[07:50] <dholbach> good morning
[07:56] <iulian> Good morning Daniel.
[08:01] <dholbach> hiya iulian
[08:12] <geser> Guten Morgen dholbach
[08:13] <dholbach> hi geser :)
[08:23] <torkel> geser: any new comments on bug 264303? As it is not a new upstream version a FFe shouldn't be needed, right? Or would you still prefer to patch -3 over a sync?
[08:36] <geser> torkel: no, a ffe is not needed, and with the changes in -6 it's worth syncing. thanks for letting my know.
[08:37] <torkel> geser: thanks. :-)
[08:49] <Hobbsee> !ffe
[08:51] <Hobbsee> hm, microreleases aren't documented there.
[09:05] <rulus> pereira@193.142.125.1] has joined
[09:05] <rulus> roreleases aren't documented there.
[09:05] <rulus> oops, sorry
[09:26] <siretart> any ~motu-release members around? Could you please have a look at the vlc 0.9.2 exception request now that beta freeze is approaching? TIA!
[10:21] <Koon> slangasek: you accepted cim-schema source in multiverse a few weeks ago, but for some reason the resulting binary package appears in universe. bug ?
[10:21] <Koon> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/cim-schema/2.18.1-0ubuntu1
[10:22] <slangasek> Koon: bug or oversight; from this distance it's hard to tell
[10:23] <slangasek> Koon: I accepted the source though, someone else would have accepted the binary (and set the section), I think
[10:23] <slangasek> changed now
[10:23] <Koon> slangasek: great ;)
[10:24] <Koon> slangasek: fyi, I'm trying to push some licensing clarification upstream
[10:24] <slangasek> that should prove interesting :-)
[12:09] <siretart> slangasek: re your mlt rebuild: it currently FTBFS, see the lp report about that
[13:40] <willem-toorop> Hi MOTU's! Would anytwo of you care for reviewing my Tetris for Terminals (tt) package?
[13:43] <raphink> willem-toorop: I'm using konversation
[13:43] <raphink> :p
[13:44] <raphink> hi nxvl
[14:45] <Adri2000> no one has any pending change for u-d-t? (I'm going to upload in some minutes)
[14:49] <Adri2000> jpds: around?
[14:52] <Adri2000> I recall some discussion in this channel about the versioning of u-d-t, but was any kind of decision made?
[14:53] <Adri2000> imo we should return to simple native versioning, without the ubuntu1 bit
[14:54] <geser> yes, that's what I proposed but someone told me that lintian will complain or something like that
[14:55] <broonie> lintian does get it wrong sometimes.
[14:55] <Adri2000> yeah, I don't think that is a very good reason :p
[14:56] <Adri2000> lintian should be fixed to not complain about the missing "ubuntu" bit in the version, if the package is not in debian
[15:00] <Adri2000> so I'll go without ubuntu1, and if indeed lintian complains, will file a bug
[15:21] <Adri2000>   ubuntu-dev-tools_0.45_source.changes: done.
[15:27] <Adri2000> and bug #273997
[15:45] <ThorstenSick> Hello
[15:45] <ThorstenSick> Can anyone help me creating a patch for meld ?
[15:46] <ThorstenSick> I am new to packaging and can not identify the patch system (if there is any)
[15:46] <azeem> is there a debian/patches directory?
[15:46] <jpds> Adri2000: Pong?
[15:46] <ThorstenSick> Yes, there is, but files in there seem not to be included in a build
[15:46] <ThorstenSick> At least the patch was not effective
[15:47] <azeem> ThorstenSick: inspect the Build-Depends in debian/control.  Does it include either dpatch or quilt?
[15:47] <Adri2000> jpds: was about u-d-t's versioning, I finally uploaded as 0.45, and filed a bug for lintian's false positives
[15:48] <ThorstenSick> It depends on "patch"
[15:49] <azeem> ThorstenSick: then inspect debian/rules for a "patch" target or similar; it looks like a hand-written patch system then
[15:49] <jpds> Adri2000: re: any u-d-t work - not at the moment - I do not have my own computer anymore, so I have limited net time.
[15:49] <azeem> if so, the list of patches to apply might be hardcoded somewhere in debian/rules
[15:49] <ThorstenSick> include /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/simple-patchsys.mk
[15:50] <azeem> that's from CDBS
[15:50] <azeem> so what do you mean with "files in there seem not to be included in a build"
[15:51] <Adri2000> jpds: ok np, just wanted to ask you because that versioning was started in one of your uploads
[15:51] <ThorstenSick> I am trying to learn from th devweek/fixingbugs
[15:51] <azeem> I understand
[15:51] <azeem> I don't understand the above in the context of cdbs though
[15:51] <jpds> Adri2000: RainCT was complaining about NMU lintian errors (or something).
[15:52] <Adri2000> ThorstenSick: when you don't know the patch system used by a package, you can use the what-patch utility from ubuntu-dev-tools, even though it may not know or be wrong
[15:52] <ThorstenSick> azeem:A patch dropped in the patch dir did not fix the biug
[15:52] <ThorstenSick> cool
[15:52] <azeem> ThorstenSick: inspect the build log and make sure the patch got applied during bulid
[15:52] <azeem> ThorstenSick: did you create a new source package?  How did you test-build it?
[15:53] <Adri2000> jpds: yeah, that's what I recalled from a discussion here. I filed bug #273997 for that
[15:53] <ThorstenSick> pbuilder
[15:53] <jpds> Adri2000: Great, thanks.
[15:53] <ThorstenSick> It was yesterday, ...tracking back...
[15:57] <Adri2000> TheMuso: mpd is failing in intrepid with "E: client-conf-x11.c: XOpenDisplay() failed". according to mpd's wiki, it's something wrong with pulseaudio. do you have any idea of what could be the problem?
[15:58] <Adri2000> TheMuso: bug #273721, #273586, http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/PulseAudio
[15:59] <TheMuso> Adri2000: I'll have a look tomorrow, unfortunately I don't have time right now. Off the top of my head I have no idea so I'll have to dig and have a play myself.
[15:59] <Adri2000> TheMuso: okay, thanks
[16:05] <ThorstenSick> azeem: I think yesterday the filename was missing a .patch. At least the log looks a lot better with ".patch" attached.
[16:05] <azeem> hrm, could be
[16:08] <slangasek> siretart: why, so it does :/
[16:09] <ThorstenSick> azeem: It works ! Now just add the debdiff as an attachment to the bug ?
[16:10] <azeem> ThorstenSick: I'm not sure what you are trying to do and no expert in that kind of stuff, better ask the whole channel
[16:12] <ThorstenSick> I just created my first debdiff. The bug is LP #203033. What to do now ? Attach it to the bug and wait for someone to review it ?
[16:24] <ThorstenSick> Is a motu here who can please review my patch for LP #203033
[16:24] <ThorstenSick> ?
[16:27] <james_w> ThorstenSick: you should break your changelog line before 80 chars, but otherwise it looks good
[16:27] <james_w> what patch system is in use?
[16:31] <ThorstenSick> james_w: cdbs
[16:31] <james_w> cdbs-simple-patchsys?
[16:31] <james_w> then your change looks fine to me
[16:32] <james_w> ThorstenSick: please subscribe the sponsors team
[16:32] <james_w> "Subscribe someone else" -> ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[16:32] <ThorstenSick> james_w: what-patch just says cdbs. this is myfirst debdiff...
[16:34] <ThorstenSick> james_w: done...and they will review it ?
[16:34] <james_w> yeah, someone will look at it in the next few days and either ask you to change something, reject it, or upload it.
[16:35] <ThorstenSick> Thanks.
[16:44] <ThorstenSick> CU
[16:58] <slangasek> siretart: mlt fix uploaded
[17:08] <NCommander> soren, good morning
[17:08] <soren> It's 6 PM!
[17:09] <sebner> soren: \o/ - Same timezone :D
[17:09] <NCommander> soren, ok, good evening
[17:09] <NCommander> soren, any issues beside the -dev one with the Xfce 4.6 packages?
[17:12] <soren> NCommander: It seems the meta key was redefined..
[17:12] <soren> NCommander: Sorry, i'm on a phone call right now.
[17:13] <NCommander> soren, Oh, sorry. I can't reproduce that one (without lack of trying when you told me about it)
[17:13] <NCommander> soren, what keyboard layout do you use :-)
[17:13] <soren> Danish.
[17:13] <liw> I guess he's using the Danish one
[17:14] <NCommander> soren, I'll report a bug on the Xfce bug tracker that the meta key has been redefined (to what specifically?)
[17:53] <iulian> Hi
[17:59] <liw> would someone be willing to sponsor an upload of system-cleaner for me, from REVU? (http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=system-cleaner); compared to the version in intrepid already, it fixes two bugs
[17:59] <liw> release team (pitti) and doc team have said they're ok with the upload
[18:27] <siretart> any ~motu-release members around? Could you please have a look at the vlc 0.9.2 exception request now that beta freeze is approaching? TIA!
[18:30]  * jdong adds to the mounting pressure too :)
[19:09] <jdong> DktrKranz: you're on ~motu-release right? ~motumedia would really like the VLC 0.9.2 FFe to be evaluated prior to betafreeze
[19:10] <DktrKranz> jdong, yes.
[19:11] <DktrKranz> I'll have a look at it in some minutes
[19:11] <jdong> thank you very much
[19:11] <jdong> (bug 270404 for reference)
[20:06] <siretart> DktrKranz: thanks for your vote on vlc. how many further votes do we need?
[20:07] <DktrKranz> siretart, two motu-release ACKs. If I read it correctly, mine is first, so you need another one
[20:07] <siretart> ah
[20:14] <k0p> hi
[20:15] <k0p> I have a patch in queue... someone can apply?
[20:19] <crimsun> k0p: bug #?
[20:21] <k0p> #264750
[20:21] <k0p> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/umit/+bug/264750
[20:21] <k0p> wow
[20:21] <k0p> #264750
[20:22] <k0p> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/umit/+bug/264750
[20:22] <k0p> hmm bot doesn't awser :(
[20:24] <crimsun> k0p: is it intentional that debian/patches/{root,setup}.patch are also touched but are not mentioned in debian/changelog?
[20:25] <fabrice_sp> Hi. Can someone review my debdiff in Bug #272263 and upload if correct? Thanks
[20:25] <crimsun> fabrice_sp: looking in a sec.
[20:25] <fabrice_sp> great! tks crimsun
[20:25] <crimsun> fabrice_sp: I can't upload (anymore), but I'll certainly review the diff
[20:26] <k0p> crimsun, did you see last patch?
[20:26] <k0p> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/17309092/higwidgets_issue-update.patch
[20:26] <fabrice_sp> crimsun: ok. better than nothing ;-)
[20:26] <crimsun> k0p: that's the one I applied prior to reviewing
[20:27] <crimsun> k0p: ah, I see.  The references are there.
[20:27] <k0p> yeah
[20:27] <k0p> I update because I forget update changelog
[20:28] <k0p> updated*
[20:28] <crimsun> k0p: looks fine (just trivial whitespace matters in the changelog, but relatively unimportant)
[20:29] <k0p> do you want a update again?
[20:30] <k0p> I can do that but I didn't see whitespace. How people detect it? Many people from motus detects whitespace.. I forget take care with it
[20:31] <crimsun> k0p: I suggest updating the debdiff, but that's really up to whomever uploads
[20:32] <crimsun> fabrice_sp: looks good.  has asac looked at it, too?
[20:32] <fabrice_sp> crimsun: asac put a comment in the bug report, but I don't think he had a look at the debdiff
[20:33] <k0p> crimsun, where did you see whitespace?
[20:33] <fabrice_sp> (I requested also review in ubuntu-mozillateam, but get no answer...)
[20:33] <crimsun> k0p: the topmost (most recent) debian/changelog entry
[20:34] <k0p> hmm
[20:34] <crimsun> k0p: mostly alignment issues; see your bottommost (first) debian/changelog entry for the asterisk
[20:34] <crimsun> (indentation, really)
[20:35] <k0p> :\
[20:35] <fabrice_sp> crimsun: I think that they had already a lot of work with this firefox 3.0 stuff, and too busy to review my debdiff
[20:35] <fabrice_sp> (they = mozillateam)
[20:35] <crimsun> fabrice_sp: (right, I'm also there)
[20:36] <crimsun> fabrice_sp: perhaps wait a day or so; the u-u-s queue is processed consistently
[20:36] <k0p> crimsun, I didn' see mistakes on identation
[20:38] <crimsun> k0p: notice how both "- fixed ..." lines are placed closer to the leading edge (on a left-to-right orientation) than their parents
[20:39] <k0p> grr
[20:39] <k0p> yeah
[20:39] <k0p> but not in my vi
[20:39] <crimsun> yeah, I unset tabs and such when I review patches
[20:41] <fabrice_sp> crimsun: Won't the beta freeze affect the upload of non 'high' importance bug?
[20:42] <crimsun> fabrice_sp: UTC isn't quite at betafreeze yet
[20:43] <fabrice_sp> crimsun: I must have mixed date, then. Thanks
[20:44] <crimsun> fabrice_sp: well, betafreeze is "tomorrow" for me (currently only 1544 localtime)
[20:44] <k0p> crimsun, updated
[20:45] <crimsun> k0p: fair enough
[20:46] <crimsun> k0p: thanks, someone from u-u-s will look
[20:46] <k0p> u-u-s? universe?
[20:46] <geser> ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[20:47] <k0p> fine :)
[20:47] <k0p> crimsun, btw I was waiting for it some weeks ago..
[20:48] <fabrice_sp> crimsun: It's also tomorrow for me too (21:48 here :-) )
[20:48] <k0p> I was thinking if I shoud annouce it in somewhere
[20:49] <crimsun> k0p: sorry, but I can't help speed it along.  Just try to sit a while; the sponsors generally are overworked, too.  :-)
[20:49] <crimsun> (that said, lag time normally isn't too long)
[20:49] <k0p> ok :)
[20:49] <k0p> thanks
[20:58] <geser> fabrice_sp: I've just looked at your icedove-dispmua debdiff and it looks ok (on a first glance). Will try to look at it later and upload.
[20:58] <sebner> ahoi geser, everything alright? :)
[20:59] <fabrice_sp> geser: great! Thanks in advance ;-)
[20:59] <fabrice_sp> Could you also have a look at Bug #257937?
[21:02] <geser> sebner: yes, just busy
[21:03] <sebner> geser: as usual :) so I won't interrupt your work. hf :)
[21:03] <geser> fabrice_sp: does ebox-ntp also work with openntpd?
[21:04] <fabrice_sp> geser: I have to check
[21:08] <laga> DktrKranz: consider yourself hugged for verifying that mythbuntu-control-centre bug
[21:09] <DktrKranz> laga, you're welcome
[21:13] <sebner> laga: joing motu-release and make DktrKranz happy :P
[21:13] <DktrKranz> sebner, motu-sru maybe
[21:13] <DktrKranz> and why my shift key doesn't work........
[21:14] <sebner> DktrKranz: argh, true
[21:14] <sebner> DktrKranz: strg-alt-backspace is your friend :P
[21:14] <DktrKranz> sebner, not when doing important stuff that deserves a better end than a kill -9 -1
[21:15] <sebner> DktrKranz: ^^
[21:16] <laga> sebner: i'm not a MOTU :)
[21:16] <sebner> laga: become one!
[21:16] <laga> yeah, i'm working on that, kinda.
[21:18] <sebner> laga: \o/
[21:18] <fabrice_sp> geser: at startup time, this package calls "exec /usr/sbin/ntpd -n -g", and this flags doesn't exists in openntpd, so I would say no, except if we modify the package to use it
[21:19] <fabrice_sp> (about ebox-ntp package)
[21:19] <geser> fabrice_sp: thanks for checking
[21:20] <DktrKranz> sebner, shut up
[21:20]  * sebner hides
[21:20] <fabrice_sp> geser: it was an easy one ;-)
[21:21] <sebner> DktrKranz: Y. R. B. :P
[21:22] <DktrKranz> sebner, lucky you my shift is broken and i can make uppercase letters...
[21:22] <sebner> DktrKranz: hrhr, black magic :)
[21:54] <directhex> is there a written policy anywhere detailing driver backports to LTS releases?
[21:56] <laga> ah, mono.ko?
[22:01] <directhex> laga, no, i was more wondering for work
[22:01] <directhex> laga, not mono-related for once! :o
[22:15] <NCommander> siretart, ping
[22:31] <dothebart> hy everyone...
[22:33] <dothebart> who 'd be the right one to talk to for http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/citadel-server
[22:33] <dothebart> ?
[22:34] <dothebart> i'd like to do the pulp fiction tomato joke about that...
[22:34] <dothebart> catch up ;-)
[22:38] <bobbo> james_w: ping
[22:41] <asac> fabrice_sp|away: ?
[23:03] <nxvl> pochu: ping
[23:08] <pochu> nxvl: pong
[23:08] <pochu> nxvl: hi
[23:17] <nxvl> pochu: Bug #274173
[23:17] <nxvl> pochu: would you like to help me while i don't have my machine on hands
[23:17] <pochu> nxvl: cool :)
[23:18] <pochu> nxvl: sure, what does it need?
[23:18] <nxvl> pochu: a diffstat
[23:18] <pochu> nxvl: ok
[23:19] <pochu> will add that in a second
[23:20]  * nxvl HUGS pochu 
[23:22] <nxvl> pochu: on your comment please include "no package depends on it" i forgot to add that comment
[23:23] <pochu> sure
[23:24] <nxvl> nellery: hi! how are you doing?
[23:24] <nellery> nxvl, hi, alright i think
[23:25] <nxvl> nellery: learning new things everyday?
[23:25] <pochu> nxvl: done
[23:25]  * pochu hugs nxvl back :)
[23:26] <nellery> of course ;)
[23:27] <nxvl> pochu: awesome! thanks, now cross your fingers and pray!
[23:31] <james_w> hey bobbo
[23:31] <bobbo> hey james_w
[23:32] <bobbo> james_w: I saw that bzr 1.7 was released today and you talked about cherrypicking patches from it and adding them to our 1.6.1 package?
[23:32] <nxvl> james_w: i send you an e-mail, did you got it?
[23:33] <james_w> hey nxvl, I did, but I forgot to read it today, sorry.
[23:33] <james_w> nxvl: but in principle I say yes
[23:34] <james_w> bobbo: I think we should certainly check, but I believe there a couple of important fixes to grab
[23:34] <bobbo> james_w: cool, is there anything in particular I could be taking a look at?
[23:35] <james_w> bobbo: just read the NEWS file I guess and look for the things that sound important
[23:35] <nxvl> james_w: ok, read it, and reply so i can make th announcment :D
[23:35] <james_w> bobbo: I'll be doing it myself, but it would be good to get a couple of pairs of eyes on it
[23:35] <james_w> nxvl: will do :-)
[23:35] <bobbo> james_w: ok, i'll have a look at it tomorrow and see if anything jumps out :)
[23:37] <james_w> nxvl: looks good to me
[23:53] <pochu> good night folks