[00:02] NCommander: I'm pretty sure that flag is needed by KDE [00:02] Riddell: if the kde crash dialog doesn't popup when plasma crashes, is there another way to gather data for aaron? [00:02] Riddell, I'm asking now in #kde-devel on the best way to solve it [00:02] seele: anything in /var/crash ? [00:05] Riddell: ah hah.. yep (didn't know about /var/crash..) [00:06] seele: does that have the plasma report? [00:06] yes [00:06] or at least it looks like it [00:06] ExecutablePath: /usr/bin/plasma [00:07] seele: if you run /usr/share/apport/apport-qt it should offer the chance to upload it to launchpad [00:08] Riddell: are there any arguments? it doesnt seem to do anything [00:08] hmm, no [00:12] seele: you can also disable apport in /etc/default/apport [00:12] and from a command line killall plasma; plasma [00:12] then crash it for the normal KDE dialogue [00:12] Riddell: it should be on by default though, right? [00:13] * seele checks [00:13] Riddell, so how high is your hack tolerance? [00:13] it is.. [00:13] seele: apport should be on by default [00:13] seele: any output from /usr/share/apport/apport-checkreports ? [00:14] NCommander: anything that works :) [00:14] Riddell, ah, good [00:14] Riddell: nope [00:15] seele: curious, apport thinks it's already reported your plasma issue [00:17] uhm.. huh. i disabled apport and restarted kde and crashed plasma and got the crash handler to report the bug? [00:17] enable means to turn it on right? [00:17] and 0 is disable? [00:18] seele: if you disable apport you will get the KDE crash handler [00:18] oh ok [00:18] that's fine then, at least i can coy the report out of the UI instead of look for stuff in /var/crash [00:18] is it the same data? [00:19] yes [00:20] ok.. so should i give this to launchpad or upstream? [00:20] upstream [00:20] we've not touched twitter [00:21] well i got it to do it for more than just twitter [00:21] so i dont know if its the same problem or not [00:21] NCommander: might this help? kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/xine-lib-1.1.15-cpp-compilation.diff [00:23] er, maybe [00:23] I dunno [00:23] NCommander: me neither :) let me try it [00:24] I added -Dinline=__inline__ [00:24] Which should work [00:24] beside siretart, is there anyone who works on xine a lot? [00:24] NCommander: this patch seems to work [00:25] I don't know of anyone [00:25] argh, so it would require making a change to xine [00:25] :-/ [00:25] well if xine is broken that seems a good place to fix it [00:26] It's not *strictly* broken [00:26] But yeah [00:26] Agreed [00:27] I'm going to make a slight change for this though [00:27] A bug should be filed [00:28] NCommander: what would you change? [00:28] Have it use __inline__ [00:28] Which is guaranteed by GCC docs to always be available [00:30] xine doesn't seem to have a patch system in it's packaging [00:30] evening [00:32] Riddell, it used to [00:32] I'm just adding dpatch, making my life easier [00:38] Riddell, testbuilding the fix [00:39] * Riddell crosses fingers [00:50] xine is built [00:50] Building kdebase [00:54] Riddell, any other ones for me to look at? === emma_ is now known as emma [00:58] Riddell, kdebase_runtime builds from source [00:59] I think that's all [00:59] NCommander: got a debdiff to upload? [00:59] I dumped the package into my PPA [01:00] hah, look at the concentation on my face, I wiped the smile off his when I overtook him on the last section http://jriddell.org/photos/2008-09-21-ratho-marathon-jonathan.jpg [01:01] lol [01:01] Riddell, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xine-lib/+bug/274194 [01:01] Launchpad bug 274194 in xine-lib "Xine's headers prevent C90 applications (like KDE) from compiling" [Low,In progress] [01:02] https://edge.launchpad.net/~sonicmctails/+archive - uploaded here [01:11] NCommander: oh, do you have an amd64? [01:12] yes? [01:13] s/./ [01:13] Actually [01:13] I have all Ubuntu architecture machines, or access to them [01:13] NCommander: fancy seeing if you can fix qtjambi for it? [01:13] (i386, amd64, lpai, powerpc, hppa, ia64 ...) [01:13] I can't get java to work on my amd64 for some reason, possibly the linux build is too old [01:13] I think qtjambi just needs qtjambi-linux32-gcc-4.4.2_01.jar changed to qtjambi-linux*-gcc-4.4.2_01.jar in debian/rules [01:14] Looks like it [01:14] Isn't there an Ubuntu porting box you can use? [01:14] not that I know of [01:14] I could use a PPA with trial and error I guess [01:14] Maybe its something we should look into providing ;-) [01:14] ouch [01:14] I'll get right on it [01:15] has feisty left support yet? [01:15] I know edgy has [01:16] not for 6 weeks [01:16] I just want to close every bug in feisty-backports ;-) [01:16] They're testing firefighter/fire extinisher myths on mythbusters :-) [01:17] mythbusters sounds interesting [01:17] Riddell, you don't have a TV license? [01:17] (they show it on BBC sometimes) [01:20] I don't have a tv licence no, can't say I've ever had the need of one [01:20] Riddell, the changelog says you already tried to fix this :-) [01:21] NCommander: right, but without a machine to test on, it's a bit trial and error :) [01:21] * NCommander rolls eyes [01:21] Has t? [01:21] er [01:21] has it every built on amd64? [01:21] it doesn't seem to have been on the bbc in the last year (or however far back this archive goes) [01:22] yes, the previous version built on amd64 [01:23] * NCommander figures out how to fix this [01:23] properly [01:24] It likely needs to do two build passes [01:24] it does? [01:24] why? [01:25] BEcause if someone is using java 32-bit on amd64, then it needs the plugin built for 32 bit architectures [01:26] But it seems the old plugin didn't do this [01:26] And that configuration isn't supported on Ubuntu anyway [01:27] wooo, FTBFS in four seconds [01:29] for jambi? [01:33] yeah [01:33] NCommander: what's wrong with it? [01:33] Seeing if I can reproduce at failure speed in pbuilder [01:33] No idea [01:37] so it only builds in pbuilder ... ;.; [01:40] I'm making some progress it seems [02:09] evening === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse === emma_ is now known as emma [03:56] Riddell, so did you retry kdebase-runtime yet? [04:01] * Hobbsee looks [04:01] it's still ftb. [04:04] NCommander: is that supposed to be fixed now? [04:04] Hobbsee, it needed an updated xine-lib which got uploaded an hour or so ago [04:05] NCommander: is it published? [04:05] Checking [04:06] Hobbsee, yes [04:06] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/xine-lib/1.1.15-0ubuntu3 [04:07] * Hobbsee hits the big red button [04:07] Thank you for pressing the self-destruct button [04:07] Launchpad will self-destruct in T-3 minutes [04:08] woot! [04:39] * NCommander watches the countdown hit 0, and LP FTBFS [06:19] apachelogger, ping [07:27] there is a font in intrepid kubuntu that when displayed in a very small size will render "R" as "P" [07:27] use an intrepid to browse http://www.economist.com/debate/index.cfm?action=article&debate_id=12&story_id=12070651 with firefox to find out [07:27] it will display "Russian" as "Pussian" [07:31] which font? [07:33] the font specified by that web page [07:33] i'll give you a screenshot [07:36] you should have your browser set to always use your preferred fonts... web designers tend to choose fonts that looks like crap on Linux [07:37] the web isn't a print magazine, content is too dynamic to put yourself at the mercy of someone else's font choices [07:37] i normally do that. [07:37] * Hobbsee wonders if yao_ziyuan has msttcorefonts installed, and it is using that, or something [07:38] uploading [07:38] incidentally this is a big reason web designers increasingly turn to Flash for more layout control, and users increasingly hate sites for using Flash ;) [07:38] i don't have ms tts fonts [07:38] yao_ziyuan: probably helvetica [07:39] http://i37.tinypic.com/546b04.jpg [07:39] second line in first paragraph [07:39] "to contain Pussian aggression" [07:41] yeah, that R looks slightly weird. [07:41] but the stick is clearly there [07:41] just slightly disconnected from the P part [07:42] well first of all, Firefox is a pure Gtk app rendered on the backend by the Freetype engine, separately from anything KDE has any control over, so this isn't a Kubuntu specific issue ;) [07:43] but i use gtk-qt-engine-kde4 to force gtk apps to use my kde fonts [07:43] even if you use the gtk-qt engine, firefox uses its own font rendering [07:43] it's special [07:43] it must be a problem with the font [07:43] most gtk apps don't ship with their own font rendering libs [07:51] the only fonts explicitly named in that page's CSS are Arial, Verdana, and Helvetica, so if you don't have msttcorefonts or Helvetica installed then you'll have to look at your system's font substitution settings to figure out what's actually being used there [07:52] goatsocks: he's gone. [07:52] goatsocks: but i'm sure he'll be back, for another drive-by soon. [07:52] gah he did it again [07:53] he really should get acquainted with launchpad [07:53] so far, i think he refuses to. he's been told to, enough times. [07:54] * Hobbsee suspects stronger action might be required. [07:54] hm, then i guess we should just /ignore him, as harsh as that sounds... why waste time on someone who won't stick around to help understand the alleged problems he discovers? [07:54] or persuasion [07:55] goatsocks: i'd think that banforwarding might be more effective, after a final warning - i don't think everyone would stick him on /ignore. [07:55] someone will usually answer [07:55] it's like someone who always files bugs that get marked "needinfo" and never go further than that [07:55] that's true [07:56] what's this "banforwarding"? [07:57] as in, when someone tries to join, and they get forwarded to another channel instead. [07:57] ah [07:57] trouble is, he's known to crosspost in #ubuntu+1, and occasionally #ubuntu-devel too [07:57] he may get forwarded from there too [07:57] there should be an interrogation channel that when you get forwarded there you can't leave ;) [07:59] hehe [08:13] guess i can take some satisfaction in having lied to him... seems that somewhere after 3.0.0 firefox started obeying global freetype settings [08:14] good for uniformity, but bad if you preferred the previous behavior [08:14] i suppose i'll get used to it === Hobbsee` is now known as Guest34533 === Guest34533 is now known as Hobbsee [09:47] hi there [09:48] is konversation compaining about the ldap ioslave o start ? [10:18] someone there to test latest kdesudo release ? [10:21] depends on what it fixes ;) [10:22] i can't `kdesudo dolphin` currently, is that addressed? [10:23] \sh: heh continuing fun with dual head and plasma just reebooted and i have the 2 cashews on my left head next to each other === davmor3 is now known as davmor2 [12:12] moin moin === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter [13:54] Wow, Riddell was on a roll yesterday [13:54] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/koffice-2-beta [13:55] jtechidna: rock. what did I do? [13:55] a lot, looking at the changelogs for kdebase-workspace [13:55] and -runtime [14:07] Heads up that the Documentation tab is broken on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu [14:13] jussi01: let me... [14:21] It's filed as a bug report at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/274394 [14:21] Launchpad bug 274394 in ubuntu "Documentation tab on the https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs page is broken." [Undecided,New] === Czessi_ is now known as Czessi [14:37] NCommander: pong [14:46] jtechidna: please screenie something koffice2ish [14:47] \o/ [14:47] * jtechidna haz idea [14:49] hm [14:49] still no 4.1.2 tag [14:49] lol, koffice crash [14:49] fail [14:49] \o/ [14:49] who's up for fixing https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/koffice/+bug/273881 ? [14:49] Launchpad bug 273881 in koffice "koffice-libs depends on kghostview, which is no longer built by kdegraphics " [High,Triaged] [14:56] jr apparently :P [14:56] yeah, i just assigned him. i'm sure you can steal it [14:57] * apachelogger points out that assigning jr without telling him doesn't make much sense, since he apparently reads only one bug mail per day :P [14:58] :P [15:00] Riddell: are you planing on backporting koffice 2 to hardy? [15:00] jtechidna: how is the screenie coming along? [15:00] oh rite [15:00] lol [15:00] apachelogger: I'm not, but it would be good if someone did [15:01] I haz screenshot, but I still need to screenie it [15:01] Riddell: I will just claim in the news that someone is working on it ;-) [15:02] how can one get 290 bug mails in 24 hours? [15:02] * apachelogger needs a coffee [15:03] apachelogger: people tagging things, etc. [15:04] Hobbsee: we barely use tags in Kubuntu [15:04] that's what i thought. but i thought the bugsquad might have started touching them. [15:05] though, that leads back to the need for configuration of bug mails [15:05] I really wouldn't want to see tag changes [15:05] it's not like they aren't all messed up anyway :P [15:05] heh [15:05] you can actually filter your bugmails, in some ways [15:06] any volunteers for the monthly team report? [15:06] * apachelogger points at rgreening [15:07] * rgreening exclaims "who me" [15:07] Hey there, I filed this, possibly in the wrong place, but maybe one of you guys can fix it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/274394 [15:07] Launchpad bug 274394 in ubuntu "Documentation tab on the https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Bugs page is broken." [Undecided,Confirmed] [15:07] little: yes, that is indeed the wrong palce :P [15:07] *place [15:07] Riddell: sure thing boss :) just point me in the right direction :P [15:08] oh [15:08] nice [15:08] we don't even have a doc page [15:08] ryanakca: RE little, were you looking at the wiki theme? [15:09] I was trying to find out how to write Kubuntu documentation. I've been helping the Ubuntu wiki, but I'm a Kubuntu user. [15:10] I logged on and tried to create a main Documentation page, since the link points to nowhere, and got this message, "Note that documentation on this wiki should be moved to the new documentation wiki at https://help.ubuntu.com/community." [15:10] So I take it all Kubuntu documentation is to be created on the Ubuntu wiki? [15:10] <--- (: [15:11] ohhhh [15:11] little: doc gos to help.ubuntu.com [15:11] apachelogger: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/kofficebeta.png [15:11] *goes [15:11] also [15:12] that bug is pretty easy fixable [15:12] * jtechidna exercises dog [15:12] poor dog [15:13] little: it would be cool if you could start a kubuntu intro page for https://help.ubuntu.com/community where the wiki can link to :) [15:13] little: you are interested in kubuntu docs? [15:13] join us at #ubuntu-doc [15:13] or on the ubuntu-doc mailing list [15:14] especially as it releasted to help.ubuntu.com/community [15:14] Yes, definitely, and working on joining that other channel. (: [15:14] Can I create the page linking to the Ubuntu wiki? I don't want to step on any toes. But it seems to me that it looks kind of bad to have that link point to an empty page. [15:16] jjesse: you noticed how weird that was? "interested in kubuntu docs?" .... "join us at #ubuntu-doc" [15:16] anyone interested in KDE, please join #gnome on irc.gnome.org :P [15:17] Riddell: do you know how to redriect pages in the wiki? [15:17] #REDIRECT FooBar [15:17] iirc. [15:17] jcastro: also for external redirects? [15:17] ah apachelogger, just the guy I wanted to talk to! [15:17] wiki -> help.ubuntu.com [15:17] oh [15:17] * apachelogger hides [15:17] I would have just put a hard link. Is the #REDIRECT FooBar the proper way? [15:18] redirect makes it so the user doesn't have to click anything [15:18] it just sends them along, I am not sure if it works for external links [15:18] someone please check the content of https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UserDocumentation?action=show [15:18] Is there a way to do it with a timer so there's time for them to see a message before it redirects? I don't know about you, but I'd be confused if I got redirected to an Ubuntu page without some explanation. [15:18] it redirects to help.ubuntu [15:18] apachelogger: I wanted to ask you to continue to do the "please file a bug upstream" and opening an upstream task. [15:19] jcastro: oh, right, there was something I wanted to complain about [15:19] * apachelogger gets his todo list [15:19] apachelogger: since we now have a list of those I am interested in seeing how well people come along after the fact and do that [15:20] heya jcastro! [15:20] jcastro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Watches the most important use case is not explained, when I mark the bug to affect upstream but don't add a link right away [15:21] * Nightrose waves [15:21] usually I hunt through the bugs and add the project without upstream URL asking for someone to forward the bug report [15:22] Did FF become the default browser? Cause I don't remember selcting it as default [15:22] that way one can search for bugs which need forwarding in advanced searches [15:22] I think the docs reflect that when they made them that they wanted to force people to go find the URL, heh [15:23] but yeah good point, I'll put it on my todo [15:23] rgreening: not really, but there are/were some dependency issues pulling in a lot of GNOME software, where it wasn't needed [15:23] jcastro: ok, thanks [15:24] jtechidna: please take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Upstream/KDE [15:24] In Konversation, I click a link and it launches FF. If I paste a URL in KRunner, it launches Konqueror.. Konversation is KDE 3.5, but it is inconsistant behav [15:24] rgreening: is FF instaleldby default now? [15:24] Think so [15:25] rgreening: fresh install of alpha6 doesnt' have FF [15:25] apachelogger: Once we fix the little details like this do you think an occasional hug day focusing on sending bugs upstream would be useful? [15:25] hmm... [15:26] apachelogger: what I think would work awesome would be people generally opening new upstream tasks as they see them, then every once in a while doing a "kdepim upstreaming day" or something [15:26] to drive that list down to as close to zero as possible, and then repeating [15:26] anyone find system lag happening recently? [15:26] jcastro: Sounds awesome. [15:27] I'm getting periodic freezes [15:27] apachelogger: what I am unsure about is when in the release cycle to push these - so I'm going to try a bunch and figure that out [15:28] jcastro: before upstream does a hugday on the affected product I'd say [15:28] ohh, that sounds like a good idea [15:28] say one week before upstream does a hugday on KDEPIM we do a KDEPIM upstreaming day [15:29] dinner time [15:32] jcastro: such stuff could be coordinated with one of the kde-bugsquad's bug-days [15:32] ah [15:32] apachelogger beat me... [15:32] :/ [15:35] * jtechidna is back === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [15:36] apachelogger: looks a bit sparse [15:40] JontheEchidna: exactly [15:40] hehe [15:41] hrm hrm [15:42] ~order coffee for Nightrose [15:42] * kubottu slides coffee with milk down the bar to Nightrose. [15:42] Nightrose: better than beating :P [15:43] \o/ [15:43] thanks :) [15:47] rgreening: What are you doing when your system freezes? [15:47] JontheEchidna, Nightrose: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/koffice-2-beta opinion [15:47] * Nightrose checks [15:48] * apachelogger notes that our color is _really_ bright [15:48] apachelogger: that is like _very_ short [15:48] Nightrose: f5 [15:48] apachelogger: d00d [15:48] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu intrepid main [15:48] intrepid? [15:48] intrepid-only for now [15:48] ah better [15:48] JontheEchidna: volunteers to backport welcome [15:48] oh, I misread [15:48] * JontheEchidna hides [15:48] apachelogger: which colour? [15:49] Riddell: the theme color [15:49] apachelogger: oxygen? [15:49] Riddell: no, what you did to oxygen [15:49] the adept howto needs updating too [15:49] something between our current colors and oxygen should be fine [15:49] apachelogger: is the adept howto still up to date for intrepid? [15:50] if not don't link to it [15:50] Nightrose: no [15:50] Nightrose: the stuff stays mostly the same [15:50] the snapshots just look different :P [15:50] well yea - imho the link is not needed and just confusing [15:50] apachelogger: I find oxygen too dark, but go ahead and commit if you have a better colour than our current lighter one [15:51] if you tell people to open adept and install something they should know how to do it [15:51] Riddell: I'll play with it a bit. BTW, do you know what is holding up the 4.1.2 tag so long? [15:51] well [15:52] apachelogger: dictator aseigo is too busy disciplining his son for using azereus to download torrents instead of ktorrent [15:52] We need new docs [15:52] :P [15:52] little: nothing except using konqueror. Though recent update added landscape-client.. I killed it. Think problem went away.. [15:52] apachelogger: I've not heard anything about 4.1.2 [15:52] apachelogger: Which docs? [15:52] should have been tagged yesterday 23:59 [15:52] :S [15:53] little: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto [15:53] apachelogger: are you talking about kubuntu-docs or something? [15:53] that shouldn't be Adept anyway [15:53] more like package mangement or something [15:53] apachelogger: i'm like 3/4 of the way done w/ an adept doc [15:53] jjesse: that is another thing, I barely read offline docs [15:53] little: nope happened again. Not landscape [15:53] apachelogger: that hurts [15:53] ;) [15:54] * apachelogger wants to remind on the proposal of using a wiki for most docs :P [15:54] apachelogger: don't go there :) we've debated that over and over again [15:54] Nightrose: gwen stefani, does amarok want to kill me or something? [15:54] hm [15:54] apachelogger: rofl - gwen stefani ftw [15:54] jjesse: letz redo that [15:55] nope [15:55] I herby propose the creation of an online documentation system with revision control and translation system [15:55] we deal w/ it every release [15:55] apachelogger: trhen you need to create it [15:55] I am already doing the task management software [15:56] jjesse: poke canonical in the eye [15:56] A general page for installing software: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware [15:56] that would be _one_ usecase where I actually think rosetta makes sense [15:56] rgreening: Is it a low-end machine? [15:56] apachelogger: i don't want to poke canonical, they might poke back [15:57] little: that should be splitted really [15:57] I see no reason why Kubuntu users would have to read the Ubustuff before [15:57] apachelogger: There's a Discuss this page link at the bottom. (: [15:57] jjesse: you gotta stand up for your work [15:57] apachelogger: would love to but just started a conference cal [15:57] Riddell: btw, do we really need to sheep landscape-client? [15:58] sheep? [15:58] * apachelogger doesn't see the rational, besides promotion [15:58] landscape-client does the motd stuff that's pretty cool [15:58] oh and eating my system resources [15:58] sign in via the command line [15:58] little: no. Never had issues before. Just noticed spike in Xorg CPU util 20% when it freezes. [15:58] And there were recent Xorg updates [15:59] little: I got lost :P [15:59] * JontheEchidna reboots [15:59] rgreening: Are you running Hardy, Intrepid? Which release are you using? [15:59] Intrepid. [16:00] Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/koffice-2-beta [16:00] JontheEchidna: thanks for the screenie [16:00] looks really goodly therely [16:00] rgreening: It's probably wrong of me to say this, but try Hardy. It's rock solid. Not problem one with it. (: [16:00] too much ly apaprently [16:01] Nightrose: when are you tagging? [16:01] little: defeats th purpose of assisting with Intrepid :) [16:01] Nightrose: I might have broken tagging when implementing changes required by kipiplugins [16:01] apachelogger: dunno - a few hours [16:01] maybe 2 or 3 [16:01] why? [16:01] ah [16:01] rgreening: Sorry. (: Have you tried the #kubuntu channel? They seem to have good support there. [16:01] apachelogger: landscape-client is in the platform seed, so pretty much unavoidable [16:02] so i should tag rather sooner that later apachelogger? [16:02]