RiddellNCommander: I'm pretty sure that flag is needed by KDE00:02
seeleRiddell: if the kde crash dialog doesn't popup when plasma crashes, is there another way to gather data for aaron?00:02
NCommanderRiddell, I'm asking now in #kde-devel on the best way to solve it00:02
Riddellseele: anything in /var/crash ?00:02
seeleRiddell: ah hah.. yep (didn't know about /var/crash..)00:05
Riddellseele: does that have the plasma report?00:06
seeleor at least it looks like it00:06
seeleExecutablePath: /usr/bin/plasma00:06
Riddellseele: if you run /usr/share/apport/apport-qt it should offer the chance to upload it to launchpad00:07
seeleRiddell: are there any arguments?  it doesnt seem to do anything00:08
Riddellhmm, no00:08
Riddellseele: you can also disable apport in /etc/default/apport00:12
Riddelland from a command line  killall plasma; plasma00:12
Riddellthen crash it for the normal KDE dialogue00:12
seeleRiddell: it should be on by default though, right?00:12
* seele checks00:13
NCommanderRiddell, so how high is your hack tolerance?00:13
seeleit is..00:13
Riddellseele: apport should be on by default00:13
Riddellseele: any output from  /usr/share/apport/apport-checkreports ?00:13
RiddellNCommander: anything that works :)00:14
NCommanderRiddell, ah, good00:14
seeleRiddell: nope00:14
Riddellseele: curious, apport thinks it's already reported your plasma issue00:15
seeleuhm.. huh.  i disabled apport and restarted kde and crashed plasma and got the crash handler to report the bug?00:17
seeleenable means to turn it on right?00:17
seeleand 0 is disable?00:17
Riddellseele: if you disable apport you will get the KDE crash handler00:18
seeleoh ok00:18
seelethat's fine then, at least i can coy the report out of the UI instead of look for stuff in /var/crash00:18
seeleis it the same data?00:18
seeleok.. so should i give this to launchpad or upstream?00:20
Riddellwe've not touched twitter00:20
seelewell i got it to do it for more than just twitter00:21
seeleso i dont know if its the same problem or not00:21
RiddellNCommander: might this help?  kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/xine-lib-1.1.15-cpp-compilation.diff00:21
NCommanderer, maybe00:23
NCommanderI dunno00:23
RiddellNCommander: me neither :) let me try it00:23
NCommanderI added -Dinline=__inline__00:24
NCommanderWhich should work00:24
NCommanderbeside siretart, is there anyone who works on xine a lot?00:24
RiddellNCommander: this patch seems to work00:24
RiddellI don't know of anyone00:25
NCommanderargh, so it would require making a change to xine00:25
Riddellwell if xine is broken that seems a good place to fix it00:25
NCommanderIt's not *strictly* broken00:26
NCommanderBut yeah00:26
NCommanderI'm going to make a slight change for this though00:27
NCommanderA bug should be filed00:27
RiddellNCommander: what would you change?00:28
NCommanderHave it use __inline__00:28
NCommanderWhich is guaranteed by GCC docs to always be available00:28
Riddellxine doesn't seem to have a patch system in it's packaging00:30
NCommanderRiddell, it used to00:32
NCommanderI'm just adding dpatch, making my life easier00:32
NCommanderRiddell, testbuilding the fix00:38
* Riddell crosses fingers00:39
NCommanderxine is built00:50
NCommanderBuilding kdebase00:50
NCommanderRiddell, any other ones for me to look at?00:54
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NCommanderRiddell, kdebase_runtime builds from source00:58
RiddellI think that's all00:59
RiddellNCommander: got a debdiff to upload?00:59
NCommanderI dumped the package into my PPA00:59
Riddellhah, look at the concentation on my face, I wiped the smile off his when I overtook him on the last section http://jriddell.org/photos/2008-09-21-ratho-marathon-jonathan.jpg01:00
NCommanderRiddell, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xine-lib/+bug/27419401:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 274194 in xine-lib "Xine's headers prevent C90 applications (like KDE) from compiling" [Low,In progress]01:01
NCommanderhttps://edge.launchpad.net/~sonicmctails/+archive - uploaded here01:02
RiddellNCommander: oh, do you have an amd64?01:11
NCommanderI have all Ubuntu architecture machines, or access to them01:13
RiddellNCommander: fancy seeing if you can fix qtjambi for it?01:13
NCommander(i386, amd64, lpai, powerpc, hppa, ia64 ...)01:13
RiddellI can't get java to work on my amd64 for some reason, possibly the linux build is too old01:13
RiddellI think qtjambi just needs qtjambi-linux32-gcc-4.4.2_01.jar changed to qtjambi-linux*-gcc-4.4.2_01.jar in debian/rules01:13
NCommanderLooks like it01:14
NCommanderIsn't there an Ubuntu porting box you can use?01:14
Riddellnot that I know of01:14
RiddellI could use a PPA with trial and error I guess01:14
NCommanderMaybe its something we should look into providing ;-)01:14
NCommanderI'll get right on it01:14
NCommanderhas feisty left support yet?01:15
jtechidnaI know edgy has01:15
Riddellnot for 6 weeks01:16
NCommanderI just want to close every bug in feisty-backports ;-)01:16
NCommanderThey're testing firefighter/fire extinisher myths on mythbusters :-)01:16
Riddellmythbusters sounds interesting01:17
NCommanderRiddell, you don't have a TV license?01:17
NCommander(they show it on BBC sometimes)01:17
RiddellI don't have a tv licence no, can't say I've ever had the need of one01:20
NCommanderRiddell, the changelog says you already tried to fix this :-)01:20
RiddellNCommander: right, but without a machine to test on, it's a bit trial and error :)01:21
* NCommander rolls eyes01:21
NCommanderHas t?01:21
NCommanderhas it every built on amd64?01:21
Riddellit doesn't seem to have been on the bbc in the last year (or however far back this archive goes)01:21
Riddellyes, the previous version built on amd6401:22
* NCommander figures out how to fix this01:23
NCommanderIt likely needs to do two build passes01:24
Riddellit does?01:24
NCommanderBEcause if someone is using java 32-bit on amd64, then it needs the plugin built for 32 bit architectures01:25
NCommanderBut it seems the old plugin didn't do this01:26
NCommanderAnd that configuration isn't supported on Ubuntu anyway01:26
NCommanderwooo, FTBFS in four seconds01:27
Riddellfor jambi?01:29
RiddellNCommander: what's wrong with it?01:33
NCommanderSeeing if I can reproduce at failure speed in pbuilder01:33
NCommanderNo idea01:33
NCommanderso it only builds in pbuilder ... ;.;01:37
NCommanderI'm making some progress it seems01:40
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NCommanderRiddell, so did you retry kdebase-runtime yet?03:56
* Hobbsee looks04:01
Hobbseeit's still ftb.04:01
HobbseeNCommander: is that supposed to be fixed now?04:04
NCommanderHobbsee, it needed an updated xine-lib which got uploaded an hour or so ago04:04
HobbseeNCommander: is it published?04:05
NCommanderHobbsee, yes04:06
* Hobbsee hits the big red button04:07
NCommanderThank you for pressing the self-destruct button04:07
NCommanderLaunchpad will self-destruct in T-3 minutes04:07
* NCommander watches the countdown hit 0, and LP FTBFS04:39
NCommanderapachelogger, ping06:19
yao_ziyuanthere is a font in intrepid kubuntu that when displayed in a very small size will render "R" as "P"07:27
yao_ziyuanuse an intrepid to browse http://www.economist.com/debate/index.cfm?action=article&debate_id=12&story_id=12070651 with firefox to find out07:27
yao_ziyuanit will display "Russian" as "Pussian"07:27
Hobbseewhich font?07:31
yao_ziyuanthe font specified by that web page07:33
yao_ziyuani'll give you a screenshot07:33
goatsocksyou should have your browser set to always use your preferred fonts... web designers tend to choose fonts that looks like crap on Linux07:36
goatsocksthe web isn't a print magazine, content is too dynamic to put yourself at the mercy of someone else's font choices07:37
Hobbseei normally do that.07:37
* Hobbsee wonders if yao_ziyuan has msttcorefonts installed, and it is using that, or something07:37
goatsocksincidentally this is a big reason web designers increasingly turn to Flash for more layout control, and users increasingly hate sites for using Flash ;)07:38
yao_ziyuani don't have ms tts fonts07:38
goatsocksyao_ziyuan: probably helvetica07:38
yao_ziyuansecond line in first paragraph07:39
yao_ziyuan"to contain Pussian aggression"07:39
Hobbseeyeah, that R looks slightly weird.07:41
Hobbseebut the stick is clearly there07:41
Hobbseejust slightly disconnected from the P part07:41
goatsockswell first of all, Firefox is a pure Gtk app rendered on the backend by the Freetype engine, separately from anything KDE has any control over, so this isn't a Kubuntu specific issue ;)07:42
yao_ziyuanbut i use gtk-qt-engine-kde4 to force gtk apps to use my kde fonts07:43
goatsockseven if you use the gtk-qt engine, firefox uses its own font rendering07:43
goatsocksit's special07:43
yao_ziyuanit must be a problem with the font07:43
goatsocksmost gtk apps don't ship with their own font rendering libs07:43
goatsocksthe only fonts explicitly named in that page's CSS are Arial, Verdana, and Helvetica, so if you don't have msttcorefonts or Helvetica installed then you'll have to look at your system's font substitution settings to figure out what's actually being used there07:51
Hobbseegoatsocks: he's gone.07:52
Hobbseegoatsocks: but i'm sure he'll be back, for another drive-by soon.07:52
goatsocksgah he did it again07:52
goatsockshe really should get acquainted with launchpad07:53
Hobbseeso far, i think he refuses to.  he's been told to, enough times.07:53
* Hobbsee suspects stronger action might be required.07:54
goatsockshm, then i guess we should just /ignore him, as harsh as that sounds... why waste time on someone who won't stick around to help understand the alleged problems he discovers?07:54
Hobbseeor persuasion07:54
Hobbseegoatsocks: i'd think that banforwarding might be more effective, after a final warning - i don't think everyone would stick him on /ignore.07:55
Hobbseesomeone will usually answer07:55
goatsocksit's like someone who always files bugs that get marked "needinfo" and never go further than that07:55
Hobbseethat's true07:55
goatsockswhat's this "banforwarding"?07:56
Hobbseeas in, when someone tries to join, and they get forwarded to another channel instead.07:57
Hobbseetrouble is, he's known to crosspost in #ubuntu+1, and occasionally #ubuntu-devel too07:57
Hobbseehe may get forwarded from there too07:57
goatsocksthere should be an interrogation channel that when you get forwarded there you can't leave ;)07:57
goatsocksguess i can take some satisfaction in having lied to him... seems that somewhere after 3.0.0 firefox started obeying global freetype settings08:13
goatsocksgood for uniformity, but bad if you preferred the previous behavior08:14
goatsocksi suppose i'll get used to it08:14
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Tonio_hi there09:47
Tonio_is konversation compaining about the ldap ioslave o start ?09:48
Tonio_someone there to test latest kdesudo release ?10:18
goatsocksdepends on what it fixes ;)10:21
goatsocksi can't `kdesudo dolphin` currently, is that addressed?10:22
seaLne\sh: heh continuing fun with dual head and plasma just reebooted and i have the 2 cashews on my left head next to each other10:23
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umsenmoin moin12:12
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jtechidnaWow, Riddell was on a roll yesterday13:54
Riddelljtechidna: rock.  what did I do?13:55
jtechidnaa lot, looking at the changelogs for kdebase-workspace13:55
jtechidnaand -runtime13:55
littleHeads up that the Documentation tab is broken on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu14:07
Tm_Tjussi01: let me...14:13
littleIt's filed as a bug report at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/27439414:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 274394 in ubuntu "Documentation tab on the https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs page is broken." [Undecided,New]14:21
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apacheloggerNCommander: pong14:37
apacheloggerjtechidna: please screenie something koffice2ish14:46
* jtechidna haz idea14:47
apacheloggerstill no 4.1.2 tag14:49
jtechidnalol, koffice crash14:49
Hobbseewho's up for fixing https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/koffice/+bug/273881 ?14:49
ubottuLaunchpad bug 273881 in koffice "koffice-libs depends on kghostview, which is no longer built by kdegraphics " [High,Triaged]14:49
apacheloggerjr apparently :P14:56
Hobbseeyeah, i just assigned him.  i'm sure you can steal it14:56
* apachelogger points out that assigning jr without telling him doesn't make much sense, since he apparently reads only one bug mail per day :P14:57
apacheloggerRiddell: are you planing on backporting koffice 2 to hardy?15:00
apacheloggerjtechidna: how is the screenie coming along?15:00
jtechidnaoh rite15:00
Riddellapachelogger: I'm not, but it would be good if someone did15:00
jtechidnaI haz screenshot, but I still need to screenie it15:01
apacheloggerRiddell: I will just claim in the news that someone is working on it ;-)15:01
apacheloggerhow can one get 290 bug mails in 24 hours?15:02
* apachelogger needs a coffee15:02
Hobbseeapachelogger: people tagging things, etc.15:03
apacheloggerHobbsee: we barely use tags in Kubuntu15:04
Hobbseethat's what i thought.  but i thought the bugsquad might have started touching them.15:04
apacheloggerthough, that leads back to the need for configuration of bug mails15:05
apacheloggerI really wouldn't want to see tag changes15:05
apacheloggerit's not like they aren't all messed up anyway :P15:05
Hobbseeyou can actually filter your bugmails, in some ways15:05
Riddellany volunteers for the monthly team report?15:06
* apachelogger points at rgreening15:06
* rgreening exclaims "who me"15:07
littleHey there, I filed this, possibly in the wrong place, but maybe one of you guys can fix it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/27439415:07
ubottuLaunchpad bug 274394 in ubuntu "Documentation tab on the https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs page is broken." [Undecided,Confirmed]15:07
apacheloggerlittle: yes, that is indeed the wrong palce :P15:07
rgreeningRiddell: sure thing boss :) just point me in the right direction :P15:07
apacheloggerwe don't even have a doc page15:08
Riddellryanakca: RE little, were you looking at the wiki theme?15:08
littleI was trying to find out how to write Kubuntu documentation. I've been helping the Ubuntu wiki, but I'm a Kubuntu user.15:09
littleI logged on and tried to create a main Documentation page, since the link points to nowhere, and got this message, "Note that documentation on this wiki should be moved to the new documentation wiki at https://help.ubuntu.com/community."15:10
littleSo I take it all Kubuntu documentation is to be created on the Ubuntu wiki?15:10
little<---<overly zealous documentation writer> (:15:10
apacheloggerlittle: doc gos to help.ubuntu.com15:11
jtechidnaapachelogger: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/kofficebeta.png15:11
apacheloggerthat bug is pretty easy fixable15:12
* jtechidna exercises dog15:12
apacheloggerpoor dog15:12
apacheloggerlittle: it would be cool if you could start a kubuntu intro page for https://help.ubuntu.com/community where the wiki can link to :)15:13
jjesselittle: you are interested in kubuntu docs?15:13
jjessejoin us at #ubuntu-doc15:13
jjesseor on the ubuntu-doc mailing list15:13
jjesseespecially as it releasted to help.ubuntu.com/community15:14
littleYes, definitely, and working on joining that other channel. (:15:14
littleCan I create the page linking to the Ubuntu wiki? I don't want to step on any toes. But it seems to me that it looks kind of bad to have that link point to an empty page.15:14
apacheloggerjjesse: you noticed how weird that was? "interested in kubuntu docs?" .... "join us at #ubuntu-doc"15:16
apacheloggeranyone interested in KDE, please join #gnome on irc.gnome.org :P15:16
apacheloggerRiddell: do you know how to redriect pages in the wiki?15:17
jcastro#REDIRECT FooBar15:17
apacheloggerjcastro: also for external redirects?15:17
jcastroah apachelogger, just the guy I wanted to talk to!15:17
apacheloggerwiki -> help.ubuntu.com15:17
* apachelogger hides15:17
littleI would have just put a hard link. Is the #REDIRECT FooBar the proper way?15:17
jcastroredirect makes it so the user doesn't have to click anything15:18
jcastroit just sends them along, I am not sure if it works for external links15:18
apacheloggersomeone please check the content of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UserDocumentation?action=show15:18
littleIs there a way to do it with a timer so there's time for them to see a message before it redirects? I don't know about you, but I'd be confused if I got redirected to an Ubuntu page without some explanation.15:18
apacheloggerit redirects to help.ubuntu15:18
jcastroapachelogger: I wanted to ask you to continue to do the "please file a bug upstream" and opening an upstream task.15:18
apacheloggerjcastro: oh, right, there was something I wanted to complain about15:19
* apachelogger gets his todo list15:19
jcastroapachelogger: since we now have a list of those I am interested in seeing how well people come along after the fact and do that15:19
Hobbseeheya jcastro!15:20
apacheloggerjcastro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Watches the most important use case is not explained, when I mark the bug to affect upstream but don't add a link right away15:20
* Nightrose waves15:21
apacheloggerusually I hunt through the bugs and add the project without upstream URL asking for someone to forward the bug report15:21
rgreeningDid FF become the default browser? Cause I don't remember selcting it as default15:22
apacheloggerthat way one can search for bugs which need forwarding in advanced searches15:22
jcastroI think the docs reflect that when they made them that they wanted to force people to go find the URL, heh15:22
jcastrobut yeah good point, I'll put it on my todo15:23
apacheloggerrgreening: not really, but there are/were some dependency issues pulling in a lot of GNOME software, where it wasn't needed15:23
apacheloggerjcastro: ok, thanks15:23
apacheloggerjtechidna: please take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/KDE15:24
rgreeningIn Konversation, I click a link and it launches FF. If I paste a URL in KRunner, it launches Konqueror.. Konversation is KDE 3.5, but it is inconsistant behav15:24
jjessergreening: is FF instaleldby default now?15:24
rgreeningThink so15:24
jjessergreening: fresh install of alpha6 doesnt' have FF15:25
jcastroapachelogger: Once we fix the little details like this do you think an occasional hug day focusing on sending bugs upstream would be useful?15:25
jcastroapachelogger: what I think would work awesome would be people generally opening new upstream tasks as they see them, then every once in a while doing a "kdepim upstreaming day" or something15:26
jcastroto drive that list down to as close to zero as possible, and then repeating15:26
rgreeninganyone find system lag happening recently?15:26
apacheloggerjcastro: Sounds awesome.15:26
rgreeningI'm getting periodic freezes15:27
jcastroapachelogger: what I am unsure about is when in the release cycle to push these - so I'm going to try a bunch and figure that out15:27
apacheloggerjcastro: before upstream does a hugday on the affected product I'd say15:28
jcastroohh, that sounds like a good idea15:28
apacheloggersay one week before upstream does a hugday on KDEPIM we do a KDEPIM upstreaming day15:28
apacheloggerdinner time15:29
Nightrosejcastro: such stuff could be coordinated with one of the kde-bugsquad's bug-days15:32
Nightroseapachelogger beat me...15:32
* jtechidna is back15:35
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JontheEchidnaapachelogger: looks a bit sparse15:36
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: exactly15:40
JontheEchidnahrm hrm15:41
apachelogger~order coffee for Nightrose15:42
* kubottu slides coffee with milk down the bar to Nightrose.15:42
apacheloggerNightrose: better than beating :P15:42
Nightrosethanks :)15:43
littlergreening: What are you doing when your system freezes?15:47
apacheloggerJontheEchidna, Nightrose: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/koffice-2-beta opinion15:47
* Nightrose checks15:47
* apachelogger notes that our color is _really_ bright15:48
Nightroseapachelogger: that is like _very_ short15:48
apacheloggerNightrose: f515:48
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: d00d15:48
JontheEchidnadeb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main15:48
apacheloggerintrepid-only for now15:48
Nightroseah better15:48
RiddellJontheEchidna: volunteers to backport welcome15:48
JontheEchidnaoh, I misread15:48
* JontheEchidna hides15:48
Riddellapachelogger: which colour?15:48
apacheloggerRiddell: the theme color15:49
Riddellapachelogger: oxygen?15:49
apacheloggerRiddell: no, what you did to oxygen15:49
JontheEchidnathe adept howto needs updating too15:49
apacheloggersomething between our current colors and oxygen should be fine15:49
Nightroseapachelogger: is the adept howto still up to date for intrepid?15:49
Nightroseif not don't link to it15:50
apacheloggerNightrose: no15:50
apacheloggerNightrose: the stuff stays mostly the same15:50
apacheloggerthe snapshots just look different :P15:50
Nightrosewell yea - imho the link is not needed and just confusing15:50
Riddellapachelogger: I find oxygen too dark, but go ahead and commit if you have a better colour than our current lighter one15:50
Nightroseif you tell people to open adept and install something they should know how to do it15:51
apacheloggerRiddell: I'll play with it a bit. BTW, do you know what is holding up the 4.1.2 tag so long?15:51
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: dictator aseigo is too busy disciplining his son for using azereus to download torrents instead of ktorrent15:52
apacheloggerWe need new docs15:52
rgreeninglittle: nothing except using konqueror. Though recent update added landscape-client.. I killed it. Think problem went away..15:52
Riddellapachelogger: I've not heard anything about 4.1.215:52
littleapachelogger: Which docs?15:52
apacheloggershould have been tagged yesterday 23:5915:52
apacheloggerlittle: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto15:53
jjesseapachelogger: are you talking about kubuntu-docs or something?15:53
apacheloggerthat shouldn't be Adept anyway15:53
apacheloggermore like package mangement or something15:53
jjesseapachelogger: i'm like 3/4 of the way done w/ an adept doc15:53
apacheloggerjjesse: that is another thing, I barely read offline docs15:53
rgreeninglittle: nope happened again. Not landscape15:53
jjesseapachelogger: that hurts15:53
* apachelogger wants to remind on the proposal of using a wiki for most docs :P15:54
jjesseapachelogger: don't go there :)  we've debated that over and over again15:54
apacheloggerNightrose: gwen stefani, does amarok want to kill me or something?15:54
Nightroseapachelogger: rofl - gwen stefani ftw15:54
apacheloggerjjesse: letz redo that15:54
apacheloggerI herby propose the creation of an online documentation system with revision control and translation system15:55
jjessewe deal w/ it every release15:55
jjesseapachelogger: trhen you need to create it15:55
apacheloggerI am already doing the task management software15:55
apacheloggerjjesse: poke canonical in the eye15:56
littleA general page for installing software: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware15:56
apacheloggerthat would be _one_ usecase where I actually think rosetta makes sense15:56
littlergreening: Is it a low-end machine?15:56
jjesseapachelogger: i don't want to poke canonical, they might poke back15:56
apacheloggerlittle: that should be splitted really15:57
apacheloggerI see no reason why Kubuntu users would have to read the Ubustuff before15:57
littleapachelogger: There's a Discuss this page link at the bottom. (:15:57
apacheloggerjjesse: you gotta stand up for your work15:57
jjesseapachelogger: would love to but just started a conference cal15:57
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, do we really need to sheep landscape-client?15:57
* apachelogger doesn't see the rational, besides promotion15:58
jjesselandscape-client does the motd stuff that's pretty cool15:58
apacheloggeroh and eating my system resources15:58
jjessesign in via the command line15:58
rgreeninglittle: no. Never had issues before. Just noticed spike in Xorg CPU util 20% when it freezes.15:58
rgreeningAnd there were recent Xorg updates15:58
apacheloggerlittle: I got lost :P15:59
* JontheEchidna reboots15:59
littlergreening: Are you running Hardy, Intrepid? Which release are you using?15:59
apacheloggerRiddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/koffice-2-beta16:00
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: thanks for the screenie16:00
apacheloggerlooks really goodly therely16:00
littlergreening: It's probably wrong of me to say this, but try Hardy. It's rock solid. Not problem one with it. (:16:00
apacheloggertoo much ly apaprently16:00
apacheloggerNightrose: when are you tagging?16:01
rgreeninglittle: defeats th purpose of assisting with Intrepid :)16:01
apacheloggerNightrose: I might have broken tagging when implementing changes required by kipiplugins16:01
Nightroseapachelogger: dunno - a few hours16:01
Nightrosemaybe 2 or 316:01
littlergreening: Sorry. (: Have you tried the #kubuntu channel? They seem to have good support there.16:01
Riddellapachelogger: landscape-client is in the platform seed, so pretty much unavoidable16:01
Nightroseso i should tag rather sooner that later apachelogger?16:02
apacheloggerRiddell: I guess I need to file a bug report then :P16:02
apacheloggerNightrose: I guess so :P16:02
rgreeninglittle: lol... I can troubleshoot it on my own. np. I was only asking if anyone else happened to see it.16:02
littlergreening: Glad to hear it. I use Hardy, so I'm useless in helping with it. (:16:03
Nightroseapachelogger: alright16:03
rgreeningRiddell: you get the update to update-notifier-kde I sent worked out yet?16:03
Nightroseapachelogger: will ask if something still needs sorting and tag in an hour if everything is ok16:03
Riddellrgreening: yeah, sorry, will get to it shortly16:04
rgreeningRiddell: np. btw, just submitted UDS16:04
apacheloggerrgreening: btw, excellent work on qt16:05
rgreeningapachelogger: ty. :)16:05
* rgreening takes a humble bow16:05
rgreeninganymore patches needing integration?16:05
rgreeningor package updates for intrepid I can work on?16:05
rgreeningRiddell: the python wasn't that hard to figure out.16:06
JontheEchidnaRiddell: in systemsettings -> desktop effects there's a combobox "Effect for desktop switching" that has No Effect and two entries for the combobox contents.16:06
* JontheEchidna wonders what's supposed to be there16:08
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I can look into that. Ok, Riddell?16:08
JontheEchidnargreening: this is a problem with the new desktop effects patch in kdebase-workspace16:08
rgreeningk. which one? if you know16:09
Riddellrgreening: certainly16:09
rgreeningdl source. will investigate. JontheEchidna, if you have an idea which patch to start with, lmk16:11
JontheEchidnargreening: it's marked as being from SuSE in debian/changelog16:11
JontheEchidnait's a very recent patch16:11
ryanakcaRiddell: not sure if this is what you were asking... but, the question you asked me to answer was under the KubuntuIntrepidWebsite spec on LP.16:12
* ryanakca => lunch16:12
Riddellapachelogger: should I upload bug 272383?16:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 272383 in kdebase-runtime "package kdebase-runtime 4:4.1.1-0ubuntu1~hardy1~ppa1 [modified: usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu] failed to install/upgrade: tentative de remplacement de ??/usr/bin/ksvgtopng??, qui appartient aussi au paquet kdelibs4-dev" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27238316:12
rgreeningty JontheEchidna16:13
apacheloggerRiddell: please16:13
JontheEchidnargreening: I think it may be desktop cube related, since those effects also aren't showing up in the all effects tab16:13
rgreeningah. 4 sure16:13
rgreeningRiddell: kubuntu_17_kwin_branch.diff... do you have a link to original patch from SuSE16:22
Riddellit's unaltered from their patch16:24
Riddellhttps://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=kdebase-workspace&project=openSUSE%3AFactory  if you have a novell login16:24
rgreeningnp. that's what I was wondering16:25
apachelogger4.1.2 tag appeared16:33
NCommanderhey Riddell16:34
Riddellhi NCommander16:36
JontheEchidnaKubuntu ninjas go go go!16:36
JontheEchidnato the batcave!16:36
Riddellno tars yet16:36
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: no tarballs yet16:36
seeleninjas and a batcave?  where are the pirates?16:36
* apachelogger has a script fetching the tag and creating tarballs :P16:37
* NCommander tries to wake up16:37
apacheloggerit's a subset of neon actually16:37
* JontheEchidna can blog now16:37
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: yus, go go go16:37
devfilapachelogger: wrong chan?16:37
RiddellNCommander: how did you get on with jambi?16:38
apacheloggerwe are doing silly talk anyway ;-)16:38
* JontheEchidna wonders how crashing plasma with krunner is possible16:38
NCommanderRiddell, I think I shot myself in frustation trying to understand how it all works16:38
RiddellNCommander defeated?16:42
NCommanderNo, just needed a breather before I could do it ;-)16:42
RiddellJontheEchidna: how long have you been waiting to post that? :)16:44
JontheEchidnaRiddell: yesterday afternoon16:44
JontheEchidnait's smarter's pic16:44
JontheEchidnabut he doesn't blog16:44
JontheEchidnaoh hai there smarter16:44
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smarterhey JontheEchidna16:45
Riddelldudes, kwwii offers these for kickoff branding logos http://sinecera.de/ideas.png16:49
seeleRiddell: tell him to give us a better logoff graphic16:49
* JontheEchidna thinks the current branding is pretty good16:50
* smarter likes the next to last one of the left column16:50
Riddellseele: what's wrong with the current one?16:51
smarterkubuntu|linux could be great too, since you don't say "kde kubuntu" often16:51
seeleRiddell: it doesn't blend in the background because of the fade lines16:51
Riddellsmarter: to me linux is unimportant (compared to any other unixy kernel), KDE is what's cool about Kubuntu16:53
Riddellseele: well that's technical rather than artistic16:53
seeleRiddell: sure, but black against dark grey is better than black against light grey16:54
Nightroseapachelogger: Jeff still wants to fix some stuff it seems -> small delay16:58
apacheloggerNightrose: jeff always wants to fix some stuff :P16:58
littleI vote for the fourth one from the top on the left on http://sinecera.de/ideas.png16:58
Nightroseapachelogger: hehe nah it is fine this time16:58
littleIs KDE 3 on the way out, or will it continue to be released in tandem with KDE 4 in Kubuntu?17:02
Riddellit's gone17:03
Arbybottom one on the right for me17:04
Arbydefinitely one of the ones with kde in it17:04
ArbyJontheEchidna: does that link up there mean we're ready to start on 4.1.2?17:06
JontheEchidnaArby: just as soon as we get tarballs17:06
Arbylet me know when we're good to go17:07
Arbytonight isn't good but I should have some time over the weekend if there's any left by then :)17:08
Riddellhmm, out of disk space17:08
Arbyare we going to backport 4.1.2 to hardy ppa?17:08
JontheEchidnahmm, I think we were thinking about not, but I dunno if we ever made a decision17:09
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: ^?17:09
apacheloggerwe are17:09
Arby1 month before intrepid I'd say not but it's not my call17:09
Arbyright, time to depart work17:10
Arbylater folks17:10
apacheloggera) we need pratice to become motus and b) users like working software and c) it's bad promotion if we don't provide 4.1.217:10
Arbywell I'm all for b and c17:10
Arbymotu seems a log way off just yet :)17:11
jussi01practice is always good17:11
Arbyright, really gone now17:11
* Riddell runs rm -rf ~/src and sits back for a bit17:14
rgreeningis there a good irc client for KDE 4 yet?17:14
rgreeningKonversation is starting to annoy me17:15
Riddellquassel if you're elite17:16
Riddell(but not elite enough for screen and irssi)17:16
jjessei don't need a client for irc, i just see the channels floating through the ether17:19
rgreeningI used to use Kopete's plugin in 3.5. :) One IM to rule them all17:20
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apachelogger~rss show members 117:25
kubottulemme fetch it...17:25
kubottuusing old data17:25
kubottuChannel : Branches for Kubuntu Members17:25
kubottu2008/09/25 18:32 :: ~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks @ https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks (by Kubuntu Members)17:25
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ^17:25
LaserJockhi all, is kde or kde-core metapackages on the Kubuntu alternate CD?17:33
apacheloggerdebian bug 43936417:33
ubottuDebian bug 439364 in krita "krita crash when printing on the print preview button" [Normal,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/43936417:33
LaserJockI suspect not, but I don't know for sure17:34
NCommanderRiddell, I'm taking another shot at qtjambi, and kde4bindings17:50
* NCommander needs lamont though to pick his brain17:51
apachelogger kdelibs-4.1.2.tar.bz2          25-Sep-2008 12:53  8.7M17:51
NCommanderNew release?17:53
apacheloggerbatgetorig is broken17:53
apacheloggeroh my17:53
NCommanderIs it a bugfix only release?17:53
* apachelogger goes haxx0ring17:53
* NCommander plays with debootstrap17:54
jjessecan someone confirm a bug on kubuntu-docs for hardy, is there now an entry in the k menu for draw?18:07
jjesseopen office -> draw18:07
Riddellin intrepid it's Graphics -> Drawing18:08
JontheEchidnaRiddell: bug 27446718:08
jjessethanks Riddell18:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 274467 in adept "(Kubuntu Intrepid) After editing software sources in Adept and closing the window, Adept remains unresponsive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27446718:08
* JontheEchidna can confirm above bug18:09
JontheEchidnasoftware-properties also isnt' asking for a reload18:10
JontheEchidnait's not quitting properly18:10
NCommanderRiddell, I think I got qtjambi fixed18:12
RiddellNCommander: ooh?18:15
NCommanderRiddell, retest building it18:16
NCommanderBut I managed to make it build through on amd64, now just need to make sure it works correctly18:16
NCommanderRiddell, want me to clear lintian while I'm at it?18:17
apacheloggerRiddell: bug 27388118:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 273881 in koffice "koffice-libs depends on kghostview, which is no longer built by kdegraphics " [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27388118:18
NCommanderRiddell, uploaded to my PPA (let me make sure it still builds first)18:26
kubottu::members:: Kubuntu Members committed ~kubuntu-members/partitionman/ubuntu @ https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/partitionman/ubuntu18:32
kubottu::members:: Kubuntu Members committed ~kubuntu-members/amarok/ubuntu-kde4 @ https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/amarok/ubuntu-kde418:32
kubottu::members:: Kubuntu Members committed ~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu @ https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu18:32
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NCommanderRiddell, poke18:34
NCommanderqtjambi awaits your upload18:35
Nightroseapachelogger: you might want to keep an eye on http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=122236413802604&w=218:39
apacheloggerNightrose: I think the real problem is that it doesn't assign a not-used uid18:40
Nightrosemight be - but it might still be interesting to watch that18:40
apacheloggerwhich is already strange by the fact that one should have a safety net preventing kuser at any rate from reusing a uid18:41
apacheloggerNightrose: yeah, thanks :)18:41
JontheEchidnaoh, so that's probably why new users created with kuser don't work18:41
rgreeningRiddell: remember earlier I asked about slugish response... I found it's acutally a repaint issue. I wonder if it's related to the recent kdebase-workspace patches. Repaints aren't happening as they should18:42
JontheEchidnargreening: you mean parts of windows aren't repainting fully?18:42
JontheEchidnaI noticed that a few minutes ago18:42
rgreeningnot until I mouse over or the system finally decides to repaint18:43
JontheEchidnathink it's related to that new patch?18:43
rgreeningyes. going to test. revert the patch and see if it goes away18:43
* JontheEchidna can't reliably reproduce it18:44
rgreeninghmm... maybe it's x related .. I have an Intel card18:44
JontheEchidnaI have an nvidia card18:44
JontheEchidnaand everything was fine until today18:44
rgreeningwas using it all last night18:45
rgreeningit was definately a updat this morning which broke it for me18:47
* rgreening gonna reboot.18:48
JontheEchidnaLooking at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.2_Feature_Plan#kdebase-workspace I am thinking that KDE 4.2 is going to rock hard19:00
rgreeningJontheEchidna: still happens after reboot. Only thing it can be is related to compositing update/patch in recent updates I guess.19:04
rgreeningIf I disable compositing Effects, problem goes away19:05
rgreeningdo you see this issue? or am I the only one so far?19:06
RiddellI see it19:08
* JontheEchidna sees it19:08
rgreeningok, so a confirmed problem.19:09
* rgreening is not going crazy19:09
* rgreening wonders where to look19:09
rgreeningRiddell/JontheEchidna: Re-enabling Effects, but turning all plugins off causes prob to re-appear19:15
Riddellrgreening: and if you remove the recent kwin patch?19:16
Riddellor downgrade to old kde-window-manager .deb ?19:16
rgreeningin the process of looking for the old deb19:17
rgreeningversion 6?19:18
rgreeningyep. Installed. Gotta restart to test19:20
rgreeningRiddell: system didn't like that one bit19:30
rgreeningsome other package needs to be downgraded as well. kwin crashed and no composite effects will run19:31
NCommanderRiddell, poke?19:34
* rgreening suspects the following need to be downgraded as well: kdebase-workspace-bin_4%3a4.1.1-0ubuntu6_i386.deb kdebase-workspace-data_4%3a4.1.1-0ubuntu6_all.deb kdebase-workspace-libs4+5_4%3a4.1.1-0ubuntu6_i386.deb19:34
NCommanderRiddell, http://ppa.launchpad.net/sonicmctails/ubuntu/pool/main/q/qtjambi/qtjambi_4.4.2-0ubuntu4.dsc19:35
RiddellNCommander: ln -s qtjambi-linux32-gcc-$(QTJAMBI_VERSION).jar debian/tmp/usr/share/java/qtjambi-linux*-gcc.jar19:37
Riddellthat doesn't look right, it still says linux3219:37
NCommanderI fail19:38
* NCommander sucries away19:38
Riddelloh but we appreciate the attempt! :)19:38
rgreeningoh man....19:39
rgreeningno composite joy for /me19:40
NCommanderRiddell, http://pastebin.ca/121076319:40
JontheEchidnargreening: heh, I'm using XRENDER since nv doesn't do 3D19:40
RiddellNCommander: ln -s qtjambi-linux*-gcc-$(QTJAMBI_VERSION).jar debian/tmp/usr/share/java/qtjambi-linux*-gcc.jar19:41
RiddellNCommander: does that work?19:41
Riddella * won't work when there's no file19:41
NCommanderOn amd64, it generates qtjambi-linux64-gcc19:41
RiddellNCommander: really, you've built it?19:42
NCommanderI had to debootstrap a new chroot to do it19:42
NCommanderSomething in my normal intrepid desktop gave it gas19:42
Riddellbut how does it know what to put in place of the * for  debian/tmp/usr/share/java/qtjambi-linux*-gcc.jar  ?19:43
* NCommander runs19:44
* NCommander retest builds19:44
NCommanderBah :-P!19:44
NCommanderI'll let you know in 16 minutes if it does the Right Thing (tm)19:45
* rgreening gives up (for now)20:02
NCommanderRiddell, the debdiff I gave you does the right thing20:30
JontheEchidnaRiddell: so are we removing .svgz icons from all packages?20:31
NCommanderRiddell, http://pastebin.ca/1210763 - so this works20:32
kubottu::members:: Kubuntu Members committed ~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu @ https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu20:33
kubottu::members:: Kubuntu Members committed ~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks @ https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks20:33
NCommanderWhat are these pbuilder hooks?20:35
JontheEchidnahandy pbuilder hooks20:35
JontheEchidnaone does list-missing after dh_install20:36
JontheEchidnaanother dumps you to the chroot upon failure20:36
JontheEchidnaand another one pbuilder updates for you each time you pbuild something20:36
NCommanderWHats the fast way to install them :-)20:37
JontheEchidnaput 'em in .pbuilder-hooks20:38
JontheEchidnathen edit .pbuilderrc20:38
JontheEchidnaoh wait, maybe not edit .pbuilderrc20:38
JontheEchidnaapachelogger would know20:39
NCommandersounds handy20:39
NCommanderapachelogger, ping20:39
apacheloggersee readme20:40
* NCommander rubs Riddell's magic lamp20:40
NCommanderah, apachelogger :-)20:40
NCommanderRiddell, poke?21:14
kubottu::members:: Kubuntu Members committed ~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks @ https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks21:33
apacheloggerkde rev 84859221:43
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=848592&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 84859221:43
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: ^21:44
apacheloggershould be moved21:44
JontheEchidnalistmissing will say where in a bit anywayz21:44
apacheloggershould be subdirectorified to kcontrol/21:44
JontheEchidnaso here's a wild guess, knetworkconf is still broken in 4.1.2?21:45
* apachelogger only fixed the docs, so probably yes21:45
RiddellNCommander: pong22:02
NCommanderRiddell, the debdiff I pointed to you works right, I test built it22:03
RiddellNCommander: what does it call the symlink?22:03
RiddellJontheEchidna: you can remove them from others if you like, so far I've just removed them from kdebase-runtime since that saves a lot of space22:03
NCommanderi.e., it works like this22:03
NCommanderln qt-* /tmp/qt-*22:03
NCommanderAnd if qt-1,and qt-2 exist22:04
NCommanderthem you get /tmp/qt-1, tmp/qt-222:04
Riddell>ln qt-* /tmp/qt-*22:05
Riddellln: target `/tmp/qt-2' is not a directory22:05
NCommanderIt seems to work fine, in the rules, it did the right thing22:14
* NCommander grumbles22:14
RiddellNCommander: I just need to be sure since we're in beta freeze22:18
JontheEchidnaRiddell: so, what's darcs?22:18
RiddellJontheEchidna: it's the revision control system used by adept22:18
NCommanderWe're in beta freeze?22:19
RiddellJontheEchidna: if you have a patch I can add it to my branch22:19
NCommanderRiddell, well, I rewrote rules to do something else22:19
JontheEchidnaRiddell: I'll email it to you then22:19
RiddellNCommander: notice how we're all wearing scarves and jumpers?22:19
NCommanderI just dunno if my shell-foo does the right thing22:19
NCommanderI live in ROchester22:19
NCommanderThat's normal attire here22:19
NCommanderRiddell, how about this? http://pastebin.ca/121091122:20
Riddellif [ -e qtjambi-linux32-gcc-$(QTJAMBI_VERSION).jar ]; then22:21
RiddellI think that'll need a full path22:21
NCommanderRiddell, the ln command doesn't use it22:21
Riddellnot for the target, that's relative22:22
Riddellbut test will need to know where to look for it22:22
NCommanderYou lost me22:22
Riddellln -s qtjambi-linux32-gcc-$(QTJAMBI_VERSION).jar debian/tmp/usr/share/java/qtjambi-linux32-gcc.jar22:22
Riddelldebian/tmp/usr/share/java/qtjambi-linux32-gcc.jar is where it links from22:22
NCommanderno, thats where it links to22:22
NCommanderI'm right, source -> dest22:23
NCommanderor target -> link22:23
Riddellthe file that exists is the versioned one22:24
Riddellwe want to make a link from the unversioned one to the versioned one22:24
Riddellin the link command above "qtjambi-linux32-gcc-$(QTJAMBI_VERSION).jar" is just a string, it could be anything (but it's only useful if it happens to be the name of a file in the same directory as the source)22:24
NCommanderok ...22:25
Riddellbut the test command needs to know where the file it's testing for it22:25
NCommanderit will simply check the current working directory22:25
Riddell(unlink ln -s, which doesn't care if the file you're linking to exists)22:25
Riddelland the working directory is where the .jar files are made22:26
* NCommander steals Riddell's geek card :-P22:26
Riddellso we're both right22:26
Riddellgo us :)22:26
NCommanderOr we both fail22:26
NCommanderGlass half empty, or glass half full22:26
NCommanderYou decide22:26
NCommanderI'm building it now to make sure the rules do the right thing22:27
NCommanderHaving an old qtjambi for amd64 will likely reck havoc on anything depends on it22:29
NCommanderso it needs to be fixed now, or as an SRU right after intrepid releases22:29
kubottu::members:: Kubuntu Members committed ~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks @ https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks22:34
Riddellhello kubottu, where did you come from?22:37
kubottuyo Riddell22:37
NightroseRiddell: apachelogger22:37
Nightroseyo kubottu22:37
kubottuyo Nightrose22:37
Riddellapachelogger: what are you doing to pbuilder?22:37
apacheloggerRiddell: commiting nifty pbuidler hooks :)22:37
apacheloggerRiddell: very recommendable branch that is22:38
NCommanderRiddell, ok, my scripts seems to work22:45
NCommanderI'll post a debdiff to a bug later tonight, and get release to ACK it22:45
RiddellNCommander: no need, I can ack it22:47
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Nightroseapachelogger: tagging process finally started ;-)22:53
apacheloggerjust wait for the results :P22:54
Nightroseapachelogger: meh22:55
Nightroseafter checking out the popupdropper external it simply doesn't continue22:56
Nightrosedo you want me to paste it anyway?22:56
apacheloggerpress ctrl+c22:56
Nightroseapachelogger: http://pastebin.com/m53584b8222:57
apacheloggerNightrose: you are really using the latest revision?22:58
Nightroseyes - just merged a few mins ago22:58
apacheloggerclearly not good22:58
apacheloggerNightrose: I think you broke it23:03
Nightrosei don't even have access to it... :P23:03
Nightrosecommit access that is23:03
* rgreening is so full *hiccup*23:04
Riddellrgreening: so, remove that kwin patch?23:12
apacheloggerNightrose: you really broke it23:12
Nightroseapachelogger: how?23:12
rgreeningRiddell: not yet. Just finished dinner.23:13
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Riddellrgreening: and you're hoping to track down the issue and fix it?23:14
rgreeninggonna look into it shortly23:14
rgreeningI hope so23:14
Riddellthat's a pretty big undertaking, kwin is large and that patch is large23:14
Riddelland complex23:14
rgreeningI used to do this for Gentoo a couple of years back... got some skills. It's the Debian/Ubuntu that's new for me.. not the coding :)23:15
rgreeningRiddell: I'm thinking, if I remove patch 17 and rebuild and work from there. Was there any other patch added to other packages related to this?23:17
apacheloggerNightrose: I pushed a patch23:18
Nightroseapachelogger: ok - merging23:19
Nightroseapachelogger: want me to try it?23:19
apacheloggerRiddell, rgreening: what kwin patch?23:19
Riddellrgreening: that's all23:19
apacheloggerNightrose: yus23:19
Riddellapachelogger: great big one I added the other day (branch pull essentially)23:19
apacheloggerhm, IMHO -> remove it23:19
rgreeningkk. cool.23:20
apacheloggerwas worth a try, but since it causes issues in general, there is no telling it won't break on half the systems23:20
Riddellrgreening: if you wnat to track down the issue that's great of course23:20
rgreeningapachelogger: I'm going to remove it. I will alose review the code. I see where some potential issues are in it.23:21
Nightroseapachelogger: seems to work better - it is checking out translations now23:22
rgreeningRiddell: you may want to disable it in general. up to you. I'll still look into making it work (better)23:22
Nightroseapachelogger: seems to have worked \o/23:27
Nightrosei has a tarball23:27
jtechidnathe kubuntu ninjas haz tarball out the wazoo23:27
apacheloggerNightrose: taggign as well?23:28
* apachelogger notes that he doesn't like tarballs23:28
Nightrosejust tarball for now23:28
apacheloggerNightrose: what did break?23:28
Nightrosenothing so far23:28
* apachelogger smacks vorian23:28
Riddellapachelogger: why don't you like tars?23:29
apacheloggerRiddell: tar smells weird23:30
* apachelogger is way too tired23:31
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voriankubbu: don't forget kubottu23:34
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apacheloggervorian: what about it?23:39
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