[00:07] <Volkodav> nvidia fails to load in 27-4 kernel again? whassup with that nvidia ?
[00:10] <dn_> use your old kernels
[00:11] <Volkodav> smart answer
[00:11] <Volkodav> helps to resolve it too
[00:11] <burner> works here
[00:12] <Volkodav> hmm
[00:12] <Volkodav> I wonder if it overwrote the xorg.conf again after upgrade
[00:12] <Volkodav> have to check
[00:44] <kimus> hi, I upgrade to Intrepid but NetworkManager does not connet
[00:45] <kimus> dhclient eth0 works fine
[00:52] <kimus> anyone?
[00:53] <kimus> help me! :-D
[00:54] <darthanubis> !help
[00:54] <darthanubis> !help me
[00:54] <darthanubis> !please
[01:00] <kimus> hi, I upgrade to Ubuntu Intrepid but NetworkManager does not connect. dhclient eth0 works fine
[01:24] <DBO> does anyone know why my system might suspend fine in the 2.6.26 linux-rt kernel for intrepid, but fail horribly in the 2.6.27-4 (and all the way back to -2 and possibly earlier) kernels?
[01:30] <TuTUXG> after the kernel update my Ethernet is gone
[01:31] <DBO> TuTUXG, do you have a newish laptop?
[01:32] <TuTUXG> ifup eth0 says unknow interface
[01:32] <TuTUXG> not really that new, thinkpad t61p
[01:32] <DBO> TuTUXG, there is a really decent chance that your thinkpad, like mine, is using the e1000e driver
[01:32] <TuTUXG> um...
[01:32] <DBO> which has a wonderful bug of shitting all over its own firmware completely bricking the chip
[01:33] <DBO> so they removed the driver for now
[01:33] <TuTUXG> DBO, so your ethernet is gone as well?
[01:33] <DBO> yes
[01:33] <TuTUXG> ...
[01:33] <TuTUXG> which thinkpad u have?
[01:33] <DBO> T500
[01:33] <TuTUXG> wow, that's new
[01:34] <DBO> yeah
[01:34] <TuTUXG> how is it?
[01:34] <DBO> well, I dont suggest it until linux gets its suspend shit together
[01:34] <DBO> but its nice
[01:34] <DBO> and dont believe anything you read about "soft" keyboard
[01:34] <TuTUXG> suspend works here ;D
[01:34] <DBO> its just as firm as the 61
[01:35] <TuTUXG> cool, are you using the open source ati driver?
[01:35] <DBO> i have it with just the intel x4500
[01:35] <DBO> i wanted all open source drivers
[01:35] <TuTUXG> that's nice
[01:36] <DBO> but... it seems that was all a moot point (if I sound a bit bitter, I am... I mean wtf, intel basically develops xorg...)
[01:36] <TuTUXG> so how about the ethernet, we just wait?
[01:36] <DBO> yes
[01:36] <DBO> wait
[01:37] <TuTUXG> um...
[01:37] <DBO> unless you want to RMA your laptop
[01:37] <TuTUXG> RMA?
[01:37] <DBO> Return to Manufacturing
[01:37] <TuTUXG> lol
[01:37] <DBO> or something
[01:38] <TuTUXG> i already did that, one of mine usb port is broken, i had it replaced
[01:38] <DBO> yeah, you probably dont wanna do that again over a crap driver
[01:38] <TuTUXG> no...
[01:39] <DBO> I STRONGLY suggest leaving it disabled until its ready again
[01:39] <DBO> or revert to a 2.6.26 kernel
[01:39] <TuTUXG> too bad i removed the 27-3 kernel
[01:39] <DBO> the linux-rt kernel which is available doesn't have the bug
[01:39] <DBO> i think it has the driver too
[01:39] <DBO> you can use that
[01:39] <DBO> if you were to use the 27-3 you might brick your hardware
[01:40] <TuTUXG> it was working with the first 27-4 kernel, but not after the update, it's gone
[01:40] <DBO> right
[01:40] <DBO> the only change was to remove the driver
[01:40] <DBO> it randomly will brick the hardware
[01:40] <DBO> you really dont want to be using it
[01:41] <TuTUXG> i was looking at the changelog and notice that they took the e1000e driver, i didnt know that was mine...
[01:41] <DBO> yeah
[01:42] <TuTUXG> so if i use the rt kernel, mine nvidia driver will work?
[01:42] <DBO> it should
[01:43] <TuTUXG> um...
[01:43] <DBO> ?
[01:43] <DBO> you cant just install linux-rt, you have to install the sub packages
[01:43] <DBO> the meta package is broken
[01:43] <DBO> sorry, forgot to mention that
[01:44] <TuTUXG> so when do i actually need to manually use dkms ?
[01:45] <TuTUXG> what do u mean the sub packages? like?
[01:46] <DBO> sudo aptitude install linux-image-2.6.26-1-rt
[01:46] <TuTUXG> DBO, cool, i will try that
[01:47] <TuTUXG> DBO, is there any way to install the driver manually?
[01:47] <DBO> TuTUXG, again, you REALLY dont want to do that
[01:47] <DBO> it will BREAK your hardware
[01:48] <TuTUXG> um...
[01:48] <DBO> it is in 2.6.26 safely... if you use it in 2.6.27, it will break your hardware
[01:49] <TuTUXG> understood
[01:49] <TuTUXG> DBO, thanks a lot, man
[01:49] <TuTUXG> are you using 2.6.26 now?
[01:50] <DBO> i am on 2.6.27 trying to make my suspend work
[01:50] <DBO> basically
[01:50] <DBO> linux sucks
[01:50] <TuTUXG> lol
[01:50] <DBO> i dont ever use my ethernet however
[01:50] <DBO> so losing the driver has no impact on me
[01:51] <DBO> I only use wifi
[01:51] <TuTUXG> i have wireless, but my router is crappy
[01:51] <TuTUXG> disconnect itself randomly...
[01:52] <davismj> yea what the heck happened to suspend
[01:52] <davismj> it works 50% of the time for me
[01:52] <TuTUXG> lol
[01:52] <TuTUXG> wait, let me try
[01:52] <davismj> i'm in class, about to head to the next class
[01:52] <davismj> i hit suspend
[01:52] <davismj> pack up and walk
[01:52] <davismj> a minute later as i'm walking i hear the ubuntu drums login sound
[01:53] <davismj> i'm like...wtf
[01:53] <DanaG> For me, on my nvidia box, it works once, but usually fails the second time.
[01:53] <davismj> suspend is a gpu function?
[01:53] <DanaG> No, but video drivers can break it sometimes.
[01:53] <davismj> oh
[01:53] <davismj> yea i've got a 7600 go
[01:53] <DBO> i am using intel drivers
[01:54] <DBO> this shit should not be a problem
[01:54] <DBO> for all we talk about how great linux is
[01:54] <davismj> yo
[01:54] <davismj> dbo
[01:54] <DBO> OS X and Windows blow it out of the water for shit like suspend
[01:54] <DBO> yeah?
[01:54] <davismj> you know you're using an alpha right?
[01:54] <DanaG> Hmm, /me checks his hard drive yanked from the Gateway laptop, to see if it's using 2.6.27.
[01:54] <davismj> you know if you load up 8.04 it'll work like a dream...?
[01:54] <DBO> davismj, no it wont
[01:54] <DanaG> Pro/1000 PT (8086:109b) is one of the affected ones, I think.
[01:54] <davismj> it did for me...
[01:54] <DBO> 8.04 doesn't support my half year old hardware
[01:55] <DanaG> Oh yeah, laptop-mode has been broken, too -- it doesn't run.
[01:55] <davismj> like what?
[01:55] <TuTUXG> im back
[01:55] <davismj> DanaG: whats laptop-mode?
[01:55] <DanaG> I had to install the upstream version to get laptop-mode to work.
[01:55] <DBO> Centrino 2, intel X4500HD
[01:55] <TuTUXG> suspend works fine here
[01:55] <DBO> davismj, laptop mode is essentially the ugly hack that tried to minimize battery usage by adjusting hard drive parameters
[01:55] <DBO> among some other things
[01:56] <davismj> ah
[01:56] <DBO> it can also turn of services when you go into battery mode and some other useful features
[01:56] <lukehasnoname> RAOF: How could you say that the hard drive APM thing isn't a big deal?
[01:56] <DBO> alright, going to try the 2.4.2 intel driver
[01:57] <DBO> be back shortly
[01:57] <davismj> i don't understand the draw of a thinkpad...
[01:59] <TuTUXG> DanaG, how do i tell if the laptop-mode is enabled?
[01:59] <davismj> i think its a seperate program
[01:59] <DanaG> Ugly hack?  It's not an ugly hack....
[01:59] <DanaG> Ubuntu hacked it apart until it turned ugly.
[01:59] <DanaG> ... and all the logic has been stripped out.
[02:00] <DanaG> http://samwel.tk/laptop_mode/faq
[02:01] <DanaG> "I have set ENABLE_LAPTOP_MODE_ON_AC or ENABLE_LAPTOP_MODE_WHEN_LID_CLOSED on Ubuntu, but it isn't working!"
[02:01] <DanaG> The laptop-mode-tools package in Ubuntu is a crippled version of the Debian package, which leaves the on/off decisions largely to the acpi-support package. Of course, they failed to mention this in the laptop-mode.conf file and in the manual pages, so that nobody actually knows this. They also failed to mention that the file /etc/default/acpi-support can even turn laptop mode off completely. The Ubuntu solution has various downsides. F
[02:01] <DanaG> Gotta' love the crippling. =þ
[02:02] <davismj> ouch
[02:03] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/250938
[02:03] <arooni> has anyone downloaded all the updates recently?  is it a good/bad move?  i'm having problems with the daily (last saturday) not acceptin 128 bit wep hex keys... even though i'm entering the right ones, it not remembering what passwords i entered upon a restart, and wpa not working....
[02:03] <arooni> rtl-8185l chipset
[02:04] <supertones> when should we expect to see a flash 10 rc package?
[02:04] <davismj> i thought it was out
[02:04] <supertones> oh do you know where i can get it?
[02:04] <davismj> not sure actually
[02:04] <davismj> i just -think- it is out
[02:05] <supertones> oh ok my flash sometimes crashes on streams and i saw the rc fixes that
[02:05] <TuTUXG> adobe lab?
[02:06] <supertones> i'm lazy and will wait for a deb or something in the repos
[02:06] <TuTUXG> then wait
[02:06] <TuTUXG> try mediubuntu
[02:06] <supertones> ok
[02:07] <TuTUXG> bug 263555
[02:07] <TuTUXG> "Once this corruption has occurred, recovery may be possible via a BIOS update, but may well require replacement of the hardware. Use of Intel's IABUTIL.EXE is strongly discouraged, as it will worsen the problem to the point where the network part will no longer appear on the PCI bus."
[02:08] <TuTUXG> that's scary :(
[02:08] <DBO> failsauce!
[02:08] <DBO> libdrm is hardlocking the system with latest stable intel xorg driver
[02:08] <DBO> going to see if thats also the reason my system hardlocks after resume when X comes up
[02:09] <DBO> which would explain why nvidia people have no issues as it doesn't use libdrm
[02:09] <lukehasnoname> TuTUXG: The flash 10 RC for linux is 32 bit
[02:09] <TuTUXG> lukehasnoname, oh
[02:09] <lukehasnoname> I just tried
[02:09] <lukehasnoname> unsuccessfully
[02:09] <lukehasnoname> :(
[02:09] <TuTUXG> lukehasnoname, 64 bit?
[02:10] <TuTUXG> i dont think 64bit flash exists yet
[02:10] <DanaG> I just found a way to quite reliably kill PulseAudio: use frame-skip in mplayer.
[02:10] <DanaG> repeatedly.
[02:10] <TuTUXG> at least from adobe. Those MFSOBs!!
[02:12] <davismj> allegedly flash in a 64 bit architecture is not a simple port
[02:12] <davismj> allegedly
[02:13] <TuTUXG> what's npviewer?
[02:13] <lukehasnoname> in what scientists are calling "pretty gay", the internet has been built on flash.
[02:14] <TuTUXG> not really...
[02:14] <lukehasnoname> You'd think an open source development co. or group of people would be all over an FOSS alternative
[02:15] <TuTUXG> like every official ubuntu sites, i doubt u would find flash on any of them
[02:15] <Hobbsee> there are some FOSS alternatives.
[02:15] <Hobbsee> gnash, for one.
[02:16] <TuTUXG> i use gnash to play swf games offline
[02:16] <lukehasnoname> Hobbsee: That's not what I meant, but I know what you're talking about
[02:16] <lukehasnoname> I mean an entire platform
[02:16] <lukehasnoname> as in, no flash on either side
[02:17] <DanaG> odd.. console ssh pops up a gnome keyring dialog.
[02:17] <DanaG> "Your login keyring was not unlocked at login" -- or something like that.
[02:17] <davismj> lukehasnoname:  hi
[02:17] <Hobbsee> DanaG: it's detected an X server, so it probably does, yes.
[02:17] <DanaG> That's annoying.  If it's a login keyring... then unlock it at logon1
[02:17] <Hobbsee> DanaG: it's a cacher, etc.
[02:17] <DanaG> s/1/!/
[02:17] <DanaG> I have a passwordless ssh key for the host.
[02:17] <Hobbsee> DanaG: login to another server?  sheesh, no thanks!
[02:18] <lukehasnoname> davismj: hi
[02:18] <Hobbsee> (at login, without my explicit telling it so, that is0
[02:18] <davismj> lukehasnoname: how are you
[02:18] <lukehasnoname> ... I'm there in #exaile if you want to talk there
[02:18] <DanaG> Well, it also means I can't auto-connect to a WPA router.
[02:18] <Hobbsee> DanaG: besides, i think you can set it so it unlocks everything at login
[02:18] <davismj> i see that
[02:19] <DanaG> Doesn't work with auto-login.
[02:19] <Hobbsee> or various areas.
[02:19] <DanaG> I wanted to have a spare system that'd auto-login and auto-connect to WPA... but it's not possible.
[02:19]  * Hobbsee has autologin, and autoconnect to the WPA access point
[02:19] <DanaG> Or rather, now it is, now that the "System Setting" thing is there....
[02:19] <lukehasnoname> brb
[02:19] <Hobbsee> OTOH, i think i have a passwordless gnome-keyring.
[02:19] <DanaG> But it never worked for me -- either I got an "enter a password for automatic login" at GDM ... thus defeating the purpose of autologin...
[02:19] <DanaG> ... or I got it not unlocking the keyring.
[02:20] <darrend> anyone know if the 8.10 kernel will be PAE enabled by default?
[02:20] <matt^^> darrend: whats PAE
[02:21] <darrend> physical address extension.. support for 4G ram
[02:21] <lukehasnoname> physical address extension, it fakes 64 bit addressing for 32 bit OS, I BELIEVE
[02:21] <lukehasnoname> in desktop it only goes up to 4 GiB
[02:21] <DanaG> Yay: Your IP is 2002:4709:3419:1:20e:35ff:fe34:8aff
[02:21] <matt^^> if you have 4g ram and no 64 bit chip...
[02:21] <matt^^> you do a lot of drinking, ya?
[02:21] <DBO> thank you god
[02:21] <DBO> I figured out what is causing the problem
[02:22] <matt^^> the little devil in the BSD logo?
[02:22] <DBO> if I disable accel and remove modprobe -r drm
[02:22] <DBO> i can suspend all day long
[02:22] <matt^^> OMG
[02:22] <matt^^> you = teh uber bugfixer
[02:22] <matt^^>  /cheer!
[02:22] <DBO> i going to kills you
[02:22] <matt^^>  /flee~
[02:22] <DBO> no, the uber bug fixer would have a working drm with suspend
[02:23] <matt^^> gogogo!
[02:23] <lukehasnoname> Hobbsee: I just tried gnash in firefox on youtube and it didn't work :(
[02:23] <matt^^> what is drm, btw?
[02:23] <DBO> matt^^, no effing clue
[02:23] <TuTUXG> digital right management?
[02:23] <TuTUXG> lol
[02:24] <matt^^> lukehasnoname:  have you tried the nsplugginwrapper script
[02:24] <supertones> associates a computer with a type of media
[02:24] <DBO> maybe its just a compiz issue...
[02:24] <TuTUXG> This library implements the userspace interface to the kernel DRM services. DRM stands for "Direct Rendering Manager", which is the kernelspace portion of the "Direct Rendering Infrastructure" (DRI). The DRI is currently used on Linux to provide hardware-accelerated OpenGL drivers.
[02:24] <lukehasnoname> matt^^: no
[02:25] <TuTUXG> here you go
[02:25] <matt^^> lukehasnoname:  its a goodie, works every time
[02:25] <TuTUXG> DBO, ?
[02:27] <TuTUXG> i see more and more people are using the dust theme
[02:27] <TuTUXG> on deviantart
[02:29]  * DanaG still likes his ridiculously bright orange theme.
[02:33] <TuTUXG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme take a look
[02:34] <DBO> so how does one force the drm module to unload from the kernel?
[02:34] <DBO> will that break things horribly?
[02:34] <RAOF> DBO: Shouldn't.  But it'll only unload if nothing's using it, I believe.
[02:35] <DBO> the intel driver uses it
[02:35] <RAOF> Right.  I guess that it's likely to break intel pretty hard, since it's likely to lose state across a remove/insert pair.
[02:36] <DBO> yeah
[02:36] <DBO> i figured removing it and adding it might do bad things to X
[02:36] <DBO> so is the drm kernel module in alpha 6 up to date?
[02:36] <DBO> or is there perhaps a compelling reason for me to get a new one?
[02:37] <RAOF> Depends on what you mean by "up to date".
[02:37] <DBO> as in most recently released version
[02:37] <RAOF> Yes, for the value of "released" equal to "in the upstream kernel".
[02:38] <DBO> ok then i am fresh out of ideas on how to make it play nice
[02:38] <RAOF> If you want to play with newer drm modules, you can add my nouveau PPA and do a tiny bit of fiddling with the build script to get a git snapshot of drm master.
[02:39] <DBO> RAOF, that might be worthwhile
[02:39] <RAOF> Indeed it might.
[02:39] <DBO> RAOF, why do I need to fiddle at all, dont you have a more recent version all debbed up?
[02:39] <lukehasnoname> so the 64-bit deb of OOo 3 RC2 isn't working (link is broken on OO.org)
[02:39] <lukehasnoname> so I'm going to compile from source, maybe? woot
[02:39] <RAOF> DBO: Because, at one point, the intel drm module didn't build, and that make my nouveau stuff fail to install.
[02:40] <RAOF> lukehasnoname: See you in a couple of days, then :)
[02:40] <DBO> RAOF, come again
[02:40] <RAOF> DBO: DRM is divided into two parts; libdrm, the userspace component, and the kernel modules.
[02:41]  * DanaG wishes toshiba_acpi were not removed.
[02:41] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/261318
[02:41] <RAOF> DBO: I build libdrm and a drm-modules-source package for use with modules-assistant (normally you only use the drm kernel modules shipped with the kernel).
[02:42] <DBO> yeah and?
[02:42] <RAOF> At one point, the intel.ko kernel module started to fail to build, which made the whole process fail, so I switched to only building nouveau.ko
[02:42] <DBO> ah
[02:42] <DBO> why are you even building intel.ko?
[02:42] <DanaG> stupid tlsup... why make a virtual input device... that doesn't work?
[02:42] <DBO> i only care about drm.ko
[02:42] <RAOF> DBO: Because I could, and people like you might find it useful :)
[02:42] <DanaG> Virtual keyboard... that doesn't report itself as a keyboard.  How silly.
[02:42] <lukehasnoname> RAOF: you never answered my question. Last night you downplayed the importance of a bug that shortens hard drive lifespan. Why do you believe it's not a big deal?
[02:43]  * DanaG has tweaked his journal commit time to 900 seconds.
[02:43] <DBO> RAOF, alright, I am looking through your source package now
[02:43] <matt^^> oooohhh snap
[02:43] <DanaG> That's 5 minutes... or perhaps it was 15 minutes.
[02:44] <DBO> RAOF, what must I do?  or must young padawan learn?
[02:44] <RAOF> lukehasnoname: Because (a) it only affects people with broken firmware, (b) I'm not sure how much it actually shortens hard drive lifespan.
[02:45] <DanaG> I don't remember what my Hitachi drive was set to...
[02:45] <DanaG> ... but I was able to permanently set the default APM setting for the drive, using Hitachi Feature Tool.
[02:45] <DanaG> ... on Ultimate Boot CD.
[02:45] <RAOF> lukehasnoname: As opposed to rough-guideline-lifespan metrics.
[02:45] <lukehasnoname> RAOF: when enough people have broken firmware, it's still relevant. My WDC hd is affected, and I have to rig my acpi not to go crazy.
[02:45] <DanaG> Heh, you should try a WD My Book drive.
[02:45] <DanaG> It goes ssshhhclick every 5 seconds.
[02:46] <lukehasnoname> I haven't even thought about whether it affects my external drive....
[02:46] <DanaG> They must have the unload time set to something like 3 seconds.
[02:46] <RAOF> DBO: So, you can either wait for this evening, when I'll upload a new package which builds intel.ko as well, or... let me check.
[02:46] <DBO> RAOF, fantastic
[02:46] <DBO> I make you deal
[02:46] <DBO> if I dont go food shopping with the gf
[02:46] <DBO> I will be dead man
[02:46] <DBO> so erm, can you uhhh, make magic happen when I be gone, and then I will love you forever?
[02:47] <RAOF> This sounds like a good reason to wait for option (a) :)
[02:47] <Tinason> when i start this hardy live cd, networking works just fine, in ibex, networking doesnt work at all. is there something different i need to do?
[02:47] <DBO> RAOF, its this evening here....
[02:47] <RAOF> Yeah, certainly.  It'll be in about 7/8ish hours, my time.
[02:47] <DanaG> Oh yeah, laptop-mode-tools are actually broken in Intrepid.
[02:47] <DBO> RAOF, ah damnit
[02:47] <RAOF> So you'll get it tomorrow morning.
[02:47] <DanaG> .. thus, the setting don't take effect.
[02:47]  * RAOF lives in _his_ time :P
[02:48] <Tinason> anyone else had trouble with networking in ibex?
[02:48] <DanaG> I've had nm-applet not remembering WPA passphrases... but that's about it.
[02:48] <Tinason> :(
[02:48] <DBO> RAOF, can you give me a brief idea what we are talking about having to do?
[02:48] <DanaG> ... and naming things like this:
[02:48] <DanaG> Auto Home
[02:49] <DanaG> Auto MustangWireless
[02:49] <DanaG> Auto eth0
[02:49] <Tinason> its like knetworkmanager wont recognize my eth wired conenction
[02:49] <DanaG> Auto..... stupid..... I don't want to prefix everything with Auto.
[02:49]  * DanaG goes off and prefixes random stuff with Auto:
[02:49] <DanaG> Auto ubottu: bot
[02:49] <DanaG> Auto this sounds really stupid.
[02:50] <DanaG> =þ
[02:50] <RAOF> DBO: (a) Installing libdrm and drm-modules-source from the ppa.  (b) Editing /usr/src/modules/drm-modules/rules & preinst/postrm (c) running module-assistant.
[02:50] <Tinason> is networking handled some different way in ibex?
[02:50] <DBO> RAOF, is there any compelling reason I would need a more up to date version of intel.ko?
[02:50] <RAOF> DBO: Because your card is new?
[02:50] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/250938
[02:50] <DanaG> .... not actually fixed in laptop-mode-tools.
[02:51] <DBO> RAOF, but it works with 2.4.1 (what ubuntu has)
[02:51] <RAOF> Tinason: There's a new version of network manager, which might affect things.
[02:51] <DanaG> Gotta' love when developers completely GUT all the logic out of something.
[02:51] <DBO> I think I only really need a new version of the drm module
[02:52] <DBO> screw it, I am upgrading them just to see how they work
[02:52] <RAOF> DBO: Then you could install drm-modules-source, go to /usr/src/modules/drm-modules/linux-core, and run "make".
[02:52] <DBO> doing it now love
[02:53] <Tinason> did anyone else experience trouble with wired connections?
[02:54] <matt^^> yes
[02:54] <DanaG> Why has the topic not been updated with any sort of note about the e1000e corruption issue?
[02:54] <matt^^> but its on and off
[02:54] <DBO> we are dumb?
[02:54] <RAOF> DBO: For those playing at home, Intrepid actually has libdrm 2.*3*.1, not 2.4.1 (which is unreleased, as is 2.4.0 ;))
[02:54] <matt^^> i'm especially dumb
[02:55] <DBO> RAOF, see that makes a lot of sense now
[02:55] <Tinason> matt^^: did you fix it?
[02:55] <DBO> wow drm is a long compile
[02:55] <DBO> RAOF, I ran make
[02:55] <DBO> arent I suppose to run m-a somewhere here?
[02:56] <RAOF> DBO: Not the way you're doing it, which is manually, but will work fine.
[02:56] <DBO> ok, I ran make, now what?
[02:56] <DBO> it built drm.ko
[02:56] <DBO> copy it in place?'
[02:56] <RAOF> Copy it to /lib/modules/$(uname -v)/updates, I think.
[02:57] <DBO> there is no updates folder
[02:57] <DBO> make one?
[02:57] <RAOF> Yes.
[02:58] <DBO> alright, now I reboot I assume?
[02:59] <RAOF> Then plop in drm.ko (and possibly i810.ko while you're at it).
[02:59] <DBO> i think i need i915
[02:59] <RAOF> Is there a i915.ko?
[02:59] <DBO> guess not
[02:59] <DBO> i810 it is
[03:00] <DBO> ok, its in place now too
[03:00] <DBO> now I reboot?
[03:00] <DBO> RAOF?
[03:01] <DBO> I have many virtues, and out of all 3 of them, none of them are patients and 3 of them are useless!
[03:01] <RAOF> Hm.  You may wan to "make i915.o", actually.
[03:01] <DBO> error
[03:01] <RAOF> You should be able to simply stop X and then modprobe -r drm
[03:01] <RAOF> Then modprobe -vvv drm
[03:01] <RAOF> (To make sure it comes from foo/updates
[03:02] <DBO> oh there now it worked
[03:02] <DBO> make i915.o resulted in something, but not an i915.ko
[03:03] <DBO> alright, I am going to go try it
[03:03] <DBO> I installed your libdrm also
[03:03] <DBO> good idea?
[03:03] <DBO> I hope so
[03:03] <RAOF> Good luck.
[03:03] <DBO> be right back!
[03:05] <matt^^> !ask
[03:14] <matt^^> !ask
[03:15] <lukehasnoname> thank god
[03:23] <DBO> ping RAOF
[03:23] <DBO> there is an updated i915.ko I need
[03:23] <RAOF> DBO: Pong
[03:23] <DBO> where do I get it =P
[03:23] <RAOF> Heh.
[03:26] <RAOF> Oh, arse.  "ifeq ($(OS_HAS_GEM), 1) CONFIG_DRM_I915 := m"
[03:26] <RAOF> Oh.  That was easy.
[03:26] <DBO> erm, so i915.ko wont built without gem?
[03:26] <RAOF> DBO: make DRM_MODULES="i915" OS_HAS_GEM=1
[03:27] <RAOF> DBO: Correct.  Except, apparently, i915 won't _build_ with GEM on Ubuntu, because it needs patches against the kernel.  Urgh.
[03:27] <DBO> trying
[03:27] <DBO> yeah
[03:28] <DBO> so I am going to have to make a custom kernel now
[03:28] <DBO> is there a way to rebuilt ubuntu's current i915.ko against the new libdrm
[03:29] <RAOF> I don't think it builds againt libdrm at all, does it?
[03:29] <DBO> i915: disagrees about version of symbol drm_release
[03:29] <DBO> sorry, drm module
[03:29] <RAOF> Right.  Yes.
[03:29] <RAOF> Um... dunno, really.  Sorry.
[03:30] <RAOF> It might be worth kicking it into #ubuntu-x, possibly.  A bug should certainly be filed.
[03:33] <hudnix_> How, I wonder, do you manually force a driver reinstall?
[03:41] <RAOF> hudnix_: Depends what you mean by "driver".
[04:04] <orly_owl> will ubuntu 8.10 have kde4?
[04:04] <orly_owl> *kubuntu
[04:05] <RAOF> Yes.
[04:05] <orly_owl> Excellent.
[04:50] <keisangi> hi there, i'm having troubles with intrepid ibex alpha and network manager.. every time i reboot i have to setup my network configuration manualy, network manager doesn't work at all
[04:50] <keisangi> it's simple ethernet connection, no wireless or any exotic stuff
[04:50] <keisangi> what could i do ?
[04:50] <keisangi> each time i reboot i have to edit /etc/resolv.conf to add "nameserver 192.168.1.1
[04:51] <keisangi> and ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.12/24
[04:51] <keisangi> and finaly: route add default gw 192.168.1.1
[04:51] <keisangi> should i delete network manager ?
[04:54] <Hew> Is there a list of Intrepid release goals somewhere?
[04:57] <danbh_intrepid> keisangi: wait for beta
[04:58] <keisangi> danbh_intrepid, i modified /etc/network/interfaces and will probably delete network manager, i don't need it
[04:58] <keisangi> thanks for the reply tho
[04:58] <danbh_intrepid> keisangi: you can also try wicd in the mean time too
[04:59] <keisangi> wicd ? what is that?
[04:59] <danbh_intrepid> google it
[04:59] <danbh_intrepid> you have to anyway to install it
[05:00] <keisangi> hum i c
[05:00] <keisangi> maybe nice for everyone else who can't edit interfaces file
[05:01] <keisangi> time to reboot and test
[05:01] <danbh_intrepid> keisangi: interfaces doesnt support my nic, so I have to use wicd
[05:04] <lukehasnoname> Is there a standard place to install virtual machines?
[05:08] <keisangi> hum work better now :)
[05:12] <Jordan_U> Is there a way to make VLC 9.2 not quite so ugly?
[05:14] <lukehasnoname> ALSA lib ../../../src/pcm/pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[05:15] <lukehasnoname> ALSA lib ../../../src/pcm/pcm_dmix.c:1008: (snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[05:15] <lukehasnoname> The error my firefox console prints when I try to watch flash videos using flashplugin-nonfree on intrepid 64
[05:22] <DanaG> Mmm, ipw2200 is using 60% CPU.  Yay.
[05:25] <RAOF> nvidia's blob finally doesn't suck at dual head!  I now get to experience all the _other_ bugs compiz exposes in it!
[05:26] <DanaG> Hmm, new driver?
[05:26]  * DanaG wishes they'd fix the damn 96 drivers.
[05:26] <RAOF> Whatever the latest 177 drivers are finally report correct display dimensions, so windows don't maximise across both screens.
[05:26] <DanaG> Cool.
[05:26] <DanaG> Oh yeah, something I just learned: don't leave a cardbus card in the slot while moving a laptop...............
[05:27] <DanaG> I just had to open this old Toshiba laptop to remove the remnants of the interior part of the slot, so they wouldn't float around and short things.
[05:27] <DanaG> =þ
[05:27] <DanaG> s/they/it/
[05:27] <RAOF> Whoops.  How'd that hapen?
[05:28] <DanaG> Put the laptop in my bag with a USB 2.0 card sticking out the side.
[05:28] <RAOF> Ah.  Cue torsion?
[05:28] <DanaG> It must've gotten bashed on the side... a plastic part of the slot assembly actually broke.
[05:28] <DanaG> That would've been an impact directly along the axis it slides along.
[05:54] <Jordan_U> Is there a way to make VLC 9.2 not quite so ugly?
[05:55] <RAOF> Use totem? :)
[05:55] <RAOF> More seriously, are you using the QT build?
[05:55] <RAOF> If so, presumably QT themes will be able to make the world less ugly.
[05:56] <Jordan_U> RAOF: Yes, in 9.2 it's only QT
[06:09] <saiki> and um.. coders here?
[06:09] <saiki> any*
[06:10] <timboy> I have set up my nvidia to use twinview and it treats both of my monitors as one big monitor so when i maximize my window it puts it over both screens how do I fix this?
[06:23] <lhnn> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade should take me from hardy to intrepid right?
[06:26] <saiki> as far as I know
[06:28] <lhnn> because when i enter that, it tells me it's only going to update serveral packages, like putting the kernel to 2.6.24-19, which is still hardy
[06:29]  * DanaG uses qgtkstyle for qt4 apps.
[06:43] <lhnn> I just did an evil thing
[06:45] <lhnn> sudo perl -p -i -e 's/hardy/intrepid/g' /etc/apt/sources.lst && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:59] <RAOF> lhnn: I suppose you could do that.  I'd've used sed, though :)
[07:00] <RAOF> And, obviously, do-release-upgrade -d would've done it too, and with some smarts to work around common problems.
[07:14] <bullgard4> Will Intrepid include a better bookmark management for Epiphany?
[07:23] <lhnn> I've never heard of that command before RAOF
[07:23] <lhnn> again, I thought apt-get dist-upgrade was supposed to do it
[07:24] <lhnn> but it wasn't doing it without me rigging it
[09:07] <cypherdelic> good job, the current alpha is quite stable, ive ran all the way through from apha 1 :)
[09:07] <lukehasnoname> What is the name of the package (applet, w/e) that sits in the top right corner, asking if I want to logout, shutdown, etc?
[09:29] <jack_distortion> hi all
[09:38] <ikonia> hello jack_distortion
[09:56] <cypherdelic> *happy* today is beta release :)
[09:58] <cypherdelic> gnome 2.24 migration was competely succesful on my system, the system is very stable, tooo
[09:58] <ikonia> migration ?
[09:59] <cypherdelic> upgrade ;)
[09:59] <ikonia> it just updates the package, what part is a migration ?
[09:59] <cypherdelic> migration: mow from one to another
[09:59] <ikonia> so basiclly you typed "apt-get upgrade"
[09:59] <cypherdelic> basically yes
[09:59] <ikonia> right so not realyl a "migration"
[10:00] <ikonia> some packages got updated as they have done almost nightly
[10:00] <cypherdelic> no not my pcs still at the same place
[10:00] <ikonia> still in the same place ?
[10:00] <cypherdelic> narf
[10:00] <ikonia> narf ?
[10:00] <cypherdelic> just forget what i meant with migration
[10:01] <gnomefreak> if anyone knows how to sign an email in claws-mail please let me know how. I already have the plugin and its enabled. the key is defined in prefferences AFAIK and it still says cant find key
[10:01] <ikonia> gnomefreak no idea
[10:03] <cypherdelic> people of ##kernel told me to try a kernel.org 2.6.27 to resolve my Bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/271367, but that is not the way i can contribute to ubuntu. Any ideas, how to go on or provide more inmormations?
[10:04] <ikonia> cypherdelic wait for them to ask for more specific information
[10:04] <ikonia> cypherdelic: isn't ubunt 8.10 using 2.6.27 any way
[10:04] <cypherdelic> it ddont seem anyone even accepted the bug since a week now
[10:05] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: the kernel team are normally good with repling to bugs
[10:05] <ikonia> cypherdelic: there are a lot of bugs to fix
[10:05] <RAOF> cypherdelic: If, by "beta release" you mean "bete *freeze*", then yes :)
[10:05] <cypherdelic> RAOF: cool, heyaa - *drops out champagne* *FUMP*
[10:06] <elmargol> if i use kde4 + nvidia my gpu crashes and it looks like I'm on LSD :D
[10:06] <gnomefreak> and you say thats a bug?
[10:06] <cypherdelic> gnomefreak: ikonia: thats why i try to provide as much information as possible
[10:07] <elmargol> it is :D
[10:07] <gnomefreak> elmargol: screenshots?
[10:07] <elmargol> gnomefreak: no way I can make a screenshot
[10:07] <elmargol> I have to hardreboot after this
[10:07] <gnomefreak> good point
[10:07] <cypherdelic> i always know KDE is an evil drug
[10:08] <RAOF> Camera?
[10:08] <cypherdelic> maybe some thousand overblending effects, whats your card?
[10:08] <gnomefreak> what does ctrl+alt+F4 do? it should send you to tty
[10:08] <elmargol> I think thats what you get if you use the most recent kernel :D
[10:08] <gnomefreak> tty4
[10:08] <gnomefreak> elmargol: did you just install nvidia drivers and you got this?
[10:09] <cypherdelic> elmargol: hm no, im with nvidia-onboard and 177.76 glx, no problem with 2.6.27-4.6
[10:09] <cypherdelic> luckily im with a sneaky gnome
[10:09] <elmargol> cypherdelic: do you use the nonfree driver?
[10:09] <gnomefreak> elmargol: use envy or jocley to install the drivers, i have a feeling you didnt
[10:09] <gnomefreak> elmargol: its not final yet
[10:09] <elmargol> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce Go 7900 GS (rev a1)
[10:10] <gnomefreak> and not in our repos
[10:10] <cypherdelic> elmargol: is nvidia-glx-177 non-free?
[10:10] <gnomefreak> elmargol: you use 177 driver
[10:10] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: no
[10:10] <cypherdelic> how to install that from intrepid base?
[10:11] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: download the .run or .bin(not sure hwat one it is) and install it
[10:11] <cypherdelic> or is it a beta from nvidia.com somewhat?
[10:11] <gnomefreak> s/install/run
[10:11] <gnomefreak> it hasnt been released yet
[10:11] <gnomefreak> not sure what part of devl they are in
[10:11] <gnomefreak> devel
[10:11] <gnomefreak> be back in a bit smoke than look up drivers for you
[10:12] <cypherdelic> gnomefreak: if it is not released, where should i download it?
[10:12] <rconan> well... i was about to try 2.6.27-4 with nvidia on mine but i get an error to do with uvesafb
[10:12] <rconan> i think i heard someone saying something about this
[10:12] <elmargol> I can not use jockey since it is broken atm
[10:12] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: read my last post
[10:13] <cypherdelic> gnomefreak: i have no nvidia devel with i version count higher that 1.77.76
[10:13] <cypherdelic> i mean 177.76
[10:18] <gnomefreak> that is the highest in repos
[10:21] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: http://www.petitiononline.com/nvfoss/ read that. i can find them im sure but the breakage and friends in that post doesnt sound good
[10:25] <gnomefreak> ok done signing it now looking for them
[10:28] <gnomefreak> cypherdelic: there is no drivers yet, atleast publicly released at this time
[10:28] <gnomefreak> be back need to restart
[10:56] <bullgard4> Will Intrepid include GNOME 2.24?
[10:58] <rconan> bullgard4, it already does
[10:58] <cwillu> the ubuntu release cycle was originally made to follow gnome's releases iirc
[10:59] <bullgard4> rconan: Thank you for your information.
[11:01] <rconan> i didn't know gnome used a time based release cyce
[11:02] <gnomefreak> every 6 months
[11:02] <rconan> the ubuntu one defnitely makes sense then
[11:02] <ikonia> rconan: not for all situaitons
[11:03] <cwillu> who is InvisibleHeero and why is he poking me :(
[11:03] <ikonia> cwillu: he's a troll
[11:03] <ikonia> cwillu what did he do
[11:03] <cwillu> * Received a CTCP VERSION from InvisibleHeero
[11:04] <cwillu> not in any channel I'm in though
[11:04] <ikonia> no, I know
[11:04] <ikonia> I'll sort it
[11:15] <cwillu> """afallenhope> if you're so concerned I'm sorry I fucking versioned you I clicked the wrong button. http://seclists.org/bugtraq/2008/Mar/0376.html you might want to update your client"""
[11:16] <ikonia> on it
[11:16] <badp_> Hello. As of yesterday's round of updates, sound on my laptop is fully broken.
[11:17] <badp_> Pulseaudio didn't ever really work, but now ALSA fails as well
[11:17] <badp_> while espeak and sonata work flawlessly.
[11:17]  * badp_ is baffled.
[11:20] <cwillu> my work on badp_'s laptop is complete
[11:34] <kimus> hi, anyone?
[11:35] <kimus> I've a problem with NetworkManager
[11:35] <cwillu> ikonia, thanks.  I wouldn't have minded if he was prettier, but his facial hair just doesn't do it for me :/
[11:36] <kimus> NM is not working for me
[11:36] <ikonia> cwillu: he's been a bit of a pain all day in here, he lurks in another channel I'm in
[11:37] <kimus> NM doesn't connect to wired or wireless networks. a simple dhclient eth0 works fine in the console
[11:37] <cwillu> kimus, I'm running under the assumption that if you're smart enough to run an alpha, you're smart enough to ask good questions, and so excuse my impatience, I'm sure you're typing a really good description of your problem as we speak :)
[11:38] <cwillu> ah, see?  :)
[11:38] <cwillu> logged in?
[11:38] <kimus> hello cwillu, i'm typing telegram msg because till today no one answer my calls :-D
[11:39] <cwillu> upgrade or fresh install?
[11:39] <kimus> so, the problem is quite simple. NM does not connect to any network but from console works fine wired (dhclient) and wireless (wpa_supplicant + dhclient)
[11:40] <kimus> it's a upgrade
[11:40] <kimus> but I allready had NM0.7
[11:40] <cwillu> any previously weird configuration via network-admin or /etc/network?
[11:40] <kimus> cwillu: I think not
[11:41] <kimus> not connection to a wired network is stupid :-D
[11:42] <cwillu> nm-applet | right click | edit connections | wired tab | auto eth0 | edit, does it say connect automatically?
[11:43] <kimus> cwillu: the problem is not the detection... it tries to connect, tries..., and still tries... and in the end it does not connect  :-)
[11:44] <kimus> cwillu: tries to connect for a long time and in the end does not !!... I removed the default Auto eth0... and now I have Auto Ethernet and Auto eth0 :-) full of bugs thos NM i think
[11:45] <cwillu> kimus, how was 0.7 installed previously?  ppa?
[11:45] <kimus> hum... was a rep. let me see
[11:46] <kimus> cwillu: ok was ppa: http://ppa.launchpad.net/network-manager/ubuntu
[11:48] <kimus> cwillu: so, need to reinstall ?
[11:48] <cwillu> is that ppa still active?  from synaptic, does selecting network-manager -> package | force version give you any options?
[11:48] <kimus> no, the upgrade unintalled it
[11:48] <kimus> u*unchecked
[11:48] <cwillu> can you check network-manager / network-manager-gnome though?
[11:49] <cwillu> if it had a higher version number than intrepids, you may still be running the network manager from the ppa, even though the ppa is disabled  (just tripped over that on a banshee install)
[11:49] <kimus> the versions installed is svn20080908
[11:49] <Ienorand> How is flash working out in Ibex so far (Bug #192888) ? same issues as Hardy?
[11:49] <cwillu> !info network-manager
[11:50] <kimus> cwillu: ok, could be that. though in hardy worked :-D
[11:50] <cwillu> Ienorand, it's fixed for a while in intrepid (we're running flash10)
[11:50] <cwillu> Ienorand, flash10 has unrelated crashy issues, but it's the only viable fix for that bug
[11:50] <kimus> cwillu: I will revert to intrepid and let you know
[11:50] <cwillu> kimus, :p
[11:50] <Ienorand> cwillu: Nice, finally.
[11:52] <cwillu> Ienorand, you can install the flash10 beta under hardy as well, not sure there's a package around for it right now though
[11:52] <cwillu> Ienorand, installing the 32bit version of nspluginwrapper is useful to avoid taking out firefox completely (disabling and reenabling the flashplugin then allows you to just restart flash without needing to restart ff)
[11:53] <Ienorand> cwillu: I have niether atm anyhow, haven't gotten round to set up my triple boot yet :D
[11:54] <izike> is there is ANY way to get fglrx to work in 8.10?
[11:55]  * cwillu gently directs izike towards launchpad.net
[11:56] <badp_> Sorry, I dropped.
[11:56] <izike> cwillu: i am there, what to look for?
[11:57] <cwillu> bugs
[11:59] <cwillu> success?
[11:59] <ikonia> izike: ati drivers are famously bad, I suggest you wait for a stable 8.10 release
[11:59] <kimus> cwillu: back and working...
[12:00] <cwillu> woot
[12:00] <cwillu> izike, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/247376
[12:00] <kimus> cwillu: another anoying problem is that compiz never correctly starts (and no WM)... I have to go to the menu System > Preferences > Appearance to choose Normal in the effects
[12:01] <cwillu> kimus, you seem to be the type that upgrades to ppa versions, any chance you've got a non-standard compiz hanging around? :)
[12:02] <kimus> cwillu: lol...
[12:02] <cwillu> kimus, after a relog, does running 'compiz' in a terminal start things up properly?
[12:03] <kimus> cwillu: if I go to the appearance settings it starts compiz... it's only the first logon
[12:03] <cwillu> kimus, i.e., after you've logged on once, it works properly there after?
[12:03] <kimus> cwillu: i'm sure I havent no ppa for compiz
[12:04] <cwillu> kimus, before setting it via appearance, run it from the console, there may be useful information there
[12:05] <kimus> cwillu: ok, now I will not do that... when I relog again (maybe some days :-D) I will check that
[12:05] <kimus> need to work... eh eh eh
[12:06] <cwillu> kimus, so, um, why are you running alpha stuff on a machine you need to work?  :)
[12:06] <cwillu> do you not remember the libc screwup during the hardy alphas?
[12:06] <kimus> cwillu: btw, can't go to X on a machine that has a ATI mobility radeon HD3470
[12:06] <cwillu> fglrx?
[12:07] <kimus> cwillu: all... vesa does not work also :-p
[12:07] <cwillu> if so, scroll up, and pretend your name is izike :p
[12:08] <kimus> scroll... humm no info here... where is the logs ?
[12:08] <kimus> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[12:08] <cwillu> izike, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/247376
[12:08] <cwillu> bah, kimus :p
[12:09] <cwillu> !info network-manager
[12:09] <izike> cwillu:is there anyway to come back to 8.04?
[12:10] <cwillu> izike, technically yes, although it's not simple
[12:10] <kimus> cwillu: now I have the default xorg.conf settings done with dpkg-reconfigure
[12:10] <izike> cwillu:i do want to do it
[12:11] <cwillu> izike, applying one of the workarounds listed in that bug report is almost certainly going to be easier than downgrading
[12:12] <cwillu> izike, if you have the means to do a backup, then backing up your home directory, reinstalling 8.04, and then restoring your homedirectory should get just about everything back to normal (aside from any system level changes you made;  your desktop settings themselves should all stick around)
[12:13] <cwillu> izike, if everything else is largely working for you, then getting xorg fixed, and then waiting for the beta (or even the final release) before applying any further updates will probably be the least headache
[12:14] <izike> cwillu:the only question is how long would it take waiting for the beta?
[12:14] <cwillu> izike, downgrading consists of changing all the entries in sources.list to point to hardy sources, and then using a combination of apt, aptitude, and dpkg to force everything back down to the latest hardy versions, fixing things by hand as they break
[12:15] <cwillu> izike, I believe the beta's supposed to be october 3rd, although it may still not have an easy fglrx fix (that's up to ati, although I think they said they'd have something out sometime in october)
[12:15] <cwillu> izike, final will almost certainly be sometime before the end of october (intrepid being 8.10, meaning 10th month of 2008)
[12:17] <cwillu> izike, might I ask what prompted you to try out intrepid?  (it's not a bad thing to try it, as long as you know what you're getting yourself in to)
[12:18] <ikonia> a bigger version number no doubt
[12:18] <cwillu> shush you :p
[12:18] <badp_> 11:20] <cwillu> my work on badp_'s laptop is complete
[12:18] <badp_> Sorry?
[12:18] <cwillu> badp_, just quiping on how your audio mostly didn't work before, and now it completely doesn't work
[12:19] <badp_> It worked ok before with ALSA
[12:19] <cwillu> although pa doesn't deal with the hardware directly, so if alsa is broken, then alsa is broken
[12:19] <cwillu> does it work out of the box typically?
[12:20] <cwillu> might try a livecd
[12:20] <badp_> I haven't changed the configuration
[12:20] <badp_> except I had set all the boxes in System > Prefs > Sound to ALSA
[12:20] <cwillu> was it a fresh install though?
[12:20] <badp_> It also worked with freshly updated Intrepid alpha6
[12:21] <badp_> Nope, not a fresh install.
[12:21] <cwillu> can you running a livecd?
[12:21] <badp_> I tried burning livecd's but apparently none of my burners is able to burn anything right. <.<
[12:21] <badp_> *cd recorders
[12:21] <cwillu> there's no real reason pulseaudio should not work, beyond the typical 'some legacy app grabbed the audio device before pa did'
[12:22] <blue-frog> badp_: there's a bug after the latest update for the sound. no sounds will play from now on
[12:22] <badp_> ...but espeak DOES work
[12:22] <badp_> TeamSpeak DOES work
[12:22] <badp_> Sonata DOES work
[12:22] <badp_> It's all the rest that doesn't
[12:22] <cwillu> blue-frog, I'm fully updated, works fine for me
[12:23] <badp_> "legacy apps" are fine
[12:23] <blue-frog> cwillu: you are lucky then. after this morning's update, ogg and mp3 do not play in totem or rhytlbox
[12:23]  * badp_ runs another aptitude update apgrade
[12:24] <badp_> no sound updates
[12:24] <badp_> OSS test sound DOES work, but setting all on OSS does not
[12:24] <elmargol> Does jockey-kde work for you?
[12:24] <badp_> I have gnome apps only.
[12:24] <blue-frog> badp_: yes oss test is thze only test working for me, alsa and pulse test gives error
[12:25] <elmargol> badp_: does jockey-gtk work?
[12:25] <badp_> elmargol, I don't have it
[12:26] <cwillu> is pulseaudio running?  what errors are you getting?
[12:26] <blue-frog> cwillu: do you have the new login sound (which sounds like Windows login sound)?
[12:26] <badp_> cwillu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=929641
[12:26] <badp_> blue-frog, that sound did work for some reason
[12:26] <cwillu> blue-frog, yes, although it wasn't set
[12:27] <blue-frog> badp_: yes the login sound is the only thing I can hear as well
[12:27]  * cwillu leaps for joy, the old ubuntu login was soooooo amateurish
[12:27] <blue-frog> cwillu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/274105
[12:27]  * badp_ subscribes
[12:28] <blue-frog> cwillu: almost sure it will be marked as some kind of duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/258703
[12:28] <cwillu> blue-frog, I get the feeling there's a race condition going on
[12:28] <badp_> It's possible, cwillu, but...
[12:28] <cwillu> blue-frog, can you pastebin a sudo lsof | grep dsp ?
[12:29] <cwillu> blue-frog, and doublecheck that ps aux|grep pulseaudio shows up?
[12:29] <kimus> why I cant change the /dev/net/tun with a udev rule?... it worked fine on hardy
[12:29] <blue-frog> cwillu: ps gives results. lsof none
[12:30] <badp_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/50453/
[12:31] <blue-frog> cwillu: http://pastebin.com/m7f993c57
[12:33] <blue-frog> kimus: Personally, I change the ownership of /lib/udev/devices/net/tun so that /net/dev/tun is created (copied apparently) with the correct permissions.
[12:33] <badp_> 13:28:11 <blue-frog> cwillu: almost sure it will be marked as some kind of duplicate of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/258703
[12:33] <badp_> Nope, that has been fixed with the latest batch of updates
[12:33] <badp_> Now the second tab is enabled
[12:34] <blue-frog> badp_: the second tab yes but now no sound on clicking the arrows
[12:34] <badp_> Well, the audio is generally speaking borked
[12:34] <cwillu> blue-frog, I get some slight breakage within the sound preferences (can't preview sounds if I've messed with the theme some amount, until I disable 'play alerts...' and enable it again)
[12:34] <blue-frog> badp_: yesterday, I had sound upon a click on the arrow
[12:34] <badp_> but now the sound is generally borked?
[12:34] <blue-frog> cwillu: I try
[12:35] <cwillu> but audio on login is a bit weird:  I'm still guessing that you're having the audio break after the login screen audio pops up
[12:35] <badp_> I mean, if totem/rhytmbox/etc. can't play the sound why should the audio applet be able to?
[12:35] <cwillu> badp_, try setting your laptop to automatically log in (no delay), reboot, and see if it works 'properly'
[12:36] <blue-frog> cwillu: your little tweak do nothing on my config
[12:36] <cwillu> blue-frog, it wasn't a fix, except for my own very very minor breakage :p
[12:36] <kimus> cwillu: the radeon HD is that bug you mentioned ... still cannot put to work
[12:36] <blue-frog> cwillu: ok. anyway looking at the rror in the devices tab, there is something wrong
[12:38] <blue-frog> cwillu: wow, a udev restart gives me no error for some of the tests in the devices tab
[12:38] <blue-frog> cwillu: and the "click on the arrow" sound on second tab works as well
[12:39] <blue-frog> going to update the bug report with those info
[12:40] <badp_> I think I'll try
[12:41] <kimus> cwillu: cant put to work the radeon hd ...
[12:41] <cwillu> kimus, have you tried the workarounds listed on that bug report (installing the appropriate hardy packages)?
[12:41] <cwillu> kimus, I don't have an ati to test with
[12:42] <cwillu> or at least, one that uses fglrx
[12:42]  * cwillu wishes launchpad wasn't so slow :(
[12:48] <blue-frog> badp_: seen your thread, same stuff for me
[12:58] <badp> I did that, nothing changed
[12:58] <badp> I still hear the sound at startup
[12:58] <badp> and now...
[12:58] <badp> now the arrows in Sound Preferences do work
[13:00] <badp> although I heard the login sound from the Default scheme
[13:00] <badp> not Ubuntu's
[13:00] <badp> Hmm, I can hear the sounds on that tab but the tests still fail o.O
[13:10] <badp> Yeah, a reboot fixed.
[13:10] <badp> Thank you.
[13:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi there. I am testing intrepid and it is extremely cool, but deskbar-tracker integration is not working (package libdeskbar-tracker) is it normal?
[13:24] <fir3> hi
[13:25] <fir3> is it possible to keep the /home folder when installing intrepid?
[13:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> fir3: do you mount it separately or is it a subdirectory of /
[13:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ?
[13:26] <fir3> subdir
[13:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> my guess would be not unless intrepid implented something specific
[13:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but if you have a partition to use for /
[13:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> then you can delete everything but homes and _move_ all the subdirs of /home to /
[13:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and then mount the old partition as homes :)
[13:27] <fir3> i only have 15gb of free space so i would run into problems with separate partitions :/
[13:28] <Le-Chuck_ITA> well, perhaps (but I am unsure) if you delete manually everything but /home, and don't check the "format" checkbox in the partitioner
[13:28] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it should work, but somebody please comment on this
[13:28] <fir3> is it possible to clean up a hardy installation so i can upgrade to ii without any old configs?
[13:29] <ConstantineXVI> does evolution in intrepid support exchange 2007?
[13:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> the upgrade will ask you to update configs for each file in any case so why bother? The main problem is the user configuration, which you should manually move
[13:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> such as mv /home/myuser/.[^.]* MYBACKUPDIR
[14:02] <Rioting_pacifist> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/update-motd_1.7_all.deb (--unpack):
[14:02] <Rioting_pacifist>  there is no script in the new version of the package - giving up
[14:02] <Rioting_pacifist> invoke-rc.d: initscript update-motd, action "start" failed.
[14:02] <Rioting_pacifist> dpkg: error while cleaning up:
[14:02] <Rioting_pacifist> !pastebin | self
[14:03] <Rioting_pacifist> is it worth filling a bug report, i cant seam to see any for this error
[14:03] <IdleOne> can someone help me trouble shoot sound issue, couple days ago I lost all sound, not sure why guessing some update broke something. any help?
[14:04] <IdleOne> hmmmm nm
[14:04] <IdleOne> :)
[14:05] <Rioting_pacifist> kde or gnome? id guess its a pulseaudio or a kde problem, but if you want to debug the lower level sound stuff #alsa can be helpfull when people are about
[14:05] <IdleOne> thanks Rioting_pacifist I will make note
[14:05] <IdleOne> but sound is working again
[14:06] <Rioting_pacifist> my guess is that its pulseaudio then as #alsa tends to be hardware configuration which normally doesnt fix itself
[14:07] <Rioting_pacifist> neway i got to go post some stuff, if anybody has any ideas on the update-motd problem please mention my name and ill have a look when i get back
[14:11] <Hobbsee> Rioting_pacifist: i didn't encounter anything of the sort.
[14:29] <D_Graham> hey is Intrepid stable enough for normal usage? just using the box for email, internet, chat, and watching videos and listening to music
[14:29] <Hobbsee> D_Graham: mostly.  occasionally, it can blow up
[14:30] <Hobbsee> some packages don't upgrade correctly, and might need some prodding
[14:30] <D_Graham> ill just continue to use it on the virtual box until it is released then
[14:30] <D_Graham> Gnome 2.24  looks nice
[14:31] <Mechdave> I am using it as a desktop at the moment... it seems fine except for NVIDIA drivers :)
[14:31] <D_Graham> lol and I got a NVidia GeForce 6800 LOL
[14:31] <Hobbsee> D_Graham: if you've seen the virtual box version - it's more or less the same as that.
[14:32] <Hobbsee> stability-wise.  modulo X drivers or something, perhaps, but virtualbox stuff sometimes breaks anyway
[14:32] <D_Graham> Oct 30th feels so far away
[14:33] <Mechdave> kernel 2.6.27-3-generic works fine with NVIDIA but 2.6.27.4 doesn't
[14:33] <D_Graham> i was just pondering doing a sudo update-manager -d
[14:34] <Mechdave> I am running a update at the moment will tell you in a sec if the NVIDIA drivers are working again :)
[14:34] <D_Graham> kk
[14:36] <Rioting_pacifist> D_Graham: i would recomend against using intrepid if you want to be able to just turn your box on and use it, intrepd
[14:36] <Rioting_pacifist> wait till it reaches beta
[14:39] <D_Graham> im going to wait till Oct 30th but use my vbox
[14:40] <eythian> 2.6.27-4-generic, and nvidia is working fine
[14:41] <bugabundo_work> kimus: ping
[14:45] <TheBase> hello
[14:45] <bugabundo_work> anybody else having pidgin crashing on irc?
[14:49] <CarlFK> ifup is doing something strange - (works ok on my 8.4 box)  I am doing https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QemuPxe - sudo ifup br0 says "wmaster0: unknown hardware address type 801  Failed..."  full text: http://dpaste.com/80475/
[14:50] <bugabundo_work> is qemu booting livecd isos for anyone?
[14:51] <CarlFK> bugabundo_work: did a few weeks ago
[14:51] <CarlFK> havnt tried sense
[14:51] <bugabundo_work> thanks CarlFK.
[14:52] <bugabundo_work> CarlFK: mine either blocks on initram of at GDM
[14:52] <bugabundo_work> they released a new version of qemu today
[14:52] <bugabundo_work> that fixed the keyb layout..
[14:53] <CarlFK> any idea what ver of qemu is in ibex?  (I know it is .9.2, cuz all builds are .9.2 :)
[14:53] <bugabundo_work> CarlFK: 0.9.1-5ubuntu3
[14:54] <CarlFK> bugabundo_work: but what revesion of qemu is that ?
[14:55] <bugabundo_work> what do you mean?
[14:58] <bugabundo_work> CarlFK: how can I log the output of qemu?
[14:58] <CarlFK> if a qemu bug was fixed and committed to trunk Aug 1, how would I know if that fix is included in ﻿ 0.9.1-5ubuntu3
[14:58] <bugabundo_work> ahh
[14:58] <bugabundo_work> reading the changelogs
[14:58] <bugabundo_work> some thing like changelogs.ubuntu.com
[14:59] <bugabundo_work> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/q/qemu/
[14:59] <bugabundo_work> or at LP CarlFK
[14:59] <edp> i've a little question, is the alpha 6, a bit stable?
[15:00] <bugabundo_work> is nay alpha stable? edp
[15:00] <bugabundo_work> intrepid is working fine for most people
[15:00] <CarlFK> edp: I use it on my main laptop
[15:00] <edp> noooo bugabundo_work, but i wanna know if i can switch to unstable
[15:00] <xomp> intrepid raped my mother, and killed my father
[15:00] <xomp> so... :P
[15:00] <bugabundo_work> but if you wish to upgrade you need to be aware of something edp
[15:00] <edp> xomp, lowl
[15:01] <edp> bugabundo_work, i already updated ubuntu version 7.10  to 8.04
[15:01] <bugabundo_work> edp what do you mean by "unstable"?
[15:01] <bugabundo_work> this is not debian
[15:01] <edp> and i've suceeded, i'm not a noob lol
[15:01] <CarlFK> edp: don't do it on your main box
[15:01] <CarlFK> if you on;y have one box, don't do it
[15:01] <edp> bugabundo_work, exact lol, i wanna know if i'll get trouble if i upgrade my version right now
[15:02] <CarlFK> edp: maybe.
[15:02] <bugabundo_work> no more trouble then anybody else
[15:02] <bugabundo_work> be ready for problems, breakgesg, data lost... anything at all
[15:02] <edp> yess, but are there big known bugs?
[15:02] <CarlFK> edp: yes.
[15:02] <edp> CarlFK, like?
[15:03] <bugabundo_work> if you are able to get yourself out of trouble, great... if not, and you NEED YOUR MACHINE remain on a stable version
[15:03] <xomp> like what I've stated previously edp :P
[15:03] <edp> xomp...
[15:03] <edp> bugabundo_work, don't understood a thing
[15:03] <xomp> I should try intrepid on my laptop since I'm now dual-booting Hardy on my desktop :)
[15:03] <bugabundo_work> on the other hand, upgranding soon, will help you catch bugs, and get them fixed before RC is released... bugs reported after get can only get fixed on the next version, edp
[15:04] <CarlFK> edp: no clue.  given your questions, 'don't' is the correct advice
[15:04] <bugabundo_work> xomp: update-manager -d
[15:04] <xomp> bugabundo_work, danke :)
[15:04] <bugabundo_work> ohh and PLEASE don't forget to make backups xomp
[15:04] <xomp> bugabundo_work, well I'm not concerned about backups since my main ubuntu system is on the desktop.
[15:04] <CarlFK> edp: if you can deal with problems, including loosing everythign, then do it.  otherwise, don't.
[15:05] <edp> is it pertinent to install the alpha on a virtualbox to see?
[15:05]  * bugabundo_work almost sounded like a WWE Public Announcement: "please don't try this at home, or school" 
[15:05] <Hobbsee> hm, backups.  I should do that.
[15:05] <bugabundo_work> edp there is a bug that doesn't allow ibex to run on VB :(
[15:05] <edp> loosing everything is the worst that can happen... i upgraded many ubuntus, and i never get that pb
[15:05] <bugabundo_work> even qemu is having trouble
[15:05] <edp> oh? really?
[15:05] <mvo> fglrx users should not upgrade currently
[15:06] <bugabundo_work> I never lost a single file on an upgrade
[15:06] <edp> i'm using nvidia drivers
[15:06] <bugabundo_work> but IT CAN HAPPEN
[15:06] <bugabundo_work> and murphys law says it WILL happen
[15:06] <bugabundo_work> me too edp
[15:06] <edp> yess, the possibility of dying in driving a car is still there, but you drive lol
[15:06] <xomp> I've got a rocking ATI mobility radeon M7 in my laptop lol, Intrepid should be fun :D
[15:06] <bugabundo_work> mvo:  how is that going? are you going to get it fix until RC or only post release?
[15:07] <bugabundo_work> mvo shouldn't there be something about ATI cards on the release notes??
[15:07] <bugabundo_work> update-manager could also show a notification....
[15:07] <mvo> bugabundo_work: we should release note it, update-manager will also notify the user about it
[15:07] <edp> the kernel freeze is still ok?
[15:07] <mvo> (and transition the user away from it if needed)
[15:08] <xomp> but maybe I can get support for my built-in wifi card "orinoco based" added by default on the next ubuntu release :D
[15:08] <bugabundo_work> mvo is it only 3D support or even OpenSource driver that has the problem?
[15:09] <bugabundo_work> xomp I have an intel 4965 and can't use it... either my rf kill switch won't turn it on, or NM gives me timeouts! :(
[15:09] <bugabundo_work> my webcam lost support with kernel 2.6.27... bah
[15:09] <xomp> wow that's kind of unexpected with Intel products working on linux systems hehe
[15:09] <bugabundo_work> so many show-stoppers.
[15:10] <bugabundo_work> never had any trouble with my bg2200
[15:10] <bugabundo_work> but this 4965 is a real piece of ch@@t
[15:10] <edp> bugabundo_work, i've a 4965 tooo lol
[15:11] <edp> and that's why i wanna go on intrepid
[15:11] <bugabundo_work> the first time it got unplug... support fixed that after several months of me complaining... now kernel 2.6.27 stop supporting my soft rf_kill switch
[15:11] <edp> i read this card will be integrated in 2.6.27
[15:11] <bugabundo_work> edp I came to ibex even before alpha1 come out just to get that working...
[15:11] <bugabundo_work> it is supported
[15:12] <bugabundo_work> just not the rf_kill switch
[15:12] <edp> bugabundo_work, what is the rf_kill switch?
[15:12] <bugabundo_work> if you have a HARD button you should be fine... soft kill is worse
[15:12] <bugabundo_work> ahh edp, it's the button that turns it on and off
[15:12] <edp> i've a laptop, dv9500 of HP,
[15:12] <edp> and there is a button ( hardware ) to stop it yess
[15:12] <xomp> I have a dreaded Compaq Wireless Miniport W200 wifi card (technically usb) that's built into the lid of my Compaq Evo N610C notebook lol
[15:12] <bugabundo_work> mine is fn+F2
[15:13] <edp> and is the card supported fine bugabundo_work ?
[15:13] <bugabundo_work> test a livecd or inetboot to check it out
[15:13] <edp> oooh good idea
[15:13] <edp> !!
[15:13] <bugabundo_work> you can use usb-creator to save you from burning a CD and just use an USB pen
[15:14] <edp> didnt' thought about it
[15:14] <CarlFK> bugabundo_work: have you been able to pxe boot the live cd?
[15:14] <bugabundo_work> haven't tried it
[15:15] <bugabundo_work> I just use inetboot (whenever the kernel works with it)
[15:15] <bugabundo_work> http://openlab.jp/oscircular/inetboot/
[15:15] <mvo> bugabundo_work: its only a problem with fglrx, but without fglrx people may loose 3d acceleration. the new free radeon is really good when it comes to 3d for modern cards (support the r500) but does not cover as much hw as fglrx
[15:15] <bugabundo_work> just a line in grub, and I boot via the internet
[15:15] <CarlFK> i tried to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot - I can get to a #root prompt, but startx locks up the box
[15:15] <bugabundo_work> 200MiBs just to get to GDM
[15:15] <edp> Due to an unresolved bug in the Linux kernel included in these images, they should not be used on Intel ethernet hardware supported by the e1000e driver (Intel GigE). Doing so may render your network hardware permanently inoperable.
[15:15] <edp> just read this
[15:16] <edp> how can i know if i've a intel ethernet hardware thing?
[15:16] <bugabundo_work> lspci ? edp
[15:16] <bugabundo_work> but AFAIK it only comes on servers
[15:16] <bugabundo_work> but I could be wrong
[15:16] <edp> says realtek,... but my wifi is intel....
[15:16] <bugabundo_work> thanks mvo
[15:17] <edp> 0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01)
[15:17] <bugabundo_work> edp the e1000e is eth not wifi
[15:17] <edp> no pb so?
[15:17] <bugabundo_work> nope
[15:17] <edp> ok...
[15:18] <bugabundo_work> well... murphy says you can still get hit by a meteor... but you should be fine by testing Ubuntu live CD
[15:18] <bugabundo_work> I just rsync my iso almost every day and try it on qemu or from recovery console
[15:18] <edp> bugabundo_work, you love murphy lol
[15:18] <edp> rsync an iso?
[15:18] <bugabundo_work> yep
[15:19] <bugabundo_work> yeah
[15:19] <edp> everyday????
[15:19] <bugabundo_work> if pidgin was working on IRC I would send it to you
[15:19] <bugabundo_work> just a few mibs per day
[15:19] <edp> wowowo, rsync is copying directories for me....
[15:19] <bugabundo_work> even the DVD was 539MiBs
[15:20] <bugabundo_work> you can use it with delta
[15:20] <edp> what do you do with rsync and iso files?
[15:20] <bugabundo_work> and just download what has changed
[15:21] <bugabundo_work> http://paste.ubuntu.com/50500
[15:22] <bugabundo_work> edp: here you go
[15:23] <edp> what's that?
[15:23] <bugabundo_work> my daily livecd rsync script
[15:24] <edp> so you download everyday the new live cd?
[15:24] <bugabundo_work> noo
[15:24] <bugabundo_work> not everyday
[15:25] <bugabundo_work> just when I need to test something
[15:25] <bugabundo_work> maybe 3 times a week
[15:25] <bugabundo_work> as I said... its just a few MiBs... maybe 100MiBs when a lot changes...
[15:25] <edp> it downloads the whole live cd isnt' it?
[15:26] <bugabundo_work> nope
[15:26] <bugabundo_work> just the Deltas (what changed)
[15:27] <bugabundo_work> of course if you nothing it will download the all iso
[15:27] <edp> logical
[15:27] <edp> interessting, i didnt' know rsync could do such thiungs
[15:27] <bugabundo_work> guys does mount support HTTPFS ?
[15:27] <bugabundo_work> yeah... quite nice edp
[15:28] <edp> really
[15:28] <edp> i'm impressed
[15:28] <edp> bugabundo_work, could you explain me your script?
[15:29] <bugabundo_work> its quite simple
[15:29] <bugabundo_work> there is some extra lines for other stuff
[15:29] <bugabundo_work> but basicly it's a 4 line script
[15:29] <edp> yeah, but i muss dl an i386
[15:29] <bugabundo_work> what are your doubts?
[15:29] <bugabundo_work> if you have a 386 CPU, sure
[15:29] <bugabundo_work> I have a C2D
[15:30] <edp> me too
[15:30] <edp> so i muss just run the script as it is pasted?
[15:32] <bugabundo_work> use http://paste.ubuntu.com/50503
[15:33] <edp> okay thanks dude!!!
[15:36] <edp> bugabundo_work, you're a roxor
[15:38] <bugabundo_work> what did you just call me!?!?!?!?
[15:38] <Rioting_pacifist> hmm i wiped my chroot and am trying to bootstrap a system but it cant configure dbus ?
[15:39] <edp> bugabundo_work, you rox... is it an insult?
[15:40] <bugabundo_work> I still don't know what rox or roxor is, edp
[15:41] <bazhang> rocks, ie great
[15:41] <edp> bugabundo_work, exactly
[15:46] <bugabundo_work> ahh
[15:46] <bugabundo_work> ok
[15:47] <darthanubis> one core is running 6degrees warmer
[15:47] <darthanubis> and I have no flash in firefox
[15:47] <darthanubis> I had to uninstall pusleaudio
[15:47] <bugabundo_work> darthanubis: hardy or intrepid?
[15:47] <darthanubis> I don't want to have to resinstall alpha6 just to fix these issues
[15:48] <darthanubis> this is the intrepid channel right?
[15:48] <bugabundo_work> yes
[15:48] <darthanubis> yeah Ibex
[15:48] <bugabundo_work> but sometimes hardy users come by
[15:49] <darthanubis> pulseaudio I believe I can straighten out
[15:49] <darthanubis> the flash thingy, makes no sense
[15:49] <darthanubis> and the 6degrees is odd as well
[15:50] <darthanubis> but the system is fast and stable
[15:50] <bugabundo_work> pulse audio should be fine
[15:50] <bugabundo_work> not many new bugs for it in the past few days
[15:51] <bugabundo_work> flash is always that thing... either works or it won't ever...
[15:51] <bugabundo_work> give gnash a try
[15:51] <bugabundo_work> diff temps may either be faulty sensor or bad soft
[15:51] <darthanubis> hmm
[16:09] <igormorgado> hi there. In ubuntu+1 I having some problems with KVM .72 and intel vmx regards real mode, ppl in #kvm, told me about .75 fix some problems related, will ubuntu+1 be shipped with .72?
[16:11] <Rioting_pacifist> hmm i wiped my chroot and am trying to bootstrap a system but it cant configure dbus ?
[16:11] <Pretto> after last update i cant play urbanterror
[16:11] <Pretto> i am getting the following  error
[16:13] <Pretto> http://pastebin.com/f3f91ed23
[16:13] <Pretto> any help?
[16:15] <igormorgado> man intrepid isnt for playing games, is to fix bugs
[16:15] <Rioting_pacifist> Pretto: are you on intrepid
[16:15] <Pretto> Rioting_pacifist, yes
[16:16] <Rioting_pacifist> try upgrading somebody came in earlier with audio problems that fixed themselves
[16:16] <joaopinto> igormorgado, playing a game can be considered testing
[16:16] <Pretto> i think the same joakim`
[16:16] <Pretto> ops
[16:16] <Pretto> joaopinto,
[16:17] <igormorgado> joaopinto: not with that report.
[16:17] <Pretto> and it looks like a bug to me, since i was able to play before the last update
[16:17] <joaopinto> igormorgado, you were complaining about the gaming, not about the bug report format :)
[16:18] <igormorgado> joaopinto: in fact one lead to another =D
[16:18] <Rioting_pacifist> has anybody installed intrepid from bootstrap? i could really do with a good howto as i dbus not configuring is too vague to get anything usefull from google
[16:18] <joaopinto> Pretto, you could try to file a bug report against pulseaudio
[16:19] <Pretto> joaopinto, looks like   the only way :D
[16:20] <igormorgado> Pretto: there is another way, fix the problem and submit a diff
[16:20] <Pretto> igormorgado, trying that right now
[16:20] <Pretto> i need to  reboot
[16:20] <igormorgado> Pretto: that is good. =D
[16:20] <igormorgado> Pretto: bye!
[16:20] <igormorgado> anyone has tested kvm in ubuntu+1?
[16:21] <igormorgado> Rioting_pacifist: i dont have installed intrepid from bootstrap yet =/
[16:22] <igormorgado> Rioting_pacifist: what is you exact problem with dbus?
[16:22] <igormorgado> Rioting_pacifist: what do you mean about configure dbus? create devices? create conf files?
[16:23] <Rioting_pacifist> dpkg cant configure it
[16:23] <Pretto> solved :D
[16:23] <igormorgado> Rioting_pacifist: tried dpkg-reconfigure -plow?
[16:24] <igormorgado> Rioting_pacifist: which exact package are you trying to configure?
[16:24] <Pretto> i just had to uncoment two lines in /etc/pulse/default.pa  load-module module-alsa-sink   and  load-module module-alsa-source device=hw:1,0
[16:25] <Rioting_pacifist> im trying to install kubuntu-desktop , but during the install it chokes on dbus i get http://pastebin.com/m7d6b038a
[16:25] <dfgas> how do i get nspluginwrapper installed on 8.04? i keep on geting grey boxes in flash
[16:26] <Rioting_pacifist> invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "start" failed.  <seams to be the start of the problems i can stick the entire thing on pastebin if it will help though
[16:26] <Rioting_pacifist> dfgas: this is the channel for 8.10 but that sounds like an nspluginwrapper bug just restart firefox
[16:27] <dfgas> i have to do it constantly
[16:27] <dfgas> thats my problem  :(
[16:27] <igormorgado> Rioting_pacifist: I add a -x to scripts to check where is failing
[16:27] <igormorgado> the problem maybe is messagebus user already exists is returning FALSE and exiting installation
[16:28] <igormorgado> 1. delete user or 2. edit script to avoid/skip this check
[16:28] <igormorgado> imho, do 1 first.
[16:28] <Rioting_pacifist> erm which script do i add -x to
[16:29] <igormorgado> /var/lib/dpkg/dbus.postinst
[16:29] <Rioting_pacifist> i tried 1 before but no luck
[16:29] <igormorgado>  /var/lib/dpkg/info/dbus.postinst
[16:29] <igormorgado> forgot /info
[16:29] <igormorgado> =D
[16:30] <igormorgado> post output.. I will check
[16:35] <Rioting_pacifist> http://pastebin.com/d5c9add8d
[16:36] <Rioting_pacifist> tried adding -x to invoke-rc.d  but nothing usefull came back
[16:37] <igormorgado> its failing on /etc/init.d/dbus start
[16:37] <igormorgado> ok. remove that -x
[16:37] <igormorgado> and add a -x on /etc/init.d/dbus
[16:38] <igormorgado> and do /etc/init.d/dbus start
[16:38] <igormorgado> paste output
[16:38] <Rioting_pacifist> aparently ive not mounted /proc, which i havent, how would i mount it "mount /proc /mnt/Intrepid/proc ?
[16:38] <igormorgado> paste output pls
[16:38] <tommydanger> does wireless work for anyone with 8.10 ?
[16:38] <Rioting_pacifist> http://pastebin.com/d70b3217
[16:39] <Rioting_pacifist> tommydanger: have you tried using it manually, last time i had it working the kde tool failed but i could manually get it up
[16:39] <terminator> Did the Legacy Nvidia Drivers ever get fixed.  I still am using VESA and would like to use the regular video drivers since the screen flicker is killing me.
[16:40] <igormorgado> try it.
[16:41] <tommydanger> no haven't tried yet. I'm speaking of kubuntu, ubuntu works just fine. I can see the networks but nothing happens when I try to connect to it but oh well it's alpha software, I'll just wait ;)
[16:41] <igormorgado>  mount -t proc proc mountpoint
[16:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi, do you know what is the channel for xorg development in ubuntu?
[16:44] <terminator> no I don't
[16:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> or else where is the git source for the xserver-xorg-video-driver (I mean the freedesktop one?)
[16:45] <Rioting_pacifist> that did the tick thx igormorgado. ill add it to the tutorill i was following incase somebody else hits the same problem
[16:45] <terminator> No idea.  I'm new at this and I am lost trying to find other channels.
[16:45] <igormorgado> Rioting_pacifist: no need.. this should be fixed
[16:46] <Rioting_pacifist> Le-Chuck_ITA: are you looking to use the latest xorg on ubuntu
[16:46] <igormorgado> Rioting_pacifist: but. will work for now
[16:46] <Rioting_pacifist> Le-Chuck_ITA: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XorgOnTheEdge may be what your looking for
[16:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Rioting_pacifist: no no I have to respond to a bug and need git master for that driver
[16:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but I find "XF86-video-intel" now XF86 sounds bad to me but perhaps it's the one
[16:47] <wst> Le-Chuck_ITA: #ubuntu-x
[16:47] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks!
[16:47] <Rioting_pacifist> #ubuntu-dev may also be worth looking at
[17:04] <Nece228> ibex will not have new theme :((
[17:05] <Nece228> again...
[17:07] <Nece228> if so then they should dramatically improve performance of system
[17:07] <Nece228> because theres nothink to do more
[17:09] <nemo> say, can the next version of ubuntu request users exit firefox *BEFORE* running a firefox update?
[17:09] <nemo> getting sick of people showing up in firefox channel looking for support 'cause their profile got screwed up
[17:10] <nemo> also, it'd be nice if firefox -safe-mode was in Applications->Internet
[17:10] <nemo> that seems like a minor change
[17:10] <danbh_intrepid> nemo: there is a little notification icon
[17:10] <Nece228> "For the Intrepid Ibex, the development team will prepare an unbelievable desktop, with amazing performance, that will work on mostly any computer (be it a high-end workstation or an old and dusty Pentium III machine)."
[17:11] <Nece228> is this true?
[17:12] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: well. that's after installing
[17:12] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: at that point, we then get users saying they can't start their profile or things are broken
[17:12] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: 'cause localstore.rdf (stupid thing) got corrupted
[17:12] <nemo> localstore.rdf gets way too easily corrupted
[17:12] <nemo> and then of course need to tell them how to run -safe-mode  when we can just tell windows users to look for Firefox (Safe Mode) in their program menu
[17:13] <nemo> it'd be nice if that was a Firefox-safe-mode.desktop entry
[17:15] <danbh_intrepid> nemo: well, you should put your idea on launchpad, I think.  If things are breaking, it merits discussion
[17:16] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: hm. best area? just under firefox bugs ?
[17:16] <danbh_intrepid> nemo: or, maybe its a ff bug, and firefox shouldnt kill itself when it upgrades?
[17:17] <danbh_intrepid> nemo: does firefox force a restart when it upgrades in windows?
[17:17] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: yep
[17:17] <danbh_intrepid> nemo: if so, maybe you should file under update-manager.  But,  you are talking to the wrong person here.  I really dont know
[17:17] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: and it does it *BEFORE* applying the upgrade :)
[17:18] <danbh_intrepid> nemo: yeah, then update-manager
[17:18] <danbh_intrepid> or maybe both
[17:20] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: btw, my mom is running a manual fsck as we speak
[17:21] <nemo> I hope the bug on automating that goes through
[17:21] <nemo> she was a little freaked out by it
[17:22] <igormorgado> mommies do not run fsck
[17:22] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/58430  <- bug for making that friendlier
[17:23] <nemo> igormorgado: my mommy is
[17:23] <nemo> igormorgado: hell. I've had her run more complicated things :)
[17:23] <igormorgado> h4x0r mommy
[17:23] <nemo> igormorgado: of course, what I really need to figure out is why her laptop did not automatically suspend
[17:23] <nemo> power settings may be not setup right
[17:23] <nemo> or maybe ACPI was disabled due to prior issues in older kernels
[17:23] <nemo> (she left it on battery all night)
[17:24] <igormorgado> write in a t-shirt. My mommy is 1337
[17:24] <nemo> heh
[17:24] <nemo> My mommy is a 1337 h4x0r
[17:24] <nemo> not bad
[17:24] <nemo> will consider this
[17:24] <nemo> given she is 55, I'm proud of her. she's also an RN
[17:24] <igormorgado> in fluffy pink letters
[17:24] <nemo> as a kid, she'd be painstakingly typing basic programs into our trs-80
[17:25] <nemo> she didn't know what they *did* but she could type 'em in fine
[17:25] <nemo> for little racing games and stuff
[17:25] <igormorgado> oh. I remember those days.
[17:25] <igormorgado> then my first apple 2.. and a msx.. and a XT , amiga, 386.. linux..
[17:26] <nemo> igormorgado: yeah, I went to linux right after windows 3.1
[17:26] <igormorgado> me too.
[17:26] <nemo> at the time, I was a bit pissed off. wordperfect 5.1 FTW - who needs WYSIWYG?
[17:26] <igormorgado> fvwm, olwm, mwm, and thigs like that
[17:27] <nemo> plus, all that time memorising dos commands...
[17:27] <nemo> had most of base dos memorised - that was a much smaller set than my /usr/bin dir :)
[17:27] <nemo> # ls /usr/bin | wc -l
[17:27] <nemo> 3213
[17:28] <igormorgado> yes. but in may first linux days I got to <TAB><TAB> and tried to learn the usage of all those commands.
[17:28] <nemo> heh.
[17:28] <nemo> well. there weren't as many back then :)
[17:28] <nemo> $ ls -l /usr/bin/\[
[17:28] <nemo> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 34824 2008-04-04 02:42 /usr/bin/[
[17:28] <nemo> did ones like that weird you out? :)
[17:28] <igormorgado> i got a lot of them. of course not learned half of them, and mastered just 10%
[17:29] <igormorgado> in that days? i dunno.. today just a test =D
[17:29] <igormorgado> [ -x bla ]
[17:29] <igormorgado> =D
[17:29] <nemo> hm. only one reference? weird.  I'd think that would be hardlinked
[17:29] <nemo> you'd think one app would do [, ] etc
[17:29] <igormorgado> i never
[17:29] <nemo> oh. \] no such file or directory. hm
[17:29] <igormorgado> apps should be commands =D
[17:29] <nemo> oh. right. is a parameter. duh
[17:30] <igormorgado> yes
[17:30] <igormorgado> basic about sintax: COMMAND [parameters]
[17:30] <nemo> aaanyway. need to file those bugs
[17:31] <carsten1> hi... i recently switched to intrepid and now direct rendering stopped working. i have radeon 9600 and i'm using the radeon driver. glxinfo says "extension glx missing" and segfaults. logfile says (WW) RADEON(0): Direct rendering disabled and (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) can anybody help me? :)
[17:32] <igormorgado> I remember the days when you have to learn how a computer works before work with a computer. today users think in computer as they think about the wash machine, just turn on
[17:32] <danbh_intrepid> carsten1: heh, thats funny, you have an ati card, yet, its complaining about nvidia drivers?
[17:32] <carsten1> yes ;)
[17:33] <nemo> igormorgado: I didn't have to know how my trash-80 worked :)
[17:33] <nemo> igormorgado: ooh. remember fast-forwarding the tapes to find the program you wanted half way through the tape? :)
[17:33] <danbh_intrepid> carsten1: so x segfaults when it tries to start?
[17:33] <igormorgado> sure. I was talking about this yesterday with some friends. they do not believe
[17:34] <carsten1> danbh_intrepid: no, x runs fine, except for dri. glxinfo segfaults
[17:34] <crd1b> carsten1: you just need to uninstall nvidia-glx-*
[17:35] <carsten1> crd1b: I'll try that, thanks!
[17:35] <carsten1> *restarting x*
[17:36] <Hew> My sound seems to break (some process using it?). Anyone know how I can reset my sound / kill processes with a lock on sound / list processes using sound?
[17:37] <carsten1> hooray! worked :)
[17:40] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/274468 :)
[17:41] <danbh_intrepid> mmm, I think you should describe the actual bug, rather than your proposed solution.  Put the solution in the summary
[17:41] <danbh_intrepid> but..... maybe im wrong
[17:42] <danbh_intrepid> lets see what the ff packagers have to say
[17:44] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: well. I was considering it an enhancement :)
[17:44] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: enhancements put the request in the title
[17:46] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: btw. I really really wish launchpad allowed linking to a comment in the scope of the bug report.  Is annoying that not only is there not a little anchor link next to the comment, but there are no hidden comment IDs so I can construct my own
[17:46] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: should I file a launchpad enhancement? :)
[17:49] <danbh_intrepid> nemo: you mean this?: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/274468/comments/1
[17:50] <nemo> gah
[17:50] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: how'd you do that?
[17:50] <nemo> oh. wait
[17:50] <nemo> NOT that
[17:50] <danbh_intrepid> nemo: personally, I think there are two directions.  A) have firefox restart, or B) have firefox not be hostile to its on files.  I think the real bug is that firefox breaks its own files on updates
[17:50] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: that's what annoys me so. there's no way to link with context
[17:51] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: like in bugzilla it creates a nice #comment-1
[17:51] <nemo> or whatever
[17:51] <danbh_intrepid> nemo: link an html anchor link? or whatever its called?
[17:51] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: well. fact is, you are changing things out from under it
[17:51] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: that could easily cause inconsistency besides localstore.rdf
[17:51] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: I don't think making sure firefox doesn't "break its own files" is the right answer
[17:52] <nemo> firefox has a process, and ubuntu is subverting it, which is fine. it should just play along
[17:52] <nemo> in a sense, firefox is a rather large and complex virtual machine.
[17:52] <nemo> almost an OS in its own right.
[17:52] <danbh_intrepid> nemo: yes, but isnt that what the rest of ubuntu linux does?
[17:52] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: I'm sure some applications shut themselves down before updating
[17:52] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: I wouldn't be able to tell you for certain. depends on the app no doubt
[17:53] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: but. yes. typically in linux you can get away with that since things are loaded in memory.
[17:53] <danbh_intrepid> nemo: regardless, you are correct that that little notification is a bit of a cheap fix for this issue.
[17:53] <nemo> however, not everything is loaded in memory
[17:53] <nemo> and that is the issue with firefox. you get some legacy stuff, some non-legacy.
[17:53] <nemo> and things start crumbling
[17:54] <nemo> danbh_intrepid: I know there are apps that have notifications on install, would not be hard to have firefox be one of those.  after hitting next, it shuts down all firefox instances that weren't already closed down
[17:55]  * nemo adds a comment to that effect
[17:59]  * crd1b thinks it's completely unreasonable to require that
[18:00] <danbh_intrepid> crd1b: are you aware that firefox can apparently break if not restarted?
[18:01] <crd1b> then firefox should be fixed
[18:01] <danbh_intrepid> crd1b: well, welcome to the debate  : )
[18:03] <danbh_intrepid> crd1b: I mean, right now, the current fix is a little vague notification in the corner of your screen.  Personally, I don't think thats enough if FF can break as a result
[18:03] <nemo> crd1b: I don't think this is something "fixable"
[18:03] <nemo> crd1b: any program could fail if parts of it are updated and other parts are not
[18:04] <nemo> crd1b: that means any program that loads files into memory after launch
[18:04] <crd1b> why would it do that?
[18:04] <nemo> (configuration or libraries)
[18:04] <nemo> crd1b: gee, I don't know, but why would it need a notice otherwise
[18:04] <nemo> current notice is already silly
[18:04] <nemo> even without the corruption you get users getting errors 'cause they didn't restart
[18:05] <nemo> and firefox was, presumably, loading some chrome file
[18:05] <nemo> crd1b: perhaps you would have temerity to file a bugzilla.mozilla.org bug claiming firefox shouldn't reload chrome XUL while in operation or something silly?
[18:16] <DanaG> !find glut.h
[18:16] <DanaG> ummm... say what?
[18:17] <void^> !info freeglut3-dev
[18:17] <DanaG> Thanks.
[18:17]  * DanaG pokes ubottu with a stick.
[18:17] <danbh_intrepid> DanaG: I think it must be a 37 word error message : P
[18:20] <DanaG> gl/glut.h: No such file or directory
[18:20] <DanaG> ... after installing that package, still.
[18:22] <void^> freeglut3-dev: /usr/include/GL/glut.h
[18:23] <void^> gl vs. GL maybe?
[18:24] <DanaG> Aah.
[18:25] <DanaG> It's for a class lab, and the teacher is using it in Visual Studio.
[18:34] <Alexia_Death> hello,
[18:35] <Alexia_Death> I have an issue with the latest firefox update. it caused flash to not play audio.
[18:48] <LocutusOfBorg> hello everyone
[18:48] <LocutusOfBorg> can I ask something about skysentials?
[18:48] <igormorgado> !ask
[18:50] <igormorgado> imho is possible to do a regex about ask to ask and do a auto reply function. =D
[18:57] <Alexia_Death> my issue was sloved by installing libflashsupport
[19:20] <vbabiy> http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/2.24/#rnusers.hamster is this in Ubuntu 8.10
[19:20] <vbabiy> as of all the updates
[19:21] <tonyyarusso> All right, so I'm sure on some levels the new Xorg stuff is nice, but how on earth do I configure certain settings (eg. middle mouse button for scrolling) without the old xorg.conf setup?
[19:21] <danbh_intrepid> mmm, there is a new file somewhere
[19:21] <danbh_intrepid> !schedule
[19:22] <tonyyarusso> vbabiy: yeah, hamster's included, but not installed by default and it's in universe.
[19:22] <vbabiy> tonyyarusso: thanks alot
[19:23] <danbh_intrepid> tonyyarusso: well, I really don't know, but the release notes claim input-hotplug is used, with keyboard settings residing in /etc/default/console-setup
[19:24] <tonyyarusso> hmm
[19:28] <danbh_intrepid> oh, btw, I think xorg.conf directives still work fine, so its backwards compatible..
[19:30] <danbh_intrepid> tonyyarusso: last comment, take a look at xinput
[19:30] <sysdoc> Where in compiz do you adjust the window sticky (sticky to other windows or view port?)
[20:01] <cwillu> sysdoc, move plugin
[20:09] <bsnider> can anyone listen to the stream from this site: http://www.theinternetbusinesshour.com/
[20:12] <TeslaTony> Since I am running kubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop at the same time, I keep getting KNetworkmanager and NetworkManager Applet (the gnome thingy) running at the same time. Is there a way to keep the KDE stuff to KDE and the Gnome stuff to Gnome? Or should I just kill one of the programs?
[20:14] <cwillu> TeslaTony, NetworkManager is independant of both of them afaik.
[20:14] <cwillu> you get them both running under a single session?
[20:14] <TeslaTony> Yup
[20:15] <TeslaTony> Under 8.04, KNetworkManager and nm-applet would stay to their respective environments
[20:15] <sysdoc> cwillu: thanks for the heads up!
[20:15] <TeslaTony> They aren causing any trouble, itś just odd
[20:16] <cwillu> bsnider, doesn't work here, although I haven't tried very hard
[20:17] <bsnider> cwillu, many thanks. you shouldn't have to try hard, is the point
[20:18] <TeslaTony> Is KNetworkManager just the frontend to Network Manager 0.7?
[20:20] <cwillu> believe so
[20:20] <cwillu> !info knetworkmanager
[20:21] <sysdoc> cwillu: Move window hasn't go the setting for it's sticky to edges. If I disable it can't move a window at all... Beryl was alot easier to tweak this stuff
[20:21] <sysdoc> And at the very least find the settings, lol!
[20:21] <TeslaTony> cwillu: sudo apt-get purge nm-applet it is, then
[20:21] <cwillu> sysdoc, beryl is compiz fusion
[20:21] <sysdoc> Yea with the compiz manager and not the Beryl
[20:23] <sysdoc> Anyways, this freaking window attraction to others is set way too high, not enough screen to unstick the lil puppies
[20:23] <cwillu> sysdoc, my bad, it's the one right above it called 'snapping windows' :p
[20:23] <sysdoc> I thought it was the snapping also, so I disabled it and it is still sticking
[20:24] <sysdoc> Then I reenabled the snappy plugin and it says that it has to disable the wobbly plugin
[20:25] <cwillu> sysdoc, if disabling it didn't work, you've got a borked setup (just tried it).  There was a bugfix I noticed a day or two ago about compiz using file-based backend instead of the gconf-backend, which could be the source of your trouble
[20:25] <sysdoc> cwillu: good man! thanks again for the heads up
[20:26] <sysdoc> Did ya see the bug fix in the updates or off the site?
[20:27] <cwillu> bsnider, if you happen to be complaining to that site, please mention that the roll-over sound-effects are really annoying, and are mixed far too loud for anyone with their speakers adjusted for listening to properly mastered music :p
[20:27] <cwillu> sysdoc, update-manager's changelog
[20:28] <cwillu> I think
[20:28] <bsnider> cwillu, i couldn't hear any sound effects
[20:28] <cwillu> bsnider, there's roll-over clicks on the flash on their front page
[20:28] <cwillu> they sound like death-by-white-noise
[20:29] <bsnider> you mean they sound like a george bush speech?
[20:29] <cwillu> no, that's badly played trombone
[20:31] <TeslaTony> I knew he was Charlie Browns teacher!
[20:38] <maxb> I have a non-essential machine I'd like to try Intrepid on, currently running Hardy.  Is 'sudo update-manager -c -d' the right thing to do?
[20:39] <cwillu> don't think you need the sudo, otherwise yes
[20:39] <maxb> I've already done that once, but the intrepid upgrader seemed to upgrade me from hardy to hardy :-/. I've been cleaning up my packages and apt config. Shall try again.
[20:42] <mvo> maxb: oh? if update-manager -d does not work for you, please post the outputof /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log to me
[20:49] <maxb> mvo: http://jabberwock.vm.bytemark.co.uk/~maxb/main.log  ... it seems to have done the same again :-/
[20:50] <maxb> gui went through the normal steps - spent far too little time on the "installing packages" phase to be real, and afterwards the system seems mostly unmodified
[20:50] <TeslaTony> I'm using the Intel Gigabit chipset that gets fried by Alpha 6, and as a result I have no wired connection under Ubuntu. However, it works fine with WinXP Pro
[20:50] <maxb> In terms of packages, that is. sources.list has been transformed as expected
[20:51] <mvo> maxb: thanks, could you please put apt.log and apt-term.log up as well? that looks like a bug
[20:52] <cwillu> TeslaTony, you probably didn't fry it;  they disabled the driver until they have a fix
[20:52] <bsnider> TeslaTony, i thought it was supposed to be down to 10 mbps in XP after the kernel zapped it?
[20:52] <maxb> Right now I have a mixture of logfiles from two attempts. I'm going to reboot, revert my sources.list to hardy, retry, and post a coherent set of logfiles
[20:52] <TeslaTony> Didn't hear that last part, but I haven't checked my connection yet
[20:55] <mvo> maxb: thanks, I don't mind looking at the mixed ones, it has timestamp information, so it should be ok
[20:56] <maxb> If it matters, I precached most of the packages by doing an 'apt-get -d dist-upgrade' with an intrepid sources list before starting anything
[20:56] <TeslaTony> bsnider, I'm running at 100mbps. So it's just a blacklist.
[20:56] <maxb> but then put the sources.list back before trying the upgrade proper
[20:57] <maxb> mvo: you prefer compressed or uncompressed?
[20:57] <hateball> Anyone able to install on a PS3? I tried with the latest build that fixes the spufs error, but it tells me there's no installable kernel found. Skipping that and moving on to packages also leads to more broken depends. But missing openoffice depends shouldnt abort the whole installation imo...
[20:58] <mvo> maxb: either way is fine
[20:58] <mvo> maxb: the strange thing is that the upgrader shows no error and I really wonder why this is the case
[20:59] <maxb> well, I'm glad I'm not the only one confused here :-)
[20:59] <maxb> http://jabberwock.vm.bytemark.co.uk/~maxb/intrepid-upgrade-try-3/
[20:59] <maxb> The single line in term.log is output from mercurial run by etckeeper
[20:59] <nandersson> Why is malfunctional Shockwave Flash 8.0 r99 installed in Intrepid while Hardy has functional Shockwave Flash 9.0 r124?
[21:01] <mvo> maxb: that is interessting, I wonder if that might be the cause of it. I will give it a go
[21:02] <maxb> The machine in question is not being used for anything. I'm happy to purge etckeeper if you thing it might be helpful
[21:02] <mvo> maxb: please see if that makes a difference
[21:09] <maxb> right, here we go on another run
[21:09] <mvo> maxb: my current theory is that etckeeper pre-install returns a non-zero exit code for some reason (it hooks into Dpkg::Pre-Install-Pkgs
[21:10] <maxb> aha
[21:10] <maxb> it looks like it's working!
[21:11] <maxb> yes, this looks a lot more heathy
[21:12] <W1MNK> unable to enter text on Unbutu 8.10 appliance, latest VMWare player running on Vista 32 Business
[21:15] <mvo> maxb: excellent, thanks. looks like its bad at catching this error
[21:15] <maxb> would the partial logs from the currently running, and working, upgrade be useful for comparison?
[21:16] <maxb> partial, because it reckons it's going to take 2 hours
[21:29] <ilembitov> Can anyone show me the upcoming artwork?
[21:30] <Mimi> you mean this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork?action=show&redirect=ArtworkTeam
[21:30] <Mimi> right?
[21:34] <Rafik> hello all, I'm running a fresh install of Ibex alpha fully up to date, gnome-screensaver refuses to start.. the desktop fades to black but jump again. I was not able to install -dbgsym (Depends: gnome-screensaver (=2.22.2-0ubuntu1) but 2.24.0-0ubuntu1 is to be installed)
[21:34] <Rafik> So, i'm searching for the best way to report this bug
[21:37] <wst> rafik: http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/g/gnome-screensaver/gnome-screensaver-dbgsym_2.24.0-0ubuntu1_i386.ddeb ?
[21:37] <wst> and otherwise just report as much information as you have right now
[21:39] <Rafik> wst, thanks, i'll install this. I just seen bug #273787 which is the same thing I'm talking about
[21:40] <ilembitov> Mimi: Probably. I want to know what is actually chosen for 8.10
[21:41] <sysdoc> I have that same bug as is listed above
[21:54] <Kano> hi, who works on network manager?
[21:58] <igormorgado> In ubuntu+1 I having some problems with KVM .72 and intel vmx regards real mode, ppl in #kvm, told me about .75 fix some problems related, will ubuntu+1 be shipped with .72?
[22:03] <DanaG> http://https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/261318
[22:04] <DanaG> Easiest fix: bring back toshiba_acpi.
[22:06] <Nutzebahn> Hello.
[22:06] <Nabor> Hello
[22:15] <cwillu> anybody know if any of the plugged memory leaks in intrepid's compiz relate to leaked video memory?
[22:16] <cwillu> I'm seriously tempted to upgrade this workstation, if it means I won't have to restart X once a week due to compiz issues
[22:16] <igormorgado> cwillu: you can just dont use compiz.
[22:17] <danbh_intrepid> cwillu: I don't think the latest nvidia drivers  work for me yet...
[22:17] <Kano> did you try
[22:18] <cwillu> igormorgado, the alternative of dealing with windows that redraw on every expose is worth the pain of an X restart
[22:20] <igormorgado>  cwillu i dont trust in X at all. Every critical task runs in a screen session or just in background =D
[22:20] <cwillu> igormorgado, amateur :p
[22:21] <cwillu> igormorgado, my critical tasks run on virtualized hardware on remote servers :p
[22:24] <igormorgado> cwillu: mine too
[22:24] <igormorgado> cwillu: xen ftw
[22:24] <cwillu> heh
[22:24] <igormorgado> cwillu: trying to go to KVM. but im having REAL problemas with kvm_intel real mode
[22:25] <igormorgado> In ubuntu+1 I having some problems with KVM .72 and intel vmx regards real mode, ppl in #kvm, told me about .75 fix some problems related, will ubuntu+1 be shipped with .72?
[22:25] <danbh_intrepid> beta freeze just happened
[22:26] <cwillu> igormorgado, there may have been patches applied to .72 though, check if you can find a launchpad report on the bug
[22:26] <Kano> well networkmanager is broken, it does not disable even when there is a manual statement in interfaces
[22:34] <igormorgado> cwillu: will do
[22:41] <Kano> whats the way to install the flashplugin with 64 bit without flashplugin-nonfree package?
[22:45] <void^> using nspluginwrapper manually. used to be a pain, may work better now
[22:46] <Kano> well the sid package does not find nspluginwrapper...
[22:46] <Kano> usually it is installed automatically and it works out of the box
[22:53] <juan_> im having alot of programs unexpectedly crash, but i have little/no idea whats causing it, as its still in alpha do i bother reporting thm through the automatic tool (i dont have the time to figure them all out now) or should i wait till i have the time and sort them out 1 at a time?
[22:55] <danbh_intrepid> juan_: IMHO, I would wait for the beta
[22:56] <juan_> what can i do to help atm then? ive mainly installed it to see if the new radeon drivers rock (which they do), but i kept a stable install to use daily
[22:58] <juan_> is it worth reporting general usability issues or is that likely to be pointless till beta too
[23:05] <danbh_intrepid> juan_: well, Im the only one responding, so you can only have my opinion
[23:12] <danbh_intrepid> in my experience, I file bugs, and the bugs just disappear later on, and the bug report gets ignored.   I have heard that there is also an overwhelming number of bug reports, so bug reports can get ignored in general also
[23:13] <danbh_intrepid> juan_: I think the best thing is if you can find previously filed bug reports, and add to them
[23:44] <DanaG>  /usr/lib/firefox-3.0.2/gnome-www-browser: not found
[23:44] <DanaG> that's what I get when trying to click links from update-manager.
[23:53] <hokmen> hello all
[23:53] <hokmen> hokmen chan comes in
[23:53] <hokmen> maybe you all know this name
[23:53] <hokmen> i add a message
[23:54] <hokmen> the upgrade process of firefox(or other web browser) may complete as you wish to
[23:55] <hokmen> i did know the hash fuctions are upgraded. so i come here to ask when do you wish to complete the whole process of firefox upgrading
[23:56] <hokmen> 现在我手上的firefox打开的时候，仍然默认处于脱机状态。我自己又不想去找about:config
[23:57] <hokmen> 大家怎么看？
[23:58] <Kano> hokmen: do you know in what channel you are?
[23:58] <hokmen> now the firefox(ubuntu8.04) in my hand still be set as offline mode
[23:58] <hokmen> of cause
[23:58] <Kano> hokmen: you are in #kanotix not #ubuntu !
[23:58] <hokmen> ok
[23:58] <Kano> kanotix has got only iceweasel
[23:59] <void^> !zh