yes
[17:43] <Hew> mnemo: if you do lspci -n you will get the id
[17:43] <Hew> compare it with the list in my comment https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/263555/comments/56
[17:44] <Hew> mnemo: Note that the list is large to be on the safe side, as it's still unknown if all of these are affected. It may only be a few of them.
[17:45] <Hew> mnemo: and again, the e1000e module has been blacklisted, so if you update intrepid, then you are not at risk.
[17:45] <Hew> mnemo: e1000e will be removed from the blacklist only once the problem has been fixed.
[17:47] <hudnix_> afflux: My output is here: http://privatepaste.com/67CVh0kkt8, doesn't look like the same problem.
[17:47] <afflux> hmmm, maybe I'm just wrong with my assumption.
[17:49] <nalys> hello there, short question, does the new intrepid beta work on a sd card?
[17:50] <Hew> nalys: Beta isn't out yet. In any case, I haven't heard of Intrepid being used on a SD card, but I've heard of it being used on USB. If you can somehow boot of SD, then I guess it could work.
[17:51] <TheInfinity> 7RELOAD STYLE
[17:51] <TheInfinity> hmpf.
[17:51] <TheInfinity> sorry ;)
[17:51] <mnemo> hew: thanks, it looks like im safe assuming your list of pci ids is complete... thanks man
[17:53] <Hew> mnemo: No worries. Remember, you're even safer because e1000e has been disabled until it's fixed.
[17:53] <nalys> Hew: o'rly? http://ubuntu.blog.de/2008/09/07/beta-5-intrepid-ibex-4695043 anyways thanks :)
[17:53] <afflux> nalys: read again. Latest intrepid is alpha 6.
[17:54] <Hew> nalys: ya rly, and I don't read german. Mind giving me a summary of your point?
[17:58] <nalys> Hew: oh sry, completely forgot, irrelevant link too, thats more what I wanted... but you prbably know better, it's just to show you what I meant with beta. the thing I'm downloading right now under the name intrepid ibex, official or not :)http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ but my question is ansewerd so I wont bother you anymore, thanks.
[17:59] <Hew> nalys: No worries. That link is to the daily image of Intrepid. Beta comes out Oct 2 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[18:01] <negge> I have a problem with video playback. Using the OpenGL video module, the video is ALWAYS on top of everything. If I move a window over VLC (or any otehr player) the video appears on top of it. This also means that when I'm in fullscreen and want to right-click the video to change something the menu doesn't show (only for a split second). I also tried using the xv module but then I get weird green/purple artifacts on the video (no mat
[18:03] <stevko> I have different, but maybe similar problem. When playing video in VLC, when other window moves over it, then the place that was covered stays black untill VLC window is moved). Cursor does not leave trail in video
[18:04] <negge> weird
[18:05] <negge> right now when I exited fullscreen the video is playing on top of my irssi terminal screen
[18:15] <bernrdo> hey guys - quick question. I just installed Intrepid on my ThnkPad T400, had to use the alternate CD to get a text install cause LIve CD was crashing due to video driver issues.
[18:15] <bernrdo> now I'm in the shell after the install ... how do I install X ?
[18:15] <bernrdo> and I've heard xorg.conf is gone in Intrepid? How do I configure my video driver?
[18:18] <lukehasnoname> bernrdo: The alt CD installs X
[18:18] <lukehasnoname> so you've booted to your hard drive after installing, and you have no X session?
[18:19] <supertones> when should we expect to see a flash 10 rc package?
[18:21] <bernrdo> @luke: exactly ... no X ... if I type "startx", it says X isn't installed. Werd
[18:21] <bernrdo> i just installed xserver-xorg-video-intel .. i guess that's just the driver?
[18:23] <lukehasnoname> I don't know, but that is very odd, I've never heard of X not being installed like that.
[18:24] <lukehasnoname> apt-get install ubuntu-desktop would probably have X as a dependency
[18:24] <lukehasnoname> pure guessing
[18:26] <danbh_intrepid> bernrdo: you can also use the tasksel command: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^
[18:26] <bernrdo> k. I might just try to reinstall Intrepid from scratch, seems weird that X wasn't installed properly.
[18:26] <bernrdo> tasksel cmd? what does it do
[18:27] <danbh_intrepid> try it, and find out.  You can always decline the install once you see what it does
[18:28] <lukehasnoname> danbh_intrepid: I thought tasksel was more server oriented
[18:29] <danbh_intrepid> lukehasnoname: no, its install oriented, like apt-get
[18:29] <bernrdo> k will do in a sec - I think i got x server installed, but it crashes when I startx .. reding through log file
[18:30] <lukehasnoname> hm.
[18:30] <danbh_intrepid> O M G, I wish there was documentation that I could point people too.  I have to explain this SO many times, the whole ^ thing
[18:30] <bernrdo> this is where x crashes: "(EE) config/hal: couldn't intialize context: (null) ((null))"
[18:31] <bernrdo> running the tasksel command didn't change anything - same as if running without the ^
[18:32] <lukehasnoname> good luck, class is over so I'm out.
[18:50] <DanaG> Wow, I just discovered: the Pro/1000 PL NIC in my Gateway is one of the ones affected by the e1000e bug.
[18:50] <DanaG> http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/96509133/m/302000834931?r=202000364931#202000364931
[19:16] <bullgard4> Will Intrepid provide an improved bookmark management for Epiphany?
[19:22] <Ayabara> any issues with wireless in intrepid? my lenovo r60 keeps hanging at boot unless I turn off the wireless.
[19:37] <Ayabara> anyone running 8.10 with wireless that can give me peace of mind?
[19:37] <Ayabara> I'm considering taking the leap
[19:37] <hudnix_> Go for it.
[19:38] <Ayabara> hudnix_: no fundamental wireless issues? the boot-hang I had at work was a little scary
[19:38] <hudnix_> I don't know. But go for it anyway :)
[19:39] <Ayabara> hehehehe
[19:53] <AdamMoredo> Hello.
[19:53] <ghindo> AdamMoredo: Hi!
[19:55] <Daemonik> How would I prevent users from having privileges to suspend or hibernate the system?
[19:58] <ghindo> That seems more like a general information question - have you asked in #ubuntu?  I'd help if I knew, but I have not a clue.
[19:58] <AdamMoredo> With the latest Intrepid update, I still can't use the device notifier on KDE. I plug in my USB device, the system recognizes it, I can mount the mass storage device, but the KDE 4.1 device notifier applet doesn't show any new devices.
[19:59] <AdamMoredo> Daemonik: One way would be to create two groups: suspend and hibernate, and change the permissions on the suspend and hibernate scripts to group ownership <your group>.
[20:00] <Daemonik> AdamMoredo, If the users simply don't have access to the scripts, they _can't_ suspend or hibernate the machine? This is an NX server which will server over three dozen users. I suppose I should look at which binaries those scripts run and prevent access to them too yeah?
[20:00] <AdamMoredo> Daemonik: Then stick users in the respective groups that you want to have access to suspend and hibernate.
[20:01] <AdamMoredo> Daemonik: I'm not too sure about your exact setup, but I'm quite sure that the general setup I prescribed should work with minor modifications to your setup.
[20:04] <Daemonik> AdamMoredo, I'm using Ubuntu server edition (huh perhaps I'm in the wrong channel), the package acpi-support is not installed, perhaps the users can't suspend the machine. I'll have to do a test when people go to lunch.
[20:06] <dn_> hey guys i am not able to get audio. i am not very adept when it comes to linux audio, not sure how to debug myself
[20:07] <dn_> it's been working, but when i upgraded some pulseaudio packages yesterday and i've not been able to get output since. when i am shutting down it always hangs on 'Stopping ALSA:'
[20:09] <dn_> i've went into preferences -> sound, and attempted tests on all the options. no output. on the ALSA ones there is an error
[20:09] <dn_> audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not get/set settings from/on resource.
[20:10] <crimsun> dn_: which pulseaudio packages did you upgrade, and where did you get them?
[20:12] <dn_> a while ago i was having some issues and i did add a PPA that had fixes for issues in an old intrepid alpha
[20:12] <dn_> i'll find out the ppa now
[20:12] <bsnider> how r u all, ladies & gentlemen?
[20:12] <bsnider> ok, gentlemen & gentlemen
[20:12] <dn_> #deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/psyke83/ubuntu hardy main
[20:12] <dn_> #deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/psyke83/ubuntu hardy main
[20:13] <_Zeus_> bsnider: that was not very nice
[20:13] <_Zeus_> :P
[20:13] <dn_> as you can see, i've disabled it. i used synaptic and was going to see if i could force an old pulseaudio but it was greyed out
[20:15] <crimsun> dn_: eh, you should be using luke's ppa for pulseaudio if any
[20:16] <dn_> lemme google
[20:16] <dn_> themuso?
[20:16] <crimsun> yes
[20:18] <bullgard4> Will Intrepid provide an improved bookmark management for Epiphany?
[20:18] <dn_> upgrading now
[20:18] <dn_> is there a system configuration 'snapshot' system available for ubuntu?
[20:20] <crimsun> dn_: not yet.
[20:21] <dn_> gonna reboot, brb
[20:21] <AdamMoredo> By the way, what's with the imposing landscape-client error message upon (re)starting / stopping dbus?
[20:22] <ute> will nvidia-glx-96 work on intrepid with kernel 2.6.27-4 ?
[20:22] <_Zeus_> i use nvidia-177
[20:22] <crd1b> ute: the problem is that nvidia-glx-96 doesn't work with xserver 1.5
[20:22] <AdamMoredo> As do I.
[20:23] <_Zeus_> !info nvidia-glx-177
[20:23] <_Zeus_> yeah, that's what i use
[20:24] <ute> will there be a fix, or is my geforce 3 now only a piece of garbage
[20:24] <crd1b> ute: hopefully nvidia will get around to it
[20:24] <ute> :)
[20:24] <crd1b> nv works for 2d though
[20:25] <_Zeus_> what's wrong with 177?
[20:25] <crd1b> _Zeus_: everything, if you have a geforce 3
[20:25] <ute> yes, but with nv the cpu usage of x.org is extremly high
[20:25] <gnomefreak> does claws-mail support gpg?
[20:26] <ute> that's the only reason to use the original nvidia driver for me
[20:27] <crd1b> _Zeus_: 173 supports gf5 and up, and 177 supports gf6 and up
[20:27] <_Zeus_> ohh
[20:27] <_Zeus_> yeah, that sucks for you :(
[20:28] <Turms> gnomefreak: yes
[20:28] <Turms> gnomefreak: look among the plugins
[20:28] <gnomefreak> Turms: out of box or another app?
[20:28] <gnomefreak> ok
[20:28] <dn_> hey again, no that didn't help. although setting ALSA in pref > sound and doing a test no longer reports that error
[20:33] <crimsun> dn_: what if you reset them to Autodetect?
[20:33] <dn_> same, no output
[20:40] <crimsun> dn_: in a Terminal, does the following command give you audible sound?  aplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav
[20:45] <bsnider> gnome 2.4 has now been officially released
[20:46] <TeslaTony> When does it reach Ubuntu users?
[20:47] <crd1b> bsnider: in 2003 :P
[20:47] <crimsun> well, components of GNOME 2.24 were trickling into intrepid a few days ago
[20:47] <bsnider> gnome 2.24 that is
[20:48] <crimsun> nearly all, if not all, are in intrepid currently
[20:48] <bsnider> i'm sure the tarballs are being unpacked as we speak
[20:48] <TeslaTony> I'm running 2.24 already. I was kinda wondering where 2.3 went.
[20:48] <Pihhan> hello
[20:49] <Pihhan> do you know if there is way to control backlight on laptops with intel 965GM using xrandr/xbacklight?
[20:50] <crimsun> TeslaTony: meaning 2.23?  That's the "version" for the development version leading to 2.24.
[20:50] <crimsun> that has been GNOME practice for some years now
[20:50] <crd1b> it's the kernel versioning scheme (which the kernel ironically no longer uses)
[20:51] <TeslaTony> crimsun: bsnider said that 2.4 was available. I'm running 2.24. Where did 2.3 go? Apparently it hasn't been made yet, thanks to bsnider's typo
[20:51] <bernrdo> guys - has ANYONE gotten an Intel x4500MHD video card to work in Intrepid ??? even with "vesa" drivers??
[20:51] <gnomefreak> TeslaTony: yes it was in repos until yesterday or so
[20:52] <bernrdo> I just made a clean install - at first x just crashed to a black screen. Managed to edit xorg.conf to use "vesa" and now it loads X but crashes to a 'striped' screen
[20:54] <crimsun> TeslaTony: 2.3 was out a long time ago, i.e., prior to 2.4 :)
[20:56] <Pihhan> do you know how to handle keycodes >256?
[20:56] <Pihhan> i have report
[20:56] <Pihhan> (WW) Sony Vaio Keys: unable to handle keycode 466
[21:01] <TeslaTony> Am I the only person getting firefox updates every time there are updates to download?
[21:04] <crimsun> TeslaTony: probably not
[21:05] <TeslaTony> Cool. It just seems like I'm downloading the same packages repeatedly
[21:06] <crimsun> TeslaTony: yes, I supposed your system could have been hijacked ;-)
[21:06] <gnomefreak> TeslaTony: there was a big bug in ff update this morning
[21:06] <gnomefreak> it was fixed this afternoon
[21:07] <gnomefreak> missing link to be exact
[21:07] <dn_> crimsun: there was no files matching *up.wav so i did aplay /usr/share/sounds/*.wav
[21:07] <dn_> nothing gave sound
[21:08] <TeslaTony> gnomefreak: That would kinda explain it. As for hijacking...it won't take much to make the hijacker regret that
[21:08] <crimsun> dn_: ok, please run the alsa-info.sh script
[21:09] <gnomefreak> TeslaTony: firefox bug was real no hijack as for other issues you are having i dont know
[21:10] <gnomefreak> crimsun: is snd_pcsp still blacklisted?
[21:10] <crimsun> gnomefreak: via module-init-tools in Ubuntu, yes (but not yet in Debian)
[21:10] <gnomefreak> maybe no sound due to that? i ran his command and got sound but i disabled the vblacklist
[21:10] <gnomefreak> ah
[21:12] <dn_> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=49e8c472871a9ebec6be896a1090d245cf7428e5
[21:12] <crimsun> dn_: sec, waiting for xulrunner-1.9 updates to apply
[21:12] <dn_> sure thing man
[21:12] <gnomefreak> dn_: there is a kernel upgrade
[21:12] <dn_> thanks for helping
[21:13] <crimsun> gnomefreak: beyond 2.6.27-4.6?
[21:13] <gnomefreak> no hes running -2
[21:13] <gnomefreak> from this script
[21:13] <gnomefreak> Kernel release:    2.6.27-2-generic
[21:13] <crimsun> ah, haven't looked yet (still downloading xulrunner-1.9*)
[21:13] <crimsun> dn_: any reason you're not running 2.6.27-4-generic?
[21:14] <dn_> no, that is very weird, as i swear it installed a day or two ago
[21:14] <gnomefreak> 2 relelases behind, upgrade might be good start while xulrunner is upgrading
[21:14] <gnomefreak> dn_: uname -a
[21:14] <dn_> yep it's 27-2
[21:14] <gnomefreak> dn_: dod you restart after kernel upgrade?
[21:15] <dn_> yep i've restarted a number of times
[21:15] <dn_> i just looked at my grub menu.lst the one i'm running is the newest
[21:15] <bsnider> root tasks now cause seg faults
[21:15] <gnomefreak> dn_: than i suggest running an upgrade but crimsun may want you to wait on that
[21:16] <dn_> i am upgrading now, but there is no kernal files in the upgrade
[21:17] <gnomefreak> dn_: did you use upgrade or dist-upgrade?
[21:17] <dn_> i used the Update Manager
[21:17] <dn_> any time i might have manully used aptitude for updates it would have been upgrade, but the kernal updates i seen being installed recently were through the package manager
[21:18] <gnomefreak> dn_: than im not sure why you are only person not on updated kernel mayber a setting in your menu.lst
[21:18] <gnomefreak> it was yesterday that the 2nd release of 4 was in archives
[21:18] <dn_> oops, i am an idiot
[21:18] <dn_> i remember i told it not to update the menu.lst. i'm an idiot!
[21:19] <gnomefreak> -4.6 being the 2nd release
[21:19] <dn_> how can i get it to run the post install scripts for updating menu.lst?
[21:19] <gnomefreak> how did you disable it? did you try sudo update-grub
[21:19] <gnomefreak> or was it grub update
[21:19] <gnomefreak> eh one of the 2
[21:20] <dn_> a few weeks ago i manually changed my menu.lst file, i wasn't thinking when i told it not to update the file. silly, eh!
[21:20] <dn_> gonna let these current updates finish before running that
[21:21] <dn_> is there a chance that that will affect my audio output?
[21:21] <dn_> i have found it impossible to switch between kernels and keep my nvidia drivers working, they only ever work with the latest kernel i have
[21:22] <bernrdo> apt-get upgrade performs a full upgrade of every installed package, right?
[21:23] <dn_> aptitude full-upgrade definitely does that
[21:23] <dn_> there's aptitude safe-upgrade as well
[21:24] <crimsun> bernrdo: that's correct.
[21:25] <gnomefreak> crimsun: it does now?
[21:25] <crimsun> bernrdo: full-upgrade/dist-upgrade will install/deinstall packages to smartly fulfill dependencies, but safe-upgrade/upgrade won't
[21:25] <gnomefreak> ah
[21:25] <bernrdo> thx. upgrading my Intrepid Alpha 6 install ... hoping to get Intel x4500mhd to work (X to start)
[21:26] <gnomefreak> ummmmm
[21:26]  * gnomefreak trys to remember the email
[21:26] <dn_> update-grub found 27-4 and says it updated menu.lst but when i cat that file there is nothing about -4
[21:27] <gnomefreak> 2.6.27 introduced breakage to hardware just cant remember the hardware
[21:27] <gnomefreak> intel ethernet maybe
[21:27] <crimsun> e1000e, among many.
[21:27] <crimsun> that problem is already worked around via blacklist and by not building it
[21:28] <gnomefreak> oh ok i didnt see them in the file
[21:28] <dn_> mv the menu.lst and had update-grub generate a new one
[21:28] <gnomefreak> and?
[21:29] <dn_> i added in my windows xp lines to the new menu.lst
[21:30] <dn_> but yea, it's recognizing the new kernel now
[21:30] <dn_> i shall reboot, brb :)
[21:30] <bernrdo> hmmm ... apt-get upgrade is downloading a bunch of shit I don't want (OpenOffice, etc). How do I just update the packages I have installed to the latest versions?
[21:31] <crimsun> bernrdo: you don't have OO.o installed?
[21:32] <bernrdo> I didn't think I did ... does it come by default with Intrepid installation?
[21:32] <crimsun> apt-get upgrade won't install or deinstall packages, so if it's upgrading them, you have them at least configured.
[21:32] <crimsun> bernrdo: yes.
[21:32] <bernrdo> k
[21:35] <dn_> okie doke, i'm on 27-4 now
[21:36] <dn_> still audio issues
[21:36] <AdamMoredo> 27-4 -> 23 hours?
[21:37] <bernrdo> how do I remove Openoffice? I did apt-get remove openoffice.org-core and that removed a bunch of stuff, but there's still tons of openoffice packages
[21:38] <bernrdo> if I do apt-get remove openoffice* it looks like it would remove a bunch more, but it also wants to remove ubuntu-desktop... huh?
[21:39] <eklof> Hi.
[21:39] <gnomefreak> bernrdo: remove OO.o will want to remove -desktop since it is a depends of OO.o
[21:39] <eklof> Is it possible to make an encrypted partition after installation and have it mounted in the boot-procedure?
[21:39] <gnomefreak> although good to have during devel cycle -desktop isnt required
[21:40] <eklof> I reinstalled now with an encrypted / but couldn't overwrite my /home so I was thinking to encrypt it afterwards
[21:40] <gnomefreak> i thought the installation did that now (atleast had an option fo encyrption
[21:40] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[21:40] <eklof> oh yes it has
[21:40] <gnomefreak> eklof: you should beable to but i never tried a whole patition
[21:41] <eklof> ok
[21:43]  * gnomefreak wonders why "can you package this package with a license.txt file" is so hard to understand? he doesnt get difference between copyright and license
[21:43] <gnomefreak> brb while i think
[21:44] <eklof> is it possible to launch the partition editor and make the encrypted partition there?
[21:44] <eklof> Like during installation
[21:47] <danbhfive> gnomefreak: copyright is a matter of federal law, granting privileges to the creator of a work, regarding the work.  A license is a contract, where the creator (or current copyright holder) grants privileges to another, regarding the created work.
[21:48] <gnomefreak> danbhfive: i know its upstream-package that doesnt know
[21:49] <danbhfive> oh
[21:49] <bernrdo> how can I check that I'm using the "xf86-video-intel 2.4.0" driver for my video card? Does it come by default in Intrepid Alpha 6? Or should I download it somewhere and compile/install by hand?
[21:49] <gnomefreak> anyone with extension ideas for backing up bookmarks, replacing bookmarksftp but not firemarks. i need a free license one
[21:50] <gnomefreak> bernrdo: need driver name
[21:50] <gnomefreak> bernrdo: not sure if intel moved to default
[21:51] <dn_> crimsun: after the kernel upgrades -> http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=17bd6457fd415329d932ab2f422be5eb60b33aa5
[21:51] <gnomefreak> bernrdo: apt-cache policy drivername   should give you the version you are using and the newest version
[21:51] <bernrdo> ok
[21:51] <bernrdo> thx
[21:51] <bernrdo> if it's not available through apt then I'd have to manually install it I guess
[21:52] <gnomefreak> bernrdo: it should be in apt
[21:53] <gnomefreak> bernrdo: AFAIK intel support is good in Ubuntu now atleast for video cards
[21:53]  * gnomefreak sticks to the best of 3 evils "nvidia"
[21:55] <bernrdo> thanks - how exactly do I find out what the driver name is? this website (http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_x4500hd&num=2) calls it "xf86-video-intel 2.4.0" driver
[21:55] <gnomefreak> bernrdo: use jockey or envy to set up videocard drivers
[21:55] <bernrdo> aight
[21:55] <gnomefreak> they will provide the correct driver
[21:55] <bernrdo> thx
[22:09] <jack_distortion> hi all
[22:10] <jack_distortion> Does anyone also have problems with wacdump/tablet in alpha5 ?
[22:11] <jack_distortion> I can open wacdump -f tpc /dev/ttyS0 but won't get any output
[22:12] <Pihhan> is working xbacklight control on i965GM in intrepid alpha 6?
[22:12] <Pihhan> it does work for me in hardy, but does not work in live session of alpha 6
[22:14] <jack_distortion> just installed it it works
[22:15] <jack_distortion> hmm wait, I have 950GM
[22:15] <jack_distortion> I guess
[22:16] <Pihhan> can you check xrandr --verbose | grep BACKLIGHT
[22:16] <Pihhan> what do you have there?
[22:16] <jack_distortion> $ xrandr --verbose | grep BACKLIGHT
[22:16] <jack_distortion> 	BACKLIGHT_CONTROL: kernel
[22:16] <jack_distortion> 	BACKLIGHT: 7 (0x00000007) range:  (0,7)
[22:16] <Pihhan> i have Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 0c)
[22:16] <jack_distortion> I have the above
[22:18] <Pihhan> does xbacklight -set x work to you?
[22:18] <jack_distortion> yes
[22:18] <Pihhan> oh, not to me
[22:18] <jack_distortion> :P
[22:18] <jack_distortion> ;)
[22:19] <Pihhan> damn
[22:19] <Pihhan> it did work without touching on hardy!
[22:19] <Pihhan> that damn buggers did report that it did not work for them, now it does not work for me
[22:19] <jack_distortion> lol
[22:20] <Pihhan> i have to set it manually to combination
[22:20] <jack_distortion> i cant get my tablet to be even recognized by wadump
[22:20] <jack_distortion> wacdump
[22:20] <Pihhan> jack_distortion: can you try, if after xrandr --output LVDS --set BACKLIGHT_CONTROL combination
[22:21] <Pihhan> will it work?
[22:21] <jack_distortion> I hate you if N O T
[22:22] <jack_distortion> xrandr says wrong usage
[22:22] <jack_distortion> xrandr --output LVDS --set BACKLIGHT_CONTROL
[22:22] <jack_distortion> didnt work
[22:22] <Pihhan> there is work combination after that
[22:22] <jack_distortion> k
[22:23] <Pihhan> but is on new line
[22:23] <Pihhan> append it without newline :)
[22:23] <jack_distortion> sure
[22:23] <jack_distortion> no it doesnt !!!
[22:24] <jack_distortion> now it works again
[22:24] <jack_distortion>  :P
[22:24] <jack_distortion> try kernel instead of combination
[22:24] <Pihhan> so, your does work only in kernel?
[22:24] <jack_distortion> jap
[22:25] <jack_distortion> whats with yours
[22:25] <jack_distortion> does it work in kernel ?
[22:25] <Pihhan> mine only in combination or native
[22:25] <jack_distortion> k
[22:25] <Pihhan> no, kernel does ignore me
[22:25] <Pihhan> but wait
[22:25] <Pihhan> i have strange behaviour here
[22:25] <jack_distortion> mine doesnt work in native
[22:26] <Pihhan> it does reeealy slowly lower or raise backlight
[22:26] <Pihhan> maybe i should specify time
[22:26] <jack_distortion> hmm
[22:26] <jack_distortion> strange, but gotta go
[22:26] <Pihhan> nice
[22:26] <cameronh> hiya.. my intrepid system has stopped accepting ssh public keys :)
[22:26] <Pihhan> this situation is heaven for maintainers :-(
[22:27] <jack_distortion> yeah
[22:27] <jack_distortion> cu
[22:27] <Pihhan> i guess they will try to fix that bug and make bug for me
[22:27] <cameronh> (From a client system with a usually accepted pubkey): debug1: Offering public key: /Users/cameron/.ssh/id_rsa; debug3: send_pubkey_test; debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply; debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password
[22:27] <cameronh> then it tries identity and id_dsa
[22:29] <cameronh> before failing back to password authentication..... the same client system works fine against any other openssh servers and used to work fine against this one
[22:32] <Bernie> yo folks, so I got Intrepid working with intel drivers, X starts fine now. But resolution is low. How can I make it recognize the proper resolution for my screen? Manually edit xorg.conf?
[22:33] <Pihhan> Bernie: have you tried xrandr from terminal?
[22:33] <bsnider> xorg.conf is a dinosaur
[22:33] <Bernie> will try xrandr, never have nope
[22:34] <Bernie> k ran xrandr and it gave me a list of supported resolutions ... what now? :)
[22:35] <Pihhan> are there higher resolutions that you use?
[22:35] <bsnider> xrandr -s numberxnumber
[22:36] <Pihhan> try xrandr --mode 1
[22:36] <Bernie> yeah, xrandr lists 1440x900 whereas right now I'm at 1280x7nn ...
[22:36] <Pihhan> what does return xrandr | grep Screen ?
[22:37] <Bernie> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1152 x 864, maximum 1440 x 1440
[22:42] <Bernie> I manually edited xorg.conf, gonna try that.
[22:47] <Bernie> ok, this is weeeeeeeeeeeeird.
[22:47] <Bernie> changed the resolution manually in xorg.conf
[22:47] <Bernie> took it fine
[22:47] <Bernie> resolution changed
[22:48] <Bernie> but the bottom bar on the ubuntu desktop is shifted up & left,  like it didn't update the resolution for parts of the desktop
[22:49] <burner> you're cloning to another monitor?
[22:49] <Bernie> nope
[22:50] <Bernie> weird. so I moved the bottom bar and it immediately properly docked to the bottom of the screen
[22:50] <Bernie> the top bar/panel is still shifted left though ...
[23:22] <bsnider> can someone who's implemented the most recent updates try luanching synaptic pplease?
[23:28] <kunim_> hello, using intrepid, why do qt4 apps do not use anti-aliased fonts? (qtconfig-qt4 but also googleearth)
[23:59] <dn_> crimsun: you still around?