| hokmen | yeah, finally i arrive here. - hokmen chan | 00:04 |
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| hokmen | i think the firefox(about:config section) can be completed as you wish to. since the hash functions upgraded | 00:05 |
| hokmen | we all know when the spams easier to be stopped since the sep15 openssl and gnu version upgrade. | 00:06 |
| hokmen | networking from argo | 00:07 |
| hokmen | bye | 00:07 |
| hokmen | 886 | 00:07 |
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| Ziroday | @schedule singapore | 13:29 |
| ubottu | Schedule for Asia/Singapore: 26 Sep 23:00: Ubuntu Release | 29 Sep 12:00: Arizona LoCo IRC | 30 Sep 23:00: Server Team | 01 Oct 03:00: LoCo Council | 02 Oct 01:00: QA Team | 02 Oct 06:00: Platform Team | 13:29 |
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| freeflying | @schedule shanghai | 14:36 |
| ubottu | Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: 26 Sep 23:00: Ubuntu Release | 29 Sep 12:00: Arizona LoCo IRC | 30 Sep 23:00: Server Team | 01 Oct 03:00: LoCo Council | 02 Oct 01:00: QA Team | 02 Oct 06:00: Platform Team | 14:36 |
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| === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Ubuntu Release Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 29 Sep 04:00: Arizona LoCo IRC | 30 Sep 15:00: Server Team | 30 Sep 19:00: LoCo Council | 01 Oct 17:00: QA Team | 01 Oct 22:00: Platform Team | ||
| pitti | hi | 15:58 |
| bdmurray | pitti: hi | 15:58 |
| * Hobbsee drive-by waves | 15:58 | |
| sbeattie | hey | 15:59 |
| slangasek | morning | 16:01 |
| dendrobates | hiho. | 16:01 |
| cjwatson | hi | 16:01 |
| kwwii | hi | 16:01 |
| lool | Heya | 16:03 |
| pitti | argh, my keyboard just went crazy; I need to reboot, back in 3 | 16:04 |
| slangasek | mdz, davidm, Riddell: ping? | 16:04 |
| Riddell | hi | 16:04 |
| slangasek | hiya | 16:05 |
| davidm | sladen, I'm here and lool is the mobile expert :-) | 16:05 |
| slangasek | Henrik is on holiday, it appears | 16:05 |
| davidm | slangasek, that is | 16:05 |
| ogra | davidm, sladen will be pleased to hear that *g* | 16:05 |
| davidm | got to watch the tab completions. | 16:05 |
| ogra | yeah, i'm catching that special one as well all the time | 16:06 |
| * ogra wants that vor<tab> extends to slangasek :P | 16:06 | |
| slangasek | I imagine there are scripts for that :) | 16:06 |
| ogra | heh | 16:06 |
| slangasek | ok, quorum; let's get started | 16:07 |
| slangasek | #startmeeting | 16:07 |
| MootBot | slangasek, There is already a meeting in progress. | 16:07 |
| slangasek | um what | 16:07 |
| Hobbsee | #endmeeting | 16:07 |
| Hobbsee | #end meeting | 16:07 |
| Hobbsee | hmm | 16:07 |
| slangasek | sigh | 16:07 |
| slangasek | ok, moving on without the bot | 16:07 |
| cjwatson | Keybuk: the last #startmeeting was yours; please end it | 16:08 |
| slangasek | sbeattie: as heno is not here, would you like to give us a brief run-down on QA's status? (if you're comfortable doing so) | 16:08 |
| sbeattie | Sure | 16:08 |
| Keybuk | #endmeeting | 16:08 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:08. | 16:08 |
| Keybuk | :) | 16:08 |
| slangasek | #startmeeting | 16:08 |
| ogra | was that running since yesterday ? | 16:08 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:08. The chair is slangasek. | 16:08 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:08 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] QA Team | 16:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: QA Team | 16:09 |
| slangasek | ogra: yes :) | 16:09 |
| sbeattie | Some bugs we'd like to see some movement on: | 16:09 |
| ogra | heh, long log then :) | 16:09 |
| sbeattie | * bug 258743 NM 0.7 Fails To Set Custom MTU/static IP configs not persistent | 16:09 |
| sbeattie | * bug 273833 v86d missing from initramfs | 16:09 |
| sbeattie | * bug 258432 Intrepid live cd drops to busybox, needs more time to find CD livefs | 16:09 |
| sbeattie | * bug 271550 ia32-libs missing libQtDbus/breaks skype (universe package) | 16:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 258743 in network-manager "NM 0.7 Fails To Set Custom MTU" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/258743 | 16:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 273833 in v86d "v86d missing from initramfs" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/273833 | 16:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 258432 in casper "Intrepid 4 live cd drops to busybox, needs more time to find CD livefs" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/258432 | 16:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 271550 in ia32-libs "ia32-libs missing libQtDBus, others?" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271550 | 16:09 |
| slangasek | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2008-09-26 | 16:09 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2008-09-26 | 16:09 |
| slangasek | (link to the agenda) | 16:09 |
| sbeattie | slangasek: last successful Live CD build was 20080923 | 16:10 |
| slangasek | well, I believe there was a successful Live CD build today | 16:10 |
| pitti | re (sorry, hardware sucks) | 16:10 |
| slangasek | just grossly oversized and requiring investigation :) | 16:10 |
| sbeattie | slangasek: ah, just built within last 4 hours | 16:11 |
| slangasek | [LINK https://launchpad.net/bugs/258743 | 16:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 258743 in network-manager "NM 0.7 Fails To Set Custom MTU" [Unknown,Confirmed] | 16:11 |
| slangasek | meh | 16:11 |
| slangasek | [LINK] https://launchpad.net/bugs/258743 | 16:11 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://launchpad.net/bugs/258743 | 16:11 |
| slangasek | [LINK] https://launchpad.net/bugs/273833 | 16:11 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://launchpad.net/bugs/273833 | 16:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 273833 in v86d "v86d missing from initramfs" [High,Triaged] | 16:11 |
| slangasek | [LINK] https://launchpad.net/bugs/258432 | 16:12 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://launchpad.net/bugs/258432 | 16:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 258432 in casper "Intrepid 4 live cd drops to busybox, needs more time to find CD livefs" [High,Confirmed] | 16:12 |
| slangasek | [LINK] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271550 | 16:12 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://launchpad.net/bugs/271550 | 16:12 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 271550 in ia32-libs "ia32-libs missing libQtDBus, others?" [Critical,Confirmed] | 16:12 |
| sbeattie | we're making progress on the automated cert testing, 18 machines successfully installed the alpha 6 alt cd this week | 16:12 |
| cjwatson | 258432 is open in my browser but I haven't had a chance to prod it yet :-/ | 16:13 |
| slangasek | none of the above bugs showed up on my milestone list earlier; do you think they should all be blockers for beta? (I'm skeptical of this myself) | 16:13 |
| pitti | sbeattie: with alternate and preseeding, or the desktop and some automatic clicking? | 16:13 |
| cjwatson | I think 273833 needs a decision from the kernel team on what to do? | 16:13 |
| cjwatson | since last I heard was that it was OK for v86d to be missing | 16:13 |
| pitti | is v86d really missing? rtg told me it really shouldn't be isntalled at all? | 16:13 |
| cjwatson | right, that's what I heard | 16:13 |
| cjwatson | the syslog noise is annoying though | 16:14 |
| pgraner | slangasek: Sorry I'm late, call ran over | 16:14 |
| sbeattie | Mmm, I hit v86d missing on an attempt to use the livecd from 20080923. | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | right, you're seeing the log messages, but they aren't fatal | 16:15 |
| slangasek | pgraner: understood :) | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | any fatal problem is something else ... | 16:15 |
| pgraner | BenC: can you comment on LP #273833? | 16:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 273833 in v86d "v86d missing from initramfs" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/273833 | 16:15 |
| sbeattie | cjwatson: I think bug 246269 is the fatal issue | 16:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 246269 in linux-meta "Switched from vesafb to uvesafb, but uvesafb can't work without v86d" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/246269 | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | anyway, we should discuss the specifics on #-devel | 16:15 |
| lool | :win 10 | 16:15 |
| lool | Ups | 16:15 |
| bdmurray | right, I wasn't sure how the two were related | 16:15 |
| slangasek | [ACTION] follow-up discussion about bug 273833 on #ubuntu-devel | 16:16 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: follow-up discussion about bug 273833 on #ubuntu-devel | 16:16 |
| BenC | pgraner: Um...if it's not in initramfs it's because it isn't installed | 16:16 |
| sbeattie | pitti: alternate with preseeding | 16:16 |
| slangasek | sbeattie: 258743 is marked regression-potential, but it's rather opaque who has set this tag and on what basis... this is known to have worked before? | 16:17 |
| sbeattie | slangasek: hmm, probably not. we've had some exuberant regression tagging, sorry for the noise on that.. | 16:18 |
| slangasek | sbeattie: well, if it's not a regression, I think the priority goes way down on that one; what do you think? | 16:18 |
| slangasek | [ACTION] slangasek to follow up with \sh on bug #271550, to find out where libqt went | 16:20 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: slangasek to follow up with \sh on bug #271550, to find out where libqt went | 16:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 271550 in ia32-libs "ia32-libs missing libQtDBus, others?" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271550 | 16:20 |
| cjwatson | [we're running over ...] | 16:20 |
| sbeattie | slangasek: I agree | 16:21 |
| sbeattie | We held a test day with good turnout, we'll hold another on Oct 6 | 16:21 |
| sbeattie | I think that's we have, bdmurray? | 16:21 |
| sbeattie | err, that's all | 16:21 |
| bdmurray | sbeattie: that's it | 16:22 |
| slangasek | ok, thanks guys | 16:22 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Desktop Team | 16:22 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Desktop Team | 16:22 |
| slangasek | pitti: hi | 16:22 |
| pitti | Status of desktop specifications: | 16:23 |
| pitti | all implemented (2 are deferred due to needing upstream work), so there will not be any changes any more on that front | 16:23 |
| pitti | any questions on the spec front? if not, I'll go on | 16:23 |
| cjwatson | keep going, we can ask questions at the end if need be | 16:23 |
| pitti | Bugs from Steve's list: | 16:23 |
| pitti | * #259278 (knetworkmanager doesn't work with NM 0.7): Jonathan uploaded fix to network-manager PPA, will be tested over weekend and land on Monday if all goes well | 16:23 |
| cjwatson | (or in the middle or whatever ...) | 16:23 |
| pitti | * #269500 (misaligned options in Log Out dialog), #269504 (wrong 'suspend' icon in shutdown dialog): Ken just created new icons and sent the update to Seb, who will sponsor it today | 16:23 |
| pitti | * #274140 (fast-user-switch-applet shows wrong suspend/hibernate options): it currently seems to guesstimate, instead it should ask g-power-mgr over dbus what options are available; bug is well understood, and Ted is on it; ETA today | 16:23 |
| pitti | * #274146 (too many logout applets on upgrade): IMHO there is *no* correct way to get this right on upgrades; users will need to remove the one they don't like manually, and we can release-note the issue; discussion started in the bug, but I don't expect this to be fixed by beta, or even final. | 16:23 |
| pitti | * #262228 (guest user can lock themselves out): I have the fix halfway ready, ETA today or at most Monday | 16:23 |
| pitti | * #274303 (warning users on upgrade that non-free X drivers aren't compatible): Michael is currently doing fi | 16:23 |
| pitti | nal testing on the fix, ETA today | 16:23 |
| pitti | * #260242 ("report a bug" doesn't work): Fixed with this morning's apport upload | 16:23 |
| pitti | Other bugs we lifted to beta critical: | 16:24 |
| pitti | * #258083 (photo import broken for libgphoto digicams): I fixed the underpinnings in fuse yesterday, now we need to teach f-spot --import to accept a ~/.gvfs/<fuse mount> path; shouldn't be too hard, Seb or I will nail it down Monday, at most Tuesday | 16:24 |
| slangasek | [ACTION] slangasek to open release-notes task for bug #274146 | 16:24 |
| pitti | so in summary I think the bug front is under control, albeit last-minute work as always | 16:24 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: slangasek to open release-notes task for bug #274146 | 16:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 274146 in gnome-session "Has not yet replaced the existing log out applet" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/274146 | 16:24 |
| pitti | Future issues which might impact the release: | 16:25 |
| pitti | * #274085 (update Ekiga to 3.00): the "Abiword 2.6 plz" bug of intrepid, came up a few days ago; currently leaning towards "no", but if somebody picks it up and will care about providing packages with a working upgrade path and will care about regression reports, I'd be willing to bless it | 16:25 |
| pitti | ^ for that, since there seems to be a PPA of the package, maybe that guy will pick it up (haven't checked yet whether he's upstream) | 16:25 |
| slangasek | yes, great to see this aggressive set of bugs milestoned for beta - better for beta than final :) | 16:25 |
| pitti | right | 16:26 |
| slangasek | the ekiga ppa is from an upstream, yes | 16:26 |
| slangasek | we can talk about ekiga out-of-band, I think | 16:26 |
| Riddell | bug 273489 is important, will there be a language-pack upload before beta? | 16:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 273489 in rosetta "Remaining Intrepid template approvals" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/273489 | 16:26 |
| pitti | given our current workload, we won't have time to bring that in for beta, though | 16:26 |
| lool | Yeah, please note that the packaging differs significantly and the package name are a pain | 16:26 |
| lool | (for ekiga) | 16:27 |
| pitti | Riddell: there are constant automatic langpakc uploads, at least they are supposed to happen twice a week | 16:27 |
| Riddell | that doesn't necessarily answer my question :) | 16:27 |
| pitti | slangasek: but good point, we should get a fresh -base upload to minimize their size; I'll talk to Arne | 16:27 |
| pitti | Riddell: ^ | 16:27 |
| slangasek | [ACTION] pitti to discuss a fresh langpack -base upload with Arne, related to bug #273489 | 16:28 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: pitti to discuss a fresh langpack -base upload with Arne, related to bug #273489 | 16:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 273489 in rosetta "Remaining Intrepid template approvals" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/273489 | 16:28 |
| pitti | Riddell: well, if it's not fixed in intrepid, then there's a bug in langpack-o-matic's cronjobs or rosetta itself; can we discuss this in #devel? I wasn't aware of that so far | 16:28 |
| slangasek | anything else before we shuffle along? | 16:28 |
| pgraner | Web cam support broke | 16:28 |
| pitti | not from my side | 16:28 |
| pitti | pgraner: ah, because we are using hte upstream driver now which threw out all the color codec stuff? is it that? | 16:28 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Mobile Team | 16:28 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Mobile Team | 16:28 |
| slangasek | lool: hi | 16:28 |
| lool | pgraner: quickcam? | 16:28 |
| lool | pgraner: got that too | 16:28 |
| pgraner | pitti: yep https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/267522 | 16:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 267522 in linux "webcams stop working with 2.6.27" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:29 |
| lool | Heavy copy-pasting planned | 16:29 |
| lool | Stuff we will likely drop for intrepid: | 16:29 |
| lool | * poulsbo drivers; Intel said they'd provide a code drop for intrepid in ... January; unlikely to be suitable for intrepid-updates as well; need to drop psb from xserver-xorg-video-all for now as it gets used automatically and we don't want that, but we want to keep the package as a placeholder just in case we get a doable update; bug #274833 | 16:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 274833 in xorg "Please disclude xserver-xorg-video-psb from xserver-xorg-video-all" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/274833 | 16:29 |
| mdz | (slangasek: here now) | 16:29 |
| lool | Stuff which landed: installer | 16:29 |
| slangasek | mdz: 'morning :) | 16:29 |
| lool | Stuff we're targetting at intrepid: | 16:29 |
| lool | * DC-built images (cdimage) dailies based on mobile/i386 seed (only mid/lpia seed so far); bug #274838 | 16:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 274838 in mobile-meta "ubuntu-mobile images need to be built on cdimage.ubuntu.com machines" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/274838 | 16:29 |
| lool | * kernel union fs: aufs needs an update (main kernel is affected as well), we're still using unionfs as a workaround right now; amitk on it, almost done; bug #264048 | 16:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 264048 in linux-lpia "aufs hangs on rename() in MID live images" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/264048 | 16:29 |
| lool | * no wifi for Q1U on lpia; ath5k doesn't work with the chip and no lrm for lpia; amitk working on providing lrm for lpia; bug #274832 | 16:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 274832 in mobile-meta "no linux-restricted-modules for lpia flavour" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/274832 | 16:29 |
| lool | * mid images fail to install due to misc ubiquity/kernel/grub/lpia interactions; bug #182004, bug #274752, bug #274753, bug #274781, bug #274785 track these issues; lots of small things discovered only as soon as we had kernel meta in place (happened this week) | 16:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 182004 in ubiquity "partitioner fails if partially preseeded due to seen flag madness" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182004 | 16:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 274752 in mobile-meta "No kernel installed for ubuntu-mid flavour" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/274752 | 16:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 274753 in mobile-meta "No kernel installed with ubuntu-mobile" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/274753 | 16:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 274781 in grub-installer "Please add support for the lpia architecture" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/274781 | 16:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 274785 in ubiquity "Ubiquity should select grub as the boot loader for lpia" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/274785 | 16:30 |
| lool | So that last list is scary, it's many small things | 16:30 |
| lool | Questions? | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | there's a problem with getting the mobile seeds honoured by germinate on drescher (which may feed into something above, not sure) | 16:30 |
| slangasek | you said "targetting at intrepid"; are all of these beta things, and which ones are critical? | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | we got the initial trivial patch sorted out, but the task names are all wrong | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | lool: are you planning to use the tasks for beta? | 16:31 |
| lool | cjwatson: I know we discussed task headers yesterday | 16:31 |
| lool | cjwatson: In the seeds data? I think so | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | bugger, I'd better get that sorted out quickly then | 16:31 |
| lool | cjwatson: One issue was that mid was using task-seeds: desktop-common incorrectly, that I dropped | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | at the moment the task names will come out as mobile-mobile and mobile-mid | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | is that OK for you, or would you want them to be just mobile and mid (bearing in mind that that's a tedious code change)? | 16:32 |
| lool | Ok | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | if you can tolerate those task names, we can leave them like that | 16:32 |
| lool | cjwatson: I think the descriptions are clear enough that I wouldn't bug you for the cosmetic of the short name; would be nice to fix them on the long term naturally | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | persia sent me patches for 274781 and 274785 today, which should be straightforward to integrate (though I haven't looked at them yet) | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | ok | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | that's a relief | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | will still need a tasksel update probably | 16:33 |
| lool | Ok; I have little clue about that; I'd rather have persia and you sort tasksel out at this point | 16:33 |
| cjwatson | it's trivial | 16:33 |
| lool | Ok; want a bug? | 16:34 |
| cjwatson | no need | 16:34 |
| lool | Topic closed then, thanks for raising tasks short names | 16:34 |
| lool | Any other Q on the above release updates for mobile? | 16:34 |
| slangasek | you said "targetting at intrepid"; are all of these beta things, and which ones are critical? | 16:34 |
| hokmen | dear ubuntu friends | 16:34 |
| hokmen | I think double AI for data packages at both sides will do bad things. | 16:34 |
| hokmen | a example： | 16:35 |
| cjwatson | hokmen: please use a different channel; we're holding a meeting. | 16:35 |
| hokmen | afo send me two links which point to his qq mail box (that is afunction for file downloading in tencent qq mail box) | 16:35 |
| lool | slangasek: The beta critical issue is the last one; the other stuff we would like to have in beta or the soonest basically | 16:35 |
| hokmen | and then i can not download it if it come with the hash() verify code in url. | 16:35 |
| lool | slangasek: We could live with any of the other points staying open, but it would be ugly | 16:35 |
| hokmen | ok | 16:35 |
| slangasek | lool: and related to that, do people on your team have the necessary bits to escalate these bugs? e.g., bug #264048 is 'undecided' importance, which puts it a the bottom of the milestoned bug list | 16:36 |
| hokmen | i think this is a kind of double AI(or say g.f.w) for data packages at both sides. we need to cooperation, not do it by your own selves. sorry for interrapt | 16:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 264048 in linux-lpia "aufs hangs on rename() in MID live images" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/264048 | 16:36 |
| cjwatson | could somebody please +q hokmen | 16:36 |
| slangasek | [ACTION] slangasek to follow up on mobile bug list and ensure appropriate milestones are set | 16:37 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: slangasek to follow up on mobile bug list and ensure appropriate milestones are set | 16:37 |
| lool | slangasek: TBH, we didn't make enough use of bugs severities and milestones, or bugs in general, and are trying to improve; this particular bug is at the top of amitk's list though | 16:37 |
| lool | slangasek: I did milestone this bug today though | 16:37 |
| slangasek | lool: right; the place where milestones/severities help are for letting the rest of team know what to expect in the upload | 16:38 |
| lool | (I hope it's still ok to milestone in beta to try to fix before beta and remilestone for final if we didn't) | 16:38 |
| slangasek | ... upload queue :) | 16:38 |
| slangasek | ok, let's push ahead | 16:38 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Kernel Team | 16:38 |
| lool | slangasek: As the bug number show, we did file a bunch of these very recently, which would also explain they didn't show up in your lists | 16:38 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Kernel Team | 16:38 |
| BenC | Hey | 16:39 |
| slangasek | hiya | 16:39 |
| pgraner | BenC has been driving the kernel the last few weeks... | 16:39 |
| pgraner | BenC: status? | 16:39 |
| BenC | So, I was out for a week, and have been catching up for the past week or so...I can only comment on what has been very visible | 16:39 |
| hokmen | will you pass that message to all BSD teams? | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | hokmen: please go elsewhere | 16:40 |
| BenC | As of right now I am concentrating on acpi hotkeys, crashdump and as of today, last-good-boot | 16:40 |
| BenC | the first two items Are generally fixed, and need some uploads | 16:40 |
| pitti | BenC: any chance of making l-g-b a bit more efficient? | 16:40 |
| slangasek | BenC: there's a hitlist of bugs in the agenda, in case you haven't seen; bug #263555, bug #253904, and bug #260675 | 16:40 |
| BenC | The final item, last-good-boot, I've only recently heard of some issues | 16:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 263555 in linux "[intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e driver places Intel ICH8 and ICH9 gigE chipsets at risk" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263555 | 16:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 253904 in linux-meta "does not build a lot of metapackages any more" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/253904 | 16:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 260675 in wacom-tools "[intrepid] Wacom Xorg module is incompatible with the kernel module shipped in kernel packages." [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/260675 | 16:41 |
| BenC | e1000e is being removed | 16:41 |
| rtg | I've been working on bug #263555 | 16:41 |
| BenC | linux-meta doesn't need to build a lot of meta packages | 16:41 |
| hokmen | things is going good | 16:41 |
| pitti | but we still need all of them for upgrades, at least until 10.04 (next LTS) | 16:41 |
| BenC | linux-ports-meta will be filling the void on that one, and smb is preparing an upload | 16:41 |
| dendrobates | pgraner: BenC: 2.6.27 is currently crashing in EC2. We have a fix that zul is testing today. | 16:41 |
| BenC | pitti: ^^ | 16:41 |
| pitti | Hobbsee: are you channel admin? can you please ban hokmen? | 16:42 |
| pitti | BenC: ah, thanks | 16:42 |
| pgraner | dendrobates: bug number? | 16:42 |
| cjwatson | pitti: (he left) | 16:42 |
| pitti | BenC: which one will build the ones for the dropped flavours? | 16:42 |
| BenC | pitti: linux-ports-meta | 16:42 |
| dendrobates | we don't have one yet, but will in a few minutes. | 16:42 |
| pitti | BenC: nice to see that resolved, thanks | 16:43 |
| pgraner | dendrobates: great | 16:43 |
| BenC | pitti: if there are other flavours we need to fill the void for, we'll get those too | 16:43 |
| BenC | pitti: things like -xen, -rt and -openvz don't have an upgrade path | 16:43 |
| BenC | pitti: but we never guaranteed one | 16:43 |
| slangasek | rtg: what are the prospects of having a better fix for 263555 for beta than 'remove the driver'? That option leaves a lot of laptop users without ethernet, I think | 16:43 |
| rtg | Investigation into the e1000e flash corruption is still ongoing by the kernel dev community. Its a very high profile issue on LKML right now. | 16:44 |
| rtg | I believe it has existed since at least Gutsy. I remember a patch that allowed e1000 to load despite checksum failures. | 16:44 |
| rtg | In the meantime I've disabled it in the Intrepid kernel. No resolution in sight. | 16:44 |
| BenC | slangasek: e1000 picks up those PCI id's | 16:44 |
| pitti | BenC: so those folks will just stay with the hardy kernel then? | 16:44 |
| BenC | pitti: right | 16:44 |
| rtg | BenC: I'm coming to the conclusion that it might not be a driver issue. | 16:44 |
| slangasek | there are -rt kernel packages in intrepid, as well as a linux-meta-rt, so I think that one's resolved anyway | 16:45 |
| sbeattie | rtg: bug 60388 is the e1000 invalid checksum bug | 16:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 60388 in linux "e1000 EEPROM Checksum validity check should be disabled" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60388 | 16:45 |
| rtg | sbeattie: thats the one. I did it for Jane and Mark | 16:45 |
| slangasek | BenC: ah, so is that change in place already to have e1000 take over these PCI IDs? | 16:45 |
| slangasek | if so, we can probably un-milestone the bug? | 16:45 |
| rtg | slangasek, BenC: its not the solution | 16:46 |
| BenC | slangasek: I'll let rtg comment on this since he's been tracking the whole situation... | 16:46 |
| rtg | Reverting to the e1000 driver isn't going to fix the root cause. No bosy is really sure what it is yet. | 16:47 |
| slangasek | ok | 16:47 |
| rtg | Hopefully we'll find it soon. | 16:47 |
| rtg | Intel is putting a lot of resource into it. | 16:48 |
| rtg | thats all from me. | 16:48 |
| slangasek | ok, then I think that bug is where it needs to be right now | 16:48 |
| slangasek | thanks, guys | 16:48 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Foundations Team | 16:48 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Foundations Team | 16:48 |
| sbeattie | slangasek: one other thing, QA talked internally about escalating issues like e1000e earlier to release team/manager; we think this specific issue got overshadowed by 2.6.26->2.6.27 | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | Milestoned bugs: | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | 256054: taken to ubuntu-devel for discussion; ifupdown plugin available for testing; alternatives are to write a simple plugin to make all interfaces unmanaged, or to have an "nm-managed" option in interfaces t | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | hat ifupdown is taught to understand | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | 226139: sorry, don't have status on this, though I see that there's a patch available upstream | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | 182004: I'm working hard on this, hope to be finished today | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | Targeted bugs: | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | 247376: still blocked on upstream, but 274303 will at least give us a workaround for upgrades (see pitti's update) | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | 185311: no progress since last time, not optimistic | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | 267884: no progress since last time, but should be tractable | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | 272772: big transition bug including OOo, have pointed it out to calc | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | 180309: don't have status on this | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | 261543: I've got feedback from Scott, in progress | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | 272318: recurrence of previous issue, no progress yet though | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | 273271: new UI bug, should be easy, may squeeze this in for beta | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | 267682: some progress, not entirely fixed yet though (FDI addition broke detect-screens; HAL issue? needs yet more analysis) | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | 270423: not sure what's happening here, but post-beta | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | Misc issues/features: | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | OOo 3.0 due in PPA today, perhaps universe for intrepid but not main | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | OpenJDK compiler currently targeting 1.6 by default which breaks older VMs (e.g. Blackdown); doko is gathering information on what targeting 1.4 instead would lose us | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | bryce has been working on merging updated acpi-support quirks from Debian and will be continuing with this, with a view to knowing more about the work required to bin it for jaunty | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | expecting a new code drop for BBC content in totem, now that the production server is available and some new video formats need to be enabled; would like to upload this pre-beta if possible, if it's in time | 16:50 |
| cjwatson | not quite finished enabling mobile seed germination in LP; still needs another code change there :-( | 16:50 |
| cjwatson | actually, you can ignore that last line, I prepared this before the mobile update | 16:50 |
| slangasek | sbeattie: yes, I agree that should've been escalated much earlier | 16:50 |
| cjwatson | no questions, or is everyone still digesting? :) | 16:52 |
| pitti | cjwatson: 267672> I vaguely understood it as that -evdev now grabs the keys and sends them as events to X | 16:53 |
| pitti | as opposed to acpi-support/hal grabbing the keys and running their usual scripts | 16:53 |
| mdz | cjwatson: digesting | 16:54 |
| pitti | but ICBW, I have no firm idea how this actually works | 16:54 |
| mdz | cjwatson: I haven't looked at it in detail, but "experimental plugin" as a solution for 256054 makes me vaguely nervous | 16:54 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: been digesting :) | 16:54 |
| cjwatson | pitti: the more recent updates to that bug indicate that a hal fdi script helped many of the problems (although regressed one), so something is clearly going through hal | 16:54 |
| cjwatson | mdz: personally, I'm somewhat open to the "leave it alone" solution as well | 16:55 |
| mdz | cjwatson: isn't it a regression from 8.04? | 16:55 |
| pitti | cjwatson: I think it's *supposed* to go trough hal, and with the new -evdev it wasn't any more | 16:55 |
| mdz | pitti: I don't fully understand what's going on in bug 267682 | 16:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 267682 in linux "Hotkeys no longer working in Intrepid on Thinkpads" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/267682 | 16:56 |
| pitti | mdz: I think nobody really does :( | 16:56 |
| cjwatson | I think it probably is a regression, but people using both /etc/network/interfaces (non-trivially) and network-manager have had to deal with all sorts of crap :-/ | 16:56 |
| cjwatson | a new plugin is no more invasive that n-m 0.7 is to start with, I feel ... | 16:56 |
| mdz | pitti: would it help to have someone figure out how it was working in 8.04? | 16:56 |
| mdz | since there seem to be multiple paths which handle those events | 16:57 |
| pitti | mdz: yes, absolutely | 16:57 |
| pitti | yeah, at least hal+hal-info and acpi-support are doing basically the same thing slightly differently | 16:57 |
| pitti | and now -evdev grabs them as well, which doesn't make things easier | 16:57 |
| mdz | pitti: what does the fdi file actually do? | 16:57 |
| pitti | mdz: it basically tells -evdev to ignore the spethial keys | 16:57 |
| pitti | so that hal and acpid grab them again | 16:58 |
| mdz | pitti: should we open a separate bug about the brightness keys? that seems like it may be a different issue | 16:58 |
| pitti | and thus run the acpi-support scripts / the hal addons | 16:58 |
| slangasek | pitti: acpid was always grabbing them... | 16:58 |
| mdz | slangasek: indeed | 16:58 |
| pitti | slangasek: yeah, whichever hal/acpid got it first, I suppose | 16:58 |
| pitti | but nice to see that everyone seems to have a different piece of the puzzle | 16:59 |
| slangasek | I don't know how hal grabs them, but it appears to /not/ be through the /proc/acpi/events interface or the acpid socket | 16:59 |
| pitti | I purged acpid and acpi-support, and things still work the same as before; that's when hal/hal-info take over and do what we do with acpi-support | 16:59 |
| mdz | in the longer term, should we be aiming to get rid of acpid entirely? | 17:00 |
| pitti | mdz: ++ | 17:00 |
| pitti | and acpi-support as well | 17:00 |
| cjwatson | as I said, bryce's studies of acpi-support are aimed at having enough knowledge to get rid of it in jaunty | 17:00 |
| pitti | I think the right thing to do is to convert our remaining delta in acpi-support to hal-fdi scripts and submit that upstream, and forget about that Ubuntuism | 17:00 |
| mdz | slangasek: hal *should* be getting them via the acpid socket if acpid is running | 17:00 |
| cjwatson | we just need to do it at the start of the cycle rather than vacillating for a few months | 17:00 |
| mdz | pitti: ok, agreed | 17:00 |
| cjwatson | which involves somebody who cares at the start of the cycle | 17:01 |
| mdz | but that's probably not feasible for intrepid | 17:01 |
| pitti | mdz: no, too much regression potential | 17:01 |
| mdz | pitti: I have a thinkpad running 8.04 where all of the hotkeys work, I'll look at that over the weekend | 17:01 |
| mdz | I'll take an action for that | 17:01 |
| zul | ls | 17:01 |
| slangasek | mdz: one thing I've observed is that if I stop acpid while hal is running, hald-addon-acpi doesn't reconnect to /proc/acpi/event, but the hotkeys still work | 17:01 |
| mdz | slangasek: *boggle* | 17:02 |
| slangasek | [ACTION] mdz to look into how hotkeys worked in 8.04 (bug #267682) | 17:02 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: mdz to look into how hotkeys worked in 8.04 (bug #267682) | 17:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 267682 in linux "Hotkeys no longer working in Intrepid on Thinkpads" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/267682 | 17:02 |
| pitti | slangasek: *all* of them? my computer has brightness hardwired, for example | 17:02 |
| mdz | it's not the same thinkpad where I'm experiencing 267682, but hopefully it will shed some light | 17:02 |
| pitti | slangasek: but yeah, that stuns me as well | 17:03 |
| slangasek | pitti: all of the ones reported to work in my last comment on the bug | 17:03 |
| cjwatson | we're at 14 minutes on my slot now ... | 17:03 |
| pitti | slangasek: -evdev -> gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-pwoer-manager then perhaps? | 17:03 |
| pitti | slangasek: or did you have Timo's fdi in place as well? | 17:03 |
| slangasek | pitti: this is specifically with Timo's fdi in place | 17:03 |
| pitti | boggle | 17:03 |
| slangasek | anyway, let's continue this seemingly-endless discussion on #ubuntu-devel :/ | 17:04 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Server Team | 17:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Server Team | 17:04 |
| slangasek | dendrobates: hi | 17:05 |
| dendrobates | HI | 17:05 |
| dendrobates | We have no critical bugs at this point, but we are still triaging some of the kvm bugs. | 17:05 |
| dendrobates | one possible upload though, | 17:06 |
| dendrobates | we are waiting to hear back fomr amazon about opensourcing some scrpits used with ec2 | 17:06 |
| dendrobates | we have already integrated these scripts into vmbuilder, but have not uploaded that version. | 17:07 |
| dendrobates | we are expecting to hear by the beginning of bext week. | 17:07 |
| dendrobates | and we have a bug for the ec2 kernel issue, 274849 | 17:08 |
| slangasek | vmbuilder> ok; that sounds like it will probably slip until post-beta then? | 17:08 |
| slangasek | (i.e., release team probably won't accept it into the archive for beta that late) | 17:08 |
| mdz | dendrobates: are there any important changes in vmbuilder which are blocked by the licensing issue? | 17:08 |
| pitti | dendrobates: is the krb5-kdc -> main issue critical for beta? | 17:08 |
| mdz | dendrobates: I thought you asked amazon about those scripts weeks ago | 17:09 |
| dendrobates | mdz the ability to directly use AMI. | 17:09 |
| mdz | bug 274849 | 17:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 274849 in linux "2.6.27 (xen paravirt ops) crashes on ec2." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/274849 | 17:09 |
| dendrobates | mdz: we did, but they are a large company, the developer has agreed, but needs approval. | 17:09 |
| dendrobates | we have a potential fix for 274849: http://people.ubuntu.com/~chucks/kernel-xen.diff | 17:10 |
| dendrobates | they told us they could tell us by next week. | 17:10 |
| dendrobates | we can still build and ec2 images if they do not opensource it, but we cannot integrate the deployment functionality into vmbuilder. | 17:11 |
| dendrobates | pitti: I don't think it is critical to beta | 17:12 |
| slangasek | patch for 274849> not mentioned in the bug itself? | 17:12 |
| pitti | dendrobates: *nod* (it's also fairly new) | 17:13 |
| dendrobates | slangasek: it;s all very new, updating now. | 17:13 |
| mdz | dendrobates: is it impossible to do without their scripts, or would we just need to reimplement some of them? | 17:14 |
| dendrobates | mdz we might need to make it a two stage process, where either a webapp helps you deploy, or we perhaps another app in muti-verse that deploys. | 17:16 |
| dendrobates | mdz: chuck soren and I are working through the possibilities. | 17:16 |
| dendrobates | but we really hope amazone says yes. | 17:16 |
| cjwatson | [server slot at 13 minutes] | 17:17 |
| slangasek | yes, there doesn't seem to be much more we can do about EC2 here in the meeting | 17:17 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] MOTU | 17:18 |
| MootBot | New Topic: MOTU | 17:18 |
| slangasek | ScottK doesn't appear to be about today; is there anyone else who can speak on behalf of motu-release? | 17:18 |
| cjwatson | Hobbsee perhaps? | 17:19 |
| slangasek | Hobbsee isn't on motu-release this cycle | 17:19 |
| cjwatson | ah | 17:19 |
| slangasek | none of the others are here either; I'll take that as a "everything's going great" and move along :) | 17:19 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] General feature update | 17:20 |
| MootBot | New Topic: General feature update | 17:20 |
| slangasek | this should be a null topic because we're all working on bugfixes right now instead of features, but just in case, does anyone have anything to discuss here? :) | 17:20 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] Known regressions | 17:21 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Known regressions | 17:21 |
| mdz | [LINK] http://people.ubuntu.com/~sbeattie/regression_tracker.html | 17:21 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.ubuntu.com/~sbeattie/regression_tracker.html | 17:21 |
| cjwatson | oh, that's nice | 17:22 |
| slangasek | yes, it is | 17:22 |
| slangasek | except the count is too high, hmm :) | 17:22 |
| bdmurray | we've had some possibly overzealous tagging | 17:23 |
| slangasek | is the QA team reviewing these tags for correctness? | 17:23 |
| mdz | sbeattie: ^^ | 17:23 |
| mdz | the ones I've seen get tagged are reasonably accurate | 17:24 |
| slangasek | can the tagging policy require that the facts of the regression are documented in the bug log itself? | 17:24 |
| bdmurray | slangasek: it does | 17:24 |
| cjwatson | 92014 is an ... interesting suggestion for "regression" | 17:24 |
| mdz | slangasek: ++ | 17:24 |
| sbeattie | yes, been reviewing a bit. | 17:24 |
| slangasek | bdmurray: ah; then I should consider myself at liberty to remove the tag from any where this is not the case? | 17:24 |
| sbeattie | slangasek: agreed, we'll add that to the documentation. | 17:25 |
| sbeattie | slangasek: yes | 17:25 |
| slangasek | (e.g., the n-m bug discussed earlier) | 17:25 |
| cjwatson | where's the documentation for the tag semantics? could it be linked from the tracker? | 17:25 |
| cjwatson | (something a little more extensive than the one-liners, if any) | 17:25 |
| slangasek | ok; that page gives us something to digest off-line | 17:25 |
| sbeattie | cjwatson: it needs fleshing out but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/RegressionTracking is it. | 17:26 |
| slangasek | which I'll definitely have to do | 17:26 |
| cjwatson | sbeattie: thanks | 17:26 |
| mdz | while we have everyone's eyes on it...does that page render very slowly in firefox for anyone else? | 17:26 |
| cjwatson | no | 17:27 |
| slangasek | it scrolls slowly for me | 17:27 |
| mdz | scrolls very slowly for me | 17:27 |
| pitti | it starts scrolling slowly halfway down | 17:27 |
| pitti | initial rendering is fasat | 17:27 |
| mdz | ok, thanks, don't want to interrupt the flow of the meeting | 17:28 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] hardware testing | 17:28 |
| MootBot | New Topic: hardware testing | 17:28 |
| slangasek | heno and cr3 aren't here to give us an update, but I've discussed hardware certification with them earlier this week | 17:28 |
| mdz | I received a report from Henrik a little while ago | 17:28 |
| mdz | it's a bit difficult to interpret though, I think it still needs work | 17:28 |
| slangasek | hardware cert is ongoing and results seem to be good, but the website lacks a summary view | 17:29 |
| sbeattie | yes, reporting needs work. | 17:29 |
| slangasek | I've asked them (and David Murphy) for a summary that will show which tests are failing, which hardware has test failures, and which hardware (if any) hasn't been tested recently | 17:30 |
| sbeattie | cr3 and schwuk are open to suggestions on what/how to report | 17:30 |
| mdz | slangasek: I've forwarded you what I have in case you didn't already have it | 17:30 |
| slangasek | mdz: ok, thanks | 17:30 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] ISO size | 17:30 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ISO size | 17:30 |
| sbeattie | slangasek: I think it'd be useful to have an overview of what's being tested (successfully) as well. | 17:30 |
| slangasek | desktop CDs are oversized again; we got several days'-worth of changes in a batch due to some livefs build issues, and now we're at 711MB for both archs | 17:31 |
| mdz | sbeattie: yes, it should be a simple red/yellow/green for every system | 17:31 |
| cjwatson | has anyone done a diff against 20080923? | 17:32 |
| slangasek | I have the diff of newly-added packages - looks like landscape-common, libcanberra-gnome, and bluez-{input,network,serial} are the new top-level additions, so I'll be chasing these up today to find out who's to blame for eating up all the space (there are a /lot/ of libs pulled in) | 17:32 |
| cjwatson | (build logs should still be around, at least) | 17:32 |
| cjwatson | ok | 17:32 |
| slangasek | so in the meantime, everybody just keep thinking thin :-) | 17:33 |
| pitti | slangasek: for the record, it's not langpacks; they haven't changed since sept 6, due to the export crashing for some dubious reason | 17:33 |
| slangasek | pitti: noted :) | 17:33 |
| pitti | bluez-* are in fact new, but were split-outs from hardy | 17:33 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] AOB | 17:33 |
| MootBot | New Topic: AOB | 17:33 |
| slangasek | and that's all I have - anything else? | 17:33 |
| mdz | slangasek: well done finishing up on time | 17:34 |
| Riddell | slangasek: KDE 4.1.2 | 17:34 |
| Riddell | we have tars now, we could upload this weekend probably | 17:34 |
| Riddell | or wait until after beta if preferred | 17:34 |
| slangasek | better before beta than after | 17:34 |
| mvo | is there a chance for the feature freeze exception for compiz 0.7.8 to be considered before beta? | 17:35 |
| slangasek | mvo: yes; let's discuss that separately | 17:35 |
| mvo | ok, thanks | 17:35 |
| Riddell | slangasek: I'll get the kubuntu packaging ninjas onto it | 17:35 |
| slangasek | sounds like we're done, then | 17:35 |
| slangasek | #endmeeting | 17:35 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 11:35. | 17:35 |
| slangasek | thanks, folks | 17:36 |
| dendrobates | byeee | 17:36 |
| pitti | thanks everyone | 17:36 |
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