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acoccjwatson, I've been looking over cdimage and was wondering if you had any experience running the daily cron using another server's pool instead of rsyncing it locally07:27
acocor if that's even possible07:27
acocI'm going to get some sleep, I'll try you tomorrow07:48
davmor2cjwatson: What's the major fail with i386 on the cd builds do you know?09:43
davmor2live only09:45
cjwatsonacoc: it's not possible with debian-cd as it stands10:35
cjwatsondavmor2: more detail please, I just got up10:36
davmor2cjwatson: sorry afk10:46
davmor2I386 desktop doesn't show up here http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/intrepid/ubuntu/20080926/ at all which is why I'm guessing it is using the 23rd image but because it's not showing up I don't know why?  So I'm assuming a major failure of build being as amd64 is there...10:48
davmor2daily alternate seems to be up to date though10:48
cjwatsonlooks like the livefs build machine got stuck on a lock10:51
cjwatsonI've cleaned up antimony's side of it and asked our sysadmins to fix terranova10:52
davmor2cjwatson: Okay cool just throw me when it didn't show up at all :)10:52
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persiacjwatson: StevenK and I were looking at how to add the local installation pool to the ubuntu-mid images, and got a little lost in the debian-cd internals.  Would you be able to provide any guidance?14:01
StevenKI got very lost in debian-cd :-(14:02
cjwatsonpersia: do you have a separate archive already, or do you just want to throw in a few .debs?14:05
cjwatsonerr. I'm not actually sure what you mean, thinking about it14:05
cjwatson"local installation pool"?14:05
StevenKcjwatson: Like pool and dists on the Live CD14:06
persiaOn the live CD, there's a directory /pool/ in the VFAT, containing a local archive snapshot.  We'd like to do the same sort of thing.14:06
StevenKWhere persia says VFAT, he means ISO9660 :-P14:06
persiaIndeed :)14:07
xivulonis there any desire to add mythbuntu or other flavors that provide ubiquity live CD to wubi?14:07
persiaxivulon: I'm interested, but I'm not sure about the timing for the ubuntu-mobile flavour.14:08
xivulonpersia, as we discussed at UDS, I am a big fan of any flavor which can be used as a platform for providing a simplified desktop for young/elderly users14:11
persiaxivulon: There's one big outstanding bug to hit first, but as soon as that gets hit, I'd love to look at how to make it work with wubi.  I don't have any windows though.14:13
xivulondon't need one for that I can provide a script to loopinstall onto another ntfs/ext3 partition for testing purposes, also in vm, (which is my testing rig)14:14
cjwatsonpersia: ok, I'll take a look ...14:15
cjwatsonnow *I'm* lost in build-mobile*.14:15
persiaStevenK: Please provide guidance.14:15
cjwatsonis there any tool to recursively copy a filesystem tree into a vfat image using mtools?14:16
StevenKNot that I've found.14:16
cjwatsonOK, I suppose that could be hacked up with find+xargs14:17
StevenKcjwatson: Ignore build-mobile, it essentially does download-live-filesystems and publishing, build-mobile-img is the script that creates the vfat. I suspect you've already discovered this.14:17
cjwatsonok, um, so. I think the first thing you need to do is to bin build-mobile and integrate its functionality into build-image-set.14:17
cjwatsonbecause you're going to need nearly all of build-image-set anyway in order to make this work14:17
StevenKBut build-image-set scares me14:18
cjwatsonyes. but it's doing the work you need.14:18
cjwatsonyou need the whole sync-an-archive and call ./build_all.sh stuff14:18
cjwatsonnot to mention running germinate14:18
StevenK... We do?14:18
cjwatsonyes, you do14:18
cjwatsonthat's what builds pool/ and dists/, ultimately14:19
StevenKOh, right14:19
cjwatsonotherwise where are you going to get it from?14:19
StevenKWe call build-image-set for the dailies actually, we just drop out early.14:19
cjwatsonwhere's that?14:20
cjwatsonoh dear god14:20
cjwatsonthat's horrible. doesn't count. :)14:20
xivulonpersia, can mid be run as a desktop on standard PCs?14:20
StevenKOh yeah. We use it for setting up mail and then we jump to build-mobile.14:20
persiaxivulon: -mid might be a little funny, but ought work on newer machines.  -mobile *definitely* can run as a desktop on regular PCs.14:21
cjwatsonno, I meant using it properly14:21
cjwatsonbuild-mobile isn't really all that different - you should just need to set IMAGE_TYPE=mobile or something and then key off that14:21
StevenKcjwatson: Hm. Maybe I shouldn't have pointed that out. :-)14:21
cjwatsonand you've already got $PROJECT set14:22
xivulonpersia: looks intersting will play with that in coming days14:22
xivulonsuperm1: what are your thoughts to have mythbuntu in wubi?14:22
cjwatsonso you can make run-germinate check that to decide which seed collections to use, and germinate-to-tasks can pick out the right seeds from that and select the right set of packages14:22
persiaxivulon: Thanks.  Please let me know if you need anything.14:23
StevenKcjwatson: But it looks like all of the heavy lifting is done in build_all.sh, which is ... odd code14:23
cjwatsonoh, and list-seeds would need to spit out the right set of top-level seeds14:23
cjwatsonStevenK: don't worry about build_all.sh for now14:23
xivulonps is there any plan to do a livecd for gobuntu?14:23
cjwatsonactually, it will largely just do what you tell it14:23
cjwatsonxivulon: no, we aren't building Gobuntu any more14:23
StevenKcjwatson: From my reading of it, it eats small children.14:23
cjwatsonStevenK: honestly, most of cdimage is dedicated to setting up debian-cd so that you can just point it in the right direction and say "eat that *very specific* small child over there"14:24
cjwatsonyou are going to have to use it if you want pool/ and dists/14:24
cjwatsonotherwise you'll have to reinvent it14:24
xivuloncjwatson: thx had missed that, didn't notice the "Free Software Only" option (also because I am mostly in automatic mode)14:25
StevenKcjwatson: So, I can see where you're going, I can leave CDIMAGE_LIVE set and have download-live-filesystems run. Maybe then I have a check for CDIMAGE_MOBILE and run build-mobile-img14:25
cjwatsonright, that's sort of what I was thinking14:26
persiaAnd as a bonus, we can have proper tracking of preseed files with debian-cd.14:26
cjwatsonI never liked build-mobile being a separate script anyway :)14:26
StevenKSo I'm probably going to have to set IMAGE_TYPE, which I've sort of ignored up till now14:28
StevenKcjwatson: Mind you, I like the new build-mobile a lot more than the old one14:31
superm1xivulon, they would have to be dedicating a significant amount of space to do so14:32
superm1xivulon, for recordings and such14:32
superm1i think if the frontend only mode were activated however, its doable14:32
superm1and quite interesting then14:32
cjwatsonStevenK: I think you ought to. IMAGE_TYPE defines the "form factor" of the image, and should be used when you're creating a different type of object - d-i CD vs. live CD vs. DVD vs. VFAT mobile image14:33
cjwatsonPROJECT is supposed to control the contents of the image (list of packages it contains, preseed files, particular live filesystem to fetch, etc.)14:34
StevenKcjwatson: Yes, I'm guessing I'm also going to have to either do strange things to cron.daily-live or write cron.daily-mobile14:34
cjwatsoncron.daily-mobile would be fine14:34
cjwatsonthe cron.* scripts are all just thin wrappers to encapsulate setting environment variables and stuff14:34
xivulonsuperm1 would anything prevent users from storing stuff on ntfs directly?14:34
xivulonusers can allocate a "normal size" (~10GB) but still access rw all of the host disk (/host)14:35
superm1xivulon, performance would be questionable i think14:35
superm1xivulon, but otherwise i suppose not..14:35
xivulonhmm /host access is native ntfs no loopfile involved14:36
StevenKcjwatson: Right, so aside from looking at how publish-daily works (meaning publish-mobile dies too), I need to do what to ./build_all.sh ?14:36
superm1xivulon, well at least implementing the frontend only portion would be more feasible to start and see how that goes14:37
superm1xivulon, additional questions would have to be asked once ubiquity took over though or asked during wubi14:37
xivulonsuperm1: the options are a) we preseed those questions, b) we show them in wubi interface (unlikely and certainly not in intrepid), c) we ask them after reboot (not nice)14:39
superm1xivulon, well at this point there are a few that are "critical" to be asked -14:40
xivulonIt would be possible to show a few profiles in wubi and preseed from there14:40
superm1xivulon, the ones i'm referring to tell the machine the user/pass of the backend it connects to14:41
superm1and the hostname/database14:41
superm1i think it'd be fine to just ask them after reboot during --automatic mode though14:42
xivulonI'd guess it might be passable to leave that blank and have a dialog after rebooting14:42
superm1xivulon, let me find the preseed that i was using for enabling --automatic this summer14:42
xivulonWe could have one profile for frontend only and one frontend + backend14:43
xivulonevand/cjwatson any view on the above?14:43
superm1yeah, develop frontend first and then frontend+backend after proving frontend first works14:43
xivulonfor me it is only a matter of changing the configuration file, and add a new preseed template14:44
xivulonthere should be no change in code14:44
superm1well in theory it should just "work" w/ the ubiquity changes i did this summer too14:44
superm1so if you can throw something together, i'll throw a windows vm together and give it a shot14:45
superm1so that should be all the possible questions that get asked14:45
cjwatsonStevenK: you should do nothing at all to build_all.sh itself. Leave it alone.14:45
superm1xivulon, so of the mythbuntu specific ones, would need to preseed the advanced_install, install_type, and the mythbuntu summary page14:46
xivuloncool will play with that today, will try to setup a backend first (yesterday attempts failed as my only desktop has only tv out which did not work...)14:46
superm1the rest would be optional14:46
cjwatsonStevenK: the only things you should need to edit are tools/boot/intrepid/boot-* (either to make the image bootable in whatever's the appropriate way, or to skip it and let build-mobile-img do it), tools/add_live_filesystems (to add mobile instead), and perhaps preseed files in data/intrepid/preseed/14:46
superm1xivulon, oh the proprietary driver installation stuff is fixed in ubiquity trunk, but broken in our alpha6 disk14:47
superm1if that's where things went wrong14:47
superm1(if you didnt see it during install, that's a different problem)14:47
xivulonyep I thought that was the issue, it's an nvidia video with tv out14:47
cjwatsonxivulon: I have too much to do the week before beta to help with adding new features which should have landed several weeks ago in order to be ready for 8.10 ...14:47
superm1xivulon, if this just "works" without too much effort, then i'm for it and will get some people on my team to help test it, but if we run into a handful of problems, lets defer to jaunty okay?14:48
xivuloncjwatson I appreciate that, but as mentioned this should only involve a change of configuration files, and we would go through the feature freeze exception approval anyway14:49
xivulonsuperm1 that is what I had in mind14:49
persiaxivulon: Don't do an FFe just on account of ubuntu-mobile support.  Many of the target devices come with linux anyway.14:49
cjwatsonxivulon: superm1 is much better placed to figure out what to do with mythbuntu than I am. I'd have to educate myself about it all from scratch14:49
StevenKcjwatson: build-mobile-img already deals with preseed files14:50
superm1cjwatson, yeah i'll work with xivulon to look at this14:50
cjwatsonStevenK: ideally, those ought to move into data/intrepid/preseed/, IMO14:50
cjwatsonthe way it is now is just really awkward NIHJ14:50
cjwatsonI can understand why you did it that way, but if you're reengineering things anyway, might as well bring it into sync14:51
StevenKI did it that way because build-image-set and friends made me go "OMG, my head is exploding"14:51
persiaStevenK: I'd rather have the preseed files live someone accessible.14:51
StevenKcjwatson: So if build_all.sh is going to build the filesystem, what needs to be changed so it knows how?14:52
cjwatsonI suspect making it actually build the entire filesystem is a little optimistic for now. However, you could make it build the filesystem tree and then bundle that into VFAT in build-mobile-img14:53
StevenKThat works14:53
cjwatsonedit the bin-images target in debian-cd/Makefile, and stick an extra case at the top of the if [ "$(DOJIGDO)" = "0" ] block to cover the "don't build an ISO at all" case14:55
* StevenK is currently trying to determine where the checkout of debian-cd lives14:56
cjwatsonBTW, what are you planning to put in pool/?14:56
StevenKI was hoping persia could tell me.14:57
* StevenK is also thinking that IMAGE_TYPE=mobile doesn't appeal14:57
StevenKSince that turns up in the published path14:57
persiaI wanted to put in the DKMS-enablement stuff and some alternate networking for people with devices where the network didn't work out of the box (like mine).14:58
cjwatsonpublished path?14:58
StevenKcjwatson: http://cdimage.u.c/....14:58
cjwatsonoh, just special-case publishing *shrug*14:58
cjwatsonthe primary purpose of IMAGE_TYPE is to control form factor; publishing URLs are secondary and it's OK to special-case those14:59
StevenKOh my god, my eyes.15:00
StevenKWho wrote this?15:01
StevenKOh, Raphaƫl. That explains so much15:01
cjwatsonerr, yeah, don't look at the Makefile too hard15:01
cjwatsonvarious people have had a go at rewriting bits, and I think it's more sane in Debian now, but I can't face the merge15:01
StevenKcjwatson: I think you'd need to be *completly* smashed to start it ...15:02
superm1persia, if these are "extra" modules that don't conflict with anything, it shouldnt be too late to add them to the kernel though i'd think?15:04
cjwatsonI haven't been that drunk for some time15:04
StevenKcjwatson: Reminds me of code at $OLD_WORK. "# eyes closed now. <40 lines or so of evil TeX> # okay, you can open your eyes. If you can read this, you were cheating!"15:04
* StevenK re-reads cjwatson's comment, trying to apply it to the code15:05
persiasuperm1: For modules, I'm working with kernel devs, but I'm thinking of the same stuff that comes from the ship-live seed.15:05
superm1persia, so these would be NEW packages then?15:06
cjwatsonpersia: right, this is the sort of thing that the live CD does15:06
StevenKcjwatson: I'm guessing I want ifeq ($(CDIMAGE_MOBILE),1) and else and endif around that block, but that breaks the like 50 lines that are \'d15:07
cjwatsonso the live CD is a sensible model15:07
cjwatsonStevenK: no, use if in shell15:07
cjwatsonif [ "$(CDIMAGE_MOBILE)" = 1 ]; then ...15:07
persiasuperm1: No.  Just existing packages on the CD.  For the modules, I've been told that it's just a matter of understanding why they aren't loaded.15:07
StevenKcjwatson: If I have to follow the coding style, I may claw my eyes out in sheer self-defense. :-P15:08
StevenKI want else; \ or else \ ?15:09
StevenKI hardly ever collapse if's to one-line15:09
cjwatsonok, you can stop going on about how awful everything is now. :)15:11
cjwatsonif [ ... ]; then \15:11
cjwatson        ...15:11
cjwatsonelif [ ... ]; then \15:11
StevenKcjwatson: So, in that bit, I want to make my filesystem tree under $(BDIR)/CD$$n ?15:12
cjwatsonerr, I think you misunderstood me15:12
cjwatsondebian-cd will make the filesystem tree under $(BDIR)/CD$$n15:12
cjwatsonin bin-images, you just have to arrange *not* to call mkisofs - you don't have to build anything15:12
acoccjwatson, do you happen to know about how much space would be required for a single dist pool sync15:16
cjwatsonacoc: for which components and which architectures?15:17
acocfor i386 and sorry what were components again15:17
cjwatsonmain, restricted, universe, multiverse15:18
acocjust main15:18
StevenKcjwatson: Oh, right15:18
StevenKcjwatson: Do I also want the $(jidgo_cleanup) bit?15:19
cjwatsonStevenK: yeah, you might need to guard that too15:20
cjwatsonI can't remember, check what the called script does15:21
cjwatsonacoc: a bit over 6GB15:22
acoccjwatson: oh yeah that's not bad at all thanks15:22
StevenKcjwatson: Meh, it's dealing with .jigdo, don't care15:23
StevenKcjwatson: Is there anything I need to do in that Makefile?15:32
StevenKEr. Anything *else*15:33
cjwatsonnot that I can think of right now, but consider this an iterative process ;-)15:35
* StevenK grins15:35
StevenKpreseed file added, too15:36
persiaspeaking of iterative processes, I've added branches for bugs 274781 and 274785, if there's any chance of a review.  This is more lpia bits for grub-installer and ubiquity.15:36
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kirklandevand: hiya, i tried usb-creator, and it doesn't appear to be working for me16:37
cjwatsonpersia: you don't seem to have pushed to the branch for 274781 properly16:37
kirklandevand: i should be able to point kvm to it, and test it that way, right?16:37
evandkirkland: Did it crash or is it just not booting?16:37
kirklandevand: not booting16:37
kirklandevand: i got the install to succeed16:38
cjwatsonkirkland: server CD?16:38
kirklandcjwatson: no, kubuntu-desktop-amd6416:38
evandkirkland: That;s probably my recently discovered bug of it not properly setting the boot flag.16:38
cjwatsonok, I'll shut up :)16:38
kirklandevand: i was just about to try and change that in fdisk16:38
evandkirkland: fdisk /dev/whatever, a, partition number, w; done16:38
kirklandevand: thought i'd ask first16:38
kirklandevand: yeah, i just wanted to check16:38
persiacjwatson: Sorry.  repushing now/16:38
kirklandcjwatson: :-)  i suppose i should test the server16:39
evandSpeaking of which, anyone know a reliable way of dermining the partition number that a block device represents, given the knowledge of it and its parent?16:39
kirklandi'm just not a kubuntu user, but i wanted to see what all the kde4 hype was about16:39
cjwatsonkirkland: won't work yet, bug 23418516:39
cjwatsonevand: /sys/block?16:39
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kirklandevand: cool, that fixed it (bootable partition)16:40
kirklandevand: very nice16:40
evandcjwatson: can you be more specific?  I thought the device's minor number corresponded to the partition number, but apparently I'm very wrong.16:42
cjwatsonit should do, sure. I'm not sure I understood your question16:42
evandI need to be able to pass parted a partition number to mark as bootable, but the utility works in device nodes, so I need to go from "/dev/sdb1" to "1".16:44
evandI could take the difference of /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1, given the knowledge of both of them, but that seems hackish.16:45
cjwatsonsee how grub-installer does it16:45
cjwatsonit is hackish :-)16:45
evandah, good point.  Will do16:45
cjwatsonor, hang on16:45
cjwatsonhmm, no, /sys/block doesn't have it16:46
cjwatsonyou pretty much just have to subtract the parent device name, but note that some devices use a leading "p" before the partition number16:46
cjwatsonevand: lilo-installer might involve less bonkers code to copy from16:47
evandwow that's a lot of sed16:47
cjwatsonbut if you are using grub-installer, it's the make_active_partition function16:48
evandok, thanks16:48
cjwatsonevand: are you going to be able to fix the grey partition thing by beta?16:50
cjwatsonI was hoping to do an upload today assuming I can fix 18200416:50
evandcjwatson: I'm not sure I can fix it by end of business today, but I can surely have it done by the end of the weekend.16:51
cjwatsonis it just a change of some constant somewhere?16:51
evandoh, sorry, I'm mixing bugs.16:51
evandThat I can fix quickly16:51
evandand yes, it is16:51
cjwatsonok, cool16:51
evandon it now16:51
evand(thought you were talking about the rendering issues previously)16:52
cjwatsonah, no16:52
persiaWhich is the rendering bug?16:53
evandfrom https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/271512 and possibly others16:57
persiaOh good.  That was one of the more minor things on my list, and I was hoping it wasn't -mid specific.  Thanks for the reference.16:58
kirklandevand: okay, now i'm trying to boot from the usb stick on real hardware, and i'm stuck at the SYSLINUX bootloader boot: prompt17:04
cjwatsonwhat happens if you press enter?17:05
kirklandCould not find kernel image: linux17:05
kirklandi've dorked around with bios, trying to rearrange the drives17:05
kirklandi suspect it's booting off of one drive, looking for a kernel on another?17:05
persiacjwatson: LP doesn't seem to want to display the branch despite a refresh.  I've attached a diff to 27478117:06
persiaDifferences between syslinux.cfg and isolinux.cfg ?17:07
CIA-50grub-installer: cjwatson * r747 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog debian/control grub-installer): Add support for lpia (LP: #274781)17:10
evandkirkland: hrm, I cannot reproduce this.  Are /syslinux and /syslinux.cfg present on the root of the disk?17:10
kirklandevand: yes, and yes17:11
kirklandevand: i strongly suspect something funny in my bios17:11
kirklandevand: unfortunately, i overwrote the working DSL i had installed on this device :-)17:11
evandkirkland: Could you try running usb-creator with -s?17:13
kirklandevand: sure, i'll dork around with it a bit more17:13
CIA-50ubiquity: evand * r2851 ubiquity/ (aclocal.m4 configure configure.ac): Bump to 1.9.2017:19
cjwatsonmaybe 1.10.0 since we're approaching beta? (historically I bumped minor just before beta)17:20
evandah, will do17:20
CIA-50ubiquity: evand * r2852 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): Bump to 1.10.017:21
CIA-50ubiquity: evand * r2853 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py):17:23
CIA-50ubiquity: Use a normal color for the partition bar when use entire disk is17:23
CIA-50ubiquity: selected (LP: #273271).17:23
evandHooray, usb-creator is in main.17:23
StevenKevand: That can be fixed :-P17:26
cjwatsonevand: ooh17:28
* evand will be quite happy when bug 232429 is fixed (auto marking fix committed).17:32
cjwatsonthat's more about projects than source packages, I think, though I added a comment about the latter17:38
evandah, thanks17:40
CIA-50tasksel: cjwatson * r1374 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog ubuntu-seeds.pl):17:52
CIA-50tasksel: Work around a bug when checking out ubuntustudio seeds into a17:52
CIA-50tasksel: repository.17:52
CIA-50ubiquity: cjwatson * r2854 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/components/partman.py):17:59
CIA-50ubiquity: Don't mark partman questions as seen when we expect them to be asked17:59
CIA-50ubiquity: again (LP: #182004).17:59
CIA-50ubiquity: cjwatson * r2855 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog gui/glade/ubiquity.glade): Set GtkAdjustment page_size to zero in Glade files too.18:03
CIA-50tasksel: cjwatson * r1375 ubuntu/ (5 files in 3 dirs):18:05
CIA-50tasksel: * Build mobile-* tasks.18:05
CIA-50tasksel: * Update Ubuntu tasks from seeds, adding mobile-mid, mobile-mobile (ahem),18:05
CIA-50tasksel:  and virt-host tasks.18:05
CIA-50tasksel: cjwatson * r1376 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.73ubuntu918:06
CIA-50ubiquity: cjwatson * r2856 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py): merge from lp:~persia/ubiquity/lpia-grub18:16
cjwatsonpersia: BTW if you use debcommit then bzr will know about the bug-fix metadata18:17
persiacjwatson: Thank you.  That ought sort everything for the -mid installs.18:17
persiaOh.  That saves the frustratingly annoying duplicate typing.  Thank you.18:18
cjwatsonevand: (feel free to upload ubiquity at some point, I'm done for today and probably happy with it for beta)19:04
evandcjwatson: noted, will do19:04

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