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apacheloggervorian: ^01:26
vorianthat is too funny01:27
kubotu::members:: Kubuntu Members committed ~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks @ https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks01:36
* apachelogger thinks there is a bug01:41
JontheEchidnayeah, it keeps repeating the announcing01:42
JontheEchidnait announced rev1 a lot01:43
apachelogger~config list rss01:44
kuboturss.show_updated, rss.text_max, rss.thread_sleep, rss.head_max, rss.show_links01:44
apachelogger~config show rss.thread_sleep01:45
kubotuincorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help config'01:45
apachelogger~config get rss.thread_sleep01:45
kuboturss.thread_sleep: 6001:45
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: then it would reannounce every 60 seconds I think01:45
apacheloggermaybe it's minutes01:46
JontheEchidnathat would sound about right01:46
apachelogger~config desc rss.thread_sleep01:48
kuboturss.thread_sleep: How many seconds to sleep before checking RSS feeds again01:48
JontheEchidnaguess not01:48
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: maybe the issue is @ lp01:48
JontheEchidnablame it on being closed source :P01:48
apacheloggerI am running rbot git so it might very well be a bug as well01:50
vorianno such thing01:51
o0Chris0oanything a noob helper can do?02:27
kubotu::members:: Kubuntu Members committed ~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks @ https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks02:37
apachelogger~rss unwatch members in #kubuntu-devel03:03
kubotu#kubuntu-devel has been removed from the watchlist for members03:03
apacheloggerJontheEchidna, vorian: there is no difference in feed which would cause that issue03:04
* apachelogger goes to bed03:04
goatsocksdoes kubuntu actually build all available kdeui4 related plugins for qt designer 4? there's a couple of dozen kde widgets in designer's palette but none of the widgets subclassing from KDialog (like KProgressDialog and KConfigDialog) are present and i don't see any other packages i can install (in intrepid) to get them05:48
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Tonio_Riddell: just fyi, kdesudo seems to work nicelly now... still pending in the pipe since the archives are frozen09:53
RiddellTonio_: I think that's worth getting in for beta09:55
Tonio_Riddell: can you let it in or should I ping someone else ?09:58
RiddellTonio_: I'll let it in10:06
RiddellTonio_: what's the difference10:08
Riddelljust looks like white space and tidying changes10:08
Tonio_Riddell: the current one ftbfs :)10:10
Tonio_Riddell: compared to 3.1, fixes 4 bugs10:10
Tonio_Riddell: talking about what to let in, I noticed that okular-extra-backends might be needed for some file formats (like multipages)10:12
Tonio_by default it can only open the first page of a tiff, which makes me think of a bug10:12
Tonio_Riddell: the package is super little, so maybe we should consider shiping it by default no ?10:13
Tonio_Riddell: the package is only 50kB10:13
Tonio_Riddell: and is already in main...10:13
Tonio_Riddell: well okular suggests it10:14
Tonio_Riddell: if it recommends it, then it'll fit on the cd right ? would you agree on that approach ?10:14
Riddellhow much do the dependencies bring in?10:16
Tonio_Riddell: libtiff4 and that's all afaik10:29
Tonio_Riddell: ho and also libdjvulibre2110:30
Tonio_Riddell: both are very little10:30
Tonio_Riddell: stupid question but how can the package already be in main if it's not seeded ?10:30
Tonio_Riddell: that's strange :)10:30
Riddelleither something else in main depends on it#10:31
Riddellor nothing depends on it and it'll be in component mismatches10:31
Tonio_Riddell: only okular suggests it and that's all10:31
Tonio_Riddell: the 3 packages are about 900 kB, which I think is acceptable no ?10:32
Tonio_all in main, so we just need kubuntu-desktop to recommend okular-extra-backends and that's done...10:32
Riddell900kB is another language10:34
Riddellwhich is fine with me, I don't speak any other languages10:34
Riddelladd it to the seed if you want10:34
Tonio_Riddell: :)10:34
Tonio_Riddell: the problem for me is that it can open tiff files without the package, but support is incomplete, that'll be confusing :)10:35
Tonio_Riddell: so should I change the seeds on that point ? I can do that now10:35
Tonio_looks like I have some lag....10:35
Tonio_let's go10:35
RiddellTonio_: it's already in the dvd seed10:35
Riddellso move to the desktop seed as you wish10:36
Tonio_Riddell: should I move it ?10:44
Tonio_Riddell: I added it in fact10:44
Tonio_is dvd including desktop ?10:44
Riddelldvd includes desktop10:45
Tonio_okay so I'll remove it then10:45
Tonio_Riddell: do you want kgrubeditor 0.8.5 for beta ? that's a bugfix release10:52
Tonio_Riddell: "It should be ultra-stable" according to upstream10:52
Tonio_Riddell: kubuntu-meta in the pipe ;)10:53
RiddellTonio_: throw it up, we'll see if we have time10:53
smarterRiddell: Kvkbd is almost ready for a 0.6, the only real problem left is that when kdm is themed, apps are not shown at login, it seems to put everything on the background10:57
smarterI tried to comment random lines of code related to background painting in kdm, but without success10:58
smarterI'll try to poke a kdm dev10:58
Riddellsmarter: there's only one kdm dev :)11:19
* goatsocks is shocked11:20
smarterRiddell: okay, I'll ask him then11:22
smarterhopefully for 4.2/4.3 we have plasma-on-display-manager and Kvkbd will be a plasmoid so that I don't have to use all these hacks11:22
Riddellit would be a definate candidate for chani's plasmoids on screensaver since it's needed for unlocking11:30
goatsocksis kde bugz supposed to be fully operational now?11:43
goatsocksseems like everything i've searched on lately returns from 5 to 20 hits11:45
Riddellooh ooh ooh12:12
RiddellI got a working knetworkmanager12:12
jussi01Riddell: nice!!12:17
goatsocksRiddell: knm4?12:21
Tonio_Riddell: !!!!!!!! veru cool :)12:21
Riddellgoatsocks: no, baby steps12:30
eagles0513875quick question regarding tar12:52
eagles0513875im taring / except the /proc and /tmp does tar also include the group passwd and shadow files12:53
goatsockseagles0513875: if you're tarring as root, everything will be included unless explicitly excluded12:58
eagles0513875ok thanks12:59
goatsocksRiddell: isn't kdelibs5-doc supposed to install the api docs?12:59
Tonio_Riddell: what is the knm working for you ? 0.7/kde3 or the WIP kde4 port ?13:01
Tonio_Riddell: I'd be interested in testing :)13:02
goatsocksTonio_: apparently just kde3 so far :(13:02
goatsocksbut it's good news if it works with nm 0.713:03
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JontheEchidnayay for power outages13:16
apachelogger~rss watch members in #kubuntu-devel13:20
* Hobbsee wonders what that is?13:21
goatsocksvoyeuristic perversion, no doubt ;)13:22
JontheEchidnaRiddell, apachelogger: bug 27467313:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 274673 in kdebase-workspace "[Intrepid KDE] "activities" and zoom features have been removed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27467313:31
apachelogger"It's not because that some people find it "confusing" and "rather useless" that it should be removed (please read the plasma FAQ if so)."13:33
JontheEchidnaHe's arguing that the feature does have use13:35
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rgreeningRiddell: removing patch 17 from kdebase-workspace resolves the problem for me (at least haven't reproduced it since). So recommend removing it for now. I'll start ripping the patch apart and see if I can correct the issue.14:04
rgreeningRiddell: I'll fwd you the debdiff for the removal14:05
apacheloggerrgreening: I think jr already removed it14:07
rgreeningRiddell: K-N-M needs an update. Helmut indicates he's updated the API to match NM0.714:07
rgreeningapachelogger: oh.. really? ok... Then I'll just clean the patch up .. find the problem (hopefully)14:08
apacheloggerthe problem is that it comes from an advanced branch which didn't get much QA so far :P14:09
rgreeningyep. I believe it :)14:11
rgreeningapachelogger: any suggestions on the best way to update the knetworkmanager SVN srouce so I can build a new test release?14:12
rgreeningReally need ot get this into intrepid asap14:12
Riddellrgreening: I have NM working here14:13
Riddellwould have packages too except I got distracted by a low memory install14:14
Riddellwill have packages shortly14:14
rgreeningI'm so sick of having to run nm-applet (even though it has more features I'd rather help add to KNM)14:14
Tm_Trgreening: btw networkmanager has new features once again by one of my friend, though you might already know this one: LightOM-0814:17
Tm_Tno, not that one14:17
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: bug 274779, case in point ;-)14:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 274779 in kdebase "Clicked the "Add Activity" button when zoomed out and primary activity container disappeared" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27477914:19
rgreeningTm_T: yeah, got a message from Helmut he updated svn14:21
Tm_Trgreening: good (:14:22
Tm_Twill talk you later, now ->14:22
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: add a comment to the other14:22
rgreeningRiddell: got a link to src I can dl and play with14:22
apacheloggerproof ftw14:22
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: I did14:22
JontheEchidnaapachelogger: but how to fix batget?14:23
* Hobbsee read batget as badger, for some reason14:24
rgreeningRiddell: I'll dl the svn for now, but it would be nice to have the tar.gz you are uploading.14:24
* Hobbsee smashes akregator around the head, and chops it up into little bits14:29
* apachelogger likes google reader better :P14:30
Hobbseetinytinyrss looks interesting, too.14:30
* JontheEchidna just uses Live Bookmarks in Firefox14:30
Hobbseeakregator's lost some of my feeds *again*14:30
* apachelogger best thing is still rbot14:30
apacheloggerkubotu: right?14:30
apacheloggerhm, not in a talking mood14:31
jussi01firefox is so screwed atm, whatever that last update i forgot to look at was, it was rubbish...14:32
Hobbseewhat's wrong wiht it?14:34
goatsocksseele: did you happen to commit an rc fix for Umbrello's default window size along with those others? it comes up in a really tiny window, even smaller than ksysguard14:35
jussi01sites with javascript suck, some sites dont even open,...14:35
Hobbseehaven't seen that14:35
jussi01Hobbsee: what have you seen?14:35
Hobbseenothing - works as normal.14:36
Hobbseeafaik, anyway14:36
Hobbsee. o O { badger badger badger badger MUSHROOM MUSHROOM!!!}14:36
rgreeningapachelogger: what's the current state of QT Firefox?14:37
JontheEchidnaman, now I've got the song stuck in my head14:37
HobbseeJontheEchidna: http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ :)14:37
eagles0513875hi Hobbsee14:37
Hobbseehey eagles0513875!14:37
goatsocksrgreening: not usable, the widgets aren't completely ported and UI font rendering is hosed14:38
rgreeninggoatsocks: ah. ok...14:38
rgreeningtoo bad14:38
eagles0513875does the  ia32-libs come preinstalled with 64bit hardy14:38
Hobbseejussi01: as long as the badger song works, it's all good, right?  :)14:38
goatsocksi hope they keep working on it, there hasn't been any visible progress since they announced it to the world a few weeks ago14:39
Hobbseeeagles0513875: no, it's in universe.14:39
jussi01Hobbsee: :P yeah14:39
eagles0513875interesting cuz its saying that its already the latest14:39
Hobbseeyou installed it?14:39
eagles0513875dont think so i dont have anything installed on here brand new install from last night14:39
Hobbseenot...flash or somethign?14:39
eagles0513875only installed firefox boinc and apache sendmail spamassassin clamav bind and dhcp14:40
eagles0513875let me try again and see now that i have all repos added see if i get same response14:40
Hobbseeeagles0513875: this is not a support channel, anyway.  try #kubuntu14:40
eagles0513875iknow sry Hobbsee14:41
seelegoatsocks: no, i dont even remember seeing tht in kickoff14:42
goatsocksrgreening: did you see those screenshots i posted a week or so ago, i themed firefox-qt with a google chrome look? heh14:42
Hobbseegoatsocks: firefox-qt actually works now?14:42
goatsocksseele: yeah, umbrello isn't installed by default, but it does get installed with kdesdk14:42
rgreeningyeah. goatsocks. nice14:42
goatsocksHobbsee: works, yeah... but just barely ;)14:43
seelegoatsocks: ah, yeah.  i only did default install apps14:43
seelegoatsocks: it's only a quick fix too.. the sizes ought to be all fixed upstream eventually14:43
Hobbseegoatsocks: interesitng.  that's better than when it didn't finish compiling14:43
jussi01Hobbsee: did you not see my blogpost?14:43
goatsocksseele: if you don't mind, i think there was a couple of other apps in kdesdk that have that problem as well ;)14:44
Hobbseejussi01: unsure.  both thunderbird and akregator have thrown their toys out of their cot, today14:44
jussi01Hobbsee: it was a while back...14:45
Hobbseejussi01: oh, then maybe i did.14:45
jussi01Hobbsee: fyi, jussi01.com14:45
Hobbseebut by that point, i didn'tneed it, iirc :)14:45
goatsocksseele: nm, i was thinking of KUiViewer, but it's actually supposed to be small... so it's just umbrello afaik14:46
* goatsocks wonders if he should click on that badger link14:47
Hobbseegoatsocks: yes, you should.  it's not related to my myspace.14:48
goatsocksif it turns out to be an annoying tune that gets stuck in my head, i'll have you rickrolled! ;)14:49
Hobbseebetter than being turned into a newt, i suppose.14:49
jussi01"she turned you into a newt?" "I got better..."14:51
Hobbseethat's the one :)14:51
jussi01"bring out your dead, bring out your dead..."14:52
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jussi01ok, enough monty python..14:52
Hobbsee"bloody weather"14:52
rgreeningRiddell: I'm trying to build the latest snv knm.. fail's on openvpn. Does the debuian rules file need to exclude openvpn?14:54
* goatsocks gets acid flashback from the badgers14:55
Riddellrgreening: no, openvpn was working (at least it didn't fail)15:13
rgreeningRiddel: hmm... svn864988 for me fails on vpnplugin and then openvpnc. Missing header... I disables plugins for now so I could build/test.15:18
rgreeningRiddell: ^15:18
rgreeningRiddell: of course, I did a straight copy of the debian dir into the svn src dir. Did the make -makefile.cvs and then built the tar ball and tried pbuilder15:20
RiddellI run make -f makefile.cvs before making the .orig15:22
Riddellhavn't tried pbuilder yet15:22
rgreeningthe debian dir may need changes. In fact, rules requires a change to the -p -D -m644 knetworkmanager/src/knetworkmanager.desktop line15:23
Riddellrgreening: http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/knetworkmanager/network-manager-kde_0.7svn864988-0ubuntu1_i386.deb15:23
rgreeningk. dl15:24
rgreeninggot a link to proper tar.gz as well15:24
Riddellsame directory15:24
rgreeningkk. getting15:24
Riddelltesters needed ^^15:37
RiddellTonio_ ^^15:38
vorianRiddell: ye have amd64? or source for me to build it with?15:39
Riddellvorian: source is in that directory15:40
Riddelloh, hmm, it doesn't build in pbuilder15:40
rgreeningRiddell: no wireless joy for me with latest knm15:42
rgreeningRiddell: hmmm.. I manually recreated the wireless connection, and it now works. weird15:45
rgreeningRiddell: gonna try some more tests.15:45
goatsocksnm upgrades are really fickle about stored configs15:45
rgreeninggonna reboot. make sure it picks up correct on boot.15:45
* rgreening sings "happy-happy-joy-joy"15:54
rgreeningRiddell: knm works for me now15:54
* Hobbsee coats rgreening in glue15:54
JontheEchidnaRen and Stimpy owns15:55
rgreeningnow, if only knm showed the IP addres associated with each connection somehow...15:55
* rgreening thinks it's time to lok atthe code more closely15:56
rgreeningwonder why left and right click open the same window rather thna have a left click (like nm-applet) show connection info15:57
rgreeningRiddell: does the package reslolveconf work correctly with NM now?15:59
Riddelldunno, asac probably would16:00
rgreeninghere goes then.. installing vpn plugins and will test the resolveconf package (it's a dep on one plugin)16:01
rgreeningbrb.. reboot16:02
goatsocksi'll be happy to test if someone'll put up an amd64 package... i don't have pbuilder set up, and building with debuild wants to make a bunch of nasty changes to my installation16:03
rgreeningRiddell: knm with plugins looks ok on this end now. good stuff16:12
Riddellrgreening: what sort of plugins?16:14
rgreeningthe vpn ones16:14
rgreeningresolveconf seems to work correct16:14
JontheEchidnargreening: the launchpad integration patch breaks kde4bindings16:15
JontheEchidnacauses ftbfs16:15
rgreeningoh no...16:16
JontheEchidnadevfil: do you still have the line showing where the kde4binding fails?16:16
rgreeningJontheEchidna: any idea why?16:16
JontheEchidnaI haven't really looked at it that much16:16
devfilJontheEchidna: no16:16
* JontheEchidna digs out the irc logs16:16
devfilJontheEchidna: can you paste it to me when you will find it?16:17
JontheEchidna[Thu Sep 25 2008] [15:34:42] <devfil>Riddell: /root/kdebindings-4.1.2/obj-i486-linux-gnu/smoke/kde/x_16.cpp:4416: undefined reference to `KStandardAction::kubuntuGetHelpOnline(QObject const*, char const*, QObject*)'16:18
JontheEchidna[Thu Sep 25 2008] [15:34:42] <devfil>collect2: ld returned 1 exit status16:18
JontheEchidna[Thu Sep 25 2008] [15:34:57] <devfil>trying to build kdebindings16:18
JontheEchidnadevfil, rgreening^16:18
devfiluhm ok16:18
rgreeninghmm... strange16:18
rgreeningsome export ref needed?16:19
rgreeninglet me look. got src16:19
rgreening1 sec16:19
JontheEchidnargreening: if you can get a patch working I'll pass it on to the people doing KDE 4.1.2 packaging16:20
rgreeningwill 4.1.2 get into Intrepid?16:20
* rgreening hopes16:20
rgreeningokies. I'll get on it16:21
JontheEchidnacool, thanks16:21
rgreeningJontheEchidna/devfil: the error appears related to the 'visibility' of that action. I need to look a little deeper.16:25
devfilrgreening: I should have a full build log16:25
rgreeningI'm building now... as well16:26
rgreeningdevfil: do you have a link to the tarball for kdelibs5 4.1.2? I'd like to manually patch and ensure the patch is accurate for the new source.16:33
JontheEchidnargreening: I'll pm you16:33
devfilrgreening: thanks for your work on this16:34
rgreeningnp. :)16:34
rgreeningdevfil/JontheEchidna: seems to compile kdebindings for 4.1.1 fine (so far at least)... so it may be changes in 4.1.2 I need to work out.16:40
JontheEchidnawow, you can compile kdebindings fast16:40
goatsocksrgreening: while you're poking around in kdelibs5, could you check why the kdelibs5-doc package is missing the API docs?16:41
rgreeningJontheEchidna: not finished yet.. but it's past the point it failed devfil pointed at (at least I think so)16:41
JontheEchidnaah, right16:41
* rgreening pulls out todo list...16:42
devfilghh, it takes me forever to build16:42
devfilI need to buy a new pc16:42
JontheEchidname too16:43
JontheEchidnaSysinfo for 'jonathan-desktop': Linux 2.6.26-5-generic running KDE 4.1.1 (KDE 4.1.1), CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.50GHz at 2500 MHz (5006 bogomips), HD: 103/146GB, RAM: 613/620MB, 148 proc's, 3.31h up16:43
JontheEchidnakde4bindings takes about 4 hours to build here16:44
Riddellrgreening: what did you change?16:45
rgreeningJontheEchidna: 4 hours.. ouch...16:46
rgreeningRiddell: nothing yet. building old 4.1.1 first, to make sure it works there.16:46
goatsocksrgreening: this is the only documentation i get with kdelibs5-doc-4.1.1+really4.1.1-0ubuntu4: http://paste.ubuntu.com/50904/16:47
rgreeningJontheEchidna: I have a 1.67GHz centrino duo (3325.34 bogomips on each core)16:48
* JontheEchidna doesn't really know what bogomips are to tell you the truth16:49
rgreeningkde4bindings failure... just happened on 4.1.1...16:49
goatsocksJontheEchidna: they're imaginary... hence the "bogo" ;)16:49
rgreeningwhich is what I expected16:49
Riddellapachelogger: has someone volunteered to do the amarok 2 beta?16:52
apacheloggerRiddell: nope16:52
apacheloggerRiddell: we would have to sort a mysql issue first anyway16:52
Riddellapachelogger: hmm, what's the issue?16:52
apacheloggerRiddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/50907/16:53
Riddellwell, it might not be a problem, we don't know until we try16:55
apacheloggerRiddell: it at least is on hardy16:57
apacheloggermarkey tried to compile the other day16:57
seeleArtemis_Fowl: 'evening17:07
Artemis_Fowlseele: hi17:07
Riddellvorian: knetworkmanager amd64 now in  deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/network-manager/ubuntu intrepid main17:24
Riddellgoatsocks: ^^17:24
goatsocksok, brb... maybe ;)17:45
goatsocksRiddell: smooth upgrade, didn't even have to remove my existing wireless connection profile18:01
goatsocksRiddell: however, the applet icon is a green globe, isn't it supposed to be blue bars like the gtk one?18:02
goatsocksmight be because my wireless profile was set as system-wide, not per-user18:04
goatsocksincidentally the kde nm config still doesn't have an option to set the profile as system-wide, so you gotta mess with config files (or run the gnome applet heh)18:05
Riddellgoatsocks: it's only a green globe when it isn't connected18:18
* apachelogger finds green globes very sarcastic18:19
goatsocksright, i think it doesn't get a dbus signal because nm connects before the applet starts18:20
apacheloggerthe applet should query nm when it's starting18:21
goatsocksi just removed the system wide profile and the applet detected it and re-established the connection, i have the blue bars now18:21
goatsocksi'll try rebooting and see what it does without the system wide profile now18:23
goatsocksso i rebooted without a system wide nm profile and the applet came up grey as expected... but i had to go into the "New connection... --> wlan0" dialog to see any available APs, because none were listed in the top-level popup menu (in fact the only entry that ever shows up in the top menu is the AP i'm currently connected to...)18:39
goatsocksthe icon seems stuck at 2/4 bars now heh18:40
goatsocks(i'm only 10 feet from my AP)18:40
Riddellgoatsocks: I think that's intentional, only showing the networks you've connected to18:41
goatsocksRiddell: ah ok... that's confusing coming from the gnome applet though18:41
Riddellall new language pack rankings!18:42
Riddellde fr es pt it ru pl zh ja ar nl cs18:42
Riddellde fr es it ru pt zh pl ja nl cs sv18:42
Riddellpoor show from those Arab speakers, go the Swedes18:42
goatsocksanyhow, wireless seems to work great... the status polling apparently still needs work, especially at login... i can restore my system wide nm profile and try logging dbus during startup if you think that'd be useful18:50
RiddellI don't ever know what a system wide nm profile is :)18:50
goatsocksRiddell: well in gnome nm-applet you can set a connection profile to start at system bootup18:52
goatsocksso when the applet starts the connection is almost always already established18:52
goatsocksand when you log out of gnome/kde your connection persists18:52
goatsocksthis of course requires policykit integration18:52
goatsocksbecause the system wide config is written to /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections18:53
Riddelloh, by the client app, not the daemon18:57
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Riddellwell, compiling libmysqld with -DPIC -fpic doesn't seem to help21:55

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