[00:15] <nazgul> hi i had console-kit crashing and found https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/consolekit/+bug/271800 . they want a better trace so I installed libglib-dbg and other debug packages.
[00:16] <nazgul> now  root@ubuntu810:/var/crash# gdb /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon _usr_sbin_console-kit-daemon.0.crash
[00:16] <nazgul> ...
[00:16] <nazgul> "/var/crash/_usr_sbin_console-kit-daemon.0.crash" is not a core dump: File format not recognized
[00:16] <nazgul> where is the core file stored at?
[00:27] <SpartanII117> hello, i updated to intrepid today and now my mouse does not work at all on it, i am currently chrooted into the install from hardy and can not figure out what the kernel version is
[00:28] <SpartanII117> can anyone help me with either of these issues?
[00:28] <cliechti> uname -a for the running system. the one that does not run depends on what you choose to boot when grub asks you ;-) 2.26.27-4 is the current intrepid kernel
[00:28] <SpartanII117> thanks
[00:32] <nblracer> my wifi pcmia comes up at eth1, not wlan1
[00:50] <DasEi1> is there already an alternate installer for ibex ?
[00:50] <RAOF> Yes?
[00:51] <RAOF> The alternate cds are built at the same time as the desktop cds.
[00:51] <DasEi1> where to dld ?
[00:52] <RAOF> cdimage.ubuntu.com, as always.
[00:52] <RAOF> Of course, Intrepid isn't actually released; the most recent milestone was alpha 6
[00:53] <DasEi1> where to get ? only found the regular at various places
[00:56] <EvilDaemon> DasEi1: It's easy, go to http://www.google.com , and enter what your looking for.
[00:56] <EvilDaemon> Then hit enter, then your there!
[00:56] <DasEi1> trying again...
[00:59] <DasEi1> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-6/  , maybe google only listens to EvilDaemon
[01:01] <DasEi1> 750 kb/s, 15 min nice, stopping ot then, thx
[01:02]  * DBO pokes RAOF 
[01:02] <RAOF> Any joy on the X4500?
[01:02] <DBO> none
[01:02] <DBO> its the drm module for sure
[01:02] <DBO> but the recent GEM work seems to make building a new one impossible
[01:03] <RAOF> Right.  Unless you patch the kernel, which seems an _awful_ lot of effort.
[01:03] <EvilDaemon> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&hs=wl2&q=alternate+install+ubuntu+ibex+6&btnG=Search
[01:03] <DBO> RAOF, where can I find said patches
[01:03] <EvilDaemon> That wasn't that hard, DasEi1
[01:03] <DBO> I am not opposed to patching the kernel, ubuntu has more or less let me down here
[01:03] <RAOF> Have you filed a bug, though?  It's possible that there's something backportable from the current GEM infested git.
[01:04] <DBO> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/274278
[01:05] <RAOF> DBO: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=890843&highlight=gem+intel may help.
[01:06] <DBO> RAOF, trying now
[01:08] <JediMaster> hi guys, I've just run displayconfig-gtk to try and get the nvidia driver running again after an upgrade, when I logout and it restarts X, it comes up in the recovery mode saying "(EE) Problem parsing the config file" =/
[01:09] <JediMaster> hmm, it's lost the keyboard definition
[01:12] <outbri> JediMaster: I had the same problem, I downgraded from nvidia-glx-177 ro nvidia-glx-173 and that fixed it.
[01:13] <JediMaster> ta, will try that
[01:14] <Turl> my system got unusable :S half of the apps won't start
[01:15] <Turl> for example, when I open pidgin it complains I don't have ssl support
[01:15] <Turl> what's missing there?
[01:15] <DBO> sudo aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[01:15] <DBO> does that help fix anything?
[01:19] <Turl> nope, itnope, it'll wanna install brasero and some other apps I deleted but that's not the problem afaik
[01:19] <Turl> all started with an upgrade
[01:19] <Turl> and the problem is that xulrunner won't install
[01:20] <Turl> it complains about some library file that failed loading cause it wasn't found
[01:20] <Turl> any thought on how to repair it?
[01:20] <Turl> maybe the update removed something important? i use aptitude safe-upgrade for upgrading
[01:21] <DBO> =/
[01:22] <danbh_intrepid> Turl: you kinda need to install ubuntu-desktop...
[01:22] <Turl> it'll just install brasero evolution and some other soft I don't/can't use
[01:23] <danbh_intrepid> Turl: its also the package that depends on everything that makes your system work...
[01:23] <danbh_intrepid> Turl: you could try ubuntu-standard
[01:23] <danbh_intrepid> Turl: anyway, gl
[01:23] <DBO> why do kernel compiles have to take 4 years and a day
[01:32] <JediMaster> how do you enable the nvidia driver? I've got nvidia-glx-177 install, and displayconfig-gtk produces invalid xorg.conf files
[01:33] <JediMaster> and the "hardware drives" program says that there's no propriatory drivers, even though the "nvidia" kernel module is loaded and displays in lsmod
[01:34] <danbh_intrepid> JediMaster: displayconfig is gone
[01:34] <JediMaster> I still got it installed heh
[01:34] <JediMaster> what's the "new" way of doing it then?
[01:40] <danbh_intrepid> maybe delete xorg.conf?  (ie, rename it)
[01:41] <JediMaster> nvidia-xconfig seems to have almost sorted it
[01:43] <JediMaster> yay, all working, even got my 37" tv's resolution right
[01:48] <DBO> w0000 stage 2, building modules!
[01:59] <asho79> sorry that this isn't an intrepid problem; but is 8.04.1 unstable? I'm having a problem with gedit
[02:00] <asho79> also, when is the stable intrepid coming out?
[02:01] <nblracer> what is it called when you share your bridge a network contention from on source to another
[02:01] <nblracer> asho79: 8.04 is stable
[02:01] <nblracer> i have not ran into anything major
[02:01] <asho79> nblracer; so is 8.04.1 unstable?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> asho79: that should be stable too.
[02:03] <asho79> Hobbsee: thanks
[02:03] <asho79> any ideas why my quotation marks aren't recognised for programming?
[02:04] <asho79> but they are good when I change my layout to UK
[02:04] <asho79> although, in UK I can't find backslash
[02:06] <nblracer> asho79 October 30th  is release schedual for 8.1
[02:09] <asho79> nbiracer: yep, thanks. I just found that too. I thought it was sooner. Is there major problems with intrepid at the moment? I'm thinking of trying out the unstable version for now
[02:10] <nblracer> well if your having a problem with 8.04 i dought 8.1 will fix it
[02:12] <asho79> nbiracer: I thinking if I did a fresh install it might work, or I might try 8.04 fresh install, not 8.04.1
[02:13] <Hobbsee> asho79: no idea.  i haven't run hardy, except for about half an hour, in *months*
[02:21] <asho79> is 8.1 alpha 6 for x86?
[02:22] <hansin> asho79: I have 8.10 ruynning on x86.
[02:23] <MrKennie> bearing in mind that it is a known issue upstream, should I still add a bug report for "GPE storm detected" message?
[02:23] <MrKennie> having said that, I've not checked if there's any already.
[02:25] <hansin> Does anyone know if Network Manager and/or WICD front-end to wpa_supplicant for WPA support?  The reason I ask is because my Atheros WiFi switch from using MadWifi to the ath5k driver.  I was able to make my WiFi work by switching wap_supplicant to use the wext driver instead of madwifi (-Dwext vs. -Dmadwifi).  So anyway, I was curious if the WiFI GUI apps front-ended this.  Thanks.
[02:38] <MrKennie> bug reported already, nm.
[03:06] <Lofde_> is there anyway to request status on a bug?
[03:07] <Lofde_> here is the bug :( https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-gnome2/+bug/273015
[03:18] <Hobbsee> hm
[03:18] <Hobbsee> bug #249505
[03:20] <DanaG> ugh, I keep getting dropouts in PulseAudio, now that I'm back on my non-backup computer.
[03:21] <DanaG> drop.  drop.  drop.  drop.  drop.  drop.  drop.  drop.  drop.  drop.
[04:18] <DasEi1> is there a getting started/changelog for ibex ?
[04:20] <mneptok> DasEi1: no, as it has not been released.
[04:21] <DasEi1> ok,mneptok
[04:36] <DBO> ping ping ping RAOF my lovely austrailian friend
[04:36] <DasEi1> boa, just installed ibex an running update&-grade >>more then 800mb, oo
[04:44] <DasEi1> ua, 50kb/s server  muharr
[05:05] <DasEi1> mm, ufw enabled by default, nice
[05:08] <kallu> suspend to ram and disk are not working .. anyone having same problem or its only me
[05:20] <emet> !info linux
[05:30] <Lofde_> hi i need some help if anyone might be able to assist
[05:32] <mn> lofde_ | !anyone
[05:32] <mn> !anyone | lofde_
[05:41] <Lofde_> well
[05:41] <Lofde_> the upgrade to 8.10 didnt go so well
[05:41] <Lofde_> and now i cannot install gnome
[05:41] <Lofde_> gnome: Depends: system-config-printer (>= 1.0.0) which is a virtual package.
[05:41] <DanaG> ARGH!
[05:41] <DanaG> This audio skipping is supremely irritating.
[05:41] <Lofde_> i did have gnome before... but somehow it got removed and yea..
[05:42] <Lofde_> i am using kde right now, but for some reason the windows are missing the minimize, resize, close heh.. enlightenment has those but, its not my windows manager of choice..
[05:43] <Lofde_> i feel like if i could install gnome, if i could force apt-get to ignore the dep. for system-config printer then i could probably have everything working a lot better
[05:45] <Lofde_> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-gnome2/+bug/273015
[05:45] <Lofde_> WOO HOO
[05:45] <Lofde_> thats awesome it changed from low, confirmed to high :D
[05:45] <Lofde_> maybe ill be in luck ! here soon :)
[06:27] <Lofde_> hi all
[06:27] <Lofde_> this has been an interesting day
[06:28] <Locker`> raining day
[06:28] <Lofde_> not rainy here.. all day 70 deg, sunny
[06:28] <Lofde_> but i wish i could say this upgrade to 8.10 was as sunny
[06:29] <airtonix> will 8.10 have latest openobex compiled in it?
[06:29] <Lofde_> is there a way, that i can do some "upgrade" process to force ubuntu to download any packages that it didnt download and install from the upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 , like simple things got missed somehow like gnome and such any command i can type
[06:31] <DasEi1> Lofde:sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:31] <DasEi1> Lofde_:sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[06:38] <Lofde_> DasEi1,  if i am already running 8.10
[06:38] <Lofde_> ?
[06:40] <avis> anyone having any issues getting music playback on banshee and/or amarok ?   doesn't seem to play for me
[06:40] <Lofde_> avis issue here playing music through audacious
[06:40] <Lofde_> but other audio works out of vlc
[06:40] <crimsun> avis: you're probably hitting the S32_LE bug that we fixed
[06:40] <avis> how is it fixed crimsun ?
[06:41] <DasEi1> Lofde_:sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade ,,its same
[06:41] <crimsun> avis: we reverted upstream's patch for said bug.  Which $arch are you running?
[06:41] <avis> oddly if i hoover over an audio file with totem, it'll play, if i try and launch totem, wont play
[06:41] <avis> i am using 32 bit i have the proposed repo added so hopefully i'll get it soon then
[06:41] <crimsun> avis: install http://www.themuso.id.au/ubuntu/alsa-plugins/libasound2-plugins_1.0.17-0ubuntu4~test1_i386.deb
[06:41] <Lofde_> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-gnome2/+bug/273015/+login anyone know the status of this bug ?
[06:42] <avis> ooh.  thank you
[06:42] <crimsun> avis: afterward, nuke ~/.pulse* and log out of GNOME and back in
[06:42] <avis> ok
[06:43] <Lofde_> i wish i could find Pedro Fragoso  he would be much help :)
[06:45] <avis> nope that didn't do it.  i realize its to be expected though.  thank you for trying crimsun
[06:47] <crimsun> avis: what fails?
[06:47] <avis> i'm not entirely sure.  just no playback in banshee or amarok
[06:48] <crimsun> please open System> Preferences> Sound and tell me what settings are chosen in the Devices tab
[06:48] <Linux_Galore> just tried the latest daily on my machine with a P45 chipset, disk boots but when it tries to load the desktop nothing
[06:49] <avis> crimsun, autodetect of all of them, sound capture using alsa, default mixer is alsa pco cmedia pci with master selected in the white field below mixer
[06:49] <avis> default mixer is alsa pcm
[06:50] <crimsun> avis: in Sound Events/Sound playback, what is the result of clicking Test?
[06:50] <avis> no sound.  its weird, i'm going to check my cables.  its too odd
[06:51] <avis> crimsun, oddly my cables are fine.
[06:51] <crimsun> avis: okay, and do you have any custom asoundrc(s)?
[06:51] <crimsun> check for the existence of /etc/asound.conf and/or ~/.asoundrc*
[06:51] <avis> i get sound when i try totem when i hoover over an audiofile.  totem however will crash trying to launch one
[06:51] <avis> no custom asoundrc's
[06:53] <crimsun> avis: ok, in a Terminal, please try this command:  speaker-test -c2
[06:54] <avis> crimsun, i'm oddly not hearing sound using that test.
[06:55] <crimsun> avis: what did speaker-test say was the Playback device?
[06:55] <crimsun> e.g., on mine:  Playback device is default
[06:56] <avis> same as on lime, stream is 48000hz, s16_le it says, 2 channels
[06:56] <avis> same as mine
[06:58] <crimsun> avis: ok, let's check the mixer.  Please pastebin the output from:  amixer -c0
[07:00] <avis> here you go crimsun http://www.pastebin.ca/1212104
[07:01] <crimsun> (sec)
[07:05] <crimsun> avis: interesting that you have 'IEC958 Output' unmuted
[07:06] <crimsun> avis: let's try a different approach.  Please try:  asoundconf set-pulseaudio
[07:06] <crimsun> avis: afterward, please retry the speaker-test
[07:06] <avis> yes.  i did that just to try something since it wasn't working i enabled that toggle to troubleshoot (i think i did that) still did not work
[07:06] <avis> will try.  thank you so much.  trying
[07:07] <avis> still no output from speaker test
[07:08] <crimsun> please mute all the IEC958* elements
[07:08] <avis> something different must have happened though.  i dont get audio from mouse over audio file.  i will unmute those
[07:08] <crimsun> ...unmute?  why?  they're already unmuted.
[07:09] <avis> well i deselected them.  i thought that was what you meant
[07:09] <avis> should 3d control switch be selected ?
[07:13] <avis> i do not see a mute/umute switch for those.  i only see select/deselect toggles.  i have deselected them
[07:13] <avis> oh you want me to mute them, ok. well, it wont let me.  they aren't appearing
[07:14] <crimsun> avis: is `paplay /usr/share/hwtest/data/audio_playback.wav' audible?
[07:15] <avis> nope
[07:15] <avis> i'm going to double check my audio cables.  i checked once, i will make super sure this time.  my guess is that they are ok
[07:16] <avis> audio cables are ok
[07:18] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I figured out something about my PulseAudio dropouts....
[07:18] <DanaG> they only happen on my Audigy2 card.
[07:19] <DanaG> It might be the surround upmixing making it drop out.
[07:19] <crimsun> avis: can you install pavucontrol and double-check that the volumes are not zeroed and set correctly?
[07:19] <avis> yes have that installed but will check
[07:20] <avis> crimsun, they are muted.  for some reason they will not unmute.  it shows 0.00db for both front left and right and i'm able to decrease that value, but the speaker has a red mute button
[07:21] <crimsun> avis: can you take screenshots for the Playback and Output Devices tabs?
[07:21] <avis> sure
[07:22] <crimsun> DanaG: that's your USB one, correct?
[07:25] <Reed_Solomon> latest firefox update doesn't let me use the arrows/reload buttons. is this a known issue?
[07:30] <Hew> Reed_Solomon: Works for me.
[07:34] <avis> sent the url to my screenshot in PM crimsun.  keep in mind that you asked me to nuke ~/.pulse
[07:37] <Reed_Solomon> hew, ok. odd then.
[07:37] <Reed_Solomon> my bookmarks dont show up either
[07:37] <Reed_Solomon> ill try backing it up to another directory then
[07:37] <Hew> Reed_Solomon: Have you only just updated firefox? If so, have you restarted it?
[07:37] <Reed_Solomon> yah that works
[07:38] <Reed_Solomon> nah i restarted the whole system
[07:38] <Reed_Solomon> since i updated
[07:38] <Reed_Solomon> still odd
[07:41] <Reed_Solomon> oh well no harm no foul
[07:44] <DanaG> grr, iwl3945 just randomly disabled the interrupt of the device.
[07:45] <DanaG> That was way random.  I had to unload and reload the module to get wifi back.
[07:45] <crimsun> that's common for most Intel wifi firmware
[07:45] <crimsun> it seems to be less common with 49xx
[08:06] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi all, is gnome-power-manager broken for all in intrepid or just for me?
[08:10]  * DanaG reboots...
[08:10] <DanaG> for new kernel.
[08:11]  * DanaG does not like Intel wifi.
[08:13] <Le-Chuck_ITA> DanaG: are you having problems with iwl3945 on 2.6.27-4?
[08:14] <DanaG> Yeah, earlier the device just randomly decided to disable its interrupt, for no apparent reason.
[08:14] <DanaG> Linux GLaDOS 2.6.27-3-generic #1 SMP Wed Sep 10 16:02:00 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:15]  * DanaG is still on -3 at the moment.
[08:20] <Le-Chuck_ITA> DanaG: in -3 my connection is slow, in -4 it often blocks
[08:21] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am using qos_enable=true as a module argument ... but also in hardy network connection is incredibly slow and laggy
[08:24] <Oli``> Eek my mouse stopped working =\
[08:27] <Oli``> It's not showing up on lsusb... Any idea what might cause that?
[08:29] <DanaG> iwl3945 driver really does suck.
[08:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> DanaG: yes but in feisty it worked decently
[08:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> do you confirm this?
[08:31] <DanaG> I don't remember it ever working particularly well.
[08:31] <DanaG> ipw3945 worked better, in my opinion.
[08:31] <DanaG> ... and even b43 works better, sometimes.
[08:31] <Oli``> Argl. Not even my wired mouse is working.
[08:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> what's b43?
[08:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ah ok
[08:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> new deskbar finally works well, but... where is tracker integration?
[08:51] <DanaG> Odd... firefox can't comprehend http://http://2001:4de0:aaac:0:2456::2
[08:51] <DanaG> er
[08:51] <DanaG> http://2001:4de0:aaac:0:2456::2
[08:51] <DanaG> it's ipv6.
[08:57] <pen> is it safe to dist-upgrade from 8.04 now?
[08:59] <Oli``> Well I've got no working mouse at the moment, so I'm going to say no.
[08:59] <Oli``> I'll amend that this is the first really bad bug I've had so far
[09:05] <Teisei> pen: My system is working just fine, so I say yes
[09:07] <pen> Teisei, cool
[09:07] <pen> Teisei, so it boots like normal?
[09:07] <pen> Teisei, does it install the latest nvidia driver?
[09:08] <Teisei> pen: I have Geforece 8800 GT on my desktop and it works fine too
[09:08] <Teisei> I can play the games I want :)
[09:08] <pen> Teisei, in ubuntu?
[09:08] <Hew> pen: Intrepid is still alpha. If you need Ubuntu to be stable, do not upgrade.
[09:09] <pen> true
[09:09] <pen> ok, maybe I will wait for a few more weeks
[09:09] <Hew> pen: If you are willing and able to put up with instability and wish to help with testing, then feel free to dist-upgrade :-)
[09:09] <pen> Hew, no thanks, but I will install it on an external hdd
[09:09] <Hew> pen: The beta will be out Oct 2. Maybe that will be a better time to upgrade
[09:10] <pen> Hew, k
[09:10] <zniavre> hello where are the config file for displayconfig ?
[09:10] <zniavre> are/is*
[09:10] <DanaG> Oh yeah, also: watch out for breakage of Intel Gigabit Ethernet adapters.
[09:10] <DanaG> Why is that not in the topic of this channel?
[09:11] <Teisei> pen: Ubuntu 8.10
[09:12] <pen> DanaG, probably because no one here have Intel Gigabit Ethernet adapters?
[09:12] <DanaG> Well, it's a pretty durn big issue -- the e1000e driver had to be disabled due to risk of permanent hardware damage.
[09:14] <DanaG> Putting it in the channel would help let people know to expect the Intel NICs not to work until the driver is fixed.
[09:14]  * DanaG goes off to bed:
[09:14] <DanaG> Sat Sep 27 01:14:54 PDT 2008
[09:15] <DanaG> Yeah... well past time.
[09:46] <kulight> any one know a solution or a workaround the throttling/scaling of cpu on AMD x64
[09:46] <kulight> bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/262066
[09:47] <kulight> and its dupe: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263412
[10:13] <kahrytan> So, will Intrepid have a crap colored theme ?
[10:14] <kulight> its not that bad as i thought it would from the screenshots
[10:15] <kulight> any way it is not the default
[10:15] <kahrytan> Dark Colored Themes NEVER work out. If Intrepid uses one, it will spell decline in users for Ubuntu.
[10:16] <kahrytan> On top of that, Dark colored themes are harder on the eyes.
[10:16] <kulight> genraly i agree with you
[10:16] <kahrytan> Most websites use white background so when you visit websites, it's like have a spot light sign directly in your eyes.
[10:17] <kahrytan> shine*
[10:17] <kulight> but im trying it now and they done pretty good
[10:17] <kahrytan> If dark theme is on there at final, theme is first package that gets removed.
[10:18] <Jimm-> kahrytan, I think its just the alpha1 that had a dark theme
[10:18] <kahrytan> Alpha6 has it too
[10:18] <kulight> it is not defaolt
[10:18] <Jimm-> kahrytan, and you know you can change colors right?
[10:18] <kahrytan> well duh
[10:19] <kahrytan> oops. One screenshot tour for alpha 6 had dark. Softpedia has normal human
[10:21] <kahrytan> http://blog.masslive.com/linkfarm/2008/09/new_ubuntu_theme_actually_look.html
[10:21] <Oli``> kahrytan: actually, dark themes (eg light text on dark backgrounds) are considered by the vast majority of usability experts to be a lot easier on the eyes
[10:22] <Oli``> I'd punch a load of research links in your general direction... if my mouse worked
[10:22] <kahrytan> Oli``»  In what craphole did you hear that?
[10:22] <kahrytan> Oli``» It always hurts my eyes
[10:23] <kahrytan> I hate spotlights shinning in my eyes
[10:24] <Oli``> kahrytan: I'm a webdev. We have to do a lot of usability... So that "craphole" would be the computer usability collective.
[10:24] <kahrytan> And in what craphole is that collective?
[10:25] <Hobbsee> kahrytan: try following the Code of Conduct, please.
[10:27] <kahrytan> already am. not insulting anyone
[10:27] <Oli``> kahrytan: it's to do with eye strain. You say that light-on-dark is like a spotlight? Well to people with more sensitive eyes, dark-on-light is like staring at some text placed in front of the sun. If it's really an issue for you perhaps improving your monitor might improve things
[10:27] <Oli``> I'm sorry if you don't believe me, but it's really not my job to convince you that I'm right.
[10:28] <kahrytan> Oli``»  and yet you don't provide links.
[10:28] <Oli``> I've got no mouse.
[10:28] <kahrytan> You need to cite things to win
[10:28] <Hobbsee> kahrytan: try being nice.
[10:28] <Oli``> kahrytan: as do you.
[10:29] <Hobbsee> kahrytan: providing links without a mouse is *hard*.  have you tried it recently?
[10:29] <kahrytan> Hobbsee»  I am.
[10:29] <Hobbsee> kahrytan: then apparently you're failing.  Please try harder.
[10:29] <Oli``> You've managed to cite just as much as me. "Oh I don't like it" doesn't quite cut it as an in-depth usability study
[10:29] <kahrytan> Hobbsee»  and you are being insulting to me.
[10:29] <Oli``> Oh dear.
[10:30] <Hobbsee> kahrytan: I remind you one final time:  please obey the code of conduct, including being respectful, and you will have a long time in this channel.  If you do not follow the CoC, you may be out of here quicker than you hoped.  You know how this works.
[10:30] <kahrytan> Oli``»  Use tab key to cycle though links.
[10:30] <kahrytan> Oli``»  gotta go. I need to discuss a few things in -ops.
[10:31] <Hobbsee> http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum116/48.htm looks interesting, too
[10:31] <Oli``> Yeah I'm doing that - but to look for ways to fix my USB, not convince you one way or the other. It's out there, just a google away if you're genuinely interested in finding out more
[10:31] <Hobbsee> Oli``: he's gone
[10:33] <Oli``> No complaints here =)
[10:33] <Oli``> Unless, of course, he holds the secrets to unlocking my mouse.
[10:33] <Oli``> Time to see if a restart fixes things. Stranger things have happened.
[10:34] <Oli``> Oh yeah, in syslog I'm getting a LOT of "EH complete" messages. I've no idea what they are... Any ideas?
[10:35] <Hobbsee> none, sorry :)
[10:35] <Oli``> Righto back in a tick
[10:47] <Oli``> Unlimited mouse power!
[10:49] <Hobbsee> \o/
[11:09] <airtonix> bankai mouse?
[11:52] <Tm_T> hail my young padawans
[11:55] <mnemoc> hi, there is any tool to render a new xorg.conf considering what one is running on a given moment? (xrandr choices, etc..)
[11:59] <mnemoc> btw, radeon + xrandr -s 1280x800    looks much better than fglrx use to :D
[12:18] <regel> is there an orange theme for 8.10?
[12:26] <TuTUXG> bug 263555
[12:26] <TuTUXG> @@
[12:37] <nblracer> me again :)
[12:37] <edp> nblracer, yelo
[12:37] <nblracer> another minor bug that most likly hardware specific
[12:38] <nblracer> the screen does not turn off when closed
[12:39] <nblracer> i did some test, and found out that cat /proc/acpi/button/lid/LID/state does register it correctly
[12:39] <edp> nblracer, did you try to fix it?
[12:41] <nblracer> acpi_listen  however does not see it
[12:42] <nblracer> and the hal listen does not see the lid closed
[12:42] <nblracer> edp: i dont know how i should go about it to fix it
[12:43] <Linux_Galore> anyone know how to get intrepid alpha 6 to not freez when it sees my HD4850 card
[12:43] <regel> hide it?
[12:43] <edp> Linux_Galore, you have to blacklist it
[12:44] <Linux_Galore> intrepid boots, I get the install menu, then select lets say the install, it then seems to load some things then the screen goes blank and stays there
[12:44] <nblracer> i googled it a bit and found similar errors, but nothing quite the same
[12:45] <nblracer> look in consol why it stops while it loades up
[12:45] <Linux_Galore> this is with a P45 mobo and a HD4850 card
[12:45] <regel> Linux_Galore: alternate innstall?
[12:45] <Linux_Galore> regel: desk and alternate both freez
[12:51] <Linux_Galore> it always freezes about 10 seconds after I select install or try to run the live desktop
[12:54] <Linux_Galore> is there a way to hide the boot graphics so i can see at what point the install is failing ?
[12:54] <mnemoc> ctrl-alt-f2?
[12:54] <Linux_Galore> this is after the first selection menu right after the language question
[12:56] <Linux_Galore> let me try
[12:56] <Linux_Galore> bbl
[13:12] <mnemoc> yup... I can't get gdm honoring my de layout... but the session does
[13:12] <mnemoc> s/yup/yuck/
[13:28] <nblracer> i'm so bad with bash :(
[13:28] <mnemoc> i'm pretty good with bash, but i stink on xorg :-\
[13:30] <plagerism> I just did an upgrade and now one of my monitor's edid was not detected upon reboot. Video Card: GeForce 8800, driver: 177.76.  Anyone else experience this issue?
[13:31] <mnemoc> plagerism: tons of people in the forum :)
[13:31] <plagerism> It appears to only be my acer monitor, even if I switch them around (DFP-1 -> DFP-0) the same monitor is still undetected
[13:31] <plagerism> mnemoc, I get very lost in the forum
[13:31] <mnemoc> plagerism: just reset your xorg.conf
[13:32] <plagerism> I see this in the log though (WW) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Unable to read EDID for display device DFP-1
[13:32] <plagerism> I will try resetting it
[13:33] <mnemoc> let xorg 7.4 use it's magic
[13:33] <plagerism> brb
[13:34] <iddo> im trying to install alsa from source, but the old version seems to stay... help?
[13:35] <mnemoc> tried removing it?
[13:35] <iddo> it asks to remove ubuntu-desktop if i try
[13:35] <iddo> so i didnt
[13:35] <iddo> should i?
[13:41] <DeFi> cant wait for Intrepid
[13:41] <DeFi> :)
[13:49] <mnemoc> considering how hard it will be to maintain 8.04 i guess ubuntu guy will really want us to switch to 8.10 :p
[13:49] <mnemoc> guys*
[14:30] <iddo> which java plugin is better to install? sun-java6-plugin or icedtea-gcjwebplugin
[14:38] <plagerism> Ahh so this line in the nvidia 177.76-0ubuntu1 changelog "Added a workaround for broken EDIDs provided by some Acer
[14:38] <plagerism>       AL1512 monitors."  Would leave me to believe that this has broken my Acer monitor. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-177
[14:38] <plagerism> Is that nvidias bug?
[14:39] <TuTUXG> probably
[14:42] <TuTUXG> gnome 2.4 detached gnome-font-viewer from gnome-control-center
[14:44] <TuTUXG> 2.24*
[14:50] <Teisei> Woohoo ! Pulseaudio finally works with Skype ... at least for me :D
[14:50] <Teisei> Specifically the recording part
[14:52] <TuTUXG> skype can record?
[14:55] <TuTUXG> if you have both gnome and kde4 installed(like me), gnome-screensaver will fail to start the plasma screensaver, you have to manually change the path
[15:16] <jeroen-> I have a (MSI) Nvidea (NX)6200AX - I now use the Nvidea driver v177 as recommended by Jockey - is v173 not more stable? So is it better to use v173 to use with older Nvidea chipsets?
[15:17] <TuTUXG> 177.76 is the beta driver
[15:17] <TuTUXG> 173 is the stable one
[15:17] <TuTUXG> for your card, use either one shouldn't make alot of different
[15:18] <jeroen-> TuTUXG: ok, thanks - to be 100% sure I will switch to 173
[15:18] <TuTUXG> if it works
[15:19] <jeroen-> TuTUXG: allhough Jockey still gives v177 as recommended, shouldn't that be fixed?
[15:19] <TuTUXG> i think it just picks the newer one
[15:19] <jeroen-> TuTUXG: well my monitor is doing sometines strange, maybe its the monitor, but I want to be sure
[15:20] <jeroen-> ok thanks TuTUXG
[15:20] <TuTUXG> what kind of strange?
[15:20] <TuTUXG> u can switch to 173 and test, or u can even try 169
[15:23] <jeroen-> TuTUXG: my screen sometimes gets smaller on left and right
[15:26] <TuTUXG> jeroen-, that's wired, im not sure what the problem is, but you can try to use different drivers
[15:42] <perillux> I'm using intrepid and everytime I log in I have 2 problems.  I don't see my trash applet anymore, and I get a crash report about "scim-bridge"
[15:44] <TuTUXG> i got those two
[15:44] <TuTUXG> apparently scim is still buggy now
[15:45] <perillux> ok, thanks
[15:48] <perillux> oh I also forgot to mention this.
[15:48] <perillux> I'm having some major problems with some flash applications
[15:48] <perillux> anyone else experiencing this?
[15:49] <perillux> like the boxes that display little music players or even adds, they flicker rapidly and parts get cut off it's really weird.
[16:53] <iddo> epiphany-extension-gwget: Depends: epiphany-gecko (< 2.23) but 2.24.0.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[16:53] <iddo> how can i install it then?
[16:55] <case^> hi
[16:55] <case^> where is the chanelog?
[16:55] <case^> change*
[16:55] <crimsun> case^: for...?
[16:55] <case^> alpha 5 to 6
[16:55] <WeeJay> Hi guys!  My sprint card works great on Hardy Heron but I am running Intrepid ibex and the kernel does not identify the card.  Is it possible for me to run the kernel from hardy on intrepid?
[16:56] <crimsun> case^: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/intrepid-changes/; see August and September
[16:56] <crimsun> WeeJay: sure, but things may break.
[16:57] <WeeJay> crimsun: would I have to install a lot of dependencies to get the older kernel working or would it as simple as downloading just the kernel + header deb package?
[16:57] <crimsun> WeeJay: the latter, usually, because you already have newer versions of dependencies
[16:58] <WeeJay> Good! Well its worth a shot.  Any word on if there is a kernel update in the pipe line for Intrepid?
[16:58] <WeeJay> By the way alpha6 works great for me! I have been using it for couple of weeks and no issues at all.
[17:00] <crimsun> WeeJay: highly likely judging from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid.git;a=summary
[17:03] <WeeJay> crimsun: do you think I should submit a bug report for the missing WWAN card support in the Intrepid kernel?
[17:05] <crimsun> iddo: I can't tell from reading gwget's svn commits whether the current version supports epiphany 2.24
[17:06] <iddo> hmm
[17:06] <crimsun> iddo: AFAICS, it only supports up to 2.22
[17:07] <crimsun> iddo: if in fact it does support 2.24 with no source changes, you can rebuild the source package
[17:11] <nuts> !skype intrepid ibex
[17:11] <nuts> !skype intrepid
[17:11] <nuts> :/
[17:11] <nuts> !skype
[17:14] <emet> does intrepid use event scripts?
[17:14] <emet> for upstart
[17:19] <crimsun> emet: not yet.
[17:23] <emet> that's two years of upstart being included in Ubuntu but not really used :o
[17:24] <Chousuke> It's not a trivial change :p
[17:24] <Chousuke> they got rid of inittab though :(
[17:25] <emet> I think Mark hinted that proper use of upstart might be one of the pillars of the next version
[17:25] <emet> 9.04 I mean
[17:36] <darthanubis> I was hoping Upstart would be tight by now
[17:54] <dr3mro> hey i want the repositories of intrepid ibex any help ?????
[17:56] <crimsun> dr3mro: please clarify
[17:56] <rinaldi_> hi, im trying to install the alpha 6 and i'm getting an error in the livecd. It goes to a busybox prompt and then gives me repeated errors of "buffer I/O error on device sr0 [xxxxxxxx]. I know there was a bug for alpha 5 for this but apparently it's ok in 6. any ideas?
[17:58] <dr3mro> i need the repositories of intrepid ibex plz crimsun
[18:00] <crimsun> dr3mro: they're identical to hardy's, save the string "hardy" is replaced with "intrepid"
[18:01] <dr3mro> crimsun, thnx
[18:06] <mohbana> hi, i'd like to get hibernate/suspend working, any ideas?
[18:11] <skyjumper> has anyone seen keyboard weirdness in intrepid? specifically with vmware?
[18:12] <mohbana> hi, i'd like to get hibernate/suspend working, any ideas?
[18:12] <skyjumper> mohbana: don't repeat
[18:22] <Teisei> Hi ! My ALSA stopped working a few days ago. In sound settings when I try to switch to ALSA it gives the following error:
[18:22] <Teisei> audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not get/set settings from/on resource.
[18:23] <Teisei> And pulse audio doesn't work well for Skype
[18:24] <Teisei> And for Capture part:
[18:24] <Teisei> gconfaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat: Could not get/set settings from/on resource.
[18:24] <Teisei> Any ideas how to fix this ?
[18:25] <skyjumper> if pulseaudio isn't loaded, alsa should work fine
[18:25] <skyjumper> otherwise it's likely a driver issue
[18:26] <Teisei> Hmm
[18:26] <Teisei> skyjumper: So should I remove pulseaudio or what ?
[18:26] <skyjumper> no, you should kill it and see if alsa works then
[18:26] <Teisei> Ok, I'll try that
[18:28] <Teisei> Hooray !
[18:28] <Teisei> Thank you so so so much, skyjumper !
[18:29] <crimsun> Teisei: were you using the pulse pcm+ctl asoundrc?
[18:29] <crimsun> if so, you need a newer libasound2-plugins
[18:29] <Teisei> crimsun: Where do I get it if I needed it ?
[18:29] <crimsun> Teisei: for which $arch?
[18:30] <Teisei> crimsun: Generic or something ?
[18:30] <Teisei> If you mean that
[18:30] <crimsun> Teisei: no.  i386 or amd64.
[18:30] <Teisei> i386 I suppose
[18:30] <crimsun> Teisei: http://www.themuso.id.au/ubuntu/alsa-plugins/libasound2-plugins_1.0.17-0ubuntu4~test1_i386.deb
[18:31] <Teisei> crimsun: Thank you
[18:48] <skyjumper> upgraded from hardy yesterday... policykit doesn't think my user is an admin
[18:48] <skyjumper> the user is in the admin group
[18:48] <skyjumper> (worked in hardy)
[19:09] <marshall> hey guys
[19:10] <marshall> my laptop audio is pretty messed right now, I changed some pulse audio settings and did a bunch of crazy stuff, is there a way to completely reset all my sound settings to defaults? right now my laptop keys control mic volume
[19:14] <skyjumper> marshall: you can forcibly remove the pulseaudio packages, including removing config files, and reinstall
[19:14] <skyjumper> but if you're asking, then you probably shouldn't dare anyway
[19:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi there
[19:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I want to know if deskbar-tracker integration is broken for a reason or is it just my setup
[19:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> does it work for you all?
[19:22] <Le-Chuck_ITA> deskbar has become robust and stable in intrepid
[19:36] <[g2]> anyone know if the Intel Pro/1000 bug in Alpha 6 is fixed in the daily build for x64 ?  TIA
[19:39] <td123> you mean that bug that overwrote the firmware?
[19:40] <Unksi> i heard that theres a fix in the -mm branch of the kernel, so it might be coming soon
[19:40] <mnemoc> $ ps aux | grep apport
[19:40] <mnemoc> amery    28979 81.8  1.0  14348 10708 ?        RN   20:39   0:36 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/apport/apport 7190 11 0
[19:40] <Unksi> (is not in ubuntu yet^)
[19:40] <mnemoc> ^--- this is niiiiiice :D
[19:41] <Lofde_> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-gnome2/+bug/273015/
[19:41] <[g2]> td123: I sounded nasty... there was big bold red letters on the alpha download page
[19:42] <td123> g2: my hardware isn't affected so :P
[19:42] <td123> g2: I run it under a vm
[19:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> td123: what do you run under a vm?
[19:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I have the same bug of course
[19:43] <[g2]> td123: I was going to run it native :( I don't want to blow out my server's LAN port :)
[19:43] <Lofde_> I cant install gnome ;( heh because of bug 273015 , and my kde doesnt have any minimize maximize or close buttons ;(
[19:45] <td123> Le-Chuck_ITA: ubuntu alpha 6
[19:45] <td123> Lofde_: lxde for you, i suggest
[19:45] <Lofde_> if i download the daily build does anyone think that i could use that to do a "repair install" and install from the cd over my current setup and not loose my home dir and configurations ?
[19:45] <Le-Chuck_ITA> does libdeskbar-tracker work for anybody?
[19:46] <Lofde_> td123,  enlightenment was working correctly, i just want to use my original DE gnome
[19:48] <Lofde_> if i have had a Core 2 Duo    that has EMT64, but i have always used the 32x version of ubuntu, if i get the cd and try to repair upgrade to 64bit does anyone think there will be much issue ;)
[19:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I don't think so Lofde_
[19:48] <Le-Chuck_ITA> so I think there won't be issues :)
[19:49] <Le-Chuck_ITA> bye all
[19:50] <skyjumper> Lofde_: it's probably easier to save a copy of your package list, home directory, and whatever other settings, and reinstall
[19:51] <nblracer> can some one help me debug thjis lid.sh
[19:51] <nblracer> i suck at bash
[19:52] <td123> nblracer: nothing a short google search for "bash scripting" can't help :P
[19:52]  * BHSPitLappy bashes nblracer 
[19:53] <nblracer> yea that what i'm using now
[19:53] <td123> nblracer: find a better one then
[19:54] <Lofde_> skyjumper,  whats an easy way to save a copy of your package list
[19:54] <td123> nblracer: here you go http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
[19:54] <td123> nblracer: all you ever wanted to know or will not want to know about bash scripting :P
[19:55] <Lofde_> does the live DVD contain just more packages or something between the live DVD and the live cd?
[19:56] <td123> Lofde_: yes
[19:56] <skyjumper> Lofde_: you'll have to script something
[19:57] <td123> Lofde_: if you have a fast connection, you should always go with the cd imo
[19:57] <Lofde_> oh ok, i guess its not that big of a deal i like sometimes just scrolling through synaptic and installing whatever looked cool, didnt really ever use half the stuff anyway
[19:57] <Lofde_> td123 because you can just apt-get install everything from there ?
[19:57] <skyjumper> Lofde_: echo $(ls -1 /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | cut -b 20- | cut -d . -f 1) >package_list
[19:58] <skyjumper> then sudo apt-get install $(cat package_list)
[19:58] <skyjumper> but you'll probably run into some packages not existing on x64, and will have to modify the list
[19:58] <Lofde_> oh boy this isnt going to somehow rm -rf /home/* is it :P
[19:58] <skyjumper> heh well if you don't already know what that does, don't do it
[19:59] <td123> Lofde_: exactly, just apt-get install everything
[19:59] <td123> Lofde_: just remember the packages you use and just install them when you reinstall
[20:00] <[g2]> skyjumper: nice cmdline work :)
[20:00] <skyjumper> [g2]: that'd be better piping through sed than cut, but whatever
[20:01] <[g2]> skyjumper: it gets the job done :)
[20:02] <[g2]> I've often wanted to do that exact thing, but haven't taken the time to do it
[20:05] <kulight> any one know a solution or a workaround the throttling/scaling of cpu on AMD x64
[20:05] <kulight> bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/262066
[20:05] <kulight> and its dupe: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263412
[20:07] <Lofde_> that script worked thanks skyjumper
[20:10] <nblracer> i'm done playing with bash, just crashed the system
[20:11] <kulight> any one ?
[20:11] <Lofde_> ok i just made a tar , and if i want to   compress it more and make it a tar.bz whats that command again ?
[20:11] <Lofde_> whats up kulight  , nblracer
[20:14] <kulight> all good except 8.10 is very slow
[20:15] <nblracer> fine over here
[20:15] <kulight> can you see my previous posts ?
[20:15] <b3nw> I tried Xubuntu Alpha 6 and got this error -> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/56629/apt_error.png  is this a known issue?
[20:16] <nblracer> running compiz on an old laptop 512mb ram 3.06ghz
[20:16] <nblracer> b3nw: did you check the cd?
[20:16] <kulight> it looks like a bad cd
[20:17] <b3nw> ok, let me run the cd check
[20:17] <Lofde_> kulight,  nope
[20:17] <kulight> nblracer: are u using x64 or x32?
[20:18] <nblracer> 32
[20:18] <nblracer> it is an old p4 mobile
[20:19] <kulight> any one know a solution or a workaround the throttling/scaling of cpu on AMD x64
[20:19] <kulight> bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/262066and its dupe: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263412
[20:19]  * DanaG has an old laptop around here that uses a P4-based Celeron... which is exactly the opposite of what you'd want in a laptop.
[20:19] <kulight> nblracer: im using x64
[20:20] <DanaG> P4 is hot and inefficient.... so it's crap; Celeron is a cut-down version of whatever it's based on, with the power management features removed, so it's crap; a P4-based Celeron.... that's crap².
[20:20] <Lofde_> kulight,  what actual cpu do you have?
[20:21] <kulight> i have a HP 6715s with AMD Turion 1.8 x2
[20:21] <Lofde_> DanaG,  i remember those old P4 systems, like a 2.6 ghz P4, would be SMOKED by a CPU that was 1.6Ghz but Centrino because it had 2 MB of l2 cache and the p4 ususally had like 256k of cache ;))
[20:22] <nblracer> kulight: have you tried something like this sudo cpufreq-selector -f 80000
[20:22] <kulight> its some kind of a bug that no one know how to solve
[20:22] <Lofde_> wow this is odd, ive tried to download the 64-bit PC (AMD64) desktop CD 3 times now, each time it stops downloading at 6% 44.6 mb
[20:23] <nblracer> Lofde_:  different mirror?
[20:23] <DanaG> This one is a 1.6 P4-Celeron.
[20:23] <DanaG> =þ
[20:23] <Lofde_> nblracer,  i dont see a listing for different mirrors on this ubuntu page ill look
[20:23] <kulight> i have tried the gui version of that scaling stack at 800MHz
[20:24] <Lofde_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-6/  anyone have a different mirror
[20:24] <DanaG> I also have an Athlon XP-M 1400 (1200MHz) laptop around here... and it smokes the P4 one... except when the sucky VIA chipset causes hard-lockups.
[20:25] <Lofde_> what can you type into terminal to get your cpu info ...
[20:25] <DanaG> Oh yeah, that's one thing that irks me... there's no Linux equivalent of the Windows CPU-Z.
[20:26] <DanaG> CPU-Z tells you not only the name, but also the core name (such as Northwood), the socket type (such as "Socket 478 mPGA", the type of memory, and such.
[20:26] <kulight> im using hardinfo
[20:26] <kulight> its the best i found on linux
[20:27] <DanaG> stupid iwl3945... it's being slow and sucky, when I'm running torrents.
[20:27] <kulight> or lshw
[20:28] <DanaG> I'd switch to wired, but I don't want to risk damage to my e1000e NIC.
[20:29] <markf_> i have also intel 3945
[20:29] <markf_> no probs
[20:29] <kulight> DanaG: that bug is the worst kind virus :)
[20:32] <Lofde_> this is what hardinfo said about my machine -Processors-Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU         T7200  @ 2.00GHz
[20:34] <nblracer> can some one help me understand why my monitor does not turn of when lid is close
[20:34] <nblracer> cat /proc/acpi/button/lid/*/state
[20:35] <nblracer> reterns the correct status
[20:35] <kulight> check the power manager options
[20:35] <DanaG> That's odd.... on my system, no matter what OS I'm in (or even at the BIOS screen), closing the lid turns off the screen... in hardware.
[20:37] <Lofde_> will someone please go and try to download the ISO from the ubuntu site
[20:37] <nblracer> get the torrent Lofde_
[20:37] <Lofde_> and see if it pauses at 6% download for them too, i have redownloaded this thing like 5 times and i think it cant be me.. i even changed directories
[20:38] <Lofde_> nblracer,  i will, i guess but i would like to see if someone else is having the same issue
[20:38] <nblracer> find another mirro
[20:38] <Lofde_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-6/
[20:38] <Lofde_> the AMD 64bit version of the live cd
[20:39] <Lofde_> the only thing i am worried about is downloading something from a torrent thats outdated and get like the alpha 4 or something lol
[20:39] <Lofde_> http://www.mininova.org/tor/1828850  0 seeds 0 leechers heh (interipid amd 64)
[20:39] <DanaG> wget -c
[20:39] <Teisei> Is there a way to make the top and bottom side of the Compiz desktop cube transparent without making it use "transparent picture" file ?
[20:40] <Teisei> I use 100 by 100 pixel size transparent picture to make the transparency
[20:40] <nblracer> what does CheckPolicy in lid.sh do?
[20:40] <kulight> yes there is a slider for opacity some where i dont remeber ecxacly
[20:41] <DanaG> cubeaddons.
[20:41] <Lofde_> ill try that danag
[20:41] <DanaG> To set colors of top and bottom.
[20:41] <kulight> i get the image downloading prety fast
[20:42] <DanaG> The only annoying thing: if you remove top and bottom pic, it adds them back.  I had to add /dev/null as an image to use.
[20:42] <DanaG> I don't know if that's been fixed since the last time I tried, though.
[20:42] <mazzen> are any sound problems reported for the current 8.10 snapshot? something like "Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument" when using totem?
[20:43] <Lofde_> kulight,  keep downloading mine always pauses at 6% for the amd 64 live cd
[20:43] <Lofde_> it stops at like 44.6 mb
[20:43] <DanaG> aah, name of cubeaddons is now the reflection and deformation.
[20:45] <kulight> im alredy at 40%
[20:45] <Teisei> DanaG: What do you have to change from there to make it transparent ?
[20:45] <Teisei> I dropped the drawing of top and bottom face
[20:45] <Teisei> And selected transparent colors
[20:46] <kulight> go to desktop cube press on the caps color dialog and make the color transperant
[20:46] <Lofde_> anyone thing it could be possible that someone could write some software to sort of "emulate" a DSL router, so a person could take a regular phone cable, plug into the phone wall, that has a dsl filter, and then someone plug the other end into their laptop in the modem (again someone having programmed a software/hardware driver configuration for PPPoE ect) to allow them to get online through dsl ?
[20:47] <Lofde_> kulight,  even using WGET -C http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-6/intrepid-desktop-amd64.iso  my WGET stopped after 6% :(
[20:47] <kulight> 60%
[20:48] <kulight> i think ill stop it
[20:48] <kulight> i dont know whats wrong
[20:49] <mazzen> Lofde_: i think that the current nm-applet hat that feature. or do i miss something?
[20:50] <Lofde_> kulight,  you did the 64 amd iso ? thats so weird
[20:50] <kulight> yes
[20:50] <Teisei> kulight: The color change works, but not its transparency
[20:50] <DanaG> Odd.
[20:51] <Teisei> So if I choose red color, and full transparency, cube caps will be bright red
[20:51] <DanaG> Wait, do you want it entirely transparent?
[20:51] <Teisei> Fully or half transparent
[20:51] <Teisei> Any ideas ?
[20:51] <DanaG> As in, not visible at all?  That's simple... go to "Behavior" and uncheck "draw top"
[20:51] <Teisei> Unchecked
[20:51] <Teisei> The color is visible
[20:52] <DanaG> Hmm, try restarting compiz.
[20:52] <Teisei> Tried 5 times
[20:52] <DanaG> Really weird.
[20:52] <DanaG> Wait, is the plugin itself enabled?
[20:52] <Teisei> Of course
[20:53] <Teisei> Changing things from here work so
[20:53] <Lofde_> the torrent is downloading, and going mighty fast actually kulight  thanks for testing
[20:55] <nblracer> ok lid.sh works
[20:55] <nblracer> it is gnome-power-manager that is not
[20:55] <lucazade> hi all
[20:56] <lucazade> is there a way to override mouse settings in xorg.conf
[20:56] <lucazade> like the old xorg 7.3
[20:56] <nblracer> is there a better advance power management GUI for gnome
[20:57] <lucazade> i need a working third button :))
[20:58] <lucazade> anyone?
[20:59] <nblracer> i dont know
[20:59] <lucazade> i can't help u too :)
[21:02] <Lofde_> weird the dvd iso amd 64 is downloading past 44.6mb , but for some reason for me the iso for the live CD amd 64 wouldnt, so odd
[21:03] <DanaG> odd... the cube cap settings really are not working.
[21:04] <kulight> enable cube caps then in behavior remove draw top face and draw bottom face
[21:04] <DanaG> YEah, I did that too, to check... it doesn't work.
[21:04] <DanaG> It must be a bug.
[21:04] <kulight> ive just tested that and it worked
[21:04] <DanaG> Odd... not for me.
[21:05] <nblracer> where is the setting? i will test it to0
[21:05] <kulight> cube caps
[21:08] <lucazade> Beginning with Intrepid, input device configuration is done through HAL rather than in your xorg.conf
[21:08] <nblracer> mine is under cube refelection btw
[21:08] <lucazade> found by myself
[21:11] <EvilDaemon> What's the RSS feed reader (graphical) for Ubuntu?
[21:15] <rom1v> hi
[21:15] <rom1v> what will be the default theme in intrepid?
[21:17] <EvilDaemon> human clearlooks?
[21:17] <EvilDaemon> or human
[21:18] <rom1v> the dark one? (brown)?
[21:18] <astraljava> EvilDaemon: If you're really wanting to use development versions of Ubuntu, I'd strongly encourage you to learn some usage of CLI. With that experience, you could easily find out, like this: `apt-cache search rss reader`
[21:20] <slavik> what version of KDE does kubuntu-desktop depend on?
[21:21] <jtechidna> slavik: 4.1.1
[21:22] <slavik> ty
[21:24] <nblracer> DanaG:  and kulight i cant get it work
[21:25] <nblracer> i always get squares the same color of the cube on the caps
[21:26] <nblracer> need a reboot
[21:26] <nblracer> brb
[21:38] <lod__> hi, i was using hardy and just upgraded to intrepid, but can't start compiz. my card is ati 1250, dkms compiles fglrx, but no 3d
[21:38] <lod__> and some stupid question, but why can't install xorg-driver-fglrx?
[21:39] <mazzen> as it is not compatible with the current X server
[21:39] <mazzen> we have to wait for good driver from ati
[21:39] <lod__> :'(
[21:40] <lod__> and one other Q. i'm using both kde and gnome
[21:40] <lod__> and knetworkmanager is running along gnome networkmanager
[21:40] <lod__> can't just be one of them like in hardy
[21:42] <mazzen> drop one of them
[21:42] <EvilDaemon> I like gnome over kubuntu, but that's my flavor.
[21:43] <DanaG> «yay, random bracket characters»
[21:43] <mazzen> lod__: if one of them still works, whether you are using "the other" desktop environment ... it's ok, of?
[21:45] <osh_> Is Ibex safe now or how do I find out if I have a vulnerable network card?
[21:46] <lod__> well, I like them both, but knetworkmanager suits better to kde, and gnome net. resp. to gnome. vise versa is also ok, but it's bugging me to see them both running, and can't do anything about.
[21:47] <lod__> don't know how to stop gnome networkmanager in kde
[21:47] <DanaG> hmm, look in .config/autostart
[21:47] <DanaG> there may be a way to define one as for kde only, and the other as for gnome only.
[21:47] <mazzen> lod__: sry, i haven't touched kde for years :-/
[21:48] <lod__> well, befor the new networkmanager (0.7) there was.
[21:48] <bobesponja> I think kde and gnome both use the same networkmanager backend mazzen, they just use different GUIs
[21:48] <lod__> yes
[21:48] <lod__> but why the both gui starts
[21:48] <bobesponja> just close the gui and remove it from .config/autostart
[21:49] <DanaG> But that'd remove it from both!
[21:50] <DanaG> If you want one to be gnome only and one to be kde only, there may be a way to do that.
[21:51] <Lofde_> DanaG,  Thanks for suggesting WGET -C , i was still having issues downloading the AMD64.iso, but if i keep re-entering the command, it resumes from where it left off which is nice so i can actually download it heh
[21:51] <mazzen> btw: 'new-human' is the new ubuntu-theme, isn't? i searchled launchpad for this "project", but didn't find it. i think the blue coloured links on grey background, should be declared as a bug, and changed to something nicer.
[21:54] <mazzen> does anyone know, where i can send my wish?
[21:54] <DanaG> Lofde_: oh yeah, does it actually quit when it fails?  If it does, you can try "watch" on the command to make it run repeatedly.
[21:54] <DanaG> watch wget -C whatever
[21:54] <Lofde_> DanaG,  no it doesnt quit when it stops, i have to hit ctrl-c and then restart it
[21:55] <DanaG> Dang.
[21:55] <Lofde_> heh atleast its downloading
[21:55] <Lofde_> im happy
[22:00] <Rotlaus> Can someon play the 'Zimbra Overview' Flash Video on zimbra.com? Is it a bug or  bad web page?
[22:01] <Denise> no bug nor bad web page here
[22:02] <Rotlaus> You can play the flash video?
[22:02] <Rotlaus> Doesn't work for me. Standard Intrepid+Firefox+Flash10 here
[22:09] <mazzen> Denise: was that related to me?
[22:09] <Denise> yes
[22:10] <Denise> i run it and it goes very well
[22:13] <mazzen> Denise: i like the theme too, but *that* blue... it looks strange to me... :-/ http://www.imgimg.de/uploads/ubuntuthemebluelink90634408jpg.jpg
[22:13] <Denise> I m talking about zimbra
[22:14] <mazzen> as, so it was not me
[22:14] <Denise> sorry
[22:14] <Denise> I m agaisnt dealing online
[22:15] <Denise> I mean gambling
[22:16] <mazzen> huh?
[22:16] <ackstorm> me too, becuase they don't get to bring you drinks when you're online
[22:17] <Denise> yes
[22:17] <Denise> and I like to eat chips when I play casino
[22:19] <Denise> you lost me there
[22:19] <mazzen> :) i was taking a spam mail, instant of a private one :) and the blue links on white ground are ok. on the grey, it looks unbeautifully
[22:21] <Denise> white is nice color
[22:45] <MDC__> does xserver-xorg-video-[ati|radeonhd] provide 3D support for R600 in ibex?
[23:01] <MDC__> or does the fglrx driver works with kernel 2.6.27 and Xorg 7.5?
[23:11] <Delvien> is there a way to run hardy on the x.x.27 kernel ?
[23:12] <Delvien> haro?
[23:16] <crimsun> Delvien: yes.
[23:23] <Delvien> crimsun do you happen to have sources i can put in my sources.list to make this happen? cant seem to find a good on online
[23:24] <crimsun> it's identical to the main,restricted one for all Ubuntu releases.  just change the hardy to intrepid.
[23:24] <Delvien> kk ty
[23:24] <crimsun> of course, I don't condone doing so, and you get to keep all the broken pieces.
[23:24] <crimsun> (that said, it does tend to work more often than it shatters horridly)
[23:25] <Delvien> Im just installing to test the sata fix
[23:25] <Delvien> the current kernel is horribly bugged for my box
[23:25] <crimsun> you should try using a current daily-live image, then
[23:25] <Delvien> ?
[23:25] <Delvien> Lost me there
[23:26] <crimsun> use an intrepid milestone live cd, aka desktop cd.
[23:26] <crimsun> e.g., alpha 6
[23:27] <crimsun> (or use one that's rebuilt daily, hence called daily-live)
[23:27] <Delvien> I just want to install the .27 kernel to my existing setup, thats it
[23:27] <Delvien> i dont want to test the entire new release
[23:28] <Delvien> if thats what you are saying
[23:28] <crimsun> sure
[23:29] <Delvien> :(
[23:29] <crimsun> do what you wish ;)
[23:29] <Delvien> Well if it doesnt boot, then i just switch back to a previous kernel.
[23:29] <Delvien> But the liveCD would have the new kernel on, and i can install from those packages, correct?
[23:32] <Denise> good
[23:33] <Delvien> sigh
[23:37] <Denise> bye
[23:43] <DanaG> Heh, about the ethernet corruption thing, and the now (rightly) disabled module...
[23:43] <DanaG> It's always a good idea to have some sort of spare wired NIC around.
[23:44] <DanaG> It could be USB, or PCI, or Cardbus (or ExpressCard).
[23:47] <milosz> yo guise
[23:47] <milosz> following problem poses itself:
[23:47] <milosz> i have no sound when not being root
[23:47] <milosz> is this currently known (i assume), and what is the fix?
[23:47] <grego> with recent kernels (2.6.27) i can't boot with usb device (modem ) plugged in, if it's unplugged before boot and plugged after it works. How i can track what's going on? Is anyone familiar with this issue?
[23:50] <RAOF> milosz: Your problem isn't common as far as I'm aware; it sounds like a local configuration issue.
[23:50] <crimsun> Delvien: yes, you could.
[23:50] <Delvien> thanks
[23:50] <RAOF> grego: Have you filed a bug?  If you have, it'd be really useful for you to find the first kernel that fails (if possible).
[23:51] <crimsun> ah, grego has been bitten by bus enumeration nondeterminism.  hooray.
[23:52] <crimsun> milosz: please give us more detail.
[23:52] <milosz> ok
[23:52] <crimsun> just as you likely wouldn't want a doctor troubleshooting blindly...
[23:52] <milosz> crimsun, i can't run any mixer application as non-root (neither alsamixer nor aumix (for OSS) work)
[23:52] <milosz> yeah of course, sorry
[23:52] <milosz> even as root, alsamixer doesn't work
[23:52] <milosz> but i can run OSS mixers
[23:53] <crimsun> milosz: please run the alsa-info.sh script referenced from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[23:53] <milosz> sound in most apps works only using OSS as well
[23:53] <milosz> and sound in Flash doesn't work at all (i assume it can not use OSS)
[23:54] <crimsun> (Flash can use OSS, yes.)
[23:55] <grego> @RAOF it started with first kernel from 2.6.27 series latest working is 2.6.26-5-generic
[23:55] <grego> tried to recompile kernel with confing from working one but it doesnt help
[23:56] <milosz> crdlb, http://privatepaste.com/ff09vPB9pp
[23:57] <milosz> well if it can use OSS it doesn't work in any case
[23:57] <milosz> erm, crimsun ^
[23:57] <RAOF> grego: crimsun seems to have some idea of what's wrong, whereas I can only offer "if you've got (lots of) time, run a git-bisect on the ubuntu kernel".
[23:58] <grego> o_O git-bisect? it sounds bad
[23:59] <DanaG> Oh yeah, /me goes to see if using simple stereo with the Audigy2 still gives PulseAudio dropouts...
[23:59] <RAOF> grego: Basically, it's "rebuild the kernel over and over until you find the single commit which broke it"
[23:59] <grego> actually, i tried something like that..