[00:08] nini kids [00:08] ♥ [00:46] slangasek called the ops in #ubuntu-server () [00:46] could someone excuse user flyback from #ubuntu-server, please? [00:47] i'm afraid not [00:47] none of us is an op in there [00:47] hmm [00:47] and yet, the !ops command has the same output for that channel as elsewhere :) [00:47] that can be changed [00:48] infinity, soren, lamont, mathiaz and thom are the gods there [00:48] yep, asked chanserv, ping them now; thanks [00:48] !ops-#ubuntu-server is Help! Channel emergency! infinity, soren, lamont, mathiaz or tom [00:48] I'll remember that, LjL [00:48] one of them needs to add *!*@freenode/staff at least [00:48] no !ops-#ubuntu-server is Help! Channel emergency! infinity, soren, lamont, mathiaz or thom [00:49] i hate you, bot. [00:49] * Pici is reminded that he has !ops on hilight. [00:49] Pici: wh!ops, i'm sorry about that [00:50] * LjL suspect that nalioth, on the other hand, has "freenode" and "staff" in there [00:52] And his name too [00:53] marek? i don't know, i don't have my name on highlight :P [00:54] what's the weather been like by the way, was fine here [00:54] * LjL runs [01:02] * slangasek wanders away again, cheers all [01:34] w00t... exception handlers are... fun [02:05] Mez: stop complaining, some PPC64 silicons I worked with at work partially resetted on 64-bit uncaught exceptions. [02:05] 32-bit ones end up in a TRAP interrupt [02:05] go figure. [02:06] it wasn't very amusing because the reset was very incomplete... the CPU started over from the boot instruction but didn't care to reinitialize memory structures [02:06] in other words, it kinda behaved like 99% of Linux laptops after waking from suspend :) [03:59] dmsuperman called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic () [04:05] Hrm, that was odd [04:05] you aware of why you're in here? [04:05] I'd imagine bot abuse? [04:06] * Mez nods. [04:06] Not satisfied with calling the ops for someone else doing it, you do it yourself? [04:06] Care to explain? [04:06] Hmm? [04:07] dmsuperman, I know you well enough to know you know the rules about bot abuse. [04:07] yes? [04:07] Yes [04:08] So, why join in with someone breaking them? [04:08] espescially as you called the ops... you should have known someone was coming [04:08] I called the ops? [04:08] dmsuperman called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic () [04:09] Does !botabuse do that? [04:09] no, someone else did that [04:10] weird to be honest, I cant see you calling the ops [04:10] Is there anything beside !ops that does it? I didn't do !ops, I know that [04:10] not that I know of [04:11] Yeah...I didn't do !ops [04:11] Only !botabuse...then I proceeded to abuse the bot myself [04:11] that doesnt help your case.... why did you botabuse in the first place ? [04:11] There hasn't even been an !ops call within the last 200 lines before I got kicked [04:12] I did !botabuse because there was being bot abuse, but then when I realized that's just what the entire channel was doing I joined in [04:12] ... yep... which is the place you SHOULD have called ops... [04:13] not joined in. [04:13] Yeah...unless it's trolling or heavy spam I don't normally call the ops [04:13] Partly because of my kneejerk reaction to authority, but more because I understand that to have to get involved in something petty would annoy at least me [04:14] that was heavy spam IMO. [04:14] So, can we come to an agreement... ? [04:14] If it happens again, you do what you should and do a !ops instead of joining in and causing trouble? [04:14] Sure thing [04:15] Also, mind testing !botabuse to see if it calls ops? [04:15] sorry, can you explain but more because I understand that to have to get involved in something petty would annoy at least me" [04:15] I just did... it didnt [04:15] Hrm [04:15] I'll poke jussi01 about that [04:15] Alright [04:15] Yeah, if I were in an ops position [04:15] And somebody called the ops every time any little thing happened [04:15] Then I know I'd be annoyed [04:16] Especially if it can be resolved without them [04:17] not every tiny little thing, but 3 pages of bot abuse == ops call :d [04:17] you dont join in too [04:17] Yeah, I know [04:17] :P [04:17] It's just so derned hard when all the other kids are doing it [04:17] But I got it, no more bot abuse, call the ops if it's bad [04:18] * Mez nods [04:18] you can go back now [04:18] Alrighty then [04:18] Mez: ubottu will ignore commie_cary, dmsuperman and CheesyWeasel in -ot for (about) 2 hours, see @ignore and @unignore [04:18] @help [04:18] (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. [04:19] stdin, but I dont have access for that [04:19] @capabilities [04:19] you should have with @ignore and @unignore [04:19] I made them especially ;) [04:19] ah... [04:19] what was with it calling the ops ? [04:19] there was no ops call... [04:20] I don't know, I can't see where it saw an ops call, but the conf was slightly messed up for some reason [04:20] stdin, you running it atm then ? [04:20] no, I just have access :) [04:20] ah [04:21] to jussi's box :? [04:21] yep [04:21] @ignore #ubuntu-offtopic list [04:21] Error: '#ubuntu-offtopic' is not a valid nick or hostmask. [04:21] @list [04:21] Admin, Bantracker, Bugtracker, Channel, Config, Encyclopedia, IRCLogin, Misc, Owner, Plugin, Reply, Services, Svn, User, and Webcal [04:21] @list channel [04:21] @help ignore [04:21] (ignore [] []) -- Ignores commands/requests from or . If is given the ignore will expire after that ammount of seconds. If is given, the ignore will only apply in that channel. [04:21] alert, ban add, ban list, ban remove, capability add, capability list, capability remove, capability set, capability setdefault, capability unset, cycle, dehalfop, deop, devoice, disable, enable, halfop, ignore add, ignore list, ignore remove, invite, kban, key, limit, lobotomy add, lobotomy list, lobotomy remove, mode, moderate, nicks, op, unban, unmoderate, and voice [04:21] @channel ignore list [04:21] Error: You don't have the #ubuntu-ops,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. [04:22] you don't use Channel or Admin, it's from Encyclopedia [04:22] @channel ignore #ubuntu-offtopic list [04:22] Error: 'supybot.ignore' is not a valid configuration variable. [04:22] @help channel ignore list [04:22] (channel ignore list []) -- Lists the hostmasks that the bot is ignoring on the given channel. is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. [04:22] I guess I should add a ignore list command [04:22] @channel ignore list #ubuntu-offtopic [04:22] Error: You don't have the #ubuntu-offtopic,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. [04:22] :D [04:22] @channel ignore list #ubuntu-offtopic [04:22] 'CheesyWeasel!n=CheesyWe@c-67-183-111-116.hsd1.wa.comcast.net', 'commie_cary!n=cary@pool-96-232-134-44.nycmny.fios.verizon.net', and 'dmsuperman!n=dmsuperm@cpe-65-24-122-117.columbus.res.rr.com' [04:23] * stdin has super-bot-powers [04:23] :'( [04:23] @capability list admin [04:23] (capability list []) -- Returns the capabilities present on the . is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. [04:23] @capability list [04:23] -halfop -op -protected -voice [04:26] * Mez adds his hostmask to ubottuy [04:28] @help ignore [04:28] (ignore [] []) -- Ignores commands/requests from or . If is given the ignore will expire after that ammount of seconds. If is given, the ignore will only apply in that channel. [04:30] doesnt respond to me saying anything [04:30] @ignorelsit #ubuntu-offtopic [04:30] hmm [04:31] !ping [04:31] ping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore [04:31] @ignorelist #ubuntu-offtopic [04:31] An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [04:31] (try typing list right) [04:31] yeah, I know ;) [04:31] @ignore commie_cary 2h #ubuntu-offtopic [04:31] (ignore [] []) -- Ignores commands/requests from or . If is given the ignore will expire after that ammount of seconds. If is given, the ignore will only apply in that channel. [04:31] .... [04:32] the time is in seconds :| [04:32] @ignorelist #ubuntu-offtopic [04:32] An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [04:32] @ignorelist #ubuntu-offtopic [04:32] 'CheesyWeasel!n=CheesyWe@c-67-183-111-116.hsd1.wa.comcast.net', 'commie_cary!n=cary@pool-96-232-134-44.nycmny.fios.verizon.net', and 'dmsuperman!n=dmsuperm@cpe-65-24-122-117.columbus.res.rr.com' [04:32] fixed :p [04:33] @ignore commie_cary 7200 #ubuntu-offtopic [04:33] The operation succeeded. [04:33] @ignorelist #ubuntu-offtopic [04:33] 'CheesyWeasel!n=CheesyWe@c-67-183-111-116.hsd1.wa.comcast.net', 'commie_cary!n=cary@pool-96-232-134-44.nycmny.fios.verizon.net', 'commie_cary!n=cary@unaffiliated/commiecary/x-90615', and 'dmsuperman!n=dmsuperm@cpe-65-24-122-117.columbus.res.rr.com' [04:34] knew one of thebing ignored properly [04:34] them wasnt being [04:34] sneaky, commie_cary identified [04:35] :D [04:36] I swear - dont let me in -ot again - it's a fulltime job [04:37] btw, there's some documentation on the plugin commands -> http://jussi01.com/stdin/plugin.cgi in case you don't want to use @help all the time [04:39] * stdin sleeps [04:43] PriceChild, copy and paste the below line please :D [04:43] /cs clear #ubuntu-offtopic USERS [04:47] haha [04:50] or you elky_work :D [04:51] do i look stupid enough to go into that hellpit from work? [04:51] elky_work, you dont need to join the channel ;) [04:51] :D [04:51] then why dont you do it [04:51] I dont have access :D [04:52] We should fix that ;) [04:52] haha... [04:52] I think a weekly /cs clear would be cood for -offtopic [04:52] :D [04:53] kick everyone out for 6 days, 23 hours, and 55 minutes evert week... [04:53] so they're only allowed in for 5 mins [04:55] since this is an open community and all, feel free to suggest it to the users so they can have their say on that idea. [04:56] elky_work, lol - what was the link for ubuntu brainstorm again ? :P [04:56] stfu.ubuntu.com [04:57] Mez: not a clue. never used it. [04:58] mneptok, [04:58] w3m: Can't load http://stfu.ubuntu.com. [04:58] Mez: ask elmo why you can't seem to STFU >;) [04:59] *smewchies* [04:59] mneptok, :D [04:59] it's probably an only internal thing [05:14] Has rafkid been a problem before. His nick rings a bell... [05:23] anything with 'kid' in their nick is bound to be a problem [05:23] Indeed. [05:24] I'm about to go to bed, but asking someone not to PM me, pointing out the Code of Conduct and ubottu's !pm trigger, and then asking him to "cool it" when he insults me is not in any way abusing power. [05:24] You'll note I banned him. [05:27] Anyway, good night, elky_work. [05:27] nini [06:19] bwaaaaah $timeofday folks [06:19] I wanna sleep... [06:39] yay for our rafkid friend :/ http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=930387 [06:43] *sigh* [06:43] now i didnt see *that* coming [06:43] right. up from the bed... [06:43] Although I do wish the Ubuntuforums ops would send them here and not to the CC straight away [06:45] the forums council should be alerted to that [06:45] as they are in a similar position and should have clue [06:49] Ok, lets grab pricey next time he is around... [06:49] PriceChild: ^^ [06:50] and the lovely wrong advice [06:50] and i have absolutely no posting abilities on UF for some reason [06:50] i PM'd the mod, though [06:51] :) [06:51] * jussi01 goes back to studying for his exam [08:17] what is it about today... [08:17] I could *swear* it's monday [08:30] welcome rafkid [08:30] how may we help you [08:31] I have benn banned from #ubuntu by tritium - I think he is in error and would like the ban removed please [08:32] hold on, please. [08:32] @btlogin [08:32] certainly [08:32] @login [08:32] * Myrtti blinks [08:32] !test [08:32] uh oh. [08:32] The operation succeeded. [08:32] The operation succeeded. [08:32] sigh... again? I'm busy here, I already told you it failed. [08:33] confused? [08:33] *sigh* [08:33] no, the bot just lagged [08:33] my bad I meant I am confused - Myrtti is a human right? [08:34] I am. [08:34] good [08:34] While we get the bot issues sorted out, why do you think it's an error? [08:35] because I do not know why he would ban someone for disagreeing with him [08:35] in this case it looks like the logs on the bot don't extend long enough for me to comment this particular subject, so I return to my work and leave others to deal with it :-< [08:35] Myrtti: check the logs from the logs. [08:36] thank you anyway [08:36] Flannel: they don't show kicks, bans, joins parts etc... [08:38] rafkid: What made you think he was being abusive? [08:40] his manner of speaking was autocratic and he told me to "cool it" - unfortunately I don't have the logs so it is hard to remember exactly what was said, but he overreacted to my situation and exercised his mods powers ie he abused them [08:40] rafkid: What powers did he exercise prior to your remark about him abusing them? [08:42] I am not sure but bearing in mind I did not know who he was he threw a bot at me with a pm - which is exactly what he asked me not to do - it was a confusing first experience to be honest - and I am alarmed that someone can be banned in so cavilier a manner wihtout some dialogue occuring of use to both sides [08:43] the whole thing smacks of using a heavy handed tactics to shut up a n00b on the channel [08:43] rafkid: He asked the bot to message you because he assumed you didn't read it the first time. People routinely do that (have the bot query people) to keep the scrolling down. [08:43] rafkid: We certainly don't have such a policy. [08:43] never even saw the bot tbh until it told me to read itslef [08:44] even when I read the bot pm I did not know it was a bot until it said it was [08:44] not even the code of conduct factoid? [08:44] rafkid: ubottu had already addressed you with messages. Even if you weren't aware that it was a bot. [08:45] if you didn't understand it was a bot, then the mistake was purely a human error on both sides - we cannot however know if everyone on the channel has understood it's a bot, so we assume everyone does. [08:45] I read that immediately - it said nothing about the specifics - so I assumed it was just an individual thing to tritium - in my other life on irc we routinely pm each other to get information [08:46] rafkid: ubottu's message... well, we can all read it [08:46] !pm [08:46] Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit AND help you. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first, some find it rude. [08:46] I assumed the bot was someone being helpful and not unhelful if you get my drift [08:47] exactly what I read at the time [08:47] but I assumed it was human not a bot - inspite of the helpful name [08:48] as I said, unfortunately we can't know if you've understood it's a bot - nor can we keep track on who has been on the channel before etc. [08:48] anyway thank you all for listening and contributing - the point I am making is that I got banned for doing something I didnt do - I think [08:49] I also suspect I missed the bot's resposne first time around - judging by your comments here [08:50] Well, we can't be sure as we're not tritium, but from what I can tell, you were banned because of the accusation that he was being abusive. [08:51] my intention was to warn him I thought he was abusing his powers as a mod - I blinked and was banned - I came here because I hoped to get reinstated [08:52] rafkid: For the record, it is unhelpful to communicate things that ought to be in the channel (support stuff) through other channels. [08:52] sorry - do you mean now or do you mean earleir on#ubuntu? [08:52] In any IRC channel, [08:53] it not only means that someone could potentially give you bad information, without anyone correcting them, [08:53] do you mean this communication is worng of me? [08:53] no... this is inside of a channel, and not in a query [08:53] oh [08:53] "other channels" meant queries [08:53] sorry [08:54] ah - yes I now understand that point having found it outside of the ubuntu forums and I was in error earlier but was banned out of hand without tritium educating me [08:54] it not only puts you at risk of bad information, but makes it so that the person you're helping has to keep track of two separate windows, which in a busy channel, makes it nearly impossible. [08:55] I now understand that having read it recently - the #ubuntu irc channel is a lot larger than the one I am used to and I can see how it would not work the same way now [08:55] also keeps others from gaining knowledge of the same problem [08:56] I can say from personal experience I've learned more about Linux and Ubuntu reading #ubuntu for six months than in any school I've attended [08:57] I agree with the principle now that I have educated myself by reading it - my point here is that it was the single most unhelpful exchange I have ever had on the internet - banned in two seconds by an unknown md without any warnings or explanations prio [08:57] rafkid: In the future, please use this channel for such complaints/abusive people/etc. We try and keep #ubuntu on topic. [08:58] sorry to bang on - am I in the right place now to get heard with a view to reinstatement? or am I wasting all your time? [08:58] rafkid: also, if you don't mind reading the IRC guidelines, so we're all on the same page, we ought to be able to get you back into #ubuntu [08:58] rafkid: Aye, this is the correct place. [09:00] Flannel: that sounded very piraty. [09:00] Myrtti: avast. [09:00] TLAP was last week. [09:00] I ahve read the irc guidlines about ten minutes ago - clearly I was wrong in my approach on the channel - I would still suggest to all reading this that banning someone so quickly when they are n00bish does not for a hppy ubuntu experience make [09:00] Its always TLAPD. I'm dedicated to saving the world from global warming. [09:00] * Myrtti huggles Flannel [09:01] Lollipops and hugs for everyone! [09:02] Flannel: thank you for your time and help and you Myrtti both - from a newbie perspective there is a disconnect between the reasonableness here and what I experienced earlier............ [09:02] rafkid: We're always striving to make #ubuntu channels friendly and welcoming to everyone. This was a number of misunderstandings which were compounded and made you seem like someone who was trying to cause trouble. [09:03] I can tell you with totl certainty I was not trying to cause trouble nor would I ever wish to - I just needed some help [09:03] rafkid: Nor was I implying you were, but given the circumstances, it could've easily been misconstrued as such. [09:04] rafkid: You should be able to join #ubuntu now [09:04] to be honest I actually thought tritium was the trouble maker - and only realised he was mod when he banned me [09:04] thank you so much [09:06] rafkid: No problem. Be sure to come here if you have future problems [09:06] one further observation (proffered in the hope of avoiding the same situation for others) - it might be useful for tritium if he read the above exchange? [09:07] many thanks I shall leave you all in piece now - and I shall certainly come straight here in the future and keep my public musings to myself etc I genuinely thank you for your reasonableness [09:07] rafkid: He almost certainly will. We've pinged him enough. [09:08] thank you [09:26] rafkid: is there anything else we can help you with? [09:27] you're welcome to join here again if you have something to ask or some problems in our channels, but as we don't have a ticket system for issues at hand, we ask those whose questions have been answered to leave the channel :-) [09:27] s/whose/who's/ [09:28] no wait. [09:28] meh [09:28] typos... [09:56] * Myrtti puts a guinea pig on the table [10:11] heads up on limcore in #ubutnu channels [10:12] hehe [10:13] I knew he's start already [10:13] not messing around with him any more [10:24] *yawn* [10:29] Hmmm maybe time to udpate the virtualbox factoid [10:54] standby #ubuntu-bugs for ranting to begin [11:24] rafkid: hello, how can we help [11:24] sorry no need auto conenction from me so I do not lose the channel [11:25] peeps were very helpful here earlier [11:25] no problem, if there is nothing that you need your welcome to leave, and return when you need something [11:26] should i go? or just leave it as is? i struggled to find this earlier - is it published somewhere obvious that I ahve missed? [11:26] rafkid: not really a channel aimed at idling in [11:26] rafkid: its listed in the ubuntu wiki irc page and you could always write it on a bit of paper [11:27] gotcha - I shall n00bishly stumble off into the void again then - ty for bumping me on so politely - I have a million bits of paper and one irc program:) [11:27] no problem, [11:27] tara then [11:27] bye [11:42] I think r2r is dmseg (the pain in the neck user) he's on the same network as dmseg was on, and has stareted a random conversation abuot dmseg abusing him [11:43] @btlogin [11:43] @login [11:43] The operation succeeded. [11:43] The operation succeeded. [11:44] @btlogin [12:10] hm. I think I forgot to eat yesterday. [12:19] !uck [12:19] UCK is a tool that helps you customise official Ubuntu Live CDs (including Kubuntu/Xubuntu and Edubuntu) to your needs. See http://uck.sourceforge.net/ [12:19] we neeed a new link, that ones broked [12:20] jussi01 jussi01! can I have a kebab? [12:20] please say yes? [12:20] yes :D [12:21] * Myrtti flees to get kebab [12:40] as in a stick with food on it? [12:41] gnomefreak: no... [12:41] oh [12:41] well kinda [12:43] gnomefreak: http://www.cafedelmar.fi/images/IMG_0504.jpg [12:43] eeek food porn [12:43] rofl [12:45] see, my connection was shocked by it :< [12:46] wait perhaps you didn't see it since it was just my bouncer disconnecting me. anyway. [12:46] thanks [12:47] ok that looks good [12:53] In #ubuntu, SkrabakL said: ubottu: and WINE is able to run creative suite from adobe and ms office probably ? [12:53] @slap gnomefreak [12:54] :) [12:54] gnomefreak: devel channels !=support... ;) [12:55] yeah i know, do you know the answer to his ? [12:56] * gnomefreak a bit on busy side today [13:05] nomnom. [13:41] if I slept a good nap on top of that dinner, would my headache go away? [13:43] sure [13:53] * ikonia returns after a fat london city dinner [13:53] sounds expensive [13:55] wasn't my wallet [13:55] but I am full [13:55] a little bloated [13:56] some of the meals turned up a little late so I rushed my food [13:56] wait [13:56] it's 2pm. "dinner"? [13:56] sorry Lunch [13:56] ah [13:56] he's returning from yesterday's dinner [13:57] I'm from the north of England, where "dinner" means "food" [13:57] jrib: if that were the case and he was still full and a little bloated, i'd worry if i were him [13:57] ikonia: i see [13:57] he did say some meals were a little late [13:57] not quite that late [13:59] jrib: as in "sorry sir, your meal isn't ready yet, would you like a pillow?" [13:59] exactly! [14:01] although if it *is* your own wallet that's being employed... [14:01] I'd have actually liked that [14:01] then you either have the pillow already, or won't be able to pay [14:01] could use a little rest after rushing that down [14:02] LjL: they are called credit cards... [14:02] jussi01: and they don't have a cap? ;P [14:03] some of the guys I've just ate with - I think they may not have one [14:04] some stupid "jewley" and penis extension wear on display [14:04] what? [14:05] jrib: do we *want* to know? [14:05] Myrtti: good point [14:05] "hi, I'm a high earner let me put this $40,0000 watch on the table so you can see I have cash" [14:05]