[00:03] when will the beta for Intrepid Ibex be available? [00:08] dr_willis [00:08] help [00:08] I m encultivated in a cult [00:10] hello [00:10] kidding [00:27] hi guys [00:28] how can i make konqueror my default file manager [00:28] whenever i try to click on a device dolphi is started === fred_ is now known as Meskal === mschnee is now known as mschnee|out === emma_ is now known as emma === raul is now known as Idealist === Idealist is now known as raul === raul is now known as raul_ [01:10] ok [01:10] good night [01:10] it seems I'll have no answer [01:11] patience goes a long way [01:12] !patience | Denise [01:12] Denise: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [01:12] lol [01:12] okay [01:12] night [01:12] thanks chris [01:37] I have a laptop and I was wondering if any one else has the following problem: When I'm typing for a while sometimes my mouse acts as if it was clicked. This is annoying because it causes me to either lose focus on the text box or start typing in the middle of what I had already typed. I don't see this happen when I use the same computer under Windows XP. [01:37] you sure youre not accidentaly touching your trackpad? [01:38] i sometimes do that when typing notes at school [01:39] coreymon77: I thought it may be that, but that doesn't explain why I don't see it under Windows. [01:40] fluke? [01:40] coreymon77: It may be some difference in settings, perhaps Kubuntu is more sensitive... [01:40] my guess is that your palm is just accidentally touching the trackpad when typing [01:40] Does anyone know of a mouse sensitivity setting under kubuntu. [01:41] coreymon77: It may well be a fluke too. [01:41] look in system prefs [01:41] under mouse [01:41] system prefs = system settings? [01:41] should be there [01:41] thats what i meant [01:42] The only applicable one I see is pointer threshold which is specified in pixels. [01:42] That probably determines whether a widget should get clicked on though. [01:43] i dunno [01:43] look around in the settings [01:43] check google about adjusting trackpad sensitivity [01:45] I get this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4952350 I don't see any sensitivity slider. [01:46] I'll try editing the xorg.conf ... CAREFULLY... [01:46] dont [01:47] do some more google searching [01:47] maybe specify kubuntu rather than ubuntu [02:09] Hello [02:10] Is my console suppose to say user@user-desktop [02:10] The -desktop part seems weird [02:10] no [02:10] its fine [02:10] Ok [02:10] thats your computer name [02:13] tacosarecool: that's also configurable once you get into linux a bit [02:13] mine is user@lappy-486 (i'm a bit of a strongbad fan) [02:15] meh, i hav a naming scheme for all of my electronics [02:16] i always do C (the first letter of my name) followed by what the thing is [02:23] This command won't work for some reason I'll just keep on trying it [02:26] !virtualbox [02:26] virtualbox is a x86 !virtualizer. A !free edition is available from !Gutsy as 'virtualbox-ose'. A non-free edition is available at http://virtualbox.org for most Ubuntu releases (help in #vbox) - Setup details at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox === emma_ is now known as emma [02:27] anyone knows a guide for how to recompile the virtualbox kernel module? [02:27] vrtualbox? [02:27] DreadKnight: you updated your kernel, and now vbox won't run? [02:27] why are you using that [02:27] vmware is much better [02:28] ign0ramus: something like that :-) happened a lot of times; heard intrepid won't have this issue anymore [02:28] coreymon77: vmware open source? ^^ [02:28] vmware player is [02:28] !vmware [02:28] VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", only for Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers [02:28] DreadKnight: if you download the .deb from Sun, and re-install it, it should work. I had the same issue a few weeks ago [02:29] never used vmware.. only familiar with vbox, the open source edition .. only one i found my way with [02:29] DreadKnight: make sure you grab the PUEL version [02:29] umm, thats the point [02:29] vmware is much easier to use [02:29] much more intuitive [02:29] since vmware as a company has had much more experience with the technology [02:30] hmm [02:30] ign0ramus: ose edition :P [02:30] coreymon77: ok.. so i have some .iso images i wanna try out (linux distros) [02:31] how would i proceed? [02:31] vmware player doesn't allow you to create new images [02:31] much more experience + big corporate backing usually = better/more intutive product [02:31] ign0ramus: ya, but easyvmx does [02:32] :\ [02:32] ign0ramus: plus you could always just download vmware workstation as the 30 day free trial to create the images [02:32] then use player to run them [02:32] seems like more complicated to get into / set up [02:32] nope [02:32] * DreadKnight goes to find out how to recompile kernel module [02:32] but, if you dont want to bother, than be my guest [02:32] :D [02:33] it has a GUI at least? [02:33] yes [02:33] coreymon77: although shared folders in Vbox are a pain... any better in vmware? [02:33] vmware is entirely gui [02:33] ign0ramus: seamless from what i have seen [02:33] well, nearly [02:33] ign0ramus: www.getdropbox.com best thing for sharing/back-up/sync [02:33] coreymon77: well, once they're set up in Vbox, they work fine, but setting them up is a pain [02:34] vmware is entirely gui based [02:34] so, i tend to find it much easier is aspects such as those [02:34] DreadKnight: I refuse to back up my personal files on an online database [02:34] install vmware tools and bingo, nearly seamless [02:34] xD [02:35] i'm not even sure where to install it from coreymon77 [02:35] hi [02:35] DreadKnight: ubottu just told you [02:35] of course, vmware player, being free and open source, is not vmwares strongest and most inntegrated product, but oh well [02:35] !vmware | DreadKnight [02:35] DreadKnight: VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", only for Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers [02:35] but... it's free [02:36] ign0ramus: exactly [02:36] I'm looking for a decent archiver that will integrate with Konqueror. I want to be able to right-click a bunch of files, and have the option to put them in an archive. The default archiver (Ark) fails miserably at this. [02:36] i have hardy [02:36] MachinTrucChose: p7zip? [02:36] no vmware-player around.. [02:36] DreadKnight: jsut look at the links [02:36] not sure if that has a gui mode, though :/ [02:36] !info vmware [02:36] Package vmware does not exist in hardy [02:37] ign0ramus: how do Linux users typically archive files? They go to the command-line every time? [02:37] !info vmware-player [02:37] Package vmware-player does not exist in hardy [02:37] MachinTrucChose: i don't like admitting this, but i still use winrar under wine just because it is still (imho) the most comprehensive gui-based archiver [02:37] MachinTrucChose: ark is good for simple tasks, but gui-wise, it fails a lot [02:38] !archive [02:38] Sorry, I don't know anything about archive [02:38] ign0ramus: probably a good idea. I miss Winrar. [02:38] don't use ark-kde4 [02:39] DreadKnight: i know. sucks hard. [02:39] :-) [02:39] MachinTrucChose: no one here will like this, but honestly, winrar works perfectly in wine [02:40] ark is also very flaky with encrypted archives [02:40] unrar is pretty powerful, but not good if you want a gui [02:40] ign0ramus: I don't get it, why doesn't someone integrate 7zip or something? I use it at work on my Windows PC, it's pretty decent. How hard would it be to hook it in Konqueror? [02:40] MachinTrucChose: licensing. [02:40] it's FOSS [02:41] LGPL license === sean is now known as Guest72276 [02:41] MachinTrucChose: from the home page: "Most of the source code is under the GNU LGPL license." [02:43] MachinTrucChose: in any event, Kubuntu will most likely use some KDE app as a default archiver... but it's open source, so you do whatever you want [02:44] i just upgraded to ibex, but i cant get networking to work === ubuntu is now known as Tinason [02:45] Tinason: that's nowhere near enough information to even begin troubleshooting [02:45] Tinason: also, it's still Alpha, isn't it? [02:46] try #ubuntu+1 [02:46] i installed hardy, networking worked just fine, out of the box . then i put ibex a6 on, and networking doesnt work at all [02:46] thanks [02:47] Tinason: #ubuntu+1 is your Intrepid channel, but i definitely see more questions than answers... good luck to you [03:25] hello everyone [03:30] how do i add an user to vboxusers group thingy? [03:30] command line [03:32] I was wondering if KDE 4.1 was good enough to use as an everyday desktop (opinions)? I'm using KDE 3.5.10. Thank You. [03:32] DreadKnight: sudo usermod -G newgroupname username -a <-- the -a is uber important otherwise newgroupname is the only group they will belong to [03:33] sudo usermod -G vboxusers dread -a [03:33] ...Usage: usermod [options] LOGIN [03:35] genii: thanks but something wrong.. need to create the group first perhaps? [03:37] DreadKnight: Yes the group needs to exist first [03:37] DreadKnight: You can try also alternate syntax of: sudo usermod -G -a vboxusers dread [03:38] yeah, i'm making some progress [03:42] how do I add Japanese input support to Kubuntu 8.04? [03:42] hello, i've connected to my corporate vpn using the cisco anyconnect client. i can ping my windows workstation.... how can i RDP into it? (i can RDP in from windows easy) [03:43] running kubuntu 8.04 by the way [03:44] genii: thanks for the help; managed to fix this shit :-) (not the first time i stumble into issues with virtualbox...) [03:45] DreadKnight: np. Remember to use that command with caution since if forget the -a the user will only be in the one group and no others including their native one [03:45] xD [03:48] AH [03:49] rdp:/ipaddress [03:49] got it [04:11] Is there a active news group for Kubuntu? [04:12] i dont know [04:12] but when is the next version coming out? [04:12] crzyboi_Laptop, they generally come out in six month intervals [04:12] ya [04:13] i'm trying to use ssh on my laptop to log into my desktop. when the laptop has a wired connection it works, but when i'm wireless it doesn't. i think it might be because ssh is trying to use the wired connection when i am wireless. does this sound plausible, and how do i fix it? [04:13] Ash-Fox, prbly sometime in october [04:13] thats when it was last yr [04:13] Might be November, seems it gets delayed slightly all the time. [04:14] hardy heron came out on time [04:17] There is now talk of offsetting Kubuntu rellleases from regular Ubuntu releases by 4 months to synchronise with KDE release schedules [04:18] chipbuddy: do you have the ports forwarded? [04:18] d0wn i set the to open with firestarter... is port forwarding something different? [04:19] * crzyboi_Laptop will bbl [04:22] chipbuddy: when you have it connected via ethernet, is it going through your router, or directly into the desktop? === warnet6 is now known as warnet6_ === warnet6_ is now known as warnet6 [04:40] hello [04:40] /mw buys coffee for everyone [04:40] Yay, coffee! [04:40] where can i download nice screen savers? i want something that really shows off my gfx card [04:41] surely theres some in the repos right? [04:41] g i like the standard ones [04:41] i dont they are weak [04:42] !compiz [04:42] Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness from KMenu -> System -> Desktop Effects - further help in #compiz-fusion [04:42] compiz blows [04:45] surgy: http://parker1.co.uk/eternity/ [04:46] awsome thnx genii [04:46] surgy: np [04:46] btw mind if i ask where you keep your bottle? [04:47] surgy: In my vest pocket, full of scotch ;) [04:47] top drawer , doesn't everyone? [04:47] lol [04:48] i ment the one he lives in lol [04:49] sip slowly young friend [04:50] anyone else have sporadic problems with the medibuntu repo? [04:50] all of my actions with kubuntu are sweetness and light [04:50] lol [04:51] you say that as you pound your head into your monitor? [04:51] ok im off to watch 3 kings [04:52] i heard its a dfecent flick [04:52] no , actually I'm a reformed windows guy , windows =crash every other month , kubuntu no crashes yet [04:52] ill catch you guys latters, and thanx again for the screen saver link genii [04:52] surgy: Have FUN :) [04:53] mr---t-: same here, only problem is that it will never crash, and when its time to add something i cant make it crash! some times i yearn for a crash to tell me i did something wrong, instead of just an "it might have worked! GRATS!" [04:53] latter guys [05:09] hi [05:09] anyone know how to get dual monitors going with an nvidia card? [05:16] !dual [05:17] hrmm [05:20] !twinview [05:21] no bot [05:47] does anyone here use scim? [06:04] i need help lol [06:07] so no one could help me out with setting up alternate input (like for Japanese) in Kubuntu? [06:08] thedark: Maybe ask in #scim although it sweems somewhat empty. There is also always google [06:08] I have been googling and fiddling for a good while now... days :( [06:09] thank you for replying though [06:12] thedark: Did you try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM/Kubuntu already? It's older but should still be applicable [06:14] actually no, I only looked at newer guides on the forum [06:15] I'm reading it now, thanks :) [06:27] anyone here who has the ndis drivers for the broadcomm bcm4311 (43xx) wifi? i cant connect to http to download them or i wouldnt be asking in here and i think my drivers are causing connection issues [06:36] hey, does the latest kernel in ubuntu support the intel ICH10 sata controller card? [06:41] <_2> anyone know off hand the minimum CPU and SFB speed needed to play dvd smoothly ? [06:43] _2: Something like p2 233 [06:43] Which ain't much [06:44] <_2> agreed. so why can't a coppermine 1ghz do it ? [06:45] <_2> and think of who you are talking to before you say "too many other things going on" [06:45] swap use perhaps [06:45] <_2> no swap [06:46] <_2> i supose that 512m ram is plenty [06:46] Tried from mounted iso instead of physical dvd? [06:47] <_2> i've tried just playing the .vob's off the hard drive [06:48] <_2> still runns for a few seconds and skips. it's like something is overloading and having to catch up [06:49] I had a similar issue when streaming from ext filesystems but not xfs [06:49] never did track it down exactly [06:49] <_2> this 1ghz is the 'slowest' box i've tried it on, is why i was asking. [06:50] <_2> you know i'm not sure but i think it may work better from the dvd drive than the hard drive which flys in the face of reason. [06:52] <_2> err actually maybe it doesn't, they are both ide but seperate channels. so it could be bottlenecking at the ide buffer maybe ? [06:54] <_2> genii do you think it's the ide bus overloading ? http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/2042 [06:55] geez 33Mhz [06:56] <_2> that's output of lshw [06:56] Is it actually 66? You could set ide=66 or so (exact command I forget now, been long) [06:57] <_2> i think it's actually 100mhz [06:57] <_2> but may be in "compatability mode" in bios because of an old drive ??? [06:58] <_2> and yes iirc linux "assumes 33mhz" on everything that doesn't specify [06:59] idebus=100 I think [07:00] maybe 66 for safety first [07:00] <_2> heh k i'll give that a shot when i reboot. [07:00] <_2> this is 100 mhz no? 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801BA IDE U100 (rev 02) [07:01] The drive is [07:01] But bus speeds are normally like 33 66 133 [07:01] no wait [07:01] * genii re examines [07:01] <_2> that's not the drive that's the ide bus ^ lspci out [07:01] Yeah it's 100 [07:02] The 828xxxxx clued me in (tired) [07:03] <_2> tired? it's only 08:00 [07:03] 2am here [07:03] <_2> oh yeah canada right [07:03] !time Toronto [07:03] Sorry, I don't know anything about time toronto [07:04] bah forgot even that syntax [07:04] <_2> !schedual toronto [07:04] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [07:04] <_2> pfft [07:05] Weird. time Toronto works with private ubottu but not here [07:05] Anyhow, 2:05am [07:05] set up differently , this one is for ubuntu related only [07:05] lol :D [07:06] same here [07:06] !foo [07:06] bar [07:06] @schedule toronto [07:06] Schedule for America/Toronto: 26 Sep 11:00: Ubuntu Release | 29 Sep 00:00: Arizona LoCo IRC | 30 Sep 11:00: Server Team | 30 Sep 15:00: LoCo Council | 01 Oct 13:00: QA Team | 01 Oct 18:00: Platform Team [07:06] !bar [07:06] baz [07:06] jussi01: Thanks [07:07] <_2> ah at and not not [07:07] * _2 forgets [07:07] genii: there is a difference between commands '@' and factoids '!' [07:07] oh yah forgot about that too [07:07] @time Toronto [07:07] Current time in America/Toronto: September 25 2008, 02:07:31 - Next meeting: Ubuntu Release in 1 day [07:07] There we go [07:08] Sign I should get some sleep :) [07:08] Goodnight all, back in 7 hours [07:08] ahh ubuntu release in 1 day? [07:08] <_2> shalom genii [07:08] 4.2? [07:09] <_2> year.month [07:09] <_2> time based versioning [07:10] <_2> 4.10 was the first ubuntu release [07:10] o0Chris0o: next meeting is the Ubuntu Release team, and its in 1 day... [07:10] oh [07:10] makes sense now [07:10] anyway, shall we meander back to support questions then? [07:11] <_2> jussi01 there wasn't any [07:11] _2, ok then... anyway, shall we meander back to support questions or general silence then? [07:12] :) [07:12] <_2> i mean i did ask some info about minimum requirements for dvd play but that's all i have seen sense arival. [07:12] <_2> and what good is silence ? ;/ [07:13] _2: Best this place is silent except for support questions. you are more than welcome to join us in #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. [07:14] <_2> dollar aganist the hole in a doughnut #kubuntu-offtopic is dead too. [07:26] hey all [07:26] i have a ps2->usb adapter that works in other distros, but not 8.04.1 [07:26] ive verified that the usbhid module is loaded, and that appears to be the module the other distros use [07:26] im somewhat stuck here [07:27] oh, only the mouse half works. its one of those pogtail ends, with a din for mouse and for keyboard [07:29] Is Kubuntu as fast as Ubuntu? [07:34] yes, kubuntu is more graphical then gnome basicly [07:47] privet === desti_T2 is now known as desti === TeLLuS_ is now known as TeLLuS [08:23] <[hubert|chang]> Hi, What language is this "Evet arkadaşlar Islem COK Basit" ? === Woof is now known as ^Someone^ [08:27] [hubert|chang]: bit offtopic for here, next time use #kubuntu-offtopic - but that looks a bit like turkish to me [08:28] <[hubert|chang]> jussi01, Thanks :) Wont do that again. [08:29] :) [09:34] which command shows avaiable processor extensions? [09:34] cat /proc/cpuinfo maybe? [09:35] thank you :) [09:35] np [09:35] there's alot of fun information in there :) === rysiek is now known as mopsbot [09:53] firefox just got upgraded, but now i can't get to google docs [09:53] how do i unupgrade firefox? [09:59] how I change the desktop envirorment ? [10:02] yo yo yo [10:05] hi guys i had a rt73 wifi driver (which is kubuntu's default one) that wasnt working well, pinging my router i had 50% packet loss and the connection was super slow, thus i removed it and installed the "compat-wireless" driver as the kubuntu wiki suggests, pinging my router at that point gave me 0% packet loss and everything was going good, till yesterday, even with this new driver now ivegot again 50% packet loss... what happened? can [10:05] somebody help? thank you [10:07] neSSun0o: is the new software loaded or has it snapped back to the old? [10:07] how do i know that ActionParnsip? [10:07] how can i check it? [10:08] neSSun0o: do what you did to get the new system instated [10:09] oh no please... it was a long process [10:10] isnt there a simple command to check what driver version im using now? [10:10] so at least i no if i have to restart everything again... [10:12] lshw should help [10:13] lshw -C network [10:16] neSSun0o: any good? [10:18] ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/50416/ [10:18] i don't find it do you? [10:18] I keep on having problems with Amarok and xine/audio drivers (busy, etc), how can I spot in the console the 'busy' xine drivers? [10:18] or audio drivers used by another application? [10:19] neSSun0o: dont do that. dont paste stuff twice, its pointless [10:19] let's say FF does take some priority over Amarok, I want to know what I need to kill to get Amarok working again [10:19] ActionParsnip: giving "lsmod" this appears http://paste.ubuntu.com/50417/ but i still don't know [10:20] what u mean twice? [10:20] neSSun0o: in both rooms [10:20] i didnt paste it twice... only once, the second link it's the output of a different command [10:20] neSSun0o: what wireless device do you have? [10:20] in both rooms i did it before because noone was answering here [10:20] but now im only here because ur helping [10:21] neSSun0o: well i was websearching, give me chance [10:21] alright [10:21] sorry man [10:21] np dude [10:21] ok, what wireless device do you have? [10:21] mmm i dunno :D [10:21] neSSun0o: lspic [10:21] im quite of a newbie [10:21] it says command not found...? [10:22] bentob0x: you could renice amarok to have more cpu time [10:22] lspci [10:22] ell ess pee see eye [10:22] lspci [10:22] ActionParsnip: fail! :P [10:22] * ActionParsnip hugs jussi01 [10:23] tab completion is riining my keyboard skills [10:23] see ^ [10:23] would that change the fact that the xine thing is busy? [10:23] im trying to pastebin it but because of packet loss its taking a bit [10:24] neSSun0o: i only need the 1 line for your wireless [10:24] neSSun0o: i dont need the rest do i [10:24] http://paste.ubuntu.com/50419/ [10:24] sorry i didnt know [10:25] think about it [10:25] ok, is this a usb wireless? [10:25] yes [10:25] ok, lsusb [10:26] give me the pastebin [10:26] of that [10:27] alright [10:28] its taking too long and all the lines are "empty" apart from these two [10:28] Bus 006 Device 003: ID 0b05:1723 ASUSTek Computer, Inc. [10:28] Bus 001 Device 003: ID 046d:c03d Logitech, Inc. [10:31] hmm [10:31] try dmesg | grep ASUSTek [10:31] it may help [10:31] it appears to be a rt2500 chip [10:32] nothing happens [10:33] bah [10:33] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/144448 [10:33] Ubuntu bug 144448 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "rt2500usb module not working with asus wl-167g wifi stick (dup-of: 134660)" [Undecided,New] [10:33] Ubuntu bug 134660 in linux-backports-modules-2.6.24 "Ralink rt2400 / rt2500 / rt2570 / rt61 / rt73 do not work out of the box in Gutsy/Hardy" [High,Fix released] [10:34] try dmesg |grep rt [10:34] well [10:34] dmesg |grep rt | less [10:37] sorry i got disconnected [10:37] ActionParsnip: there you go http://paste.ubuntu.com/50422/ [10:38] hmm not helpful [10:38] jussi01: can you pitch in anything useful at all please? [10:39] hey guys [10:39] alright im thinking how can i know what wifi driver is installed on my machine? i can try to install another one and see how it goes cuz as u were saying neSSun0o: is the new software loaded or has it snapped back to the old? this could be [10:39] just wondering if somebody could help me choose a linux distro for my dedicated server [10:40] i have the choice between CentOS 4/5 and Red Hat Fedora Core 7 ... any ideas? [10:40] MikeyLDS: go with what you are comfortable configuring [10:41] neSSun0o: well you need to see if its using the one you know works or the old one [10:41] yes [10:41] well, I don't know any of them ActionParsnip :P [10:41] how? [10:42] i use kubuntu on my lappy ... but have never hosted a website before [10:42] MikeyLDS: then you'll have to try a few to see which you prefer [10:42] MikeyLDS: if you like ubuntu, use ubuntu [10:42] thats the problem ... the hosting company is only giving me the option of the 3 that I mentioned [10:43] i was just hoping somebody might be able to point me in the right direction ... whatever I choose I am going to have to stick with ya see [10:43] MikeyLDS: then read reviews of each, its a fairly strange thing to ask a user imho [10:43] really [10:43] people used to be so helpful in here [10:43] neSSun0o: ok is your network interface called wlan0 [10:44] MikeyLDS: as a user you shouldnt need to worry what OS the hosting has [10:44] most experienced users that I have met in here have had experience with different flavours [10:44] MikeyLDS: as long as the site stays up etc [10:44] and that is why I am asking for opinions! lol [10:44] MikeyLDS: redhat is a solid server technology and id personally shoot for that [10:44] wlan0 yes so? [10:45] MikeyLDS: i dont see why as a customer you get that choice [10:45] neSSun0o: sweet [10:45] thanks ... thats all I was looking for :P [10:45] ?huh? [10:45] yeah, well I was a lil confused too [10:45] neSSun0o: try sudo dmesg | grep -i ethernet; sudo dmesg | grep -i wlan0 [10:46] 2 different commands? or on the same line? [10:46] neSSun0o: yes theyll run one after another [10:47] thats what the ; is for [10:47] you can write thousands of command on the same line if you want [10:47]