[00:07] nvidia fails to load in 27-4 kernel again? whassup with that nvidia ? [00:10] use your old kernels [00:11] smart answer [00:11] helps to resolve it too [00:11] works here [00:12] hmm [00:12] I wonder if it overwrote the xorg.conf again after upgrade [00:12] have to check [00:44] hi, I upgrade to Intrepid but NetworkManager does not connet [00:45] dhclient eth0 works fine [00:52] anyone? [00:53] help me! :-D [00:54] !help [00:54] Hi! I'm #ubuntu+1's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://tinyurl.com/5zfb6t - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [00:54] !help me [00:54] !please [00:54] Avoid your questions being followed by a trail of "Please, help me", "Can nobody help me?", "I really need this!", and so on. This just contributes to making the channel unreadable. If you are not answered, ask again later; but see also !repeat and !patience === emma_ is now known as emma [01:00] hi, I upgrade to Ubuntu Intrepid but NetworkManager does not connect. dhclient eth0 works fine [01:24] does anyone know why my system might suspend fine in the 2.6.26 linux-rt kernel for intrepid, but fail horribly in the 2.6.27-4 (and all the way back to -2 and possibly earlier) kernels? [01:30] after the kernel update my Ethernet is gone [01:31] TuTUXG, do you have a newish laptop? [01:32] ifup eth0 says unknow interface [01:32] not really that new, thinkpad t61p [01:32] TuTUXG, there is a really decent chance that your thinkpad, like mine, is using the e1000e driver [01:32] um... [01:32] which has a wonderful bug of shitting all over its own firmware completely bricking the chip [01:33] so they removed the driver for now [01:33] DBO, so your ethernet is gone as well? [01:33] yes [01:33] ... [01:33] which thinkpad u have? [01:33] T500 [01:33] wow, that's new [01:34] yeah [01:34] how is it? [01:34] well, I dont suggest it until linux gets its suspend shit together [01:34] but its nice [01:34] and dont believe anything you read about "soft" keyboard [01:34] suspend works here ;D [01:34] its just as firm as the 61 [01:35] cool, are you using the open source ati driver? [01:35] i have it with just the intel x4500 [01:35] i wanted all open source drivers [01:35] that's nice [01:36] but... it seems that was all a moot point (if I sound a bit bitter, I am... I mean wtf, intel basically develops xorg...) [01:36] so how about the ethernet, we just wait? [01:36] yes [01:36] wait [01:37] um... [01:37] unless you want to RMA your laptop [01:37] RMA? [01:37] Return to Manufacturing [01:37] lol [01:37] or something [01:38] i already did that, one of mine usb port is broken, i had it replaced [01:38] yeah, you probably dont wanna do that again over a crap driver [01:38] no... [01:39] I STRONGLY suggest leaving it disabled until its ready again [01:39] or revert to a 2.6.26 kernel [01:39] too bad i removed the 27-3 kernel [01:39] the linux-rt kernel which is available doesn't have the bug [01:39] i think it has the driver too [01:39] you can use that [01:39] if you were to use the 27-3 you might brick your hardware [01:40] it was working with the first 27-4 kernel, but not after the update, it's gone [01:40] right [01:40] the only change was to remove the driver [01:40] it randomly will brick the hardware [01:40] you really dont want to be using it [01:41] i was looking at the changelog and notice that they took the e1000e driver, i didnt know that was mine... [01:41] yeah [01:42] so if i use the rt kernel, mine nvidia driver will work? [01:42] it should [01:43] um... [01:43] ? [01:43] you cant just install linux-rt, you have to install the sub packages [01:43] the meta package is broken [01:43] sorry, forgot to mention that [01:44] so when do i actually need to manually use dkms ? [01:45] what do u mean the sub packages? like? [01:46] sudo aptitude install linux-image-2.6.26-1-rt [01:46] DBO, cool, i will try that [01:47] DBO, is there any way to install the driver manually? [01:47] TuTUXG, again, you REALLY dont want to do that [01:47] it will BREAK your hardware [01:48] um... [01:48] it is in 2.6.26 safely... if you use it in 2.6.27, it will break your hardware [01:49] understood [01:49] DBO, thanks a lot, man [01:49] are you using 2.6.26 now? [01:50] i am on 2.6.27 trying to make my suspend work [01:50] basically [01:50] linux sucks [01:50] lol [01:50] i dont ever use my ethernet however [01:50] so losing the driver has no impact on me [01:51] I only use wifi [01:51] i have wireless, but my router is crappy [01:51] disconnect itself randomly... [01:52] yea what the heck happened to suspend [01:52] it works 50% of the time for me [01:52] lol [01:52] wait, let me try [01:52] i'm in class, about to head to the next class [01:52] i hit suspend [01:52] pack up and walk [01:52] a minute later as i'm walking i hear the ubuntu drums login sound [01:53] i'm like...wtf [01:53] For me, on my nvidia box, it works once, but usually fails the second time. [01:53] suspend is a gpu function? [01:53] No, but video drivers can break it sometimes. [01:53] oh [01:53] yea i've got a 7600 go [01:53] i am using intel drivers [01:54] this shit should not be a problem [01:54] for all we talk about how great linux is [01:54] yo [01:54] dbo [01:54] OS X and Windows blow it out of the water for shit like suspend [01:54] yeah? [01:54] you know you're using an alpha right? [01:54] Hmm, /me checks his hard drive yanked from the Gateway laptop, to see if it's using 2.6.27. [01:54] you know if you load up 8.04 it'll work like a dream...? [01:54] davismj, no it wont [01:54] Pro/1000 PT (8086:109b) is one of the affected ones, I think. [01:54] it did for me... [01:54] 8.04 doesn't support my half year old hardware [01:55] Oh yeah, laptop-mode has been broken, too -- it doesn't run. [01:55] like what? [01:55] im back [01:55] DanaG: whats laptop-mode? [01:55] I had to install the upstream version to get laptop-mode to work. [01:55] Centrino 2, intel X4500HD [01:55] suspend works fine here [01:55] davismj, laptop mode is essentially the ugly hack that tried to minimize battery usage by adjusting hard drive parameters [01:55] among some other things [01:56] ah [01:56] it can also turn of services when you go into battery mode and some other useful features [01:56] RAOF: How could you say that the hard drive APM thing isn't a big deal? [01:56] alright, going to try the 2.4.2 intel driver [01:57] be back shortly [01:57] i don't understand the draw of a thinkpad... [01:59] DanaG, how do i tell if the laptop-mode is enabled? [01:59] i think its a seperate program [01:59] Ugly hack? It's not an ugly hack.... [01:59] Ubuntu hacked it apart until it turned ugly. [01:59] ... and all the logic has been stripped out. [02:00] http://samwel.tk/laptop_mode/faq [02:01] "I have set ENABLE_LAPTOP_MODE_ON_AC or ENABLE_LAPTOP_MODE_WHEN_LID_CLOSED on Ubuntu, but it isn't working!" [02:01] The laptop-mode-tools package in Ubuntu is a crippled version of the Debian package, which leaves the on/off decisions largely to the acpi-support package. Of course, they failed to mention this in the laptop-mode.conf file and in the manual pages, so that nobody actually knows this. They also failed to mention that the file /etc/default/acpi-support can even turn laptop mode off completely. The Ubuntu solution has various downsides. F [02:01] Gotta' love the crippling. =þ [02:02] ouch [02:03] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/250938 [02:03] Launchpad bug 250938 in acpi-support "acpi-support should let laptop-mode-tools run properly" [Undecided,Fix released] [02:03] has anyone downloaded all the updates recently? is it a good/bad move? i'm having problems with the daily (last saturday) not acceptin 128 bit wep hex keys... even though i'm entering the right ones, it not remembering what passwords i entered upon a restart, and wpa not working.... [02:03] rtl-8185l chipset [02:04] when should we expect to see a flash 10 rc package? [02:04] i thought it was out [02:04] oh do you know where i can get it? [02:04] not sure actually [02:04] i just -think- it is out [02:05] oh ok my flash sometimes crashes on streams and i saw the rc fixes that [02:05] adobe lab? [02:06] i'm lazy and will wait for a deb or something in the repos [02:06] then wait [02:06] try mediubuntu [02:06] ok [02:07] bug 263555 [02:07] Launchpad bug 263555 in linux "[intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e driver places Intel ICH8 and ICH9 gigE chipsets at risk" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263555 [02:07] "Once this corruption has occurred, recovery may be possible via a BIOS update, but may well require replacement of the hardware. Use of Intel's IABUTIL.EXE is strongly discouraged, as it will worsen the problem to the point where the network part will no longer appear on the PCI bus." [02:08] that's scary :( [02:08] failsauce! [02:08] libdrm is hardlocking the system with latest stable intel xorg driver [02:08] going to see if thats also the reason my system hardlocks after resume when X comes up [02:09] which would explain why nvidia people have no issues as it doesn't use libdrm [02:09] TuTUXG: The flash 10 RC for linux is 32 bit [02:09] lukehasnoname, oh [02:09] I just tried [02:09] unsuccessfully [02:09] :( [02:09] lukehasnoname, 64 bit? [02:10] i dont think 64bit flash exists yet [02:10] I just found a way to quite reliably kill PulseAudio: use frame-skip in mplayer. [02:10] repeatedly. [02:10] at least from adobe. Those MFSOBs!! [02:12] allegedly flash in a 64 bit architecture is not a simple port [02:12] allegedly [02:13] what's npviewer? [02:13] in what scientists are calling "pretty gay", the internet has been built on flash. [02:14] not really... [02:14] You'd think an open source development co. or group of people would be all over an FOSS alternative [02:15] like every official ubuntu sites, i doubt u would find flash on any of them [02:15] there are some FOSS alternatives. [02:15] gnash, for one. [02:16] i use gnash to play swf games offline [02:16] Hobbsee: That's not what I meant, but I know what you're talking about [02:16] I mean an entire platform [02:16] as in, no flash on either side [02:17] odd.. console ssh pops up a gnome keyring dialog. [02:17] "Your login keyring was not unlocked at login" -- or something like that. [02:17] lukehasnoname: hi [02:17] DanaG: it's detected an X server, so it probably does, yes. [02:17] That's annoying. If it's a login keyring... then unlock it at logon1 [02:17] DanaG: it's a cacher, etc. [02:17] s/1/!/ [02:17] I have a passwordless ssh key for the host. [02:17] DanaG: login to another server? sheesh, no thanks! [02:18] davismj: hi [02:18] (at login, without my explicit telling it so, that is0 [02:18] lukehasnoname: how are you [02:18] ... I'm there in #exaile if you want to talk there [02:18] Well, it also means I can't auto-connect to a WPA router. [02:18] DanaG: besides, i think you can set it so it unlocks everything at login [02:18] i see that [02:19] Doesn't work with auto-login. [02:19] or various areas. [02:19] I wanted to have a spare system that'd auto-login and auto-connect to WPA... but it's not possible. [02:19] * Hobbsee has autologin, and autoconnect to the WPA access point [02:19] Or rather, now it is, now that the "System Setting" thing is there.... [02:19] brb [02:19] OTOH, i think i have a passwordless gnome-keyring. [02:19] But it never worked for me -- either I got an "enter a password for automatic login" at GDM ... thus defeating the purpose of autologin... [02:19] ... or I got it not unlocking the keyring. [02:20] anyone know if the 8.10 kernel will be PAE enabled by default? [02:20] darrend: whats PAE [02:21] physical address extension.. support for 4G ram [02:21] physical address extension, it fakes 64 bit addressing for 32 bit OS, I BELIEVE [02:21] in desktop it only goes up to 4 GiB [02:21] Yay: Your IP is 2002:4709:3419:1:20e:35ff:fe34:8aff [02:21] if you have 4g ram and no 64 bit chip... [02:21] you do a lot of drinking, ya? [02:21] thank you god [02:21] I figured out what is causing the problem [02:22] the little devil in the BSD logo? [02:22] if I disable accel and remove modprobe -r drm [02:22] i can suspend all day long [02:22] OMG [02:22] you = teh uber bugfixer [02:22] /cheer! [02:22] i going to kills you [02:22] /flee~ [02:22] no, the uber bug fixer would have a working drm with suspend [02:23] gogogo! [02:23] Hobbsee: I just tried gnash in firefox on youtube and it didn't work :( [02:23] what is drm, btw? [02:23] matt^^, no effing clue [02:23] digital right management? [02:23] lol [02:24] lukehasnoname: have you tried the nsplugginwrapper script [02:24] associates a computer with a type of media [02:24] maybe its just a compiz issue... [02:24] This library implements the userspace interface to the kernel DRM services. DRM stands for "Direct Rendering Manager", which is the kernelspace portion of the "Direct Rendering Infrastructure" (DRI). The DRI is currently used on Linux to provide hardware-accelerated OpenGL drivers. [02:24] matt^^: no [02:25] here you go [02:25] lukehasnoname: its a goodie, works every time [02:25] DBO, ? === emma_ is now known as emma [02:27] i see more and more people are using the dust theme [02:27] on deviantart [02:29] * DanaG still likes his ridiculously bright orange theme. [02:33] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme take a look [02:34] so how does one force the drm module to unload from the kernel? [02:34] will that break things horribly? [02:34] DBO: Shouldn't. But it'll only unload if nothing's using it, I believe. [02:35] the intel driver uses it [02:35] Right. I guess that it's likely to break intel pretty hard, since it's likely to lose state across a remove/insert pair. [02:36] yeah [02:36] i figured removing it and adding it might do bad things to X [02:36] so is the drm kernel module in alpha 6 up to date? [02:36] or is there perhaps a compelling reason for me to get a new one? [02:37] Depends on what you mean by "up to date". [02:37] as in most recently released version [02:37] Yes, for the value of "released" equal to "in the upstream kernel". [02:38] ok then i am fresh out of ideas on how to make it play nice [02:38] If you want to play with newer drm modules, you can add my nouveau PPA and do a tiny bit of fiddling with the build script to get a git snapshot of drm master. [02:39] RAOF, that might be worthwhile [02:39] Indeed it might. [02:39] RAOF, why do I need to fiddle at all, dont you have a more recent version all debbed up? [02:39] so the 64-bit deb of OOo 3 RC2 isn't working (link is broken on OO.org) [02:39] so I'm going to compile from source, maybe? woot [02:39] DBO: Because, at one point, the intel drm module didn't build, and that make my nouveau stuff fail to install. [02:40] lukehasnoname: See you in a couple of days, then :) [02:40] RAOF, come again [02:40] DBO: DRM is divided into two parts; libdrm, the userspace component, and the kernel modules. [02:41] * DanaG wishes toshiba_acpi were not removed. [02:41] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/261318 [02:41] Launchpad bug 261318 in xorg "Regression: new Toshiba Laptop Support (tlsup) driver breaks Toshiba hotkeys; input device does not support 'kbd' input handler" [Undecided,New] [02:41] DBO: I build libdrm and a drm-modules-source package for use with modules-assistant (normally you only use the drm kernel modules shipped with the kernel). [02:42] yeah and? [02:42] At one point, the intel.ko kernel module started to fail to build, which made the whole process fail, so I switched to only building nouveau.ko [02:42] ah [02:42] why are you even building intel.ko? [02:42] stupid tlsup... why make a virtual input device... that doesn't work? [02:42] i only care about drm.ko [02:42] DBO: Because I could, and people like you might find it useful :) [02:42] Virtual keyboard... that doesn't report itself as a keyboard. How silly. [02:42] RAOF: you never answered my question. Last night you downplayed the importance of a bug that shortens hard drive lifespan. Why do you believe it's not a big deal? [02:43] * DanaG has tweaked his journal commit time to 900 seconds. [02:43] RAOF, alright, I am looking through your source package now [02:43] oooohhh snap [02:43] That's 5 minutes... or perhaps it was 15 minutes. [02:44] RAOF, what must I do? or must young padawan learn? [02:44] lukehasnoname: Because (a) it only affects people with broken firmware, (b) I'm not sure how much it actually shortens hard drive lifespan. [02:45] I don't remember what my Hitachi drive was set to... [02:45] ... but I was able to permanently set the default APM setting for the drive, using Hitachi Feature Tool. [02:45] ... on Ultimate Boot CD. [02:45] lukehasnoname: As opposed to rough-guideline-lifespan metrics. [02:45] RAOF: when enough people have broken firmware, it's still relevant. My WDC hd is affected, and I have to rig my acpi not to go crazy. [02:45] Heh, you should try a WD My Book drive. [02:45] It goes ssshhhclick every 5 seconds. [02:46] I haven't even thought about whether it affects my external drive.... [02:46] They must have the unload time set to something like 3 seconds. [02:46] DBO: So, you can either wait for this evening, when I'll upload a new package which builds intel.ko as well, or... let me check. [02:46] RAOF, fantastic [02:46] I make you deal [02:46] if I dont go food shopping with the gf [02:46] I will be dead man [02:46] so erm, can you uhhh, make magic happen when I be gone, and then I will love you forever? [02:47] This sounds like a good reason to wait for option (a) :) [02:47] when i start this hardy live cd, networking works just fine, in ibex, networking doesnt work at all. is there something different i need to do? [02:47] RAOF, its this evening here.... [02:47] Yeah, certainly. It'll be in about 7/8ish hours, my time. [02:47] Oh yeah, laptop-mode-tools are actually broken in Intrepid. [02:47] RAOF, ah damnit [02:47] So you'll get it tomorrow morning. [02:47] .. thus, the setting don't take effect. [02:47] * RAOF lives in _his_ time :P [02:48] anyone else had trouble with networking in ibex? [02:48] I've had nm-applet not remembering WPA passphrases... but that's about it. [02:48] :( [02:48] RAOF, can you give me a brief idea what we are talking about having to do? [02:48] ... and naming things like this: [02:48] Auto Home [02:49] Auto MustangWireless [02:49] Auto eth0 [02:49] its like knetworkmanager wont recognize my eth wired conenction [02:49] Auto..... stupid..... I don't want to prefix everything with Auto. [02:49] * DanaG goes off and prefixes random stuff with Auto: [02:49] Auto ubottu: bot [02:49] Auto this sounds really stupid. [02:50] =þ [02:50] DBO: (a) Installing libdrm and drm-modules-source from the ppa. (b) Editing /usr/src/modules/drm-modules/rules & preinst/postrm (c) running module-assistant. [02:50] is networking handled some different way in ibex? [02:50] RAOF, is there any compelling reason I would need a more up to date version of intel.ko? [02:50] DBO: Because your card is new? [02:50] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/250938 [02:50] Launchpad bug 250938 in acpi-support "acpi-support should let laptop-mode-tools run properly" [Undecided,Fix released] [02:50] .... not actually fixed in laptop-mode-tools. [02:51] RAOF, but it works with 2.4.1 (what ubuntu has) [02:51] Tinason: There's a new version of network manager, which might affect things. [02:51] Gotta' love when developers completely GUT all the logic out of something. [02:51] I think I only really need a new version of the drm module [02:52] screw it, I am upgrading them just to see how they work [02:52] DBO: Then you could install drm-modules-source, go to /usr/src/modules/drm-modules/linux-core, and run "make". [02:52] doing it now love [02:53] did anyone else experience trouble with wired connections? [02:54] yes [02:54] Why has the topic not been updated with any sort of note about the e1000e corruption issue? [02:54] but its on and off [02:54] we are dumb? [02:54] DBO: For those playing at home, Intrepid actually has libdrm 2.*3*.1, not 2.4.1 (which is unreleased, as is 2.4.0 ;)) [02:54] i'm especially dumb [02:55] RAOF, see that makes a lot of sense now [02:55] matt^^: did you fix it? [02:55] wow drm is a long compile [02:55] RAOF, I ran make [02:55] arent I suppose to run m-a somewhere here? [02:56] DBO: Not the way you're doing it, which is manually, but will work fine. [02:56] ok, I ran make, now what? [02:56] it built drm.ko [02:56] copy it in place?' [02:56] Copy it to /lib/modules/$(uname -v)/updates, I think. === SergeantPony is now known as KB1OHY [02:57] there is no updates folder [02:57] make one? [02:57] Yes. [02:58] alright, now I reboot I assume? [02:59] Then plop in drm.ko (and possibly i810.ko while you're at it). [02:59] i think i need i915 [02:59] Is there a i915.ko? [02:59] guess not [02:59] i810 it is [03:00] ok, its in place now too [03:00] now I reboot? [03:00] RAOF? [03:01] I have many virtues, and out of all 3 of them, none of them are patients and 3 of them are useless! [03:01] Hm. You may wan to "make i915.o", actually. [03:01] error [03:01] You should be able to simply stop X and then modprobe -r drm [03:01] Then modprobe -vvv drm [03:01] (To make sure it comes from foo/updates [03:02] oh there now it worked [03:02] make i915.o resulted in something, but not an i915.ko [03:03] alright, I am going to go try it [03:03] I installed your libdrm also [03:03] good idea? [03:03] I hope so [03:03] Good luck. [03:03] be right back! [03:05] !ask [03:05] Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-) [03:14] !ask [03:15] thank god [03:23] ping RAOF [03:23] there is an updated i915.ko I need [03:23] DBO: Pong [03:23] where do I get it =P [03:23] Heh. [03:26]