[00:09] <stweston> anyone know how to install xubuntu while changing the boot operations?
[00:09] <stweston> to prevent initramfs?
[00:09] <stweston> sorry. I need to go...
[00:38] <stweston> I need help getting the initramfs prompts to stop. I'm trying to install Xubuntu Hardy, and this always happens.
[01:36] <CIA-50> casper: TheMuso * r541 casper/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
[01:36] <CIA-50> casper: * scripts/casper-bottom/30accessibility &
[01:36] <CIA-50> casper:  ubiquity-hooks/30accessibility: Change the way that orca is set to
[01:36] <CIA-50> casper:  automatically start. Orca can be started via a gconf key, however this
[01:36] <CIA-50> casper:  is not reflected in the orca UI, and doesn't easily allow the user to
[01:36] <CIA-50> casper:  prevent orca from autostarting on an installed system.
[01:37] <CIA-50> casper: TheMuso * r542 casper/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.143
[08:02] <gane> cjwatson, i took screnshot for the error of running ubiquity on my desktop .. how to send this file to you
[09:05] <xivulon> was testing today's daily and there is a ubiquity error: /usr/bin/ubiquity-dm line 179
[09:05] <xivulon> one ")" too much
[09:08] <xivulon> well the daily is 23092008
[09:58] <cjwatson> gane: *not* by DCC.
[09:58] <cjwatson> gane: put it on some website
[09:59] <cjwatson> xivulon: erk, thanks, will fix
[10:13] <gane> cjwatson, can you tell the website
[10:13] <cjwatson> no. some website that *you* can upload files to
[10:13] <gane> cjwatson, pastebin.com takes only text files
[10:18] <cjwatson> I'm afraid you'll have to look around
[10:19] <cjwatson> your attempts to DCC it to me were (a) unwelcome (DCC is a well-known vector for malware) and (b) malformed (they came from 0.0.0.199 port 0 which isn't going to work ...)
[11:08] <gane> give me your mail id .. i send you through yousendit.com
[11:09] <gane> cjwatson, give me your mail id .. i send you through yousendit.com
[11:09] <cjwatson> no, I don't accept that
[11:09] <cjwatson> I'm not prepared to provide personal support for your modified image
[11:09] <cjwatson> sorry
[11:09] <gane> cjwatson, then what i have to do
[11:09] <cjwatson> you modified the image; figure out what modifications caused the problem
[11:10] <gane> cjwatson, ok i just tell the err what i got
[11:10] <cjwatson> if and only if it is reproducible on an image we ship, then file a bug report on Ubuntu's ubiquity package
[11:11] <gane> error " you entered an empty password , which is not allowed . Please choose a non-empty password"
[11:12] <gane> cjwatson, this error im getting after creating a partition .. just click on forward
[11:12] <cjwatson> are you preseeding ubiquity?
[11:13] <cjwatson> what modifications are you making?
[11:13] <cjwatson> let me be very clear: this doesn't happen with standard Ubuntu
[11:14] <cjwatson> at least not outside potentially broken development versions, but I've not heard of this problem even there; certainly not with the 8.04 release
[11:15] <gane> i just modified gdm by 2.6.20 & some modifications but i not changed the ubiquity
[11:16] <cjwatson> gane: please try to reproduce this problem on standard Ubuntu
[11:16] <cjwatson> I cannot help you with your modified image
[11:17] <cjwatson> if standard Ubuntu works, then you must have broken it somehow, but I'm afraid I simply do not have the time to help you figure it out
[11:17] <gane> cjwatson, i always customise the ubuntu & i succed , this time all applications are working but ubiquity is not
[11:19] <gane> cjwatson, it is crossing 5 steps without any mistake .. previously problem with creation of partition .. now that isworking fine .. that also i solved with your help
[11:34] <CIA-50> debian-installer-utils: cjwatson * r662 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog list-devices): merge from lp:~tormodvolden/debian-installer-utils/usb-drive-install
[12:09] <gane> cjwatson, can you see the image http://www.badongo.com/en/index.php?page=upload_s_complete&s=&msg=Click+here+to+view+your+uploaded+image&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.badongo.com%2Fpic%2F4512527&url_kill=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.badongo.com%2Fdelete%2Fpic%2Fsr38jqzh%2F4512527&affiliate=&thumb=1
[12:10] <cjwatson> I can, but doesn't tell me much more than the error message you quoted
[12:10] <cjwatson> I repeat my previous request
[12:10] <cjwatson> 11:16 <cjwatson> gane: please try to reproduce this problem on standard Ubuntu
[12:11] <cjwatson> 11:16 <cjwatson> I cannot help you with your modified image
[12:11] <cjwatson> 11:17 <cjwatson> if standard Ubuntu works, then you must have broken it somehow, but I'm afraid I simply do not have the time to help you figure it out
[12:12] <cjwatson> read http://www.troubleshooters.com/tuni.htm particularly http://www.troubleshooters.com/ustep6.htm
[12:18] <CIA-50> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2845 ubiquity/ (bin/ubiquity-dm debian/changelog):
[12:18] <CIA-50> ubiquity: Remove stray closing parenthesis in ubiquity-dm (thanks, Agostino
[12:18] <CIA-50> ubiquity: Russo).
[12:21] <CIA-50> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2846 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.9.19
[12:24] <CIA-50> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2847 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog):
[12:24] <CIA-50> ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: partman-base 121ubuntu6,
[12:24] <CIA-50> ubiquity: partman-ext3 52ubuntu2, partman-reiserfs 41ubuntu2, yaboot-installer
[12:24] <CIA-50> ubiquity: 1.1.12ubuntu2.
[12:31] <CIA-50> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2848 ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/kde_ui.py: duplication left over from initial work
[12:32] <CIA-50> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2849 ubiquity/scripts/mythbuntu/apply-drivers: grammar
[12:34] <TheMuso> cjwatson: I saw your note in a recent ubiquity upload about possible accessibility breakage. I'll have a look at that tomorrow and fix it if need be. I am not really bothered if it doesn't land for beta, but for final release would be good.
[12:35]  * cjwatson nods
[12:35] <cjwatson> make sure you're using 1.9.19 that I'm about to upload; xivulon pointed out a syntax error in 1.9.18 :-/
[12:35] <TheMuso> Will do.
[12:37] <CIA-50> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2850 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.9.19
[17:30] <kirkland> cjwatson: in the tasksel sources, what's the difference between the tasks/ dir, and the ubuntu-tasks/ dir?
[17:30] <cjwatson> tasks/ => Debian
[17:30] <kirkland> cjwatson: i'm guessing tasks/ is what we inherit from debian?
[17:30] <cjwatson> I just left it alone rather than dealing with merging it all the time
[17:31] <kirkland> cjwatson: okay, dendrobates has asked me to add ubuntu-tasks/virtualization-host: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/50184/
[17:32] <kirkland> cjwatson: i'll get you a bzr branch in a few minutes, but does that pastebin look okay?
[17:34] <kirkland> cjwatson: ubuntu-virt-server is a simple meta package in universe, that I'm MIR-bugging in parallel, just depends on kvm, libvirt-bin, openssh-server
[17:34] <cjwatson> don't do it in tasksel
[17:35] <kirkland> cjwatson: okay...  where?
[17:35] <cjwatson> adding files to ubuntu-tasks/ manually constitutes a bug
[17:35] <cjwatson> do it in the seeds
[17:35] <cjwatson> see e.g. Chuck's tomcat-server change recently
[17:35] <kirkland> cjwatson: k
[17:35] <cjwatson> and if you're doing that, why have a metapackage, why not just have virtualization-host be a task?
[17:36] <kirkland> the metapackage exists for installation after-the-fact
[17:36] <cjwatson> maybe have all the dependencies of ubuntu-virt-server as entries in the virtualization-host seed, *including* ubuntu-virt-server, and then you can transition over to that later
[17:36] <cjwatson> tasks can be installed after the fact, and you can generate metapackages from seeds if you want to ...
[17:37] <cjwatson> anyway, I suggest that the virtualization-host seed should have the following entries: kvm, libvirt-bin, openssh-server, ubuntu-virt-server
[17:37] <cjwatson> later on you can deal with making ubuntu-virt-server generated from that
[17:37] <kirkland> k
[17:37] <kirkland> cool
[17:37] <kirkland> more magic ;-)
[17:37] <cjwatson> assuming that it has the proper Task- headers (see the other server seeds), we can then just push a button to update tasksel
[17:38] <cjwatson> it's awkward magic at the start, but once it's going it maintains itself
[17:38] <cjwatson> the entire seed/task business is optimised for automatability
[17:39] <cjwatson> rather than developer comprehension, unfortunately ;-)
[17:40] <kirkland> okay, lemme attack from that angle......
[17:40] <stweston> I need help writing a persuasive essay. I'm thinking the topic should be about free software.
[17:40] <stweston> anyone care to help?
[17:41] <cjwatson> stweston: oh, you're here. I keep missing you 'cos you keep joining, asking the same question, and leaving
[17:41] <cjwatson> :-)
[17:41] <stweston> oh. sorry
[17:41] <cjwatson> stweston: I obviously wasn't clear enough earlier regarding your Xubuntu/initramfs problem, but I thought I had answered it
[17:41] <stweston> cjwatson: what's the problem?
[17:41] <stweston> cjwatson: oh?
[17:42] <cjwatson> stweston: it is not an installer bug, and we cannot help you in this channel. It is very likely the same thing you're encountering when trying to boot from the alternate CD. You need help from kernel developers.
[17:42] <stweston> cjwatson: what's the solution? do you know it?
[17:42] <stweston> cjwatson: aah. I see.
[17:42] <cjwatson> it is almost certainly just a different presentation of that same bug; the desktop boot process is very different from how the alternate install CD works, but ultimately they both have to mount /cdrom at some point
[17:42] <cjwatson> and if the kernel can't do it, both will fail
[17:43] <stweston> cjwatson: I get it. so it's a kernel problem? anyway... do you mind helping me work on a topic for this essay? I'm supposed to be writing a persuasive essay for school, and I'd like it to be about free software.
[17:44] <cjwatson> sounds interesting, but I'm afraid I have too many free software bugs to fix ;-)
[17:44] <stweston> okay.
[17:44]  * cjwatson is rather heavily contended
[17:44] <stweston> sorry if I can't be of any assistance. I'm still a newbie who never used linux to its full extent... what do you mean "contended"?
[17:45] <cjwatson> I mean that there are a lot of things that need my attention
[17:45] <stweston> I see.
[17:45] <stweston> got it.
[17:45] <stweston> well, thanks anyway!
[17:45] <cjwatson> at least until my replacement manager gets hired and I can go back to hacking :)
[17:45] <stweston> I'll try #ubuntu or some other channel. LOL
[17:46] <stweston> got any suggestions for which channel to use for this topic problem?
[17:47] <cjwatson> there might be some general free software channels, though I don't know the names; "advocacy" might be a good keyword to use
[17:47] <stweston> all right... how do I find it? is it, like, #advocacy?
[17:48] <stweston> or what?
[17:48] <cjwatson> I honestly don't know
[17:48] <cjwatson> I'm just suggesting search terms
[17:48] <stweston> okay... how do I search?
[17:48] <stweston> for channels, I mean.
[17:48] <cjwatson> read the manual for your IRC client ...
[17:48] <stweston> okay
[17:49] <cjwatson> syntax varies a bit
[17:50] <kirkland> cjwatson: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/50193/
[17:50] <kirkland> cjwatson: i'm still a bit confused about what we double up on the things included by ubuntu-virt-server in this task
[17:51] <cjwatson> because then it means that later you can generate ubuntu-virt-server from the seed, like basically every other metapackage in Ubuntu
[17:51] <cjwatson> even if you don't do that now
[17:52] <cjwatson> you should also have "Task-Metapackage: ubuntu-virt-server" in there in order to support that later, since your metapackage and seed are named differently
[17:53] <kirkland> i wonder if it would make more sense to call the new metapackage, when generated, virtualization-host
[17:53] <kirkland> and drop the ubuntu-virt-server metapackage
[17:53] <cjwatson> perhaps but then you have migration tedium. It's not that important ...
[17:55] <kirkland> cjwatson: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/50195/
[17:55] <cjwatson> yep
[17:56] <cjwatson> edit STRUCTURE as well in the places corresponding to other server tasks, and you're done
[18:04] <kirkland> cjwatson: virtualization vs virtualisation ... strong opinion either way?
[18:04] <kirkland> z = more natural to me, though I've seen "s" with some UK-peeps
[18:07] <kirkland> cjwatson: pushed to lp:~kirkland/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.intrepid.virtualization-host
[18:12] <kirkland> cjwatson: fyi, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-virt/+bug/274053 is is the MIR for ubuntu-virt-server
[18:12] <kirkland> thanks for your help ;-)
[18:26] <cjwatson> kirkland: personally I spell it with an s, although both are technically legitimate in British English (although many people think -ise is the only correct British spelling)
[18:27] <cjwatson> kirkland: I think shortening it to "virt" is a nice way to get around the problem, personally
[18:27] <cjwatson> anyway, got to go out ...
[19:03] <kirkland> cjwatson: (fixed) heh :-)
[19:04] <bdmurray> bug 271512 feels like a duplicate to me but I can't find anything.  Am I confused?
[19:13] <evand> I don't believe so, but perhaps you saw something that I missed.
[19:28] <bdmurray> I might be thinking about that bug itself
[19:29] <bdmurray> Anyway is it on your radar?
[19:29] <evand> It is indeed
[19:41] <bdmurray> evand: can we reflect that in the bug report?
[19:42] <evand> bdmurray: done
[19:42] <bdmurray> thanks!
[23:05] <CIA-50> usb-creator: evand * r23 usb-creator/ (8 files in 5 dirs):
[23:05] <CIA-50> usb-creator: * Add --safe option to enable syslinux's 'safe, slow, and stupid' mode
[23:05] <CIA-50> usb-creator:  (LP: #273740).
[23:05] <CIA-50> usb-creator: * Substitue the current version into bin/usb-creator during build.
[23:05] <CIA-50> usb-creator: * Fix cases where free_space gets called after we've unmounted filesystems
[23:05] <CIA-50> usb-creator:  as part of the shutdown process (LP: #273861).
[23:05] <CIA-50> usb-creator: * Lower debhelper requirement for Hardy backport (LP: #273936).