[01:04] hello all [01:04] question [01:04] I am having trouble getting my 2 ATI cards to be recognized. [01:05] ATI X1300 PCI-E works. The ATI X1300 PCI is not recognized by the ATI control pannel. === ember_ is now known as ember === hggdh is now known as hggdh|away [07:43] can someone please shed some light in question #44557, or maybe help me input some debugging information about it? https://answers.launchpad.net/seahorse/+question/44557 [07:44] what I really want to know now is: should this question be turned into a bug? [08:00] philsf: I don't see a way in the preferences [08:01] philsf: seahorse --> agent --> cache_display is likely the gconf key that needs to be checked [08:01] Burgundavia: me neither. I'm clueless about it [08:01] checking [08:02] it's checked, for me [08:03] it is not checked for me [08:03] this is a dapper-->hardy box [08:03] unchecking and rechecking didn't do any good (after ssh-add -d, and re entering the keyphrase into the agent) [08:04] what are you running [08:04] ?' [08:04] hardy [08:04] hmm [08:04] if that doesn't work, then it is a bug [08:04] try checking it, logging out and then logging back in [08:04] does it work for you? [08:04] I have no ssh keys currently on this machine [08:04] oh, ok [08:05] could you create one and connect to localhost, just to check this? [08:05] sure [08:05] thanks [08:08] don't see it [08:09] I'll turn it into a bug, then, thanks [08:18] Burgundavia: I just opened bug #273862 if you'd like to subscribe to it [08:18] Launchpad bug 273862 in seahorse "seahorse notification icon doesn't appear anymore" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/273862 [08:25] Guys the tray trashcan isn't changing when there is trash in it but the one in nautilus window does === BugMaN1 is now known as BugMaN === njpatel_away is now known as njpatel [09:07] hi, is the miss alignment of restart on the shutdown menu already reported? [09:07] yes [09:07] bug? [09:08] on launchpad, I don't know the number and you can as well look for those [09:10] tried without much luck, my launchpad interrogation powers are not strong enough yet, thanks anyway, preferred to ask than file the duplicate [09:10] that's icon variants missing, look the human-icon-theme bugs there is not so many of those [09:18] alex_mayorga: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-icon-theme/+bug/267404 [09:18] Ubuntu bug 267404 in human-icon-theme "restart icon has wrong size in "Shut Down..." menu" [Undecided,New] [09:18] òla! [09:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-icon-theme/+bug/269504 [09:19] Ubuntu bug 269504 in human-icon-theme ""Suspend" icon is black rectangle in "Shut Down" dialog" [Low,Confirmed] [09:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/human-icon-theme/+bug/269500 [09:19] Ubuntu bug 269500 in human-icon-theme ""Log Out" and "Switch User" are misaligned" [Low,Confirmed] [09:21] andreasn, you've got them, looks like 267404 and 269500 are duplicates :) [09:25] alex_mayorga: they are not, they are about different icons [09:26] right, well I can confirm both so do I do? [09:27] you can, that will not make a real difference but doesn't hurt either [09:27] ok confirmed, what's a good way to make a difference? [09:30] alex_mayorga: send patches [09:30] non coder... yet :( [09:31] ok so be patient, there is lot of bugs and not so many people to work on those ;-) [09:38] seb128, OK on the restart one I've found the root cause [09:38] v + [09:39] "v +"? [09:39] gnome-session-reboot.svg should be used there instead of view-refresh.png [09:40] not sure where the change should go, that or add view-refresh.svg on the human-icon-theme [09:41] alex_mayorga: human-icon-theme have view-refresh, it only have it in 24x24 though [09:42] shouldn't the icon there be reboot anyway? [09:42] alex_mayorga: I'll let icon guys decide if we want to use gnome-session-reboot.svg or if the theme should get a view-refresh.svg [09:43] alex_mayorga: there is no standard reboot icon, gnome-session-reboot.svg is an ubuntu hack for the previous gnome-session dialog [09:43] oh! [09:43] it's only in the human icon theme, so it would break for people using clearlooks for example [09:44] seb128: Valgrind logs so far can be found at http://www.davmor2.co.uk/firef.log and http://www.davmor2.co.uk/pidgin.log [09:44] off to a funeral now so won't be around for a bit [09:44] davmor2: you need to close the program to have the summary, there is nothing in those logs [09:45] seb128: ah right 2 ticks then [09:45] seb128, andreasn, time for me to catch some sleep, thanks on the patience, guidance, etc and keep up the great work [09:46] 'night alex_mayorga [09:46] seb128: done and updated same links [09:47] davmor2: chmod? [09:47] davmor2: wrong permission can't be read on the server [09:48] ok works now [09:48] should be okay now [09:49] ==12388== still reachable: 6,719,613 bytes in 114,747 blocks. [09:50] davmor2: can you get a new log using --show-reachable=yes later? [09:50] I just add that to the valgrind line yes? [09:50] correct [09:51] seb128: I can set it up now and then upload the logs after [09:51] ok === davmor2 is now known as davmor2-Away [11:48] do you guys have some DPI/font size issues on brand new accounts? [11:49] since we get the DPI from the X server now, for recent laptops that have a DPI value of ~120, the fonts are huge (at least, in openSUSE) [11:57] salut vuntz [11:57] hello crevette === davmor2-Away is now known as davmor2 [12:40] seb128: the --show-reachable=yes logs can be found at http://www.davmor2.co.uk/firef-reach.log and http://www.davmor2.co.uk/pidgin-reach.log === pedro is now known as pedro_ [13:10] davmor2: where? [13:48] seb128: the --show-reachable=yes logs can be found at http://www.davmor2.co.uk/firef-reach.log and http://www.davmor2.co.uk/pidgin-reach.log [13:49] How do I setup a machine with working internet-connection to act as a "hub" for a laptop using a x-link ethernet-cable? [13:50] I'm still suffering from not working iwl3945 driver issues with the 2.6.27-2-generic kernel [13:53] MacSlow: enable IP forwarding on the server and set the server as the gateway on the laptop, but I don't if there is a GUI for it [13:54] davmor2: I see nothing really obvious there and nothing indicating an interaction between those softwares, maybe somebody on #ubuntu-bugs would have some idea on the issue [13:55] seb128: okay ta [14:04] MacSlow, geser: I think the firestarter GUI can do that. [14:04] geser, there's this frontend firestarter ... [14:04] johanbr, yeah... [14:04] but it isn't able to start the cable-bound device eth0 [14:10] johanbr, geser: I do have to use a crosslink-cable, if I connect one machine with another, right? I'm just wondering why I cannot ping one box from the other. [14:13] MacSlow: are both interfaces up and in the same network? [14:13] geser, both use 192.168.0.x [14:13] and both are up [14:14] no iptables rules? [14:14] vuntz, yo, where's the UX hackfest being held? [14:14] geser, I rely on firestarter for any iptables setup [14:15] MacSlow: It depends. Some network cards can detect if you use a straight cable and reverse the signals internally. [14:15] can you check if your NICs show an active link? [14:15] they usually have a LED for it [14:15] mpt: somewhere in boston. Owen is looking for a location. I don't have recent news :/ [14:15] ok, thanks [14:15] geser, johanbr: the green led is on on both NIC-ports [14:16] geser, johanbr: the green led is on on both NIC-ports (on the box with the internet-connection also the yellow led is on) [14:17] MacSlow: What's the output of "sudo mii-diag ethX" on both sides? [14:20] And is /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward set to 1 on the box with two nics? [14:22] johanbr, cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward spits out 1 (enabled then I assume) [14:24] MacSlow: try disabling the firewall in firestarter and check if you can ping the other box then [14:25] geser, that doesn't change anything [14:26] Does the client box have a route to the server? ("route -n") [14:27] johanbr, I would say yes [14:28] geser, johanbr: it's a bit awkward right now trying to get command output of the client box (with only one NIC) to the box with internet-access in order to put it up on pastebin [14:29] How about in the other direction? Does the server have a route to the client? [14:29] 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 [14:29] 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 [14:29] hm... that's not good I guess [14:29] MacSlow: ouch [14:29] don't put wlan and eth into the same net [14:30] I guess I've to put them on a different net [14:30] yes [14:31] geser, ok that solved the ping issue [14:33] MacSlow: but the laptop still don't have a internet connection? [14:34] geser, correct [14:35] geser, afaik I only have to tell the laptop to use the 192.168.1.100 as the default gw for everything [14:35] geser, that's done with the route command aswell iirc [14:35] Yes, but it may not be completely configured on the server. [14:35] have you reenable firestarter (just to be sure)? can you ping 64.233.167.99 (google.com) from the laptop [14:38] geser, no ping replies connect: Network is unreachable [14:38] Are you doing the forwarding over wlan? Or does the server have two wired connections? [14:40] MacSlow: but ping 64.233.167.99 on the server works? [14:45] geser, johanbr: firestarter just died on me [14:45] geser, johanbr: I'm back again with working ping between the "server" and "client" [14:45] geser, johanbr: firestarter runs on the server [14:46] geser, johanbr: and obviously internet-access works on it [14:46] geser, johanbr: I think I'm only missing the default route on the client/laptop [14:47] MacSlow_: that might be (and perhaps DNS) [14:47] geser, johanbr: as it only lists on route ... 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 [14:49] "sudo route add default gw IPofServer" on the client [14:49] ok... no I can ping google.com via the IP [14:50] so last thing would be to edit /etc/resolv.conf with a valid name-server IP from my provider?! [14:50] MacSlow_: yes [14:51] or if your WLAN router does DNS forwarding you can use it too on the client (see the resolv.conf on the server) [14:51] geser, ok ping on symbolic addresses works now too [14:52] great :) [14:53] johanbr, geser: thx for the help [14:53] np [14:53] hopefully nobody will complain that we misused this channel :) === MacSlow_ is now known as MacSlow [15:10] mvo: around? [15:14] where is mvo when you need him [15:15] yes [15:15] mvo: gnome-appaerance-capplet crash on startup here and seing how bugzilla get flooded since this morning I seem to not be the only one, does it work for you? [15:15] mvo: gnome-appearance-properties rather ;-) [15:17] seb128: meh, I see this here too - checking it out now [15:17] mvo: thanks [15:17] #0 conv_to_widget_cb (peditor=0x851bd60, value=0x8515310) at appearance-style.c:763 [15:17] hum [15:23] seb128: there have been changes since .90 and .0 in this area, so that makes sense [15:25] mvo: seems to be an upstream issue, don't bother too much I'll ping them, I just wanted to make sure we didn't break the .glade or something in a distribution specific way to not get an another flameware about distro changes [15:25] seb128: sure, give me ~20min and should have more information [15:27] mvo: ok, reverting http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-control-center?view=revision&revision=8879 fixes it, don't bother I'm on it [15:30] ok [15:34] mvo: Hmm I see you commented in the acpid changelog that you added -D_GNU_SOURCE to get access to some struct's definition (uschred or something); what for? the pkg builds for me without this -D [15:35] lool: its been a while ago, maybe it was a problem with the toolchain back then? if it works fine now, then just remove it again :) [15:35] mvo: I was preparing a Debian upload, so I'll just not merge it [15:35] lool: ok, thanks [15:36] Wont merge for Ubuntu now, too intrusive for intrepid [15:36] lool: care to include this bugfix I'm just testing? [15:37] james_w: With pleasure [15:37] lool: I was about to forward the patch, but if you can take it directly that will save time [15:37] I can [15:41] mvo: in appearance-style.c [15:41] - create_thumbnail (curr_value, thumbnail, data); [15:41] + if (data) [15:41] + create_thumbnail (curr_value, thumbnail, data); [15:41] hi...can any body say me about setting dialup account in ubuntu through bluetooth modem in mobile ubottu ? [15:41] mvo: does that look good to you? I'm not sure to understand the g_object_get_data (G_OBJECT (peditor), "app_data"); and why data is null but that fixes the crash [15:41] star: hello, that's not an user channel, try #ubuntu [15:43] there is no reply for my query in ubuntu... so only i tried this... can u help ,me? [15:44] no [15:44] y [15:44] I've no dialup account, no bluetooth modem and that's not the right channel [15:44] u dont know ? [15:44] no [15:45] k... what this channel deals with ? [15:45] seb128: that will work, the issue is that in the function cerate_thumbnail data-> something is accessed and that (of course) crashes for NULL. how this is a bit strnage [15:45] seb128: g_object_set_data is called earlier on the peditor, I wonder if there is some sort of timing problem (read before initial write) [15:46] (well, not timing, ordering) [15:46] anyway, I think your patch is fine if we get a lot of crashes currently [15:46] mvo: it seems to crash on startup for everybody yes [15:47] mvo: well, "data = g_object_get_data (G_OBJECT (peditor), "app_data");" I'm not sure what app_data is and why it returns null in some cases there [15:47] mvo: ie, I'm not sure we should look at why that value is null sometimes or just don't create the thumbnails in such cases [15:49] seb128: I think the reason is that preditor gets the callbacks when it is created, but after the creation the g_object_set_data() is called and app_data is initialized. I think we should go with your fix and let upstream decide if there is more to it [15:50] s/but after/but only after/ [15:50] ok, will do that then [15:50] I attached my patch to the upstream bug [15:50] vuntz_: read that too? [15:50] right [15:50] thanks for taking care of it seb128! [15:51] seb128: will you check it into bzr or should I do that? [15:54] seb128: I came to the same conclusion as mvo, although that's just a guess [15:54] vuntz_: I'm wondering how come nobody noticed in a month, but maybe nobody is running svn, or there is a theme or something installed on ubuntu which trigger the issue [15:55] lool: my patch is in bug 263888, let me know if there is any merging to do [15:55] Launchpad bug 263888 in acpid "acpid killed by default logrotate script" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263888 [15:55] seb128: I'd think that something specific in ubuntu triggers this [15:55] james_w: that's not really a desktopish bug ;-) [15:56] vuntz_: ok, will patch the ubuntu package then and let fizz or rodrigo comment upstream on the bug [15:56] * james_w un-installs acpid from seb128's desktop to see what happens [15:56] james_w: you can claim libc6 is desktop using the say argument ;-) [15:57] same rather ;-) [15:57] libc6 *is* desktop [15:57] see! [15:57] well, I'll claim that if you'll maintain it :-) [15:58] * seb128 starts running [16:01] james_w: Sorry, had a phone call, looking now === vuntz_ is now known as vuntz [16:03] james_w: attachment? [16:03] james_w: Don't see the change :-/ [16:03] lool: damn, sorry, refresh [16:04] Got it now, thanks [16:05] james_w: Not sure why we'd want to conditionalize on the version number [16:05] james_w: I'm curious why you didn't name it rm_conffile? :) [16:06] I conditionalized the version number just because I try and be very conservative with these things, but I agree that it's probably not needed [16:06] james_w: Ah, I think it'd be best to use dpkg-query [16:06] james_w: I was like you in the past, and some day I met Ian Jackson [16:06] and I renamed the function just on the off chance anyone actually wanted to use the real rm_conffile [16:07] For some reason, he made me realizes we should check for facts and not use version numbers as proxies [16:07] *realize [16:07] james_w: Why not use dpkg-query? [16:07] yeah, I agree, but I don't see the harm in the version check as well. [16:07] dpkg-query for what? [16:07] To get the md5 [16:07] old_md5sum="`dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}' $PKGNAME | sed -n -e \"\\\\' $CONFFILE '{s/ obsolete$//;s/.* //p}\"`" [16:08] james_w: dpkg merges the md5s, even if you upgrade to a package without them [16:09] because I didn't think that the md5 would still be recorded [16:09] james_w: So the MD5 should still be usable from dpkg-query [16:10] can you confirm that "dpkg-query -W -f='${Conffiles}' acpid" returns a value for /etc/logrotate.d/acpid on your machine? [16:10] james_w: It does not, but I have other files which aren't in the package anymore :) [16:10] james_w: I have /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh 4a47848857665e6aff52ec15fac5bcc1 obsolete [16:10] /etc/acpi/events/powerbtn 57f021ab2369f211018d6e7d11434314 obsolete% 2008/09/24 17:10:48 | pts/0 | zsh/5 [16:11] Ah sorry for the \n [16:11] everything dpkg-query reports is installed for me [16:12] (this is on Debian BTW) [16:12] let me check another machine [16:12] On ubuntu, I do get: /etc/logrotate.d/acpid df7469c58992aed179a5c30148b3da79 obsolete [16:12] and /etc/acpi/events/powerbtn 57f021ab2369f211018d6e7d11434314 /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh 4a47848857665e6aff52ec15fac5bcc1 [16:12] still real files [16:13] james_w: Where did you take previous versions of the files from BTW? [16:13] old source packages [16:13] I could only find two versions of the file [16:15] Any version in particular? Did you go back to etch/hardy for instance? [16:15] I grabbed a few versions from launchpad, including the oldest they had [16:15] james_w: I'm not sure there's any value in listing an old md5 of the vanilla conffile though [16:16] james_w: if the conffile was unchanged, then it was superseded by the new one on upgrade [16:16] dpkg-query does the right thing, so I think we should just use that, so I agree [16:16] Yeah [16:17] seb128: did you patch g-c-c with your patch? [16:17] vuntz: no, I attached it to bugzilla and I'm patching the ubuntu package now [16:18] seb128: want to try another patch? :-) [16:18] oh, well, it's the same, I guess [16:18] doesn't matter [16:18] vuntz: if you want [16:19] james_w: Just FYI, no ;; in case statement is a bit weird, but also present on Debian's wiki [16:19] seb128: nah, ignore me [16:19] james_w: Don't bother preparing a new patch, will just use rm_conffile [16:19] vuntz: ok [16:19] lool: cool, works for me [16:28] james_w: Would you like to upload the Ubuntu change? [16:28] james_w: I've committed the change to the Debian tree, and can either let you prepare the Ubuntu upload or do it, as you like [16:29] lool: I don't have upload rights [16:29] james_w: I meant .dsc [16:29] I'm happy to prepare the change and seek sponsorship if you like [16:29] As to get your name in a bigger number of uploads so to speak [16:29] sure :-) [16:30] james_w: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-acpi/acpid.git;a=commit;h=ad81211857dabeb88538e0f90c922b7c787b34c5 [16:30] james_w: But it's not suitable for Ubuntu to drop the other two files [16:30] james_w: Just throw a debdiff or dsc + diffgz when you like sponsoring [16:30] thanks loo [16:31] oops, lool :-) [16:32] I'm afk for a reboot to test the new package [17:06] * mvo is away for ~ 2h [17:11] tedg: hi, there is a gnome-screensaver update if you didn't notice yet ;-) [17:11] didrocks: did you see my comment about gconf-editor? [17:12] slomo: any news about the cairo update? [17:19] fta: want to do the cairo ubuntu update? slomo seems to be busy and the intrepid beta freeze is tomorrow [17:23] seb128: how does 2.24 look for you? No big issue apart the control center one? [17:23] vuntz: no real issue no [17:24] vuntz: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=553418 got quite some duplicate because we use the applet by default but I backported the svn change [17:24] Gnome bug 553418 in trash applet "trashapplet crashed with SIGSEGV in g_icon_equal()" [Critical,Resolved: fixed] [17:25] mmh [17:26] worth a new tarball [17:26] but I'd guess that Callum sleeps now :/ [18:06] seb128: xcb doesn't build and i didn't look closer yet [18:06] seb128: don't wait for me [18:26] is anybody running with gvfs 1.0.1 (if it was already packaged)? [18:30] It's been packaged 3 and half hours ago [18:37] seb128: the new logout dialog stuff is in gnome-sesion right? [19:02] seb128: bug 274075 [19:02] Launchpad bug 274075 in gnome-screensaver "Please sponsor 2.24.0-0ubuntu1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/274075 === njpatel is now known as njpatel_away [19:26] seb128: does trash with gvfs 1.0.1 work for you? [19:49] vuntz: yes, delete moves items to the trash and emptying it or undeleting works correctly [19:49] tedg: ok thanks [19:49] Keybuk: yes, why? it's not upstream though [19:49] seb128: I filed a bug ;) [19:50] seb128: ok, cool [19:50] seb128: not working in my jhbuild, but it looks like a local issue with my jhbuilt GNOME [19:50] vuntz: ok [19:50] Keybuk: duplicates [19:51] seb128: of, couldn't see the report? [19:51] Keybuk: mpt reported those bugs a while ago, they got reassigned to human-icon-theme though since that's due to a lack of proper icons for those icons in the theme [19:51] cuold you make sure that bug is targeted for intrepid? [19:52] will do, I was going to raise the issue tomorrow at the meeting [19:52] not sure what is the process to get icons designed ;-) [19:52] I just know I'm not an artwork guy so I'll not be doing those [19:53] I asked mpt if he could talk to the right people to get that happen yesterday though [19:55] Keybuk: bug #269500 and bug #269502 [19:55] Launchpad bug 269500 in human-icon-theme ""Log Out" and "Switch User" are misaligned" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269500 [19:55] Launchpad bug 269502 in human-icon-theme ""Restart" is misaligned with other options in "Shut Down" dialog" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269502 [19:57] thanks [21:09] Ampelbein: want some update to do? ;-) [21:09] didrocks: did you read my comment about gconf-editor? [21:17] fta_: did you read my comment about cairo? [22:05] Keybuk: I'm not sure to understand your new gnome-session bug, is that about the option missing or the icon? [22:06] the option [22:06] Keybuk: does gnome-power-manager give you the option? [22:07] the session dialog only lists the available option [22:07] try using the icon [22:08] ok, gnome power manager doesn't have the icon [22:08] should it have an icon? [22:08] ie. why can't I suspend? [22:09] that is a good question, I would say either linux or gnome-power-manager bug [22:09] that's similar to bug #274080 [22:10] Keybuk: maybe try running gnome-power-manager --verbose --nodaemon and look at the log [22:11] "We are not a laptop, so not even trying" maybe ? [22:11] could be [22:12] I'm on my laptop right now which still have the options [22:12] tedg: did you read about such issue? the new gpm had quite some changes [22:13] Keybuk: bug #274146 will be tricky to solve, not the first time we have similar issues, I was thinking about it today [22:13] Keybuk: the gnome-panel layout is user configuration [22:13] *nods* [22:14] seb128: What's the issue? That it doesn't think you can suspend? [22:14] we could replace the old applet by the new fusa and deprecated the old fusa [22:14] that would handle this case [22:14] but would break for people who have a fuse on their panel only for example [22:14] should work, yeah [22:14] they would have nothing after upgrade [22:15] tedg: right [22:16] For the most part GPM just asks HAL. Let me look up the key. [22:16] seb128: libgnomeprint{,ui} waiting for sponsorship in Debian [22:16] pochu: I've noticed thanks [22:16] Migrating user config will be a trick for panel applets. We could say "if they've never changed it", but I'm not sure that's valid either. [22:18] there is no easy way to know if they never changed [22:18] and that's never going to happen [22:18] almost everybody moves something once and try an another applet once [22:20] Keybuk: $ hal-device | grep power_management.can_suspend [22:22] I'm not sure what the right upgrade path is. [22:22] I think it's something to bring up at the User Experience Hackfest. [22:23] I'm personally more concerned about people who removed the old, bad, FUSA applet and aren't going to get the new, beautiful one ;) [22:23] tedg: do you plan to add some icons for the actions in the menu btw? [22:23] I've to admit I find it not very nice to look at at the moment [22:25] seb128: No, my current "scheduler of tasks" (not boss mind you :) thinks that looks very clean. [22:26] * tedg is very excited to have a boss and scheduler all in one in a couple weeks. [22:27] and any plan to change the padding? the icon is not really in the corner and that looks weird [22:28] tedg: let's wait on user comment, I don't like it because of the lack of icons, it makes me unsure of the option to pick, graphics makes things some much easier than having to read the option [22:30] Hmm, I liked the padding. I feel like things get to cozy up there in the corner. [22:30] I'm feeling a little bit of hands tied, as it is UI freeze though. [22:30] There'll have to be some outcry. [22:31] It is theoretically UI frozen for Intrepid. [22:32] well, that doesn't mean we can't fix bugs [22:33] Hi all, sorry if i'm in the wrong channel. I'd like to talk about the gspcav2 driver and about the webcams apps. There is a serious problem about the packahe libv4l not in Debian (so not in Intrepid). Is it the right place to talk about it ? [22:34] that's the wrong channel as you said [22:34] no [22:34] seb128: Heh, yes. But I was trying not to use that excuse too much. Don't want to piss off that Ubuntu Platform Team ;) [22:34] seb128: They're a tough upstream. [22:35] thanks seb128, where can I talk about cheese and camorama ? [22:36] you can try #ubuntu-devel but send a mail to the ubuntu-devel or ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list is a better option [22:37] thanks seb128 [22:38] you're welcome === fta_ is now known as fta [22:41] hi [22:41] seb128, which comment ? [22:41] fta: hey, could you look at the cairo update? beta freeze is tomorrow and it's likely debian will get it before that [22:42] seb128, you mean unlikely right? sure, i can do it, is pixman already in? [22:42] right [22:42] fta: yes, I synced it on monday [22:43] cool [23:13] seb128: if the update is still left to do, i'm ready now [23:14] Ampelbein: http://download.gnome.org/sources/gnome-media/2.24/gnome-media-2.24.0.1.tar.gz [23:14] k [23:38] Ampelbein: #208597 is also an easy fix, might be worth to consider updating to the current debian version though [23:38] looking [23:39] hmm. i think i could fix it. is a sync with debian easier? [23:40] debian has a newer version, I've no real opinion on it [23:40] but otherwise the patch is probably trivial, just the .desktop to change [23:40] i'll look into the package what fixes are existent in ubuntu compared to the debian version [23:41] ok [23:41] i could first create a fixed version of the package then we could think about syncing with debian [23:41] Ampelbein: I'm about to go to bed, is the gnome-media update almost ready? [23:41] still building. [23:41] ie should I wait and sponsor this one and let that for tomorrow ;-) [23:41] bug 274180, should be 5 mins [23:41]