[00:35] <kubotu_> ::members:: Kubuntu Members committed ~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks @ https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks
[01:26] <apachelogger> vorian: ^
[01:26] <vorian> ha
[01:27] <vorian> that is too funny
[01:29] <o0Chris0o> :D
[01:36] <kubotu> ::members:: Kubuntu Members committed ~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks @ https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks
[01:41]  * apachelogger thinks there is a bug
[01:41] <apachelogger> somewhere
[01:42] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it keeps repeating the announcing
[01:43] <JontheEchidna> it announced rev1 a lot
[01:44] <apachelogger> well
[01:44] <apachelogger> ~config list rss
[01:44] <kubotu> rss.show_updated, rss.text_max, rss.thread_sleep, rss.head_max, rss.show_links
[01:45] <apachelogger> ~config show rss.thread_sleep
[01:45] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help config'
[01:45] <apachelogger> ~config get rss.thread_sleep
[01:45] <kubotu> rss.thread_sleep: 60
[01:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: then it would reannounce every 60 seconds I think
[01:46] <apachelogger> though
[01:46] <apachelogger> maybe it's minutes
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> that would sound about right
[01:48] <apachelogger> ~config desc rss.thread_sleep
[01:48] <kubotu> rss.thread_sleep: How many seconds to sleep before checking RSS feeds again
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> guess not
[01:48] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe the issue is @ lp
[01:48] <JontheEchidna> blame it on being closed source :P
[01:50] <apachelogger> well
[01:50] <apachelogger> I am running rbot git so it might very well be a bug as well
[01:51] <vorian> no such thing
[02:27] <o0Chris0o> anything a noob helper can do?
[02:37] <kubotu> ::members:: Kubuntu Members committed ~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks @ https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/pbuilder/pbuilder-hooks
[03:03] <apachelogger> ~rss unwatch members in #kubuntu-devel
[03:03] <kubotu> #kubuntu-devel has been removed from the watchlist for members
[03:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, vorian: there is no difference in feed which would cause that issue
[03:04]  * apachelogger goes to bed
[03:04] <JontheEchidna> nini
[03:09] <vorian> nighty
[05:48] <goatsocks> does kubuntu actually build all available kdeui4 related plugins for qt designer 4? there's a couple of dozen kde widgets in designer's palette but none of the widgets subclassing from KDialog (like KProgressDialog and KConfigDialog) are present and i don't see any other packages i can install (in intrepid) to get them
[09:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: just fyi, kdesudo seems to work nicelly now... still pending in the pipe since the archives are frozen
[09:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: I think that's worth getting in for beta
[09:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you let it in or should I ping someone else ?
[10:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'll let it in
[10:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's the difference
[10:08] <Riddell> just looks like white space and tidying changes
[10:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: the current one ftbfs :)
[10:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: compared to 3.1, fixes 4 bugs
[10:11] <Riddell> ah
[10:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about what to let in, I noticed that okular-extra-backends might be needed for some file formats (like multipages)
[10:12] <Tonio_> by default it can only open the first page of a tiff, which makes me think of a bug
[10:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: the package is super little, so maybe we should consider shiping it by default no ?
[10:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: the package is only 50kB
[10:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: and is already in main...
[10:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: well okular suggests it
[10:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: if it recommends it, then it'll fit on the cd right ? would you agree on that approach ?
[10:16] <Riddell> how much do the dependencies bring in?
[10:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: libtiff4 and that's all afaik
[10:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: ho and also libdjvulibre21
[10:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: both are very little
[10:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: stupid question but how can the package already be in main if it's not seeded ?
[10:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's strange :)
[10:31] <Riddell> either something else in main depends on it#
[10:31] <Riddell> or nothing depends on it and it'll be in component mismatches
[10:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: only okular suggests it and that's all
[10:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: the 3 packages are about 900 kB, which I think is acceptable no ?
[10:32] <Tonio_> all in main, so we just need kubuntu-desktop to recommend okular-extra-backends and that's done...
[10:34] <Riddell> 900kB is another language
[10:34] <Riddell> which is fine with me, I don't speak any other languages
[10:34] <Riddell> add it to the seed if you want
[10:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: :)
[10:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem for me is that it can open tiff files without the package, but support is incomplete, that'll be confusing :)
[10:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: so should I change the seeds on that point ? I can do that now
[10:35] <Tonio_> oups
[10:35] <Tonio_> looks like I have some lag....
[10:35] <Tonio_> let's go
[10:35] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's already in the dvd seed
[10:36] <Riddell> so move to the desktop seed as you wish
[10:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: should I move it ?
[10:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I added it in fact
[10:44] <Tonio_> is dvd including desktop ?
[10:44] <Riddell> yes
[10:45] <Riddell> dvd includes desktop
[10:45] <Tonio_> okay so I'll remove it then
[10:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you want kgrubeditor 0.8.5 for beta ? that's a bugfix release
[10:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: "It should be ultra-stable" according to upstream
[10:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: kubuntu-meta in the pipe ;)
[10:53] <Riddell> Tonio_: throw it up, we'll see if we have time
[10:57] <smarter> Riddell: Kvkbd is almost ready for a 0.6, the only real problem left is that when kdm is themed, apps are not shown at login, it seems to put everything on the background
[10:58] <smarter> I tried to comment random lines of code related to background painting in kdm, but without success
[10:58] <smarter> I'll try to poke a kdm dev
[11:19] <Riddell> smarter: there's only one kdm dev :)
[11:20]  * goatsocks is shocked
[11:22] <smarter> Riddell: okay, I'll ask him then
[11:22] <smarter> hopefully for 4.2/4.3 we have plasma-on-display-manager and Kvkbd will be a plasmoid so that I don't have to use all these hacks
[11:30] <Riddell> it would be a definate candidate for chani's plasmoids on screensaver since it's needed for unlocking
[11:43] <goatsocks> is kde bugz supposed to be fully operational now?
[11:45] <goatsocks> seems like everything i've searched on lately returns from 5 to 20 hits
[12:12] <Riddell> ooh ooh ooh
[12:12] <Riddell> I got a working knetworkmanager
[12:17] <jussi01> Riddell: nice!!
[12:21] <goatsocks> Riddell: knm4?
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: !!!!!!!! veru cool :)
[12:30] <Riddell> goatsocks:
[12:30] <Riddell> goatsocks: no, baby steps
[12:52] <eagles0513875> quick question regarding tar
[12:53] <eagles0513875> im taring / except the /proc and /tmp does tar also include the group passwd and shadow files
[12:58] <goatsocks> eagles0513875: if you're tarring as root, everything will be included unless explicitly excluded
[12:59] <eagles0513875> ok thanks
[12:59] <goatsocks> Riddell: isn't kdelibs5-doc supposed to install the api docs?
[13:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is the knm working for you ? 0.7/kde3 or the WIP kde4 port ?
[13:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'd be interested in testing :)
[13:02] <goatsocks> Tonio_: apparently just kde3 so far :(
[13:03] <goatsocks> but it's good news if it works with nm 0.7
[13:16] <JontheEchidna> yay for power outages
[13:17] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:20] <apachelogger> ~rss watch members in #kubuntu-devel
[13:20] <kubotu> fine
[13:21]  * Hobbsee wonders what that is?
[13:22] <goatsocks> voyeuristic perversion, no doubt ;)
[13:31] <JontheEchidna> Riddell, apachelogger: bug 274673
[13:33] <apachelogger> "It's not because that some people find it "confusing" and "rather useless" that it should be removed (please read the plasma FAQ if so)."
[13:33] <apachelogger> eh?
[13:35] <JontheEchidna> He's arguing that the feature does have use
[14:04] <rgreening> Riddell: removing patch 17 from kdebase-workspace resolves the problem for me (at least haven't reproduced it since). So recommend removing it for now. I'll start ripping the patch apart and see if I can correct the issue.
[14:05] <rgreening> Riddell: I'll fwd you the debdiff for the removal
[14:07] <apachelogger> rgreening: I think jr already removed it
[14:07] <rgreening> Riddell: K-N-M needs an update. Helmut indicates he's updated the API to match NM0.7
[14:08] <rgreening> apachelogger: oh.. really? ok... Then I'll just clean the patch up .. find the problem (hopefully)
[14:08] <rgreening> :P
[14:09] <apachelogger> the problem is that it comes from an advanced branch which didn't get much QA so far :P
[14:11] <rgreening> yep. I believe it :)
[14:12] <rgreening> apachelogger: any suggestions on the best way to update the knetworkmanager SVN srouce so I can build a new test release?
[14:12] <rgreening> Really need ot get this into intrepid asap
[14:13] <Riddell> rgreening: I have NM working here
[14:14] <Riddell> would have packages too except I got distracted by a low memory install
[14:14] <Riddell> will have packages shortly
[14:14] <rgreening> AWESOME
[14:14] <rgreening> I'm so sick of having to run nm-applet (even though it has more features I'd rather help add to KNM)
[14:15] <rgreening> brb
[14:17] <Tm_T> rgreening: btw networkmanager has new features once again by one of my friend, though you might already know this one: LightOM-08
[14:17] <Tm_T> GAH
[14:17] <Tm_T> no, not that one
[14:17] <Tm_T> http://www.kaijanmaki.net/blog/category/kesakoodi/
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: bug 274779, case in point ;-)
[14:21] <rgreening> Tm_T: yeah, got a message from Helmut he updated svn
[14:22] <Tm_T> rgreening: good (:
[14:22] <Tm_T> will talk you later, now ->
[14:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: add a comment to the other
[14:22] <rgreening> Riddell: got a link to src I can dl and play with
[14:22] <apachelogger> proof ftw
[14:22] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I did
[14:22] <apachelogger> okish
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: but how to fix batget?
[14:24]  * Hobbsee read batget as badger, for some reason
[14:24] <rgreening> Riddell: I'll dl the svn for now, but it would be nice to have the tar.gz you are uploading.
[14:29]  * Hobbsee smashes akregator around the head, and chops it up into little bits
[14:30]  * apachelogger likes google reader better :P
[14:30] <Hobbsee> tinytinyrss looks interesting, too.
[14:30]  * JontheEchidna just uses Live Bookmarks in Firefox
[14:30] <Hobbsee> akregator's lost some of my feeds *again*
[14:30] <apachelogger> ewww
[14:30] <apachelogger> firefox
[14:30]  * apachelogger best thing is still rbot
[14:30] <apachelogger> kubotu: right?
[14:31] <apachelogger> hm, not in a talking mood
[14:32] <jussi01> firefox is so screwed atm, whatever that last update i forgot to look at was, it was rubbish...
[14:34] <Hobbsee> what's wrong wiht it?
[14:35] <goatsocks> seele: did you happen to commit an rc fix for Umbrello's default window size along with those others? it comes up in a really tiny window, even smaller than ksysguard
[14:35] <jussi01> sites with javascript suck, some sites dont even open,...
[14:35] <Hobbsee> ahh
[14:35] <Hobbsee> haven't seen that
[14:35] <jussi01> Hobbsee: what have you seen?
[14:36] <Hobbsee> nothing - works as normal.
[14:36] <Hobbsee> afaik, anyway
[14:36] <Hobbsee> . o O { badger badger badger badger MUSHROOM MUSHROOM!!!}
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> ^lol
[14:37] <rgreening> apachelogger: what's the current state of QT Firefox?
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> man, now I've got the song stuck in my head
[14:37] <Hobbsee> JontheEchidna: http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ :)
[14:37] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:37] <eagles0513875> hi Hobbsee
[14:37] <Hobbsee> hey eagles0513875!
[14:38] <goatsocks> rgreening: not usable, the widgets aren't completely ported and UI font rendering is hosed
[14:38] <rgreening> goatsocks: ah. ok...
[14:38] <rgreening> too bad
[14:38] <eagles0513875> does the  ia32-libs come preinstalled with 64bit hardy
[14:38] <Hobbsee> jussi01: as long as the badger song works, it's all good, right?  :)
[14:39] <goatsocks> i hope they keep working on it, there hasn't been any visible progress since they announced it to the world a few weeks ago
[14:39] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: no, it's in universe.
[14:39] <jussi01> Hobbsee: :P yeah
[14:39] <eagles0513875> interesting cuz its saying that its already the latest
[14:39] <Hobbsee> you installed it?
[14:39] <eagles0513875> dont think so i dont have anything installed on here brand new install from last night
[14:39] <Hobbsee> not...flash or somethign?
[14:40] <eagles0513875> only installed firefox boinc and apache sendmail spamassassin clamav bind and dhcp
[14:40] <eagles0513875> let me try again and see now that i have all repos added see if i get same response
[14:40] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: this is not a support channel, anyway.  try #kubuntu
[14:41] <eagles0513875> iknow sry Hobbsee
[14:42] <seele> goatsocks: no, i dont even remember seeing tht in kickoff
[14:42] <goatsocks> rgreening: did you see those screenshots i posted a week or so ago, i themed firefox-qt with a google chrome look? heh
[14:42] <Hobbsee> goatsocks: firefox-qt actually works now?
[14:42] <goatsocks> seele: yeah, umbrello isn't installed by default, but it does get installed with kdesdk
[14:42] <rgreening> yeah. goatsocks. nice
[14:43] <goatsocks> Hobbsee: works, yeah... but just barely ;)
[14:43] <seele> goatsocks: ah, yeah.  i only did default install apps
[14:43] <seele> goatsocks: it's only a quick fix too.. the sizes ought to be all fixed upstream eventually
[14:43] <Hobbsee> goatsocks: interesitng.  that's better than when it didn't finish compiling
[14:43] <jussi01> Hobbsee: did you not see my blogpost?
[14:44] <goatsocks> seele: if you don't mind, i think there was a couple of other apps in kdesdk that have that problem as well ;)
[14:44] <Hobbsee> jussi01: unsure.  both thunderbird and akregator have thrown their toys out of their cot, today
[14:45] <jussi01> Hobbsee: it was a while back...
[14:45] <Hobbsee> jussi01: oh, then maybe i did.
[14:45] <jussi01> Hobbsee: fyi, jussi01.com
[14:45] <Hobbsee> but by that point, i didn'tneed it, iirc :)
[14:46] <goatsocks> seele: nm, i was thinking of KUiViewer, but it's actually supposed to be small... so it's just umbrello afaik
[14:47]  * goatsocks wonders if he should click on that badger link
[14:48] <Hobbsee> goatsocks: yes, you should.  it's not related to my myspace.
[14:49] <goatsocks> if it turns out to be an annoying tune that gets stuck in my head, i'll have you rickrolled! ;)
[14:49] <Hobbsee> better than being turned into a newt, i suppose.
[14:51] <jussi01> "she turned you into a newt?" "I got better..."
[14:51] <Hobbsee> that's the one :)
[14:52] <jussi01> "bring out your dead, bring out your dead..."
[14:52] <jussi01> ok, enough monty python..
[14:52] <Hobbsee> "bloody weather"
[14:54] <rgreening> Riddell: I'm trying to build the latest snv knm.. fail's on openvpn. Does the debuian rules file need to exclude openvpn?
[14:55]  * goatsocks gets acid flashback from the badgers
[15:13] <Riddell> rgreening: no, openvpn was working (at least it didn't fail)
[15:18] <rgreening> Riddel: hmm... svn864988 for me fails on vpnplugin and then openvpnc. Missing header... I disables plugins for now so I could build/test.
[15:18] <rgreening> Riddell: ^
[15:20] <rgreening> Riddell: of course, I did a straight copy of the debian dir into the svn src dir. Did the make -makefile.cvs and then built the tar ball and tried pbuilder
[15:22] <Riddell> I run make -f makefile.cvs before making the .orig
[15:22] <Riddell> havn't tried pbuilder yet
[15:23] <rgreening> the debian dir may need changes. In fact, rules requires a change to the -p -D -m644 knetworkmanager/src/knetworkmanager.desktop line
[15:23] <Riddell> rgreening: http://www.kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/knetworkmanager/network-manager-kde_0.7svn864988-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[15:24] <rgreening> k. dl
[15:24] <rgreening> got a link to proper tar.gz as well
[15:24] <Riddell> same directory
[15:24] <rgreening> kk. getting
[15:24] <rgreening> ty
[15:37] <Riddell> testers needed ^^
[15:38] <Riddell> Tonio_ ^^
[15:39] <vorian> Riddell: ye have amd64? or source for me to build it with?
[15:40] <Riddell> vorian: source is in that directory
[15:40] <vorian> werd
[15:40] <Riddell> oh, hmm, it doesn't build in pbuilder
[15:42] <rgreening> Riddell: no wireless joy for me with latest knm
[15:45] <rgreening> Riddell: hmmm.. I manually recreated the wireless connection, and it now works. weird
[15:45] <Riddell> phew
[15:45] <rgreening> Riddell: gonna try some more tests.
[15:45] <rgreening> :)
[15:45] <rgreening> lol
[15:45] <goatsocks> nm upgrades are really fickle about stored configs
[15:45] <rgreening> gonna reboot. make sure it picks up correct on boot.
[15:46] <rgreening> brb
[15:54]  * rgreening sings "happy-happy-joy-joy"
[15:54] <rgreening> \o/
[15:54] <rgreening> Riddell: knm works for me now
[15:54]  * Hobbsee coats rgreening in glue
[15:54] <rgreening> lol
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> Ren and Stimpy owns
[15:55] <rgreening> yep
[15:55] <rgreening> now, if only knm showed the IP addres associated with each connection somehow...
[15:56]  * rgreening thinks it's time to lok atthe code more closely
[15:57] <rgreening> wonder why left and right click open the same window rather thna have a left click (like nm-applet) show connection info
[15:59] <rgreening> Riddell: does the package reslolveconf work correctly with NM now?
[16:00] <Riddell> dunno, asac probably would
[16:01] <rgreening> here goes then.. installing vpn plugins and will test the resolveconf package (it's a dep on one plugin)
[16:02] <rgreening> brb.. reboot
[16:03] <goatsocks> i'll be happy to test if someone'll put up an amd64 package... i don't have pbuilder set up, and building with debuild wants to make a bunch of nasty changes to my installation
[16:12] <rgreening> Riddell: knm with plugins looks ok on this end now. good stuff
[16:14] <Riddell> rgreening: what sort of plugins?
[16:14] <rgreening> the vpn ones
[16:14] <rgreening> resolveconf seems to work correct
[16:14] <Riddell> lovely
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: the launchpad integration patch breaks kde4bindings
[16:15] <JontheEchidna> causes ftbfs
[16:16] <rgreening> oh no...
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> devfil: do you still have the line showing where the kde4binding fails?
[16:16] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: any idea why?
[16:16] <JontheEchidna> I haven't really looked at it that much
[16:16] <devfil> JontheEchidna: no
[16:16]  * JontheEchidna digs out the irc logs
[16:17] <devfil> JontheEchidna: can you paste it to me when you will find it?
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> [Thu Sep 25 2008] [15:34:42] <devfil>	Riddell: /root/kdebindings-4.1.2/obj-i486-linux-gnu/smoke/kde/x_16.cpp:4416: undefined reference to `KStandardAction::kubuntuGetHelpOnline(QObject const*, char const*, QObject*)'
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> [Thu Sep 25 2008] [15:34:42] <devfil>	collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> [Thu Sep 25 2008] [15:34:57] <devfil>	trying to build kdebindings
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> devfil, rgreening^
[16:18] <devfil> uhm ok
[16:18] <rgreening> hmm... strange
[16:19] <rgreening> some export ref needed?
[16:19] <rgreening> let me look. got src
[16:19] <rgreening> 1 sec
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: if you can get a patch working I'll pass it on to the people doing KDE 4.1.2 packaging
[16:20] <rgreening> kk
[16:20] <rgreening> will 4.1.2 get into Intrepid?
[16:20]  * rgreening hopes
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[16:21] <rgreening> okies. I'll get on it
[16:21] <JontheEchidna> cool, thanks
[16:21] <rgreening> np
[16:25] <rgreening> JontheEchidna/devfil: the error appears related to the 'visibility' of that action. I need to look a little deeper.
[16:25] <devfil> rgreening: I should have a full build log
[16:26] <rgreening> I'm building now... as well
[16:26] <devfil> OK
[16:33] <rgreening> devfil: do you have a link to the tarball for kdelibs5 4.1.2? I'd like to manually patch and ensure the patch is accurate for the new source.
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: I'll pm you
[16:33] <rgreening> kk
[16:34] <devfil> rgreening: thanks for your work on this
[16:34] <rgreening> np. :)
[16:40] <rgreening> devfil/JontheEchidna: seems to compile kdebindings for 4.1.1 fine (so far at least)... so it may be changes in 4.1.2 I need to work out.
[16:40] <JontheEchidna> wow, you can compile kdebindings fast
[16:41] <goatsocks> rgreening: while you're poking around in kdelibs5, could you check why the kdelibs5-doc package is missing the API docs?
[16:41] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: not finished yet.. but it's past the point it failed devfil pointed at (at least I think so)
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> ah, right
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> :P
[16:42]  * rgreening pulls out todo list...
[16:42] <devfil> ghh, it takes me forever to build
[16:42] <devfil> I need to buy a new pc
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> me too
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> Sysinfo for 'jonathan-desktop': Linux 2.6.26-5-generic running KDE 4.1.1 (KDE 4.1.1), CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.50GHz at 2500 MHz (5006 bogomips), HD: 103/146GB, RAM: 613/620MB, 148 proc's, 3.31h up
[16:44] <JontheEchidna> kde4bindings takes about 4 hours to build here
[16:45] <Riddell> rgreening: what did you change?
[16:46] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: 4 hours.. ouch...
[16:46] <rgreening> Riddell: nothing yet. building old 4.1.1 first, to make sure it works there.
[16:47] <goatsocks> rgreening: this is the only documentation i get with kdelibs5-doc-4.1.1+really4.1.1-0ubuntu4: http://paste.ubuntu.com/50904/
[16:48] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I have a 1.67GHz centrino duo (3325.34 bogomips on each core)
[16:49]  * JontheEchidna doesn't really know what bogomips are to tell you the truth
[16:49] <rgreening> kde4bindings failure... just happened on 4.1.1...
[16:49] <goatsocks> JontheEchidna: they're imaginary... hence the "bogo" ;)
[16:49] <rgreening> which is what I expected
[16:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: has someone volunteered to do the amarok 2 beta?
[16:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: nope
[16:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: we would have to sort a mysql issue first anyway
[16:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm, what's the issue?
[16:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/50907/
[16:55] <Riddell> well, it might not be a problem, we don't know until we try
[16:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: it at least is on hardy
[16:57] <apachelogger> markey tried to compile the other day
[16:57] <Riddell> hrm
[17:07] <seele> Artemis_Fowl: 'evening
[17:07] <Artemis_Fowl> seele: hi
[17:24] <Riddell> vorian: knetworkmanager amd64 now in  deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/network-manager/ubuntu intrepid main
[17:24] <Riddell> goatsocks: ^^
[17:45] <goatsocks> ok, brb... maybe ;)
[18:01] <goatsocks> Riddell: smooth upgrade, didn't even have to remove my existing wireless connection profile
[18:02] <goatsocks> Riddell: however, the applet icon is a green globe, isn't it supposed to be blue bars like the gtk one?
[18:04] <goatsocks> might be because my wireless profile was set as system-wide, not per-user
[18:05] <goatsocks> incidentally the kde nm config still doesn't have an option to set the profile as system-wide, so you gotta mess with config files (or run the gnome applet heh)
[18:18] <Riddell> goatsocks: it's only a green globe when it isn't connected
[18:19]  * apachelogger finds green globes very sarcastic
[18:20] <goatsocks> right, i think it doesn't get a dbus signal because nm connects before the applet starts
[18:21] <apachelogger> the applet should query nm when it's starting
[18:21] <goatsocks> i just removed the system wide profile and the applet detected it and re-established the connection, i have the blue bars now
[18:23] <goatsocks> i'll try rebooting and see what it does without the system wide profile now
[18:23] <goatsocks> brb
[18:39] <goatsocks> so i rebooted without a system wide nm profile and the applet came up grey as expected... but i had to go into the "New connection... --> wlan0" dialog to see any available APs, because none were listed in the top-level popup menu (in fact the only entry that ever shows up in the top menu is the AP i'm currently connected to...)
[18:40] <goatsocks> the icon seems stuck at 2/4 bars now heh
[18:40] <goatsocks> (i'm only 10 feet from my AP)
[18:41] <Riddell> goatsocks: I think that's intentional, only showing the networks you've connected to
[18:41] <goatsocks> Riddell: ah ok... that's confusing coming from the gnome applet though
[18:42] <Riddell> all new language pack rankings!
[18:42] <Riddell> was
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[18:42] <Riddell> now
[18:42] <Riddell> de fr es it ru pt zh pl ja nl cs sv
[18:42] <Riddell> poor show from those Arab speakers, go the Swedes
[18:50] <goatsocks> anyhow, wireless seems to work great... the status polling apparently still needs work, especially at login... i can restore my system wide nm profile and try logging dbus during startup if you think that'd be useful
[18:50] <Riddell> I don't ever know what a system wide nm profile is :)
[18:52] <goatsocks> Riddell: well in gnome nm-applet you can set a connection profile to start at system bootup
[18:52] <goatsocks> so when the applet starts the connection is almost always already established
[18:52] <goatsocks> and when you log out of gnome/kde your connection persists
[18:52] <goatsocks> this of course requires policykit integration
[18:53] <Riddell> why?
[18:53] <goatsocks> because the system wide config is written to /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
[18:57] <Riddell> oh, by the client app, not the daemon
[18:57] <goatsocks> yeah
[21:55] <Riddell> well, compiling libmysqld with -DPIC -fpic doesn't seem to help